Q&A Special: Top 4 Albums of 2025, Crowbar's Sudden Popularity & Favorite HardLore Moments Ever

Bean Guzzler said, talk about crowbar. What they are going through right now, TikTok kids and the Zoomers have discovered, and it's repulsive and it's splendid beauty. Great song, but like top 50 crowbar songs? No. You don't think so? Fuck no. But it's crazy what connects with people and how fast it can happen. It's amazing. And now Kirk is on TikTok Live getting galaxies sent to him. Yeah. By me. Yeah. MUSIC MUSIC Hello, welcome. It's hard work time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing good, Colin. We've been doing so much traveling and in-person stuff. You know, it just felt like, hey, maybe we do a little catch up, a little Q and A. That's right. After eight weeks of. Because we got more coming up. So, you know, it feels good. Maybe we dial it back a little bit. That's true. After eight weeks of pure heat, we're chilling this week. We just want to chat, catch up, catch up with all of you, answer some of your questions, and start first and foremost with, we didn't do a hard-law awards this past year. We just had too much going on and too much to do. And as you saw the past eight weeks, we had a lot coming. So we figured we'd start by letting you know, here are our personal top four hardcore records of 2025. OK. I think you and I are going to have a few overlaps. Borderline identical possible. Possibly, yeah. Number one. Number one, C4 payback. That's number one, for sure. Number two, skinhead. That's a beautiful day. What a beautiful day. All right. Now we might deviate maybe. Yeah. Number three is the Whitsend demo two. Oh, cool. Sick. Amazing. Hardcore, capital hard, capital core. And my number four is Scarab Burn after listening. Very nice. So I went number three. I went turn style. That burn off. Unbelievable. We've talked about it. Nauseam. It's never enough. We can't get enough of it. And number four was Homefront Games of Power. I love that record. If you're into like later blitz, kind of maybe black marble even some of the textures in there. And you haven't heard this record. I saw them open for Cox Bar at the Palladium. That's all enough. And they were they fit right in. And the reaction was like insane. That's amazing. Yeah. So I've been I've been digging that record. I kind of forgot that it came out last year. I listened to it in a trunk. You know how you just spend like a month on a record and then you just kind of move on. You move on. When I remember it, I was like, oh, fuck, that's right. So really like that record. Games of Power. Honorable mentions to the records that we put out, which are Mongrel, Baptize and the Gutter, co-release by Daze, Firestarter still holding on, Straight Edge, Legendary, the Youths of Tomorrow, Cosmic Joke Force Perspective, Our Beloved Brothers, co-released by Triple B Records. And here are now our top four non-hardcore records by 2025. I'm curious to see how non-hardcore you get. I mean, completely. OK, good. Number one would be Tribal Gaze and Vang Brilliantz. Oh, you're still going heavy. Oh, yeah. For the most part. I didn't go heavy. Just about the heaviest thing you'll ever hear. Maybe the heaviest guitar tone ever recorded in history. Iboken Mendacium. I think I'm saying that right. I don't care because they're American. So in terms of like slow, brutal, doom metal, brutal emotionally, not like chug, chug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just this band is undefeated and they have been for so long. And I love to see them still rocking. Next would be a record that's relatively new to me. This is Hedonist Scapula Mancy. Well. Brother. Yeah. This thing's nuts. Yeah, I've not even heard of that. They do the Bolt Thrower thing a lot better than many contemporary bands trying to do the Bolt Thrower thing, like the ringing out open riff with the sick lead over it. Yeah. And they understand having like the moment in every song, which many death metal bands don't. Do not. Yeah, for sure. They don't remember that. And they don't meander. The records, the songs go by. There's a big event in all of them. And there's a reason to get to the end. My last one would be my number one record of last year. That would be Jade. That's showbizbaby. It's a masterpiece. Can't believe it. Listen to it no less than 1,000 times. All right. Mine are pretty different. I put Mayhem by Lady Gaga. Oh, dude. I mean, omission for me for sure. But I wasn't truly when you said non-hardcore. I really went like fully non-hardcore. I didn't even think heavy. So that's kind of my misinterpretation. That's fine. Ethel Cain, Willoughby Tucker, I'll Always Love You. Great record. Haunting, amazing record. Sabrina Carpenter, man's best friend. Fucking tracks on that record. Couple tracks. I just think it's fun. I enjoy it. I agree. And lastly, it was the newest deftones record, private music. There's a couple tracks on that that were my personal definition of earworms. Where I don't even know why. I just could not get them out of my head. I think that's a success. That's a hit. That's how you do it, especially late in your career. And here we go with the Q&A. It's Q&A time, everybody. Let us begin. We're going to start with the Patreon questions. This is a good question. First question by Run The Jewels. If you could time travel to see one, go back and see one show you were at and one show you were not at, what shows would they be? That's a great question. Whoa. One show you were at. So relive a show. Yeah. Probably The United Blood 2009. It was the Chromag. It was like Chromag's Converge, Rise and Fall were like the last three. Convicted played, Foundation played. It was just kind of like, it was one time where I was watching a festival. I was like, oh, this is, this is my shit. Like this is, here we are. And everyone watched. I watched COA scream the verse to hard times in JJ's face, like this close. He was like hard times. Like, and he was incredible. You know what I mean? Yeah. I would probably like to revisit that one. And one that I wasn't at is like the fucking misfits, negative approach in Detroit and 81. You know what I mean? The last show. Yeah. Uh, it's one show I was at. I would go back to the bolt thrower autopsy benediction show. And I would dive the whole time. No matter. Yeah. No matter what. Bride security. Not just the first three songs until stopped. Cause that I will, I will just never forget that experience and how beautiful it was. Do you remember what the. How psyched the band was. You remember what the three songs were? I mean, it was, it was fourth crusade. Yes. Opened. And then it was like war remembrance or something. And. Dude, it might have been powder burns. Third, it was crazy. That's crazy. Cause I was nuts. I wonder if they played the same set when we saw him, you know, probably. I would think so. I don't think it was a rotating. I remember, you know, I think they did open with fourth crusade. Oh man. That's and that's insane. Yeah. I was pitting for powder burns straight up. Uh, one show I was not at. What shows would they be either the killing time last show? Cause just being in the mix and that looked unbelievable. Yeah. Or the fucking bad brains that 82 82 Christmas. Yeah. Awesome. It's the sickest thing ever. Okay. This is a great question from heavy, from the king heavy riffage. Oh, probably. What were some local bands you expected to blow up, but never did. Local bands. Yeah. Now that's interesting. Cause we kind of have very few bands like blow up from Chicago. So it was kind of the opposite. It was like fallout boy. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You know, rise against. I think it's like, um, I more so. So the band violation from the, the late 2000s, I see. I think if they became like a full time touring entity remix their LP, did another LP would still be raging to this day. Like they were such a definitive band in California in the late 2000s, like smoked everybody. I imagine you would have quite a few answers for this. I mean, there's so many. While you think, I think one from here that does come into mind is Lurk, the band Lurk. Cause they were doing it for me. They were doing it and it seemed like, I don't know, it seemed like they just didn't quite catch a break. Like not even to disparage anything. They were doing awesome shit. It was just like sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't put out the song at the right time. It's all timing, dude. It's all, it's truly, it is a combination of luck, timing and skill. Yeah. But I really liked Lurk. I really liked what they were doing. And hopefully they come back. I don't know. Well, the home is in military gun. Yeah. Which is, and he's killing it. So it's like that, that mashup makes total sense. It's great. You know, it's a great man. Favorite Korean food dish. Brother. I mean, aside from all barbecue, yeah, the bulgogi, the brisket, the Calbi, the black bean noodle is one of the greatest culinary innovations in history. Ja Ja Myeong, I think it's called. I don't know how to pronounce it, so I'm sorry, but I believe that's the, the technical term. I love a rice cake. I think it's Korean. It is like a spicy rice cake. Yeah. That's insane. With the cheese and the soft corn. They got the craziest mashup over there and it seems great. I'd love to go. So much cheese. A lot of cheese and a lot of melted cheese. I got to get my, I got to get over there. I got to get over there. Dylan Reed asks, would you all ever have a melodic hardcore band on the show to defend the existence of melodic hardcore? Like, yes. Yeah. I don't, I don't think we, it's not the existence of, I get it. We get it. We were there. Guys. We just had enough. Oh, I was just going to say, we just had Nick Hexham on the show. Oh yeah. You don't know what I'm saying? Like, like peripherally that is associated with lots of stuff you would think we wouldn't like. It doesn't matter. Yeah. That's not what this is about. It's just like that kind of music wasn't our thing. Nick Hexham just happened to be kind of our thing. But so there's, there are bands like we talk about all the time. Have heart has melodic parts. I think people can consider have heart a melodic. But I mean, I think they're asking like a band that would, like we would, our natural instinct would be like, fuck that. Have them on to talk about it. And like we have things in common and common ground with all these bands. That's just not our thing. We're just two guys. Also, we're not talking about like this music is bad. It was a, it was a time period that we lived through also. Yes. There's like context to why we feel the way that we do. Precisely. Those were just the doldrums. We were there and it was a dark time. No wind in the sales. Nothing dude. Dylan Reed asked Colin, what drives you to adopt senior dogs? Just put my, oh man, just put my 11 year old dog down last week and it sucks. I asked, can't imagine getting a dog that I know won't love. I won't live long. I'm very sorry to hear about that. I can't even imagine that. Um, George is my first senior dog, right? But I can already say that like I've had him for 11 months now, I think. And those 11 months have been so special that like if he died tomorrow, I'd be devastated, but I'd be grateful just to have had that. You know what you've done for him. Oh my God. And yeah, dude, like he's the most spoiled, happiest guy now. He's just a little baby. He's just a little old baby. He's so awesome. He's a great dog. And like I just, um, I was, well, I think we were, Lon and I were very inspired by Mike and Britti who are constantly. Yeah. Saving animals and helping them and showing