Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5012

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So we got to see Emily Longaretta published a survivor article, which we kind of already had some of this behind the scenes. We had some tea, but not much. Yeah. No, but we had her on our show. It was sort of like a preview of this article, but it's a really great article. Covering, I mean, I'll just, it's everything, everything. Yeah. I mean, the funnest part is that there actually was a lion that ran through a season of survivor chasing an antelope in their, in their camp one night. That's an amazing story. And they had to lie and not tell CBS about that in order to keep the show going because they knew that they would cancel it. So if you're one of the survivors and you happen to take out the antelope first, you like to eat that or what? Yeah. Well, I mean, I would look at it. Yeah. The whole eating the animals thing, man. It's like, it's, it's, it's, yeah, that's so old. That was a thing, right? That was, I remember because one of the seasons I watched or the only season I watched, or maybe I watched part of the next one because it was they killed a pig. Yeah. And then I remember the guy put the blood on his face and then fell into the fire like the next episode. And I mean, mostly what they've done now is they give up, they give away chickens. Right. And, and they never show what happens to the chickens. You never see the chicken again, do you? No. Well, I mean, I think a lot of times they, they keep them for eggs. So they're actually, right? Yeah. Eggs, but they never resolve. Like you'd ever see them like having to chop off a chicken's neck and. Which I mean, I kind of feel like is a missed opportunity. Honestly, like that's part of the whole survivor experience. It seems like you think, you know, I don't know. Unless you're Rizzo, who is just clearly not eating because he is so skinny right now. Well, there is. So there have been a lot of articles that have come out that I guess they're doing a lot of these exit interviews. And in all of them, they were saying that he's been very sick. Yeah. Cause he's not eating. Dude, do you see? Well, it's crazy because someone I saw on Instagram put his photo from his first season, from season 49, which is when he started this. Cause you know, he only had like four days off. Yeah. I went right into this and he, I mean, he, he looks like a different human being. Like he has lost so much weight. I know. And I was, he was already a skinny dude to begin with. And I was watching, I'm like, now it's starting to make me uncomfortable. Honestly. Like I feel sorry for him. I'm like, but you know, I guess that was one of the reasons where again, you wonder, you wonder why the producers decide to put what on the air and what they don't put on the air, because apparently that was one of the main reasons why they cooked so much rice. That one episode where we're like, why are you start with six cups of rice? You're going to eat half. Because he's literally starving to death. Exactly. He was sick. And so, and they said that that might have been the way that he started to look might have been one of the reasons why they upped the, um, are they brought the, the auction auction up faster and all that kind of stuff. On another note, I want to start the survivor diet. Because frankly, I'd fit in anything. And so I was like, just throw me on that. I lose some weight. Starving yourself. That's. Yikes, starving yourself with prizes. No, it is interesting, right? Like, because you see, and it's not, it hasn't actually been that long. I mean, we're talking 20 some days and yet you can. Yeah, because they're just not eating. They talk about on this episode how he like wasted some of his chicken. Yeah. Where it's like, how do you wait? What? What? You know, how are you not devouring everything you're putting in, put in front of you? Yeah, he got like the healthiest thing at the auction. And didn't finish it. Like, no, I'm good. I'm good. Thanks. Like what? Yeah. It's Chris. Did not make Tiff happy. She was very upset about that. And yeah, I get that. All right. So let's get into the episode. Yeah, this was, you know, another sad one. Watching my two favorite players go down one, one after the other. And again, all I was thinking was it's about time. It's it's a bit because because just from a game plan. I know point of view. Love them both and both could easily have won and should have. But as the other players, it's like, what? Why are they still there? So yeah, two of my favorite players to watch were gone. I I totally agree. And I know that you because you've been saying for from the get go, like why are they not pointing out that Zaria is running the game is winning the game. Yes. And they finally did. They finally did. Like this episode, it was like everybody acknowledges like, well, shit, we have to take her out. We all like her. But I still I'm sitting there screaming at the screen. Why are Joe and Jonathan just skaten by? Yeah, they are. No one is talking about that. And both of them are very good at challenges. Yeah, they have just like they're playing this old school, alpha male leadership position and they're getting away with it. And it's working. Yeah, yeah. And I don't look. Nobody is questioning. And like Jonathan is literally taking credit for everybody's moves because he's thinking that he's in charge of it. And he is. He's actually he's decided. He like basically tells everybody how to vote. Yeah, based on whoever whispers in his ear and is like, King Jonathan, you should maybe we should go to read my law. Exactly. And that's what it feels like. Everybody has to come to him and Joe and kneel down and say, we think it should be so and so. And then they decide and then they say, you know what, you're right. Scratch my beard like Marlon Brando and in Apocalypse Now and say, yeah, I think it's time to get rid of Suri. And then they do. And I'm like, they also are killing it at challenges. I know I'm up winning. Tiff has been great. Tiff is incredible. But her only hope is like, I don't understand. Like, so for me, I was like, oh, they're finally turning on Suri, which Will has been saying. But now I've been I feel like I've been saying since coach got voted out, why are why are people just letting Jonathan and Joe well? This game. So Aubrey started talking about something that again, this is why I would another of the eight jubilion reasons why I would suck at this game is because I'm not thinking like this, where she's at one point talking about like, who should we vote off? Who