Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Jarvis Landry on Shedeur Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield & Trade to Browns

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People, today we have a guest with us that, like he said, it's that SEC star. Let me get this. Five-time pro bowler, NFL leader in receptions in 2017. Yes, sir. Drafted in the second round by Anthony Dolphins. Broke the single season record not once, but twice for receptions for the Dolphins in 2015. Did it again in 2017. So you know what I'm saying? He's not here to play games. I was good, man, Jarvis Landry. Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you guys having me. Welcome to the show, brother. Thank you for coming, bro. Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you guys for having me, man. I see them little bodies back there, bro. I ain't get one. You know what I'm saying? It's just a little something I just, let everybody know just what is, you know. That's a great frame. That's a great frame. That's a great frame. Come on, one, two, you right. You know, we got our helmets, Joe. We good, you know what I'm saying? We got our helmets, you know what I'm saying? We put in our time. Yeah. Yeah, I see your helmet. I see the team. I see all the teams you played for, Miami, LSU. Yes, sir. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Let's go. Yes, go. You just ain't having enough space for all the other helmets. Well, hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, you're nervous to wear it. Why you, I'll even show you something. So, you know, I got a, I got a bangles helmet. I played for them. You got a Patriots. Oh, look, look, look, look. I got a Ravens helmet. You're playing in the show, bro. Hold up. Hey, B-Bo, you got the mini, that don't count. You said the mini helmet. Hold on, hold on. I don't even count. He got the, he got the exclusive signature helmet. See, there you go. I got the big one too, now. I got the big one. That's your little, that hurt. Well, you hit some like that. That'll light it. Okay, okay. So, let's, let's, let's, let's go ahead and look here. And you already see, you already see the still helmet sitting right over there in the corner right now. I'm not a big collector, though. See, B-Bo, I'm not a big collector. He's not a collector. Hold on, hold on, Jarvis, Jarvis, let me talk to you, baby, let me talk to you. See, but he's not a big member of your guy. I'm just, I'm, it's not memorabilia. It's just about, you know, where you being, you know, where you play your, your history of what you do. I mean, Joe, you got a stiller's helmet and you got a, you got a brown helmet. You got, I got Gator's helmet. I just want to know. I just want to know Jarvis, why no, why no brown's helmet? Yeah, man. Listen, listen, I, you know, I love Cleveland. I love the organization. I love the fans there, the community there. You know, I didn't want to leave, right? Yes. But, you know, when I, when I finally got released, man, I honestly, bro, I was, I was back in Miami. Never really went back to go get this, go get my things, kind of told my brother to go handle it. But I'm sure I got some stuff around here somewhere. But, okay. Nothing that made the show today. Nothing that made it so all right. I got to go. He's so pressing my dog, man. He just, he got like, Joe got two of them. It's still a dog check around here. You know, he's still a dog. Thank you. You knew where you're born at. You ain't got your dog born. You ain't got a dog over there. Dogs got to eat, you're. Real talk. Thank you, Juice. Yeah, man, for sure, man. Brother, brother, real. Yeah, like you said, you know, real talk, all that other good stuff. Don't leave him. Come on, man, man. Look here, brother. Joe, Joe had mentioned you set that, you set that record there with the, with the receptions. But over the course of your first, I believe it was six years, you actually set the NFL record. Like what enabled you, you know, to be consistent in those early years? Like how were you able to do that? I just honestly, brother, like worth that. They had a lot of great teammates, you know, and worth that. They, you know, I stayed out to practice. I'm sure you guys seen guys like Antonio Brown, other guys that you guys played with throughout the years, right? Stay out to practice, get the extra work working on hands, working on hand-eye coordination, working on situations, running that extra route after practice, you know what I mean? All those things matter. All those things count for something, bro. And it really, it really was a gift, bro. These size 11 hands, four eggs of gloves were real. Okay. Okay. I will ask you this, bro. I played in the league too, and getting drafted, you got drafted to Miami, and you went and did work there, you know what I'm saying? Like you balled out. And when you got traded, is that when you finally realized like the business aspect of the game? And was it a culture shock when you got to Cleveland? Like that was kind of my question. Like when did you really realize like this is a business? Man, man, you know what, Joe? I didn't even realize it did. Because at the same time, I never played the game for money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure. I played the game like just out of pure love, out of pure respect, right? For the game. When I got to my contract year, I had a decision to hold out or to go to training camp. At that time, I said, you know what? I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna be a team guy. I'm gonna go to training camp. I'm gonna go do everything, compete at a high level, show them that like I'm a dolphin, I wanna stay here, I wanna be here. Yes. Man, that season ended. There was like, man, we got 11 million for you. Now mind you, top guy at that time I was thinking, paying 15, 14, I was thinking, would it be old Jones or Duh? It just got paid. Okay. And we had a guy on our team named Kenny Stills. Kenny Stills was making about $11 million a year. And I'm just thinking to myself, it's like, it's no way y'all see us the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you just broke the record. The NFL record for receptions. I'm like, it's no way y'all see us the same. So let's keep talking about it. I decided to let my agent handle it. I stayed out of it. Next thing you know, they were like, they go to the combine and like, there's trade talks, we'll let you talk to other teams. And maybe we'll consider matching. That's kind of like the conversation. Yeah. Combine that happens. Next thing you know, I'm either about to go to Tennessee, or I'm about to go to Baltimore. So I'm gonna, yeah. So I'm gonna phone Cleveland was never in the picture. