Meet the Nuclear Missile Guard Abducted by Aliens (ft. Richard Barth)

Well, I was assigned to a Minuteman missile, and I was on the night shift. And my job is just basically sit there and do nothing, really. And it was foggy. Next thing I know, I see this shadow in the fog. I'm looking ahead and I see the shadow, and I see a man, which appeared to be a man, emerge from the fog. But as it got closer, I realized this was not what it was. And I could feel it in my mind. I mean, it was like it started driving hold of me. For decades, there's been a strange and deeply unsettling pattern lurking beneath nuclear weapons and missile facilities worldwide. a pattern that almost no one wanted to talk about in an era of Cold War secrecy. Air Force officers whispered about it, and most of the people who lived it stayed silent. Until now, it's all coming out. Today's guest is Richard Barth. In 1964, he was an Air Force security guard, an air policeman, stationed at Vandenberg Air Force Base. Vandenberg wasn't some remote radar outpost or ghost station. This was the epicenter of American nuclear missile testing. Atlas missiles, Thor, Minuteman, Titan. This was the place the United States government went to actually learn whether its nuclear missiles worked. So naturally, something else was watching from above. And it happened to interact with our next guest. A figure emerging from the mist. A moment of absolute terror in seeing this figure's very foreign face. Loss of control. and then lost time. All of a sudden, Richard is taken. He wakes up hovering on a flying saucer with a few more beings overlooking the entire Vandenberg base. Richard is given a message, one that directly connects with other alien encounters by nuclear base employees. And perhaps most remarkably, this story happens on the exact same month of another Vandenberg UFO incident that you may already know. You see, Richard had his encounter in September of 1964. That same month, Bob Jacobs, a photo instrumentation lead, caught video of a UFO that seemed to encircle an Atlas missile, targeted with lasers. We've spoken to Jacobs, and this is a case we discuss all of the time on this show. We could see clearly on film, the nose cones separate, and then we saw the dummy warhead, and suddenly into that frame, an object flew in, chasing the warhead and so on at the same speed. Didn't they delete your records from the government as well? People denied that you worked at Vandenberg? Is that right? They denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. And between Bob Jacobs and Richard Barth, it looks like while we were testing nuclear missiles in September of 1964 on Vandenberg Air Force Base, Something else was testing missile defense and deterrence. This interview raises some very uncomfortable questions about access, surveillance, and intent on our most advanced weapons capabilities. And it leaves us with possibilities that are far more strange and destabilizing than are we alone. This episode isn't about believing. It's about listening carefully. Because whatever is going on at our nuclear bases doesn't seem random. And it doesn't seem finished with us. Between 2003 and 2005, five UAP incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base. So without further ado, please enjoy this courageous testimony from this week's American alchemist, Richard Barth. I'm here with Richard Barth, and this is an honor. I really appreciate you driving to L.A. to speak with me. Robert Hastings is one of my favorite journalists in the UFO space. He's written an amazing book called UFOs and Nukes, and he is the premier chronicler of all of these amazing veterans who were stationed at nuclear bases across the United States, often with, you know, pretty high clearances, experiencing tic-tacs, saucers, orbs, UFOs all over these bases. and sometimes nuclear missiles get shut down. All sorts of anomalies occur on the bases. And in a few cases, like yours, you actually experience a close encounter of the third kind where you see beings and you experience communication with those beings. And so it's an honor to speak with you and I really appreciate you sharing your story. What made you decide to come out now? I was listening to Coast to Coast one night and it happened to be Droppler at Hastings, although at the time I didn't know, but something just compelled me to call in. He was talking about USO's nukes, and I had this experience that I had pretty much kept to myself for quite a while. And it just seemed that, you know, the guy seemed so credible that maybe he might be interested in my particular story. So I called up, and I was very fortunate. I got right on. And I explained to the person that monitors the call, and he put me right in. And we got through about half my story, and then we got cut off somehow. Last question he asked me, is I aware of any lost time? Lost time? Yeah, he wanted to know if I had any lost time during the event, and I was going to answer him, and everything just went blank. There's no response, and I didn't know how to get back on, so I kind of dropped it. But it brought it to the forefront of this discredibility of Bob Hansen that really triggered it. So you called into Coast to Coast and you got through a lot of your story. Then the call dropped. But that brought that to the fore and to the mind of Robert Hastings, who wanted to follow up on it. Actually, before that, I had read Whitney Streber's book. and it seemed credible to me, but it also made my experience seem more credible to myself. You got to kind of understand that when something like this happens to you, you question yourself, was this real or was this something that, you know, I imagined or it's so much part of you that you accept it as real, but you still question it. How did you end up at Vandenberg Air Force Base in 1964? Okay, I wasn't doing well in college at the time, and so I decided I was going to join the Air Force, and I went to the recruiter. And I had actually been a pre-med major, and so I asked about going into medical corps. And he said, well, you've got two years of college. He said, would you consider being a navigator? And I said, I love flying, but I need four years of college to get commissioned or do anything like that. So he had asked me, would I be interested? They had a navigation course that had opened up that the requirements were that you can get in with two years of college. And I said, yeah, I love flying. I'd love to fly if I could fly. So I said, why don't you go down and take the test and see how you do? They sent me down to L.A., and I passed that. So I said, well, you're in. All we've got to do is find you a class. So I waited about three or four months for a class to open up for me to get into. And I was doing quite well until I got to Celestial Navigation. And I didn't know it at the time, but I had, like, dyslexia. And what was making things bad for me was not on the academics, which I was high on, but I would transpose my numbers, especially when I got under pressure. And a 1-2-3, 1-23 would become a 1-32, which is a significant navigation error. Well, you do three practice missions, then a test mission, and I failed the first test mission. And then they will send you again, and that will allow you to do another test mission. and I failed that one, and so I was basically washed out of the class. When I had joined, one of the conditions of joining was that you went in under a selective service requirement, which was basically two years with some reserve time to follow. And if you didn't pass a class, you would go on that reserve status and just finish out your two years and go on reserve status. Otherwise, if you passed, you would be commissioned. You would sign up for an additional four years, and you would actively be in the Air Force as a navigator. Well, I just opted. I was going to get out. So that left, well, I've got 13 months left of my selected service requirement. And so they didn't want to put me in a position that required a lot of training, and so guards don't require a lot of training. And I can pick something that was relatively close to home. I lived in Los Angeles. Vandenberg Air Force Base was up the coast above Santa Barbara. about a four-hour drive, and that seemed, well, I might off time and go home and be with my friends and family. So that seemed okay with