Russia vs. USA - The Race to Crack UFO Technology

The document that you provided on Thread 3, this is a huge file. How in the world did you smuggle this out of Russia? Carefully. In your socks? I don't think I want to be really specific about it because I might have to go back there and get some more sometime. Okay. You took a couple trips to Russia and it was during Glasnost and Perestroika and there was an openness. and you got in contact with the leads, the heads of the UFO programs out there, but also people that were heads of like strategic air defense and very serious Soviet Union military individuals who opened up to you. And it seemed like it was a window of opportunity to see what the Russians know about UFOs. And really, I did say from that point, we might learn more from the Russians about what the U.S. government knows than the U.S. government is ever going to admit. This is Weaponized. This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbell. Jeremy, how's your day going? It's great, man. Doing a lot of other work rather than UAP, But man, I'm really excited today to talk with you about what we're talking about and hopefully show people something they haven't seen before as well. Well, I guess Russia, Russia documents, Russia UFO programs, we've been talking about them for a long time on Weaponized. I've reported it over the years and I've spoken about it in public. But until that congressional hearing in September of 2025, I'd never really made public all the documents, at least not the bulk of the documents. And, you know, I'm not sure how it went over with the with the congressional folks. They didn't publish them. I didn't really expect them to do that. I'm not sure that they know what to do with them at all. But I figured, well, they haven't made them public. I'm going to go ahead and do it because they're out there. You know, so Mystery Wire, my site and at KLEAS, the site, which is kind of an accumulation of all the stories I've done on UFOs and other mysteries over the years has been revived. They've got me doing a little talk show that promotes it. They're reorganizing the old content. We're adding new content, full raw interviews. And I figured that would be a good spot to kick it off. And these documents would get a lot of attention that way. So that's where we put them up. The first two documents, that is. Let me back up a little bit just for our audience, which is that back in the early 90s, you took a couple of trips to Russia. and it was during Glasnost and Perestroika, and there was an openness. And you got in contact with the leads, the heads of the UFO programs out there, but also people that were heads of like strategic air defense and very serious Soviet Union military individuals who opened up to you because they didn't fear death and murder at the time about UFOs. And very famously, you smuggled back classified Russian documents about the UFO program, how they were dealing with the UFO thing. And something you said to me many times, you and me having a beer in your kitchen over the last decade or so, you're like, man, these documents taught us more about our American UFO exploitation reverse engineering programs than we even knew by reading the Russian or Soviet Union documents. So for our audience to kind of just understand that, that was one thing that you did in your journalism career. And you also did many people in the intelligence agency have said to me, you did a solid for America. You pass those on to the intelligence agencies to basically, you know, look at and translate and try to figure out what's going on. And what's inside those documents is astonishing, like what we learned about what Russia thinks about UFOs and how they created defenses against Russia, against the UFOs, like not shooting them down because of, you know, their capabilities. So that's the background to this. Now, the other part of the background is that when you were asked to testify in front of Congress, one of the things you testified to was this trip to Russia, what you brought back and what's in the documents. Now, you gave a butt ton of these documents to Congress. But yeah, there's so much in there. It's hard to wrap your head around. They never ended up publishing those. That was kind of what you put in that you would publish like after. They didn't do it. I think it's just too much. There's too many balls in the air. So then you all of a sudden say, I'm going to put out everything I can right now in sections as much as I can. You got to go through it, get it all set up on the news. And that's what you did. And it's people have noticed that a bunch of reporters have been calling me being like he finally put them all out. I'm like, yeah, he's reported on them before, but now you get to see them. So that should get our audience up to date. Big moves last week from a journalistic, patriotic standpoint of let's get this information to the American public. Is that accurate? What I just said? Yeah. So, you know, I'd been working on the UFO stuff since 1987. In 1989, we put out this massive series based on and inspired by Bob Lazar and his story. And, you know, I had the fever for sure. So I'm looking for new ideas and new projects to tackle in addition to the things that were already on my plate. And I saw this article in The New York Times about the KGB had made public its files on Lee Harvey Oswald. And I thought, wow, you know, there's all these changes. The Berlin Wall had come down. Gorbachev, who instituted all these changes, broke up the USSR, then resigned. Boris Yeltsin was elected president of Russia in a democratic election. A lot of change in the air. And it seemed like it was a window of opportunity to see what the Russians know about UFOs. And really, I did say from that point, we might learn more from the Russians about what the U.S. government knows than the U.S. government is ever going to admit. And that's exactly what happened. We did find all that stuff out. I met a Russian physicist who was in the U.S. to lecture on disarmament issues, nuclear disarmament issues at U.S. national labs. And his name was Dr. Nikolai Kapranov. And the last stop on his trip to the U.S. was Las Vegas. There was a congressman, Jim Bilbray, who was a good guy, had helped me on this UFO issue behind the scenes and continued to do so, who heard about Nikolai and said, you might meet this guy. He has high security clearances. He'd been the national security advisor to the Russian parliament. He'd been national security advisor to Boris Yeltsin. He had helped train Russian cosmonauts how to spot U.S. nuclear submarines from space. He was dialed in. So he comes to Las Vegas. I go meet him for a beer. We're having a conversation and I bring up the UFO topic. You know anything about UFOs? Have you ever heard any UFO studies or documents, things like that? So no, not really. We have another beer. And he says, you know, now that you think about I think about it, there was a KGB guy I know who talked about UFOs and