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. So my coach at the time, I'm not gonna say his name, but my coach at the time, it was his thing in team meetings where he say, if somebody don't wanna play for the Miami Dolphins, I'll send you as the Cleveland. Oh, shit. And at that, Cleveland, one is 15, 0 and 13, 0 and 16. Essentially, send you to Cleveland so your career could die. So we got through the whole process. We get to the. Damn, that was your coach in Miami. So we get through the process. And mind you, I got a cystic fibrosis charity event the same night that I got traded to Cleveland at the Miami Dolphin Stadium. So I get to the stadium, they call me, they're like, man, you're going to Cleveland. I'm like, what happened to Tennessee? What happened to Baltimore? Oh, they don't, they send you at the Cleveland. That's what they said. Send me to Cleveland. So it was one of those symbolic things, you know, like, hey, like you don't want to be with us. Fuck you. Essentially. You know what I'm saying? No question. So. My mindset, Joe, when I got to Cleveland was this shit ain't going to be like how it was last year. Yeah. Right. So if you look at any of my presses when I first got to Cleveland, I'm smiling. I'm excited because there's an opportunity to do something here that hasn't been done in a long time, right? Yeah. And the type of contract when you went there, of course. So, of course. Okay. Okay. Of course. Of course. So we got paid, your boy got paid, your boy got paid. But at the same time, like it was really as much as it was about like making sure my family was straight and secure, I'll be honest with you. That was, that was, that was a great feeling to sign that deal. But it also was like, yo, like my mentality is like everywhere I've been, I've won. Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. For sure. I've always felt like I was always, I always felt like either my leadership or my play played into those things. Right. We had guys like Tyra Taylor that came in, you know what I mean? We had other guys that came in with me where I'm like, okay, we drafted Baker Mayfield, you know what I mean? Like, there's some, you know, we can, we can, we can get some shit going. Brother. You know what I mean? So I was optimistic going into Cleveland. Very, very highly optimistic. And then O'Dell ended up coming there too, that, how long were you there before O'Dell came? So I was there a year and that crazy story. I remember talking on the phone with John Dorsey. John Dorsey called me. I'm training here in South Florida one year after our first year. So I think the first year we were like six and 12 or something like that. I don't even remember. Yeah. And then John Dorsey calls me and that whole year I'm like, man, we got to get O'Dell here. We got to get O'Dell here. I don't think he happy, blah, blah. He calls me on the phone like 10 o'clock at nighttime. He's like, hey, you think you got to want to be a Brown? And I'm like, yeah. He want to be a Brown for sure. And at this time I hadn't talked to him yet, but I'm like, yeah. Obviously I'm like, yeah, I'm here. Yeah. Right. Right. So I remember calling him. I remember calling O'Dell. I hung up with John Dorsey. I called O'Dell on the phone. O'Dell's in Paris at the time I believe. And I'm like, yo, I think it's a real possibility, bro. Like they calling me and they asking me like, what's up? Yeah. And O'Dell's like, man, look, I don't really want to do it. But if the Giants don't want me, it is what it is. Caught Glenn. I called John Dorsey back. I'm like, what's up? See, I will later, day later, he a Brown. See, that's what that I ain't gonna lie. That's what I'm saying. Because when I got released from the Browns and I started looking back over there, they was bringing in talent. Yeah. And I know what you're saying, being optimistic, because you're a good player. If I'm here, I'm going to bring the vibes. I'm bringing the energy. I'm not going to instantly think we're going to lose. So I'm rocking with you, bro. Thank you, Javas. No, hell no. And you go. Hey, man, after hearing that story, I don't even know how you got on my helmet. Help me back there. Man, listen. That man tried to send you to kill your career. It's all good. He didn't look. He did work there. No man can curse with God. That's no question. No question. Joe, hey, man, you might want to give me one of your clean but how is to replace that? I know. I know. I don't know. Oh, no, no. I know he got another one somewhere in there. He got a picture. I this this somewhere around here in store, just something like that for sure. You know, we still we're still in a little bit construction inside the household, you know. Oh, y'all, I forgot. I forgot y'all. Y'all boys, y'all got that money. My man. No, no. You know, I'm just trying to live a little bit. They're trying to live. See, bro, we are less than 40. You live. I'm just I'm just trying to keep a roof over my head, man. I'm living paycheck to paycheck. My head, man. Juice, he be at juice. He just be out in line. He be