shouldn't? Everyone's talking about Rizzo. And she's like, no, I want Rizzo with me at the end because no one wants to give that guy two million dollars. You got to be thinking about also who's sitting next to you. Do you think there's something with that with with Jonathan and Joe as well, where they're like, fine, bring them to the end because no one after the way they've been manipulated or what they're doing or the lying. No one's going to give them the money. So, hey, I don't want to vote them out because if it's Aubrey, Joe and Jonathan sitting there at the end, most people are probably going to go, Aubrey's going to win. You know, I also wonder if there's just something weirdly crocodile brained about lost on deserted island need big man near. I think so. You know, I think that's what's happened. I just I think there's just this sense of like security around. Yeah. And like, you know, they're always like topless and taking care of things. And I feel like it probably is just like, OK, we got to keep those guys around. It's primal. But yeah, but they are. But that's a problem because they could win the challenges. Right. Like they're really good at them. Yeah. And it's like, dude, actually, I would say Jonathan, surprisingly, is not as well. No, he won last week. So yeah, I don't know, man. I am. Yeah. I I just think I'm surprised that they're not thinking like that. So you're right. I would be surprised if it is somewhat kind of primal and tribal. You know, it's yes. You go for security and you feel secure with these two guys. Yeah. Of leading the pack. Yeah. Again, George Washington used to go to the congressional delegations in his full military uniform every time before he was made general. And at the time he was like six foot four in a land of people that were five foot three. Right. So everyone looked around like, well, that's got to be the leader. I mean, it's like a charge. Yeah, it just comes down to that. I heard a director wants to forget who it was. It was in response to the idea that you know how you always see pictures of directors on movie sets and they're always wearing hats. Yeah. You're always. And I heard a director say like, oh, no, I always have to have a hat. And it's like he's like something it's a different hat every movie and every job. But I need a hat because I'm the captain and I want everybody to know that the captain's wearing the hat. OK. You know, and I don't know if that I honestly don't know if that meant baseball hat or like he would find a specialty hat. I don't know. But it was an interesting thing. He's like, you want to stand out from the rest of the crew. You're like, you're the guy in the hat. So everyone needs to listen to you. You're the giant guy with long hair and a bushy beard on a deserted island with huge muscles like I want that guy on my team. Right. Like I just want that guy on my team. So yeah, no, I agree with you. I think there's something primal. I also don't understand. I again, I one of the things I like to talk to about everybody that I wish I'd ask Christian more questions like as I keep thinking like, damn it, I wish I had. I know I had the exact same thought, dude. It was too quick of an error. It was. And one of the things I want to ask is how do you spend most of your day? Because if you're sitting around for, say, four hours, why aren't those four hours spent trying to find a night? Right. Because Devans does it and everyone's like, maybe we should go with them. Where it's like, how are you not just scouring? Like if you're doing nothing else, I know, spend the whole day looking at every tree. I yeah. And I'm not sure why they haven't been looking the second because like they've had idols out every time that somebody's, you know, yes. It's weird to me, man. I I'm the same way. And also just like everyone's so scared that Devans is going to find an idol. So they're like following him. Like also just let him find an idol. It's not that big of a deal. But is he the idol worshiper or is he actually just look? You know what I mean? It's like, but I mean, he's he goes out and he actively seeks them. So it's like he's the idol work. No, he's he's actually getting up and looking for them where you're not. So I don't understand why they're not doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I would that's the way I would be the second I'd arrive on that island. I would be spending all my time that I wasn't gathering firewood or whatever. Yep. But I guess they're all just so much. They're just gossiping and socializing. I guess. But it just seems to me the things you do are you find an idol then you tell no one. Nobody. You have an idol. No one, whether they're your best friend, your teammate, your twin. You just you keep it in your pocket and you shut your mouth. And it doesn't seem like anybody can do that. So because then everyone wants to flush the idol out. It's like, don't tell anyone you have one. Yeah. Crazy. All right. So episode begins. This is a two part episode with two. Did you know that? I didn't know that. No, I we should have been able to figure it out doing the math from like when the finale is what not. That's what I was like, oh, there's going to be a yeah. So right after Ozzie's voted out, Devon's is lying solo and yeah, I mean, I'm glad they put these episodes together because this if this first tribal had just been an episode onto itself, it was pretty boring. Yeah. Because it begins with them saying it's going to be Devon's and it was. Yeah, it was Devon's. Yeah. You know, that guy we said we were going to vote out, we voted out. Yeah. So it was interesting. I was really curious to see how the whole Rizzo Suri Ozzie thing would play out based on, you know, and, you know, Suri was pissed at Ozzie. Like when she found out, rightfully so. Yeah. So it's to, you know, she didn't want to have, you know, she didn't want him to go. Obviously. And I think it would have been tough for her. She would have been in a tough position if she had to vote or against him. But as it was, they had been separated. There was no communication that way. But Rizzo just let Ozzie go. I would love to see if anybody else told. Suri that that Ozzie told the plan, because it never even came into her head when Rizzo got there that he could be making this up, because he could have gone back. I think everybody. That's what I mean. I think everybody, you know, told her like, no, he was walking around saying you guys are going to the end and that kind of. I mean, it seems like Suri is just on top of everything. Like, she knows everything. And that's I think that