"We ❤️ Our Customers" (w/ Demi Lovato)

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. We interrupt your regular programming for a very special announcement. You're too close. Give it here. Watch me, Sam Thompson, Julie Love, Joel Dommitt and GK Barry cause absolute mayhem. Starting tonight, the TV shows are fake, but victim testings are real. Sabotage! Fire evacuation please. My chance is a fucking down. Celebrity Sabotage starts tonight on ITV1 and ITVX. Not tomorrow, not Monday, tonight. Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho, ho, ho? It's me, Matt Rogers, and in the words of another Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour, Matt Rogers' Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December with Henry Kaporsky and the whole band performing my album, Have You Heard of Christmas, along with a bunch of other little surprises. So if you're in LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia, DC, New York City, Boston, Toronto, Chicago, or, yes, Orlando, Florida, I want to see your gorgeous ass. Go to mattrogersofficial.com or head to my Instagram at mattrogers though and hit the link in my bio. Until then, stream the album, get your look together and get ready to deck the damn halls at a venue near you. Christmas in December, you in my heart. XOXO Santa Boy. Look, Matt. Oh, I see him. Hi, oh my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that the culture? Yes, goodness. Wow. Las Culturas Das. Ding dong, Las Culturas Das Calling. What do you think is in the air right now? Fall. Fall? Spooky season for sure. I haven't been spooked at all. Can I say that's not been a part of it. I think we're about to get spooked though. We're about to go to New Orleans for our friend Joel Kimbooster's bachelor party. Did you know it's New Orleans gay Halloween weekend? I think someone knew, someone in the group knew, otherwise they wouldn't have picked New Orleans for that week. I think this is all very intentional, certainly not on our parts. We're just along for the ride. It's targeted. It's targeted. But here's the thing about gay weekend vacation. It just so happens to... I face this in P-town too. Because it's like the thing about New Orleans and also P-town is, well, maybe more New Orleans than P-town, but they talk about the food in New Orleans. And so I'm really going to want to center your gumbo, your... Veniers. Veniers. Your andouille. And more. And more. All the food. And then at the same time, it's like a gay Halloween weekend. You know what I'm saying? It's like you don't want to necessarily be full of the Bula Bass when you're trying to shake that ace. Well, I want... That's really good. What is it? I want a Bula to get me in the base. You want a Bula in your base. Well, Bula in my base is... Don't you want a Bula Bula Bula bass? You got the Bula Bass. Oh, my God, Ratatouille would love this song. But I have to say that he wouldn't because that's not his name. That's not his name, it's Remy. Remy. Which... Do you remember finding that out? Holy fuck. That was when you knew that that movie was for adults. It wasn't a Pixar movie for kids. It was firing on other cylinders. Well, that the title is a peasant vegetable dish and not the cute little mouse? Yeah. Like, that was when Pixar went, this one's a thinker. And it's... And yeah, we're going to trick the kids into the theater with these little mice and the posters, him surrounded by knives against a door. I don't remember that ever happening in the movie. Then it becomes a whole treatise on art and the joy of cooking and romance in Paris. So Ratatouille doesn't have any, I would say, Cajun New Orleans food in it. Can I tell you something? I've never seen it. Are you serious? I don't really what... Can I come out and say something? Are you serious? I don't really watch the Disney movies. I don't watch the Disney movies. I'm serious. They're not a part of my culture that I consume. Wait. I don't do that. I go... I don't do the Disney films. Are you serious? You know I don't. What is this? I don't. I don't watch the movies. I like to go on the rides. It's a conifest conception. What was the last Disney movie you saw? We'll get this. In today's episode of the podcast, we have Demi Lovato on, famous Disney star turned... Business stick. Very remmy from Ratatouille narrative, used to be a Disney star, is now for gay adults. Mm-hmm. Very remmy narrative. But in this episode, which we're about to hear, this is really just a little appetizer, if we're going with the remmy meal metaphor, which we are, and we'll keep doing. Remmy for gay adults. For me, when I go to Epcot, Remmy's for gay adults. I don't... Sure, it's this gay adult. And we should just also clear up, Boulabaisse is a French stew, and it's not Cajun. We also must... We're gonna get reamed by the cooks out there. Oh, no, reamed by the cooks. I don't hate that suggestion. I don't hate the sound of that. Singer this weekend, you fucking fags. I would love a chef to fuck me. Oh, I would love a chef to fuck me. You know, have I ever been fucked by a chef? No. Let me think about that. While I am, I was gonna say, Demi Lovato mentions the movie Soul in this episode, the Disney movie Soul. That maybe was the last Disney one. No, I did see that, and I remember leaving being like, eh, okay. Well, that came out during COVID. So you left the room, you left the room that you watched it in? No, I mean, I watched it. I remember I watched it in my LA apartment, and I was just like, eh, this one wasn't really in for me. I kind of need either one of two things. Like, a lot of music or a big gay villain who dies in an overdrawn way. I've talked about this on the show. If you don't give me either one of those things, it's not the Disney movie for me, but it is the Disney movie for Demi Lovato, which she says in the episode. And I'm so happy for her. For that reason and the new album, you know? I'm very happy for the new album, for her and for myself. I'm happy for everybody. I really am. I think this is a moment we're not playing here. I think this is a moment for the culture where if we do write by this album, we're not being paid to say this. Like, if we do write by this album as a culture, as a community, we will be okay. I genuinely believe that. And let me tell you something. They try to pay us to say things, and we always say no. Actually, T. Besides the ads that we... Besides the ads that we do. Besides the ads that were paid to say. By the way, they try to tell us to say... They try to tell us. And sometimes they do. And it works in the ads. But first of all, any ad you get for the military or for some quote-unquote agency in this fucking country of ours is not something that we ever put on the show. And we actually do have a connection every week. And we do bring it up to the fucking top, so we take this off. Oh, yeah. If you ever hear an ad for the Air Force on this podcast, please let us know. Wait a minute. We will fly right in, as it were. Yeah, I wanted to say something. What do you want to say? Nothing. I'll tell you later. Oh. See? See what? We're not being authentic. No, no. This is between Bo and I. This is between me and Matt. Oh, yeah. We're having a big Demi era, that's for sure. Well, I'm saying if we do write by this album, it's not that deep. Out this Friday, October 24th, mm-hmm, you will really, really be happy. I think we will be dancing during Spooky Season. There will be something to really bring the community together on Halloween. No matter what the community is, no matter how you... Listen to me. My lips, your lips, take me to the core risk. I kiss for fun. It's fun to kiss. To kiss. Lyrics. Lyrics, music and lyrics. A movie starring Hugh Grant and Drew Barrymore. Also, the things that this album excels at. Music and lyrics. I look at lyrics. I really think you'll enjoy. Well, it's actually so crucial that an album excel at both music and lyrics. Actually, we'll call it your number nine. It's actually so crucial. It's actually so crucial that an album excel. At both music and lyrics. I would say this one does it in spades. Oh, yeah. Any other updates? I think we are really loving this. We've done this a couple of times in the past, right? I think for the Cape Land chat episode, we did a little 30-minute chunk up top of just my sister and I to keep things up to date. And I really dig this. I really like this. Well, I basically like... I was really excited today because it's a very fall day and I sort of got to dress in this new fall way because I don't know if you know by looking at me, but I clearly went to the Red Hook Flea. You know what I mean? They sell zip up Missoni vests at the Red Hook Flea. Look at this. Can you just get into it? You look amazing. I saw it and Melissa was like, I think you need that. And I was like, I don't know. Now, take me to the chorus. You look like you're about to be a really handsome three-character, three-episode arc on succession if that show is still on. Thank you so much. I do feel a little bit like what Jeremy Strong would wear outside of the boardroom in that show. Yes. Yes. Jeremy Strong's style icon, by the way. He looked amazing this weekend at the Academy Gala. So did you, but I didn't even really know what that event was and it was like a fashion event. Yes, they are trying to make it sort of like a West Coast version of another famous museum gala. The Man Gala. Yes, but I don't want to compare it. And I'm not really... I do. I want to compare. Okay. But truly, what a fun night and some looks returned. Nikki Campbell had a fun, snarky thing to say about my outfit and it felt like a dream come true. Nikki Campbell is constantly saying I'm in the wrong color. And what I want to say to him is that color is subjective. The color blind. Also, I'm sorry, but he recently said something was good that was bad. And I'm like, see, it's subjective. Nikki Campbell is really helping me get back to that place that I took for granted during the fashion police era where I'm like, I disagree with this opinion and that's okay. And this actually applies to every kind of thing in life, hopefully. I'm actually going to bravely say what I thought was bad that he thought was good. And a lot of people are talking about it and I do think it's culture and I do think it's gay culture. And so I respect the parties involved for creating gay culture with this. And I do think it's smart for the movie. But what Alexander Skarsgard just wore to the... It was like a white, almost halter top and like black leather pants. He looked hot, but that top didn't look right on him. I disagree. Let's see. We're okay. I thought I looked amazing. I thought it looked incredible. Maybe I'm wrong. Because then actually I did look at... Then I looked at again like two days later and I was like, okay, I mean, it is working like I am a little horny for this. You got a chub. Yeah. I definitely had a chub. But I was like, is that Alexander Skarsgard? Especially him being so fluid or is that the look? And I don't think it's the look. I think he was very sexy in spite of the look. Mm-hmm. Interesting. See, that's where I come in on it. Let me pull this girl out. Pull it up again. Because I'm in discussion... I just don't know about the way that the top looks. Are you looking at it? I don't know. Yeah, it's giving like Donna Karen. You love it. I think the darts... I think the dart... It's not a dart, but I think the way that there's a stitching along, up and down is... God, he is such a hot... Okay, you know what? Forget I said. He looks amazing. He does look amazing. What do you mean? He also could do no wrong. I mean, is he number one? God, you go on Google Images of Alexander Skarsgard and it's really a treat. I'm sure of a gem of a human being as well. Good enough for Jack McBrayer. Good enough for us. I've heard this. Well, they're like iconic besties. I know. Jack... Jack McBrayer. Come on the pod. Fredrunner for Best Vibes, hands down. Oh, yes. That man is a vibe. He's really good. He's really fun. I really enjoy him. I'm a fan of him. I'm a fan of him. I'm a fan of him. I'm a fan of him. I'm a fan of him. I really enjoy him. I must... I just have to say that. Can we just shout out? I'm like really... I'm sorry, while you were doing that, I was still feeling the free song about Alexander Skarsgard and I had a thought run through my head which was I should make him my phone background, but I think that's a bridge too far. Why is that? Because I'm like a grown man. Well, look at him. Oh, okay. So a couple of things, first of all. Congratulations on another amazing banner week on the