saving. You know, I'm saying he do his thing, but he go spend it on some wine. Uh huh. Uh huh. Uh huh. He got his devils got his stuff. He gonna spend his money on. Yes. Don't let him treat you. Don't let him trick you. Listen. The nutrition, the nutrients from now is poison. I ain't gonna lie to you. A.O. Juice. Wait, one glass a day, though. One glass a day. One glass a day is fine. I don't know about that, man. That might be a lie. If I do one glass a day, that mean the bottle still sitting there. Like, I got a, I might as well just drink the whole bottle. That's, you know, ain't no need to open the bottle if you ain't go finish it. I heard that too. I heard that too. That's A. That's wasteful, man. Can't be wasteful. Look, look, look. Since we talking about, look, can we talk about the Browns for a little bit, just a little bit longer? Yeah. Just get a few, you know what I'm saying? You did your time there with me. So I'm asking, I want to figure out what do you think is going on shaping up now with the Shador and the Deshaun Watson situation? Man, who do you think they should start? How do you think they should work that? And just from your honest, like, outside looking in, you know what I'm saying? Because now, now we can really look at it like, all right, back. This is what I think they should do. This is what, you know, this is how I feel. Yeah. Man, I think personally with the numbers, I know they've done some restructuring with Deshaun Watson's contract and things like that. But I think with the numbers, you got to let him get, you got to give him one more opportunity. Okay. I think you got to give him one more opportunity. I think Shador, they showed flashes of him playing early, despite his situation, you know, through coaching, through not getting reps and all that stuff, right? Yeah. But I think if you're going to have a guy like Deshaun Watson on your roster at that number and you can't bill him, you got to give him one more, you know, opportunity, right? Cleveland may be past that point. But at the same time, I think if he gets back to half of the Deshaun Watson that he was in Houston, bro, you know, I think they could be successful. Obviously, they still need pizza, the receiver position, the quarterback is still, you know, only as good as his weapons too, you know, so it's only so much that he could do, it's only so much. No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. Addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians, and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the sub-CD Hachakar, reached the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker, I've fallen down again. Yeah, I am not writing actively anymore. And when I see my old work, it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone, but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. Quarterback right there I could do, you know what I mean? And also protecting them. So it's a lot more, I think that Cleveland has to be figured out. But from that standpoint, in that quarterback position, I do feel like Shadoor is the guy he could use one more year of just learning, building, growing. Whoa, so you saying that? He's saying let DeSean start on grip. Why? Let him go and Shadoor sit behind him. Yeah, I think Shadoor, based on what he was drafted, based on you gonna have him for another year, right? I just don't think it's a situation where, you know, you let DeSean just ride on a bench at that number. I'm not saying you let him ride on a bench. I'm just saying you don't hand it to him and just let him go with it. I'm all with the GM saying, hey, open competition and whoever gets to start gets to start. I'm cool with that. But for me, handing it to Watson, he ain't played a game in the last two years. And the last time that he did play, his numbers are comparable to what Shadoor is. And Shadoor has a very big upside that he's a rookie doing those same numbers. I agree. I agree. I agree. So for me to just hand it to him, along with the fact he done worked us over for about 200 something million already that he ain't earned. You think I'm gonna give him the opportunity just to say here, go with it, not give a chance to Shadoor to fight for that starting position. And now you go put me on the hook for another 230. Hell yeah. But at the same time, you gonna let somebody that got you for 230, 250, just sit on the bench the whole time? No, I'm gonna let it play out in camp. I'm just not giving it to nobody. I'm splitting right between these two guys and I'm gonna see who it is that I wanna go with and the sign is gonna have to do some significantly greater for me to give it to him over Shadoor. That's fair. But then as a GM, you also have to think, right? This cap hit, I can't deal this guy, right? I want him to get as much film out there of playing as possible. Shadoor is out for the back of the future. He's off your radar after this year. He's off your books after this year. He's off the books after this year? Yeah. Through the restructuring and... He's done. Yeah, he's done. They can fucking let it go. So why am I gonna do all that to go ahead and possibly? I mean, it's great if you go and you get back to old Watson, but you ain't getting back to old Watson, brother. You ain't been old Watson since 2020, whatever it is. I think with this one, let me hop in this. When it come down to it, he's gonna be there. You gotta keep him there. He's gonna be a very expensive backup because you got no choice. You guarantee this man all his money. So when it come down to it to me, like I'm going to go and have him and Shadoor go head to head and I'm going to make a true honest decision of is it worth it compared to what I'm getting from the play for the pay to go and say, here now this is yours, Watson, because it ain't gonna be a situation where you're going to just be like, okay, he's a little better and give it to