Hour 2 - Draft, Develop, Trade And Retain For The Mariners, Mariners Walk Off The Yankees, Blue 88

Get in the freaking auto! From the Quantum Fiber Studio, this is Brock and Zock on Seattle Sports. Brock Heward and Mark Matt Martins. Sorry about just my mic. Heward, not exactly Joe Kat there in the pocket. Now, here are your hosts, Brock Heward and Mike Zock. Ah! Draft, develop, trade, and retain. That was the edit. I put on the Mariners DDT philosophy, Brock, because it just seems to better fit what they actually do. Yes, they've got to draft, develop, and trade, but when you got the right guy and he's in your building and you know who he is and you think you know what he's going to be, you got to spend the money to retain him and that's exactly what the Mariners have done. Today, that philosophy continues and gets another opportunity to see it in action as Colt Emerson signs a long-term deal before he's even played a game in the major leagues. Eight years, $95 million guaranteed. The Mariners have a team option for a ninth year. That money can get over $130 million with escalators and other things that he can hit, but that is a risk and a potentially huge reward for the team. And for Colt, it is security today that no matter what happens in his life, he's got close to $100 million coming his way. Yeah, I would have to imagine yet again, so a lot of the goodwill that we have talked about over the last year or two years, salt the Cal Raleigh extension before last year, the Julio Rodriguez deal, the investments that this team has made, that this organization, that this ownership group have made, I would think this continues the momentum of goodwill. And I just, man, the news broke about about a half hour ago, Morris sent us the tweet, and my mind has kind of been racing since of why would Colt do this? You just mentioned, he gives him long-term security. Man, that is locking yourself up for what, eight years? Now, he's not alone in this, right? I was just talking about during the break, Corbin Carroll and Roman Anthony, and we're seeing young players do this and just say, man, I do want that long-term security, no matter what happens in my life and with injury and everything else, I've got to guarantee here for the next decade of my life. Yeah, in the end, I guess, is my mind races on both sides of it. It's a win. It's a win. It is one of the youngest, your youngest, most talented player by all accounts, who is on the threshold and is on the threshold of being on this big league roster, who wants to be here and who commits to you for the next decade of your life. And if you are right on this and he becomes anywhere near that kind of player, you're going to get remarkable, remarkable bang for your buck. Yeah, I think what it's saying, and I understand every Mariner fan who's got a little scar tissue here, right? Because they've had two or three of these opportunities where they've tried to extend guys long-term or in some cases have at the very beginning, and it has not worked out well for those players. But I think what the Mariners are telling you here is, they believe more in the person than in Dustin Ackley or in Jared Kalnick, and they believe more in the player than in Evan White, right? He's a better player than Evan White, and he's a better prospect, but he's a much better, I don't want to say a better human because it's not like those other guys were bad guys. I don't mean that. Just makeup, just big, small makeup. But the makeup is much more trustworthy in terms of his ability to sustain this and live up to the potential that he's got. So huge deal, $95 million guaranteed. You know, that is a lot of money if it doesn't work out, but it's not as much as you're spending on a big-time shortstop free agent, and if that doesn't work out, you're really in trouble. Joe Doyle tweeted this a few minutes ago, and it's another interesting point here, Brock. One of the implications is that if Colt were to come up and win Rookie of the Year, something that he would be a favorite to do, they no longer would receive an additional first round pick. Because they locked him up in this country? Because he's now locked up. He's not part of the CBA pre-arbitration time of his career. Well, and if anything, it just gives him more time to develop. You don't have to worry about that PPI pick and thinking about, oh, let's call him up in a week, two weeks, late April. Yeah, just to have to think about, oh, let's get him up in time to try to accrue the pick. Now you just let him develop. Yeah, I think this really helps or could conceivably help his development. Again, go back to those words, draft develop, trade and retain. He was obviously drafted and developed. This continues to help with the development process. The trade part is not relevant here, but the retention obviously is. And yeah, throw him on the same list now as Julio and Castillo and Cal Raleigh and Josh Neler. Guys that they've looked at and said, these are players that we want to continue to build our team around. Yeah, that's pretty big money, man, is you kind of lay that out. I mean, that is a significant amount of money, especially upon the news over the weekend that Daniel Kramer reported that conversations were had with Logan Gilbert and Brian Woo over the off season. They deal never obviously coalesced or got much momentum there. And if you're Brian Woo and you're Logan Gilbert this morning and you see that news, you react