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Furious Powell pulls Nuclear Option on Trump in Final Address

19 min
Apr 30, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell delivered his final address as chair, announcing unchanged interest rates while signaling inflation remains elevated at 3.5% due to tariffs and energy prices. Powell announced an unprecedented decision to remain on the Federal Reserve board after his term ends in May, citing concerns about legal attacks on the Fed's independence under the Trump administration.

Insights
  • Powell's decision to stay on the board after his term ends is historically unprecedented since 1948, signaling deep institutional concerns about political interference in monetary policy
  • Tariffs and energy prices are the primary drivers of current inflation, with Powell indicating no rate cuts expected through 2026 and potential rate increases ahead
  • The Trump administration's legal actions against the Federal Reserve represent an unprecedented threat to central bank independence in the institution's 113-year history
  • Job growth has slowed significantly due to reduced immigration and labor force participation, contributing to a broader jobs recession across manufacturing and other sectors
  • Energy prices remain a critical uncertainty, with oil prices at their highest levels since 2022, limiting the Fed's ability to cut rates despite economic softening
Trends
Politicization of Federal Reserve independence through legal attacks and threatsStagflation environment emerging from tariff policies and energy shocksPersistent inflation expectations above 2% target despite previous forecasts of temporary effectsLabor force contraction driven by immigration restrictions and reduced participationCentral bank leadership prioritizing institutional independence over traditional succession planningEnergy security becoming a primary constraint on monetary policy decisionsDivergence between Trump administration economic policies and Fed's dual mandate objectives
Companies
Federal Reserve
Central banking institution facing unprecedented legal attacks and political pressure over monetary policy independence
People
Jerome Powell
Delivered final address as chair, announced decision to remain on board after term ends to protect Fed independence
Kevin Warsh
Nominated to replace Powell as Federal Reserve chair, mentioned in context of Trump administration influence
Donald Trump
Subject of episode analysis regarding economic policies, tariffs, and legal actions against the Federal Reserve
Ben Meiselas
Host providing analysis and commentary on Federal Reserve policy and Trump administration economic impact
Quotes
"These legal actions by the administration are unprecedented in our 113 year history. And there are ongoing threats of additional such actions."
Jerome PowellMid-episode
"It is so important for our economy, for the people that we serve, that they can depend over time on a central bank that operates that way free of political influence."
Jerome PowellMid-episode
"I had long planned to be retiring. And, you know, the things that have happened in really in the last three months of, I think, left me no choice but to stay until I see them through."
Jerome PowellLate-episode
"We really do expect that to be happening in the next two quarters. So we be watching very carefully to see that what we thought all along would happen."
Jerome PowellMid-episode
"The blockade is genius. OK, the blockade has been 100 percent foolproof. It shows how good our Navy is."
Donald TrumpLate-episode
Full Transcript
Donald Trump was just hit with nightmare news as the Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell just went nuclear on him. The announcement today was Jerome Powell's last address regarding the interest rates and whether they would be cut or not. The Fed ultimately decided to leave interest rates unchanged, but a statement that came out from the Fed is very telling, whereas previously the way inflation was described was somewhat elevated. Right now, inflation is being described as actually elevated. And then when Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell spoke, he said a number of things demonstrating just how catastrophic Donald Trump has been for the economy, making the dual mandate of the Federal Reserve virtually impossible as Trump has created essentially a stagflation environment. Notably, Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell also stated that the legal action and the attacks on the Federal Reserve by the Trump regime are unprecedented in the institution's history. And Jerome Powell says that he fears for the independence of the Fed. Powerful words indeed. And Chairman Powell also said that when his term ends in May, as it's about to end. And a new Federal Reserve chairman, it's going to be that guy Warsh, who was hanging out with Epstein. He's in the Epstein files. When he becomes the new chairman of the Federal Reserve, Powell said, I'm not leaving. This is the first time that the chairman of the Federal Reserve has not left since 1948 after fulfilling their term as the chairman of the Federal Reserve. Oftentimes you go into retirement and you don't just stay on as a Federal Reserve governor. But he goes, no, I'm going to stay on. I'm going to do my job quietly because he fears for the independence of the Fed. And he also knows that if he leaves, Donald Trump is likely going to continue to attack him. So he goes, nope, I'm going to stay and I'm going to see this out. I want to show you specifically what Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell was saying at his last address regarding interest rate cuts, where he said no interest rate cuts also. It certainly doesn't seem that there's going to be interest rate cuts anytime this year. I can't even imagine next year. I think if anything, interest rates will likely be raised next year. And if you're saying, well, Ben, isn't Donald Trump picking his guy to be the chairman? And aren't they going to all then lower the interest