him. You putting yourself on the hook for a whole lot of paper. When I could say, you know what? I see what Shadoor did. He got seven games. Watson's last time he played healthy with seven games in 24. The numbers look about the same. No questions. Shadoor got a whole bunch more interceptions. But again, you're talking about a learning curve and growing curve. Watson did that when he was well into his veteran years. So for me, I got to sit back and be like, as a GM, let me go ahead. This is off my books after. Juice, I think we was kind of on the same page. I think you were saying, just looking at it from the 200 million perspective, that's a lot of bread. Some lot of bread. And I think a lot of these teams now too, when we looking at like Calamari, they already, they cut their losses. You know what I'm saying? When you looking at, it's another quarterback that did it. It was Calamari that had a 200 and it was another quarterback that just got. Hey, Miami, a tour. Tour Tunga Lua, they just let go of two. And they, 96 million. So it's like, end of the day, I'm looking at it. Shadoor was a fifth round pick. He had a couple of good starts. He won three out of his four games at the end of the season. D'Shawn's coming off of ACLs. So we want to see what's going on. D'Shawn, you not going away. You on the roster. If the Shadoor, a kill, D'Shawn start looking crazy. You know what I'm saying? Then we got D'Shawn there and then we know Shadoor is not going to be our future. But same thing, Browns need a lot. Like you said, so in the draft, they need some receivers. Shadoor, you don't really know how good he look. If he ain't got the options to be able to throw into him. So I'm more of the joint. Get him the line, get him some receivers. See if this year can be better. Don't be patting the ball. You know what I'm saying? Don't spin out. I need to see growth. Because I believe in Shadoor. I didn't think he should have been a fifth round pick coming out of Colorado. I think people did him dirty. I think he should have been a first round pick. So now when I'm looking at him, I'm looking at him as from a first round lens, like, all right, bet. He got in, stayed at Dylan Go first, and then they had Flacco, then Dylan Gabriel, then Shadoor got his time. And when I seen Shadoor in there, I seen the ball finally going through the air. We were winning games. He threw for 300. You know what I'm saying? Like a couple of the picks and stuff, we seen some people dropping the ball. So I think seven picks were on him. He had seven touchdowns. So not the best, but give him some more weapons, give him some time. Kamistar Fansky is the person when I'm looking at like, he wasn't rocking with Shadoor. You know what I'm saying? Like he wanted Dylan Gabriel to succeed. He didn't even, wouldn't even call Shadoor by name. So I'm like, now we got Todd Monkkin, somebody that actually sees that he likes Shadoor. You can see like, oh no, actually says his name, speaks highly on him, says he's in the building. He's in the facility. He didn't get no reps with the first team last year. You know what I'm saying? So now, boom, get some first team reps. You understand? Y'all splitting, let's see what you look like. You started last year. So I love just the factor of now Shadoor having options, having his players and Dashaun, 200 million. You crank, you're all good. I want you to succeed. Two ACL jumps. So I'm hoping you look good. Achilles, Achilles. Achilles, you had two Achilles. Achilles, man. I hope you look good. But I think, I think, I think if I had my GM hat on, right? And I think D-Bow, y'all both make good points. But to your point, D-Bow, I think if I had my GM hat on, I think it's Shadoor's, I think it's Dashaun's job to lose, right? I think, I think, I think, I think what the cap spin and the risks that we put into this investment, into this investment, right? Because, and I'll ask you a real question. Yeah. If this doesn't work out for Dashaun Watson in Cleveland this year, Shadoor gets the start. Is Dashaun's career essentially, who's picking them up? I don't know. That's the GM. That's not what we worry about. I don't know. You already, by the time. You already 200 up. So you made 250 now. So did the teams and everybody's looking at you like, nobody owe you no payday. We're hopefully, you're gonna come and get a prove it deal. You're gonna sign one of these minimum jumps and like be on the team fighting for a spot. Cause you 250 up, that's how GMs are looking at you now. They're not looking at you like, oh, you're trying to get a deal. You're on your rookie contract. You up. Which is why is Dashaun's job, is Dashaun, it's his job to lose to me. It's his job to lose. So you're saying it's his. He gonna compete for it. Only way he gonna compete for it. He gonna compete for it, but he will be my front runner until, because of the bread. Because I understand what you're saying. Until he loses the job. So if he wasn't making that money like that, would he still be your front runner? It wouldn't be no, it would. Okay, so hold up, hold up. Now he's your front runner. His numbers are a little better. Are you starting me? Yeah. Okay, now at the end of that year, he's in the bottom, whatever it may be comparatively to what Shadoor did. If you guys Shadoor that season, they're close fighting together. Now he says new deal, 50 million. What are you doing now? Shadoor, I'm quite a bit selfish. You know. Shadoor is the court. So why are you sitting him down and stunting his growth right now? I think there's still some development that needs to happen there. You know, Joe, Joe, Joe first. You can't develop a real game fire. We know this. You can. You can. Look, you are Aaron Rodgers. You can sit the bench for two years. It's only a second season. Debo, Debo, Debo. I can sit behind Aaron Rodgers to sound right? If he could, you might get, listen, who knows, you