Today Show with Jenna. Oh, thank you. You were fabulous as always. A lot of hot employees on the staff were crushing on my friend Matt Rogers. Really? Didn't you guys have a whole thing? We're like... Oh, no. She was saying that one of her mom friends was like, I like Matt Rogers. I have a crush on Matt Rogers. I thought it was this. Either it was someone on staff. They would never ace you a professional. It was like her former assistant was texting her current assistant. I wish Matt Rogers was straight, which is such a kind thing to say when you're a straight woman. No, I really do. I take that as a compliment. But then she was saying that she was a round of bunch of mom friends who were saying they like me on the show. There you go. I mean, I love going and doing the show. I just don't think they're going to want to pay anyone to do that job. I know. That's my thing. Everyone's like, when is it going to be official? I'm like, I'm not thinking of it like that. Yeah, I think there are a lot of factors surrounding this that are out of our control in this area. To speak whatever. We'll end it there. But I also want to say really quickly, I have to commend the work of friend of the pod, Brooke Ashley. I have been wrapped in her storytelling. Oh, my God. When it comes to the Ocefo scandal of it all, I don't think we've just spent too much time on this. But it is real. I am thinking about this situation a lot. Very, very, very, very unfortunate for a lot of reasons. If you don't know, one of the real houses of Potomac, Wendy Ocefo and her husband, Eddie Ocefo, are allegedly in this sort of insurance fraud scheme that is just super unfortunate. They apparently allegedly staged a burglary, reported these goods stolen. They then returned these allegedly stolen goods to the retailer before the burglary allegedly took place. And then, Wendy was seen on social media with a piece of jewelry after the burglary. Yeah, they were arrested. Like, they were arrested on multiple counts of felonies and other misdemeanors, but all related to insurance fraud. And this is the first, I guess, guest of our show that's been arrested for felony crimes. I really hope this is some kind of mistake that can get cleared up, but also I don't think they go out of their way to make a full-blown arrest, like especially one that's as public as this without there being something. I will say the thing that makes me saddest about this is... Is the children. Well, yes, obviously. But also, we saw them try a lot of ways to make money. You know what I mean? She came in with this full-blown identity as a professor, as someone who was very well-educated, famously four degrees. She also has a career as a commentator, a political commentator. She was trying to do a talk show. She tried to do a home essentials line. There's now the weed business. These are people that we saw try many different ways to make money. And I don't know how successful those were or how things look on the outset. But I just think it's really sad that people that are as smart as this or as accomplished as this and that presented as such different types of people felt that they needed to do something like this. And I really hope that... I'm just rooting for their innocence. And I think the whole thing is really sad because I'm a Dr. Wendy fan. And the final thing I want to say is I blame Giselle. I blame Giselle. Oh, I absolutely blame Giselle and Robin. I blame Giselle. I blame Robin. I blame Ashley. I blame them all. Oh, Ashley Darby remains one of the dumbest people to ever live. You posted that story of her being like, so I'm going to the White House Correspondence Dinner and it's not really a partisan thing. It's like, I mean, kind of is when you... Oh, according to who, Ashley? According to her, I guess, in that moment. One of our great, great minds, I'm sorry. I go for... I go for how stupid these, specifically these two people are. And it is sad that like, whatever, I also root for Wendy. That's all I'm going to say. I root for Wendy. I think this is so shocking and so unfortunate for... Whatever happens, whatever the truth is, I mean, none of it is right. But there are so many things about this that are wrong, but I just think, you know, on a human level, it's like, it's just a terrible system that we live in, right? That like, motivates this kind of thing. That's all. I just think, how the fuck did they think they were going to get away with it if that's what they were doing? Amix doesn't play. Insurance doesn't play. No. Insurance will come after you. Anything above what, like $400, $500? No, like the charge was, insurance brought over $300. Like anything above that. Well, it was, so basically they claimed up to $450,000 and stolen goods because that was what their insurance policy required. Covered, yeah. They claim if, you know what I mean? So even that, just like barely getting over that little, you know what? It's just all of it feels, all of it feels a little too dumb, which is why I'm hoping there can be something else that comes out that clears them just because I'm so devastated for their very young children. They have an adorable family. And you know, I've always been, I've always been a Wendy fan, but then, you know, who the fuck knows? We don't really, we don't know these people. I mean, Brian Moeyland did a great breakdown. On his Housewives bulletin on Vulture, just like the tears of lying that happens on Housewives. And I think just that just happened in real life. But like this is the most serious. I mean, it goes from like simple misunderstandings to like, you know, embellishing the truth all the way down to like criminal things, right? And late, like the recent examples of this are perhaps this Wendy situation. Certainly the Cady Janella of it all on OC. And, you know, classically Monica Garcia. Like, like there's, there's just the thing, but the thing at the root of all this is just not being able to reconcile like the real life versus what is being shown on TV, like the gilded exterior of what you want to show on a television show, which is different than social media where you can just control things. You are handing over the edit to people that are not out there to make you look good. Yeah. I mean, that's, I guess, like, I think that's what's the darkest about it is it's just like clearly like what was motivating them was like material stuff. And at first I was kind of like, well, at least this is a crime that doesn't harm anyone. You know, like Jen Shaw's crimes like explicitly harmed people like so it's and then I was thinking, yeah, but I mean, it harmed their kids. I know. That's the thing that sucks is like the only people this harms are your family. I thought about her mother like because she's got like, you know, like a tough relationship with her mom. She was really hemming and hawing about leaving her job as a professor. Her mother is an Igerian immigrant. Like she even wrote a book about this experience. Like this is like a hardworking, like very smart woman who tried a lot of things. And it almost made me feel like, oh God. And even Whitney Rose like opening up on Salt Lake about her business failing. Like I do think there's some there's some layer that's being pulled back now about because it did feel like about four or five years ago, there was like this Housewives resurgence again. You know what I mean? Like I felt like Salt Lake doing so well and being in headlines and then like, you know, BravoCon exploding the way it did. Like it felt like an industry again that was really motivating these entrepreneurial attempts by the women. And one dark side of that is that a lot of that is going to fail. And so I think that it's honestly saving Whitney on the show because it felt like that cast was getting so crowded for her to come out and be like, Hey, I am going to be really honest about this. Like I did not succeed. And she and she was not shy at the time about being like Justin lost his job. I'm putting everything into this. So then by the same token for her to now come in and be like, Hey, all that stuff I said, that was real. I really did sink a lot of my stuff and it failed. Yeah. Is like making her it's, you know, kind of yeah, it gives her this really new thing to play with. I don't think we've seen a lot of this in the Housewives franchises. I think she's being very, I know it's actually it's very refreshing. We've always rooted for Whitney here. Love Whitney. We love Whitney and especially loved her conversation with Brittany. I mean, haunting, but can we say we love Brittany? But Brittany, like we are all Whitney in that moment shaking you being like, you absolutely cannot date this man any further if your daughter is saying it's a hard line in the sand. Like you cannot. And then the next step, which is like we are back together. Brittany, Brittany, if you're listening, we say this with just love. I know you've been probably getting so much, you know, caustic feedback from just the public. And that is that is an awful sensation. And that is completely disorienting telling you how to be a parent. We are we're not necessarily here to do that, but we're here to tell you in a situation like this where one thing is deleterious of the other, it seems like dating Jared is really harming in a potentially permanent way your relationship with your children. That's all. And it's going to be documented. Yes. And that's that's even more painful. Well, but you know what though, she's got to show up 54 below. She's going the Luan route. I love it. But she's been genuinely so talented. I'm not to say that Luan isn't. Here's the thing about Luan. She's a star. I've seen that show two times. I don't know if I'd call her a vocal talent, but I would call her a star. Oh, an icon. And I took down my post where it was Bravo MG posting about how Luan was cast as the character of the lion. I took a time because it was taking jabs at her quote unquote male voice. And I was like, okay, I don't want to do that. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, like I like I don't want I don't want like to like public. I don't know. Like however she feels about that, I don't want that to be. You're being sensitive about a comment about someone's gender or that's Amber that could that. Yeah, I mean that you're being sensitive, but it's the tambourine. The Tamber. Luan has a man's voice as a well trod. I know. And I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to keep grooming a well trod path. So I anyway, but we're just saying we love Luan as well. We're just saying one thing I'm saying about you is you're always grooming the path of the untrodden grooming a new path. You're always grooming. That's what I always say about when he is always grooming. I see him out here grooming. Yes, yes, yes. Well, I've been getting so I remember when I told you about that allergy around my eye. Yes, how is it going? You know what it is? It's just that I can't use any like makeup or anything that's like scented, I guess I have to use all clean products. I don't know when this happened. Right now I kind of like I have to say like this is my office. So I'm in my New York apartment and I'm really happy when I put my desk because the light is really I'm so satisfied to have good zoom lighting in here. That's great. And also like we used clean makeup this week for some stuff that we had to do and I'm like, okay, thank God, I'm not breaking out around my eyes because that is frustrating when something with your skin is a suddenly head. It's I don't think so honey coated to also take the fragrances out of makeup period. Right? Why? I don't I never got that unless if hey if you if you love your fragrance scented makeup, let us know why we'd love to get some perspective on this. What if I just started wearing white diamonds by Elizabeth Taylor? Here we go. Talk about Elizabeth Taylor and your your your new session. White diamonds and lovers are forever. Can I tell you why? Okay, so just to briefly touch on this, if you don't like the song Elizabeth Taylor, two things, it's fine. I'm not going to get intense about it. One, I just wouldn't want you around like my kids like I wouldn't trust you. Like I think you should go I think you're you're I wouldn't I don't trust you. And two, you're not thinking of it as a Matt Rogers character. Right? Oh, if you think of it as a me character, you're going to think Elizabeth Taylor is one of the great songs of the American of the global songbook. And if we had to make the list again, it would be in the top 50. People don't understand her mind on Elizabeth Taylor. They're not