seems to be her biggest skill set. I mean, they talk about her being like manipulative in a good way. But it's actually that she's more like she just has her ear to the ground. And her instincts are so right on. Like every time that she's like, you know what? I actually think she's spot on. She knows exactly what is happening. So to me, it's like her real superpower is just the ability to. You know, keep up with the word on the street. Yes. What's the word on the beach? And then and then read it correctly and read those sort of, you know, the signal. She understands that knowledge is power and she's usually holding all of it. It's crazy. Yeah. So I thought this was so funny that Jonathan just completely takes credit for voting Ozzy out. Oh, yeah. We did it when we and like Aubrey's just letting him do it. Yep. Like because I, you know, this is and this is the the the fun part that you've never seen is like they get to present their case to the jury before, you know, if they're in the final or whatever. And so a lot of times you'll see somebody like it like Aubrey in this moment will be able to say Jonathan thought that was all his idea, but it was was entirely. And if she isn't and so she could let him take the fall for it, right? Like people that are upset about Ozzy getting voted out will turn on Jonathan right now, maybe, but then she can say later, yep, that was all my plan. And none of you knew it because he just wanted to take the credit. So again, keeping your mouth shut. Key to this game. I make big moves, but then keep your mouth shut. Don't celebrate. Don't ever like get cocky. Just no. I think she could win. Yeah, I think she could win. Yeah. We'll have to see. Yeah. So I think she's letting him be the leader, which is just damn smart. Yep. All right. Devans immediately starts hunting for idols. Smart, which also makes Aubrey happy because she's like, great, that's going to put a target on him, which turns out to be exactly the case. And then Devans has this moment where he starts crying in the hammock with Joe. Yeah. And you can see he's trying to hold it together. Yeah, man. I totally teared up this episode. Did you? Because, yeah, with this and then his whole star speech during the tribal. That was really a movie. And I was like, oh, this is really sweet. Yeah. It's funny because he is this like he's kind of perceived as this like weasley goofball, but he's incredibly positive. He doesn't hurt anybody's feelings, it seems like, you know, like, and he's like smiling two people's faces and be like, I had to vote for you. Yeah. Or I tried. And I think that's a really good way to play. Like it's he's not weasley. And what does Saris say? She's like, yeah, thanks. That and two dollars will give me a cup of coffee. Right, right, Devans. And he's like, hey, it is what it is. I know. He's like, I got to play. Yeah. It's too bad. He got screwed this year. It's yeah, he's a fun player. It is interesting as a neophyte coming in, seeing how the different styles react to the different gameplay. It really is really it's an interesting thing to watch. Yeah. And I think, you know, the key that you couldn't appreciate those first, you know, first half of the season is that you have to fly under the radar. Yeah. You know, like you do not want your personality up front because people will just hurt on you or you'll just have if you make too big a move. It's like, this is when you make the big move. Yeah. This is when you're blindsided. If you're too big, like coach was just too big too early. Yeah. But he just took over not, you know, strategically and socially. Yeah. That's just nobody wants that. Like Jenna was at the name of the first girl that went and it was the. No, Jenna, not even Jenna V. This very first woman that went that went Jenna. Yeah. Who literally walked on to the islands like, Hey, everybody, I'm Jenna. We should vote out Bobby. And it was like, she's going to go. So aggressive. You just opened your mouth. Now you're gone. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, people let people run and just become their friend and supporters. And then yeah. All right. So they get to the challenge, which is this letter stacking. They have to spell immunity. And spelling. I'd be kicked out of the show so many times because of how weird. I think, you know, I'm a good speller in real life, but I would never be able to solve it. I think for whatever reason, we'll talk about it in the next one. When inconceivable came up, I was like, I don't know if my brain would do that. No. I did not blame them at all. I was like, I'm out. I was like, no, I am a good speller though. But for some reason, when it gets into like blocks, I just, my brain just, I can't unscramble. I'm like, I don't know. I cannot spell. And so I would just be like, I'm out. I always feel smart because they tell us, you know, we always know. Right. Watching at home. I'm like, I think in real life, if I was out there, my brain would just, especially not eating. No. Yeah. But this is a really interesting challenge. I love this is the classic. This is basically comes back every season now. And I think it's the classic because as you can see, the reversals are so huge. Like, I mean, it Joe's strategy worked, but there have been seasons past where somebody has gone as slow as he has and still failed. And so then I was like, on the edge of my seat with this one. It's incredible. This is a great, incredible challenge. And I just want to try them all. I want to try them all. They look so cool. I want to try all of these. But yeah, this is that. They really should just have a theme park somewhere. Yes. This is the survivor. Survivor land. Yes. Something like that. When they let you go and you just get to try it. Like you try all this stuff, you kill a chicken. Yep. You vote out Suri. I went to a wedding once on a beach. Like it was at a resort and they did have us play like competitive games on the beach. They weren't this big, but like it was super fun, you know. That's great. So yeah, I bet you there's companies out there that will. We've talked about this. There's got to be like a host your own survivor party. We might, we might have to do that. We might have to see what's up. Oh, I'd be so bad at all of these. I would have to try. So Joe's strategy is slow and steady. And you can see like Rizzo doing the opposite, just like stack, stack, run, stack. And he gets close. But it's like when you hit the like six or seven letters, it's so hard. So Joe's strategy completely works. Yeah. He gets the option because now they're going to go get some ribs. Oh, I forgot