need two quarter, he might get hurt. I mean, not saying that at all, but you go on there with two quarter. That's the true story. That's true. That's why even if the Shadoor was starting, he could get something to happen. You need another quarterback that you could rely on. That backup is legit. That's a real position in NFS. You need. As a GM, I'm not putting myself in that position to have to make a hard decision based on him being a small amount better. But also, and I, maybe I could say this and I'll speak for myself. I won't speak for y'all, but y'all could tell me how this happened for y'all. I didn't really make my jump until year three. I didn't really, I didn't really was like, oh, this shit is easy. Until like. So they had you sitting behind somebody, not getting no snaps, playing games. I was sitting behind a couple of people earlier. You know my rookie season. You ain't getting no snaps is what I'm saying. They're not about to be switching quarterbacks in and out, right? No, no, that can't not happen at NFL. It's not college. I told it. No, I get that. I get that. But this is what Shadoor has to be a pro in practice, right? He has to be a pro leading up into the game. He has to take all those necessary reps. Even after practice before games, training, you know, getting ready like a starter. I would say this. Darius, you don't believe that. Ain't nobody practicing the game speed in practice. Quarterback is one of the toughest positions to play. A thousand percent, the toughest. It's one of the toughest positions to play. I feel like sometimes, and I spoke about this on my show before, when you put some quarterbacks in that situation, too early, it doesn't go well for them. And if it doesn't go well for them, that's generally their career. That's generally what they're going to get judged by for the most part of their career until they get in the right scheme or the right fit or coming as a backup. And you know what I mean? And then, you know, reignite their career. Like I feel like Shadoor has the intangibles. I know he's going to be a great quarterback in the league. I think nothing is wrong with him, you know, being a solid number two backup, one A, one B, however you want to, however you want to call it, right? And if this shit is not working after game four, green five with with the Sean Watson, we need to get them out of here. Yeah, I think, but I'm paying him too much money. I'm paying him too much money to have to go three years with him not ever playing in a game. It's insane. That's bad. That's bad business by up top. That's what I'm telling you. You are speaking exactly right. And they've been doing bad business though. They knew once they knew it was a bad deal. He said it. The owner has them said, this was a terrible, we took a swing in the midst, you know what I'm saying? And now we're trying to say, no, maybe it could be a swing and we get it back. I'm like, no, no, no, no coach, you already 200 down on the deal. This last 50, it is what it is. Like we could, I'm with you with letting them play cause that's $50 million on a quarterback. Let me see what you can do. And with Shadoor there, knowing like, this is only his second year, he can learn or whatever. But I'm more of the position where Shadoor got to lose it than Watson got, than it's Watson's job. So other way, you think it's the other way around? I just think it's the other way around. And I think it's the possibility. The same way you said that Shadoor could get in, that's the same way I think that Watson would be able to get in. They already lost to team, but you're gonna keep them. I want them at both battle. He started the last games. He did his thing and he's in the building, bro. He's doing all of the things that I need to see from a quarterback, the coaches perspective, the team rallying around them. So it's just like, don't take him out now. You got a young boy that I think was a first round quarterback that's studying, going into the OTAs, like really try and get it done. So if he does not end up looking crazy, first five, six games, you got the Sean. He's still there working. And now he got something to prove. Cause if he don't do nothing, then he's gonna be somebody else's backup quarterback. He out the league, you know what I'm saying? But y'all know, like I know how the league works. And if that situation happens, then from, I think from a negotiating standpoint, right? The Sean wants to come in game five. Let's just say save our season. I doubt it. Now we like, this one I'm saying, we might have to give him an extra, extra Debo because now our hopes in our promising future, you know what I'm saying? It's a tricky situation. It's a, it's a- You really think he could come in there after not really being productive in the last five years and go to the level that he was in Houston and he hasn't even come close to touching it. I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this. Let's think about the division, right? Our guys in Cincinnati been struggling, right? Trying to stay healthy, trying to stay on the field. So that can go either way, right? They lose their defensive end, you know, who's, who's, who's Rikki? Well, they really, their defense was- But, but you know, I played in where we, we planted for him period, like, you know what I'm saying? Right? You think about the Baltimore situation, right? Great team, most likely gonna win the division, but they lose the OC to Cleveland. Let's see how that play out with a new head coach, new system, right? You go down to Pittsburgh. I know y'all talking about this quarterback will something, but I don't know if that's the, you know what I mean? Like the division to me- We don't know. That's the thing. The division to me is open. We ain't seen nothing. And I feel like I'd rather go in it with the veteran than the rookie right now. Have the right to have the rookie at the