some sort of a little investigation that they were doing. And, you know, I asked him, well, do you think there's anybody else you might be able to make contact with? We're interested in pursuing that. I don't want to get anybody in trouble. But if it really is glasnost, peristrika, openness, transparency in the new Russia, maybe some people would talk to me. And I told them, here's the parameters, though. I don't want to talk to anybody who's ever made public statements about UFOs before. I don't have any UFO authors, nobody who's head of a UFO organization, you know, go into UFO conferences, which they did start having in the Soviet Union, USSR. are. And so look for folks who have not made any statements at all, but who were in a position to know. He says, OK, so I was working for a company called Altamira, separate from KLAS at the time. And our idea was we're going to start producing a series of UFO documentaries that would tackle different aspects of the mystery. This would be a great one if it works out. We gave him a stipend every month to keep him alive. He didn't have a job when he went back there and he started looking And it took about eight months for him to find the right people. He would send us these faxes that that updated us on the people that he'd talked to. And Nikolai finally got to the point where I think we're ready. Why don't you guys come over? So we needed to get an invitation. And it was one of their Academy of Sciences, their National Academy of Natural Sciences, headed by a guy named Admiral Purumov, who sent us the invitation. We go over there and we got to work. And Nikolai had successfully opened the doors to all these people who had been in a position to know about vast Russian studies of UFOs and programs and military applications. And we went to town and it was amazing. And although the documents are now released, the real value for what we got in Russia on that first trip in 1993 were the interviews, the interviews with these key people who were in charge of these studies, who knew about not only what the Russians knew, but they had extensive information about what the Americans had been doing behind the scenes. The KGB has opened some of its files to Western researchers and journalists. But what do Russians know about UFOs? It was assumed by Western ufologists that the Soviets were experiencing the same type of UFO encounters as the rest of the world. But isolated incidents were all outsiders heard about. Right. So one of the things that really stood out for me is in the documents and in the information, in the conversations you had, there were dedicated satellites and they knew the number of them that were specifically tasked to track UFOs, UAP, in the upper atmosphere. Satellite platforms to recon and do ISR on UFOs. Is that correct? And do you know anything more about that? Yeah. So one of the guys we talked to was Dr. Ramili Avramenko. He was working on the Russian version of SDI, space-based weapons, anti-satellite weapons. He had never spoken to a journalist, Russian or American, ever before. He lived in one of these secret Russian cities that's kind of off the map. And we got permission to talk to him. He comes forward. He has on the desk this little desktop sized plasma weapon. I think you've probably seen a little clip of video. And it's a razor. Yeah, he puts a razor blade on top of it, presses this button, this blue plastic looking thing. And it burned a hole in it like instantly says this is what we're working on. We call it the weapon of the aliens. And we're trying to demonstrate this and and have full scale weapon systems that we can use in the future. and who says UFO data has been incorporated into Russian beam weapon research. What do you told me? He knew about UFOs from 1959 on. He'd been part of the Russian space program. He says we had satellites up there could see these things coming in and out. We know after you guys got satellites up there that you could see them, too, meaning the Americans knew all about it. Unlike the Russians, he says, who have a passive collection system getting information about UFOs. the Americans had devoted specific resources, satellites, radar systems, and other sensors to specifically collect information about UFOs, figuring we have to know a great deal and we're pretending that we did not. A lot of the things that happened in Russia were similar to what happened here. You know, in 1947, Roswell happens. Well, of course, Roswell is the only atomic bomb wing in the world, you know, And of course, Russians had spies all over the place out there. So when something crashes outside of Roswell and it gets in the press, it's a, you know, it's a spaceship or it's a weather balloon. They had agents on the ground and Stalin, Joseph Stalin, the dictator of Russia, assigned this to a couple of his people, find out what the heck went on there, what crashed outside of Roswell. The guy he picked to head that job was a guy named Korolev, who was the father of the Russian space program. He built rockets. He was the guy who helped them get ahead of the U.S. in space. And Stalin calls him in, tells Korolov, hey, I need you to find out what's going on over there. Korolov comes back. He checks with special sources, meaning Russian spies, to find out what they knew. Comes back and tells Stalin, it wasn't a weather balloon. We think it's from somewhere else. It's something. It wasn't American craft. It's from somewhere else. And Stalin says, yeah, that's what I've heard from other people, too. So that was a really big deal. And in 1947, Stalin and the people around him knew this was real. It was from somewhere else. But they ordered, starting from 53 on, the Russian government said, this is a propaganda tool. It's made up by the Americans. We're not going to fall for it. Don't talk about UFOs. Nobody's supposed to publish papers. Don't pay any attention to it or you'll be in trouble. And from then on, publicly at least, it was kind of a forbidden topic. But behind the scenes, they had these scientists who were assigned to work on it, and they would give briefings to Russian officials, the military, Ministry of Defense, KGB, assuming, and tell them what they were working on and how much they knew. One of those guys was named Yuri Fulmin. He was like the father of Russian ufology. He actually did prison time because he spoke about UFOs in public, even though he was still working behind the scenes briefing the Russian government about what was going on. We interviewed him. I'm sure he's gone now. He was pretty old when we talked to him in 1993. But that's never been seen. 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They're perfect for what I'm doing news interviews. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com slash weaponized for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in canada too that's q u i n c e dot com slash weaponized free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash weaponized there was another guy named verlamov who is mentioned in the thread three documents that we're going to talk about now his job was going out to UFO landing sites and looking for evidence, and they would study the soil samples. He saw remarkable chemical composition changes in the dirt where these things sat down. Again, I've never released that information yet, but someday we're going to have to put that out. You know, it's amazing how many Russians had really been taking this seriously for a long time, outside of the government and inside the government. And then we found Colonel Borisokalov, who was, he was the motherlode. We get invited to his home, a very modest home. They were so gracious to us, he and his wife, serving us all this food. I know it had to cost him like a month's salary or something, whatever his pension was, and opened up. And it's not like he's selling out his country or something or violating state secrets. That was the, sort of the atmosphere then is, it was free for Russians to talk. And he could talk about things that had happened way in the past. He was the head of the Ministry of Defense's study of UFOs, which I suspect was the largest investigation of UFOs in history, world history. The order came out, I think in 1977, there was this incident at a Russian missile facility called Petrozavodsk. And the government explained it as some kind of a rocket that blew up. But it wasn't because of that incident. this very dramatic and well-known incident, they started this secret study. 1978, it kicks off. It lasts for 10 full years. The order goes out to every unit in the vast Soviet military empire, everyone. You see a UFO, a strange ball of light, an odd craft in the sky, something that seems to be related to UFOs or space mysteries. Every incident has to be investigated. Every witness has to give a statement, any physical evidence, any photos or film. It all goes to one place, and that place was Colonel Boris Sokolov's desk. Thousands and thousands and thousands of reports came in. He got to see them all. Some of them would go to KGB first and then on to him. So who knows what kind of really good cases that KGB kept to itself. But it all went to Sokolov, and he told us about what had happened. And some of the most dramatic incidents are related to these documents we just made public. One being an incident at a ICBM base that was in Ukraine in 1982. Sokolov gets ordered, hey, get over here, take your investigators with you. Something really big just happened. And that's the first document we released is all these witness statements at this ICBM base describe UFOs that were over and around the base for about four hours, doing incredible maneuvers, stopping in midair, zipping off at incredible speeds, melding together, changing shapes, changing colors. They'd look different sizes and shapes, doing all kinds of strange maneuvers. And all the witnesses who signed statements are officers at this base, this ICBM base, with the missiles, by the way, that were pointed at the U.S. that could reach New York City and obliterate it in 25 minutes after they launched. And they said these UFOs were zipping around. We all saw them all over the place for a period of like four hours. At the end of that four-hour period, the launch control system inside this base lights up as self-illumination and the russians are going what the hell is going on here and then suddenly some something enters all the launch control codes this is not an emp incident that just kind of makes it go haywire it enters these codes and it's very specific codes that are in the document the first one we release and these missiles are ready to go and the russians can't stop them they're panicking this is world war three about to happen and suddenly the ufos that had been over the base go away the the system goes back to normal they all breathe a sigh of relief sokolov and his team come in the next day take the whole thing apart can't figure out why it why it happened but they came away as the colonel told us his impression was the ufos caused it and they were sending some kind of a message something along the lines of, these may be your most powerful weapons, but we can mess with them all we want. The message was received. He also told us about 40 different incidents. I think I shared this with Congress. 40 incidents where Russians, the standing order was, go after them. You see UFOs? Go get them. Shoot them down. 40 times they go after them. They never shot down one. The UFOs would always zip away. But in three of those cases, the Russian pilots lost control and crashed. And two of those pilots died. So after that, the order went out, leave them alone. Just leave them alone because they may have formidable powers of retaliation, something along those lines. So I know this one because I was researching everything you did in Russia. It was General Igor Maltsev himself, who is the former head of the Soviet air defense. I think that's the guy that is quoted as saying they have incredible capacities for retaliation. UFOs do. Right. And I interviewed him. I met him in the second trip when I went back to Russia in 1996. I met and interviewed him for a project, another project. And yeah, he said, yeah, that's true. So, you know, I was able to obtain these thousands and thousands of reports and documents related to that program, which I think was called Setka. That was a big score. Subsequently, meet a guy who is involved in something even more significant, Thread 3. That program had existed almost as long as the other program. Different versions of it had been carried out, and Thread 3 was sort of the culmination. It was supposed to end, I think, in 1995. But they were doing analysis of everything that we knew. They had in that document a history of American ufology. They had clearly been following it very closely. They had spies that were looking at our government and trying to infiltrate programs and following the public discussion of UFOs, too, publications. They knew more about American ufology and American UFO cases than maybe Americans do. They've been following it pretty closely. And that had started with an order from Stalin and was still underway. And, you know, why are they doing this? Well, it's the same reason we're doing it, you know, to figure out the technology. It's the same thing that the UAP task force, that OSAP were doing. How can we figure this out and how can we build our own? Except they were doing it 30 years before we did. it's you know you look at it they said over and over the russian high-ranking russians who had been in these programs and scientists who work with them in defense capacities saying we have no doubt that this stuff is real we're telling our government or our public pay no attention to it it's american propaganda and just as the americans are telling our public here it's not a threat to national security it's all bogus don't pay any attention to it let's move on same thing So you mentioned Thread3, and I want to kind of drill in on this because out of