how? I mean, you're happy for a guy that's not playing one in a big league baseball yet, right? Like, but man, it's almost a hundred million with escalators. Maybe, but I also look at it and say, hey, I had conversations with the team this off season and it didn't work out. I mean, there's not a bit of which I said, no, yes, absolutely. I mean, good. They're not looking at cold like, oh, come on. Like, no, absolutely not. Not the quality of these guys and the way that this organization is developed. But yeah, I would think that those guys, especially Woo's got many more years of arbitration would kind of look like that. Go, OK, so he did pull the trigger. He didn't get a position player versus pitcher. Different risk tolerance. I understand all of that. But if I'm a pitcher to me, I'd be much more willing to try to sign up. But look, you know, you're also if you are someone like Logan Gilbert, who is it who had this yesterday, Daniel Kramer, maybe that you're looking at it and saying, man, if I get to free agency, Max Freak got $200 million. Like, you know, there's a there's a lot of reasons to get there. You asked why why would Colt Emerson say, yeah, I would call do it for a hundred million dollars. I mean, if I'm Colt Emerson and I'm not, but if I was, I would look at this and say, OK, there are essentially three options in front of me. I cannot sign a deal, play for six years, have unbelievable success. And then at the end of that, make hundreds of millions of dollars. I guess there's four things that could happen. That's one. I cannot sign this deal, get hurt, blow out my knee, blow out my shoulder, never succeed, whatever. Evan White, Dustin Ackley, Jared Kellnick, it make, I don't know, two million dollars, five million dollars in my career. And then fade off into nowhere with a little bit of pocket money. Kyle Luce be another example, maybe ten million dollars if things work out OK. I can sign this deal, make a hundred million, ninety five million dollars and then and fail and and and ride off into the sunset with nearly one hundred million dollars to my name. Or I can sign this deal, make a hundred million dollars and then make another hundred million dollars or so when I get to free agency before the age of 30. No, maybe I don't maximize every single dollar. Maybe instead of making 500 million in my career, I make 400 million in my career. I don't know what the right numbers are, but isn't that worth it to guarantee yourself close to 100? Would you do it if Mike Salt, the baseball player was this kind of caliber player? I would do this yesterday. Yes, of course. To me, this is this is an obvious deal for both sides. Just when you look at all of the various possibilities, he gets generational wealth no matter what. And if it works out, he can add even more generational wealth to it. Maybe just not quite as much as the guys in his boat have not done this. If I'm I know we mentioned some of those names Gunner Henderson, Bobby Wood, Jr. Some of the short stops that some of those guys have, but Jackson Churio and Roman Anthony and Corbin Carroll and some other guys have done it. So I mean, I understand both sides. And if I were, you know, Gunner Henderson and I'm in Baltimore, maybe I don't want to make that deal. If I'm Roman Anthony and I'm in Boston, maybe I do. And obviously Colt Emerson here in Seattle with what's being built and what they're offering to these guys, he's decided to make it happen. And I think the commitment, I'd come back to that, you know, because it has been such a narrative for so long. I think this once again is yet another young player that's like, man, they're giving us everything we need to succeed. They invest in us. This is a world class facility, our spring training facility. They invest and they invest and they invest and they want the best for us. They want us to become the very best we can. And if I have all of that and a hundred million dollar guarantee, sign me up, sign my name. And here is my direct deposit. Pretty darn cool. All right, we'll come back with everything you need to know. This is obviously number one on that list. Colt Emerson has never played a game in the big leagues and he's now worth close to a hundred million dollars for playing this game of baseball. What a world. More next on Brock and Salk. Highlights don't win games. The full box score does. I'm Brock cured and most business leaders aren't short on data. They're short on clarity. Numbers are scattered across ERP, CRM and spreadsheets, making decisions reactive instead of confident. And that's not how great businesses are built. Marquis IQ brings all your data together into one clear view. Even if it lives in disconnected systems or offline, so you can see what's really happening and act faster. Stop running your business on highlights. Get the full picture. 