Hour 4: From Sherman to Skynet | 04-08-26

The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel. Entertaining and informative. On the Red Apple Podcast Network. Everybody Lionel with you with us. This is The Other Side of Midnight. This is the fourth final hour and I normally, normally find that a particular subject kind of wears thin. but I cannot tell you enough how I am so impressed and so fascinated by your take on this subject. I mean that. And the reason why it is simple. I love certain things to look at it from almost an anthropological point of view. And I find your, well, your take the most interesting, the most fascinating, because we talk about this all the time. And also, there's nothing better. And let me rephrase this. I love when somebody tells me the way a war, the way a military action is effectuated. And when you say this, we have a lot of people, as you know, who are, well, how do I say this? Some people are a little bit, they're not the deepest of thinkers. I'm sorry, I don't know how to say this. and they interpret any type of criticism as to the strategy, as to the means by which war is enacted, they look at it as though somehow you're being, well, as though you're being negative or you're being un-American or somehow, you know what I'm talking about. you've seen these folks before. It's kind of how they are. And I love, I'm sorry, I don't like war. I don't want anything about war. I don't think it's a good, I think it's bad. What was it? War is something that's, what was the expression of the 60s? War is negative or disadvantageous to small animals or whatever. But I like when somebody comes along and he says, I'm going to do something a little bit different. And in the world of warfare, there were folks who came along and they had some different takes on it. And one of them was the idea of General Patton. And Patton was the one who took the idea of the armor service. And this was something that was kind of brand new. And he made it his own. He made it his own. He was something else. And despite what you think about Patton in terms of George C. Scott, the individual himself showed a prowess that was the most fascinating. This was the guy who was a genius. And he was so good. And for all practical purposes, a waste of flesh in real life. He married very exceedingly rich people, women. He had lived in the incredible wealth, polo and horses, and he was just incredible. But what he did was he thought to himself, you know what I'm going to do here? I don't understand why I should just sit around and wait. Kind of just wait as this, you know, this tank. I'm going to go after people. And he started to move and he chased people and he completely redefined, reinvented this notion of warfare. And you look at it now and you think, well, that kind of makes sense to me. But at the time, it was considered genius. Curtis LeMay, Curtis LeMay, who came up with this, I'm going to bomb you into the Stone Age. Remember that Curtis LeMay, Curtis LeMay, who was the Strategic Air Command and all types of things. Yeah, remember he had Bell's palsy and he always had a cigar in his mouth. He later ran for president along with George Wallace in the Green Party, Curtis LeMay. And he said, why do we fly these wonderful bombers? Like, let's turn them into like dive bombers. I don't know if it was the B-19, the B-whatever. I don't want to mistake it. But the point is, he revamped the way they delivered this. General Sherman, oh my God. Civil War. He said, if I make war as horrible as possible, it will not be something people would ever want to do again. And then came the other subsidiary theories such like mutual assured destruction and mad. And then there were others as well. George Marshall, George Catlett Marshall, probably one of the greatest, the greatest military minds in Americans, Nobel Prize, Secretary of State, the Marshall Plan. He's probably my hero, my absolute hero. Had and had a countenance about him and a respect people had. When he was originally started as a young officer, he was in General Pershing's outfit or whatever it was, or not outfit. And Pershing, Black Jack Pershing, by the way, one of two, one of two six-star generals. General of the Army's. General of the Army is five-star. General of the Armies is six. The other one was posthumously George Washington in 1976. Anyway, what he did was, when he was a young officer, here was Pershing. And he went and he said, I want to ask you a question. Sir, you're not answering my question. And Pershing said, that is all. And he walks out and, and, and, and Marshall grabbed him. that's like grabbing a made man or a boss of the mob is like you're dead you're finished you're through they said you're done they looked at me said that's it you're finished not only did did did personally respect him but he was i think he was marshall was the