me. I thought I can deal with it. So you were a missile security guard, or what's the exact title? Yeah, I'm listed as air policeman, but I was assigned to the 4392nd Combat Defense Squadron, and we were essentially guards. We didn't wear the blue uniforms. We were fatigued, and we carried a .38 pistol. And we just basically stood on post all day, and there wasn't much training involved other than weapons training. What are the types of things that you guarded on the base? We had the missile maintenance where they assembled the missiles themselves. That was a large hangar. The missiles would be on their sides. The stages would be mated with each other. where electronics guidance would be in, and then they would take them out to the actual silo or launch sites where they fueled them and fired them. You'd guard like a crypto room where cryptographic information came in, particularly at night when nobody was there. They were locked rooms, but they wanted a guard on there. And frankly, we guarded things that didn't need guarding. A lot of these missiles at Vandenberg, a lot of these missiles were set up by the manufacturer, like Boeing would do the Minuteman, Douglas would do the Thor, and Lockheed would do the Agena stage, Convair would do the Atlas missiles. And those were the four missiles we had. most of the three missiles the Thor, the Atlas were obsolete basically but they were great for launching satellites and you can get the Thor was a lightweight missile intermediate range actually not ICBM and it was good for setting spy satellites because it can get them into the low altitude that they wanted in 100 to 150 miles. That's where you took your pictures from. If you had something heavier, you'd put it on an Atlas. Thor was very similar to the Redstone that they launched Alan Shepard on. It was just for to loop him up into space and come down, but then they moved, for the remainder of the flights, they moved to the Atlas missile, which was a two-stage missile, which was much more powerful and can get the orbits much higher than that. And then later they did the Titan missile, which was an ICBM, liquid-fueled. And a good thing about the Titan is the Atlas missile required pumping in oxygen and hydrogen just prior to launch, which took time, so that you had to do an immediate launch. You could have 15, 20 minutes just fueling the missile before you launched it. The Titan fuels were not refrigerated fuels, and that missile could sit in the silo, fueled and ready to go, and could be launched immediately. So the Titan was an advance over the Atlas, plus it was a much more powerful missile and could carry much larger warheads. We call them re-entry vehicles, but they were basically warheads, the atomic warhead. One thing about Vandenberg Air Force Base is that it was not a primary nuclear base. And the reason was it was too easy to take out. It was right on the ocean. You can drop an atomic bomb right in the ocean, right next to it. You just add up a tidal wave or a tsunami, wipe out the base, and the base becomes useless. So it was too easy a target for nuclear. But we were right on the ocean, and we had the Pacific Test Range, and it was a great place to fire missiles down over the ocean, downrange. See, like the Minutemen. The Minutemen were all stationed inland, far inland, in Montana, Moffitt Air Force Base or Malstom Air Force Base, and spread out quite a part because they were difficult targets that way. They were spread out and they were well inland. Trouble is you couldn't launch a missile from there because there was always a possibility that missile would land on somebody's cow or even a city, even worse. But we could launch over from Vandenberg Air Force Base and then we could bring the crew out for the launch and they can actually launch a missile. But there's other things that could be tested, like the amount of, you know, these were solid fuel. Minuteman was solid fuel. And that fuel would sit there for a couple of years. Well, what was the integrity of the fuel after a couple of years? You could test that because all missiles are launched on inertial guidance. In other words, once you send them off, they're on their own. The course is set. And the main reason for that is you can send a missile to the moon and you can make mid-course changes, but you don't want to do that because the enemy can make mid-course changes and get your missile off target. So once the missile was programmed to a certain trajectory and once it was fired, it was on its own. And so if the fuel was not, the integrity of the fuel was degraded, it might not get to the target or as close to the target as you wanted to. So that was one of the things we wanted to test and also give the crew a chance to fire the missile. Do you, I mean, clearly you are right now displaying extensive knowledge of all of these missile systems in a way that to me, unless you, you know, went back and read a bunch of textbooks before this interview. I think it shows that you were at Vandenberg Air Force Base, but for the hardcore skeptics in the audience, you can provide your DD-214 service records. You can give them to me if possible. You have photos of them and stuff. Yeah, I gave it to Robert Hastings. Robert Hastings. Robert Hastings. And that was one thing. You know, he's very, very thorough. When you read his book, each case is well documented, is thorough. when he vets each person that he interviews. He's extremely thorough. Extremely, and so he's extremely. And he called three separate friends of yours, right, to corroborate that you told them the same details that you told him. His interest was that this is not something I had made up recently, you know, with all this stuff coming out and just wanted to get on the bandwagon. And you've made no money off of this story. No, I had no intention. In fact, when I wrote originally, when I did an email to Robert Salas, which was the first one I tried to contact, the reason being is that my experience was two years prior to Robert Salas's. When I heard him interviewed, I thought he might be interested. Well, the really interesting thing, Robert Salas, that's interesting. Did he get back to you or? Not right away. He did. And then he didn't follow up. But when I wrote him, I said, I'm not interested in money. I'm not interested in writing a book. But I think there's a relationship between my experience and your experience, in other words. Well, I want to get into that relationship after we get into the core details of your experience. But I think even more relevant than Bob Salas, who had an extremely interesting experience with 10 missiles shutting down at Malmstrand Air Force Base. He's at Oscar Flight Launch Center underneath, underground. And this red glowing object is hovering above ground and seems to that seems to correlate with these 10 missiles going offline. Strategic Air Command wrote up a whole write up saying we're baffled and confused as to this happening around, I think, the Echo Flight incident, which was eight days before. And then a targeting officer, Bob Jamison, who is a colleague of Salas's, went in to check as to, you know, why did these 10 missiles go down? Is it possible they just malfunctioned? That doesn't happen. Very rarely does a missile malfunction. And I don't think any much more rare would be two at the same time, but never 10. And so you had all this interesting kind of activity going on at Malmstrand Air Force Base. But that was in 1967. Yeah. What I find interesting about your experience is that was, what was it, September? September 64. 