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There's a full no trade clause. There are some wins in here for the player and I think a lot of wins in here for the team as well. But a huge commitment brought to a guy who let's face it loves to play the game. That's what he told us or at least told the media just a couple of weeks ago. I just I have a love for the game that that is just I don't know how to describe. I just love the game so much and I love every aspect and coming out here and being able to practice my craft has just been amazing. And and I can't wait to do it for longer. Have you always had that love? Yeah, yeah. And I think and I think even more so the more I get in the pro baseball, you know, it's the opportunity to be able to come out here every day and work on specifically baseball is the greatest opportunity that I've been given just and I'm taking full advantage of it. I just I love it. I do know he's going to get to love it here for a long time to come. Yeah, the more that I do kind of sit on this and react to it here over the last hour or so. This is a win win. It's a win for the player to make generational money and guarantees. It's a win for the organization that if he becomes half the player that you believe he can become that over time that deal is going to be very favorable to your budget. It'd be great to have Jeff Passon. I know that Jeff has been incredibly high on him as most in baseball have as one of the top 10 prospects that is just sniffing the big leagues. And oh, by the way, he had a pretty nice home run over the weekend and double and some really hard contact with a guy that can that can that can run that can feel that's got all of the tools that you're looking for. Well, when we asked Kevin Seitzer before the year, who would you buy stock in? Cold Emerson looks really good right now. Yeah. Well, that was what he said. He went on from there. But the team certainly decided to buy stock as they've made a hundred million dollar bet that this kid is going to work out. Here's the second thing you need to know. They had a pretty good night last night as well as we got our first walk off of the season. The look in by Blackbird. Here we go. The stretch of the right handers to one to Cal swinging a shot over the back at first. Fair ball. The Mariners win it. Here comes Leo Rivas to score. Cal Raleigh with a walk off single and the Mariners beat the Yankees tonight. Two to one in the bottom of the night. That ain't pretty darn cool. Cal had come in to pinch hit in the seventh came back around in the ninth with men on first and third credit to Rivas credit to Donovan for really. I felt like putting the Yankees in a bind. Right. What do you do? You want to pitch to Cal first and third one out or you want to walk Cal and pitch to Julio with the bases loaded. You have to pitch to Julio there. Don't you have to at least have righty on righty. Cal's a switch hitter. Don't you at least have to have that. Don't you at least set up the bang bang play. Don't you at least set up. Bring the field in. I think I would have done that although I hate loading the bases and means that you've got to throw strikes to Julio because a walk is going to lose the game. I don't know. It's a bind. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the judge made the earth at Booney made the right decision. But here was Cal afterwards. Yeah. You know he went to cutters there to start the bat. Curveball. I was just looking for some hard some hard in the heart of the plate and they cut into my hands a little bit. But I was able to keep it fair. So yeah. It's a me. I was just trying to get barrel in the ball trying to get something to the outfield trying to square something up. Keep it simple. I was able to get enough of it to get it through. So I think you're also looking at if you're booting to send little Cal's been struggling. They got him in the seventh inning. They're trying to get him again. They felt like they have a plan but obviously didn't work for them. And that's great news for the Mariners who now get over 500 for the first time and hopefully we'll never look back. Right. I mean this is your opportunity now. Logan Gilbert against Max Fried later today. Cow was supposed to have a day off Brock just a little I think physical and maybe even mental break. Get the sense. Cow was working extra hard after the after the WBC to try to get himself fully up to speed. And so maybe a day off was exactly what he needed. What was it to for his last 25 15 case when you look at the WBC and the first four games right and just yeah just timing wise. It felt like his swing wasn't there. Let's hope like a great shooter sees one go through the net or we hear one like we did yesterday with that you con shooter to see one go through and get that hit and kind of get that energy. And that also gives some credit to Luis Castillo. What a night man. Six innings of dominant dominant pitching. He was phenomenal last night shut down a very good offense dominated right to spreaders behind cooking dinner. I was I was watching that on my computer at the crack and community ice plex yesterday. Bro here's the third day you need to know. Shout out to Sassley for being like oh I just played five games in three days. You know what I wanted to do is go to stick and punk. Okay. Finds a bunch of boys her age there is like a dog in your song. You got that dog. You got to let it bar. I told her I'll never say no as long as she's the one asking. Let's see. Bunch of Seahawks things but the biggest news Brock of anything is they're going to be on hard knocks. I'm so excited for this. I have stopped watching hard knocks because it's gotten boring because it's been on for 20 years. But if it's going to be my team in it I'm in double barrel. Let's go. Who are you excited to see. Oh I'm excited for Grey's able. I'm excited for some of the personality. You're going to go spearfishing with Lynn Williams. I hope so. How can you do that in like Washington song. Well they could go on an excursion with them. They can meet