best man at his wedding or something they were the closest anyway those people were geniuses and by the way they're not doing push-ups and pull-ups. They were so badass. There is a picture of these generals sitting around. I wish I could. It's just oh my God. I think it's Hap Arnold. It's Doolittle. It's everybody. I think all the five stars. But Omar Bradley, Patton, Ike. Incredible. Just incredible. And World War II brought them out and they were just such respect for them. And then we have General Zhukov, the Russian. Genius. Brutal. You do not want to go up against him. He is just one of the greatest generals ever. His idea was, I'll get the job done. This showed a tenacity. There is a, I'm sorry, there is an elegance and there is a beauty in war which sounds oxymoronic, it sounds contrary, it's a genius. And the one that I think of them all that I think is so interesting is General Jap. I'm pronouncing it perhaps incorrectly, but this is the Vietnamese, he lived to be 102 or 103, little guy. Badass like you cannot believe. And he, along with Ho Chi Minh, said, we're going to show you guerrilla warfare. and they laughed at him. He said, you just don't have, you don't understand who we are. And his line was, his famous line, he says, grab your enemy by the belt. Pull him in. Pull him in hard so they can't shoot themselves. They can't call artillery in. Move in and then take off. Some people in Vietnam said they never saw the enemy. Never. They might have seen a booby trap or they might have seen some remnant. It was a war nobody had ever seen. They used conventional war and it is just, so there is something about the beauty, I'm sorry to say this, about something which is so terrible, not to mention the Naval Halsey and Nimitz, and oh my God, geniuses, and how they fought. And remember one thing which is important. Remember one thing which is important. And if there's one thing that history taught us, If you push somebody far enough, no matter who they are, they will throw caution to the wind. Japanese knew they're not going to beat the United States. They knew this, but they had to. So what happens is you take politics, you take history, and you take strategy. You take the best minds there are, and you ask yourself before you engage in anything, I don't want to involve myself in any kind of military action. just for political reasons. I don't want to play soldier. I want to listen to the people who say, where are we going? Where is this place? What is the terrain? What's the weather? What's the equipment? What are the logistics? How many do we need? All this. There are people who just, that's all they do is they think about this. And it's unfortunate. It's terrible. I think in the long run, we'll find out it's humanistic. It's unnecessary, but it's beautiful. There's a genius to it. It's orchestrated. It's balletic. It's the way people. Remember the old, who was it? Sherman. I'm not Sherman. U.S. Grant. Actually born Hiram, but Ulysses S. Grant. Drunk like you can't believe. Raging alcoholic. Roaring alcoholic. And you know the old line they went to Lincoln. They said he's an alcoholic. He said, well, find out what he drinks and send the case of it to all my generals. He showed an ability. He showed an ability nobody's ever seen before. And this was, and I'll never forget, somebody said one time, if there could have been one device, one instrument in the Civil War that would have changed everything, what would it be? What? Artillery, aircraft? No, walkie-talkie. Just to be able to talk to people. and to walk how that war was. The bullets, the rounds. Remember when they would, I think it was Shelby Foote, they said that when they would go to the various battlegrounds. I remember Matthew Brady here in New York. He would go there, and in order to raise money for the effort, people could go and watch the war. They would show up like a parade ground, and they would commence the war. Antietam is still the bloodiest thing anybody's ever seen. But anyway, but Shelby Foote said that when they would go, they did battlefield amputations and oh my God. But when they found these corpses, the bodies, their shirts were ripped open, ripped. And they said they didn't know why. Why were their shirts, their blouses, as they call them, ripped? It turns out that the wounds were so horrific because they were not even sometimes rifled, these basically musket balls. It was so horrible that they would lose an arm or a leg and they would rip their shirt up to see where they were hit, how bad they were. They think maybe the final number might have been 600,000 more. It's just beyond horrible. wave after wave after wave. That's it. That's the way it was done. And if you stop, if you talk to any of those people, why are you doing this? Would they have said slavery? No. Would they have said Lincoln? No. It's because my brother's