1964 at Vandenberg Air Force Base. Did you know that Bob Jacobs, who was a photo instrumentation specialist, also stationed there at the same time as you, has an honor? I do now, but I did not then. Yeah, you did not then. So that's amazing. Because this guy was, basically they were testing an Atlas missile with a dummy warhead. Right. And he was basically stationed at Big Sur. And he was supposed to kind of, you know, telescope the object and photograph it. They wanted him to film the missile from the side rather than straight on. Because you go to Vandermeer and you're just watching it go straight on. He can watch the projectile from the side. Major management called and he said, tomorrow morning at 0600, get ready because we're launching an Atlas missile and we want you to photograph that with the big BU telescope. I went, okay. So at 0600, we were up and ready to go and an Atlas missile popped up through the ground fog that was covering the whole coastline all the way down there. It was beautiful. We took the film back to Vandenberg where it was processed. and a day later I got a call from Major Mansman who said come up to my office. So I went to his office and he said there was a movie screen set up and a 16mm projector and there was Major Mansman and as I recall two guys in gray suits. On the screen was the film we had shot. We could see clearly on film the nose cones separate, and then we saw the dummy warhead. And suddenly, into that frame, an object flew in, chasing the warhead and so on at the same speed. It's going between 6,000 and 8,000 miles an hour at that point. And it fired a beam of light at the dummy warhead. the object flew up like this, shot another beam of light at the dummy warhead, went around like this, shot another beam of light at it, went down like this, shot a beam of light like this, and then flew out the same way to come in. At which time, the dummy warhead did this and fell out of the frame. The lights came on, and Major Mansman said to me, were you guys screwing around and I said, no sir. And he said, what was that? And I said it looks like we got a UFO And he said Lieutenant Jacobs you are never to speak of this again It never happened And then these two guys in tweed jackets in the back room while he watching they basically go up to him They say, you know, you are now sworn to secrecy. And if you say anything about this, you're going to be in real trouble. And then they proceed to, because he tells his story later, they delete his records from the government. Didn't they delete your records from the government as well? People denied that you worked at Vandenberg. Is that right? They denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force. In another inquiry, they denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs at Vandenberg Air Force Base. I was certainly denied there was ever anybody named Robert Jacobs in charge of the 1369th Photographic Union Division that I ran. You managed over 100 people, so it's pretty easy to corroborate. Yeah, I had 134 guys working for me and I had two friends from college who were my commanding people. And I also have something called a DD-14. I have records here. My officer efficiency reports are in there. I can't get rid of stuff. My wife keeps saying, clear that shit out of your file cabinet over there, Bob. I go, no, I might use it. And sure enough, it's turned out to be valuable in defending myself against the infamy of the CIA. But we didn't have a launch on that day. There was no Atlas launch that day. Well, goddamn well, there was because Robert found the files from Vanderbilt in that particular launch in detail. So they also scrubbed the launch itself from the records? Correct, never happened. Wow. It never happened. And your mailbox was blown up as well, right? My wife and I had been out to a movie. We came back from the movie about 10 o'clock at night, and there was a message on my answering machine. And it said, fireworks in your mailbox at night. Oh, what a beautiful sight. You're going down, motherfucker. And my mailbox blew up. I live on a farm. I had a rural mailbox. It's an explosion. My mailbox blew up. I took that quite seriously. I bought an ammunition for my gun. And then Florence Mansman, his major, his superior, eventually is tracked down by, I think, Bob Hastings and some other researchers, and in the 90s admits that he did manage Bob Jacobs. So it's this crazy story. And that happened at the same time you had an experience. Right. Bob Hastings put me in touch with Bob Jacobs. As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iRestore LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. 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Again, iristore.com code jesse25 red light therapy has really been a game changer for me so i hope you love it because it did occur at the same time so he gave me bob jacobs phone number i call bob jacobs we discussed this i had an additional experience when i was at vandenberg and i was i was uh able to watch a minute, not a minute, I was able to watch an Atlas launched, and it had gone up. Now, I'm underneath the missile at this time, at Vandenberg, rather than from the side, and I'm watching this missile, and it's staged, but before it staged, that means the first stage dropped off, second stage took off, this yellow orb came over and tracked the missile. It didn't go around it or anything. It tracked it. Then it staged, and then it's continued tracking, which meant it wasn't a fuel leak. Besides, if it was a fuel leak, it might have blown up. And I had relayed that, and then Bob Jake thought maybe I had witnessed what he had witnessed, but the timing was not right. First of all, when he saw the missile launch, he saw it come up through the clouds. Well, this was a cloudless day when I saw what I saw. He saw his bad experience in September. It was closer to May when I saw this happen. Now, you know, I don't know. I had asked one of the sergeants down on the launch site the next day what happened with that missile, and he just told me if I was wise, I would keep my mouth shut. Wow. And I did just that. I kept my mouth shut. So you had already seen essentially a UFO, which I think at the time they used to call tagalongs because they would often track missile trajectories. That's what he did. It stayed right with the missile. That's amazing. And in 1963, we have another example of an F-8 Atlas missile being tracked by this sort of tagalong. And it's even in the report. And this was, I believe, a month or two before the Bluegill triple prime test in, I think, September of 1963. The sergeant told me if I was wise, I keep my mouth shut. And I figured I'm wise. I'm going to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to get into any of the problems that, you know, I was getting out soon in May. I was going to get out in June. I just wanted to get out and leave it alone. So that's fascinating because in May of 1964, you see this sort of tag along UFO. And September of 1964, Bob Jacobs, unbeknownst to you during this test on video, sees a UFO shoot a dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky. And then I want to get to this is the, you know, kind of the core experience that you had was also in September of 1964. My core experience was in September. And what happened then? Well, I was assigned to a Minuteman missile. I was assigned to a Minuteman missile site. And the guard shack is right next to the gate. There's a fence around the missile site. And it's got ATT alarms on it. Do nothing, really. The site itself is well lit. It has like a stadium lighting up there, and it's rolled in. And I was on the night shift, and it was foggy. And so that kind of appeared like a dome over me. You could probably see 30, 40 feet from where the guard shack was. And I could see the missile site behind me, but if I looked straight ahead, I just saw a wall of fog. Basically, a sergeant had come and delivered a lunch, which would have been 2 o'clock in the morning on average, your night shift. And so the timing would have been right around 2 o'clock because the sergeant had just left. And so I'm sitting there, and next thing I know, I see this shadow in the fog. I'm looking ahead, and I see the shadow. And I see a man, which appeared to be a man or humanoid figure, emerge from the fog. And I thought, well, what the heck? Did the sergeant walk back? And that's my first thing. Well, the sergeant walked back and I couldn't figure why. But then the next thing, this figure kept coming towards me. Now, it had like a trench coat on. Really? Very similar to the raincoats that were issued to the officers. And he had a cap on, which could have—so my next thing, well, I wonder if there's some officer checking up on me. But as it got closer, I realized this was not what it was. And I could feel it in my mind. I mean, it was like it started driving hold of me, and I became really frightened. And as it approached me, I tried to pull my pistol. We had 38 police as part of our gear, and I tried to pull my pistol, and my right arm was paralyzed. I couldn't move it. I could move my body, but