him wherever he and Baldinger are going like the Bahamas or whatever. Don't you think Derek Hall's monster trucks are going to be. Oh that could be a part of it. I hope we get a whole segment on Derek Hall's legs. You know who I thought of initially. Maybe I've been in the business too long. I immediately thought of Diamond Dave Pearson and just how much time it's going to take to everything that goes through the Seahawks. Filter before it's going to make air like nope that's not going up. Nope that's not going out like nope that's not going out. We're not putting that out. Nope sorry can't use that. Not a lot of news coming out of the owners meetings the one sort of newsy item. Tory Horton limited this spring but should be good to go for training camp. That's everything you need to know. Quarter past every hour. It might here in the Brock and Salk show like McDonald's finally watch Super Bowl. Okay. Some news to okay. Finally watch the game tape. That's you don't think that's big news. I thought it was funny that he said the reason he did it was because he was sick of watching college players. Do you think that is something to do with this draft? He's like these guys are awful. I'm sick of watching them for Daniel Jeremiah who's actually joined us this week on Thursday. But yeah we might want to cut cut and have that ready. All right. Well Jeff Passon is going to join us in an hour. Colt Emerson has himself a tremendous morning as he's now worth over 100 mil 100 close to 100 million dollars over the next eight years as the Mariner sign him to a big deal. Let's not leave out what it did for the team. Well not with that deal but what the team itself did last night Brock just a few minutes to react to it. We'll do it next on Brock and Salk. Highlights don't win games. The full box score does. I'm Brock cured and most business leaders aren't short on data. They're short on clarity. Numbers are scattered across ERP CRM's and spreadsheets making decisions reactive instead of confident and that's not how great businesses are built. Marquis IQ brings all your data together into one clear view even if it lives in disconnected systems or offline so you can see what's really happening and act faster. Stop running your business on highlights. Get the full picture. 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We'll talk to Jeff Passan in an hour and we'll ask him more about the ninety five million dollar extension. The Colt Emerson signed news coming out early this morning by Robert Murray who I think may join us tomorrow. Brock to talk about this and seven thirty seven thirty tomorrow morning right on cue. Thank you more. A nice job. So Robert Murray who broke this news will join us tomorrow morning at seven thirty. I know bump and Stacy you're going to talk to Joe Doyle about it. I think at noon if I saw that correctly. So yeah I mean this is going to be a story all day long. I don't want to forget about the fact. I'm not just going to forget about the fact that the Mariners had a walk off win last night and there was a lot to like about it. First of all I just enjoyed watching it. I was as I told you kind of all over the place this past weekend. I was up in Vancouver like there was a lot going on. So it was nice for me anyway and I know others have already had this experience to just be able to sit and watch the game. I listened to some of it in the car. I watched some of it on my computer. I watched some of it at home. You know the app is nice the way it kind of travels with you which is really great. And I could easily watch while I was with Ceci at KCI. So you know it was it was just a fun watch. The changes they've made to baseball over the last few years have just made the game I think a little bit better. I didn't think I was going to like all of them but I do. I do. I definitely like the pitch clock and you feel it on a night like last night which probably would have been played quickly anyway due to the weather. But like just the how quickly everything moves that is that is important. You know a pacing element to it. There's no question. There's also something about the Yankees and the Mariners feel a little bit like the 49ers in the Seahawks like you put these two teams out there. They're going to play really competitive compelling baseball. You know every game seemingly is going to be close. It's going to come down to an abat's going to come down to a moment's going to come down to a pitch. And man you put Luis Castillo against these guys and you get some of Luis is very very best. And now you've got the full array. You've gone through the rotation one time. Salk and I know Jeff Pass is going to talk about it in 40 minutes with us like yep that's what this team is built upon. There you go. Well the last four guys in the rotation have gone 24 innings and given up three runs. That's pretty good. Like you do that you're going to win a lot of games. That's right. You do that and you're going to win a lot of games. I think Logan gave up what three runs so technically not five quality starts but outside you know but right on the verge of that and the strikeouts to walks and just the dominant stuff and swing and miss and just everything that you kind of signed up for that you you know I guess Emerson is filling in technically for Bryce so it's not you know the five that you kind of maybe But there are people out there who think Bryce is poised to have the best year of anybody so