understanding her mind. Would you say that the way into the album in general is to think of her on this album as a Matt Rogers character? Yeah, it could help. It could help. No, but here's the thing. Like people are I think now the dust has kind of settled about it and people can start to talk about this album like human beings. Fate of Ophelia, Elizabeth Taylor, Opalite, Father Figure, the first four tracks, that is unreal. Like that's really good. And then I have the same complaints about eldest daughter that everyone else does. But then we're back with Ruin the Friendship and Ruin the Friendship is classic Taylor, classic Taylor. I, you know, I had a really crazy delayed moment with both midnight and now in the last couple of days evermore, you were always right. I should never doubt you. We might not be synchronized in our opinions, but I will, I will maybe meet you at some we will intersect in them at some point. Who's to say that I won't move past it? Just to hear you guys finally get on board with like a song like Maroon, which is so good. I never said Maroon. What song were you not feeling for midnight? Lavender Hayes? Yeah, for some reason, I never I wrote off Lavender Hayes is like not one of her best openers on an album. It's a Remy thing. You just had to grow up. Fuck you. Wait, what? What does Remy mean? It's a Remy Ratatouille thing. I know, I know. It used to be used to be young for kids. Then one day he fucked. I don't understand. Mimmy and midnight. No, the production on Lavender Hayes goes so hard. Anyway, it's we're having Jake Shane on the show next week. We did a full episode with Jake way before life of a showgirl had come out. So we don't even talk about it. It's a wonderful time capsule. That's a fantastic episode. This is a fantastic episode. Anything else before we throw it over to our conversation with Dummy? Well, I love I did want to say speaking of the pop girls. I loved you grinding on Sabrina and I did just want to ask you like for any BTS when you and Sabrina were sort of rubbing your private parts on each other all day for comedy. Like, how did you break through the awkwardness of that? Was it ever awkward? Are you guys texting a lot now? Are we going to see a bow and straight and act itself in real life? You and Sabrina Carpenter would be an incredible power couple. I actually think that. Thank you. Really? What makes you say? You're like the Barry Keogan of gay guys. You're not totally wrong. You kind of are actually. You kind of are. Interesting. Like I started off doing little smaller supporting roles and then and then I and then I really found like my thing. Now you're at the Academy Gala getting a vibes Oscar. Congratulations on your vibes Oscar. Thank you. We're calling it. You know, it was very Barry Keogan of me was was was Mr. Laurdy and I reconnecting on the flight back to New York. That's really good. And so that's that's very Barry. No. And and now I'm I was running around my house, my apartment today, fully naked. And I did feel like Barry at the end of saltburn, a movie that I might someday also come to really enjoy in the way that I do with midnight. I think saltburn, like looking back, I probably was too hard on that. It's it's for it's fun. I can't wait for weathering heights. I can't wait for weathering heights. I want to say that, yes, even with Life of a Showgirl, even with a lot of recent releases or not so recent releases, like I think there is a latent period of like wait for this to wait for this to like congeal in the culture before like I I don't come out with like a rush to take anymore. No, it's just because because honestly, like everyone's so crazy when it first comes out. Like I also just like I said, like I've said a million times, it's just not why music exists so that people can raise the have a take on it. Even like the Swift Dala just who I've been watching a lot of like because that's where I'm at. I guess he's very smart. He even waits like he does his like his like immediate reaction. And then he and it was interesting. He waited two weeks for his showgirl. Yeah. And his ultimately his opinion is that Life of a Showgirl is mid. And but and I even think that might change. I don't think it's mid. I think there's I think there's one. So I don't like canceled at all. I just I don't like I don't like content about cancellation. I don't like like I just don't like any I don't like talking about I don't like the word canceled. Like I just don't think it's it's it's not forward thinking. I think Taylor might be aware that this is her album that she will leave behind as the one where it was like that was her at our most chronically online because the rest of the world was too. Like I there's something that I think is true about her earlier work that is more timeless because it is not it was not as online because we weren't as a culture. I think because the culture is bad. We have bad reactions to work that is about the current moment. And therefore people have really strong reactions to it. And I think this album I think this album will make sense in about a year which I think all of the like every every sticky piece of work does like at some you know after a certain lane period. What are you going to say? I think it does make sense already because I actually think like I think whether or not like you like the explanations because she has given a couple which you could argue like should you be able should you have to explain things for people to get them. But like the first verse of eldest daughter she was like no I'm intentionally speaking in a way that people speak online because it is like me trying to fit into something that I can't. And then when the song progresses by the time you get to the bridge which is like actually a really beautiful bridge. It's actually a really good track five bridge when you stack them all up together. That's actually me speaking the way I really speak because I'm not trying too hard. So basically she's come out and said if the first verse sounds like it's trying too hard that's by design. Now people can have their opinions on that whatever. But I do think it speaks to a larger thing about the album which is she didn't write a million songs. She probably wrote like these 12 maybe a few more and she said you know what I'm going to fucking go for it and I'm going to be messy and I'm going to have people talking. And certainly there are some things in here that like relate to her peers Charlie. You could argue Olivia with the father figure of it all. I actually think in the in the movie that she you know had in theaters like she pretty directly not she doesn't outright confirm that it's about Olivia. She says she was on both sides of this dynamic. She says she's been on both sides of the dynamic and she also like goes out of her way to say we interpolated father figure by George Michael and the song father figure and we were in communication with them the whole time because that's what you do when you interpolate something and it's great and that's the right thing to do which to me is directly speaking to the concerns about the Olivia Rodrigo and why Taylor Jack and St. Vincent have writing credit on a song like deja vu. So to me it's like not only is she not only is that what the song is about but she wants people to know which is a choice and like you know like that she certainly that's going to be polarizing but I think that's the point of life of a showgirl is I think she wants it to be messy. She said she welcomes the chaos everyone's takes online. So like I think she wanted this to be like a chaotic messy like pop star showgirl era whether or not you think it achieved that is up to everyone's individual opinion but I think the album does make sense in that way. I don't know what her intention is with performing these songs live because she's not done I have no idea and she says she has no plans to which I don't know if I believe but I think this is there's something interesting about just letting these live on the album on on the track and not have it like have any sort of life beyond but what I think is her best music video maybe ever which is ever I feel yeah I actually and I think the song is really good and I just think I just think you're being disingenuous if you don't listen to the first four songs like I understand as the album goes on like people have their differing feelings I both agree disagree on certain levels but like she opens this album so strong I love the fate of Ophelia a lot of Gaga songs I'll even say took me a few listens to be like oh I get it um then anyway I not on mayhem though I I may have like when we because we did we did our fresh lesson of mayhem together with Bobby oh yeah that was the best but that that album straight through first time we were like oh this is this is one of our best well that's the album of the year for sure but you know what other album I really like which kind of came out in the midst of all the life of a showgirl stuff is Olivia Dean's album that is gonna have a really big move I think and in all the vocal in the vocal categories will do very well at the Grammys I think oh I think Olivia Dean like Man I Need deserves to be the song that takes over like I think that oh I want to see Olivia Dean nominated for best new artist I want to see Olivia Dean I would love to see that album get love I think Man I Need well that could be a record of the year song of the year nomination like a song like that like because she wasn't like she was some huge name but I will say I remember a few years ago maybe it was two years ago at Coachella I was walking by the Gobi tent during the day and Olivia Dean was performing and I was like we have to stop and she sang a song called The Hardest Thing which I ended up streaming a ton and there was something really special about her so watching her get this moment the music video for Man I Need is so she's like so in her stardom it's like it's like a little bit more of like an activated Adele. She will be on SNL as the musical guest right the week after nominations are announced I think her team her label is probably expecting a very impactful showing in the nominations so that nominations voting our awards voting whatever is this is parlaying very nicely. I might really want to go to that show what date is that? November 15th. Okay oh I'm at BravoCon that's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be a good one. Wow we covered a lot of stuff. We did a lot and so basically I just wanted to get on here with Bo because I feel like I know that we're doing a lot of guest episodes and I just wanted to touch base because so much has been happening and I want you to hear our voices but we do have an amazing episode with Demi Lovato right now who is amongst the you know albums that we're really enjoying also shout out Lola Young and I hope she gets well because her album is fantastic too but yeah this episode with Demi is a lot of fun. Enjoy. Okay seven stops to write this best man speech. Hi I'm Liam and I've got nothing. Stop funny. Funny's good. I beat her. He'd never forgive me. What about friendship is a journey. Oh great. Come on that's it. In year five Dan had the bright idea to cracking the best best man speech on the train you can. Cabri Dairy Milk bars are made to share but how do you decide who gets what? If you're the one who does the washing keeps all the socks from getting separated, irons and folds it then you deserve the biggest share and if you have a floor job well you're lucky to get a few chunks really. Cabri made to share. Pick up a limited edition bar now. Ding dong, Last Culture is just calling. A figure of lore in the Last Culture universe is here. Truly. Truly a figure of lore she has the number one song on the great global songbook our 300 song we've ranked the 300 best songs ever. What do we always say? Our grandparents had somewhere over the rainbow our grandchildren have cool for the summer. It's a rule of culture somewhere in there. It might as well be number one. She did place in the Iconic 400 list of 400 most iconic people for our 400th episode anniversary. She beat out Elmo, she beat out Martha Stewart I believe and I think she beat out Holland Taylor. Just edged out Holland Taylor. Just edged out iconic. And then Carrie Fisher was won. It was Carrie Fisher 149, Demi Lovato 150. This is hallowed ground. I wonder if I don't we're gonna bring our guest in a second because her new album is not that deep. Like literally it is deep to us though because I was telling our guest we had the link to the album in P-Town and they just they just told us