to talk about. Jeff's excitement over the food again. Oh yeah. You're going to have ribs. Ribs. Is your camera guys a cold spot? And you're going to have six in each. Yeah, hold aside. It's so sadistic. It is. It is. Because it's like on one end, yes, that's awesome. But on the other end, you just like, chill out. He should constantly have like sauce on his mouth as he's talking to them. It's just like he's just coming from a meal every time he's there. If Applebee's anybody, just hired him. It'd be great. Just make him the commercial. I think the commercial was just really good there. With a plate being like, I got all the fun ribs. And a rib fixing with a barbecue sauce. He's so into it. Just in front of a hungry people, a group of hungry people. Is he just eating there? God, it's so funny. So then Joe takes Sarri and Rizzo, which I was like, dude, no Tiff? No, I know. Tiff has been your girl. You have connected ever since you won that. So that was a bummer. But then he explains his choice, which is like, Sarri's got all the social connections. And Rizzo's about to die. And Rizzo's got, well, but also Rizzo has an idol. So it was like, actually Joe's thinking strategically, and not just socially and personally, which is, I guess, the right way to go. But meanwhile, Tiff is clearly upset about her lack of food because she starts really hounding Jonathan for eating their dry rice. It is kind of like, dude, don't eat the community rice. It's also, I think it's really bad for you. I don't think you're supposed to eat dry rice. There's no nutrients to that. It's like, it will just run through your body. Yeah, I don't think that's good for you. There's a reason you have to prepare rice. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But I just love that Jonathan doesn't care because he's just the guy. Yeah. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? What are you going to do? What are you going to do, Tiff? Take it out of my hands. What are you going to do, Tiff? Come and grab it. He's holding up high. Come on. Come get it. Yeah, no, crazy. You still don't see, I mean, now that Ozzy's gone, do you think anybody's even attempting to like fish or is that over? Like we don't have the calories to even swim in the water to fish. You wonder. Yeah. Susan also pointed out to me, I just heard her go, she's like, I would never do this show. At the very beginning of this episode, the very beginning of this episode, they're get back to camp. It's still dark and they're lying down talking about having to vote out Ozzy. Oh, I see. Yeah. And whoever is in the foreground lying down, a giant, either crab or spider, something huge, climbs right under her head. Oh my God. Right under her head. We watched it three times. And she didn't notice? She didn't notice. She's sitting like lying on her back like this and right between the nape of her neck and the top of her shoulders, this giant thing just crawls under. And obviously they've been on the island so long now that they just don't care anymore. And it's like, we've seriously watched it three times. It was like, oh God, it's either a spider this big or a crab just under her head. We've got to pull the clip for that. Yes, please do. You can see it. It's see it plain as day. It's like, oh God. So yeah, very islandy moment. See, I mean, yeah, as long as you don't know, I'd be fine. Like if I never thought, yeah. No, that's no idea. That's no idea. Huge thing right under the head. Yeah. I once, I visited my friend was living in India for a year. So I went and stayed with him for a while. And he was living in India, Hyderabetic India. And he was renting this place where we would sleep on the floor. Like we just had little mats on the floor, a pit toilet. And he tried to keep it as clean as possible, but cockroaches were. So I get in the first day, I'm like, oh, so this is a spot. And this is where we're sleeping, what we're doing. And within like five minutes of being there, I see him go, whoa, whoa, whoa. And he goes and he grabs two brooms that he keeps. And plays hockey with a cockroach to get it out of the house. And I'm like, what the heck just happened? These are cockroaches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. No joke. And he's like, at first I tried to kill them. And then they made such a mess every time I killed them. And I had to deal with these cockroach bodies and blood. So he was like, so what I do is I just have to play hockey to get them out. And he's like, I filled, I tried to duct tape every hole. I can find in this place, but I can't duct tape at all. So they're still getting through. And so every night we'd be sleeping there and I would just be thinking about, well, it's going to be a good point. They're going to crawl over me. I know it's going to crawl over me. Oh, God. They're big enough they've got like saddles on them and everything. It's like, yeah, no. I had to like, it was the hardest I've ever slept because I just, I mean, every day we'd have to chase out these cockroaches at least five times, six times a day. So you know at night there's five or six of them at some point running over you. Oh, God. Yeah, no, no, no. Thank you. No, thank you. But I think, I think if I was in the actual wilderness for some reason, it doesn't bother me as much as something about being at home and seeing a bug. There's a safety of where you're supposed to be yet. No, yes. So after her, you know, argument about the food and or bitching about the food or lack thereof, yeah, Tiff proposes a plan to get Rizzo out. And which is, I think pretty smart because I think so, has this idol and everybody's like letting him skate by. So Tiff is making a very good point. And Aubrey makes a point to the camera, which is really smart. And I had another layer of thinking, which is that Rizzo is who you want to be at the end with. That's where the whole thing changed for me because I said, oh my God, of course. You got this is why you got to think that far ahead. She puts it in a, exactly right. She's like, if they're looking at like, they're going to think, does this kid need $2 million? Yep. And do I even like this kid and he's been here for this amount of time and and that's so you got to also think about it's got to come down to a vote. It is such a balance of you got to screw people over, but not so bad. They won't vote for you at the end. They've got to kind of respect that you screwed them over. Yes. It's so weird. That's why the Jerry thing is cool though, right? Yeah. Because it means that you can't just be a complete sociopath. Right. Because if you're just evil