everything that you brought back from Russia and everything that was input into our intelligence community, and I know I have specific direct knowledge that the entirety of what you brought back was input onto classified servers, and it's been looked at. One of the things that I was warned that like that is the most dangerous thing and I don't understand it. It was thread three. So what is thread three exactly? And why would I be told by intelligence agencies that that's the most kind of dangerous for national security? Why? What is thread three exactly? Why is that like I remember you and I were in a hotel room one time and and you brought up a couple things and one was thread three and it was touchy. So I want to know what is it about thread three? Well, there are a couple of things that probably were disturbing to our government. One is just how much time and work the Russians had put into this. They were really serious. As Colonel Sokolov had said, look, it's very simple. We see UFOs do all this stuff that we can't do that you can't do. You Americans can't do it in terms of you can see something on radar, but not visually. See something visually, but not on radar. You can see it do incredible maneuvers at incredible speeds. We can't do it. You Americans can't do it. We knew if we studied it and could figure out the technology, we'd kick your ass in terms of stealth. We'd jump ahead of you. So it was a very practical reason. They wanted to figure out how these things flew and analyze it and build their own. Thread three was sort of the culmination of all the effort that had gone in in the decades before. All the information that was collected by the studies, by Colonel Sokolov's nationwide information process that put all these cases and all these incidents, some of them very dramatic, into the hands of Thread 3, and they analyzed it. They analyzed the Russian info, they analyzed American info, and they're trying to get ahead of us and do it in a very practical way. It's spelled out very clearly several points in that document, the report that we made public. They wanted to build their own. They knew these things, these UFOs, wherever they're from, could disable planes, knock out radar, had tremendous effects on mechanical gear, military gear. They needed to know how that worked. So if the Russians were 30 years ahead of us back then, imagine where they are now. So, yeah, I'm sure it frightened the hell out of some American intelligence analysts who read it. Yeah, this brings us kind of today again, Chris Sharp of Liberation Times did this huge article about Pax River and how the facility there was fit and ready to hold UAP, whether it held them or not. like let's see the evidence of that i know for a fact that 10 million dollars was spent on that facility specifically to fit it to house flying saucers or uap that you know that is to the best of my knowledge and i'm sure you know more and probably can't say more but he did that article now now that that is out and by the way lou alizondo mentioned that when he testified to congress and he did his written form and he sent it in afterwards i'm not breaking that news Pax River is the supposed location of a $10 million facility made, a SCIF made to hold UAP, UFOs. And I know a lot of people that you know are probably involved in that. But ultimately, if we're trying to reverse engineer and we're trying to house them, it's an interesting location that they brought that up. Like they could bring things along the river or by air and store them there. Are you willing to say anything about the U.S. attempts on reverse engineering in Pax River? No. Come on, man. This is like I'm interviewing Lekatsky here. Come on. Tell me something. No, I know what you mean. And I know the people you're referring to who would know something about that. But really, it's not something that I can share because of confidentiality stuff, the promises that I made. If I can get the permission to go ahead and talk about it from those folks, I will. But I can't right now. But there's meat on that bone on Chris Sharp's article. Is there either? Yeah. I fully agree. He's a great reporter. He has good sources. I think that's an intriguing angle to pursue. And the fact that Lou Elizondo shares something similar, we know another guy who was directly involved in it, securing funding for that facility. And I think there's meat on that bone. Yeah. So different than the Bigelow Aerospace creating that multimillionaire facility that could house hardware, this seems like it was a later attempt to create a facility to bring the UFO materials and craft to Pax River. Now, I know I think that's a developing story. And I think Chris Sharp is one person that will be on that and continue on that. But kind of backing up for one second here, if you had to summarize in bullet points, George, like your exploits into Russia, which you probably can never go back, but your exploits, they're bringing back documents, which is funny to get hacked by by Russia after you testify to Congress, by the way, which George did. But when you summarize, what did Russia know about UFOs? And what did Russia know about the U.S. and our engagement and desire to reverse engineer? Do you have like a bullet point list? Can you just simplify it for me? Well, the Russians knew what we know. These things are from somewhere else. They're far more advanced than us. They come and go at their will. There's nothing we can do about it. They land. There were a number of landings that are referenced in this document. There are materials that were acquired by the Russians and studied. There were dramatic incidents where they disabled people and equipment. Russian officers frozen from beams of light. You know, there were dramatic incidents that that challenged Russia's sense of safety because of what UFOs were able to do to their weapon systems, including nuclear weapons. They knew that whoever gets that technology and duplicates it first They win, as we've said about the U.S. programs that are trying to do the same thing They know these are from somewhere else They're not us They're not Americans They're not Russians They're not Chinese Certainly not back then They're from somewhere else and it's real And they have no question about that Their government, of course, lies to their people Along the same lines that our government continues to lie to our people And they were trying to figure it out And they're still trying to figure it out. Those programs are ongoing. And it's serious. And we need to acknowledge it and admit it And I think admit it to our own people one of these days so we can open this up bring more minds into it to take a look at the information and the materials and the craft that we already have and figure this out it sounds like you have more of the russian documents that you can and will release i know it's a lot of information to put out and you're using you know the news and klis to do the reports and and make it so that people can really