they could see the streams of people listening to the links they sent out and they were like you guys were running it up. I was like no it's it was serious. I was ashamed at first and then I immediately was like no why would I be ashamed of loving something. Because did you think they could see it? Well I was like they could see it oh my god it's like it's like when someone like can like look at your emails or texts it's like vulnerable when someone can see the number of times you've played songs. How much they're obsessed with what you've done probably hits different. It's honestly it's so deserved. We've been a fan like from the jump and it's gonna be a huge Demi era so let's talk about it. October 24th. Yes in just a couple days. Please welcome to the show. Demi Lovato! Hello hello hello I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy you're here. Thank you. Did you know of like the place you hold them in our podcasts? I do. I have heard the clips and I've seen the support and it just makes me feel so loved and I was like I have to show my love right back so here I am and I'm so excited. We're so happy. Number one so that's like of all the songs I guess we did that when what was that like 2020? That was like 2021 was the great global songbook. I don't think any song is unsweetened cool for the summer at this point until my album. Thank you. You're so sweet. Thank you. The fact that you're releasing this album as like a fall fucking like dance moment is so major because I feel like fall gets like neglected and overlooked as like oh yeah like do all your moody shit in the fall but you're giving us something hyped up. We're still going out. Yeah. Just because it's fall doesn't mean we're not going out. No we'll just put our coat away. We still need to dance. Yeah there's a coat check. Yeah I do feel like Fast was more of a like a club song and then Here All Night is a little bit more emotional but yeah. But Here All Night is emotional while it's like it's very much giving like dancing on my own and like you're singing something like really emotional and painful but then the music and like the whole like I mean like the whole aesthetic of it is like fuck but like no you're dancing to this song about me like being fucking crashed out about my ass. Yes. Yes. Yes. But like that's like the duality and it is that deep sometimes. It can be that deep for sure but I'm I'm just like the album title for me it's not that deep. It's all about like I'm I'm not taking myself too seriously as an artist anymore like I'm just having fun and I wanted a body of work that's really reflective of that and I feel like I really accomplished it with this album. So when you're like sitting down to do a new record or when you feel like it's time are you were you thinking at first like I really want to have fun with my next project or were you like let's just see what happens and it was fun like what came first the chicken or the egg. Well originally I'm such a fluid person that like I have I've tried on different genres of music throughout my career and my last album was a rock album and so going into the I going into the next album I was like okay I want to continue the rock stuff but as I started writing the rock album I was like I can't really like I'm running out of things to write about because I'm so happy right now there's only so many rock songs you can make like happy rock songs that you can make. Today was good. Yeah and so then they all today was amazing and that's like that's exactly how I felt so I was like I need to like switch directions like that's not resonating with me I'm not angry anymore I'm not in this like deeply emotional place anymore like I was when I made my last album and so I started trying on different sounds and I what landed was when I got into the studio with my producer's zone and he had made this beat in the car in the uber on the way to the studio and was like yeah I just played I just made this track do you want to hear it and I'm like yeah turned out to be fire it was it turned into a song called frequency oh my god like you really went off on that thank you that was that that's the one I mean you repeat all of them because the album it hits so hard and then you just go back and start it again us in p-town frequency is a standout thank you you do that so well thanks and that song set the tone for the rest of the project yeah the frequency was first frequency was day one first I would say it was when the album really took flight yeah and when I when we did frequency I was like over onto something and I want to chase this sound and it was new for me it's different it's so different than anything I've ever done before and um and I I'm just I'm having so much fun with it I'm having so much fun in my life I'm in like such a great place and I wanted my album to be reflective of that and so I made a very fun dance pop album I mean at this point I think you've earned this idea about you which is like Demi Lovato is like one of our great chameleons like musically right like but I feel like it maybe took a while for people to realize that because I feel like going from confident to tell me you love me was like okay we're like we're really in this like nice great bodied like R&B sound and then you go into all the other and then holy fuck is like obviously departure and then now to go into this and on I feel like it must be a little overwhelming for you because you can do it all you can do so many things with your voice like what like the options are kind of overwhelming I would say right like it's good like like what makes you think like oh this is what I want to chase beyond the fact that like your producer sends you this track which he produced in his car don't produce and drive but no no no he was in an Uber fine he was in an Uber fine and he was at the wheel making that beat but let's just say he was at the wheel to make it more chaotic you know like even the Uber driver's gonna hear that sick track and be like hey what the fuck is that I'm not even in the Uber's but like what what what what tells you like what is that feeling that you have as a songwriter what inspires me at the time is what I chase and that's why I've I've fluctuated over the years with different genres genres genres baby get to know it but like I I really chase what's inspiring me in the moment and so when I when I made my rock album I was really influenced by rock music and at the time when I made Sorry Not Sorry and Tell Me You Love Me I was really inspired by more R&B music and this project I was really inspired by the pop girlies and that's what I chased and I'm really happy with it was that like a result of seeing everyone else kind of having because last year was such a crazy moment like from the top to the bottom of the year just felt like everyone was having fun again like which of your peers like are you inspired by mostly or like when you're going into this album well first off I was really inspired by Kesha for this album I'm just I'm such a fan of hers but she's also like side note she's such an incredible human being like I just I fuck with her so much she's so great and she was actually the one that was like you should get in the studio with ZONE because they did Joy Ride together and and amongst other songs but that was the one that I was like wait this is fire and so she was like you should get in the studio with ZONE so I did and that's what ended up you know you were in the zone as it was and I was in the zone yeah yeah when you're hearing a track like that like he plays you this track I just think if I'm Demi Lovato I'm like how do I figure my voice into it because you're so known for what you can do with your voice and I feel like when you hear a track like that is that that must it must be a fun challenge and obviously you conquered it but I guess my question is how do you figure your voice into something like that because you hit the chorus and your voice is huge in the chorus and then like your ad libs are sick but I just can't imagine hearing that in the track when you first heard it yeah I didn't I definitely didn't hear like a big vocal moment when I first heard the track I heard the talking verses and the sexiness but then as we started making it we were like we should chase like a kind of Britney vibe in the pre-choruses and then and then when it hit the chorus I one thing about me is when I'm in the studio I'm like where's my vocal moment like yeah 100% I want to have fun on the track but like where's my vocal moment because that's what people know me for and that's what I have fun singing so um that's yeah that's where 100% we're gonna take a break I think we have a pause we have a tea fire thank you we've blown in the tea and that's the tea and that's the tea and that's the tea what was working with our good friend our sister Leland Leland, Fred Mavaflan one of our besties, lovely Leland, the best, he's so talented and he's so fun that's the thing about working with all of the songwriters on this project um was we had such a great time in the studio every day was full of laughter and I think that you know translates onto the album like I mean obviously you're not going to listen to a song and laugh but you can tell that we had fun making it yeah and um and Leland opened up his studio to us and Laurel Vell, we know Laurel Vell, much goes down there which I've actually I he's opened it up many times like I just did a fan play back there I knew it I reckon yeah I think they're at Leland's yeah that weight scouting is familiar he's been wanting to do that for such a long time he's like I want to have like listening parties here and like big all the things I'm happy it happened me too it's cozy it's such a cute place but he's so talented and um I love working with him he does bring such a spirit of fun I think because like he works on like all these different kinds of projects like in film and TV especially with Drag Race where it's just like he's not afraid to be like whimsical and it to have like of course it's like if you're listening to it and it's like this is serious but then like I don't know even the way that you deliver the verse in that song and also kiss uh like you have to be stepping away from the mic sometimes being like I I'm giggling like it's you I was gonna say kiss you're giggling like we you might not laugh at the songs but I feel like you you are engineering these moments where we're listening at home going like whoa that was great like ha ha I'm laughing because like I do not expect that like this it's such a simple lyric I kiss for fun it's fun to kiss and guess what it is not that deep it's not that simple people that we run into out there and it's so it was so fun to sing I was having the time of my life in the studio I feel like you're able to make something like this you're able to make a a dancey poppy album like this in context to other albums where you have obviously gone deep and so therefore but if you're staying in the depth it's relative right if you're staying in that then it's not deep because it's just on one like dimension but if you're doing something fun it actually makes the other stuff more meaningful in retrospect right it makes this thing more meaningful right right yeah you and I share and bowen as well but like our number ones are kelly clarkson uh love kelly I feel like I was like I wonder when we asked her the culture question like what was the culture that made you say culture was for you if it would be kelly am I close I was gonna say american idol I was gonna say american idol that's so funny consider this the question so american idol like go how did it affect you like what was it about it that made you American idol made me dream it gave me a sense of hope and possibility that if kelly clarkson this girl from brilesson texas could make it on american idol and have people voting for her every week which I was one of them um if she could make it then I could yeah and it gave me hope and I had so much fun watching the show she's so talented and she was my first idol I yeah I really think she was my first idol it meant something extra that you were also in texas then at the time yes so like yeah it's like it's completely close to home where you're like literally like oh if she can do what I can do it yes exactly and it was people like and you were learning about music as you were watching it at home yeah this is like this week we're singing all songs from like gladus night and the peps and then like exactly where you learned about that I learned about gladus night through kelly clarkson on american