and mean and you just rally the votes and promise things to people and then lie, they will never give it to you. So it really has this element of honor. There is an element of honor to it or at least honesty, right? You have to be like, here's who I am. Yeah. It's super interesting when the Jerry thing happens. There can also be a selflessness to it because I remember the press that Colby got the first year because he got to pick who went with him to the finals and he could if he picked Richard Hatch, everyone was like, you're going to win or whoever it was is like, if you're going to win. And if you pick the lady, you're going to lose and he ended up picking the lady because he wanted her to get the money. And so it's like there was that moment too. Yeah. Like, yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. And also people sometimes in the past have withheld personal information until they're presented at the Jerry and then they'll be like, I'm playing for my son. Oh, man. Which I think was what Christian was thinking about with his kid, like because he didn't mention it. And I bet if he had gotten to the Jerry, he would have been like, I have a new baby son and I was playing for him and I kept that personal as a secret. And I probably would have worked, right? Kind of brilliant. Who am I going to give millions of dollars to? The guy who, you know, really is going to put it towards his kid and his new life. Whereas like somebody like Rizzo, there's going to be a little bit of resentment if you're like, you're 24. Yeah. You'll have plenty of time. You got your, you're following now. You got everything you're going to need. You could be back out here in 20 years. Right. If I was Christian, I would just, I would sit there in front of the jury and I would just say, give me the money or I'm going to release my robot army because you know he's got one. And so I will not sick my robots on you. Exactly. Exactly. You will not be killed in the first robot wave. Yes. Exactly. The terminators will be programmed to know your face. Exactly. Everyone knows. Brilliant. All right. Well, then Tiff tells Jonathan the plan, which then Tiff tell, and Jonathan tells Sarri. There's a moment where the hammock breaks and Sarri hysterical. So funny. And he, I love, he's instantly concerned and she's laughing. She's like, I'm fine. But he's like, are you okay? Are you okay? Again, to that security point. Yes. But I also just love her attitude. I do too. And like this is why she loves her is because like here she sits on a hammock and it breaks. Like just the worst, most embarrassing, you know, and she's just immediately laughing. Big smile on her face. Yeah. I wanted her to win or Izzy to win, which is why they weren't gonna because everybody saw that too. Yeah. Weird. So that and Sarri of course does not want to turn on Rizzo because that's her only like major alliance left. She's actually been very loyal to her allies. I mean, she really has been very loyal to she picked allies and she's been manipulating the game, but she didn't really screw anybody over. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, amazing. So the tribal begins with lots of food talk and they express their resentment against Rizzo for not eating his chicken. So Devon's just raises his hand and says he knows it's likely him. Yeah. But then he says like, but this is season 50 and nothing is simple. Turns out it is that simple. Pretty simple. Pretty simple. Pretty much what the vote goes. I have never wanted a shot in the dark to work more than I did. I know. Me too. It was just like, man, I hope he pulled the right one and they're gonna change everything up. Because he raises it up to two million dollars for everybody. Yeah. He really, he's been a fun player. Yes. He's been so entertaining. And then when he gives that emotional speech about the stars, you know, I got like totally teared up. I was like, oh, dude, this is great. Yeah. So yeah, have the vote. Devon's plays the shot in the dark. It's not safe. The vote is all on him. Turns out it's a very straightforward episode. And then Tiff talks with Jonathan and Aubrey in the morning and points out Rizzo didn't play his idol. He might not play it again. We're just letting him escape by. But then Aubrey and Tiff start talking about the whole jury consideration. And everybody, you know, seems to agree that like Rizzo is who you want to take to the jury. But think about, but also look at the tale of two episodes, the same move, two completely different outcomes. Ozzy doesn't play his idol. It is the dumbest move in the history of Survivor. Rizzo doesn't play his idol and it's brilliant. And so it's like, it's exactly the same thing. But when, how can you not play your idol? We're all screaming at our TV sets. And everyone's like, oh God, Ozzy. But when Rizzo does it now, he gets to keep it for another week. It's like brilliant move. You're guaranteed to be in there now. Crazy. Actually, I think I misread my notes. So actually, yeah, I think what actually happened, because they aren't talking about Rizzo at this point. Aubrey is talking about how Tiff will win with the jury. And everybody agrees on that point. And Jonathan then tells Rizzo and tells him not to tell Sarri. Yes. Because he assumes, turns out correctly, that Sarri and Tiff were sharing information. But Rizzo, because of his Sarri connection, tells Sarri and calls himself Rizzo the rat, as opposed to the Riz god. The Riz god. How about everyone's just giving the, what would you, what nickname would you give yourself? Rider f***ing strong. Oh yeah. No, I don't know. I actually don't know. How about Rider die? I'm Rider f***ing strong. I'm Rider die. I'll be your Rider die. Yeah, I'm with you forever. I don't know, man. I can't talk about myself in third person. It makes me so uncomfortable. Rider gets like, I'm so too cheap. Rider doesn't do that. Rider don't do that. Yeah. That's great. And yeah, no, I couldn't, I don't know. I don't know what my play style would be, you know? I think you'd be honest. I think I'd be Joe. I think I'd probably be Joe. I'd be Mopey. I'd be like, my turn, my paranoia into like serious emotions. I'd be a baby. I'd probably be a baby. Like my goal going in would to not be Joe, because that would be my instinct. Right. My instinct would be to like, look, if I look you at the eye and I tell you the truth, I will never lie and I just won't play that way. And I will expect that from you. And that will make everybody's life hell. And then they will all be manipulating me or avoiding me for that reason. So I would go in, try not