understand it i know it's a lot to even go through them and figure out what to put out, meaning just like making sense of it all. And my question is to you, like, why release those now compared to releasing them 30 years ago? Well, the reason I went to Russia is because I worked for this company. We had given been given carte blanche to produce UFO films and documentaries. And I collected enough material for 12 different projects that I was writing and outlining. Russia was going to be one of them. We produced three of those films for Altamira, the company, myself, Brian Gresh, Bryant Blackburn, the two guys that went with me to Russia on the first trip. And the intention was to make this self-supporting. So we continue the research, do good work, investigative reporting on this really strange topic and keep it going. And then after we came back from Russia, I mean, we spent about one hundred thousand dollars on that trip and we wanted to get it back. It's a very selfish kind of a thing. But the plan was always to release it. And then the company kind of folded and we had a disagreement on what else what was going to be happening with all this material we collected, not only the Russian stuff, but other trips around the world for other documentary projects that never got made. 20 years go by and there's there's no 25 years go by and there's no progress. We can't agree on what to do with this stuff. The three partners. So it just sat there. You know, I was able to report it in different mediums on television and and did public presentations, but ultimately always wanted to make a film or two films. There's enough probably for three films and recoup what we spend on it that was just i know it's selfish but now i don't know when i'm ever going to have time to do something like that so i'm going to share the information but i do hope that someday i can produce uh the the uh documentary films that i had in mind because there are hours and hours of interviews that have never been seen anywhere yeah i mean also like documentaries are a way to unpack and explain stuff and you know i don't think it's selfish i think you went there you put everything on the line and you're trying to translate it out to the public but you know times have changed because now you testified in front of Congress and this was a part of your testimony and you gave our federal government these documents and because maybe it was too much to absorb they didn't put it out so now you're doing it in these packages which is so cool to see like I'm learning stuff every time I see that you gotta like send me a text when you launch something sometimes I don't even know I'm like I didn't know who's gonna put that out it's been awesome it sounds like you have more and you're gonna continue doing it like the thread three documents. Have you put those out yet? I did. I posted a week ago, the main one, the main overview report. There's so much stuff in there. I suspect people are not actually reading it. They're happy it's out and they like to read little blurbs on it or something or listen to somebody with a soundbite talk about it. But I don't I'm not sure how many people are actually reading it. It's thick. It's dense. I mean, it's like we had a translation. We had hired these Russians to translate it. They're not military people. So the form, we got it back. It was faxed to us all in this big compilation. And there's there's some errors. It doesn't look like an official report because it's not the actual original documents. It's a translation. But man, there's so much stuff in there. Russian cosmonauts, they were way ahead of us in the space race. Gagarin and others who went into space first saw UFOs and they talked about it to the Russian government. And some of those statements filtered out to the public and they're included in there. Pretty dramatic instances. There are specific titles such as this one. This page. It's not only about planes crashing, but they disappeared. They had Russian aircraft that vanished when they were chasing UFOs. They had landing cases. They had crashes. The second trip I made in 1996, I went to this lovely little garden spot called Dalnegorse up near Red China and North Korea. And there had been a crash there on what they called height 611, hill 611, scattered all kinds of materials all over this hillside, burned trees and plants and rocks. And I brought back some of those samples. The metals itself from this craft, whatever it was, were sent to National Academy of Sciences, different ones who studied it. A couple of conclusions came out, but the materials were never seen again. You know, they stashed them somewhere else. You know, there's a lot of stuff packed in there. And people, if they read it, you can spend a lot of time going through it because there's so much of it that is parallel to events that have happened here in the U.S. that our government has tried to dump on and discredit. Yeah, I mean, look, people can read it or not read it, but we will report on it unweaponized following your news reports. But I think breaking it down and really explaining to people what these documents are, why they're important, you're doing a great job of that. And I think it's a service because, yeah, not everybody does read. Bottom line is that the public was never supposed to see any of this. It's a secret. They don't want you to know. And the core of that secret is that it's OK. There's technology. We're reverse engineering. The core of the secret is we are not alone. And that is, I think, always been the thing that has been tried to be hidden from human beings, from humanity within the press. That's the biggest secret of all time, if it is true. It definitely seems true sitting where I'm sitting. And I think our worldview may have to evolve to acknowledge and include the presence of advanced non-human intelligence engaging humanity if that is the case. And I do believe now that is the case. If they can manipulate our nuclear weapons on a global scale and maybe, you know, there's a sense of driving human evolution and ingenuity to new heights. Our last guest on the show was Neo, you know, the pilot Neo from the Thunderbirds. And he had this really powerful thought. If you go back and watch the episode for people, he had this powerful thought that the UFO presence, like Jacques Vallée has said, is engaging our imagination from a sense of self-defense of how to be evolving with our technology. And it's just such a cool, positive standpoint rather than just we need to defend ourselves. UFO has been here a long time. They haven't nuked the planet. You know, maybe there's something diabolic and sinister happening. But at this point, we just need to admit it. Like Commander Fravor says, you know, like being an alcoholic, you got to admit you got a problem until you can deal with it. And UFOs are the same way. So I had this, did a radio show Sunday night, coast to coast with Robert Hastings and a friend of his named Richard Barth, a new witness who's come