idol god I think it must be so hard to be on one of those singing competition shows where you have to learn a new song every week yeah like it must be so challenging but she did that like she really did that and I'm sure most of the songs that she's saying she already knew or at least it felt that way yeah and um I just think she's amazing where you like writing your own songs like because like I think what kind of gets not lost but I feel like what people don't realize is that like you were writing your own CDs you were like selling them in your neighborhood when you were growing up I was you know that yeah oh that's so cute I love that it was in child star it was in your it was in your real life you directed it was like so charming it was like the whole family talking about like yeah demi would like sell her CD for ten dollars and I would I'd go around the neighborhood and I'd sell my CDs in order to like pay for vocal lessons pay for vocal lessons but also pay for the beauty pageants I was in because those were not cheap right and um but I worked really I've been working hard for a really long time even as a kid yeah yeah I think that's why it's so great to see you having so much fun with this and doing something that's clearly like I don't know I bet you can look back to when you started out on Disney channel or whatever and you if you sometimes I wish I could like reach back to my younger self and is like check out this thing you did from now you're like oh I'm having fun in the future yeah yeah like thank god yeah I mean I think that it's a combination of things I think it's the place where I'm at in my life today it's also the team I have around me the team that I have I've like it never feels like work like I did probably 11 interviews today and it didn't feel like work because in between interviews I'm joking and I'm laughing with my team who's so supportive and and they're fans of the work that I'm creating so it like it just feels it just feels so fulfilling and um yeah I was gonna ask and I texted him this morning I was like do you think it's okay if I asked any like about like what it's like working with you like like Brandon Creed yeah um I was like because I've gotten to know him through like just like hanging out with Ari or like hanging out with Charlie or something like he's just like I think he is and like whether or not I asked him because I was like I don't know if you feel okay being like a discussion point but I feel like he like is obviously getting his shine as a manager but I feel like he's doing something really special and focused with all of his clients I feel like I want to ask like what your relationship is with him because it feels like you guys are like unlocking something together it's so authentic but joyful but cool but like all of these things and still you and still you yes I think what's so great about working with Brandon is not only is he such an incredible manager he's killing it right now look at his roster I mean like every day he's posting something new from one of his artists and I'm like yes that's my manager go yeah and um but also working with him is he's given me so much insight and like um he's so brilliant and so you know he has led me in the right directions and he set me up with the right people who have helped me create such an incredible rollout for this project that feels different more different than anything I've ever created yeah and um I really have him to yeah the album cover was something I wasn't expecting because it's you like a little bit distant surrounded and I'm just thinking about like how it's a perfect album cover because it's like the center is like unmistakably you but there is a community there yeah you know what I mean like can you talk about the album art yes so the album art it was shot by Daniel Sachin and um it was actually we shot it on the day that I shot the fast music video sick oh by the way love thank you do you think so galvanized through the destruction thank you well we wanted to capture that on the album cover too yeah so there's all this chaos around me and it's no secret that I live this very public life I'm on display 24 seven and you know I'm naked on the album cover holding a dry cleaning bag and so it's showing me in a very vulnerable state but like unfazed by the chaos and um something also that's really nice is that there's the we heart our customers on the dry cleaning bag it's like that's an ode to my fans this album is for my fans we heart our customers we we heart our LeVonics we heart our customers title of and then lastly if there's one thing about me if there is a photo I will lock the fuck in yeah I locked in on that are we smiling or serving the family smiling or serving we're always serving do you ask yourself that in the beginning of the day for you like sometimes I wonder like you know how early does it start how early the photographs are being taken if there is a picture outside of my bedroom when I first wake up in the morning I will serve yes yeah you know what I think it's like glamour not yeah a little known fact that I was so gagged by when I was in high school was I was obsessed with desperate housewives and that's your little sister yes Madison who what uh little solis Juanita solis yes that is amazing yeah that should be known in culture I think like that's like demi sister yes yeah oh my god Madison yeah so cute this is showbiz showbiz royalty this family thank you yeah so like when you when you were like going up and like you see her on a huge show were you protective or were you supportive as like a mixture of both I think at the time I wish I had been a little bit more protective to be honest because that role was I think really challenging for her at such a young age and I think I had been distracted by my own stuff going on unfortunately and so I live with some regret in that aspect um but also there's only so much you can do as a 15 16 17 year old right you're not you're not like a hard and veteran of the business you're like starting out in your own way I was starting out too and my family and I were new to this industry and we just happened to both get opportunities that were really big for the both of us at the same time which happened to move us all out to LA and um yeah I think I do have a little bit of regret because I think it was a difficult role for her you know there was a lot of scrutiny in the show about her body and um and I hate that um but I think you know she's so strong and she's so amazing that she turned out so great and um you know I'm so proud of her she did incredible work on that show yeah she was very very memorable on it we all remember like the tussles that Gabby and Juanita would get into she was extremely talented like she's very galvanized in the scenes and they were yeah they were he bought the relationship Eva but I feel like it's this saying where I hope you don't carry that regret too heavily because it's like it's like it's like the airplane mask rule it's like you have to take care of yourself before you take care of yeah yeah yeah I think I have like an interesting perspective on it today like we talked about it in my child star documentary and she opened up and was vulnerable with me then and I think that in that moment that's when I realized the effect that the show had on her and um and so but I'm I've always been protective over her um she's my baby sister and she always will be yeah I mean just just be on the documentary of it all like not even not even just child star but I feel like the fact that you have gone through all of this um just development on yourself is so amazing because you you are one of the only pop girls who like is honest you're willing to go there like you you've done the work of like self-examining and not a lot of people do that publicly and like like like whenever people document like my struggles I'm like oh wait this is this is a little too much not even that it it doesn't even compare to you but I'm just like this is a weird feeling and I feel like the fact that you've been so brave in doing those things is like is incredible that's why people root for you thank you honestly I had a decision that had to be made when I had gone to treatment for the first time I had this very public outburst and um when I was 18 and which I talk about in some of my documentaries but clothe there's so many they're all amazing thank you we love the camera yes but it's because of this very thing it's because there is no bullshit with you right and in that moment my manager at the time asked me like do you want to be public with what you're going through or do you want to sweep it under the rug and not talk about it which you will have a right to both you don't have you don't owe anybody anything but I was like I didn't have a role model at 13 that was speaking up about eating disorders and I was like I need to be that role model for someone else like it was this responsibility that I was willing to take on because I wish that I could have had that growing up like there were older actresses that had come out and talked about talked about having an eating disorder but nobody that I could relate to at 13 yeah especially at the time when the beauty standards were you know very very dangerous um and so I wanted to be that for other people and that's kind of the catalyst for why I've been open about all of my struggles is in that moment when I made that decision it set the tone for the rest of my life of like you know I I want to help people and the best way that I know how is sharing my personal experience with them yeah I feel like especially also too when you talk earlier about like I sat down and like I couldn't even write angry or sad songs if I tried like this is the way I'm feeling I'm feeling happy you can even hear in your voice like just the way you choose which notes it's like incredibly emotional and like also very characterized like you can't lie in your music it feels like and the one of my favorite songs is in my head on the new album I can do everything oh yeah yeah yeah my husband wrote that song well yes he did brilliant like because it's like it's it's this incredibly like honest thing and also the way you've chosen the melody I could do anything on that like it's almost like you're like like arguing or someone or like kind of like rationalizing and it's in the melody line in a way that feels so honest so and then when on tell me you love me which is I think my favorite album of yours besides this one like the way you choose when to be powerful when to descend when to like have like a moment that trails off it's just it's all really rooted and I can tell like you listening to like the best singers the most honest emotional singers and so I think you didn't really have a choice but to be honest because yeah it's it's in your art I grew up singing to very soulful singers I grew up singing to Aretha and Whitney and Christina and Kelly and they all had soul in their voice and that's what drew me in as a child was like oh there's like depth there and I don't even think I was conscious of it but there was just something that made me feel what they were singing about so deeply that I was like that's just what I want to like that's the kind of vocalist I want to be yeah yeah do you have like an unsung hero American Idol contestant like someone from way back that you're like oh this person was somewhat like because Kelly obviously famously yeah but like I always look back and like it's so crazy what'll just jump out of my mind from that age when you remembered everything but like Trinnece from season two Kimberly Locke from season two like oh my god Kimberly Locke remember Aethwell Wonder that bop no oh my she released a single after it and actually is a bop we performed it at our culture awards two years ago oh my god amazing the year after we did cool for the summer at our culture awards yeah exactly that's the point okay but what were you gonna say Kimberly Locke I wasn't like it was really season one that did it for me yeah I like after season one I was like okay it's now I'm doing it yeah I was still young I still watched but it just didn't have the chokehold on me that Kelly season had but there were incredible vocalists on all of those seasons and there still are yeah that's the thing is like you check back again and now there's so many of them we take it for granted but like America's Got Talent has incredible people that come through the voice obviously sometimes I put on the voice and I'm like these I can't believe this is even a live vocal in this blind audition