backup. Okay. I got a question for you real quick. Because the division is open. I hear you receiving too. I hear you. I hear you. Oh, they need a- I got a question for you real quick, Darvish. Whoever, whoever the quarterback need help. Go ahead and need some, sorry. Put Aaron Rodgers and Cleveland now, where you at? As far as who started? No, put Aaron Rodgers and Cleveland. Where is your division set up now? You said you don't know about Will. You said you want a veteran quarterback. Aaron Rodgers and Cleveland. Aaron Rodgers or Design Watson? With the receivers, I don't know. It's right now? I just don't know if the supporting cast and that no shade to none of the receivers in Cleveland. No shade to none of them, right? They got some young talent, right? But, Jerry Judy- Put it to you in Pittsburgh. You got a choice. Right now between Aaron Rodgers, Design Watson. Who you going with? I'm going A-Rod. Yeah, I'm going A-Rod too, bro. I only thing I was hesitated as default. Hopefully he come back with some mobility, right? Too, but- Look, Jarvis, you saw the last- We got to be real. You right now, you thinking now you're getting faster? You thinking now I'm getting faster? You know what I'm saying? This man I had two- And no disrespect, because I want him to be going crazy. The world is better when Design Watson hoops out when he's out there balling. But when you are a quarterback and you run and throw, and that's what he could do both. Like that's what made him special. You know what I'm saying? Now it's 2026. The last time he had that season was 2020. So I'm like, ah, you know what I'm saying? Like just expecting him to come back and be running around, looking like he did is a lot to ask. I think regardless of who to call- No gloss, no filter. Just stories, spoken without fear. Addiction is a disease, and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians, and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the Saab Siddhi Khachakar, reached the pinnacle, stung by the snake and I've fallen down again. Yeah. I am not writing actively anymore, and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone, but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. You make a great point. I think regardless of who the quarterback is, they need some receiver support. That's a fact. They've hauled in some O-Lime and things like that, but they need a lot of receiver support. They get their running back healthy. They're tight in play, really great form last year. The young kid, I think he was like rookie, the first team or rookie team or whatever it is. Running back and the tight end, both of them. So they got those little pieces together. Obviously we all play the AFC NARP. We know it's a physical ass division. Like whoever's running the ball, controlling the line of scrimmage, more than likely going to win those games. We also know those guys on the outside do make big differences. Yes. And they need some, I think Cleveland needs some help. They need a little bit of help. Maybe that's what they're going to be drafting. I'm hoping receivers in line. Yeah, cause it's no matter who back there. We could put Tom Brady back there. I don't think he's gonna... I don't know. You put Tom Brady back there. He's gonna see it, find it, get rid of it. Not even you can't catch it. No, you can't catch it. I can't get open. Hey, listen. Can't get open. Somebody's right in your pocket. Okay, I'll go with that. I'll go with that. I'll go with that. Can't get over it. Yeah, man, but I actually... So true story, I actually played with Tom Monk and cleaved them my first year. Okay. And... How was that? Man, he was cool. Again, it's interesting to see how he's interacting with Shador right now. And throughout the organization, I would be honest with you, I was surprised with the hire. Okay. But at the same time, he went down to Georgia, did his thing, won a national championship, came up to Baltimore, helped Lamar with the MVP season. Well, I obviously thought Lamar, but you know what I mean? Let's call it spade to spade. But at the same time, he was a part of that, calling plays and things like that. But I will say it's gonna be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out when we get in season, when the bullets actually start flying and not just taking photos and looking cool. And I wanna see what the interactions become then. What person or type of coach did you think Cleveland would hire with you being surprised with the Monk and hire? Man, I thought they would go with a defensive hire. I think most of their head coaches, jobs that they've filled over the last couple of years have been all offensive minded. Hugh Jackson was an offensive minded coach. Kevin Stefansky, offensive minded coach. We had Freddie Kitchens was an offensive minded coach. You know what I mean? So I thought that being at the AFC North was more of a tougher division. Obviously our defense, Jim Schwartz, I thought he was gonna get the job. I really, was it Jim Schwartz? Yeah, Jim Schwartz. I really thought he was gonna get the job. You know what I'm saying? Because that defense, every defense he coached them, they've been top 10, top five every year. That defense that they played in Cleveland, defense ain't dropped no losses. Yes. So I'm thinking like, okay, you got that. And the defensive coach, you all know, defensive coach break structure to the team. Yes. You know what I mean? Networked offensive guy can come in and just focus on the offense opposed to being like, okay, I'm trying to focus on the offense and call plays. Sometime that's too much, especially for first time head coaches. For first time head coaches, you trying to call a play, you trying to control the tone of the team, you trying to lead, you trying to deal with the defensive knucklehead, the offensive knucklehead, make sure the quarterback is on. It's, that's tough for a first time head coach who just wanna call plays. He literally just wanna call plays. You hiring an offensive coordinator as head coaches. Not that it's a bad thing. Okay. Everybody can do it. You play with, like that. You play with Baker Mayfield and Cleveland, right? You know what he was up to. You know this? Come on. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Why that Stefansky, Baker Mayfield situation? Why you think that ain't work out? What was the real big, what was the deal? Man, I don't think it was beef, man. I just think it was more of like, and I said this when Shadora went there, what Kevin Stefansky? And again, people think that I'm bashing Kevin Stefansky and all that stuff and I'm not trying to bash that Kevin Stefansky. I'm really just calling it how I internally saw it and try to have like, I'm in interpretation, right? Like the quarterback development in Cleveland just wasn't there. And I felt that way about Shadora as well. Like, you know, like there's situations where I'm just like, damn man. Like we could have had better conversations. Watching more film together, you know, things like that. Right? And it was weird. Let's just say that. I say that. You know what I'm saying? I'll say y'all a text after I'm finished with when I texted my homie about the Shadora going to Cleveland thing. Literally what I said, word by word. Because, you know, I think he's a great player. I know what's your door is. I think Shadora was a great player, but I do think he need coaching, right? I think he can't just rely on his talent anymore. Right? He needs somebody to help him develop and understand how the game work, how the process work. Hey listen, go ahead D-Boy, I'm sorry. That's the big thing that a lot of coaches, what, head coaches, I'll say a lot of head coaches don't realize, especially guys that just want to run things by themselves their way, no matter what. And they just put people in position that's just going to run with whatever it is they say. You gotta have somebody at every position that you hire that can actually develop your talent. I don't care if you're in year four, five, six, seven, I should be able to get a nugget from this coach that's going to help me develop. Rather is something in the playbook, because I'm young, and then learning and understanding that it ain't just about knowing what you're doing now, son, you need to know what the person besides you. And as you learn that, you need to go further and further down the line so that you can better help yourself, help your teammates. Because if you got curl flat, it's no need for you to sit out there, drop and dig your ass 15, 17 yards deep, because he probably got a deep crosser coming over under over there somewhere. Like you can better or squeeze in, you can better help narrow down the zone for the other players in there. And if your coach is not giving you any type of nuggets like that, especially as you get older, you don't really need to know more. But year after year, as I got in, I'm trying to learn more of what everybody else is doing. My coach is still continually helping me get, oh man, did you ever think about this or that? So hiring people who can actually do the job individually on the basis of, hey, you're a linebacker coach, go in linebacker coach, develop these dudes. You're the DB coach, you're the corner coach, you're the safety guy. Like Joe, when you were in Pittsburgh, tell me how much that, you know, Lake helps you. Bro, helping me tremendously. Because you know, the one thing was, all I need is nuggets, you know what I'm saying? Alignment, assignment, technique. But when we going into these games, give me something like when this dude, this is like a 90%ers, when they run these plays on third and threes, when you see this split, you gonna get this, you know what I'm saying? Study it up, you know what I'm saying? Give me some real stuff that's gonna help me in the game. Don't just have me out there playing blind. So like that was one big thing, like those are some things that the good coaches do. Yeah, and I think it's one of those things, and we talked about it on our show, Joe, where, you know, I think it's one of those things that coaches sometime like, they even over complicate something for no reason, right? Or they don't know enough about the position because they were hired by their friend. Yeah. And to get in the door, and now we're in this room that we don't really, probably shouldn't be in. They say nothing in, they say nothing in. Because, hey, I hired you, when nobody else would have hired you, they wouldn't even thought of you. I put you in here. So what you look like voice in your opinion against me about something I'm saying, that shows no appreciation to them, to them. But for me, I'm trying to be maybe middle ground, smartest person in the room. I want to be the least hands on coach ever. I'm going to hire everybody at every position that makes it so that I don't have to do nothing, but go to them and they'll give me their expertise at corner safety, linebacker, whatever that position may be. And I am head coaching, I am managing. You're delegating. I'm delegating everything. Period. And I think sometimes, especially in Cleveland, we were talking about Cleveland, right? And maybe we'll see, now that we see a turnover happening more, a lot of young coaches being hired, a lot of the old faces of the game that we grew up through, right? Or leaving it, not leaving the game, but being pushed out by these younger coaches. I feel like every year is another young hire, being the youngest coach ever. This, you know what I mean? And I think a lot of it, has to do with this culture of coaching, where this guy gets hired, he brings in his friend, next year his friend get it. Like, for instance, bro, and I know that might be a little bit out of topic, but like, how is Blarren Flores not up for a job? Blarren