yeah it has been just a cool thing. It is a reminder and the weather last night it was cold and windy and it was not likely to be a high scoring game. But it is just a reminder that it is always still starting pitching that is at the heart of everything. They know it. We know it. We all like it just every single night. They're giving themselves an opportunity to go in because their starter is likely to have a quality start or better. Trevor Ploof I like this Brock remember Trevor Ploof and he's on MLB Network these days. He was talking about Emerson Hancock sweeper this new pitch right that is really seem to help him take off and he's comparing it to some pretty lofty names. I know there's pitching depth in Seattle but hey bro like you're going to carve yourself out some time if you continue to pitch like that. And that slider does seem like it's like the seams finally catch the air. Yes and then just rips down and there's a few guys. I always say AJ Burnett was maybe the nastiest slider I've ever seen in my life. Josh Beckett same thing with his curveball where it just floats and then just catches goes yes. It's interesting right there but I've seen that pitch before and it makes you want to make sure you want to get out of the box. Two of my favorite pitchers to watch Burnett and Beckett. I don't know whether you know he's quite at that level yet but you know that's the guy who's supposed to be their number six. Last night Luis Castillo dazzled with the fastball when he needed the slider it was there. He was kind of able to do it with the two fastballs in the slider against that lineup last night. And when he's on Luis just fun and the fact that he gets to 1500 strikeouts and does it against Aaron Judge. That's great. Pretty cool. Yeah pretty cool all the way around and as you said a chance down to get above 500 chance to win this series. A chance to just you know kind of have a great opening home stand against two really good ball clubs that more than likely you're going to see in the playoffs would be in the playoff mix. I don't know about 160 games from now but you know in a long ways to go but so much so much to like it and Cole Young with three hits doing it against lefties. Bernardonovan being a revelation that he has been little Leonardo at the bottom of the lineup just mixing things up you know just finding different ways to win. Yeah. A lot of the theme for this you really needed that last night. You nobody was hitting the ball out of that park last night. I mean maybe if Stanton or Cal or somebody had connected so perfectly we see young Lyle in Piora. Yeah. I mean we got to hang out with him and we got to see him in 90 degree weather his poor eyes. I don't know what was going on. The sunscreen was in his eyes. He was there was irritants. You know the shorts are pretty short. It just he looked uncomfortable frankly. Even as a guy that lived four years in Tempe you know Lyle just kind of looked fairly uncomfortable and then he gets some home and you get the animal in his natural habitat. So can how many times is he hanging hanging out in the Marine layer. Old Marine layer and you're telling me he's shivering and shaking. I'm telling you wasn't wearing a jacket and Lyle when I asked him about it this morning said he wasn't sure if he owned one. I don't need one. It's fine. You needed one yesterday. One off. When it rains. I don't wear a coat when it rains. No. I have a big puffy coat of hood because I don't want to get my head wet. No. I don't care. Lyle doesn't need that. He's like my teenager Avery's the same way. She's like I don't get a coat coat. I'm not a loser. That's like she's she's she says like not taking a jacket with me. We're cold. Were you cold though. Yes Ray. Yeah. You were cold. TJ looked like he was about to shrivel up into a prune and I don't know that I blame him. It was it was a little chilly pregame with the wind blowing. So no one's going to hit home runs last night. Yep. So what do you need to do. Well you need a broken bat single and Cole Young go in three for three. You need Leo Reeve us leading off the ninth with a hit. You need Brendan Donovan with another hard ground ball up the middle to move Reeve us to third base. And yes with his speed not that he's a burner but fast enough that he's able to get the third go first to third. And I think what I love so much about this lineup is not just all of the all of the little ways that they can win and they are there are a lot of different ways. That's why we call them complete. But but the bind that they can put you in because when Reeve us gets on third and Donovan's now at first and you only have one out. What are you going to do with Cal and Julio. How do you want to handle that. Because you you're already tied. You give up a run. The game is over. So if you're Aaron Boone. Yeah Brock I think you're right. I think I probably would have walked Cal if I have that. But I'm sure he's talking to his pitcher and saying all right what do you want to do. How do you want to attack him. Who do you feel better against. How do you know can you get Cal into in a double play situation which is something you're not going to do with Julio. Like I understand why he went with Cal. But obviously it didn't work because Cal came out. I mean Cal got his hands inside that pitch and pulled it down the line and kept it fair. Yeah I know this was from Scott service in the previous regime and it was always his aim and his