to be that. And maybe I could, maybe I could pull it off. I don't know. I don't know. I would just be like, Rider, chill out, chill out. Don't take off personally. I'd try to just be the funny guy and it would be great for the first two days. And then they'd instantly vote me out. They'd be like, I'm done with this. You think so? Yeah. No. I think it would get on people's nerves after a while trying to crack jokes when you haven't eaten in 12 days. Me going, hey, who's around a town? I think they're going to want to kick me the hell off the island. I just flew in from there. And boy, am I on the spot. She's boy-gonna, boy, am I on the spot. She's like, dude, knock, knock, who's there? Hey! A crippling hunger. Yeah, so I don't think. I disagree, dude. I think you would be beloved for that very reason. They'd be like, we need some entertainment around here. Who knows? So good. Oh my God. All right. So into the challenge. This is a weird one. I don't think I've ever seen this teeter-totter tunnel thing that they're doing, which does not look fun. No. And it like slams them out too. This was violent. And just for what? Just to like, wear them out and freak them out. This really is not, it's not hard. It's not like, I don't know, it's a weird thing, but looks cool. There. So they got to do that. Then they got to walk or then they have to pull up discs from a, some kind of handle situation. Yeah. Walk across a balance beam, carrying puzzle pieces, with this handle that they've got, and then do an arch puzzle to spell out a word. And they don't know what the word is. And this is where I was like, why all this talk about, you know, who's going to be winning when it's Jonathan and Joe are immunity monsters, like challenge monsters. I like these people. And sure enough, it kind of comes down to them. Yeah. And then everybody starts helping them. I don't understand that. It gives up her game. Yeah. I didn't either. Like, and she admitted afterwards that it was a mistake. Yeah. But it's really weird that they are just going, bowing down to both these guys, that these two guys are helping each other. Like, they're not, because it's like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, you're going to have to turn on one another. Right. I think. Right. Unless the two of them, do they really think, because they haven't actually said this, do they think they're going to end up just the two of them, Joe and Jonathan, at, in the final three with like Rizzo? Is that what they're thinking? God, who would get them? Can you imagine if it was the three of them together, if that's the finals? I mean, I don't know who they'd vote for. But I don't, what would Joe and Jonathan, I think Joe would be the more like most likeable and have the best story in terms of firefighter or, you know, honest player, right? Not lying to people. Jonathan has lied to people, but strategically, they were followers. They just did what they were told. They were leaders in the sense that they would rally the troops, right? They were not leaders in terms of big moves. They didn't decide, they made the decision. And so if Aubrey was there with the two of them, she'd be able to point that out. And she would win because everybody would be like, oh, you actually knew how to play this game. And you got these guys to listen to you and to rally the troops, but the votes, but actually you were the one pulling the strings. And Rizzo would have the same argument. He would be able to say, like, look at this, I did this, I went and did that. So I don't know what they're thinking. They really should be turning on each other at the very least. Because one of them could get through just on an immunity challenge for the same reason that Tiff gets through with her winning this challenge. Because Tiff could just keep winning individual challenges and make it to the end. She's a beast. There's only two more challenges left. She is so good at this. Yes. She's really good at this game. Oh, she's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, even while the challenge is going on, Jeff is pointing out how weird it is that they're helping and like, and Jonathan is so weird. And Tiff decides to just completely work by herself and totally crushes him. Yes. And I just, I love Joe with the A when he's like, inconceivable. I got to go back to school. That's how, yes. I was the same one when they showed it. It's misspelled. It was like E and something. What's the problem? It looks perfect to me. There's two eyes next to each other. It starts with an E. What's the problem? Incinceivable. Incinceivable. Incinceivable. I don't think that means what you think it means. So yeah, it's, I, oh, I, the second. I think I would have, I, I would have, I mean, I knew it because there was a name at the episode, but I honestly probably would have had a hard time. Like, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't blame them at all. Nope. Me neither. But Aubrey admits, you know, she's frustrated with herself for not playing her own game. And I was kind of like, yeah, no crap. Yeah. Like that's, yeah. And then Aubrey points out that's a re we'll win this game. She goes for Rizzo. Yeah. And you know, Rizzo knows that she's his biggest threat with the jury too. Yeah. But he says, she's the mafia. You say her name and she knows and shirt off the Custodian juice. She's like, somewhere, someone's saying my name. Which is, but she says she knew the second Tiff one, which just goes to show how strategic cause she was like, uh, I'm done. Yeah. I'm out. And she knew, it's crazy how well she knows these moves. And then she makes the move, which is the coolest move. She frames Aubrey. She tells a lie, which is so genius because it's, it's information that she got from Rizzo. She is not betraying Rizzo. So she's keeping Rizzo's trust in some ways, but she's forcing Rizzo to not, and he has to, because he would have to admit that he was the one. So he's in this weird position. So I thought it was good. She might be able to pull it off. It was brilliant. It was brilliant. Even Rizzo said, he's like, and then she's trying to frame her, which is genius. It's like, yeah. He says a master stroke. It is. It's so true, man. She's so good at this. She's so good. Yep. And I really thought it was going to work. You know, Joe confronts Aubrey and she tells him she doesn't say anything to tip the vote, but it's like they have to, you know, and I'm surprised they don't even bring up Rizzo. Maybe they did, but they don't show it in the end. All right. But it's, I also love, did you see the second time that she goes and