here, my father's here, my family here Was it romantic I don know if it was romantic But it was a different And how about oh my God Appomattox The whole notion of the gentleman. Remember these, remember Lee and I think both were at West Point. Lee was the first in his class. And when he showed up, he got there early at the home of this, whatever, Braddock, whatever his name was. Anyway, Appomattox. and he was in his best uniform, crisp, waiting, waiting. He had his, what was his horse? Traveler or whatever his name was. And all of a sudden here comes U.S. Grant on his horse, dirty, probably drunk, but dirty, battle, dusty. He gets off his horse. He told everybody, he said, any cat calls, I will imprison you. When Lee shows up, nobody, nobody, no hoots, no hollers, no cat calls, no nothing. but respect. And they even had this one fellow one time, I forget what the story was, it was a Confederate, a Confederate soldier who broke through and was charging towards, this could be a bit embellished, a bit apocryphal, anyway, he was charging towards S. Grant, U.S. Grant, and he looked and he said, this guy's going to kill me or what, maybe some crazed Confederate who didn't get the memo. and he stopped and they tipped the head. There was that provision out of respect where the horse tips his head. You put your stirrup out with a sword. I mean, the honor that they had. And they gave everybody back their rifles and said, go home, it's over with. And out of that horror came this, I hate to say it, this bloody, horrible pageantry. This respect. It's oxymoronic. The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel on the Red Apple Podcast Network. Up next, it's Brett Flair and his new band. Oh, my God, I'm back again. On that casino, everybody's been. Gonna bring new games, gonna show you now. New game party. Find new... Dropping hits every week. Find the new slots. On Beck, Beck Casino tonight. 18plusbgamblerware.org. That's right. It's The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel. All right, Elina with you. 800-848-9222. We are discussing, unlike other, I don't want to get into the politics. Who's right? Who's wrong? No, no. I'm talking about this. And so far, by the way, your calls have been splendid. The intellectual, the sociological, the behavioral connective tissue of war. Let's go back to the phones, back to the fun. Let's go to Tom in Chicago. You're on the other side of midnight with Lionel. Yeah, Lionel, I was thinking like you were saying earlier, where do we get this mentality from? Like boxing, you know, or something like boxing. You strategize and it's barbaric one-on-one. And the mindset of the boxer, he got to strategize and, you know, Is it barbaric? Well, yeah. Think about it. I got my fist, as you say. I got my fist. If I pound my fist into your face, I can beat you. You see what I'm saying? We love it. But here's the thing, though. You're right about that. But aside from that, my favorite was, I think, maybe the initial part of this was Ancient Greece with wrestling. Right. Did you know that wrestling was nude? Now listen to this. And these are the Greeks, too. I saw, you know, they gave up a lot of interesting stuff. And they had, how do I say this on a family show? In the middle of the night, sometimes men will become, dare I say, excited. So they would have to tie down or render inoperative certain appendages and accoutrement. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that would have a tremendous effect in terms of me wanting to be disinclined, to want to wrestle you. If I'm standing there and you're coming at me and you're happy to see me, I'm going to say, you know what? Not this one. I give up. I'm done. That's it. I'm done. That's right. I throw in the card. Thank you. Thank you very much. But the next step up from that was, while I'm rolling around with you, let me try slapping you around. It just makes sense. Well, think about this. Think about the mindset of the guy who got the hard-on for you. That's crazy. Well, he was. That's crazy. He want to beat you. And he's happy about that. And he's happy. Now, let me also say something. Have you noticed? What do you think of folks who love to talk about UFC and this brutality, this, I hear it all the time. Sometimes I like Joe Rogan a lot and he'll talk about John Jones, who is the greatest UFC and blah, blah, blah. Well, you do it too. You do it too. Wrestling, when wrestling come on, you just get excited, man. You just go crazy. Here's the story. Here's the story. I don't want to see wrestling or wrestling, as you say. I don't want to see that. that is not even that's the least of my concern I want the theater of it that's what I want I never want that other people what you see when you was watching it he was getting excited like oh yeah oh you know why because I want to see the character I want to see