them what life can be. And they go through losing them all the time. And it, and it just like, if anything, it makes room for you to do it again. Some other dog. I'll never not have a senior dog. Period. Never again. Uh, condolences. My Miles X asked a video game studio has reached out to make a skin and put a track from your bands in the game. What is the game and what is the track? Love it. It's just going to be four. I mean, it like a skin. It has to be. Yeah. Uh, if I, if I have the ability to be in fortnight and be like, uh, and greedy on fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ariana Grande. Yeah. I want that. Put me in fucking Astroneer, make a bow, Astroneer skin. I'm in there taking over that planet. What song do we want in a game? Let's see. Mine would be something kind of nice and ambient. So it would be like the gift, like a, a creepy, creepy track for Astroneer. If I'm in fortnight and I want it to be my drop song, my victory song and my jam track, well, A, I know technically what has to go into that. And it has to be something to the grid that they can rip the track separately and link up with a, with a steady BPM. Cause that's how that works. The only record that's on a grid is gaining purpose, I think. Oh, okay. Uh, so it would sound like it would be fun. If it starts, if it starts with just Taylor, go to, yeah, that'd be fun. And you see like the chicken from family guys. Yeah. Or whatever it is. Yeah. That'd be fun. That's good. Uh, yeah, we'll go with that. Or a crucifixion. Very good. What have you been playing lately? Resident Evil. Tell the people, tell the world. Brother. Every few years, the new resident evil comes out and I have to like remember that it's my favorite thing. Yeah. Because when, when it's not in season, let's say it isn't at the forefront of, of what you talk about game. It's off cycle. So I'm not thinking about it. And it's because they're, they're designed, they're so short. Are they really? Oh yeah. They're, they're, if you know where stuff is, they're four hours long. Oh shit. If you don't, they're 12, 15. Yeah. Right. How long did Requiem take you? Requiem, I think I did like pretty much everything. And it was like 12, 13. But it feels long. And, and it is easily, I think it goes four to Requiem. In terms of sheer quality. I'm blown away. And then I'm now replaying four and I'm re blown away. Do you, to play four need you have played the others? I would play if you, I would just start, if you, if you're looking to start. Yeah. Start with two remake. Two remake. Two, they, the reason they did remade two and four is because two, four, nine is like a self-contained trilogy. Got you. Okay. It's not the same when you don't know about Chris and Jill and the people from one and then three is Claire again, I believe, I forget. Or not. I think it's Jill. It might be Jill and Claire. It's been a while. The, the remake is horrible. So I would do, if you're going to do it two, four, nine, seven, eight. So it does one, three and five and six just suck. No, I mean, one is, one is goaded, but it's dated. Sure. And a remake is coming. So just wait for that. Yeah. And then code Veronica remake, I think is next year and that will be awesome. Okay. Which one is code Veronica? One number. Code Veronica is just in between. It's in between either three and four or four and five. Okay. But four, when you play two is like two remake is like unreal and it's meant to be played twice. Cool. Cause you play it from Leon's perspective perspective and then you play it from Claire's perspective. Uh, and it's 10 hours to do both. Wow. And then four is like unreal. Yeah. Just do it, do it. You'll love it. Uh, it's puzzles. Yeah. Yeah. Which is appealing. Yes. Some of my favorite, some of my favorite parts of like God of war, like the old God of war games, we're in the puzzles, you know, it's just the little puzzles you get to. And then it's, it's the best. I've been playing. Pocopia. Oh, you're obsessed. Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I got to get it. It's unbelievable. Taylor and I are just playing it, sitting next to each other. And like I told you, we're, we're over like 50 hours and it just, it's been out for two days. Yeah. We just got it. I'll get it for, I'll get it today. It's, I'm not scared. It's awesome. It's, uh, it feels overwhelming. And then all of a sudden you're doing your tasks and you're like going and going. And then you're just like, oh shit, it's four a.m. That's crazy. Santa more. I'm getting it. Who was your starter on, on red or blue? Bulbasaur. Or sorry, a Squirtle almost always. Yeah. Same. Okay. You'll, you'll be pumped. James Hosking asks, if you guys could own one piece of gear from rock history, what would you pick? It's great. I've thought about this. You have. I have a love for guitars and things that are named because it's like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones where there's like at this ice and sting and whatever, like things with, with that are so fabled. Um, so there's a couple that I've thought about, uh, Jeff Hanuman had a crazy BC rich that I believe Sammy from goat horror wound up with. Now he's probably rocking it in a suburb. And it was the rain and blood guitar. Ah, so like think about what's in that. You know, uh, John Christ Danzig one through three guitar is in a hard rock in Orlando. That's fucked up. Just sitting in a case. And that's literal like Wayne's world, like kneeling to Excalibur type shit. Yeah. You know, I think, oh, I have the answer and this is what made me think about the question. And I think I've talked about in the show, there's an interview with Noel Gallagher where he says he, he got a guitar off of Johnny Maro's Les Paul, 70s Les Paul. And he kind of like accidentally stole it for like a decade, ran into Johnny Maro later on. I was like, Hey, I still have that guitar. Like if you want it, he said, Oh, don't worry about it. I got it off Townsend. So it was Pete Townsend and then Johnny Mara and then Noel Gallagher, which is probably the best lineage one guitar could ever have one guitar has ever had. So it would be that. I'll be having that. Mine would be the little, uh, Danzig skull necklace from the cover of Lucifer's that he sold in. So cool. Give me that. Dude, the, the insert for Danzig, I think it's Danzig to is an upside on cross. Have you ever seen that? Yeah. With their, their photos. Yeah, but it's folded. Yeah. It's the best. It's, I have it on my wall. It's, it's so cool. The guy loves Satan. It is what it is. He's basically going like Glenn Benton and Glenn Danzig. Glenn Deasai. Whoa. Uh, Jacob Thompson asks, uh, for Colin, do you think Twitch Fits helps solidify your vocals to a higher level? Or was that a trajectory you were already on? I think it is the greatest singing exercise I've ever done in my life. And it taught me so much and it has made me so much better. And I wish I did it when I was 15 and not 30 something. Seeing the first time I saw Twitch Fits was on the boat, which is insane. And I had no voice and it's still work. And it's still worked. So pretty crazy. We're getting there. Yeah. Bean Gozler said, talk about crowbar. I mean, we're going to have them on this year a hundred percent. Like it's going to happen. We're working on it. It's in the works. But what they are going through right now, it couldn't, they're, so if you haven't looked at their Spotify metrics, they probably had 80,000 monthly listeners a year ago. Yeah. You know, there are over a million now. Yeah. TikTok kids and the zoomers have discovered and it's repulsive in its splendid beauty. Is that do down? Great song. But like top 50 crowbar songs. No, you don't think so. Fuck no. Wow. It's good. They, I mean, that's what happens when you have a thousand bangers. Yes. But I wouldn't, I would, I wouldn't even put it in the B tier of like their song. Wow. It's S tier of music because it's theirs. Yeah. But it's crazy what connects with people and how fast it can happen. It's amazing. And now Kirk is on TikTok live getting galaxies sent to. Yeah. By me. I see that in our TikTok studio reports. What I, what I like to, and maybe this is like a weird parasocial thing on my behalf or their behalf. I don't know. I like that they're like enamored with Kirk. I have been my, my whole life. I know, but I think that that's sweet. I get it. Is like, yeah. I totally agree. They like found the music and they're like, and it's this guy. And it's this fucking guy. You know, and like that's, that's really cool to me. What they're going through is the ultimate jackpot for any band on record six plus. Yes. And Lord knows they are. It, it. Crowbar is the ultimate example of everybody that likes them, listens to them and thinks, how is this not the biggest man in the world? Right. And now the right people have found them at the right time that could actually make that happen. And when it happens to acid, Beth, a band that you could only listen to on YouTube two years ago. Yeah. Anything is possible. It's incredible. It makes me really, truly happy. I wonder what numbers and, and however it would break down from streams to record sales and blah, blah, blah, compared to the nineties. For Crowbar. Does, does your, you know, does all I had, I gave playing on MTV twice a day equate anything near what I mean? I'm sure that I'm sure the BMI check for that was great. I just now, dude, now I mean, it's, it's millions of streams a day. That's what I'm saying. And so, and then plus Tik Tok shit and like, I don't know. I think they're making, and then they're drawing more than ever sold out, baby. I think I like they play chain reaction a year and a half ago. Yeah. That's like, it was like 200 cap. Yeah. They played Reggie's around that time too. They could not, they can't, you, they would have to play the play. Damn. You know, it's, it's, it's game on for crowbar and it's about fucking. It's about, it's like 30 years too late or not too late, but overdue, I should say. Overdue. Exactly. They're, they were due. Incredible. Here we go. Top three R and B songs not named return of the Mac. Easy. Easy. Uh, oh my life. I'm living my life. Brave of someone like you. That's Casey and Jojo. I thank God. Yeah. Right. Yes. Um, and then I would say what, well now the answer, the question is what genuine song do I pick? Probably differences. Okay. My whole life has changed since you came in. Uh, I would say honorable mention would be Mario. Let me love you. Dude. You should have me. Maybe I just don't get it. Oh, great song. Unbelievable track. The last, the actual goat probably has to be the boys to men version of it's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Hey, great picks. I think about this all the time. Would Mariah Carey count like emotions? Yeah. So emotions when I hear that song, I actually, and the fact that it was invented so, so far before it was written so far before modern auto tune was invented, do you know what I'm trying to say? Like, I think they had pitch correction at that time, but it wasn't like it is now. No, you couldn't just monotone a note. And it wasn't a share or change the game. Yeah. So emotions is probably one of the most unbelievable songs ever performed in my opinion. Um, God, I love, uh, now I have Casey and JoJo just stuck in my head. It's so good. I like usher a lot, but I'm trying to think of like one of his more chill songs, probably an usher song. I think the usher video where he's like the, where he goes, put that on, put that on everything. It makes me laugh so hard. But every song, what's the one that's like close to me and like my mother close to me and that's all my life. Fuck. I can't get that out of my head. I mean, it's the best song of all time. So we'll just go with that. And then seal either crazy or kiss from a rose. Crazy's on crazy. Crazy's good. I think crazy's a cover. I might be right. Yeah. It's a banger. It's fine. Dude, you ever think about how, uh, nothing compares to you. SNADE or Comer, Fain, famously performed is just a cover. Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy. Okay. Uh, John Berry asked, have you listened to the new Morrissey record? I listened to the singles and I thought they were complete ass. I haven't listened to the album art is so atrociously bad. It's an iPhone picture taken outside of a tour at night. Clearly. It's the worst picture I've ever seen. It's a, it's a statement. Yeah. I just, how do you do years of refusal relatively late in your career? And then you can't do that. Dude, even the one from a few years ago is good. The world is low and high school. Oh, low and high school. Yeah, that one's okay. Low and high school is like thoroughly good. Years of refusal to me is like an incredible back to form. We've talked about this. Obviously that was, that that was, that was 17. Yeah. Straight up. And I don't know how you don't go out, but we should probably do version two of that. Yeah. I get it. It is what it is. Yeah. Daniel, this is a great question. Daniel Guerrero, Daniel Guerrero asks, I've been going to shows for about two years now. Welcome. And it seems like everyone just knows each other. And that happens. How you all know each other. We went to hardcore together. Yeah. You know, that's literally how it works. It seems intimidating to spark up a conversation and make friends. How do you guys make your first friends in the hardcore space? I, I had a brother. So that helped. And also I was 14 and I was mashing borderline naked. And that was funny. I wouldn't recommend doing that. But, but it caught on and people wanted to know what this guy was all about. But I, do you just, you just, if you come around long enough, it'll happen. You know, I think a big thing is just talking to people and kind of getting your face in their mind and literally it could be as simple as, Oh dude, that mad ball shirt is sick. You know, that's what my good friend, Jan did that to me verbatim when I was 15. And I was like, who the fuck is that guy? And it, but it made me remember him forever. And he was so outgoing. He was like, that's a sick shirt, dude. And it was literally a mad ball shirt. That's my point is like, just, yeah, just be around. You just be around and just talk and don't, don't overdo it or anything, but just. You're two years, you're brand new. You'll get, you'll, and then, you know, you find social media and blah, blah, blah. You'll, you'll get there. If you guys opened a bar tavern restaurant, what would the vibe be? And what would you name it? I would never open a bar tavern or restaurant, but I'm telling you, I got this idea for a movie theater. He really does. You can't, you can't share it. I'm not going to share it, but I think I like, I'm going to do everything in my power before I die to make it a reality. And, and if, whenever I can tell you, I will. But I would open a cafe. Sure. I wouldn't want to be involved in it. Like in running it because it seems like such an awful, terrible, expensive thing. But like what's cooler than a coffee shop that's just like bumping, you know? Oh, nothing, nothing. Like I'm never going to make Zomu coffee. Yeah. Totally. So I'm going to go support Zomu coffee whenever possible. Fully, fully agree. You know, there is a family guy experience in Chicago right now in a place where it doesn't make sense. And they have the drunken clam neon sign. Oh, that's cool. And it's, and then the, everything on the outside is painted like a cartoon. I love it. I don't know what's inside. I'm on my way. But yeah. That's not in the co-hog Rhode Island or anywhere in Rhode Island. Okay. Scott McLaugh asks on the topic of breakdowns, you guys have said that what comes before and what comes after are just as important as the breakdown itself. And I could not agree to this day. I still stand by it. Can you give some examples of songs that do the post breakdown part correctly? Oh, I'm a firm believer that the buildup is the most important part. And I typically don't care what comes after, but I'd love to see what you mean. Okay. The buildup, think about if the song ends at the breakdown. Yeah, it doesn't matter what comes after. Doomsayer, you know, the Yerdoom away to, and that big silence of the reason that part hits not necessarily, not just the breakdown to carry the load and Throne's of Blood were my top two breakdowns in our best breakdowns episode. Both are preceded by suffocation. Throne's of Blood has that, which is the greatest breakdown buildup in history. The hardest, I should say to care, to carry the load has the shun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, and the fake out like three times, three times. They make you earn it. And then it finally hits and it, and it's like Martin Scorsese, the absolute cinema. Yeah. But the suffocation Throne's of Blood has that insane blast part after. That to me is like, I'm adjusted as excited for that to come. Oh, interesting. Gank, gank, gank, gank, gank. And it's like a fast part. And I'm, I love that. I think if the song's not over after the big pit, you got to do something cool. That's when I think what comes after is important. Okay. I, there's two examples. Very good. Very awesome. There's two examples that kind of do both of the things that we're talking about. One we just talked about with Randy. Now you've got something to die for before the big something to die. Where it's slow. It's like a stop part where it's like, that to me, like what Glock McLaugh. What was that? Like he's saying, it's like that pre part to me is way harder than what comes after, cause it's so full on, but then like you're saying it ends. So it works, you know, and just ends a good example of pre during and then post is again, blistered or age of apocalypse by blistered by strife. Apocalypse now, sorry. By, um, Chromax where they do the big, Jun, Jun, Jun, Jun, Jun into a two step part and then into that. Like I mean, that's still some of the greatest much science ever. And I know it's, it's a dead horse at this point, but, but that is the example of like pre, during and post. It's, it's perfect. It, they did it somehow. Everything is deliberate and everything is perfect. Yeah. Patrick Astrada says, name your sword. I'll allow the rings. I love the ones that like, so like Arthur Dane, a mythical figure in the Song of Ice and Fire universe was a Kingsguard to Varys Targaryen, the God, the mad King, right? And he's supposedly, his name is sword of the morning. Cause he's just, he's supposedly, he's the number one swordsman of all time. He beats Barrison, Selmy, he beats Jamie Lannister in the show. He loses to Ned, which is kind of bullshit. I, his sword was just called dawn. I think that's sick. Like it's not necessarily like killer or whatever, you know, it's dawn or ice. Like shit like that is fucking dawn. As dawn goes crazy. Don is so he's playing, just pulled out dawn on bed and the hilt has a rising sun on the, on the Hill guard. I like it's just crazy. That's good. So mine would be something like that where it would, it would literally be like glacier. Something kind of innocuous. Sure. No, that's cool. Yeah. I mean, since the moonlight great sword is taken, mine would be a katana, just called the zoomer. There it is. That's off to you. God, he is wielding zoomer. Yeah. Oh no. That's okay. Kiki PM asks in today's economic climate regarding playing live music, I've wondered, does it make more sense for bands to stick to playing lots of festivals versus taking your chances, booking a full tour? I think it depends on the band, but like, let's, there's something, there's this big discourse right now around Harry Styles, Madison Square Garden residency. Huh. His fans are furious that he's doing this instead of touring. That he's doing like 10 days or 30 days at the most prestigious venue in the world over economically, like you're burning money to earn. And that's, that's a fact. So costly. Whereas being set up in one building, not having to travel to and from that building every day, a people are going to get the best performance possible because they're not tired. They're human beings. Be. Yeah. It makes a lot more sense economically to do something like that for sure. Like a residency. Yeah. But yeah, uh, I think playing a one off festival costs a lot to do. If you're flying and getting a hotel for one day, that makes less economic sense than touring to that festival. If you're doing a string of festivals, that makes much more sense. But no, I would say overall, but barring van issues and, uh, unexpected overhead, touring, I think still makes more sense economically. Well, what makes the most sense economically is a hybrid. Is touring around the festival season, which is what most bands will do. That's what everybody does. And, and it's so funny to, it's so crazy that people, like the average person still doesn't understand that because I'll see posts and tweets that are like, I don't understand why these bands can't play a regular show around Lollapalooza in Chicago. It's like, well, because they're playing Lollapalooza in Chicago. They're not allowed to do that. It's just part of, that's how it works. Um, and especially for something like Lollapalooza, that's going to be one of the biggest paydays your band ever gets. You know, you're like, like just speaking plainly here, that doing that versus a club show at fucking sub T. Yeah. Right. It's like, okay, well, the answer is clear here. Unless you're the Foo Fighters and you can go, yeah, we're going to do whatever we want and we can do both or else we're not playing. And the, the Harry Styles thing too is like, have you ever done a two days in the same venue on a tour? Yeah. It's the greatest thing. It's the greatest thing of all time. I, so yeah, I would do that forever in Madison square garden. If I'm Billy Joel, I'm never stopping that. Exactly. You know, exactly. There's a band, I'm from blanking on the name right now, but they're, they're doing, it's called the from now to infinity and they're doing a residency at the Metro and every time a day sells out, they added another one and they're on like day eight. They're doing it in Jalas. Yeah. It's incredible. Love that. What is a lesser known slash sleeper band or artists with a near perfect discography? The answer is the answer is trypticon to me. Really? Like zero skips. Zero. Interesting. And I allegedly there's a new record coming this year. No shit. Which if that is the case, game over. I'm not sure. I don't think it's any band that we haven't talked about on this show a billion times. Probably. Yeah. Um, but, but for me, like anytime, you know, a band that I, I don't think gets enough flowers that we've also talked about, but I'll just bring them up again. His black breath. Oh, banger. Banger. They like just a great band that I don't think people realize how much they kind of changed the terrain of what was going on at the time. They were bound to be like the next big thing. I fully agree. Yeah. It was, it was, it was set in stone. It was happening. And they were obviously, they were very popular. They were like, I'm not saying they were like lesser known or underground or anything. I mean, they were underground, but I'm not saying they weren't like known. I'm just, I feel like they didn't quite, they didn't get what they deserved. Fortunately. You know. Yeah. I