she sits on the hammock? No. So Rigo, so Rigo's and sits on the hammock again and then looks at, looks at Johnathan and goes, ah, okay, good. I didn't need a whole bunch of ribs today. So that's why I didn't fall this time. Oh, I didn't. Yeah. So she's like, I'm not, I'm not a full of ribs. That's probably why it's, it was great. Still cracking jokes. All right. At the tribal, there's an interesting moment where Jeff was like, are you guys surprised that you're all that you're here? Who's surprised there? And they all raised their hand. I call bullshit. I would call bullshit on that as well. I was like, and you could tell that they were like, some of them were just kind of like, oh, oh, I guess I should. Oh, me too. Yeah. But I was like, you guys all think you deserve to be here. These people are good players. They've worked hard. They've gone, you know, they've stressed themselves in ways that they weren't comfortable with. So I call bullshit on that little like, like false modesty. I agree. I agree. Now, but the question is, what if you were the one who didn't put your hand up and it's like, because then you would have called you out. Why, why did you put your hand? And you have to be like, because I'm a good player. Exactly. Yeah, right. I had to do it because the jury was watching. But I, I don't know. I agree with you. I agree with you on a percent. I think it was. It's like, oh, I've got it. I've got it. I'm gonna be humble. I'm surprised I'm here. And it's like, no, you're not. You played well and you're here. Yep. Yeah. And then also this interesting moment where Jeff points out that Ciri and Aubrey are the two players who have been really like this close to winning before and haven't, which I thought was like, oh, because sure enough, the vote tonight is pretty much down to the two of them. Yeah. So it's interesting that like they're in that fragile position, but they're also the players who know the most and have gone farthest. So. But you're right though. Why? Who determines it's down to the two of them? Nobody talks Joe. Nobody talks Jonathan. It's just they seem to fixate on two names and it's like, well, it's down to these two. And it's like, well, why? And also they all dropped the ball with Rizzo. Yeah. Because Tiff had been pointing out now for two tribals, hey, if he doesn't think the votes are going his way, he's not going to use his idol. And then he's got a free ride into the final four, which is happening. Yes. He now has an idol which he has to play next time. So he can't get voted out. Yeah. So he's in the final four. Yeah. It's also one thing we didn't mention earlier because it was really impressive is Jonathan talks about how powerful the last tribal was, not with Devons, but with Ozzy. Because that one tribal you got rid of Ozzy, his idol and Cereze double vote. Yep. It was like that was a huge hit to change the game up. So true. And so it's like, OK, do we get try to get Rizzo's idol out, which is the he's the only one left, right? The only idol left is Rizzo. Yep. And then there's somebody. It's like, how do you know there's a golden ticket? There's a win the game for free and you don't spend every waking moment climbing trees finding that thing. But I just don't know. Like why didn't they at least split the votes in this right? You know, like we got to go. We got to go for Rizzo a little bit because he might not. Yeah, I don't know. It's just weird. You vote for Rizzo. You tell Rizzo, we're voting for you. So you better play your idol to get rid of the idol. But then you split it and you also do two for three and then she's out. I mean, you get the same exact. And then you leave Rizzo in that position because if he although, I guess, I guess maybe they all really want him in the end with them. Like, I guess you think that's it that they think he's so unlikeable, frankly, that no one maybe not unlikeable, but young and idealistic to the point where no one's going to give him the two million. I think that maybe. I mean, I don't know. Jonathan and Joe have not said as much. But I think they're dumb because if because I think actually the two of them with Rizzo, Rizzo might win like the jury because because neither one of them played as strategically as he did. I agree. I feel like if I was on the jury and it came down to Rizzo, Jonathan or Joe, I think I would vote for Rizzo. Rizzo. And I think everybody because he has he has an argument. He's like, look, I'm playing this game. I have circles around these two guys. They're you know, they're better challenges, obviously. And they got, you know, they had a lot of like power socially, but they were very transparent. They never did anything like really sophisticated to the degree that he's sophisticated like he's been a sophisticated player. He survived a lot in this game. He might. This is going to be fun to see how this comes down. I think if Aubrey is not Aubrey or Tiff are not on in the finals. I think Rizzo could could take the whole game. Yep. So we, you know, they go to vote and I just think it's so sweet that Suri and Aubrey have so much respect for each other. Even though they're voting against each other. I feel like that is like the the cool, classy way to play Suri. Yeah. Were they on the same at the same one before? Like have they played this together before or no? Oh, no. Same seasons. No. Same season. Okay. They weren't. Gotcha. I don't think so. Okay. No, but they just have them. You know, I just love seeing them like even when Suri's voted out. It's like just full of respect for everybody. Crazy. And then Jeff, let Suri say the tribe has spoken, which I was like, has this never has this ever happened before? I don't know. Trap your smoke in. Trap your smoke in. What an honor. I thought that was really cool. It was like, I think in some ways she's probably like the greatest survivor player. That's what everyone's saying. To have never won. Yeah. She's played it five times. That's crazy. She's Dan Marino. She's the best quarterback out of the, sorry, sports ball metaphor. Best quarterback ever who never, ever actually won. So he got the most baskets. Yes. He made the most wickets. He made the, yeah. He, most wickets were garnered that day. Cool. But no, never won the Super Bowl. Yeah. And then Suri is gone. Trap your smoke in. Trap your smoke. She was awesome. And they're right. They had to get rid of her because everybody would have voted for her, myself included. Like, of course she wanted to win. Yeah. She's great. She's the best. Yeah. I'll miss her. I will too. Well, maybe we'll see her next week. Oh, or will we? Or will