you know who has one of the best vocalists or one of the best vocals from American Idol period is Adam Lambert oh period he's not an unsung hero he's a hero yes but like his voice yeah is just insane yeah he is one that he's also one of the most expressive and he never even tried away from being camp I remember one time he's feeling good in a white suit and he like descended the stairs and he was so like he wasn't like out gay at the time because it was still weird at the time in the public but he was announcing himself so much and I remember the next day I went to school and some girls were talking about American Idol and I kind of like you know shuffled over and a couple of them were like yeah my mom didn't want to vote for him anymore after that performance and I was like wow how far we've come yeah that like so many artists can express themselves like however they want because he was on the biggest show in the world at that time with that crazy expressive voice so emotional and he also was himself yeah and made it really far from the get go exactly always himself didn't win and I wonder would he have won today five years ago today who knows yeah like maybe yeah maybe he was that brilliant no his voice is just it's unbelievable yeah yeah I was asking about the well I brought up the CDs earlier because there was a moment in Childstar that like really gave me pause where you know you were talking about playing these songs that you'd written for execs and they were like yes novel we're into and that kind of was let's put you up with these producers and songwriters which you know you you did with the plomb like you succeeded in that regard of like working with others as a collaborator great skill to have but that it chipped away like this confidence that you had this confidence that I had went out the window for a period of time and even today sometimes I'll go into the studio and I'm like is this a good idea or like and I rely on my co-writers a lot to say like you know do we need to fix this lyric or is it good and and they give me their opinions which is why I love co-writing like I love the collaboration of like having the input of other people and and having their brilliant ideas come to the surface because I really think if you want to create the best body of work that you possibly can like it's good to have feedback and but when I was 15 I went and played my my demo basically for my manager at the time and it was it was really unfortunate because he he he wasn't mean about it it just there wasn't like a positive reception on what I was writing it was like oh okay um but let's get you in the studio and I was like oh I've I used to be the type of artist that would sing and like play my guitar and sing until six in the morning like my dad would be getting up getting ready for work and would be like demmy go to bed stop singing and I would just be in my room and I'd be like you know a little manic but no you were in a fire you were you were you were creative exactly and um and I stopped doing it at that age and I started second guessing myself and I think it's something that has because that happened at such a young age it's still embedded in me a little bit like there is some self-doubt when it comes to my songwriting um not my vocals I know I'm that bitch with my vocals but like you know with the songwriting it was it definitely put self-doubt in my head which was kind of sad that is devastating to hear because it is something that like I don't know we relate to this on like a performance like comedy level obviously and like it's just this thing that like and like if you've read the artist's way like she talks all about like those first people who like snuff out that thing in you never forget are devastating and it's gonna take you a long time to get over it but I feel like I bring this up too because Brett Leland was telling us like oh demmy comes into the studio she's a fucking beast oh and like she knows what she wants she knows how to like construct a song she knows how to song write yes and like I hope that in making this album you've kind of like healed that I was gonna say that this album was really healing for that part of myself because there were days when I was in the studio and I I came up with the hook or I came up with this and this the concept of the song and like I really do have a vision and I had a vision with this album but there were also days where I'd come into the studio and be like I have no idea what to write about today let's just wing it and we come up with something great and like frequency there what that wasn't like a concept that I came into the studio with of like we need to write a song about this it was just the I matched the vibes of the track with the lyrics and we came up with something great so yeah I think it has been healing for me as like recognizing my worth as a songwriter has shown through on this project love it what about live are we hitting the road you don't have to reveal but you could there's nothing set in stone right the second but there's definitely playing we were we were talking earlier we were listening to it for the millionth time and people that were hearing it for the first time were like when is it going on tour it's like one of those yeah thanks it does feel a lot like um I remember we saw we saw the sweat tour at Madison Square Garden and it felt like the place was gonna flip over yeah I was like music like this that's like this type of sound and that type of space like you just can't recreate it anywhere no yeah like especially when you can like attach an amazing hook to it like you have and thank you it's gonna be really sick live I haven't toured in three years so it's time yeah and I definitely want to I miss seeing the reactions of my fans face it on their faces when I play their favorite songs and the emotions that they you know convey when they're sitting in the when they're standing in the audience and and I sing skyscraper and the tears flowing down their faces like I really do miss that connection yeah you know so many hits do you have one do you have one where you're like okay this one here we go and then by the end you're like yeah that one it used to be it used to be give your heart a break when I got back on stage I started playing it again for the first time um I would say like a couple years ago um I hadn't played it in so long because I was just like I'm tired of this song sure you're loud but and and you're allowed to change your live show and and play songs that you want to and take out songs that you don't but I when I performed that for the first time in years the reaction was so great that I was like wait I love this yeah you forget what it felt like yes because because then the element of like surprise and nostalgia kicks in and you're like oh my god I remember all the words to it it's formative it brings you back to a time when we when you were like you know and it's a crowd favorite so like I love seeing their reaction too yeah yeah I mean what do you think you're channeling while you sing let's just talk about like the vocals like do you do you feel something like pass through you I love it when like and it doesn't have to be true but I love it when when certain singers and vocalists are like oh no I'm like I'm connecting with something higher lower whatever or I'm like playing a character like is there is there anything qualitatively true about this when I'm in my flow stream yep absolutely there's something that comes over me and comes up with ad libs and new high notes that I didn't think about before when I recorded the album that like I can't explain but a lot of times I get into my head when I'm performing because I am such a perfectionist so like if I'm out of my head absolutely but when I'm in my head I'm not channeling so hard I mean it's so hard because I was gonna say like is there a way to translate that to like the songwriting experience which sounds like there was like you were like in these flow states in the studio coming up with the hooks yeah it's just the thing you can't force which is kind of a sucky thing but like the like the flow state is like the number one like thing that human beings chase the most across all cultures it's like this feeling of like losing track of time it reminds me of the movie soul oh yeah you know like that's what I chase with music and the second that it stops feeling like the movie soul I have to put a pause on it you know what I mean I have to reconnect with the music yeah that is an amazing movie that that is about that exact thing yeah I love that movie just about how music just kind of like is this like is like the the way that like our lives kind of like get constructed or like like they frame our lives in a certain yeah you know it's it's the most incredible thing that human beings are capable of doing and sharing I think is music like the way that you can just like that's to be Ernest McGee over here but like it's true like the way that I mean it really can change things it transcends lyrics like or language it transcends language like you don't I could be listening to a song that's in a different language but I can it'll make me weep if it's the right chords and the right emotion behind it you know what I'm saying and it's it's so beautiful how universal it is you have this moment on um let you go which is the synth after at the end of the chorus yes like dun-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn-inn the notes on my phone are just like, there's gotta be a thousand of them. And sometimes it's just like, da-na-na-na, da-na-na-na. And then like, that'll turn into a synth or it'll turn into a song. Like I'm not sure what it, but like sometimes I'll just come up with something like that and it'll be on a voice note on my phone. It just felt so intentional, that part of the song. It feels like one of those lines that you really remember. It feels very classic. Good. You know what I mean? That makes me happy. I think it's a little bit retro about the way that synth sounds to that sort of area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you say you had listening parties at, you've already had some of the fan experiences? Yes, I've had two fan playbacks. How were they? God, it was so much fun. It was so fun to see my fans like, they got up and danced, you know, and kiss on here all night on Fast. And then they really like took in the other songs and watching them take it in was, you know, it was really impactful for me because I made these songs from such a vulnerable place and here they are connecting with them and it's resonating with them. Like it makes it all worth it being that vulnerable in front of, you know, all these people. Like it just makes it worth it. And yeah, seeing their emotional reaction to it was awesome, but also like seeing them have so much fun was also amazing. Like I wonder like who it's more rewarding for. Like not that it's like, that it is more rewarding for one particular group, but it's like, it's just as rewarding for you and Zone and Leland and everyone who's worked on this album to see how people, like this is your first test audience, really. It's the first time you're seeing people respond to it. Yes. And it is telling you, it's a lot of information for you. Yes. You know what I mean? It's valuable for you. It's valuable for that. It's valuable for me because I get to see like, what are the fan favorites? What are the ones that they're gonna go crazy for at the show that I need to do something a little extra for? Yeah. And, or is there a song that I want to put out as a single because it's in demand with the fans? You know what I mean? It's like that information is very valuable to me as an artist. I, that's to be like the tell me you love me is to stay on here. But that album is, again, up until now my favorite, you and Jesse Williams in the video for tell me you love me. You were acting down and you forget your background in that. Like, thank you. I'm camera acting like you really could have like more presence than a venue do. Is that something that interests you because I like so insecure as an actress. Really? Yes. Because you were really great and dropped in. Thank you. I feel like I took a break for so long from acting that I'm like scared to get back into it. And I've had offers and I have acted. I did an independent film called Toe last year or yeah, last year and then it came out at Tribeca Film Festival this year. Amazing. And, and it was, it was fun. It was like, I dipped my toes. It was a small role. I dipped my toes back into acting and, and