rates? They really don't have the votes for that overall, especially if Jerome Powell is staying on, which he's doing because he doesn't trust the Trump regime. And when you look at PCE inflation right now, it's at 3.5% year over year in March with core PCE at 3.2% with near-term inflation expectations having moved higher while long-term expectations do remain consistent with a 2% target. But that target keeps getting moved back and back and back and back as Donald Trump keeps on engaging in conduct that's causing inflation. Here's what Jerome Powell said during his press conference where he goes, energy prices haven't even come close to peaking yet. Here, let's play this clip. For a long time, we've been working on the hypothesis, really, that tariffs would lead to a one-time price increase and that that would go away over time. In other words, there would be no further change. So measured inflation wouldn't reflect that higher level going up more and more. And it's time for that to happen. We really do expect that to be happening in the next two quarters. So we be watching very carefully to see that what we thought all along would happen And that kind of critical part of the forecast We need to really see that With energy it so hard to say I mentioned you know in you know sort of the textbook, you would look through an oil shock because they tend to be short-lived and they tend to revert. And monetary policy works with long and variable lags. So, you know, you wouldn't necessarily react right away. I think that is all the more true, given that we're several years above 2% inflation, and that we're already looking through the tariff shock. So I think we're going to be very cautious about that. But the question about looking through energy really is not in front of us right now. It hasn't even peaked yet. And I think we'd want to see the backside of that and progress on tariffs before we even thought about reducing rates. So if I could follow up. More from Jerome Powell here, who says that he's got deep concerns regarding the independence of the Fed that are unprecedented in the history of the Federal Reserve. Play this clip. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Appreciate the con words about the press. Often doesn't come from the podium in different places, but appreciate that. Can you talk about what has gone into your decision to remain on the board? What kind of criteria are you weighing and how long might you stay? Thank you. Sure. So, you know, my concern is really about the series of legal attacks on the Fed, which threaten our ability to conduct monetary policy without considering political factors. And I want to note here, this has nothing whatever to do with verbal criticism by elected officials. I've never suggested that such verbal criticism is a problem and neither has anyone else here. But these legal actions by the administration are unprecedented in our 113 year history. And there are ongoing threats of additional such actions. I worry that these attacks are battering the institution and putting at risk the thing that really matters to the public, which is the ability to conduct monetary policy without taking into consideration political factors. It is so important for our economy, for the people that we serve, that they can depend over time on a central bank that operates that way free of political influence. It's part of the absolute foundation of this amazing economy that we have. It's just one of the many reasons why the U.S. economy is the envy of the world. That piece of institutional architecture separates successful countries from unsuccessful countries. It is extremely important, not for the people who work at the Fed at any given time, but for the people that we serve, that the Fed remain able to conduct monetary policy in a way that doesn't get pulled into politics, trying to help or hurt any particular politician or political party. It's critical for the people that we serve. In terms of when I would leave, I will leave when I think it's appropriate to do so. Was that all your questions or was that not? Then Chairman Powell talks about the real catastrophic inflation situation we're in now because of Donald Trump and his regime. Here play this clip. Inflation has moved up recently and is elevated relative to our 2% longer run goal. Estimates based on the Consumer Price Index and other data indicate that total PCE prices rose 3.5% over the 12 months ending in March, boosted by the significant rise in global oil prices that has resulted from the conflict in the Middle East. Excluding the volatile food and energy categories, core PCE prices rose 3.2% over the 12 months ending in March. This relatively high rate largely reflects the effects of tariffs on prices in the goods sector. Near-term measures of inflation expectations have risen this year, likely because of the substantial rise in oil prices. Powell further talks about how inflation has moved up Let play this clip Inflation has moved up and is elevated in part reflecting the recent increase in global energy prices Today the FOMC decided to leave our policy rate unchanged. We see the current stance of monetary policy as appropriate to promote progress toward our maximum employment and 2% inflation goals. Developments in the Middle least are contributing to a high level of uncertainty about the economic outlook. And we will remain attentive to risks to both sides of our dual mandate. And he talks about how there's been a slowdown in job growth. One major driver is Trump's attack on immigrants. That's a major part of the labor force. But another major part is just stagnant job growth in general. Trump is a loser when it comes to jobs. Here, play this clip. A good part of the slowing in the pace of the job growth over the past year reflects a decline in the growth of the labor force due to lower immigration and labor force participation, though labor demand has clearly softened as well. Other indicators, including job openings, layoffs, hiring and nominal wage growth, generally show