would agree. Puma Thurman asks, that's funny. That was one of a, that was one of Kale's rap names. Oh. Puma pants, I think was another one. And then what was another one? Puma Thurman is crazy. Hey guys, thanks for the exceptionally great episodes lately. Thank you. Curious what your most unlikely source of inspiration has been when writing music, something you lifted or incorporated in some way or another that you think wouldn't, people wouldn't believe if you told them. I've already talked about the Barry White one a thousand fucking times. It's insane. Uh, there's, there's a note for note, Han Zimmer part in a different God's hate song that when I saw Han Zimmer, he performed the way that we do it. Really? And it made me think somebody in his camp heard it and was like, yo, we got to do it like this. Cause I changed it in a way and played it in a different way. And then they extended it and played it in the same way that I did. What if you're just on the same wavelength as Hans? You know, I mean, I always am, but a barring that, uh, yeah, I, I, like in the moment I was looking around like, anybody here, I'm watching live being like, he's doing my, uh, but that's, so that's, that's, that's the big one. I, we've had questions like this before. I don't know if there's anything that really comes to mind for, for harm's way that doesn't seem obvious. It's like, yeah, yep. Godflesh. Jordan Buchanan said, we just had our first baby in December. Mazel. What hardcore, he said, thanks for the Mazel. What hardcore slash adjacent songs do you think I should remix into Lola buys to sing to her? There is some Spotify group that does, that's doing this already. And they're so good. There's like saves the day songs and there's like all kinds of Pearl Jam. There's a Pearl Jam 10 Lullaby version. Yes. That I, I listened to. It's fucking awesome. What's that called? Do you remember? I don't know. It's like Lullaby version. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's crazy, dude. It's crazy. So Jordan, don't worry about the hardcore ones. Go listen to what this guy's actually doing and listen to the Pearl Jam baby remixes. They're fire. Well, then that, uh, New York city by Matt Ball. Oh yeah. That'd be good. It makes my thing. Yeah. Like Xylophone. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. Here we go. Tyler Davis asks, what is in your opinions, the perfect Mosh song where like you're physically standing there. You got to go. They're playing and like all forms of Mosh occur. The first thing that came to mind just now is Forsaken by a hundred demons. Start to finish. Dude. I remember. So when, when I first saw them, Bruce was back singing with them temporarily and they played, I remember being like, Oh, they're not playing any of the songs I knew because it was self titled was out. So I was confused as to what was going on. I didn't know the lore. I was very young. Yeah. And they got to that part and I was like, Oh, this part's fucking awesome. I have to listen to this record. You know, it made me like, but that is the part. Oh yeah. That made me like, Oh, I need to listen to the record that this singer's on apparently cause people were saying like, Oh, Forsaken is a Bruce. I know I'm saying Bruce was back singing. Oh, Bruce is back and you were not aware. I was totally aware. I was like, well, this isn't time bomb. You know, I didn't get it. I got you. I got you. I understand that. So that that song in front to back is literally all pit. Like the whole song. 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Unbelievable. Oh, I'm real. Here we go. Chris Yates asked what hardcore bands from the nineties do you think would be huge if they debuted in 2026. Hmm. Sand Black Church. You think so. There is such an appetite for weird. There is. That's true. And nobody did. It's bad brains and slayer combined. It's pretty weird. Like so effectively, it's insane. And I think that if that was like a new band now, people would be like, this is better than everything. What are we doing? This is what they would be headlining everything. Yeah, they were this VOD was big back then. Are coming playing again. And I think if they were brand new now, people would eat it. Oh, it would be with changes. Ever same with like a lot of that stuff, like inside out, like no spiritual surrender today. I think people would be all I think people are are dying for anything with something to say. Yeah. Yeah. So like stuff like VOD inside out, fucking even a. Unbroken, like even stuff like that. You know what I mean, which I think if that debuted today, people would be like, this is unbelievable. So and also stricken. If I promise the world gets a hold of stricken, it's game over. The world will end. Oh, shit. Civilization has ended. All music will be erased, but you are left with the task of leaving music for creatures of the future to find in a time capsule. Beautiful. What's bands or specific records would you leave in a capsule to be discovered? Six records. Six records. Wow. I used to play this game in my head in high school, where I'd be like, if all music, if I could go back in time, how would I make the perfect hardcore record by taking all these songs that I know? Oh, like, yeah, like go back and invest in Bitcoin, but for hardcore records. Yeah, carry on song. Like I would literally like assemble a record. Does it have to be hardcore? Is it just? No, I think it's all music. All music to raise. That's huge. We have to pick six records. OK, let's put in. Let's put in a Smith's record. We know we're going to put a Smith's record in or a Maz record. Well, a queen is dead or probably queen is either queen is dead or in my opinion, Vox Hall, you're you are the quarry guy. Oh, I mean, yeah, but like Vox Hall is kind of the best of both worlds. Yeah, I think so, too. So I'm here, listen, I'm down with that. He would be worshiped like a deity if this was one of the six. I'm saying Vox Hall and I like rain and blood. Because you can restart extreme music all over again, just with that. Exactly. And hello, it's perfect. Yeah. Probably fucking some Beatles record. And I say that as like not a huge Beatles guy, but it's just like that is the blueprint. Yeah, that needs to be there. Which one would you pick? Let it be probably beautiful. I'm a big let it be guy. I love all the later. Yeah. Abby Road and Robert Soleil to get weird with it. Yeah, I mean, I like Sergeant Pepper. Cool. So one of them, I think I think let it be would be the one. Probably like Zeppelin thriller. Yeah, thriller. Yeah. We need some women up in here. Oh, give me carry all pop music. No problem. Throw throw Gaga in there. No problem. Put our pop in there. Yeah, I just want record. What single record do you pick? You know, yeah. What is how do I know and I want to dance with somebody on whatever that record is. You could put like, I mean, Whitney Greatest Hits would truly be. Yeah. Kind of the way to go. Yeah. And then like Elvis. Oh. Five million, 50 million Elvis fans. You know, Elvis Christmas. Okay, cool. Yeah, rounded out play. There's no way to round this down to six. So that'll just that'll have to do. They would open up that pot in the future. I'm like, yeah, what is this? If there's one punk record, what would it be? One single punk record. Probably like this is not even to sound like some old head New York guy, but probably a bad brains record or or the minor trait record. Minor trait, minor trait, Disgog or bad brains roar. Yeah. Probably Colton Calkins asked, do you guys prefer to listen to a full album at the gym or do you have a specific playlist? I will when I'm listening to a new record, I will always listen to it all the way through. That's kind of like, I don't start records unless I have that chunk of time to be able to do that. And that actually prevents me from listening to records as soon as I would like to. Sure. You know, because I don't always have 40 minutes or whatever. So yeah, if there's pretty much full album always for any reason. Yeah. I don't play this guy. I don't do that. You know what I am is a I feel like listening to crowbar. I just play their top songs and let it rip because they're kind of the best band to do that to some you can't do that. Some you can't. But like, dude, you know, he's got a great top whatever songs is Cannibal Corpse. You just start that and it's all hits. Brendan Hesse asked, what was the most recent piece of media you used to dislike but have since revisited and changed your mind on and why to me, that would be the Resident Evil 4 remake. It really it truly did not connect with me when it came out a couple of years ago. I was I was playing it sitting here pissed off thinking they've desecrated the goat. And now I just needed more Resident Evil and it is hitting me. It's like I've never played it before. It's unbelievable. Well, fascinating. Yeah. There is an abridged Dragon Ball Z. I don't know if you've heard about this. Are you a DBZ guy at all? So I think it's called. Yeah. I think it's DBZ a Kai or something. Forget me if I'm getting it wrong, but it it gets rid of all of the in-between stuff. That's nice. Like Gohan hunting and running from a dinosaur. While the Saiyans are on their way. That's gone. And it's just straight to it. And I simultaneously get it because if I ever watched the series, I tend to skip over that stuff. But I also hate it because I know it wasn't the original. It's just a lot dude. It's a lot of fading to black and fading in and out. And yeah. And just a lot of like the go grow up Gohan being say a man is nothing. You know, like it. So there was that that that's probably comes to mind. I'm probably going to watch it soon because it also it's like dude episode. I saw it break down. It's like episode hundred of the original Dragon Ball Z and it's like Frieza. Like like I take 100 episodes to get to Frieza to get to Frieza and then episode of the abridged one is like sell like it's way or boo boo boo Frieza and all that is. Okay. Yeah, I would love that. It's way. How do I find that? I'll find it. Yeah, please. This is a great question here. This one is actually for me. What is the best way to maintain your energy, support your gut health, your immune health and come out of your winter slump and reset for the season ahead? I thought you'd never ask. This is a perfect question. 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Yeah, I that that is the greatest moment in the history of the show. I would say something with Davey. I think making him laugh. I really like that. Yeah, that was good. You know what I watched not too long ago that is just so awesome was our Sweetwater episode. The the DAP in the racquetball room crazy is so awesome. Yeah. I I read my favorite part in that is when we're in the theater. Yeah. And dad is texting the ref testing the reverb by going my back hurts. That really got me. I I think stigma. Oh, yeah. Stigma's apartment. Stigma's apartment. I would say for me personally is the moment where he says so December 21st while I go on my mouth's birthday and he goes wow anyway. Wow anyway that. Fucks me up all of those. Okay. Okay. Anyway, it's so funny and those are really good and I think something I think about in reference all the time is calling the lady at the hotel at the Tutwiler that was awesome in the furnace episode. I wish we should do more of that. That was really fun. Just calling motherfuckers and in the justice episode when we call Clippett to see if he has shit in his underwear. I like that one spot check. Yeah. He goes what? Oh. Snirb asks Bo what conspiracy theories are you into right now? Let me tell you something. Keep it. Keep it simple. Let me talk to you. I don't want to have Stephen to have to edit too much out. No, no, it's just with all the stuff going on right now. I believe distractions are real. Yeah. I believe. Oh yeah, we're going to tell you everything about aliens. Yeah. While we're while we're just decimating Iran. I think if you look at the Google search trends about certain files and then certain conflicts and see how they completely intersect and are now in in burst, it just makes you wonder. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's kind of a big thing to orchestrate to cover. But then again, what wouldn't you do to cover stuff up? So I guess. 100%. Yeah. Very good. Farts and butts asked, what is the last piece of music you want to hear before you die? Oh, that's beautiful. Frank Sinatra my way. You know, I want to know in my death bed. I want to know. I just want to be like, tell him Frankie, you know, like when he's when he says fucking what is it man? What does he got? It's not himself. Then he has not to say the things he really feels and not the words of one. Who nails the record shows? I took the blows and did it. I want I want to be laying there just like that. So it's my way. My would be some New York song probably either unravel or Aurora. I just want to drift and go peacefully. I think unravel one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Dude, agreed. Did you see her perform with Rosaliette the Brit Awards? She's still got it, baby. You see how much she's moving around in the back before she comes out. Yeah, yeah. It's so funny. Dude, she's like, and then she did the place explodes when she walks up. She's the goat. She's the goat. I have to play the song. I didn't write. She don't like leaving home. No, Rosaliette got her. Bruce Sheldon asks, what do you think is the sweet spot in terms of number of band members? Obviously, like a three a goaded three piece is the sickest thing I ever. Yeah, it's about as cool as it gets. Yeah, a goaded four piece with a with a shredder and the rhythm guy on Lee vocals is amazing. Try to true. Try and true, you know, for like mainstream music. Yeah, that's kind of like the ultimate recipe. Yeah. And then you can be like you could be Green Day who has got six guys on stage. Right. Right. But they're a three piece band. And I've for our kind of music, a standalone singer is just so paramount. So paramount and needed. And it sucks watching good bands who don't have a standalone singer because you can tell there's a missing element. You know what I mean? I agree. And some, you know, nails got away with it. You know what I mean? Like nails, nails did it because they got the they got the swag and the tunes and the exactly, you know, they were rocking the hard. Yeah. And if they weren't rocking hard, it wouldn't work. Totally agree. And if the songs weren't so good, it wouldn't work. Would you ever do a haul or were you both spend the night somewhere haunted? Absolutely. 100%. That sounds so fun. If any haunted places want us to do that, just hit us up straight up. We'll do fear. We'll do MTV. Oh, I'm there. I'll have a chest cam. I'll be running around scaring the shit out of Colin. I would love that. Pentagram Panic asks, how do you feel about the tie down and rumble lineups? Fantastic. They've done it. Greatest rumble lineup ever. Easily. And the tie down having blood for blood carry on. The pre show is youth it today at the print shop. Come on. What is happening? How did it do it? Martin Scorsese. Absolutely. I want to talk about the rumble quickly. This year, headlining is Hey, Breed one day, 100 demons one day. Go look at the full lineup. It's fantastic. They did it. But pulling in these two to headline, I think is particularly impressive and so cool. I'm so happy and proud of them, of that whole team for doing that. You guys got to come to the rumble. Come to the rumble. Come, come. Yeah, I'll be there. Can't wait. It's fantastic. I can't wait for people to hear this 100 demons record. Tell you what. I'm so happy to ask you all got any games on your phone. I do. Yeah, I got slay the spire on my phone, which is one of the second one just came out. Did it? Yeah. Games are coming. Dude, there's a game that comes out tomorrow called 1348. It's like a medieval game. And then fucking Crimson Desert comes out in a week. Oh, I want that. I'm gonna be having that. I've been playing magic on the phone a little bit. Oh, I've been dabbling. It's you've always kind of dabbled though. I've always dabbled with the like phone arena. And the idea of building a deck is just so daunting to me every time, dude. And it's the same with like the Gwent game and Hearthstone where it's like, all right, now you can build your own. It's like, let's see. Gwent is different. I never, I never, I had no hesitation there. It was like, oh, I fully understand what I need. I mean, the bullshit Gwent game. Oh, yeah. The phone game, not the actual game. Not the real, but not the real which is the greatest, which is a better card game than magic makes me want to play the game just to play the game. I agree. Cody Allen asks favorite Halloween movie and favorite screen movie. Okay. Thoughts on screen seven if you all have seen it. Abysmal dogs. My favorite screen movie is two or four. You know what I really like about two is what, what was the name of the movie in the movie stab stab. I love that the, the one's story becomes a can in canon movie. Like that was just a cool layer. And then in four, they parody how many sequels there are and what a ridiculous fucking thing it is. And the whole intro is like stab seven, stab eight. I see. And now the franchise has become what it has parodied, parodied in screen. It's own hubris. Favorite Halloween movie is Halloween two. Nice. Brutal. When he drowns the chicken, the boiling water. Oh my God. Halloween one is like, it's proto dude. It's almost too comforting for me to be scared. You know, it's like hell hammer before Celtic. It is. What an unbelievable analogy. Yeah. It's like it's all there. It's all there. But it wasn't just as refined yet. And two is fucking. Two is great. And it was like a year later. It's insane. Is it true that the new scream had like AI shit in it? Oh, it's, it's like about AI. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, I think they, I've seen something about like they used AI to write this, but I would believe that they used AI to write the AI parts as like a bit maybe. Which, okay. Either way, it is the, by far the worst screen movie. The dumbest reveal I've ever seen. Great. I don't understand. While you're watching it, you're like, I don't know what the fuck she's talking, this, this person's talking about. My spoiler in there, but I know good man. I love scream one. That I remember, I remember watching it for the first time, red ting it from blockbuster and being horrified at how Drew Barrymore dies like right away. Just being like, oh my God. Yeah. I mean, that's all time. Yeah. I mean, Mattie Solberg asked y'all rocking with the big arch. I haven't tried it. It's great. Is it? Now what? There's a, there's a weird, there's a sauce on there. I don't know if you'll like that's not a Big Mac sauce. I know. It's like a tangy. It's mayo based. I looked it up. It's really good. The cheese is delicious. Is it? The burger is huge. Yeah. Is it bigger than a Big Mac? Wow. When you're pulling it out, you're like, oh my God. It feels like a Mando burger. You know? I haven't tried it yet. You know what I had last night, Colin, that just hit like the Dickens? Tell me. Just some wingstop. Every time. Every time. The new Korean barbecue is fucking awesome. Spicy Korean? Yeah. Oh, it's one of my favorites. It's awesome. It's probably my second favorite. That and something about my wingstop now, dude. I know. It delivers to me in like 20 minutes. Why would I leave when I can pay somebody a top dollar ring? You know? And it's fresh as can be. I had like Toreggio downpouring in Chicago last night and I had to my whole street flooded. I had to like wade out to get my wingstop. Not good. I like when they're like, it's raining. Please tip your driver. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's when I'm like 40% straight up. Hit the max button in those time. I believe that DoorDash and Postmates and Grubhub delivery drivers of any kind should be making fucking 40 bucks an hour. 100%. It's it's such an insane thing that they do. Especially when like Waymo is taking one of the soul gig economy things left. And now this cocoa bullshit. What is that? The little robots. Oh, I mean, they're they need to be set fire. Set a blaze. Yeah, they're they're here now. Set them ablaze. They're in Chicago now. It's crazy. They're all scum. It's bad. Scum of the earth. Not good. I never thought I would hate R2D2. Dude, it makes me because they put, you know, they put eyes on the front of these things to humanize them so that you do feel sympathy, which is so fucked up. I feel nothing. AJ asked, talk to us about Hellfest West. What what a crazy thing, dude. It was it was the such much a much younger demographic than I imagine seemed that way. The kids love metalcore. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. And it was really cool. Like, I mean, Sky came falling had a line out the fucking door for merch, you know, wow. And it's it's it's it's such an interesting time. It is music right now. It is the probably the last form of this sub genre that I would have expected to catch at this time. Truly, I wouldn't have thought that this would be the one. Yeah, I mean, dude, I am they said favorite sets legitimately. I think the best set I saw all day, like reaction wise, performance wise, was shadowed. Which is insane. Like, that's that's crazy. And I say that respectfully, saw them 20 years ago. I've seen him a billion times, you know, and I have never seen it like that in California. It was insane. It's fucking awesome. Our set was was fun. We definitely did we so we played intro I against I. Yeah, by the bad brains, which I haven't seen a video of and I'm very upset. Maybe it'll happen. I don't know that anybody was recording it. It was definitely kind of like, OK, we're on this show of things that we don't sound like, which is not abnormal for us. Sure. But in this case, it was very much one thing and then us. So it was like, all right, we'll give him a little something different. It was it was a it was a fun confrontational move. You know, yes. Yeah, it was a litmus test to like, OK, what do you? Yeah, who knows this song. Yeah, totally drew pizza dog asked Colin, when was the last time you didn't play sound and fury? Man, what a great question. 2023. No, I played the first one that we did. You didn't play God's hate play 2023 was switching tongues and God's hate. Oh, then 24 was just switching tongues. 2025 was just God's hate. Yeah, I think we did. Do we do 2022? You played. OK, OK, I don't remember you playing truly because we did fucking 14 minis. Maybe 2012, but I did play for sure. We played 2012, which is funny. You did. Disgrace plate, too. It was awesome. They covered the video. Shit. Moises, Toronto asks damage, anchor, diaries, you damage, Inc. I don't. I love that. I do too, dude, but there's some of the songs on justice like annoy me. They just annoy me. I don't feel that way. Do I think if the production was different, the record would be borderline as lauded as as puppets by their own self admission. They did stuff to be progressive, like Prague and to be big and majestic. And like they thought it was too much. And I just I hear that in it. I hate fucking. What is the second song on injustice? Justice. Do you think it can get down on that? Yeah. Can get down. Can get down. What is that? Like once the diverse comes into the great, but that's the one with like, can get it. It's got like nine time signatures or some shit. They like brag about it's just like stuff that's just like, all right, well, isn't that the title track? Is that injustice for all? Yeah, I think so. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. So it just songs like that. I don't really. Can get down to get a gun. Oh, yeah. That's insane. Oh man. It gets me. Popped. John Boy got asked, what is your best pool move swimming and or billiards? Great question. Great question. And let me tell you, I'm I'm a I'm a bit of a dining diving board like legend. I can I can do some I can pull off some shit that would make you think I'm much more flippant than I look. Can you do a backflip? Yes. Can you do a gainer? Can't I've never tried. I'm too scared. So scary, but I used to do this thing at our at the old pit where I would jump from the ledge to the diving board and do like this kind of like a red dragon corkscrew type thing. Oh, sick. That was my signature move. I'm a big flip guy. I just just a front flip, but I'm not afraid to throw a flip in there. That's fun. The front flip is I might as well be walking. Yeah, yeah, it feels very natural. I feel nothing back in the day on a swing set. Would you ever do the like back flip off of the swing seat? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. And then the thing comes back and hits you in the head every time billiards. I'm a I'm a legit pro game pigeon eight ball player. So I'm pretty good at real pool. I had I had a lot of friends and a couple of girlfriends in high school who had full tables. Wow. We would just play just passively all the time and I figured out all the geometry and stuff. It's all there. So I'm pretty that's the thing that James and I on tour will play pool fairly often. I love to play. I'd love to be really fun. We should do that. You should you'd absolutely destroy me. We should do like a two out of three like pool darts air hockey air hockey kind of game. Darts is hard. Hard as fuck. The actual scoring is insane. It's it's where you have to land on a combination of the same number. Yeah, it's crazier than like bowling, which has crazy scoring. Casey Soik, our bass player is very good at darts growing up and just rural Wisconsin. What are you going to do? What is your waffle house order? We have two very different orders. I get the all star and I go I asked for the waffle to come later. I get scrambled eggs just because I find scrambled eggs the most reliable. They're not going to fuck that up. And I usually add two more eggs. I get bacon hash brown smothered and covered and diced, which is onions, cheese and something else. And then I just get white toast. Oh, cool. And then I get my waffle later. And if I'm feeling particularly fat, I get pecan, I get pecans, peanut butter chips and chocolate chips. That's insane. Just fad it up. Mine is the steak and eggs. And I'll also get a double. I'll get a double hash brown chopped. I think it's chopped, smothered and covered. Yeah, that's that's what I get chopped, smothered. Smothered. Yeah, which one is chili? Shit it or smothered? I think that's smothered. Okay. Yeah, I get mine. Hello, smothered. I get mine. Shit it. Smothered covered covered and diced. Getting a steak from Waffle House. It's so good. It's more diabolical than Zoom is love for Denny's. No, it's not. Why do you consider melodic hardcore the Dark Ages? Again, it's not the notes necessarily. It is the time we lived through. Yes. Or when there's two guys, one of whom doesn't spin kick but likes spin kicks music and the other one who loves to spin kick. You're not. You're not. Well, I was just I was playing in a band that sounded like Marauder and Hey, Breed and it was like, hey, this is what I like. Yeah. Okay. And then we would play shows and it would be like, no, we want to hear killing the dream, which is, you know, fine, respect. It was just, it was just the, it was, I was not, it did wasn't what I like. That's why I was the Dark Ages. It's not what we're attracted to musically in this genre. And it was all that you got for a while. Imagine listener. You're doing music, whatever you like to do. And then at that time, your least favorite form of music happened to be popular. I don't know, but it put yourself in those shoes. And it just, it was just the way that it was. It doesn't, it doesn't take away from anyone else's enjoyment of this thing. We just didn't particularly care for it. How come you never ask, who do you do anymore? We forget. We forget. I had someone else ask us recently that we didn't ask Jeremy. Yeah, we straight up forget. We just forget. But it isn't intentional because it's a great question. No, no, that's a great question. I love that question. What series are you currently watching? Any recommendations? You want anything? Oh, the pit dude. What's it about? I'm all in. It is a, it's a medical drama. Okay. That where every episode is an hour, like 24. Oh, okay. Where it's all one, like a single shift at the trauma center of a hospital in Pittsburgh. A pit. And, and at first I was like, this is trash. It's network TV. It's just network TV on HBO. Yeah. And then you're like, thank God this is network TV on HBO. It's unbelievable. It gives you that network TV feeling like a, like SVU or something where you're like, okay, next, more, more, more. Wow. Wow. And unfortunately it's on season two and I'm having to wait every week and not SVU with 30 seasons ready to go. I'm not, I can't, I just don't sit down and watch television. Unfortunately, I have been watching more wrestling lately than ever. Nice. I've been enjoying it. A lot of good stuff happening. Dude. So we were at elimination chamber in Chicago, saw the friend of the show, Dan Hausen's fucking debut. Unbelievable. Fantastic. He's crushing. He's crushing. It took one, it took two days. Yeah. And people were saying you are cursed with him. And it's not, it's crazy. Two days. He's absolutely, he's, they're doing his presentation very well. Also our main man, Brody King is at the top of the game right now. Dude, I single star him verse swerve at, is it revolutions coming up in LA? Come on. It was, it was just this past Sunday. It was amazing. Yeah. It was fantastic. I can't believe that finish. And then fucking punk came out to the bulls, to the Allen Parsons project bulls intro, which is the first time that has been played in that arena since the nineties bulls. Is that true? Yes. They had to pay out the butt for all. I heard. Um, and I mean, it started and I literally like the last time, dude, the gooseiest bumps, the last time we were, I was sitting where I was sitting and I heard that music played. I watched Jordan play some lose at home in the 72 and 10 season, which is insane. But I was there. Yeah. But I was there my 10th birthday. Yeah. So that was, that was really, really fun. You know what was weird about that pay per view? I don't know if you watch the whole thing or not. I did not know talking. No one talked. Zero promo, zero promo. There was on the telecast too. There was some things on the telecast like of, of like the backstage of like, are we going to open this box? And then like vignettes of like last week, you know, no promos at all. Interesting. It was interesting, but it was really fun. When you're there live feels weird. Yeah. Almost unimmersive. It feels like a live event. Yeah. Almost. It's a particular of hardcore sub genres. Amazing core, rolling the floor core, uh, Jazzmaster core. Those are the best ones. Any others? No. No. What movie should be remade starring the Muppets featuring one human cast member? Now you're talking. Wow. John Carpenter's the thing. What would be hilarious is if it was Kurt Russell anyway. Yeah. And he's like, I can't be the thing. I'm human. Yeah. But it's all. Gee, I don't know. They're just muppets freaking out. Animals. The first thing. Oh, no, he's not infected, but he's just insane. He's just crazy. He's just, I guess it would be like raw for something would be the dog infected in the beginning. That's pretty good. I'm not, I'm not going to lie to you. That's kind of genius. I would pay. I would invest. I would invest personally in that. How? How about the Lord of the Rings trilogy? That's so much. But the one human is like someone. It's like grimoire. It's like someone not. Or like Sam. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, I can just carry you. This is easy. No, no, geez. Don't worry about it. Froggo. Yeah. There you go. Froggo wouldn't have gotten far without his Sam. If you could summon a hardcore vocalist voice, who would you choose? I mean, truly Jorge's voice is crazy. The Jasta perseverance voice that he can still summon is crazy. I think if I could just do human furnace on the drop of a dime, dude, it's to the point now where he sounds like like a like a synthesizer fully distorted square square wave, you know, which is so loud and so consistent and just perfect. You know who also still sounds crazy is John Brannon. I mean, the same. That's the same. It's like he's they're the same. Yes. Yes. And it's crazy. You know what I've recently discovered you can just do is cup the mic and it's hilarious. It's so fun. I mean, on the first few Harbors Way records, James insisted on doing it and he would one of them he sang into a 58 or 57. And finally Andy was like, hey, I could just like, but James was so used to it. It's like muscle memory, you know, and I think it was so fun, dude. I've never done it until until until we were practicing for help us. And then when we did the two words part, it's just two words. That's awesome. Yeah, I had a great time. I'm loving cupping the mic. Nick from Connecticut asked if you had to put a super group together, but you couldn't make hardcore or punk music. Who are you picking and what genre are you making? Couldn't make hardcore or punk music. Give me Johnny Maher. Give me who's a go to the bass player. Oh, give me fucking Matt Freeman. Who do I want on drums? Give me fucking. I'm honestly give me Dave Lombardo. Yeah. And then give me who's a shredder? Who's another big time shredder I could pick. Like metal or anything. And then give me fucking John Mayer. I was going to see John Mayer. And then and then we'll do some straight up just like nice 80s rock. Yeah, you know, that's good. I don't know about Lombardo. He could do it, obviously. He would smoke it, dude. It's smoke it. He's the best. He's the best. I would actually be very interested to hear him play like that's what I'm saying. Rock song. And like you think he couldn't do that all day, dude. Give me Lombardo. I just want to hang out with him. You ever see Foo Fighters play rock and roll with Taylor singing and Dave on drums? No, is it awesome? It's awesome. OK, so Dave, you get Dave on. I think Dave, I mean, that would be a great pick. I don't know if I could afford him after all that. That's true. Lombardo, you might be able to get Lombardo. I think I can make it. I can make it work. I see. Dave don't have time. Lombardo is relatively free. You ever see that clip of Dave where he's talking to Pharrell and he says that all the Nirvana fills and stuff are just disco and funk. How cool is that? I mean, you totally hear it. It once once I saw that clip, it was like, oh, Glocko Glocko Glocko. Yeah, it's awesome. Is Ratatouille the master killer of animated movies? I would say yes, it is. It's it was underrated at the time. It is an absolute technical masterpiece in every way. It is highly lauded now. Yeah. And people reference it. In their in their work