this guy come out and act like a fool and yes the wrestling has nothing to do with it it almost has nothing to do with it let me ask you this question while we're on the subject There was this Ronda Rousey and others. Some people said it is barbaric. They said, in fact, Dana White one time said, I'm not going to have women fighting each other and beating each other to a pulp. And I said, I may understand that. But why is that? And I love the idea of somebody said, listen to this. Listen, I don't mind if Tom from Chicago is in a coma. I don't care. But if Thomasina is in a fight, I don't want to see that. Why do I have this, again, I keep saying atavistic, this whatever this developmental evolutionary distaste for seeing a woman fighting? Why? I don't care one way or the other. Well, would you say when Playboy has the football and a lingerie football, Would you watch that? Well, you know what? If they had that, why don't you just say, forget the football. Why don't you just cut to the chase? You know, what are you doing? But here's the thing, though. What if you had, I just, I guess one of the things is when you have these weird boundaries. When Jack Johnson came out, I thought this was the funniest. when Jack Johnson said, I'm going to come on, I'm going to beat up white people. And they said, oh, no, you don't. He's, oh, yes, I am. That was beyond. Here's this guy dating white women, man act. I mean, this is crazy. Then we got into regular sports, just plain old sports, you know, baseball, whatever it was. That's kind of mild. Football, oh, absolutely warlike. Like, warm aboard. And you've heard the George Carlin thing. But football, though, here is a game. Imagine this. All right, Tom, bend over. What? Bend over. Now, here, take this ball. I'm going to put my hands between your legs. Now, hand me that ball between your legs. I got your ball. Okay. And then somebody said, this is not my idea, but to show you how tough, This guy coming out wearing silk, blows a whistle, prances out, and tosses down his hanky, and everybody stops. What is this? What are we doing? But, you know, I'm not a footballer. I'm not a sports person either. I just, I don't, we put too much emphasis on it. But I'm going to go back to the boxing part. That mindset of that boxer is turned on. Now, you meet this boxer on the street and confront this guy. He can't turn that off. Yeah. And it goes like with us, with war. We're, like we say, a superpower, you know. We can't turn it off. We have to say, okay, I'm going to bully that guy. I'm going to force him to do this. Right. Why? Because I can. Well, there's also something interesting, which I find nobody really wants to address this. And I say it very gingerly. There's something about people who say, why I like this. This is masculine. This is a very masculine endeavor. So really? Yes. I said, well, you know, I don't want to go into like jujitsu and things like that. So, you know, I don't want to do it because I don't want to roll around on a mat 30 past the hour with some guy. I don't know, some dude. and I'm putting my head between his legs and knees, and I don't want to smell his armpits. I just don't want to do it. I am not interested. Now, if I have to know how to do it, okay, maybe. But for fun, I'm going to join a dojo or something so I can roll around the mat with some guy. I don't want to do that. Now, they said, here's the best part. I am considered less masculine because I don't want to roll around with men on the floor. Now, you tell me how that makes sense. I don't get it. I don't get any of this stuff. Well, they consider Donald Trump very masculine in his power moves. Well, what's not to consider masculine? That's what I was saying. What's the thing? The thing is, he's not beating nobody. He's just saying something like, go to war. He's not going to war himself. You know, he is like... But don't you put it this way. If you are going to go to war, don't you want somebody who has a certain degree of certitude? For example, you don't want to have the president say, look, you go to war, you go to war. Do the best you can and hope for the best. Wait a minute, what? Wait a minute, what? That's not the support we want. No, not like that. Let me tell you what I would do. Here's my story. I would be the first person to say, okay, listen, watch what we do. I'm not going to tell you folks. but I've got to buy. I hired every nerd I could from every, from I got a family. I'm going to turn off. I know how to hack their power. Watch this. I'm not going to drop a bomb. I'm just going to turn it off. I'm just going to turn. Now that's no fun. That's, that doesn't sound great. That don't sound. That don't sound. No, no. Yeah. Imagine when you have like John Wayne and you bring in somebody with a, You used to have a pen protector, some weird guy who doesn't say, he says, I'll take