Best of NBA News Part 2: Shannon Sharpe GOES OFF on BROKE Gambler talking CRAZY to Russell Westbrook's WIFE, Cooper Flagg's CEILING as the Mavericks’ FRANCHISE player!

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Kansas freshman Darren Peterson breaks his silence on missed games for Kansas this season. He said everybody got an opinion on it, but basketball is my life. If I could have been out there every game this year, I would have. If you would have asked me last year what my goals were for this year, I would have never mentioned missing games. So all this stuff kind of just happened, but I've got to deal with it. Bill Self has a different opinion on Peterson not playing, saying he hasn't finished games. The bottom line is there's a way to change the narrative. Play, finish. That's the way you get people to quit talking. Yeah. Peterson has only played 16 of the Jayhawks' 27 games this season. Peterson never mentioned subbing himself out during the Oklahoma State game. Joe, is he too much of a liability to be taking number one overall? Are they going to disregard the red flags because he is so immensely talented? It's alarming, Uncle Ocho. It's alarming if you ask me. It's a lot of basketball left to play, but it's going to be tough for him to go number one, man, considering if this continues, if he can't finish out the season or he continue to miss games, continue to only play a first half, like, yes, man, teams are not going to bank on that. Like I said, You can't even play 30 games in college. How are you going to play 82 in the NBA? Like, you know what I'm saying? So you can't be surprised. So, and the fact that the draft is so deep, man, it's other guys that's worthy of that number one pick if y'all just want me to be 100. And that's the, here's the thing, Ocho. You want the nice, pretty car or you want the one that's not as pretty but more reliable? Liable. Because the nice, pretty one might put your ass down side the road. it might not even crank to get your ass to work. But you know that reliable one. Ain't nobody going to beat you in the eye. Ain't nobody going to be jumping up when you pull up. But guess what? You're going to be where you're supposed to be on time. Mr. Peterson hurt though, Joe? I think he's been dealing with, like they say, cramps or things of that sort. I don't really know why he's been coming out of games or why he hasn't been playing. I can't even answer that, Ocho. But, you know, the fact that his coach comes out and says that he don't even know why, then yeah. At this point, we just kind of got to let it play out. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. When your coach ain't got your back and he has no reason to understand why you're doing it, that's going to be tough. But y'all told me he was the best thing coming out, so. I mean, but here's the thing. I mean, DeBonza is just as good. And guess what? BYU? Yeah. Okay. And he reliable. He going to play. Cameron Boozer. You know, hey, you know the stock that you know is dad. So you know he good stock. And he doing it. Double, double. Walking double, double. Right. Yeah. It's some guys worthy that number one pick, man. Yeah, absolutely. He's not no LeBron. He's not no Zion. He's not that head and heels over everybody else. Right. That you're like, I don't give a damn what he did. Right. I'm taking it. Right. He's not that. Nah. Okay. And like I say, y'all know March Madness, obviously. It's right here around the corner. So there's still a lot of ball left to play. And these guys are going to be jockeying for position. They all going to be jockeying for their number one spot. If y'all ask me personally, I like A.J. DeBasca, man. I like Ocho. I've seen him in person. The boy is 6'9". He loves to play the game. And his attributes in making guys around him better, shooting a three, going off the dribble. He has a professional game right now to this day. Like, when you watch him play, you can see him in the pros dominate. Right. Yeah. Almost had a triple-double the other night. Look, I love the talent, but, man, it's just – and I think now, Ochoa, you know this, it's getting harder and harder for teams to ignore red flags because when they pop back up, people say, see, you saw all the signs. Yeah. You saw every last one of the signs. and you ignored it. And all he's doing, what he's always done. What he's done, yeah. So you shouldn't be surprised that he's doing in the NBA what he's done in college because that's what he knows. Absolutely, absolutely. So it's going to be interesting. Ben Simmons says he's not sure Darren Peterson would go number one anymore. It's giving him Ben Simmons flashback. He believes A.J. DeBonza is a safer pick. Jay Biller said shutting it down would be easy way to go. And the NBA would take him number one. Trying to play is what's causing these speculative issues about his character. I don't find it fair. But the problem is if you're hurt, sit down. Because if you go out there and you play 10 minutes, 15 minutes, Ocho, Joe, you know what's going to happen. Yeah. Not when they deem you to be, you know, the number one pick. Right. It's just not, it's distasteful for a lot of people who love watching the game of basketball. And the people who projected him to be a number one pick, to just see him for 10, 15 minutes. Yeah, you better off not playing versus just going out there playing 10, 15, 20 minutes. Yeah. I agree. Hey, I seen what Dick Vitale was saying that he thought Kansas would probably be a little better without him. Okay, Ocho. because they've been playing good basketball. Yeah, because I don't know what I'm going to get. The in and out of the lineup, I think I got, okay, I'm playing. I'm playing, and then guess what? He goes out. Now I don't have him. When I was counting on having him at least 30 to 35 minutes, now I get him for 20 minutes. What am I supposed to do with that? And a lot of the offense is built around him. Yeah, yeah. And it's tough because when he's not playing, They got other guys who fill in, step up, play great. They still win games. And then when he comes back, you know, it's kind of everything about Peterson. So, you know, it kind of rubbed guys the wrong way. You know, y'all can kind of imagine what that's like. Damn. Yeah. But people better get a ride and say, look here, son. If you hurt, shut it down. Hey, Joe, this how I'm going to do you, Joe. Here you go. Here you go. Hey, Joe, I'm going to bring it here and come on back home, boy. Come on, Unc. Unc. Unc, I'm going to have Joe ass on skates out there, boy. Unc, what's wrong with him? That's old Joe. Pat Riley says he wishes NBA coaches still wore suits and ties. I think when the fans look over there on the sidelines, they want to see someone that looks like a leader. Joe, what are your take on this? Hey, that's that old school right there, boy. Pat old school. They buy the book. You know, I understand where he's coming from, but in today's world, man, everybody wants comfort. They let these coaches, they let players get away with just, you know, walking around being comfort. The dress code is not enforced how it used to be on Kyle Joe. You know what I mean? Now guys have took fashion to a whole entirely another level. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They branding now. Yeah. And you don't see no coaches in suit and ties. There don't be no coaches in suit. Man, we trying to sell merchandise. We ain't trying to sell no damn suits. I wish you would bring your ass. Ocho, we marketed this stuff. You see the gear that they got on? We didn't sell that. We don't sell no suits. We don't work for Louis Vuitton and Giorgio Armani or Hugo Boss. Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know what? I'm not sure what's wrong with Pat. I continue to hear the stories about how he's still old school. Sometimes I want to believe it. sometimes I don't, but hearing it from you guys, hearing it from former players, now hearing it, this, you know, coach is back in suits in 2026 on the sideline. Like, I mean, I'm not sure. Pat is disconnected. He's disconnected from reality. He's disconnected to how much the game has evolved. It's not the 80s. It's not the 90s. But what can I say? Do you know how much of that gear, how much gear they sell? They weren't selling merchandise, Ocho, back then. Back then. A lot of coaches, Coach Reeves, excuse me, Coach Landry, there are a lot of coaches that used to wear suits on the sidelines. But there's something called this merchandise. Hey, they sell stuff. Why do you think they have that pink? They have Mental Health Month and they have breast cancer service and they have breast cancer awareness. They sell that stuff. Yeah, that's why the coaches wear it. Oh, kids see that like, I want that hoodie. I want that sweat. That coach has on. Yes. You think the NFL finna let these coaches You wear suits on the sideline? Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. They used to, hold on. They, I remember when they cut out, you had to wear sweats and stuff, but you had to wear team issue stuff on the sideline. Yeah. Because before you guys come out there with their jeans on, they'd be all night in silk shirts and gold and jewelry flasks. Yeah. Hold on. So NFL coaches used to wear suits? Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And he was a coach from the Chiefs. Every time, from the Chiefs back in the day, he always had on the suit. Uh-huh. Hank Stram. Yeah, yeah. Always screaming at somebody. No, no. It would have been in the summer from like September until it got cold. But Coach Reed would have a sweater vest on up on the upper end of his jacket. Coach Reed, yeah. But no, it's a different time now, and they're not going back. And these players are brands now. They're trying to get the most fashionable thing. They're coming in there with Goyard bags, and they got Burke, and, you know, Hermes, and they got this, and they got their outfits on. Shea and everybody trying to get the GQ top, the most fashionable NFL player, the most fashionable NBA player. It's a difference. It ain't going back. These guys, I mean, Joe, you remember, you couldn't even buy no tees. I know. All the tall tees, Allen Adams and them ball. Bro, you need to ask the line. What you doing with a 4X, 5X tee, bro? Hey, it's because nowadays, coming to the games, Uncle Ocho, that's a runway. Oh, yeah. Yes. They take a picture. But I'm going to tell y'all something. The guys in the NBA, NFL, they be killing it. I like to see it on Sundays and on game days, basketball. But the women? They be cutting up. The women be shutting it down, boy. Oh, they be shutting it down. They be cutting up. The women be shutting it down, Uncle Ocho. They got Jokic and Luka, who used to wear sweats, Nugget sweats and Maverick sweats, to the game. And now they suited and booted. So you know it's a wrap now. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I would have loved to play in today's game, boy. Yeah, you'd been showing out coming to the game, wouldn't you? Man, what? I can see you come in with some alpaca on. I can see you. Hey, Joe. I ain't even, boy, Joe. I wouldn't play with them, boy. Hey, these boys do their thing when it comes to fashion. I'm not going to lie. Hey, they be doing it. They do their thing. But Joe, man, listen, boy. Ocho, you know how many outfits they got to have? 18. 17, that's it. Ocho, they got to have 82. I ain't worried. I ain't talking about basketball. I'm talking about football. I'm talking about football. They make the playoffs. I mean, look at Shea. Shea be having a garage sale every year. He let his teammates come. Y'all pick whatever y'all want because this stuff got to go because they ain't going to be seen. I mean, damn I mean, think about it, Ocho Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument They don't really see us, they get us going Unless we go to, we do something good Or somebody talk to us Now they're starting to get us walking into the stadium They didn't used to get your black ass walking into the stadium Right, right, right, right Hey, listen, I seen Check I seen Check over there getting some outfits from Shea I'm like, how the hell Check gonna fit some of this stuff Yeah I'm like, man. But yeah, these young men, now they doing their thing. And hey, I'm here for it. Yeah. Hey, Joe, you see our girl last, the other night, Chelsea? Louie. You see her 38? Which one you talking about? Chelsea Gray. She hit 10-3 the other night. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She don't play, huh? Yeah, she don't. She won the one-on-one. Yeah. No, she was hotter than a bag. harder than four foxes in the forest fire. Oh, yeah. Hey, Ocho, you ain't never been to that Unrivaled? It's in Miami. Oh, it was here? Oh, man. It was? Yeah, yeah, it is. I'm saying. Nobody told me about it, Joe. Where they were having it at? It's still going on. I don't know. Where is that? Where they having that over there? Not with the heat play out, no? Nah, uh-uh. It's like a... You know what I like about it? It's like a fun, intimate setting. It's three-on-three basketball, but it's full court. Where is that? I don't know. It's somewhere in Miami, Ocho. I don't know exactly where it was at. Yeah, I didn't even know about that. I would have went by there and checked it out. Hey, them girls getting down out there, man. Man. Oh, so is girls and guys playing or just girls? Nah, it's just girls. Cream of the crop. Yeah, okay. Hey, Chelsea putting that work in. Oh, yeah. She ain't messing around. Yeah, she ain't messing around. Hey, Joe, did you see a shimmy? She bounced the ball. I said, come on, Chep. She got some wiggle with her. Yeah, man. They asked her to say, when you went in half, you had made eight threes. She said, what were you thinking in half? She's like, shoot that itch. Man, she like that. She like that for real, man. I seen her. She came, she play in the league, the AABL league that they have out here for women's in Atlanta. They have it out here. She be out here playing in it. She be out here getting money out here. That's dope. Yeah. Yeah. So, Coach, Coach, they wear it. The NBA, Roger Goodell ain't going to allow that to happen. And Adam Silver ain't going to allow that to happen. They sell too much merchandise, Ocho. Yeah. They're not going back to that. Right. Hey, you see that sweatsuit that the guys had on All-Star weekend? Yes. You see they sold out once they started selling? They sold out as soon as they put it up for sale. Yeah, yeah. That's what they're about, bro. It was nice. Yes. Oh, yeah. You know who be clean coaches or managers? Who was that? Soccer. On the sidelines? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they do. They be kicked out. Hey, them Italian teams? Oh, yeah. They different. Oh, my man. Hey. They different. Joe, they be suited and booted on that sideline, boy. The managers, they be clean. Why you think every year, Ocho, what they do? Every team got three, four, five jersey combinations. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. So guess what? The kid's like, I want it. Right. Bro, you already got four jerseys. You got four Chase jerseys. Oh I want the color rush Yeah I want the all Yeah And then funny another thing when it comes to soccer or football as most will say every season it a different jersey Yeah. Yes. It's a different jersey every season and it's either three kits or sometimes even a fourth. Yeah. And the NFL go to that too. You look at all the combos. It used to be, you have two jerseys. You had a road jersey, you had a home jersey. Home jersey, that's it. And the white jersey, for the most part, the white jersey was on the road, the dark jersey was at home. man now they got three home jerseys three white jerseys don't forget the pants too now they got all kinds of different colored pants and all hey look you wish you was playing back in this day what man that all white with the bangles with that all white with the white helmet oh man every time I turn around I'm like damn y'all like Oregon out there y'all got a different helmet damn near every week because you know at first thought your dad stopped you, you wouldn't let you change helmets because they wanted just, you have one helmet because they said they thought but now they're like, hey, baby, we're making too much money. Y'all can wear a different helmet every day if you want to. Just keep the money flowing. Keep the money flowing. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. 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Okay, Ocho. I mean, he's shown superstar potential. Obviously, J.K. playing him at the point, him probably learning that position at this point in time in the pros, it's definitely going to help him down the long run. He's the prototypical NBA guy, 6'9", 6'10", who can handle the ball, shoot the three, create off the dribble, post up, make guys around him better. He got the potential to be one of the greats. He got potential. I agree. I think he has a chance to be special. Like you said, he got the body size. He can put the ball on the floor. He can shoot the ball. You know what, Joe? when I saw that man against the Redeem team or whatever they call themselves, and they was at the fight, they was in Vegas, and that man was dunking, that man was dunking, and that man was putting the ball on the floor against AD and all them guys, I said, oh, this man ain't scared of nothing. This man ain't scared of nothing. Yeah, and if he ain't for 18 now, he was 16 then, wasn't he? How old is he? 19 now? So he's about 17, 17, 18? Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I think he surprised a lot of people with that too, because he was showing me some skills that he had and who he was going up against obviously was the elite talent of the NBA. And he held his own. He held his own. And from that point, you know, he's been dubbed as one of the next ones up. In 2024, he was 17, right? Yeah. Ten straight wins for the first time since 2015-16. They beat Orlando 112-103. They beat OKC 116-106. They beat Dallas 135-123. They beat Dallas again, 138-125. They beat the Lakers, 136-108. Golden State, 126-113. Phoenix, 121-94. Sacramento, 139-122. They beat Detroit, 114-103. And tonight, they beat Toronto, 110-107. The Spurs are now within two games of the Thunder, first to the West. The Spurs have won 15 of their last 18. Yeah. Hey, they balling, boy. And look, they had six guys in double figures tonight. And Fox led the way. But the one thing about when I look at this Spurs team, obviously Wimby anchors a lot. He had five blocks, Uncle Ocho. But he don't necessarily have to put on a stellar performance offensively for them to win. They got so many other guys who can chip in and put up numbers. All he got to do is anchor the defense. We got the rest. And that's what's been going on as of late, man. They've been playing great ball. They on the road smacking teams. And, man, look here. The man blocking shots don't even lead the floor. How you block somebody don't even jump? Come on, Joe Badd. It's almost unfair. It is, bro. It is. It's almost unfair. Because we never seen nothing like it. You know, his size, the way he move, moving like a guard. Like it's insane to even watch I'm going to be honest with you And Wimby, he didn't have They shot 47%, they made some 3 They were 17-39 from the 3 But you look at Champagny He had 10 Wimby had 12 Fox had 20 Vassell Is it Vassell or Vassell? Vassell Is it Vassell? 