goal. But these four words really do come to life as much I think this year as any other time as we're kind of in this still you know we're into the regular season now but it's obviously the first five games and those words are hard to play against. And this crew just puts you as you said in those kind of binds they do what they're lining up to do with their pitching they do it. I think through some of their defense you know the Brendon's going to continue to work at third base. Looks a little conversation. It's a lot that's on the watch list right there. It's a little bit of a watch list. Yeah. Then you get to the bullpen and you know on a day that Mooney's down you could still bring brash in and you want to talk about stuff that's not fun to be in the batter's box trying to swing it his stuff and hit his stuff. So yeah this thing is is teed up in a way that if you're an opponent coming in here on a I don't know what was it at first pitch 50 degrees but probably felt like 38 and by the end of the game it was probably 42 and felt like 28. This is not a team that's fun to play against. No. Now and certainly not when you know we says that sinker working in the four Seamer at the top of the zone. It was great. It was really my first day Brock of truly getting to watch the ABS system you know for a full game. Yeah. It did get annoying in that inning like it did when they when they you know for in a row or whatever it was it was kind of annoying. Yep. But I think that's much more rare. I don't think that's going to be the norm. I think in any way that helps self correct the umpire. That's what I asked Lyle this morning. That's the first thing I asked this morning. I swear to you I asked the same thing at six. Did I not at 605 like did the ump get better during the game like hey all right if they're going to keep telling me that I don't have the best the best view of the bottom portion of the zone. Maybe I need to clean it up mid game and start right. I didn't see any after that though. I can't think of a pitch after that that he called that he got right because of it. But I wonder if it would help like hey man they're going to keep embarrassing me. I better make a change to what I'm calling down there. And there were certainly some pitches that I thought Reeve us could have challenged Julio could have challenged. We're not seeing the Mariners especially in the batter's box be very aggressive. Correct. No is Randy obviously challenged in a couple games. And I think he was right on that. But yeah you know it's I don't mind it. I'll say that and it's and it happens so fast. They're on this thing. If there was a delay oh my gosh with the technology was not great. If every one of these challenges took more than the five seconds I think you'd have a problem but it moves. Yeah. And just like the pitch clock it moves the game moves the tempo moves. It is the most like tennis. It really does feel like tennis like let's go quick bang. All right. Now we know let's move on. But it is it was hilarious watching C.B. Buckner over the weekend with Geno Swarovski. Matt I mean like he was so mad and he was so wrong. Right. Like it's not even like it was close. There were one there was one call last night that what was it a point one inch off. And you're like all right like I'm sure Esther Brooke wasn't embarrassed after that. He's probably a little bit like rolling his eyes. But a couple of them were two two and a half inches that he wasn't close on. And I'm sure there is an embarrassing one. And you wonder if it was like tempered down the anger of Aaron Boone. No. No. No he's still screaming. If anything it almost reached him that much because he knew for a fact right away just how bad the call was. Yeah. And that actually was sort of entertaining also. That was too. That is a that is a hidden little gem here that I didn't know we were going to get Buster was talking about how great it was just with the drama in the park. But I think that might be my favorite little piece of dress like now the people who get angry know right away. Like dude they're so mad. Yes. If Mackinac could have only had that technology back in the day. I know I've you know I've asked about that for years like what would have happened if John Mackinac had had instant replay. Right. Would he have not gotten mad all the time. But and I always thought he wouldn't like oh it would have like maybe he never would have made it because he wouldn't have had that adrenaline rush to like focus on. But now I think he would have gotten even more mad like he would have challenged the call. It would have come back that he was right. And he'd have been looking at the chair umpire screaming at him. Be better. Idiots. Be better. It would have been great screaming last night. You cannot be serious. I mean it is always funny to hear him on these tennis broadcasts now. It's like God it's so great they have these challenges now because he hated. Oh you would have loved watching John Mackinac. He was a blast. He was such a baby. And I just I loved him. I loved watching him because he was a threat at any moment to have a giant temper tantrum. It was it was hilarious. And he combined it with being the most entertaining player to watch because he was a lefty and a serving volley and he was athletic like he was super fun to watch. And then he would just lose his ever loving mind. It was awesome. So yeah it was it was fun. It was a good watch last night