I couldn't move my arm. And I became more terrified. And it became closer to me. Something, I can't see the face in my brain. If I try to see this face, I can't see it. It's a blank. But whatever it was was terrifying me. And whatever it was had control of at least my right arm. And I was standing just outside the shack, and I backed into the shack, just instinctively, I guess. And I got myself back to the back of the shack, and there was nowhere else to go. And the figure continued coming towards me. And there was a shelf at the back. There was a telephone on there, and it was just a shelf. And I can remember distinctly pushing my back into that shelf and trying to push the back of the shack out. I was like a rat caught in a trap. And the terror was just, I couldn't describe how, I was just terrified. The next thing I know, I'm out, you know, and I don't know if I passed out or it's just blank at that point. And so then I come to, and I'm inside this, it's a circular room. I'm not going to call it craft because I didn't see it from the outside, but I'm in this circular room. And I'm on my knees, and there's about a two-and-a-half, three-foot circle that's clear. You can see through it. and there's this figure on my right-hand side, and it's communicating to me, don't look at me, don't look over here, just look through the circle. And, you know, it's weird because it's not words. You know what it wants. It's like he's, it's very definitely a command, but it's not in words, but you know what, you know, I don't know how other people have this psychic thought process or anything like that. But one thing, it was not words. It was just I knew I was not to look at them, you know, just look at the circle. So I'm looking at the circle, and what you see initially is just this gray fog, basically. One of the things I noticed at the time is that I would expect a breeze or something cold to be coming through, and it wasn't. It was like there was a barrier, but it wasn't like glass. It was just clear. And all of a sudden, this kind of clears away like clouds splitting. And there's a post about 100 yards down the street on the opposite side of the room. Now, I'm on site D5. And this is site D11, which is across the street down there. I'm familiar with the site. I don't know which one it was. It's easily identifiable by the side of the street and the orientation. and it's just getting light, and I can see this truck pull up to the gate, and it was a flatbed truck, a long flatbed truck. It had a lot of long pipes on it, and the guard came over to the right side of the truck and obviously was getting ID or checking whether he was driving, went over, opened the gate, let the truck in, and then the clouds closed up. and so I'm still looking through this hole, and I'm still just, you know, just keep looking through the hole, and I kind of raised my eyes to look around without looking over, and there were the opposite me about six, ten feet away were these four figures sitting on a bench, and I could see that the wall of the craft, but I'll call it a craft now, I could see that the bench was just a continuation of the material of whatever the wall was. And whatever lighting was in there, the figures were celebrated, like the light source was behind or from the wall, but very, very consistent. I mean, there wasn't like bright lights or anything. Effectively, the room was pretty dark. So the figure seemed silhouetted. It appeared to me like a baby had a large head and smaller body disproportionate. The eyes were discernible because they were darker than the skin features or whatever. A lot of people say they were, you know, these creatures or creatures, beings, whatever, were some sort of suit or something like that. I couldn't really tell that. basically a silhouette with just slight features available. And there were two on one side and two on the other side with a space in between that I took to be some sort of door out of this room or something like that. And that's about it. I mean, that's next thing I know. I'm laying on the floor of the guard shack. There's like a little porch right in front of the door to the guard shack, and I'm laying with my feet off the porch on the ground, and this being is sitting on the porch and has my head at its lap. And it's saying to me, it's communicating again, it's communicating, I'm sorry, you know, we didn't mean to scare you. He says, we just, you know, we didn't mean to scare you, but we had to have access to the site. So we needed the intelligence, is what I was gathering out of this form of communication. They just needed access to the site, and I was in the way. And so I really felt comfortable. I felt like, well, this is okay. He's not going to hurt me. So I was fine. But the other thing was to keep my eyes tightly shut. It did not want me to look at it or see it. Keep your eyes shut, you know. And I apologize. I'm sorry that we scared you so much, but we needed to have access, and you were in the way. And he says, no, I'm going to leave, and I want you to just keep your eyes shut. Just, you know, don't get up. Don't do anything. Just stay there with your eyes shut. And he left. And I did just what he said. I laid there for maybe 15 minutes with my eyes shut, and I was glad to see them go, frankly. Then I finally got up and looked around, and the sun was just—it had come over the—there's a ridge of mountains behind the—what we call D-sector, probably a quarter of a mile back. and the sun was coming up over that ridge. And if you look towards the ocean, you could see the light coming, you know, lighting up the ocean. It was kind of a beautiful sight. And I looked over to my right, and there was a little chipmunk on the ground. And I have never—I just felt so much love for that little chipmunk, you know. I felt like I was joined with that chipmunk, you know, one living creature to another. and the little chipmunk kind of just looked back at me and kind of scurried away. About 20, 30 minutes later, the time would be probably around 6, 37 o'clock, my relief came. Now, the missile's 50, 60 yards off the main road, and there's a little road that goes to the missile site. and my relief came down, relieved me, and then they were all delivered by these Air Force blue pickup trucks, four-door pickup trucks, basically. And I could have gotten a four-door seat in the back. I could have gotten inside, but I didn't want to. I got in back, and I put my back to the cab of the truck, and I pulled my feet up, and then they went and picked up the other guards, and I was just real quiet and they were asking me what's wrong. And I knew something had happened, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Something profound happened, and I was confused. And it was cold because it had been a foggy morning until the sun came up and kind of burned it off, but it was still cold. And I was just trying to watch what happened. You know, I couldn't figure it out. And by the time I got back to base, well, I couldn't remember anything. Now, I didn't remember this particular thing until two weeks later, roughly two weeks later. And I was aware that something had happened, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I'd try to put it aside, and it was just something that nagged at me. But then I got up in the morning, apparently on the day shift because it was early morning. And all of a sudden, and you know, I've heard of paralysis sleep where people have these experiences. I wasn't paralyzed. I woke up and all of a sudden I got flooded with this whole experience that I just told you. And it wasn't a dream, I could tell you. It was so real. I've never had a dream like that before, and I've never had that happen since. It was real, and I knew it was real. And I mixed some Venetian blinds, and I picked them up and kind of looked out. The sun was shining. And I looked over, and my roommate was asleep, and I kept thinking, God, what's this? I need to tell somebody. This is critical. 