forward. He was at Vandenberg Air Force Base 1964 as a security police officer guarding a Minuteman missile. And he had an abduction experience and he communicated with these beings. And the message is pretty positive. It's kind of similar to alien editorials that other people around the world have heard. Look, we're here to check this out in case we need to step in. And you guys try to nuke the whole planet and blow it up. We're not going to let that happen. We care about the planet. We care about you guys. There are other non-human intelligence that's here that don't have your best interests in mind. But look, we're trying to help you. We're not trying to scare you. And, you know, the same thing has happened here in our nuclear missile bases over and over. We're disabled, taken offline, a demonstration of their technology, or maybe they're just practicing in case they really need to step in and keep us from turning the earth into a cinder. I'd like to believe that's true. I don't know if it is, but it was certainly sincere. the Russian documents that I brought back I wanted somebody else to know maybe I lose them, maybe there's a fire maybe somebody breaks into my house and steals them which has happened before and so I shared them I shared them with a couple of people that I really trust in the UFO field who had been to Russia and then I shared them with some of them with NIDS which was the precursor to OSAP and BAS they asked me for permission to enter it into the DIA's database so they could study it and it goes yeah please. I had hired regular Russian citizens to help me translate them, but it needed the expertise of intelligence analysts like Jim Lekatsky and Colin Keller and the people that they hired to work with with Bass. And they put together an amazing report that the public has never seen analyzing what the Thread 3 documents mean and where we should go from here. And I hope someday that that gets released, but at least they had it and could figure out how important it was to national security. And I know they've shared it elsewhere in the intelligence community. I'm glad for that. I'm glad that my country knows what the Russians are up to. I think that was necessary. Yeah. I mean, and you did that internally back then. I think that's really important. But also, I mean, look, you've given it for Congress for, you know, congressional record. And I'm just really glad they're coming out. People had asked since the hearing because your testimony was impactful. People wanted to hear what it is that you have experienced over all these decades. And it's different when you when once you testify that you can just put this stuff out to the public so i'm excited i got three kind of news points to end the show but i'm wondering you know is there anything you want to say about your exploits to russia bringing those documents back smuggling those documents back i hadn't really thought about it i didn't know we were going to get classified material during that first trip i hoped that we would get interviews and talk about classified my programs, but I had no idea that we'd get this cache of very sensitive documents and hadn't really thought about how to get them out. But back then, at least I don't read Russian, but our Russian interpreters were able me to help navigate the documents and they would stamp these things, at least at that time, on the front page. They stamped it that indicated the security clearance level. And I realized, well, look, if I just take the top pages off these documents, you know i'll just throw the rest of them the bulk of the reports into my suitcase and um and that's what i did you know and that we decided that the morning that we were leaving moscow and if you've ever been to moscow you got to go through like five or six checkpoints before you ever get on the plane there was some tense moments there you know there were some tense moments uh i mean because i would i would still be there yeah yeah no you didn't get busted which is good, but we've had very serious meetings with federal agencies in controlled environments about what you brought back. We know that within the federal government, within these intelligence agencies, that these documents are kind of revered. I'm not saying you were a spy, but you went over there and dealt with some stuff and brought stuff back. So I'm just saying that within the federal agencies and people we have spoken with in controlled environments, it is well understood that what you brought back is gold, that it was so important to the American understanding of what Russia knew about these UAP programs. Now, fast forwarding where we are now, there seems to be a sort of alliance between many countries on keeping this hush-hush. No one's going to disclose. Remember when Canada, there was that internal kind of memo from Larry Maguire, and he's saying, if we don't get ahead of this with the Five Eyes, you know, materials program. If we don't get ahead of this, then we're not going to be trusted by our people, by our country. And so I think that the tides have kind of shifted now. All the evidence is there. The question is, is everybody going to fess up on the fundamentals? As our friend Bob Lazar would say, everybody should know UFOs are real. He goes, everybody should know that there's non-human technology because heck i was inside of one i know it's real maybe we shouldn't go further but that fundamental aspect should be told to everybody do you still agree with that idea before we go into the the last things of this episode do you feel like uh our government should fess up about our exploits to reverse engineer and the existence of UAP? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's a limit, though. There's a red line you don't want to cross. I don't think you want to tip your hand off how much progress we've made. But an acknowledgement, I guess it would have to be the president, an acknowledgement, hey, this phenomenon is real. We don't know where it's from. We're working on it. We can't tell you more because of national security concerns. We could really get ourselves in a pickle if we say too much. But trust us for And now we're going to really open up our resources and and not make it so secret and try to figure this stuff out. Something like that. You know, ultimately, we don't know what the truth is. I don't think you know anybody who knows for sure where all these non-human people are from, how long they've been here, what their goals are, what their timeline is. Is this all a hologram, an experiment? We don't know. There might be some really disturbing truths down the road. But for now, you could acknowledge a secret that everybody already knows. We know this is real. The public knows it's real. They want to know why the government keeps lying to them, why organizations like Arrow are created to do counterintelligence and lie. You know, it's not working. The thing is, the times are tumultuous here now. There's a new crisis every day. There's a gigantic