and obviously the Mariners. Tonight's going to be a great challenge too. Yeah. Main freed didn't want to give up anything. I think the Yankees are giving up one run the first three games. One run two runs last night and this is probably going to be a low scoring. I don't know if it's going to warm up that dramatically. So it's going to be a tough hitters environment and Logan and free going out. Well remember I did enjoy the game last night. As I said you can download the Seattle Sports app because you get every game one app completely free. No challenges. You can take the game with you on the go. If you're out running errands little league practice on a hike of the boat wherever you are Seattle Sports app. It'll travel with you Brock enjoy every pitch with Rick Riz and his final season all in one place and absolutely no costs. It's totally free easiest way to enjoy Seattle Mariners baseball is with the Seattle Sports app. And yes I should mention again it's free just like listening to blue 88. This is Brock and Sox blue 88. We're going to go red right tight close sprint left G corner half back flat on one on one ready. Brock he were tackles three football questions as only he can. Now here's your host Brock Heward and Mike Song. So I'm curious what you saw here Brock as you were looking at trade scenarios in the draft. This is one in which the Seahawks would trade up move up in the first round. We talked about one scenario like that last week. I'm curious if it's the same one. What did you think it is. I looked at your show notes from the beach last week and I don't think it is. I'm going to give you a trade up that does have I think some logic to it and then I'm going to give you a trade down that is probably got a lot more reason and history behind it. You want. Here's the trade up and this came from Seahawk nerd really enjoy Seahawk nerd. Let's just say the Seahawks are picking 25th in next year's draft. So this is projecting to next year. It's going to be a playoff team. You know it's going to be a mid to late 20s pick next year on one of the on one of these charts. This is the Rachel value chart. That's worth a certain number of points to 130 pick number 32 is worth 184 plus 230 is 414 points which is about the same pick in this year's draft as number eight. Okay. The I've heard from some that the single and we may hear this from DJ on Thursday. I have heard from some that the single best player in this draft is Jeremiah love the running back out of Notre Dame and with tackles and with quarterback and with other positions and edge rusher and linebacker. And you look at these mocks and if Jeremiah love is sitting there at number eight and let's just say the Seahawks. I don't know if they do or not but let's just say they believe he is the best player in this draft. Do you give up next year's first to go up and get the best running back in the best player in this draft. Five years of control of that player. Nope. Okay. Nope. I don't. Sorry. So you think that. Well, I was a little intrigued with trading up a few spots to pick up the guard from Penn State that they seem to love. But you're telling me about trading next year's first round pick in a great draft to get a running back. You're telling me you can get the number one player. Yeah. On your board. I'm good. I'm good. I'm all set with that. Do you want the one that's probably going to happen. Yeah. Okay. Because this was another scenario that came about yesterday. This was from NFL Network Seahawks trade their first to the Steelers. So the Steelers come up and draft conceivably tie Simpson. Once Aaron Rodgers comes out of his retreat and says I'm out or maybe I'm in or I don't know, but they get their quarterback. And the Seahawks get in this draft. The 53rd pick to add to their second round. So two seconds and they get the 76th pick to add to their third round. So two thirds, a fifth and a sixth. So that's what the value chart would would would pump out for that first round pick. So you'd have two seconds, two thirds, you had a fifth, you had a sixth and you had four players, most importantly in kind of that wheelhouse between pick 53 and pick 95. That smells a lot more. Right. I don't know. I'm also sort of fine with just making four picks in this draft and having about a gazillion next year and really putting, you know, kind of betting the house on getting it right next year. So I would be fine with them doing nothing. Just draft at 32 64 and everywhere else. Question number two. All right. So Tori Orton is not going to participate much this spring. He is supposed to be ready though for training camp. Brock. What is going to it's a shin injury, which is not something I know much about. Yeah. Again, I want to reach out and I don't want to reach out. So I hate speculating on this stuff, but you do start to look at it and go shin a shin injury for nine or 10 months. This happened mid season. Yeah. And he had been on a great roll with six touchdowns and returns and explosiveness and all of that. A shin. How does a shin keep you out for nine or so months? But then you do look into it. So you see some stuff that you don't love. You see kind of nerve issues. You see stress reaction issues. Yeah. That compartment syndrome, which comes from increased pressure within the leg muscles can damage nerves and muscle. No, it doesn't sound good. So, you know, this is where my mind kind of races like with a shin. Is this a stress