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It has a separate access door to it. And inside there, they were big old computers back in those days. See, when the missile gets the launch command, then that's it. in order to keep somebody from sabotaging it or stopping the launch, everything takes place in that little room. And that's where the crew does the maintenance on the missile and everything like that. There's a door that actually opens into the silo. And so they needed to get in that room and probably to those computers and launch things. That's where I'm thinking that they got the data. That's basically what I'm speculating. They used the shack essentially as a point of access for this? No, no. Okay. I was at the shack, and they just needed me out of the way, basically. And as he came towards me and I passed out, I was out of the way. So you were just between him and this electronics room, essentially? Well, there's a fence with the ADT that I'm in front of the fence. Got it. So somehow they got through the ADT and got into the crew access area and down into— I have to assume because I'm passed out at this point. But he did say or communicate that they needed the data from the missile. So my assumption is they got down in that crew area and got whatever data they needed. The first being you see has a trench coat on and looks like this shadowy silhouette. Yeah. No, he's, I just can't remember its face. Okay. So kind of hard to just recall. The face terrified me. I know the face terrified me. I can't tell you what it was because I don't think my brain wants to remember, but it terrified me. I don't know that was the guys or I have no idea what it was, but it terrified me. Yeah. I know how terrified it was. You can't dream. I don't think you can dream that kind of terror. It's like a rat that's trapped in a corner by the cat. But it was wearing human clothing, a trench coat. It was very humanoid. I mean, humanoid, probably 5'10", probably very human. And the trench coat didn't seem otherworldly. No, it wasn't otherworldly. That's what made me think it might have been an officer. Yeah. And so maybe he was kind of in disguise or something. Yeah. You know, I didn't know what was going on. That was my first impression. But then when my arm was paralyzed and I felt him in control, he had control of me. I say he, but he had control of me. I'm assuming it was—I mean, I'd read it as a male figure because they're trench coat. Women don't wear trench coats. And originally I thought it was an officer. Then I realized it was something else. And then as it moved towards me, it had control of me, and then I couldn't pull my weapon. Oh, and I tried to scream because I wanted to scream. And all I could get is a little, ah! I couldn't even scream. Wow. And then I remember my back pressing into that shelf and then blank. Do they look like the typical classic gray alien? No, it was more like a baby set. It didn't have—I don't recall ears. I know there was no hair. You could tell that even in silhouette. I mean, it was a round head with big eyes. But gray aliens have large heads proportionate to their body. These were different in some way than the typical gray. I visualize this. The chin was not pointed. You see so many pictures of pointed chins. It looked like a baby's head. Interesting. And one of the things, the necks were like a baby's neck. You know, you see pictures of the aliens with these thin necks and the big head. Yeah. Those necks couldn't hold that heavy. You know, the necks were proportionate, like our necks. You know, they're round enough and strong enough to hold up this big head. What color was their skin? Well, to me, it was just all dark. I mean, it was just dark. It was, like I say, a cello, maybe dark gray or... But hard to tell because the lighting was low. The lighting was obviously backlighting of some sort. And they're communicating to you, don't look. No, they're not doing anything. They're not communicating. They're watching me. Okay. They're just watching me. So the other figure that... The other figure, the humanoid figure. The humanoid figure. That's the one that did all the communication. Okay. Okay. And that one is communicating don't look as soon as— That's the one saying don't look. That's as soon as you're in the craft. He's saying don't look, don't look. Don't look. Just keep looking through the hole. That's all it was. And you're looking through the hole, but then at some point you see these four— Well, when they closed up oversight D11, then I raised my eye. I didn't lift my head. I raised my eyes. So my view is, you know, through the top and end up, but I could see towards the wall and I could see the four figures. You mentioned being extremely afraid around the original humanoid figure. What did you feel when you're in the presence of these four beings? I feel very comfortable. I felt everything was okay. I wasn't afraid. I wasn't just everything was okay. It was almost to a point I'm just curious what's happening, but no fear at that point. The fear that terror had gone away. Did you ever have the thought, why am I not afraid? Because this is an extremely anomalous experience I'm having. Yeah, and I also wondered why it was, I felt so comfortable. I was just comfortable, you know. It was like I was experiencing something like that, but almost like I'm not, like I'm viewing myself almost. I mean, I wasn't viewing myself. It was from my own. Were they making you feel comfortable, do you think? Or obviously this is your interpretation. They may have, you know, there's a blank period between passing out in the shed and waking, you know, or coming to in the vessel now. They could have given me a sedative or used telepathy to make me feel comfortable because it went from one extreme to comfortable. And then on the guard shack floor to ecstasy. You know, I felt so good sitting, you know, with my head on this lap, you know, like I just felt wonderful. You know, if I were to relate it to something, I'd say, because of my background, it would be a baby suckling at its mother's breast. You know, that just nice and warm and comfortable and mommy's there and I feel okay. The world's okay. And the world is good. And then it did say, and it goes back to your original question, did he say anything else? Yes. Or community thing, yes. is that they're not going to let it go to nuclear war. They needed to stop these missiles from launching. They were trying to get the data on how to, which was their task then, and that they weren't going to allow these missiles to be launched. They weren't allowed us to go to nuclear war. In essence, that Earth was important to them. And then there was another thing that not every species, there were more than one species and there weren't all as benevolent as they were, this creature. It's like, you know, and if push came to shove, there could be some real issues over who's going to control, you know, once they take, at that point, once they stop all the missiles, they're going to take over the sense I got. So there are multiple non-human species. This species happens to be sort of doing a recon on the nuclear codes and how things work, and they're presenting themselves as benevolent. And do you trust, you know, coming away from the experience that they were benevolent? Yeah. I think I just lucked out. Did they say which species they came from? didn't tell me any of that. It's just basically that the earth was, the sense was, look, this is a plan that's important to us, and we're not going to let you destroy it. And if push comes to shove, we're going to intervene. The love that you felt for the chipmunk, was that representative of some larger flooding of love that you felt for all beings? Yeah, it was like I had this feeling of ecstasy while I was laying on the lap of the being. And then it just carried over. Once he left, I kept my eyes shut for a while. And then I got up and there's this chipmunk sitting there. And I just felt this connection. I just love that little chipmunk. And I felt connected to it. Like, you know, here's another living being. and we're part of the, there was no separation. We were in the same, we were just living beings and there was something good about that, you know. I know it was dark, but what did the room look like if you had to describe it? Do you remember the walls? All I can say is that, okay, the walls were grayish, okay, which fell away. So there was the lighting in the room. I don't know how much came through the hole in the floor or how much was backlighting on the wall. However, the figures were backlit because they were silhouetted. So the walls must have had some sort of condescence that made them put the figures in