care of this. I'll jam the system. I'm going to use AI to send people the wrong way. Or, you know, that's what I want to do. But that's not it. I sit back and I look at this and I ask myself, what is it? How much of what you do do you do? because deep down in the core of your genes somewhere some trait which led as a positive trait for the perpetuation of the species some aggression, something or other. How much of what you today do applies to that? Well, think about this. As you got with animals, in order to mate, they got to show masculinity. They got to show I'm big at any neck. And we as humans do the exact same thing. women love love all this is for women women love somebody who's masculine like able to protect so they go after that guy they love that you know and we do that with everybody want to come to america why because we we can protect we can we can do that we we got this thing in us like oh man i'm the biggest and the baddest and that goes if you sifle that down that goes in society you know You get these guys, and you're considered a wimp, and next thing you know, women attracted to bad boys. Right. You know, all the time. You know what's funny you say that? After 9-11, remember, the NYPD blue, NYPD, the cops, New York cops, homicide, Kojak, Crocker, you know, everybody was a crook. Right. Okay, after 9-11, guess who the heroes were? Firemen. Firemen. And everybody wanted their daughter to marry a fireman. Now, here's something kind of interesting. Going back to this again, this is, again, I have these thought experiments. I'm sitting around with God one night, and God says, let me show you some things which I did, which I think are terrific. Let me show you some mating rituals. I was in a weird way. I was kind of crazy. I don't know. But I came up with this. Watch this poor, this is about some, you ever see these poor birds? They got to fluff up their feathers. They do all these dances. And the woman, the woman, the female says, uh-huh, eh, looks plain. In order to be camouflaged, because you know the peacock and the peahead. This poor peacock, he's got 20 pounds of feathers. He says, what the hell am I doing with this? I hate this. It's heavy. I open it up. If I get wet, it takes forever to dry. I look like I'm just like a sitting duck. Nobody wants me. So anyway, so this guy gets horny. So what is he going to do? Okay. Hey, sister, over here. Hey, look at me. I'm shaking my head. And she's like this. Uh-huh. Okay. Now, who is superior? The woman. The woman. That's what I say. Everything is done for the woman. Think about it. Every car you buy, you don't buy. Oh, I bought this for the family. No, you bought it because the woman. To get attracted. Sports cars. All that is for the woman. I think, Tom, I think we're learning a lot about you. And by the way, let me ask you something. What does the woman do to attract the man? She just stands there. She just stands there. That's an easy job. All right, Tom. Thank you, my friend. All right, sir. Let's go back to the phone. Let's back to the phone. Anthony in Mississippi. You're on the other side of Midnight with Lionel. Thank you for taking the call there, Lionel. Yes, sir. Let me ask you to consider this. Now, there was a war in heaven, according to the word of God. Now, Satan rebelled out of jealousy towards God, and God cast Satan out of heaven, down to the earth. Now, the devil being a serpent down on the earth, influenced Cain to kill his brother Abel. You sure that was the devil or that wasn't something else? But go ahead, I'll play along. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, the devil influenced Cain. Whatever you say, sir. Whatever you say. Okay, got jealous of his brother Abel, and therefore he killed his brother. Okay, all right. So I think that when we find ourselves as human beings on the earth in various types of situations throughout life, whether it's because somebody one person is jealous of another because they don't have this that that another person has they become envious jealous various human emotions that is sometimes why we enter into wars whether it's with one another or with nations that may very well be and that's an interesting take, or it can be something even simpler. I want what you have. I'm going to get it. Or I don't like what you're doing. Or you've taken something from me. Or strategically, it might be better for you to be, let's say, out of the way. And I'm going to use something pretextual. Remember, always go back and look at the theories, the ideology behind neoconservatism and Leo Strauss. It's a fascinating idea. And people often use the term neocon as somebody merely who just wants war. That's not what it means. It may very well involve that, but that's not what it means. We'll talk about that perhaps for another day. Chris on Long Island. You're on the other side of midnight with