now, I won't argue with you. I just know, but I want because I do because my only like, well, what about doesn't have the story that Ratatouille does? I just watched the Super Mario movie. Oh, it's incredible. It's so fully enjoyable and lovely. I could not agree more. You know, wait for the second. I can't wait for the second one. It just doesn't particularly have like the story. Oh, it's it's I mean, as good as it is. Yeah, a shell of Ratatouille, you know. Yeah. A blue shell of Ratatouille. Favorite rogue like game. Dude, these are my games. I love these kinds of games. So I've talked about Slay the Spire, which is a card based rogue like game. So it's really weird. Love vampire survivors. I love vampire. It's fucking awesome. I can't stop, you know, I think the most effective rogue like Hades is incredible. But I do return all is truly was one of the first like early PS5 games. So I was very immersed because I had nothing else to do. Yeah. And like finishing it, I immediately played it again. Wow. And I got so good at it that doing runs was so satisfying and rewarding in a way that no other rogue like made. I didn't feel that skilled and any others. So I would say return. A lot of them like Hades and like Slay the Spire depend on kind of like just luck of the look of the drops, you know, look of the gods that you get. When you get that winning combination, feels so good. It's incredible. Nick asked, do you guys fuck with charcuterie? I hell of fuck with a nice charcuterie board. And if so, what's the go to? Let me tell you what, Nick, you give me a big ass chunk of Bree cheese. Bree, a fun little knife. Some prosciutto or some or some fucking Slimy, got a cool and a cracker. Yeah. I'll sit there all day. I like a sharp cheddar. I love either like a club cracker or just rits. Yeah. I love apple. A green. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I get it. I get it. I mean, the pick when the pickles on there. Yeah, we do the pickle between the cheese. Yeah. Taylor and I will do like a whipped ricotta with honey, like all that kind of stuff. I love that. And I do. I like Kappa, Kappa Cola and was a prosciutto. I like it, but I prefer like a slimy, like a super shot. Yeah, I love a super sauce and spice on there. Yeah. Colin, now that you've been a universal monster, which is true. I'm a universal monster. Is that true? Yeah, as a universal movie. I'm literally a universal monster. Damn. It is what it is. Now that you've been a universal monster, what other universal monsters would you be and bow which universal monster would you be? I know you'd be the Wolfman. Number one, fruit, brute cereal, fucking Wolfman. Number one. I mean, Frankenstein is now. He's got to go away for a while. Yeah. What do you think of this new movie? The Bride. Yeah. I mean, I will see it. I love Jesse Buckley and I love Christian Bale. Yeah. Is it a musical? No. You sure? It's just like a very unique interpretation of the story. I'm not Frankenstein. You picked Wolfman. I've already been a vampire. What we got? We got the invisible. No, the Phantom. Yeah, Phantom. I'm the Phantom. People have been the Phantom the whole time. What's funny is I don't think like me, preferably didn't think of the Phantom as being a monster in that world. And then we did the fucking universal ride. He fully is. And he's right there. Right there. You got the creature, the mummy, invisible man. Creature sick. To an end. Oh, done. Yeah. We've heard you and Bo talk about ill blood and suffrage survive many times in the pod. What are both of your thoughts on torture culture? I did the torture culture tour. Yes, it was the 2017 Life and Death or great record. Jordan, you still got it, bud. It's a thing we talk about where kind of they kind of made suffer, survive non-canon. Sure. And then continue. You know what I mean? Kind of like, I know they still play one or two songs, but it's a really difficult thing to follow up either of those records and to come back after a while, you know, and I think they did it very impressively. Well, favorite album from the year you were born. Great question. Little record called Master of Puppets. OK, there you go. Kind of my favorite record of all time. So yeah, mine would be Slow, Deep and Hard. Damn, on your birthday, right? No, that was World Coming Down. That's World Coming Down. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, it's right there. If one was to move to California, what city is the best overall for cost? Food, music, sports, entertainment, et cetera, went to LA for over a decade a week ago. Well, I mean, cost cannot be. Well, this is going to be interesting because you can we can both give two different perspectives. Yeah, I mean, I would say there's parts of the valley that you could move to. And and it's more affordable than other places in LA. And then you're a half hour from everything. I would say the valley is the kind of the only option unless you're fucking balling. If you're making good money, yeah, sure, you can kind of live whatever. But yeah. But even if you're making good money, you can't live in a lot of parts of the valley. Yeah, yeah. As far as food goes, it doesn't matter, because let me tell you something Los Angeles County has in spades is food. My God. Anywhere. We haven't talked about this column, but one of my favorite things that happens ever when we're hanging out is when you're like, what should we or I say, what should we? And you say to me, what do you feel like? And I give you genres and you go, you flip through your roller decks in your brain and you go, oh, dude. And then you pull out your phone. That's what I know. I mean, it's open. You know, yeah. I think last time was Sunday gravy, which we saw of crazy assault happened last time, but the food is great. Food was great. Also, it was fucking Ace Gogi. Don't get me started on it, dude. Well, it's I may have to go today. It's funny to talk about Colin and I. Colin and I were going to work out at a gym where he has private access to, but he had forgotten his key. Forgot my key. So we got dropped off via Uber. A live fitness on Van Nuys Boulevard. Check it out. Jason Cohen, great, great guy. The owner's awesome. Great gym. I honestly don't want the spot blown up. Yeah. And it's expensive because they make it 24 access and you get a key. They make it an hour and a half in. Yeah, yeah. Great gym. It's got everything you need, but we couldn't work out because we couldn't get in. So then we did the opposite of working out and we just went to our selves and ate about 300 grams per person. If you were tasked with destroying the one ring, who's in your fellowship? Let's go. I think we are. So if we're are we Frodo and Sam, I think so. OK, obviously. I think. I mean, there's a little bit of both of them in both. There really is. There truly is. That's interesting. I think you're more of a Sam. You think so? Yeah. You're going off to the Undying Lands. You know, I always do. OK, I'll take it. Sam, there's no wrong answer. You know, yeah, no. Pippin would be Mac Miller. Mary would be he's kind of levelheaded, but still a goof. Yeah, they both are. Yeah. But Pipp is. Pipp is a Mac. Mary Pippin should just be Brittany and Mac, actually. That's good. I like that. Yeah, I like that. OK, so there's the Hobbits. I'm not bringing my wife because I know she doesn't want to go. No, she's Rosie. She's back at home. Exactly. She's waiting. Legolas. I love this question, by the way. Yeah, this is good. Legolas, I think would be, you know, a real sharpshooter. That's an Alec Faber. Wow. You know. Love it. Boromir is Taylor Young. But I don't want to die. Who's Aragon, then, because I was thinking he was Aragon. The who like who is the most noble warrior to? Oh, dude, excuse me, Brody fucking King. Brody King is Brody King is Eric. He's not Gimli. He's not Gimli because Brody is truly like clever, clever, like a fox. Yeah, not that Gimli isn't, but but Gimli just has a different way of problem. That's true. That's true. So it would be when he Gimli and Gandalf. So Gandalf. Yeah. Look, dude, who's the sages? Why is this guy? Martin. Oh, yeah. Easy. It's Martin, for sure. And then I think I think Gimli would be, you know, and obviously, stature not considered here, but somebody like a Dan Sealy. Whoa. You know. Whoa. That's a great fellow. That's a great fellowship. I feel good about that. We're getting that ringing. We're getting more going. Wow. All right, we're on our way. Damn. Mr. Great question. That was awesome. Yeah, Mr. President asked looking to buy some stuff from Guilty Party and that world of fashion for the first time. Any recommendations for jeans or must have items? Yes, absolutely. Any full count pair? Like whatever type of jeans you like, straight, wide, relaxed, tapered. Yeah. Full count is like the pinnacle of quality to me. I also highly recommend the Studio D Artazian, the Artisan Studio D is what they call it, the 1950s pair. They're pretty lightwashed. If that, if you can pull that off, they're just about the coziest, comfiest things I've ever worn. And make sure you use code Hardlord. You just said there's already been some serious heat this year. What hard Lord guests of 2026 so far has left you both feeling the most inspired? I can tell you right off the bat, the thing that the single thing that somebody has said that has been like, yeah, is the Randy better is better thing. Oh, my God, I've thought about it. It applies to everything. It applies to everything in your entire life. So that that is the 100% undisputed. It's like a Socratic perfect thing to go by. Like, I'm not going to argue with anybody. Better is better. If this thing is better, it's like, OK, yeah, I'm going to leave all emotions behind. It is what it is. Luke asked, what are each of your both last two to three YouTube videos? Watch, watched. Should we pull it out? The answer is Vegas Matt for me. Let me just check mine. Sorry, I'm mine. Our mine would be today's or yesterday's. I haven't watched today's yet because it came out while we've been recording. But I'm a Vegas Matt fiend. I watch every single day. Let's see. OK, my last one. In the last three was Kevin Nash on the debut of Dan Hausen. He says amazingly kind things. Fuck yeah, it's pretty cool. Why Chicago is the opposite of every city on the planet? My algorithm knows me very well. They know you very well. And then two hours of the burnt peanut. I was probably falling asleep to it. And then surely there's some real or some YouTube shorten there of the guys like how many bullets would or how many how many jars of pennies could stop a bullet? You know, finally, we got the 50 cal. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, every time. Last night at the Angel Dust show, Justice proclaimed that Brandon from Big Boy is the coolest frontman in Harcore right now is the statement. True. Here's something I need you to understand about Justice. While I don't disagree, I think Brandon's an unbelievable frontman. I've heard him say this about every band he's ever toured with. His signature move is Big Boy's coolest man in the world. Brandon's coolest frontman in the world. So and if he's saying that, it means you're awesome. That is a fact. But let me tell you, tell you something else. The actual answer to that is Justice. Yeah, he is the coolest guy in the world. I went to that show the other night when it was in Chicago. Dude, how about Angel Dust right now? It's incredible. And I'm so happy for them. Because they fucking did it, man. They did it. It feels like the lineup is locked in. New drummer guy is awesome. Maniac. I don't know him personally or anything. I'm not unfamiliar with his name or whatever, but he's fantastic. The new songs, you know, it's really nice. I've seen this both on the Angel Dust spotify and the Converge spotify. Top of the charts. Top of the charts. The new record is top 10 songs. Yeah, that's the dream. That's the one of the best indicators that like, hey, you got something. Some people are listening. Yeah. And Justice was wearing this like fucking crazy button up motorcycle leather jacket, shades. Coolest, just the coolest looking guy. Thoughts on the Haley Williams album that came out last August. Fantastic. I think the rollout was so cool with all the singles and the the label being post Atlantic is really clever. I think it's like a giant fuck you to music and all things. And she's the coolest. Yeah, she could kind of do no wrong in our in our book. Who are your top four favorite visual artists in terms of like album art, posters, shirt designs, paintings? Sean Taggart. Yeah. I just got a combat records. Cause for alarm. Yep. Uh, Dan Seagrave, Disgrace, Suffocation, Frazetta, one of the greats and right. Mark Nava probably that thing, you know, fucking go and fucking Pettibone, dude. So it was, I was going to say, yeah, Pettibone, plus head. Listen, you've you've maybe seen iterations and you're like, OK, I get it. But Bannon. Come on. Oh, yeah. Define the generation. Exactly. And it's undeniable. And then, yeah, probably Taggart. Yeah. Cool. Weird. Scary. This is a great question. Genuine question as musicians, how do you afford some of the nicer gear you use? Obviously, I know saving and not what not. But like our people putting the new donable seven strings on credit cards. 100 percent. Let me tell you something. We've said this before. Hardcore is powered by a firm. We owe millions. We pay in four. Any chance we get or eight or 36 or whatever is no interest. You know what I mean? Yes. Who cares? We we you torpedo your credit for that piece of gear. That's what we do. I also like when when I have a milestone, it's like for my 30th birthday, I got myself a 88 Les Paul standard because I was like, I want one and I'm 30. And this is going to I'm going to treat myself. And that's exactly what I did. I think I affirmed it, but I put some money down to make sure there is no interest. Easy money will mean nothing in the apocalypse. You'll be glad you have a guitar, though. It's really true. We could barter it. Exactly for clean water. Exactly. And canned food. Is there a particular release you guys are looking forward to this year? Music, movie, game, food item, Tripscon, new record. Was food item the last thing in there? Yeah, that's awesome. The Crème Brûlée French Rap from Taco Bell. What games? Crimes and Desert. I'm so curious about. Yeah, I'm just curious. I just want to get it and play it and be like this rocks or this is crap. Yeah, because it's confusing. It was it was it's made by the same people who make Black Desert online, which is a massively multiplayer game. And like, there's so much it's so overwhelming that I hope it's not like that. Because I don't think a player, but I just hope it was it was first designed to be multiplayer, but then they pivoted. So I think that'll be good. What movies coming out? Oh, Mario. Yeah, probably. And then I think Zach Craig is Resident Evil is this year. Oh, she's like for that. Are any of the Resident Evil movies? No, they're all bad. Horrible. Mila, she couldn't do it. It's just like that. Why they didn't do it. They didn't do the story. They made an action. It makes no sense. Yeah, stupid. Mr. Cheta asked Youth Crew Son or Beat Down Daughter. I think I would rather have a Youth Crew Son and a thought daughter than Beat Down Daughter. I'm going to say Youth Crew Son for sure. If you could use a wrestling finisher in a real fight, which would you choose? Burning Hammer. It's his answer every time. You're fucking dead. It's the best move ever. Or a crippler cross face. Yeah, dude, what would be the funniest, like just the most ridiculous one is like a moonsault. Yeah, a moonsault, a fucking like Razor's Edge in a real fight. Just got me like, no. A stunner, just nothing. Yeah, that would be that would hurt you. Yeah, it hurts so bad. It hurt your ass so bad. That's a great question. How do you guys take time off from your job on tour? Do you just ask your employer? Yeah, every time I ever did that, I had to quit the job to go on tour. Pretty much. And then it was different because it was complicated because it was a TV. It was Big Brother, the TV show, generally. So next season would come around and be like, I promise I won't do that again. Can I have a job again? And then I did it again every time. So for a lot of our really busiest touring, I worked a desk job for H&M at a call center in Chicago. I worked there for eight years. I eventually had to quit to do warp tour. But basically I'm a I'm a personable guy. I can turn on the the office charm when needed, you know. And I would just kind of buddy buddy up with like everybody who could approve time off requests like truly. And it was like I wouldn't, you know, wasn't teachers pet kind of like scumbag. But I would definitely like. Volunteer my time, volunteer like, hey, I'll cover any I'll cover new years. I don't drink. I don't care. Like I'm not going to go out and party. Everybody can I'll be here kind of a thing. Like I would do whatever I could to kind of make the team be like, yeah. And dude, I'll never forget one time I I took like six weeks off six weeks. I think we had two to three weeks paid because it was like a real job. So I had like three weeks unpaid off. And I mentioned it and a way up supervisor looked at my supervisor. It was like six weeks. He just went, yep. And I kind of got lucky. And Warp Tour was the like, hey, this it's too long. And it's not fair. So I had to call it. And then after that, I worked a series of just the most miserable bullshit. Yeah. And we're just quitting every time. Every time we get home. And that's that is the that is the sacrifice. Those are kind of the two options you you have is you find a job where you can make it work or you just you're doing bullshit. You're in between things. That's why I see a lot of people get home from tours and they post like, need work, looking for work. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Favorite non New York City, New York, hardcore bands all at war. No, no, no warning. Zero, not New York City. I see. I miss I missed it. Zero tolerance and very live. The Chrome suckers. Earth crisis, buried alive. Chrome suckers were a crumb suckers from Long Island. No shit. I thought they were from the city. They feel like they're from the dirty city. You know, I know. Sucking crumbs and then probably Stigmata. Dying breed. Yeah. There's see, there's there's a lot. Do you do this the whole episode? So I was thinking about it when I posted the records I got yesterday and I got destroyed in the machines and cause for alarm. And I was just kind of like, these are both New York bands. It's crazy. And then it got me thinking like, there's a lot of New York is big and and it's there's 50 scenes. It's crazy. Last question. What is the line between pleasant conversation amongst admirer, admirer and punishing? I think interrupting something is the line. Wow. Great. You know, everything else like is respectful and cool. And I think for the 99.9 percent of people are so pleasant to talk to. It means so much. Anybody with kind words, it means so much. It's so nice. In an outright interrupting something is when it's like. And that's kind of the thing is like that could be anything from a conversation that's already going on to like loading gear or grabbing merch or just being in the middle of something. And it's like, yeah. Sorry. I. Great to meet you. Pouring sweat. Yeah. I've never been less comfortable. I cannot breathe. You know, yeah. But but but but at the same time, it's still like it's still such a such a nice thing. And I don't think I've ever gotten. We should all appreciate. I don't think I've ever gotten out of a conversation, a punishing conversation or anything and really held on to it. No, never. You know what I mean? Like, so who gives a shit? Unless it was mean, you know, unless it was like disrespectful. But but even that can be funny because there's the guy when we were on the fucking Vale of Mayotaur and this isn't even punishing. This is just a guy we think about all the time who came to the table after we played and went. You guys were pretty good. And we'd laugh so hard. It didn't buy anything. You walked away. That was nice. That was the perfect interaction. And at the set, like there's only I can only say thank you so many times. Yeah. Yeah. That's when it's like. I think I think the conversation has ended. Yeah, of course. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes that's just like. Not knowing it is what it is. It's like this is maybe the only chance we'll have to talk. You know, and I get you got to get your shit in. Yeah, I do it too. I I do it. It's it's so hard. Do whatever I I hate. I like the it takes so much balls to just go up to somebody and talk to him like that. So I truly appreciate it and respect it because it's it's difficult for me to do when isolation came out. We played Summer of Hate in Cleveland and Human Furnace was there. I walked up to him with a copy of the record. First pressing of isolation was like, Hey, man, my band just put this out. We're huge ringworm fans. I would just love for you to have this. It was holding it and it's the middle of the day and he's got a beer in one hand and a record that he now has to carry around for the rest of his day. And he was like, Thanks, man, you got a CD. And I was like, nah, just that. He went, All right, I punished the hell out of him. I brought it up to him seven years later when they were on tour with us. And he was like, Oh, yeah, I remember that. Hey, man, now I'm opening for you. What are you going to do? And he for sure left that record there. Yeah, of course. I get it. He's he's signed us. Yeah, that's true. You know, so what? Yeah, we did that. And we'd tell her I did the same thing to Johnny Kelly like a year ago. Dude, yeah. Yeah. Had to just be like, dude, we love you. Yeah. Can we get a pick? Have I told the story about about when Johnny Kelly was playing? He was playing with Quiet Riot at Heavy Montreal and we were playing basketball and catering and he was walking by. Yeah, you have. We tried to roll a ball to him to be like, Oh, sorry, Johnny. Big fans, by the way. And he just he just didn't notice it. So awesome. It played out a movie. Big fucking guy, dude. Yeah, they're all big, huh? And you know what's tough is is being like, hey, I with the word, you know what sucks, dude, is being like, would you do my podcast? Yeah, because cold. It's like the most embarrassing thing. Yes, if they don't then they look up the stats and they're like, oh, this these clips have millions of views. Yeah, this is cool. Yeah. I guess it's real. But having to explain it of like, hey, would you please do this podcast? Like it's a swear to God, it's a real thing. It's going to work so hard. I know it sucks. It sucks. But we do it. But we do it. Here we are. And here we are. And then here in the here was this episode. Thank you all so much for watching. We hope you've had a great week. We'll be back very next week with a very special guest. And we can't wait. I think, by the way, this may have been the best Q&A in recent memory. Oh, you guys killed questions were fantastic. Fantastic. Keep it up. Keep it up. Can't wait for the next one. We'll see you all next week. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.