I had a lot of fun with it. And it was something that I think I want to do. But like, I just have to like, I don't know. I feel like I need to do acting lessons or something. It's the perfectionist thing again. Yes. Yeah. Are you, what's your sign? I'm a Leo. Okay. Yeah. Or Leo's perfectionist. I don't know about them as perfectionists. I was going to say it's like, it feels like a, like a Leo or like a Virgo, Jason or Leo thing. Okay. Do Virgo in your chart somewhere? I feel like this is just maybe I did my chart one time and then forgot it. No problem. It was easy to remember. Well, we're Pisces Scorpio, which is like easy for us to remember. Cause they're so. I know I'm a double Leo. Okay. So that's a lot of Leo. That's a lot of Leo. I got a lion on my hand to show for it. That's really beautiful. Thank you. Do you have a lot of tattoos? I do. Yeah. What's the mystery? I do. I do. Anyway, it was, I feel like I went so hard on tattoos at such a young age that I'm like, I wish I had been more selective with my tattoos, but there are ones that I really love. My most recent one was this says I love you more. It's my mom's handwriting. Oh my God. And my mom and I share the same thing. Oh, cute. Yeah. I love you more. Yeah. I love you more. It's so funny. My mom and I will be on the phone and like we'll go to hang up and right before someone hangs up, she'll go, I love you more. And then we have to say it. We can't say goodbye without. We have the acronym. L-U-L-M-M-M. Oh my God. And it's almost like a conversation can't really be over unless that's been typed. Yes. You know what I mean? You've got to find it with our thing. We're so close. My mom and I, I'm so close with my mom. She's such an angel. So yeah, I got that tattooed and that was my most recent one. Because I feel like your husband, your husband is tatted. He is tatted the fuck out. So that's fine. It's like, it's not like you have to convert to someone. No, it's just like. Had a had a little bit. I wish I'd thought more about it rather than getting all these impulsive tattoos that I did. Sure. Right. You know, do you have any? Well, maybe you won't want to share this, but are there any tattoos that like whenever you look at it, you're like, oh, it's a person. Um, I have one. Yeah. You're like, oh, that's never going to not remind me. I know I have one that's like that. And it is what it is. Is what it is. Yeah. Obviously, it's almost kind of nice because I remember I only have three small ones, but in preparing to get them. And probably you two is kind of like, OK, you're going to look at this forever. Like, are you going to regret it? It's weird. Like even the ones you regret, you think warmly about the time that you got. Yeah, like it was still a cool story behind the tattoo that I got. But do I wish I didn't get a matching tattoo with someone? Yes. You have to be sure about matching tattoos. Just for a little culture number 20. No, I think you have to be sure about matching tattoos, but I think you don't do it. I think it's like cursed. Yeah. The idea of matching tattoos. Yes, I don't I don't like matching tattoos. It's just like, I don't know because it binds you to someone. It's almost like a contract or because it's just like. I just feel like every time I like I've gotten two matching tattoos and it just didn't end up well. So I like rule of and then I've had like ex-boyfriends get my name on them and I didn't work out. I never were. And so I just feel like rule of thumb, like it's just not a good idea. OK, yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, like make it a law. We've been talking about getting a matching one. I think we can. We're just saying we shouldn't. I don't know. Maybe you do like a variation like like me and Matthew Scott, if me and Matthew Scott, my best friend, yes friend, yeah, who you guys know in a door. We are not Matthews. We are Matthews. If we were to get a matching tattoo, like we've talked about getting like a little bat or something for Halloween. Like if he got a bat, I would get a pumpkin. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like something a little like a variation where it's not like so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. But it really is your ride or die. I feel like he's he's been in every era, every era. Yeah, we are so close. I am obsessed with him. I don't know what I would do without him. He's my heart and soul. You need that person to like it's just like that you can be truly honest with. Yes, like we need to step away from a second, like even in a small community of people that I do trust, like you need your person. He is my person that like before Jordan and I got together, I would call in the middle of the night and be like, hey, I'm lonely. And like, you don't have to say anything back, but I just need to express like how sad I am right now. And he would be there for me in the middle of the night and be like, let's talk about it. And like that's the kind of friendship that everyone needs. I think you are so incredibly lucky to even have that thing because there it's not that I don't even love my sister, but it's like, I'm not going to bother now with this. Like we've all had these lonely moments at night where I'm like, yeah, well, you can. I know, I know, but it's like careful what you wish for girl. I'm wishing. Oh, my sister. But it's like that's that's a really hard thing to find. He's just mad because I used to call him years ago when I used to wait tables and I would I would get off my shift and we'd have a couple drinks after work and I'd call him to call me an Uber because I wouldn't download it on my phone. I didn't think it could download. So whenever he thinks of me and the concept of calling late at night, he's like, oh, he needs an Uber. He needs an Uber. That was a decade ago when I'm much more together now. We've all grown up. We're past it. I have I have a lot of amazing friends in my life, but I have. This core group of best friends. Yeah. And I mean, I could list them off, but they're just like they're I had so many bridesmaids in my wedding because I have so many close, close, close best friends. And that support is just like what gets me through life. Like I just I love my friends so much. That one was fucking chic. Thank you. Amazing. Thank you so much. Oh, my God. Didn't he look so handsome? Yeah. You got a good one. I do. And you look at how you like emanate. Oh, well, you've always had one of the best smiles. I'll never forget when I first saw you. My first thought was like, oh, my God, that girl's smile is incredible. I used to be really insecure about my smile. I used to joke that it eats my face because it's so big and it just like takes over. No, it's like it's such a it's like you really carry the light when you smile. You really do. I've learned to appreciate my smile because there were times where I wasn't smiling and that was sad. And now I'm like, you know what? Serving to. So it's hard because like, do you tell them about it? That's what I was talking about. I appreciate that. Of course. Yeah, I mean, that's that's, I guess, what's so great about like the phase of your career that you're in and what other people like other people that we've all watched for now going on like 20 years. And because we're like a little bit older than you, but still like that was like our generation of like, you know, personally watched on TV. And then transitioned into this new stage of the career. And I think like we do like as fans of yours, share like a knowledge of everything you've been through. And that's why it's like to see you having fun is like a huge gift. Because I always remembered that girl I first saw smiling. And so like it's just great to see you smile again about your husband and about this project. Yeah, because when I think of you, I think of a huge like smile. Thank you. Thank you. That's so sweet. Thank you so much. Love you too. This is a Lovatic podcast. This is getting on Lovatic. Wait, how do you feel about Lovatic? Because Ari is on record. I feel like Arionator is not something she decided. I didn't decide Lovatic. Well, of course. And I was like, where did that come from? It was kind of confusing to me. I was like, are you an addict or are you like an alcoholic? I don't. It's some sort of obsession. I've embraced it and I've learned to love it. But at first I was like, huh? It was also the beginning of like fan stand names. Yeah, kind of right. When everyone came up with it, I was like, I think I was like. I was in treatment and they were like, yeah, your fans are calling you Lovatic now. And I was like, wait, are they reading me? Are they reading you? Exactly. Is this coming from a nasty place? Because it's not the right time. It's not the right time. But I came out and everyone had like a stand name and I was assigned for it. And I was like, I'll take it. Whatever. Do you remember Kelly's? A Celebrity. No. It was bad. It was terrible. What? So this is how you know that like I was in deep because one day like on the Kelly Clarkson message boards, yes, I was a little gay child. Hi. Hi, my name is Matt. But they were like, we're Celebrities. This is the Celebrity group. And even me at the time who would have done anything. I was just like, I don't like this. I'm not going to hold up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Lovatic we can make peace with. I mean, is there really a good fan base name? The Navy is really chic. The Navy is a monsters. Monsters. That's good. Yeah, little monsters. You should put it to a vote. You should. For now, they're called Lovatics, but like everybody like, well, I don't know. I think like you guys, I'm going to give you options and then you guys come up with the right one. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think it would make a lot of people upset. Yeah. Listen, we adjusted to the name Lovatic years ago. We did. Everyone wanted to do it. Like what do you mean? No one said anything. We could have been called the, I don't know, what's a Navy thing? The force. The force. We keep adding. We keep adding. I'm like going too hard on military names. Sorry, everybody. You don't have to be Marines to like to solve them. You can be Lovatics. Okay. Well, I think I might be talking for you. Speaking of tea and you're going to need it because we're going to transition into I don't think so, honey. This is our 60 second segment on this podcast where we take something in culture that bugs us, that bothers us and more. And we absolutely let it rip. I have something. It's the season and I'm starting to see something pop up again and I want to put it to bed right now. Okay. You have your phone on here. So I think you should time all the time. Okay. So this is what you said. You say the key. Yeah. I don't think so. Honey, as time starts now, I don't think so. Honey, anyone making fun of me for pumpkin spice? Oh, come on. Ten years late on this read. Okay. Basic girls drink pumpkin spice thing happened already. Now you sound basic. I am still here. I'm still queer. I'm still the one. I've always been a pumpkin spice person. And yes, I do get it in a frat. And I know that makes it more basic, but I don't think so. Honey, your comments penetrating me. Rubber glue, babe. I don't think so, honey. Anyone telling me anything about the pumpkin spice, whether it comes in the form of coffee, whether it comes in the form of muffin, it honestly is the best flavor. Come for me. Apple cinnamon beats it. Apple cinnamon beats it. Blueberry get lost. Oh, I'm sorry. But this choke on that blueberry flavor has on, you know, culture. No, it is about pumpkin spice. And I think we fucked up by making it seasonal. It should be all year round. Then it would be a main thing. I mean, I wouldn't have this nightmare of every season. Oh, here come the basic pumpkin spice girlies again. Yeah, here I am. And I don't think so. And that's one minute. Oh my God, that was so good. How do I follow that? You do it in your own way. Oh my God. I'm intimidated now. Don't be, don't be. But do you know what? Are you a pumpkin spice person? Yes. Come on. Come on. Something that has only been able, the only thing that's been able to save SNL writers some nights when we write on Tuesdays a fucking pumpkin spice frappuccino. Yeah, come on. Yeah. It makes you happy. The endorphins are soaring when you're drinking one of those. Yes. It's delicious. It's delicious. It's so good. Everybody, everybody cut it out. And I just, it's like, you know, we just got our little first nip of fall and already like people taking their stories like it's the first time anyone's ever said this. No. I'm like, I'm true to this. How quickly we forget. You're not new to this. You're true to this. No, I've been out here out and proud and I'm sorry, but I still stay out. Okay, you ready? I am ready. Okay, this is Bon Yeng's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. We didn't have a song of the summers when fast by Demi Lovato was right fucking there in the eye line. How dare you? She's giving you incredible visuals, vocals and completely serving cunt while chaos is around her. Explosions and more. You were being fed a feast that was nutritious, ethically main, gorgeously performed and still you're like pushing your plate away going, I don't know, we didn't get served dinner tonight. 