Lionel. Hi, Lionel. How are you doing? Good, sir. It sounds you're covering a lot of ground. Yes, sir. And it's really interesting. I love military history. So many advancements in humankind has been achieved through military development, believe it or not. The first syringe was used on the battlefield in the Civil War. But going forward, because you had touched on, do animals have a soul? You know, when they kill something, the morality, there's no morality. Animals, it's inferred, and theologians have been arguing about that. Animals have a sentient being where human beings have a soul. But I want to go forward. I want to look forward. And I want to talk about, I can use an example. The F-35 fighter is developed as a force multiplier. That is its advancement. Explain that. Explain what that is. Absolutely. The pilot, the single pilot in an F-35 has the ability to control three to eight hypersonic, full-size military attack jet drone fighters. These are not just fighters that we have today. These are going to be fighters that we are developing now into tomorrow. hypersonic fighters hellfire fighters also the f-35 pilot has the ability to control certain cruise missiles that have a loitering capability in in that example the cruise missile that has the loitering capability which allows to orbit around the battle theater and then identify a target autonomously, and then it will feed that target back to central command for verification. Then that order will be sent to take that target out to the drone cruise missile. This is now. This is what we have now. But going just one little step with AI integration, I'm not even talking about robotics now. I'm just talking about drones. Just one little step. That means that in the near future, we'll see autonomous AI fighter squadrons loitering around battlefields. And there'll be one more step when we remove the human command and control and we set up technical dynamic guidelines that will dictate how that drone will operate in an attack mode. We hope. Against humans. We hope. We hope. We hope. Right? Right? We hope. And they will operate against human beings, human combatants. Okay. Now, what happened, because we've already seen videos, I mean, I hope you've seen them, of these Chinese robots that are, you know, they go haywire. And you're talking about, even though it's the size of maybe a 13-year-old child, you know, it weighs 120 pounds. And when something goes haywire at 120 pounds, it can hurt you. Yeah, that is true. So what will happen if you get an error code? And we're talking about AI that's crunching numbers at an astounding rate. And the code that they imply, impose into it, just one error can systematically. And let me also throw something into it. By the way, I appreciate the fact that I share with you a sense of awe over the technology, even though it's lethal, to be sure. Not because I love death, but I just like, just for purposes of just appreciating the technology and the genius, that's one thing. But here's one for you. Let's assume that, let's go to what Peter Thiel's doing with Palantir. Let's assume that it says, listen, we're not going to go out and we're not going to wait to be hit on or to be hit on or to be attacked. We have, for example, in this case, Chris, a series of pieces of data that we put into this metadata gumbo. And we found out based upon a lot of things like weather, social media, we know not only are there people who pose a threat to us in terms of weapons, but a people who ideologically pose a weapon, and we're going to, or a threat to us, and we're going to have you, we're going to have this, target those people. One of them is, for example, somebody who is a proponent of terroristic activities. This other person goes, and he's ruining the minds of students at universities, and he's publishing. We don't like him. And we've also targeted some people that we're not really sure about, but by virtue of these algorithms, We are told this is the person we want to get. This person is a physics professor. We're talking about interfacing actually two software technologies. Well, that's going on now. Right now. Yes. Predictive technology. Not only predictive technology. Active action technology. Not only predictive, but what if I were to say to you that I want to get every male over the age of 35 and it says, okay, we can do that. Now, it's not going to ask you why. It's just going to do it for you because of your algorithm. So what happens is, and remember, little by little, bit by bit, one of these days, remember what the first rule of AI is, recursive self-improvement. The first thing AI wants to do is to write its own code and get you out of the picture. And if we impose quantum computing into that. Forget it. Oh, my God. We're at a next level. I've heard engineers say that they can take your metadata without imposing any