21 Stephon Castle had 13 Dylan Harper had 15. So. Yeah. But why you talking? Vassell has been consistent over the past, I don't know, few weeks when I've been really watching him. He's been getting off. He's been getting off. Yeah. They did a job. I mean, you shoot 50% against San Antonio, you done something. Man. Because you better be making some outside shots because you ain't going to be making or getting a whole damn layup because Wemby on the race and all that. Hey, he going to make you think about it. Even when you do come in there. Yeah. He going to definitely make you think about it. He nice. But they do it by committee, Uncle Ojo. Yeah. A bunch of different guys, bro. A bunch of different guys. And anybody played a whole bunch of minutes. I mean, the most minutes we played of Vassal and Fox played 30. Wimby played, excuse me, Fox played 31. Wimby played 30. But you had a bunch of 21s, 14s. The starters, only, Castle only went 13 minutes. or I'm wondering if he, excuse me, only went 28 minutes. Yeah. I'm wondering if he got Nick. They deep, man. They deep. They deep. I mean, you look at Harrison Barnes coming off the bench. I like Connett, who was with Boston, the big dude. Yeah. So they got some guys who. He's the, isn't he a spur? When you look at it, Kelly Odenick. Yeah, he is. When you look at him and Kelly Odenick, When they had Yaka Pearl and they had, what's the guy? He's the head coach of Portland now. Yeah, Splinter. Splinter, yeah. They're the perfect guys. When they had Bonner. Yep. Yeah, so. They going, hey, if, depending on how long Shea going to be out, they might catch him. Even if they don't, they don't want to see San Antonio in the postseason. Unless they have to face him in the conference final. I want somebody to knock them out so I don't have to deal with them. Because Wimby's a problem. You're right. Wimby's a problem. You're right, but it's going to be tough beating them in the seven-game series. We. So it's on the map. Ishpa. wants more NBA stars to participate in All-Star Weekend, Joe, when Phoenix hosts the Miss Seasons Showcase next year. To help, Ishva has offered to pay $1 million prize to the winners of the 2027 Slam Dunk and three-point contest, with another million going to the charity in each event. The concept, however, will run afoul with the CBA. Officials of the league office said the Players Union told ESPN such prize would not conform with existing bonus structure. Ishpah did not consult the league office before making an offer, but he's motivated to find a way to get stars to participate in the event. I think the stars have been participating in the three-point competition. Hell, you get Stam, you get Dane, you get Book. I mean, you get Donovan Mitchell. You had Clay Thompson. Some of those guys have participated. It's just the dunk contest is that the stars don't participate anymore. And that's what everybody want to see, Uncle Joe. That's what I said last time we talked about it. They have to find a way to incentivize these fellas, even though they're making 50, 60, 70 million dollars, make it worth a while. That's the only way to get players that are elitist what they do that are making the most money to get them to do something. A nice little chunk of change, you know, to have some fun with, do whatever you want to do. Wait, let me go out here and get this extra, you know, two, three million. What? Win this contest. Be creative, you know, and then go about my business. They're making too much. You ain't doing it? You wouldn't do it? No, I don't think the guy, I don't think motivation is the issue. I don't think them guys, look, if Jordan could do it for 25,000, you think these guys, and Jordan making $2 million. If you think these guys is making 40, 50, 60 million dollars a year, going to be motivated to 2 million, you mistaken. They are a little spoiled. They're not doing it. But they complaining about playing 82 games, making 70 million. Right. Them guys, they're unmoved with money. But, hey, listen, but with it being incentivized like this, I think we'll have some guys who probably we didn't expect. I think guys will step up. I mean, obviously, three-point shootout is already, where is that? That's already interesting. But, yeah, I think for a million dollars, Ant-Man making 50 million. So what's a million dollars do to him? Hey, Joe, that's, I mean, listen, it's not insulting. It's a lot of money. So I don't want anybody in the chat to say, you know, is it me? We're talking about in comparison to what NBA players are already making. Now, we're at the All-Star break. And, listen, I have a chance to make a good chunk of change to do some extra with. You know what? I don't have to touch my salary money. I don't have to touch my endorsement money. This is something just a little fun. I can get I give to my girl. I give to my wife. Oh, I can put up with the kids, whatever. They make it 20 million. They make it 30 million endorsement. They're not moving for a million dollars. Oh, Joe, you. That's that's what I just said. That's that's insulting. Yeah, that's that's that's almost insulting. You got to come up with a better number. They're not good. They don't. If you unmoved, there is I don't believe there is a number that could move a guy. I don't. I do. I do. I know where to move a guy. What? Five million for the dunk contest. They moving. They moving for extra five, whether it be Anthony Edwards. I mean, who else is a pre-new All-Star that has that kind of creativity and excitement when it comes to dunking? Joe? Zion. You going to put Zion in there? Zion. You going to put Ja Morant? You going to get Ja to? Extra five? Yeah, they going to go. I guarantee you. I bet you. Let's bet. It's different now, Ocho. What motivates guys? If it ain't in you, they no amount of money can get you to do it. It ain't in