the silhouette that I was looking at. I could distinguish the eyes as large, but not all of shape, like you see in a lot of the typical pictures. They were just big eyes and dark, darker than, say, the skin. Did the room look indistinguishable from something man-made? Oh, no, it was man-made. The room itself looked like it could have been molded. Yeah. If I were to say just one giant piece of plastic, you know, one giant piece of gray plastic. Well, that doesn't sound man-made to me. I don't think it is. Well, it might not be. I mean, well, there's a difference between artificially constructed by deliberately and man-made, human-made. Oh, you're talking human-made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It had to be an awfully big mold. I mean, you know, you're talking a room that's maybe 15 feet across. Why did it look molded? Because of the bench. Okay. The bench that the four entities were sitting on. And you could see they were silhouetted. They were very dark, but the wall and the material was grayish. So I could see the material. And also the floor was concave. In other words, they were elevated somewhat above where I was on my knees down there. Any seams or rivets or—so it was sort of smooth and— It was smooth, even to the point, it looked like I could fall through that hole if I got too close. I mean, it looked like a hole. Yeah. But there was no, it was just the rim, but there was no, you know, there's not like a seam or anything. Like it was part of the same material, except it was transparent. So it looked, it sounds like a classic saucer that you hear in other alien abduction stories. I guess so. at the time, I didn't know what other, especially from the inside, you know. Yeah. Have you looked into any other stories that sort of align with yours? It's hard to find anything that describes the inside. I mean, you know, I hear these bright lights, and these creatures obviously didn't want bright lights, you know, they have big eyes. The room was dark, and you hear people, well, they wake up in this room, and it's all lit up and it's bright and it doesn't seem consistent to me then because if you're going to have big eyes you must be dark adapted from wherever you come from what time of day was this you were taken in the morning is that right okay it started right after the launch was delivered which would put it about two o'clock okay okay uh when i'm on the in the morning when i'm looking through the hole, well, it's light enough to see what's going on on the ground. Like just sunrise, basically. Just kind of like dawn, you know, not well lit, but enough that you can discern. I could see the truck. I could see it was loaded with pipes. I could see the guard walk over to the window. I could see them open the gate and the truck drive in. That was all. But it was like not, you know, it wasn't a sunshine lit scene. The sunshine came when I looked and saw the chick monk, and the sun was actually coming over that bridge of mountains. And it was kind of pretty because if you look towards the ocean, then you could see the ocean kind of with a kind of yellow color to it. And it felt so good, you know. I mean, I'm sitting here and everything just felt good. And so this whole event was morning to like afternoon-ish? No, the whole event was like 2 a.m. to— Oh, 2 a.m. Okay, 2 a.m. to probably 6 a.m. I'm not sure when sunrise is, but— Got it. So there's two—and that's when Bob Hastings asked me over the original, when he was on George Norrie, when I got cut off, He had asked me about a gap in time, and I had not thought about that gap in time. But between 2 a.m. and the time the entity came to me and, say, 5.36 in the morning, well, there's a gap. And I had never even considered that. And that's when I got caught off because I was just going to say, hey, I had considered that. So there's a gap. Now, what went on in that gap? We're talking, say, 2.30 to 6. That's three-some-odd hours, you know. That's more than what I'm describing to you. So I have no idea what went on. So maybe some lost time. It's lost time, definitely. You know, I have my friend Lonnie that is a doctorate in psychology, and I had told her about this, oh, 20-some-odd years ago. And one of her specialties is regressive hypnosis. But she didn't want to put me through regressive hypnosis because when I was relating, she thought I was so upset. She felt this wasn't her pay grade, you know, to deal with somebody that, you know, with past lives, she didn't deal with experiences like I had. When you are guarding this shack from like... We were supposed to make a call when the missile was in the silo. We were supposed to make a call every half hour to command post. But we didn't because it was just a given. Call me in the morning. They were supposed to log it. Well, they logged it all night long. They slept. We didn't sleep. But we didn't want to get caught sleeping. But if you were in command post, nobody can get into command post without going through knocking on doors and everything like that. So they would take turns sleeping. They would log all the calls. And we would just fool around, you know. And it was boring. You know, you got there in the middle of the night. It's dark and foggy. You're nothing to do. You can't even read because we sneak books on some of the sites. But you couldn't even—at Minuteman, it was too dark. Even with the bright light, you couldn't—because the light was focused on the silo itself, on the launch complex. And, you know, you have a little light like one of these up here, barely lit. So basically, we all hated Minuteman. Every one of us hated Minuteman. And sometimes we'd get, we had phones because they would call in from, we'd had to make the call into a command post. So we'd call each other. When you're in this room or UFO, saucer, whatever it is, and you're hovering above the base, do you see what they're trying to do or monitor? I don't know why they showed me that. It's just like they could. They were trying to show me I was in a craft, I guess, and show me something that I'd be familiar with. Do you know what day in September this might have been? No, no, because it was two weeks later when the full memory came back. And then, so I couldn't tell you what particular—I probably could have at the time. Did you tell anybody at the base? Oh, God, no. Did you know of any UFO activity at Vandenberg Air Force Base at the time? At the time. You know, all the scuttlebutt was—if you went out to D-Sector, which is 20 miles away from the base, and your scuttlebutt, you know, to scare the new guys was Bigfoot's out there, and he's going to get you. But there was nothing about UFOs or even talk about it that I know. Do you ever speculate that the UFO you were in was the same UFO that maybe shot the dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky in Bob Jacobs' case? They're just too close together, September, September. So this was at night. Bob Jacobs was in the daytime. But I'm sure the activity was coordinated. It could have been the same craft. Could have been, I don't know what their structure is out there, how many of them there are. Have you seen any UFOs since then or had any direct contact experiences with things? Not direct contact. We were on Fourth of July, where I live. The park is along a wash, and it's a great place to watch the Fourth of July fireworks. 