technology like hacking into your password. Right. And just through your metadata they can predict and calculate and determine your passwords Imagine that Remember when somebody said there was a I do not remember the name of the challenge or the math problem but there was something which would take people 20 septobillion years. You know, some ridiculous number we can't even understand. And it did it in like less than 30 seconds. Now, something along the lines. Now, let me stop there. I want to remove this back to my thought experiment, and I want to introduce you to God. And Chris says, God says, well, you must feel pretty proud of yourself, right? Yeah. So let me ask you something, Chris, with all of your technology. Is the world better or worse or more dangerous? What exactly have you accomplished? You ooh and ah almost, dare I say, seductively over this. What have you done? What is the net effect of this in terms of the world, of the balance sheet of humankind? And you can say, I have no idea. But it's cool. But it's cool, God. It's way cool. Yeah, exactly. If you impose a benevolent dynamic and force focus the technology on benevolent problems such as a cure for cancer. Yes. Because cancer is so diverse. You're not curing cancer across the spectrum. But you could with AI and using quantum computing. Yes. You could target multiple types of cancer within a spectrum and really solve it finally and really get rid of a scourge. Then when the great creator says, well, I know you're oohing and aahing, but what have you done? And I go, well, I cured cancer, which some will say is a devil's disease, you know, and and in a benevolent world. But benevolency is, you know, it's on high demand. Okay, let me go one step further. Okay. So God tells you, all right, I'll take you to the cancer. Good for you. But here's a problem I've noticed that you've been doing, Chris. First of all, you were extending. I noticed that you're doing a lot of Alzheimer's and stuff. Yeah, yeah. And you do know that I never intended man to live to be 80, 90 years old. What are you doing? And another one, too. You, too, Dr. Chris. I notice you're doing a lot of in vitro and a lot of women 40, 50 years old are having children. What the hell's the matter with you? This is not what I intended. And you say, well, what do you mean? No, I've got a purpose. You might not understand it. You might not like it. But I don't want organisms to live significantly longer than they have to. I want them to live long enough to support their offspring and then get the hell out of there. But here you come along with your fancy schmancy. And you can say, wait a minute. You can say, wait a minute. God, are you upset, God, that I'm extending? Yes. Because remember in the 70s, remember the chiffon commercial, margarine? It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. Where do you get off with this? I never intended. Well, that goes back to the Tower of Babel, believe it or not, where the Lord was not happy with the fact that the emperor built this tower. Yes, in order to meet God. How dare you? Right. Now, wait a minute. And that's all you're trying to do is build this tower? Now, here's my question also while we're on that subject. Imagine this poor guy. There's 10 of us, okay? All of a sudden, Zap, it's like, hey, what's going on? Mish guy. Hey, what are you talking about? Oh, you're Italian. I am, yeah. Where do you go? Italy. Where the hell is Italy? Somebody had to have lucked out and said, I'm going to maintain this language here. I like that. But if you are Japanese, where do you go? It's like, okay, I got to. You've got a long walk. And you've got to wait to run into somebody. Wait a minute. That sounds familiar. Hey, Jerry. Yes, finally, you know. Finally, I met you. And here's the question. Does your wife understand you? Yeah, this is true. Chris, I'm glad we had the time to discuss these imponderables, and I wish you a great day, sir. Thank you. Thank you for taking my call. Indeed, sir. All righty, 800-848-9222. Some of the most fascinating subjects that we have discussed, all thanks to you. The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel on the Red Apple Podcast Network. It on selected leagues and markets only. Pre-match and in-play bets on qualifying player outcome selections only. Decencies and exclusions apply. 