them. I like that. That's a good one. It ain't in them. I like that. But I know for that five, they're going to get that. They're going to get that. People quick to say, they quick to talk about Jordan and Kobe and all these guys. they were doing it when the winner got 25,000. Yeah. This is a different time, huh? This is a different time. Exactly. That's my point. They make so much money. That's why I said. Think about it. Them guys make more in endorsements than probably Jordan made in his career in two years of endorsements. Now, I'm not talking about what Jordan, I'm talking about Jordan's salary. I'm not talking about what Jordan did with Nike. That's a whole different issue. Right. And we know, and congratulations to the jump man. but it ain't in them Ocho. Why you think they stopped doing it? And the risk of being judged and the risk of being losing. They don't want that. The same thing I said, the same thing about it Ocho. When we did the Pro Bowl joke, the loser got 5,000, the winner got 10,000. And then it went to 25, then it went to 30, then it went to 50. It went to 100,000 and the guys still wouldn't do it. them guys when you start making the kind of money that they're making and I think another thing that plays a major part in this is that it's mid season this is our only break that we get a lot of guys ain't willing to you know be out there they really want to rest they really want to go off and do something else right Right, right. So look, Ocho, think about this. So All Star Weekend, I'm in a dunk contest. It's the only event I'm doing. It's Saturday night. Man, that's going to cut into my plans, partner, for All Star Weekend. If the money was the issue, don't you think these shoes companies, Adidas, Puma, Skatcher, Jumpman, Nike, don't you think they can say, hey, Ant-Man, I got an extra $5,000,000,000, you win the dunk contest. You don't think they'd ruin the money? Of course they would. They not moving. It don't move them. it's got to be in you. You gotta wanna do it. Money can't be the incentive. Man, think about what they get. Joe, how often do y'all get paid? Hey, money is the incentive. Come on now. Money is the incentive. First and 15th. So you get paid the first and the 15th. So a guy that's making $60 million, $50 million a year. Right. Plus when you tap on what he's doing in endorsements. Okay, let's just say we gonna be generous. another 20, 30 million. So he making somewhere between 80 and 115 million. And all of a sudden you think, wow, whoa, five million really does it for me. He could do a car signing. God, they doing no money. Hold on Hold on I think we got Hold on David Falk Yeah I knew about him He told a story that Jordan had an opportunity somebody offered Jordan to show up for three hours, offered him 100 million. Jordan said, no, I'm good. 100 million, you know, Joe. So you just told me money moved people. 100 million for three hours. Come on, now we cannot compare Jordan. Jordan. Jordan, Ojo, stop it. Let me ask you a question. That's different. We talk about Michael Jordan. Three hours. The greatest. Three hours. A hundred. And he said no. It's Michael Jordan, huh? A hundred million ain't moving him. So you think five million moving the guy that making $130 million? Thank you, Ojo, I appreciate that. I don't like the comparison in Jordan and the players that are playing today. I don't like that comparison. You make my point. Because Jordan was willing to do it for 25. And you think that's what's going to do it for them? Extra money? Jordan was making $3 million in contract. Plus, he's probably making it at that time. He had Hanes. He had Gatorade. He had Nike. Let's just be generous and say he was doing $20 million, $30 million. Right. So he's doing $33 million. These guys, some of these guys are doing three, four times that. Mm. Mm. like I said if it meant something to these guys if it meant something to the shoe companies they do it say Ant-Man you win this thing or Jordan Brand you win this thing because the superstars of all are participating in the three-point competition they got some guys that shouldn't be in the three-point competition but they in it but you get Steph as long as you You get Steph, you get Dane, Knipple now, he's going to be a regular participant. You get Donovan. Ant-Man, because Ant-Man led the league in three-point competitions. I just think the thing now, Ocho, is that the guys, the money doesn't move the guys. You got to want to do something. Because like you said, money, I don't believe money moves people. Not when you get to a certain level. I mean, you got to really break it worth my while to get me up off my couch, Ocho. You gotta get it up off Bible. You gotta get it. With the way that, I mean, you know, I ain't listening. With the way them boys spend, that extra five ain't gonna hurt, I can tell you that. He ain't gonna go that, he ain't going no extra five though. No. I'll go to Phoenix and get that little M. Joe, hey, let me get the three-boy competition. I get that shit. I go out there and do something, participate in something. Hey, hey, Joe. What's up? Hey, matter of fact, hey, Unk, and since you going to be down, right, like you down and out for a little bit, you got to go into the night, you could like, like me and Joe could play one on one for a million. Boy, look. What do you think about that, Unk? Hey, Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk, put an extra million on it. I won't let his ass go. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe said I be the easiest one I ever made. What? I'm just saying that, that'd be good. Hey, Joe, I play hard as hell, Joe. It's okay, you can play hard, that ain't gonna mean nothing. Hey, Joe, I play like my life on the line, Joe. It's okay, it's okay. It's okay, you still will have a chance. You will have a chance. Hey, Joe, let me ask you something though. What's up, bro? With all due respect, I know you one of the better players of all time. You know, you have opportunity to go into the Hall of Fame. But you think if we go to 11, you think I ain't gonna score one point, Joe? If I don't want you to, nah, you won't. You don't think so? Nah. Like Joe, like slightly, like with all due respect, I don't really- But because I like you, because I like you, I think you're a good guy, I'm willing to probably ease up, give you about two points. You lucky enough to get you at least a point or two. You know what I mean? But if I ain't want you to score, you wouldn't score, partner. I don't like that, Joe. That's okay. What you saying, Joe? What you saying? Like, hey, lightweight Joe. Hey, hey, y'all. Cornbread, neck bone, fried chicken, pork chops, collard greens, mac and cheese. Hey, hey, hey, I don't mean no disrespect, but he lightweight disrespecting me, telling me I can't score a point. I know you're an NBA player. I know you want to make a play. I'm just keeping it real. I know it sound like disrespect, but it ain't. It do. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm taking it as disrespect. I'm telling you, Joe. Well, take it how you want to take it, Ocho. Shit, take it how you want to take it. We can get to it, boy, I'm telling you. I'm coming to see you, boy. I'm coming to Miami, boy. I'm going to come down there and slay some dragons, homeboy. I'm coming to see you, man. Hey, aunt. Don't get me turned up, because you know when you get me turned up, you can't turn me down. All the way turned up. Hey, aunt, we done created a monster zone. I don't know. Hey, we done created a monster zone. It's the chat fault, too. Come on, Joe. It's the chat fault. Joe. For real, Joe? The chat. Oh. Nah, damn, man. He done pissed me off. He done pissed me off, Monk. I try to be cool with y'all, but nah, I'm sick of it. He done pissed me off. Now, see what I'm telling you, man. We was good. Hey, we had to get that out of the way. We was good for my feet. Nah, damn all that. Nah, nah, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Hey, Ocho. What's up? I promise you, boy, hey, I had a great day at therapy today, too. I'm pushing that sled, pushing it down, pulling it back. With that weight on there. Yes, sir. I promise you, boy. Come April. Hey, Joe, I don't like you telling me I'm not going to score. Ain't nobody finna tell me what I'm not going to do against my will, Joe. I'm going to score a point. I'm going to score maybe two, maybe three. At least you can say I told you, partner. At least you can say, man, that nigga, he told me. Yeah. Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, hey, real talk. As a grown ass man, Joe. What's up, bro? Like, you slightly disrespecting me. That's OK. It's OK. You can be disrespected, you still gonna get this work home, boy. All right, all right. Well, when you come, when you finish with therapy? When you finish with therapy? I'm gonna send you the date. Soon as we get out of here, I'm gonna text you the dates on your phone, partner. Yeah, all right. Yeah. How much you putting on the game? Anything make you nervous. Come on, talk to me. Well, hey, don't nothing make me nervous, right? I'm good, Joe. What you want to do? Make it light on yourself. Oh, Lord. Call it, man. Oh, what you want me to, how much you want me to get from it? I'm gonna be healing up. You want me to get, hey, hey, hey. Hey, why I'm mad? Why I'm mad? I'm gonna get your 5,900 too, why I'm mad. Oh, yeah, give my 5,900 while you're at it, Joe. Yeah, I'm gonna get your 5,900 plus tax. Hey, we do. And make sure, so it ain't no excuses, make sure we bring cash to the court. Oh, say less. Yeah, make sure we bring cash to the court. Yeah. Say less. OK. Hey, I don't know. Hey, I don't know somebody to tell you wrong. I'm about to let you out a crowd a little while long, you get my 5,900, Joe. Oh, say less. I got you. I got you. Yeah, I'm glad. So y'all teaming up against me? Okay, bet. Bet. I've been alone with you all my life. I thought you and Joe, you the one that challenged that man. I ain't got nothing to do with this. I'm injured. I'm on injury. Hey, but I did heard you chipped in. I did heard you chipped in by letting him be the king a little bit longer. Okay, okay, bet. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Ocho, Ocho. I earned my respect homeboy. I took what I wanted. You know what I'm talking about? Right, I hear you. I hear you. Wait, listen, I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna take what I want too and I'm earning my respect. Okay, all right. Joe, we got to get you a nightcap sign. You got a wall back there, Joe? Yeah, I got one. I can put it up right there. You go, you go, hey, you got to put it on because you know, Ocho, Ocho. Oh, you don't even know he got one. Now my sign worked though. Oh, here he go. We can't see that. That thing's so far to focus. Hey, don't worry. Don't worry. Remember, remember they do them a room. They do them a room at the end of this month. Boy, they been doing that room. No, I said they coming to do it. They got other, they do other jobs. My, my, my dates aren't scheduled to the end of February. You do realize that's like in two days. Yeah, the end of February. That'd be here. Two days. I'm going to have to do my. So you said they're going to be there on Friday or Saturday? Yeah, it take two weeks. But yeah, boy, this dude got me bent, what? Who? You. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's what it's going to feel like on that goddamn court playing with me. That's what it's going to feel like. With all due respect, now you ain't going to tear me. I ain't going to score no one, two points. Like I'm not an elite athlete. What are you talking about, man? It's me. Just keeping it 100, my boy. You ain't keeping it 100. It's going to be, man, all right. Well, hey, Joe, you got me, man. We're almost cursed, boy, and I don't even curse no more. I don't even curse no more. We're almost cursed, boy. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app, Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. 