headline. We saw our friend James Fox have a news conference at the National Press Club last week, announces these amazing things about the Virginia case, brings in all these witnesses from Brazil who testify. And it's the same day that President Trump gives a two hour rambling speech and it gets covered by all the major media. And I'm not I'm not sure how much coverage James got other than UFO circles. Every day is some new crisis. Minneapolis, the giant storm, the ice actions across America, there's a new crisis every day. And it takes away time. I'm not sure what impact the announcement would have or when it would be fortuitous to go ahead and make a statement like that. But, yeah, I'd support it. I just want to say one last thing about the Russians So in 1993 when we were there it was an amazing time I mean yeah it was the window had opened There was a window of opportunity to speak with Russians about what they could talk about at that point. And we did. But while we were there, you know, Boris Yeltsin seized control of the broadcast airwaves. There were troops around the Russian parliament on the day we left. There were giant demonstrations in Red Square. There were pro-communists on one side. We liked the old regime and there were pro-democracy people on the other and troops and police in between. It was an amazing time to be there. And the Russians were trying to embrace democracy and capitalism at the same time, find their way. And it was exciting. And they were so generous and open and they were so curious about Americans. It was just a wonderful time to be there and just love the people that we met. They were just great. Three years later, I go back and it had changed. You know, in three years, Putin was on the rise. Everybody was nervous. All of the people that we'd interviewed three years earlier pretended like we didn't exist, wouldn't talk to us, wouldn't go on camera, wouldn't even take a phone call. They were scared and they had a right to be, you know, and I'm not sure that there'll ever be a time like that or opportunity again to go to Russia to find out more about what they know. But so it was really fortuitous that we were able to get in and get out. absolutely man and um you know i think you've got a lot of footage we'll try to put some of that footage in this episode so people can see kind of like if we can find that footage of the dude hitting that thing with the laser beam on i released it it's out there yeah yeah it'll be great so i've got like just four kind of news points at the end of the show today um first of all i have been lagging on responding to people over years with weaponized because it's just we get inundated hundreds of thousands of emails. No human being can do it. You and I can't do it. But through a little help of my friend AI, my buddy Hal, I've been able to analyze a whole bunch of the emails that have come in. And so people will be getting responses soon. There are individual cases seen by very credible people. We're talking homicide detectives, people that are trained observers, military individuals, and also just civilians that have footage and like really cool stuff. And I don't know that every piece of footage, I don't know. I don't know. But the point is putting it out, telling people's stories. So I hope on Weaponized, sometimes we can have people, they might not have a piece of footage, but they are credible witnesses in positions that, you know, are of trust. And then also they're trained observers. I'd love to be able to have them on too, to tell us what it is that they saw. Now, if they have a photo or video, even better. But I got some candidates for that, that I'll go over with you. And I'm very excited about that, that there's a whole bunch of people that have reached out to you and me, George. We haven't been able to respond because of the amount of communications, but I've found a way to narrow that down. Second point of news, we've put out a clips channel. I know you don't know much about it, George, but Michael, our Wizard of Oz and Weaponized, we're trying to create a thing so that people can see some meat of an episode in a clip. So it's a YouTube channel. It's YouTube slash the at symbol, and then it's Weaponized Clips. And what we're doing there is we're releasing these bite-sized chunks so people can see, oh, do I want to watch that episode? And then go watch the main episode. So I'm really excited about that. Everybody go and subscribe to that so you get notified when we drop some of these bite-sized segments so you can see if you want to watch a long-form episode two other points george today is a very special day a good friend of ours it's his birthday and i just when we're recording today not when we're releasing and i just want to say happy birthday to the og the godfather bob lazar happy birthday bob give us a call. Let us know what you're up to. I'm very excited. I think we're going to hear more from Bob in the next year. I know there's a great movie that's being made, a documentary that hopefully will further information about Bob. I know he probably hates it. He hates having to do anything, you know, engage the public. But ultimately, you know, as a strong individual, he's like, people got to know and judge for themselves if I'm telling you the truth. Here's my story. So I'm glad he allowed that to happen. We should be hearing more from Bob this year. Last order of business. You know, look, you and I obtain all the time footage that it takes us time to vet. What we can vet is that it's real military footage, that it was actually labeled UAP by our own intelligence agencies, that you were never supposed to see it, you know, the public, and that they have classified it UAP. And it's an example. It's like a data set, an extra little piece. No one video is ever going to do anything. I learned that a long time ago. But adding to the data set is something I love to do. And there's one video that you and I have obtained that we've agreed, okay, it's worthy of public discourse. And it shows what appear to be in thermal orbs, which is the most obvious or common UAP that's out there. but it's very interesting to me because of the triangular formation that these orbs uh move in and then how you can tell it's not one triangular unit the the lead one kind of jumps back and forward again or that's what it looks like to me with an untrained eye now we've had some people look at it and everybody agrees it's worthy to put out so this is military footage you weren't supposed to see that we obtained and legally as journalists once we obtain it um it's going out And so if you're cool with it, I think we should show people. I know we recorded somewhere else and then we talked about it. I think we should show people that footage today so they can just get out there dissecting tools and help us understand what our government thinks are UAP. Is that cool with you? Yeah. To quote a line from The Right Stuff, let's light this candle. I think today we're going to reach into