Flores, yeah. How is Blarren Flores, how is, I forgot my other guy name. Damn. But how is these guys, defensive coach, just man in Minnesota, defense balling? Yeah, you know what it is, relationships. Well, it's a little bit of a relationship. That's the thing, dude. Like, it's a lot of relationship things. And then making sure that, You should need to be talked about more. Like what you're looking at is what it is. You know what I'm saying? You do. Like, it's family hires. It's, you know, oh, you were my old coach from here, hire all that, but it's very few people who are willing to go in there and be like, you know what, I'm a hired the best person at this position that I feel like I could get, because it's gonna take away credibility from me. It's a lot of coaches that have ego. Especially here at coaches, I don't fault this long to get this job. And I'm gonna be honest with you, like as you talk about Flores, that was one of the things like when he went to Miami, even though it was a whole situation that happened behind that, it was a lot of players that said, he had a big ego once he got there. They were like, dude, the dude that you met, or I met in New England, they're like, dude, that's not the cat that we see him right now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Flores, he got that. He's still top 10. He's still top five. Yeah, but it's a little different when, you're communicating to me as if I'm 12. You see what I'm saying? Versus you're communicating to me, like some people are in the position of, hey, when I'm not the top dog, I'm very cordial. I'm communicative. I am very respectful. Now you put me top dog and everybody below me got an answer to me. That might change my opinion. That might change the way I'm talking, especially if I'm a person that wanted to be in that position. Shit, you crazy. You ain't gonna tell me nothing. I can't listen to hear nothing you said, and I done gave you this job when you would have never had that chance. Come on, bro. You supposed to be yes, man. You a yes, man. I don't hire what's the next thing I do to you. No accountability here. We gotta have somebody to tell you when you're doing wrong. No. I heard that. Man, I love that. I love that little topic right there. No, for sure. I love that. I love that. That's the type of stuff, man, where I sit back and I watch ESPN, I watch transactions, things happen throughout. You know what I mean? And some of these things are lost conversations, and some of these things are just like my dumb ass opinion, right? Of how I feel looking at it or knowing a person and then going into another situation, how you leave a one job, and you hire the next day when you ain't really had no success over here. Like all of that stuff to me is very confusing. I know a lot of people out there as well, but again, like I say, I love that topic. I love talking about that passion. Hey, LSU, Lane Kiffin, what do you think of that? Love it. Love it. I'm happy it happened, bro. It's what the city needed. It's what the school needed. And I love to see guys like Virge Ausberry, who's the president of the athletic director, the president, all those guys, the whole city coming behind, selecting a coach that they know is coming to win. Man, I love that. And Lane Kiffin, love Louisiana, man. Like big Louisiana guys. This one pissed me off. Honestly, D-Bo, I ain't gonna lie. Cause I was between LSU and Florida. So I'm glad we got our coach. And then I ain't gonna lie. I was recruiting Kiffin. I wanted Kiffin bad. He's hip. He's hip. He's what we need. He's gonna be able to recruit. He's able to bring in the talent. He's gonna get the money. Like he's what college football needs, man. So I wanted Kiffin bad. So LSU man, I know y'all got a good one right there. Man, we excited. We excited, bro. I can't wait to see, I can't wait to see how he's using the receivers. I can't wait to see how he can keep bringing more players in. And players actually like wanna play for this guy. You know what I'm saying? Like you could sense it. You could see it. You could feel it, right? He not just like a presence. You know what I'm saying? Go ahead, Joe. But I gotta ask you, bro. Who is, y'all got the rapper on your team right now too? Oh, Tusi. Tusi. Y'all got Tusi out there. Not even rappers wanna play at LSU, bro. Like you feel me like, Man, rappers wanna play at LSU. That was amazing. Is he on the, bro, that's what I'm saying though. I think he walked on them. He has to, cause we had, it's a lot of players. It's a lot of players, you know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, there's no, he's not gonna be, he's not gonna be a wide receiver at LSU. Listen, I don't know. You never know, you know? We the, we the, we the receiver, you bro. We develop, we develop receivers every day. If y'all develop Tusi and he goes to the league, bro. LSU, y'all, y'all. Then we can finally get still. We can score. I'm sending my kids there instantly. I don't care. Like he like, bro, he wasn't five star like you. He's not, no, that's crazy. Hey, you never know. Yeah, that's a little different. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like y'all, y'all grabbing fours and fives and you know, that, you know, development over four or five. Or you gotta do it 20 minutes right. Whoever LSU I receive a coach, this man go league. He needs to be a head coach somewhere. Now for show. Listen, it's not that it's not possible. No, no, no, that's, no, we, it's in the room. Yeah, we gon' find out. We gon' we definitely gon' find out. Everything in the room with possibilities. You know what I'm saying? Like anything. All right, bro, I got that coming. I don't know about that. No gloss, no filter. Just stories. Spoken without fear. For a son who's not generous, can not be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhachow on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.