30 seconds. You were giving something so premium and now that it's the fall and now that this album, it's not that deep is coming out. This is your second chance at redeeming your little mind and understanding that you've been given something incredible. 15 seconds. 15 seconds. Dream it now, October 24th or whenever this comes out, do it today. I'm telling you, you won't regret it. It's got banger after banger and it ends in one private battle that ties the whole album sonically together and we are so lucky to have Demi Lovato here on our podcast. That's one minute. Yes. That was amazing and also that was mine. What? I know. I know. Do your version. Do your version. Okay, are you ready? Yes. This is Demi Lovato's. I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. So honey, there's no song of the summer. What are you talking about? Not only did I release fast, thank you very much, but there's so many incredible songs that came out this summer with all the pop girlies having their moments. I mean, you've got Adele. Adele! Oh, I stand so hard. You've got Gaga, you've got Sabrina, you've got Tate McCray, you've got Kesha, you've got Kim Petras, you've got Pink Pantheras, you've got all of these incredible, incredible artists and that's just like the tip of the iceberg. I could keep going about how incredible these pop girlies are and so inspiring to me, but what do you, I think there's, you get stuck on, everyone has brain rot now and they can't think past the 30 second TikTok mark, which I totally relate. I'm on TikTok too. Five seconds. There was songs of the summer and if you are looking for one, just stream fast. Yes! That was so honey. That is Demi Lovato tearing it up. So mine was about other pop girlies. I was going to say like, oh my God, you, now you lifting up all these girlies, like that's so special and beautiful. Well, they deserve their shine. Yes. Also, you know what, like fast, incredible, like man child, incredible, like no one really talked about No Broke Boys as the song of the summer. Oh, it was so good. Like, and you, even like when people online make those lists of like, here's everything it could have been. And it's like this, this list, it's like No Broke Boys isn't even on any of that. I'm like, did it come out too soon? Because it came out, yeah. It technically came out on T'Natchi's album last year, which maybe people are like, but there's no cut off. There's no cut off. There's no cut off. There's no cut off. Cool for the summer came back 10 years later with a vengeance. Yeah, here we go. I was playing the sped up version too. I was giving you streams. And people loved it. So like, there's no time limit on this stuff. No. I have had like one. Are you like aware that Sorry Not Sorry is the best drag race lip sync of all time? Like no contest. Yes, I'm aware. I'm fully aware. I gagged. Yeah, just like the way that they were tearing themselves apart. It was so fucking good. Yeah. And then they ended up being the top two. Right. But it's like they they're not able to do that unless you supply the vocal. Thank you. You're motivating them to fucking do that. I still go back and watch that performance as you should. I mean, let's just say this. A lot of my friends are looking forward to my drag performance of here all night based on what I do in peace house. Yes. Because it is like. What I was like, I was like running and going and then like I have to see it. One of these days. One of these days. Please. Again, just some look that references or does not reference. Who knows. But like, yeah, no, that song is like it's built into the track and I'm like, I was looking at so Brett played it for us. We were working on a word show and he's producing songs for it. He was like, I can play you the single that I think is going to be the single. I wasn't decided yet, but I can play it for you guys once we're like, sure. And so listening to it, I was just like, you really gave the Queen something to chew on here. Thank you. So much like movement in it and energy into it and like stings that make it fun to perform. Yes. It's so fun to sing. Like I can't wait to perform that one live. Yeah. I now I'm excited about that because you have not performed it live yet. No, it's fresh out. See, it's weird because like we've had the album now for several weeks. So already I'm like off book on a lot. Yeah. Oh, good. I know that we know the words. It's it's it's been in the rotation. I love that. Thank you. Kiss is going to be a monster. I'm so excited about kiss. That has to be a single, right? Well, well, wait and find out. I never know. I never know because like sometimes it's like, at least it used to be in the old days. Maybe you you agree as being one of the girls. Like it felt like if you put out two singles that were really up tempo, the third one like had to give more of like introspective, valid moment, especially when you're you and can serve that. Thank you. It's I guess you don't feel the hold of the next single when we're off the air. And I want to hear your thoughts behind that. It could be so many things. Thank you. I'm so excited. Yeah. I think I have my my next single planned, but there's also a moment for what the fans really want. And we're trying to like figure out what that looks like. Yeah. So we'll see. It's good that you're not being rigid about it then. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm really not. Have you has that ever happened in the past like where one song because I have to tell you I put on my story the other day, just tell me you love me. I was like this album like revisited just because I was revisiting it. The number of people that responded being like daddy issues. Oh, my God. Yes, that song has its grips in people even all these years later. Like have have the fans response ever fully dictated a single choice? Yes. Yes, that's happened. Yes. I would say. Like give your heart a break. Really? That one too. Like I I didn't actually want to release that as a single. I was like it's a cute pop song, but like I don't know that I want to go and promote. Give your heart a break as like my single. Like you have to do it all the time. You have to do it all the time. And I was like, I don't know that I feel super strongly about this, but the fan reaction was really great. And so we were like, let's try it. And it ended up being my first like big radio song. So I'm really glad that I went with that one. Sometimes it's worth it to listen to, I guess, what a lot of people who are ostensibly going to be the people listening are saying. Yeah. But daddy is just though, I mean, no one's ever willed. No one's ever wailed on the word therapy. Yeah. I think that's the same thing. About I have to go back and listen to it. I haven't heard it in so long. You'll be proud of yourself. Thank you. It really was. It's like you don't expect it to go there either. And so when it does, you're kind of like, is that thing we said earlier of like, I'm laughing because I didn't expect that to be the hit. But also like, yeah, real, real. Yeah. Yeah. Thank we all have them. We got them. This has been a spectacular episode. It's over. It's over. No. You technically have to go at six and now we're at six and 15. You're going to watch what happens live, right? I am. That's going to be funny. We have the tops on like steady. We have to stay for 10. OK, OK. Quick thoughts, quick, quick, quick thoughts. I hope some dreams go into the scene. We haven't tonight as of this recording, this new season will be airing. Have been out. We'll have been out, but we have not seen them yet. What do you what do you what do you think? Survive on the ladies. I I love all of them. Yes, I have my opinions about all of them. Of course. Do you keep them to close to the chest? I keep them close to my chest. I don't want to be mean, but like we have opinions. Yeah, of course we do. They're they're, you know, present. Yes. But I will say that I met Meredith Marks at the paper magazine party. Yes. She was so fab. Yeah, she is gorgeous. She's a friend of the show. Yeah. Love her. Yeah. And I'm meeting Angie Kay tonight, which I'm so excited. You have to tell Angie that you were with us today. I will. Because actually her first watch for Dappin's Life was on with her. Oh, OK. It was a really special moment because she was so nervous and I was just there to like, yeah, just kind of like calm her down. And like, I think we've formed like a lifelong connection. She's so happy. You were my first time. She's going to be so excited to you. I'm so excited. I feel like I hope she's wearing her sunglasses. Yes. Yes. I think it's a high probability that she'll be wearing something amazing. Incredible. Yeah. But it's tough to be both an Angie stand and a Meredith stand because you know, I really like these are. But those are the reason those two work as like rivals is because they're just equally beloved and you are just kind of like they're both iconic. But I feel like no matter who's fighting, like I have a different favorite every week. Sure. You know what I'm saying? Like it changes. Yeah. You know what I mean? And they're and they're all fighting with each other. I mean, it's like five episodes in a row. I'll be like, I'm Whitney Rose. I'm writing so hard for Whitney Rose. And then there'll be a six episode like Whitney Rose. You can see another next episode will be like, Whitney Rose. Lover. Lover. You'll see now that you because we've met them a few times because we're on the same stuff, like often with the Bravo and everything. Yes, they're amazing. Once you meet them, it becomes incredibly hard to form like a critical opinion of them. That's what I'm saying. That's my friend. Yes. Yeah. Like now I feel like I'm going to have this connection to them. And I can't say my opinions that I may have had when I first watched the show. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm that's why I don't want to like say any of my opinions that I had because I don't you know what I mean? I'm sure Andy's going to ask you about them tonight. He will. And I don't know what you're saying. I'm so nervous. I think they also understand that they're like they're they're being put on the spot and like we don't hold it against them. I've said things in the past about certain housewives who like have since been like, oh, totally, it's fine. Like I get it. We're on a TV show. Yeah. I mean, so that's all good. I mean, it was like the start of a beautiful relationship we now have with Lisa Rina. Oh, one time we were on Watch What Happens Live and they were asking about Rina and I was just like, I wish she wouldn't do this, this, this. And she got in the DMs and she was like, hey, I didn't like that comment. And I was like, Lisa, I only made it because I feel like I know you per socially. And I apologize. You are right. I was out of line, etc. She came to our cultural awards crush now our friends. She's been on the show. Oh, that's amazing. That's great. So it had a happy ending. OK, good. Thank you for staying these extra few minutes. Just to get out. So like, yes, yes, yes, you need to you need to get married at the same. You Brooks Marks. Oh my God, I need a track suit. It's everything I need a track suit. I met Brooks, too. He was so sweet. Yeah, he's great. But that track suit is comfy. Yeah. And for my gay guys out there, it like lifts and it like it like gives you like it's really it looks good in your ass. Just saying. Brooks Marks knows something. I guess that'll be my last thought. I'm a demon. I don't know what to say. We love you. Congratulations. Love you too. Thank you for having me. This was so fun. The biggest fans. We end every episode with a song. The song of the summer. I want to go fast. I want to go hard. I want to go anywhere, anywhere you are. And if you want to hear that song much better, scream the album. Emma Single. Go forth. Bye. Bye. Thank you.