the grab bag and start taking a look at some of the video pieces that have come our way from time to time. Yeah. I think this one that we're going to talk about today was very impressive to me because, first of all, we know for sure that it's authenticity. It is military film footage, which you and I know is our favorite because there's a way to document, record that. Where we know the source of it, there's so much that is AI generated these days, and there are great civilian videos, but it's really hard to trust them if they're not multi-source. These sensor systems the military have accumulate more data. So even though it's not like an iPhone image, you're seeing black and white. Some people made a joke, it looks like Pong, right? Some of these look like Pong. And I get that. But what you're seeing is more visual data than you would through normal camera systems. We are not video analysts. We're not image analysts. We claim no expertise on that. So the best videos that we can provide are those in which the U.S. military determines what category these things fall in. And if they didn't call them UAPs, we wouldn't be presenting them as UAPs. That determination is made by our Department of Defense, now our Department of War. They make the call on that. We're just sharing it and hoping that we can get additional information after we make these things public. And they didn't just call them UAP. They designated them UAP and they put them in a separate archive for UAP. You know, it's funny because you look at Arrow and they're trying to, you know, kind of solve these cases and everything they put online. It's not that spectacular. So when we get something that shows one of the five observables, you know, I don't get if Arrow really wants to, you know, kind of inform the public. Why don't if we're showing better videos than them, why don't they go get the goodies the good ones that are labeled UAP and bring them out and analyze them so with that said this one really struck me when I first saw it it appeared to me like it was triangular in shape but then after watching through it there was unique movement that broke that form and I think that that's what's interesting to me about the video this is a military recorded sensor generated image of what looks like a triangular ufo uh like one big triangular craft with dots on each of the three ends and clearly you watch this that's not what it is and and that's it that's at first glance if we just had a still image i'd be like that looks like a triangle shaped craft but that's the beauty of having the the full video is you see a break in that formation and a pretty distinct and interesting movement. Now, again, our military said, our Department of Defense or Department of War now said that this is a formation. It's a very interesting set of words. If these are orbs, like three independent orbs, and they break that formation. So let's play the video for everybody, but also let's look at it and just kind of fresh see what we think. The following UAP video has no audio. We recommend our audio listeners to watch the full video version of this episode. Thank you. like a slingshot yeah yeah that's clearly not one craft with three points of light on the corners right so these objects seem to be aware and intelligent of one another and they're keeping like equidistant equidistant as they fly but then all of a sudden you see one to make this playful little move as if it drops back in the formation and then comes forward again but again this is a military filmed piece of UAP footage designated by our department of defense or Department of War now as UAP in formation. And it's pretty interesting movement. It's display of movement is what is interesting to me about this. Yeah, it's a special place in the world. You can understand why there would be a number of military platforms keeping an eye on whatever's in the sky down there. It's over the Persian Gulf. It's over water. And that body of water on one side is our ally, Saudi Arabia. On the other side is Iran, not so nice contemporary in that region but um you can imagine why we would be keeping an eye on whatever is flying in the sky right around there and i don't know if we reported on it uh with audio because i think i was keeping the individual in charge of the ship you know private but we did report that in persian gulf there were instances where uap would come above the bridges of ships and in one case flooded the bridge with so much light that one of the commanding officers said to us, and we do have a recording of this testimony, and I'm going to ask if we could put it out. But when she, I want to say when she brought her hand up to her face, she said, it was so bright, I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. That's really bright light. That's not just like a spotlight being shined into the bridge. So in the Persian Gulf, you know, we have a lot of military cameras and equipment. So we have a disproportionate amount of footage from the Middle East with UAP because we have great sensors out there all the time flying around. So that's a sensor bias of where you get more UAP is military filmed. But anyway, so Persian Gulf is this place where we've heard a lot about UAP contact with military forces, including the light situation I just talked about. Again, I don't see with my amateur eyes, I don't see any distinguishable wings or tail or fins or exhaust that would indicate the propulsion. So let's see what people say. Let's put it out and see if we can get more information. But your government has labeled this UAP and you were never supposed to see this footage. I imagine there's members of Congress that would like to see it, who I don't even know if they've asked to see the repository of UAP videos that we've mentioned to them in the past, but it must be frustrating for them to know that this kind of stuff exists and they're not allowed to poke into it or get a glimpse of it at all. We do have some additional details about this thing that we're not able to release right now. We don't want to get anybody in trouble, but perhaps some people out there who see this on Weapon Eyes will be able to kick in and provide some more details for us. Sounds great. Do we know if Arrow has seen this? They should be able to see it. They say they have access to everything. They're watching the show right now. And what you're commenting about Congress, I do think as good journalists, part of our job is to inform our congressional members prior to release. So I think we'll just leave it at that. What kind of balloons do you suppose these are going to become in a couple of weeks? The debunkers are amazing. They should talk more directly with our government because they could solve all their cases faster than our government can. They're all balloons, of course. Yeah, anyway, UAP information, Persian Gulf. Really glad we could finally get this out to the public. I think it's a significant UAP video because of the observables that we're seeing. you