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Again, that's covepure.com slash American Alchemy for $200 off for a limited time only. You couldn't perceive it without the binoculars, but I could see it was side to side. And I handed the binoculars to another guy and he said, look at this. Is that moving? And he says, yeah, it's moving. So then he gave back to me and it goes, it starts into a zigzag. And then it goes into a zigzag, and then it kind of shot off towards the north, so there was no real interaction. And I said to this friend, I said, that's a UFO. And so he was kind of skeptical, but I said, well, Roger, it's something identified. We don't know what it is, and it's up there in the sky, so it's a UFO item. I'll tell you it's a flying saucer, but it's very unique. That was the only other time something. And there were like five of us that witnessed that. Is there anything else worthy of relaying that you haven't told me about the Corps experience in 1964 in September? No, because to me it's three segments. It was initially the entity coming out of the fog and the terror I felt inside the craft. We'll call it craft. And then on the floor of the guard shack and waking up and looking at the chipmunk, you know, when it came flashing back, that's when I went back and tried to put the time together, like getting on the truck and knowing why I felt so odd when I got on the truck. Well, it was because I had this experience, but it was fading, you know. And by the time I got back to base, it was gone. Although there was this nagging feeling that I knew something had happened, but I couldn't tell you what. It really nagged at me. It was an uncomfortable feeling. Something happened, but I don't know what. Did you have any physical marks or chips implanted or anything like that? No, not that I know of. I could tell you, and I don't know if it relates or not. But I recall at one time, I had like a sinus deal, and I blew my nose, and a BB came out. There was a little round ball with a flat side on it. Really? Yeah. But I didn't correlate that to that experience at all. I didn't connect it. Well, when was that? Oh, probably a few years later, you know. But that's really interesting. Yeah, it is now that I look back. A metal BB came out of your nose. Out of my nose, yeah. And I believe the nose is one of the most common places that people have sort of implants. I didn't connect at all. I just was, I thought maybe when I was a kid. Bob Hastings himself, who wrote UFOs and Nukes, is actually a UFO experiencer. And he wrote a book about this called Confessions. And he talks about an implant in his nose and then waking up with blood on his pillow. You did mention after the camping trip in 1988, you waking up with blood on your pillow. Did that have to do with anything that possibly was inserted in you? You know, there are implants that have been reported in certain abduction cases. I was aware of the concept of implants and people finding blood on, you know, their bed clothing and so on and so forth. I never felt the need for whatever reason to, you know, investigate that further. You know, I tried to get an x-ray. I mean, if you went to a doctor and said, you know, I think I have an alien implant in my head, would you x-ray me? I just wasn't prepared to go there. So, you know, I thought I might have something in my body, but I didn't really think about it. Well, in 2001, I believe it was, I was having breathing problems. I had a deviated septum. So I finally had some nasal surgery. And so I have that done to correct this problem. and I go in for the post-operation meeting with the doctor and he said, he was like I would say in his late 60s, early 70s. He was shaking his head literally and figuratively and he said, I found something in your right nostril that was so hard I almost couldn't break through it. He said it was the damnedest thing, you know, and he was saying, you know, I've done this for many years. I've never seen anything like it or encountered anything like it, whatever words he used. And, you know, I'm kind of rolling my eyes and going, Holy crap, I bet I know what it was. But what they do is they have a vacuum wand with a tube attached to a tank. And so they're roto-rooting your nose and getting cartilage out and cleaning up your nasal passages. So whatever was in there, they just sucked out and discarded. You know, to him, it was just some sort of biological anomaly. So he never saved it. So, you know, it was gone by the time, you know, he told me about that. I just did—it was quite a few years later. I didn't connect it. I just thought it was—I must have put that in there when I was a kid. It was—the only thing, it wasn't a copper BB. It was, like, chrome-plated or soap. Did you save it and test it or anything else? No, because I spit it, you know, into my hand, and I thought, oh, this must have been there for years, and I threw it away. Did you ever think, what is this doing up here? I thought I maybe snuck it in when I was a kid. You know, I didn't, kids stick things in their ears. I stuck stings in my ears and my nose. So that's what I related it to. But now, later, when they talk about implants, I think, well, it still could have been something I put in my nose when I was a kid, or it could have been an implant. I don't know. Did you ever do any sort of hypnotic regression or see any sort of psychiatrist about this? I kind of was hoping Lonnie would want to do it, but she didn't want to do it. Did you ever think that there was some sort of trickery involved and somebody was messing with your mind? No, it was too vivid, too real. Nobody could do what was done to me. Nobody could create that kind of terror. Nobody could evoke that kind of love. I mean, nobody could do that. That was supernatural, you know. It was, I mean, the terror, yeah, I was a rat trapped in a box, you know. But the love, nobody could do that. You mentioned Lonnie, your friend, who has hypnotic regression experience. So you told her about this experience, right? How many people have you told? How many friends have you told? I told, well, Lonnie was the wife of my best friend, and I told Mike, my best friend. And consequently, he had mentioned something to Lonnie that I gave her the whole story. And then I had told a couple of people that I kind of trusted that they weren't real close friends, but I had coffee with quite often. And I knew pretty well. I mean, we had a pretty good large group of guys that used to hang out at Starbucks and drink coffee and BS at night. Did you ever tell anybody who was stationed at the base with you at Vandenberg? No, no. Okay. I kept my, you know, it was, first of all, it was like if I wanted to, I don't think I could because it was like I was told not to. And not, you know, the beings had conditioned me or hypnotized me or something. I would try to, and then it was, don't, don't, you know, like. It was as if they still had some lingering control over you. Yeah, they had some control, and you don't say anything. Just keep your mouth shut. Because I tried several times. I wanted to. And I couldn't. Did you know anything about UFOs at the time prior to the experience? Well, you know, everybody heard of Barney Hill. And, you know, I had no real extensive knowledge of it. It wasn't, I mean, probably some, I've read stories, but I didn't focus on it or dwell on it or it wasn't a big deal to me, you know. Do you think about what happened to you now a lot, and do you think about the implications and meaning of what happened? All the time. And what conclusions have you drawn? Just that they're out there, they're not going to let us go to nuclear war, you know, and come hell or high water. And if they do, then it's their game, not ours anymore, you know. They'll leave us alone. I mean, this is the sense I got, that they would leave us alone unless we screwed up. What do you hope to achieve now by relaying your story to me? Hopefully, you know, hundreds of thousands of people at least get to hear your testimony. What do you hope they take away from it? Well, just one more. Like when I wrote Bob Salazar, I'm not in this for anything. It's just a piece of data that might be interesting to him. or anybody else. And just another piece to me is, you know, Robert Hastings' books got like 169 accounts in it. You know, if he updates it at number 170, this mine's a little more unique because he only has with me eight cases of the third kind. Closing hands of the third kind. So actually experiencing beings themselves. That's right. Only eight of his, you know, 167 some odd experiencers have had those experiences where they see beings. I do think, though, it's funny, I've had this conversation with Bob Hastings in the past where I say, did you systematically ask all of the whistleblowers who've just seen crafts whether they've seen beings themselves? And he said no. And so if eight people have volunteered that they've seen beings, you have to think that number is actually just much higher. Yeah, I assume it is. I mean, there's lots of people out there who said they've seen. There's always the issue, you know, how I could tell this story, and there's always going to be somebody who's going to want to debuck it. The first thing they're going to say, and has been said to me, well, you have no witnesses. You know, you were out