we? Well, so they don't know that there's a finale. They do. I don't think, I think the way he set it up was they don't know what, how they're going to get to the finale. Like he said, is there going to be a fire challenge? Is there going to be this? Is there going to be live? The last few seasons, they haven't done a live in LA survivor finale. They've done it right there. So they like, that's like been maybe since COVID, I feel like. They haven't, they would just like say, we're doing the finale with the jury right here. Or we do the, they do the voting there. And then it used, so what they'll do. Since we know that there is a finale live in LA next week. What ends, what's going to happen is they do the whole presentation to the jury. They have the finalists present their case, the jury votes, and then they don't reveal those votes until they're back in LA. Months later, a month or two months later, whatever. Okay. I think it's some of the people are saying it's been almost a year. Is that right? No, since season 50. I mean, I've heard people saying that, that they're like, I had to wait for almost a year. No, I think it's been. It has been a few months. It's been. Okay. You sure Emily was just there? I thought she was there in like January. Okay. Yeah, we'll find out. But yeah, so it is interesting that they playing the game don't know, like they think they're going to find out about whether they win $2 million. They could find out within two days from what we're watching. But he's like, we'll find out, you know, the fans will decide. But we know. June 2025, it's been a year. Oh my God. That's what I thought. That's what they're saying is they've had to hold, they have had to bite their tongues for a year. They still, well, actually there's nothing to bite their tongue about. They don't know who's won. It's been a year. They know who didn't win, right? And they have to be quiet about that. Right. But that's crazy. Wow. Yeah. It's been a year. Literally a year. So this is, this finale is going to be exciting because they're all going to have been home for a year. And three of them are going to be sitting there, not knowing if they're. Yeah. $2 million richer. Oh my God. That's crazy. Well, so should we reveal that we are? We're going, baby. We're going to the finals. Oh, we're going to the finals. I'm so excited. I am so excited. We're actually going to be there to watch this happen. I'm bringing my son, Indy. Bringing my wife. And we are going to have seats. This is going to be, I'm so excited, dude. I can't wait to see them all on stage. And you'll be blown away by like how different people look. Oh, I'm sure. Even just on the jury after three days. They look different. A jury they just, but actually they gained their weight back. And they were like, oh yeah, you, you, you, this is you at your normal weight. You're not like 40 pounds under. Rizzo coming in look like Chris Farley. Exactly. Oh man, that's great. Yeah, that's going to be fine. So we're very excited to bring you at the finale and we will talk about it. And thank you, Survivor, for letting us come. That's so cool. So cool. So well, Indy actually hasn't been watching the season with me. So he's going to have to like pound all 12 episodes in the next seven days. But yeah, I'm so excited. Yeah. And we will be sure to report back. Heck yes. All about the finale. Oh yeah. That's so cool. Oh my God, I'm so excited. So cool. All right. You got a survivor for me? I do. And this is a crazy one. This is of course, where's history of survivors? Oh, thank you. Opaletic. Yeah. I'm trying to go a little bit more classy, my friend. That's just the way it is. Today we're talking about, and I apologize for horribly mispronouncing this name because I'm going to, Tsutumo Yamaguchi. And this guy, damn. So he drove from his house one morning in 1945, I believe it was. Yes, to 1945. He drove to Hiroshima on a business trip. Oh God. Where of course, the bombs fell. Oh my God. So he was in the blast and survived. He was in the hospital for three days. What did he do after he got out of the hospital? He drove back home to Nagasaki. Oh my God. Where the next bomb fell and he survived again. How did he survive? So a resident of Nagasaki, he was in Hiroshima on business for his employer, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, when the city was bombed at 815 on August 6, 1945. He then returned to Nagasaki the following day. They don't say how he survived, but despite his wounds, he returned to work on August 9, the day of the second atomic bombing. That morning, he was, yeah, and then he lived to be 93 years old. Wow. And then he lived to be 93 years old. I wonder what it was, if he just got behind the one piece of metal or his car. I'm so curious how he actually- Who knows? I'm trying to see if they get more into it, but he said he never thought Japan should- That's the war drag. No. Oh wait, here we go. So, yeah, he was preparing to leave the city with two colleagues when he was on his way to the train station, when he realized he'd forgotten his hanko, which is a type of identification stamp common in Japan, and returned to his workplace to get it. He was walking toward the docks when the Anola Gay dropped Little Boy near the center of the city. He saw the bomber in two parachutes before a great flash in the sky, and he was blown over. The explosion ruptured his eardrums and blinded him temporarily and left him with serious burns over the left side and top half of his body. After recovering, he crawled to a shelter and having rested, he set out to find his colleagues. They had also survived, and together they spent the night in an air raid shelter before returning to Nagasaki the following day. In Nagasaki, he received treatment for his wounds, and despite being heavily rebandaged, he reported for work on August 9th, and then at 11 a.m., he was describing the blast in Hiroshima to his supervisor when the next bomb Fat Man was dropped on the city. He was again three kilometers from ground zero, but this time he was unhurt by the explosion. However, he was unable to replace his now ruined bandages, and he suffered from a high fever and continuous vomiting over the next week. But can you imagine? He lived to be into the 90s. He lived to be 93 years old. That's insane. Two atomic blasts within days the dude survived. I mean, nuts. Absolutely nuts. Yes. That's a good one, Jesus. That's a good one. Yeah, I'll say. That's a good one. So yeah, shout out to Tomu Yamaguchi. All right, you've been listening to Pod Meets Twirld. 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