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And plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grips starting March 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of the Hawks, it took Jonathan Kaminga 175 regular season games with the Warrior to record his first performance in which he scored at least 27 points. In his Atlanta Hawks debut, Kaminga did that in his first game. On Tuesday night, Kaminga dropped 27 points in 24 minutes, and tonight he dropped 17. If Kaminga continues to play like this, what do you think, Ocho? Does that look bad on Steve Kerr? Because for whatever reason, he wouldn't let the young man play a whole bunch. I don't know why he wouldn't let him play. I mean, everyone said it. Those that I know that watched the game of basketball said how good Kaminga was. but obviously it's a pecking order. There's always a pecking order. That's why I always ask you and Joe, is there a certain individuals that are allowed to have the green light? We talked about Cade Cunningham and the amount of shots he put up. And obviously offensively, everything runs through Steph Curry. So I said, I asked you and Joe before, well, how come as good as Kaminga is and as much as he wants the ball and wants to assert himself offensively, why are they not allowed to allow the offense to run through him? and I see that's what I'm saying knowing knowing that he is a he's an offensive juggernaut just as well why not you have two people that can score you have two people that can get you points I don't see what the problem is but he goes where he goes now and he's putting up points like this 27 one night 17 the next and this is probably now that he has the green light to be able to play as freely as he wants to this is what you're going to get. The Warriors system is predicated on ball movement. Kaminga is predicated on having the ball in his hand moving. So he needs to take the ball. He needs to have the ball and take you off the bounce. Where Golden State is a hot potato type of team. Right. I mean, okay. You're right. And he's like, look, this style has won four championships. is going to six NBA finals. Right. Okay, now I got you. I got you. I got you. Kevin Durant fit perfectly in this system. Right. I'd be damned if I didn't change my system for Kevin Durant. I'd be damned if I'm going to change it for somebody that's not the equivalent of Kevin Durant. I got you. I got you. All right, it makes sense. It makes sense. So right player, just wrong system. Yes. I got you. Yes. Ocho, the Hawks are hosting Magic City Monday honoring the iconic Atlanta Strip Club at their March 16th game against the Magic. T.I. will perform at half. The Hawks will serve Magic City world-famous wings at the game, and there will be limited edition merch available. Okay. I need to hear something. Hey, Lou, if you get any money from them lemon pepper, shoot your boy something. Go ahead, Ocho. I'm glad you said that. Now, me and Joe, we talked about it. I've been asking Joe, I want to come to a game. I want to be able to sit courtside. So obviously, why don't I take the opportunity to use that game March 16th as the one to get tickets to to sit courtside with Joe? Just so I can taste the wings. Not only taste the wings, but obviously get a chance to see what Magic City is all about. Because I hear about it all the time. You tell me about it. Well, you ain't going to be able to see what Magic City is about at the game. You're going to have to go to the... I'm talking about after the game. Okay. I'm going to ask Joe. I'm going to tell Joe to go with me. I don't know if Joe can get permission to go out after the game, but if he's allowed to go, I mean, I would love to see what Magic City is all about because I keep hearing about it. And the fact that Atlanta Hawks partnered with Magic City, that says a lot. Yeah. That says a lot. Magic City is iconic. It's probably the most recognizable strip club, okay, adult entertainment, gentlemen's club in America. Ooh. There might be some that make more money, but I'm talking about just on name recognition. Right. Ain't nothing touching it. Nothing. Nothing. Area 21, whatever they got, the cabaret in Dallas, whatever they got in Miami. As far as name recognition, when you hear Magic City, you already know where it is. I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm excited. Speaking of adult ballet, you know, I leave for Houston tomorrow. I'm going to watch my baby run at College Station, obviously. It's the SEC Championship. That's what it was. I couldn't think of what it was. The SEC Championship, it's outdoor right now at College Station. It's indoor season. Oh, it is indoor season right now, right? Yeah, so I'm going to go there. And if I'm not mistaken, we have nightcap Saturday night, right? We got a nightcap Saturday? Yeah. Yeah, no? We're debating. Okay, well, let me know, because if we do have it, I'm going to do nightcap from Area 29. Okay. Yeah. Charlotte Conknepple reached another milestone in his great rookie season for the number four pick out of the Duke. Out of Duke he broke Keegan Murray NBA rookie record for three made He making this 207th on Thursday night Kneppel connected on five threes in the first half and then broke the record in the third quarter. It took Murray 80 games to do it in 22-23. To establish the record, Kneppel just broke it in 59. Steph Curry holds the single-season record with 402. The way they shoot the threes now? Mm-hmm. I mean, it's not only the way they shoot it, but how efficient he's shooting it at. Well, I mean, I think the thing is, I mean, think about it, Ocho. I mean, they got up 50. Phoenix got up 53s. The Lakers got up 29. I mean, the two teams on average getting up somewhere between 60 and 73s a game. Man, that's crazy. Yes. I mean, think about it. It took the dude, he broke this record in 21 fewer games. this is unprecedented Steph didn't really start shooting volume threes until the problem like it's 5th, 6th, 7th year in the league right these guys are coming into the league now shooting volume threes so this is the way the game has evolved this is what the game is now though it's a three point yeah guys are just running they run to the three point line Mm-hmm. Everybody's stepping back. Everybody, I mean, they sitting the pick so high. And we're still in the Lakers, aren't you? They going up and – bro, they shooting the lights out of the building. And you still going up under the screen? Laravia, you going up under the screen? Luca, you going up under the screen? Jackson Hayes, you got to get picked at the top. You not going to show? So you going to let the guy, then you come running out there with your hand up. Bro, it's too late. Mark Jackson said, hey, hand down, man down. It's too late. When that guy picked, you got to show right now. Yeah. You can't be late. Guys are too good now. I mean, guys for the other team, you ain't got to do that with the Lakers. You ain't got to do that. They can't