there by yourself, so did you make this story up? or before George Norrie, you had? Art Bell. Art Bell, okay. There was somebody that had, I had called in on Art Bell, and I did get through, and basically he said, well, he would email me. He bought my email address, and that he would email me. He says, but if I find out you're screwing around or lying, he says, I'm going to make it very tough on you. Art Bell said this. Not Art Bell, the guy that he was interviewing. Ah. And so we had quite an exchange for a while. I told him that, you know, pretty much the story. Who was this? I don't know. I tried to look back over my emails and I could only go back so far. Describe him. Maybe I could figure out. It wasn't Bob Hastings because I told Bob Hastings about this. And I didn't know Bob Hastings was one I had talked to when I called George Norrie. Except he remembered that he didn't remember my particular talk, but what I had said to him, but he was on George Norrie being interviewed. When was this interview with George Norrie that you called into? Probably about, oh, seven, eight years ago. Okay. And so that's live for everyone to- Yeah, that was live. The other one was live too. So, and both are probably out there. So we could probably dig up the- I would like it, and Bob Hastings would like me to dig up the first one. The first one. Art Bell. But all I could do is go back over the, by, you know, by AOL and see, but they're all erased. Sure. I can really go back. Well, describe the person who Art Bell was interviewing, and maybe I can help you out. He was very much like Bob Hastings. He had written a book. It was more extensive than just UFOs and dukes, but it sounded very credible. And the only thing he said is, you know, we had this exchange through seven or eight emails. And he said, well, he couldn't include me in any further books because he couldn't collaborate it. corroborate it. Corroborate. Because you didn't have someone else coming out. I didn't have somebody else. Who was witnessing the thing with you. But he said, I believe you, but it's not something I could put in my book because I want to, I mean, they corroborate. Well, sounds like a decent researcher. Was the name Lindemann by any chance? I can't remember. Or Oxler? Okay. I can't remember your name half the time. No, you're good. Well, I think, you know, stories at Vandenberg are so compelling because not only like do you have a story happening the same month that was corroborated by Florence Mansman, who is the major who is in charge and supervising Bob Jacobs, who's a photo instrumentation specialist. So you do have a witness there. But that happened the same month. And then you also have other stories at Vandenberg. Do you know who Jeff Nucitelli is by any chance? He's an interesting witness, and he and some colleagues, I believe in the early 2000s, experienced this UFO. Between 2003 and 2005, five UAP incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base. The incursions began on October 14, 2003, when Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square silently hovering over two missile defense sites. After several minutes, it drifted further east onto the base and vanished over the hills. This event, now known as the Vandenberg Red Square, was referenced by Representative Luna at the first hearing on this topic. Official Air Force records of this event are in possession by Arrow and the FBI. Later that night, while I was on duty, security guards at a critical launch site reported a bright, fast-moving object over the ocean. I responded to the incident. Chaos ensued over the radio as the object approached rapidly. I heard my friends screaming, it's coming right at us, it's coming right for us, and now it's right here. Moments later, I heard them say that it had shot off and was gone. When I arrived on scene, I talked to five shaken witnesses who described a massive triangular craft, larger than a football field that hovered silently for about 45 seconds over their entry control point before shooting away at impossible speed. So Vandenberg is definitely a hotspot. It's one of these places like Malmstrom, you know, base in Montana, where throughout the years you have recurring patterns of UFO sightings. So I do think there is some sort of intimate connection there. Oh, yeah. I think this is an ongoing thing. I think it's going on right now. I think what my impression was that they're not going to, you know, they're going to be ready to intervene should we go, you know, let those missiles loose. But until then, they're going to stay in the background, although I'm not sure they're always in the background because there's a lot going on now that makes me wonder if they're orchestrating a lot of this steps towards this disclosure. You think the beings themselves might be orchestrating disclosure? Yeah, that's speculation. I don't know. Well, Richard, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. And, yeah, appreciate your courage and all the incredible detail. And I hope that this, again, allows other people to come forward as well. I hope so, too, because nothing else does get some people prepared to this ultimate disclosure so that they think about it, they're ready for it when it comes. And I think there's enough evidence out there, overwhelming evidence. And I think, again, we go back to nukes and UFO nukes, that well-researched evidence in one source. And there's thousands of sources out there. I'm trying to think of Project Blue Book. Who was the doctor? Jalen Hynek. Yeah, yeah. He came and took the evidence, and he was very brilliant at that. Yeah, no, nobody who spends more than three days on the UFO topic comes to the conclusion that it's fake other than people associated with our nuclear programs or the DOE or the Atomic Energy Commission. So, you know, or the, you know, NDRC or, you know, precursors to, you know, our atomic programs. So you have Don Menzel, who's, you know, this kind of deep state spook, you know, friends with Vannevar Bush held all the clearances in the book. He, you know, ran Bureau of Statistics for the U.S. He was dogmatically opposed to UFOs. You have J. Allen Hynek, who was opposed, but then, you know, later retracted all that stuff and kind of repented for the fact that he was opposed. You have a couple other people in official positions. You know, Edward Condon, who wrote the first, you know, textbook on quantum mechanics in the English language. You know, people don't realize he was pointed, supposedly appointed by the, you know, Project Blue Book on this independent commission, you know, in Colorado. And it was supposed to, yeah, the Condon report. And it was supposed to go through all these UFO cases and basically be an independent check against Blue Book's findings. And then you find out that he was, you know, very close friends with Oppenheimer going back to, you know, their studies at Göttingen in Germany in the 20s. And he wrote the Los Alamos Primer, helped pick Los Alamos as the site for the Manhattan Project. The Los Alamos Primer was something that all employees had to read upon joining the Manhattan Project and wrote the McMahon Secrecy Act, which is in 1946, basically the precursor to the Atomic Energy Act in 1954. and which is kind of this cloak and dagger way to overlay, you know, atomic secrecy with UFO secrecy. So basically, you spend a few days on this, you become open minded or you're dogmatically opposed because you're like some sort of operationalized asset against the thing. Protecting your own. Exactly. And maybe, you know, maybe there are a few contemporary examples where I don't want to say they're full bad faith actors, But, you know, it's probably easy to impugn a lot of their motives as well. But anyways, you know, even the latest head of Arrow, you know, our official, you know, again, modern investigation program, which is similar to Blue Book, is probably just this fake hit job on UFOs. There's a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick who, you know, has long ties with the DOE, worked at Oak Ridge, you know, got this award from Brookhaven when he was, you know, a teenager and, you know, has all sorts of, you know, monetary incentives to say this stuff is fake. So anyways, Richard, I really appreciate you. And this is a lot of fun. And hopefully it shakes the world up. Thank you.