fracture? Well, what if you're getting repeated stress fractures? Is that what's happening here? You know, like what exactly is going on? Yeah, I don't know when it knocks you out for the whole season and it's going to knock you out through the OTA season in a time where your development is. John Schneider said yesterday to the folks like, it's gonna be really fun to get Shahid and Horton and that speed on the field together. You want to get that on the field together, but then look like it's going to happen in training camp. Then you do. Then you do start to kind of dig in a little further to stress reaction, stress fractures. They're not healing. Why are they not healing? Let's get a hold of this thing and try to get this young player back on the field. Our question number three. Saw this news the other night. Seahawks added former UW offense coordinator Jimmy Dardi to their staff. Brock, how come? Tremendous human being. Really, it's been fun to watch Jimmy's career. Saw him as a really young coach and circadian staff at UW. And like a lot of folks on that UW staff, they ran pretty hard and pretty fast and then just grew and just matured and settled down and married with kids now and just become a real, like, and just talking to him a little bit through the recruiting process here with Titus at Washington and seeing him around and more importantly, hearing from everybody that's had touch points with him and they all say the same thing. What a great human being and a really good coach. He's a coordinator for Jed Fish. He knows, you know, this West Coast system and I think he wanted to get to the NFL. That was his heart's desire and for the Seahawks to just say, yeah, let's add a really quality human being that's going to fit our culture and be totally selfless and eagle-less and then B for Jimmy to look at and go, that's exactly where I want to go. I'm here anyway. My family's here. I love the Pacific Northwest. Let's go. So kind of like the Colt Emerson deal win-win for both sides. Great human being, excellent football coach. As Mike McDonald said, can't have enough of those guys in the building in this organization like the organization across the street and Mariners. They invest. They put money back into their people and to care about that. And I thought a pretty good move for both sides. All right. That's today's blue 88. See if we have a little more time on this later, but we talked about Sean McVeigh being super whiny yesterday, right? I mean, it was worse than I'm feeling. Sean McVeigh Bay. Yeah, Sean McVeigh Bay Bay. Yeah. So super crybaby whiner Sean McVeigh. Uh-huh. And so he's still upset about that two point conversion thing. And then he tried to explain. Listen to this. So this is to Kailin Caller. And it's like, this is why they ended up dropping their rule change. It's pretty hilarious. That example of something that's like emotion driven in the moment. And then he realizes you're trying to explain it like actually this doesn't make a lot of sense. Probably an accurate way to assess it. Well, here's what I would say. It's a it was really hard the way that we had to write it just because of the semantics of the rules. So then when I was explaining it, I did feel that exact way. I'm like, man, this is if I can't if you guys if I'm having to feel like I'm putting a Rubik's Cube together. This is probably too complex. But yes, actually, that's probably an accurate way to assess it. It was emotional, but I can say I can't say this though. I'm never I'm never going to make excuses. All right. I would I would imagine that most people would agree, though, that that specific play, if you're just watching it as a casual fan, you're saying they're trying to throw a perimeter scream. Is that something that really should be rewarded? I think even you talk to Mike McDonald. No, now it was accurately officiated based on the way that it unfolded. Oh, my God, man. Just stop. Gosh, every year in the NFL, it's a new team. As far as goals go, we have one. Putting a ring on our finger. Not a Super Bowl. Don't let him start with the first series. You go to win the. You're going to make excuses. This football team was sitting at nine and one. Playing for the West Championship. Didn't get it done. No excuses. Didn't get it done. Yeah, I was a little disappointed because we were ready to come out of the locker room. It's not about Bruce Arians. Take the. Don't tell me to. Bruce is making excuses. There you. We got to hear excuses. Hey, baby. Hey, baby. He was just getting to the. He was just making just getting to the ever just get to the good part. Don't you just are more. Yeah, I was a little disappointed because we were ready to come out of the locker room and take the field when we were told there's a five minute delay. Uh huh. I didn't sit very well with me. I bet it didn't. Yeah. So both guys don't make excuses. How about how about the fact that the McVeigh went so far as to say, yeah, it's just an emotional reaction. I was just mad like, dude, what is going on down there? So I did do some thinking about this, but we don't have time. I'll tell you what, we'll do it next. I'll tell you what. I do want to hear here for McDonald. I have a little theory on what's going on with Sean McVeigh and I think Seahawks fans will like it. And then Jeff Passon will join us at 8 30. We can talk through the Colt Emerson deal in the start to the season. Stick around for Brock and Salk sale sports on 7 10.