little change in recent months. And I've long said this, folks, we are in a jobs recession right now. You don't need to hear it from me. You know we're in a jobs recession right now. What are we talking about? Manufacturing jobs and across the board jobs. Trump hasn't created any new jobs. You remember under former President Biden, we're on a month to month basis. It'd be like 300,000 new jobs were created, 200,000 new jobs, 400,000 new jobs. Regardless of the later adjustments, massive jobs were created. The most in American history, the most jobs in American history under any presidency, objectively, they were created under former President Biden. And then Donald Trump's like, I'm going to do it better. I'm going to do it better. Just give me two weeks. And then Donald Trump not only made it worse, but just like Trump's first term where he was a job losing president. Oops, he did it again because he's a lifelong loser who bankrupts things. More on Jerome Powell right here, who said he's not leaving the board, the Federal Reserve Board. Play this clip. I welcomed the announcement last Friday by the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia that she had closed the criminal investigation. She also noted, however, that she would not hesitate to restart the investigation. Over the weekend, the Department of Justice provided assurances that they will not reopen the investigation unless there's a criminal referral from the Fed's Inspector General. And, absent such a referral, if they do appeal the recent court decision, they would not seek, as part of that appeal, to restart the investigation or send new subpoenas. I've said that I will not leave the board until this investigation is well and truly over with transparency and finality, and I stand by that. I'm encouraged by recent developments, and I'm watching the remaining steps in this process carefully. My decisions on these matters will continue to be guided entirely by what I believe is in the best interest of the institution and the people we serve. After my term as chair ends on May 15, I will continue to serve as a governor, for a period of time to be determined. I plan to keep a low profile as a governor. There's only ever one chair of the Federal Reserve Board. When Kevin Warsh is confirmed and sworn in, he will be that chair. Once sworn in as board chair, his new colleagues will elect him to chair the FOMC as well. And he's like, let me be clear. I'm literally staying because of the actions being taken against me and the Federal Reserve in general. He goes I was planning on retiring but because of these actions that what inspired me to stay because I feel that I have an obligation to protect the independence of this thing So I going to make a sacrifice and stay on Here let play this clip What would you say to the criticism that by remaining on the board, you're actually taking a political act and denying President Trump the majority of the board, which as president he would have if you left? I don't see that at all. As I mentioned, you know, I'm literally staying because of the actions that have been taken. I had long planned to be retiring. And, you know, the things that have happened in really in the last three months of, I think, left me no choice but to stay until I see them through at least that long. You know, in addition, I don't see how this will interfere. My intention is not to interfere. And folks, you know, the price of the gas right now is atrocious. The average price for a gallon of gas in the U.S. is now rising to $4.23 a gallon. I mean, out here in California, it's like six bucks. It's the highest since 2022 nationally right now. Brent crude oil prices officially surged their highest level of the Iran war at $119.50 per barrel. So in the entire war right now, the entire thing, we're at $119.50. And this comes as Donald Trump also was like, I love the blockade. Genius. We're just going to do the blockade forever. This puts Brent crude oil prices at their highest level since 2022. The IEA has called this the biggest energy security threat in history. And as I noted before, the Fed is no longer expected to do any interest rate cuts in 2026. And if Donald Trump just did freaking nothing, if he did nothing, if he just let Biden's economy go on overdrive. That's why I say my little daughter Jimena would have done a better job than Donald Trump because she would have just listened to Elmo and Abby all day and it wouldn't have to be all of the moves that hurt. Seriously, my 18 month old would do better than Donald Trump in the presidency because she'd just be watching Elmo and Miss Rachel. But Donald Trump screwed it all up, all of his moves. Now we can do rate cuts. Now we're losing jobs. Now we're back in inflation where everything was moving in the right direction. All of that's taking place. Donald Trump was in the Oval Office saying, I love the blockade. Genius. The blockade is a genius. Listen to what he said. Here, play this clip. Well, the blockade is genius. OK, the blockade has been 100 percent foolproof. It shows how good our Navy is. I can tell you that nobody's going to play games. We have the greatest military in the world and i built much of it during my first term and we've been building it since and the greatest anywhere in the world nobody even close and uh and you see that every whether it's venezuela which and they have a good military in venezuela but it was over in one day it was actually over in about 48 minutes uh iran the same thing i mean militarily we've wiped them out they have no military left they're they're it's all the navy's at the bottom of the sea the air force is never going to fly again. We've got an amazing military. Now they have to cry uncle. That's all they have to do. Just say, we give up. We give up. So utterly despicable. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers. You may think you're subscribed, but you may not actually be subscribed. So double check. Help us hit 7 million subscribers. 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