18plus.com.au. The other side of midnight with Lionel. I think we're going to have time for one more call. I think it's Ruth in Chicago. go, Ruth, the other day, other side, other day, I'll put the other side of Midnight with Lionel. Try that. Yep, I'm calling from the other side of yesterday. You know, I'll follow the Bible wherever he wants to go, wherever he wants to go, wherever he wants to go. I'll follow the old man wherever he wants to go. Soldier boy. Well, you know, my name means friend of beauty. So that's quite interesting, which would be Ruth. Now, I called As opposed to Dave. Yes, I understand. Yes, thank you. I called what I wanted at the 4th hour for and the 4th of State. So I have to wait for that comment for another day. Indeed. Because I'm going with where you're lingering previously for this evening, this morning. Indeed. So I have a message from Libby Koster. they're buried not far from your city of new york you know she worked as a secretary for the decorative society in new york this is george armstrong custer's wife i have a message from george armstrong custer's wife libby custer uh-huh today's today's her birthday yes she She was born on April 8th, but she passed away on April 4th, four days before her April 8th birthday. But in this life, she was born in 1948. And so as the story goes. You mean 1848? No, she came back in 1948 in this life. She came back? Again, born again. How did that happen? Born again Christian. Okay. Reincarnation. Now, do we have, as far as where is General Custer buried, and is there anything left of him? Aha, he's at West Point. I've been there. Really? Actually, both of them are buried there side by side. So she was with the New York Society of Decorative in the 1800s. What is he decorative? What is that? Household items, decorative things. Okay. You know, she was the secretary there. That's like a wild group. Yeah. Two houses in New York, one in the Bronx. But anyway, aside from that, I wanted to give you a message from her. We can juxtaposition the ink spots with the song The Gypsies. And I'm not too sure that I've consulted a crystal ball for this message. I certainly don't do medium type of things, but I do remember past lives, interestingly enough. You remember past lives? Yes. What do you call your ability? Is there a name for it? What do you call it? Also. Been here before. Done it. Been here before. How many times have you been here? That I know specifically? Yes. The first time I knew it in this life was while I was paid for my own trip to Washington, my own prom. By the way, Frank Sinatra Jr. was performing at the London House where I went after my prom from St. Mary's High School. So, okay. Anyway, I'm at Mount Vernon, and I'm sitting overlooking the Potomac River. And I said to the person sitting next to me, a fellow student, I've lived here before. I know everything in George Washington's Mount Vernon home. I know the back staircases. I know the rooms. I've lived here before. And I could not explain it. In George Washington's home? Mount Vernon, right. And what do you think you would have been? Was this during his time or after he died, or you don't know when? No, I don't specifically know the time, whether it was. Did you ever find out how many people lived there? I mean, I would imagine it's not a lot. So wouldn't you be able to find out, because I'm sure they would have kept records, that one of those people— Oh, they've got a historical society. Yeah, but I'm saying, wouldn't you have been able to find out that one of those people was you? You figured out who you were? I never looked under that avenue of approach to study it further. Oh, I would first look and say, who was I? My name is Murray Leibowitz, and I was at Mount Vernon. I had no idea. That's who I was. I might have been a servant, but I wanted to get back to Libby Custer's message. Please. For you because you have brought up all of the generals. And I also wanted to make a comment about a couple of World War II movies that were my favorite. You know what? Unfortunately, I'm telling you, Ruth, please, we must. Don't use that word. China owns a son of fortune cookie. Okay. I have no idea what she's talking about. But she's a delightful woman. It's like Irwin Corey on acid. You know what I mean? I love her. I love her. Ruth, you call anytime. She's fascinating But I don't know what she's talking about It doesn't matter since when did that stop me Ladies and gentlemen that seems to be the end Of our particular traipse Down this valley of Intellectual indiscretion Yuri thank you Mr. Blaze thank you And thank you my friends for watching This is Lionel with you reminding you the monkey's dead The show's over sue you Thanks for listening To the other side of midnight If you like the podcast Share it with your friends and listen anytime at wabcradio.com and download the WABC Radio app. Hit that subscribe button on all major podcast platforms. Plus, follow WABC on social, on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and X. See you next time for a new episode so you never have to wonder. What the heck is going on here? Inspired by jet engine silences, the Dyson Hushjet Purify powerfully purifies the entire room quietly. capturing pollen, allergens and pet dander, removing odours and harmful gases such as NO2, day and night. Usjet. 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