knock down threes. And LeBron's three has abandoned him tonight. AR struggled the last couple of games. His three ball has abandoned him. Luka was sensational tonight. He was 12 or 21. coming off of, what was he, 8 or 24 last night, if he was that. He was like 2 or 10 from the 3. He played much better tonight. But they're going to have to do a better job at defensively. I just don't understand what they think can happen playing defense the way they play. Nina Westbrook, the wife of Russell Westbrook, shared an email she received from a batter who called her a dumb bee and wish death on her and her husband. What? Man, listen. Stop gambling if you can't afford to lose the money. Right. The email reads, your effing-ish husband sucks too effing bad. Can't even get 10 points is pathetic. I hope you both die in a car crash, dumb B sent from my iPhone. really hey hey that that's that's an addiction people people that gamble to that point where they're upset at the person's family and just being mad at the player in general you know don't gamble if you can't stand to lose yes that's what it comes down to i i don't i don't gamble so it's hard for me to understand or really wrap my head around someone getting that mad when i don't want to gamble on anything where I'm not in control of the outcome. Yes. That makes no sense to me at all. But they need to find the FBI, FBI, whoever else. Y'all find this. Oh, they can find that quick. Of course they can. Especially when you're using technology. Oh, they find you quick. Come on. You get somebody emailing you saying this. And you thought you did something too. I showed them. This person lost their email. Is that him, Joel Molina? Oh, they found out who it was already? He put in his name. He sent it. His name was up there. Oh. Damn, he bold. Dumb, dumb. Whoa. No. If you trying to pay a mortgage or you trying to pay a car note and you betting on games, the unpredictability of it I'm good I told you I just learned how to play Blackjack Unk and I played a $25 tables I get $100 out the ATM when $100 is gone I'm gone it's a wrap that's the extent of that league is there anything the league can do Ocho it's too big Look, the thing that caused sports to be as big as they are was two things, fantasy and sports betting. That genie is out of the bottle. Yes. Billions and billions is just like alcohol. It was bootleg and only a handful. But now they made alcohol legal. The same thing they did with marijuana. And you see the gambling. So they still do illegal betting. So I don't want people to say they get away with it. But when they made sports betting legal, and now you got it in New York, and I think you got it in Jersey. It's just not in Las Vegas. And you see, they were trying to get this thing in Dallas. They were trying to get this thing over the finish line. Right. It ain't no turning back now, Ocho. Ain't nothing you can do. Yeah. Ain't nothing you can do, Ocho. It is what it is. that's the thing that that's why Ocho you love betting on NFL you love betting the parlays I'm gonna bet the coin flip I bet it be heads I bet what color gatorade they gonna dump on the winning coach red who scored the first touchdown how long is the national anthem is it 90 seconds is it two minutes is it a minute it's just too much It's too much to bet on. I just, man, you call somebody that you don't even know. And you call, you email this person, this man's family, and disturb their peace all because you lost. She didn't tell you to bet on her husband. She didn't tell you to bet at all. But if you're married and somebody were to say that to your wife or your mother, your sister, you'd be upset. Be upset, be mad. But y'all feel y'all can say anything. And see, the problem that I have, and there are people out there, oh, if I made $20 million, if I made $200 million, you could say whatever you wanted to to my wife. You could say whatever you, no you couldn't. Stop. Because y'all put everything on money. Money don't make it. At the end of the day, he's still human. I don't give a damn how much money he made. He gonna leave here just cause you got Elon Musk gonna have a trillion dollars but guess what he gonna have an appointment one day that he can't reschedule oh yeah so stop this notion because somebody they should be immune because they're because they make an exorbitant amount of money you wouldn't want nobody to talk to your wife you wouldn't want nobody to talk to your sister your mom like their grandma like that but y'all feel totally fine to go through something to find somebody's email and to send some bull job like this right but if you saw russ on the street you like hey russ can i take a picture you wouldn't call that man wife what you called in his email if you saw them walking down the street i bet you wouldn't absolutely not and you wouldn't say that to russ absolutely not ain't all these I don't get it I don't I mean I get it I get it because we see this situation occur and happen so many times not in just basketball but in other sports as well you see people do it online screaming at players sending DMs oh my fantasy what you doing you need to touch that yeah I mean listen it's ridiculous and it's gotten ridiculous to the point where it's out of control and there's no way to control it now. No way to control it. I call them keyboard warriors. Everybody's a keyboard warrior. And they hide behind profiles because there's no consequence for what they say, for their actions. So they're going to keep doing it. Yeah, they got them thumb muscles, Ocho. But they, I mean, they like all this and you know, I get freedom of speech. But that don't mean you've read freedom of consequences. that's the problem y'all just need to stop this man y'all need to stop talking to people crazy stop talking to people's wives crazy, people's girlfriend or their moms crazy, y'all being reckless out here don't gamble, don't bet this is the way to remedy this problem stop betting, you're betting money that you don't have trying to double up that's your problem You're betting money you don't have. Sit y'all ass down. If you got a good playing job, you're working nine to five, like Ochoa said, you're trying to hit the little come up, trying to hit a lick. Too much at risk, man. It's too much at risk. Y'all need to stop this, man. Y'all really need to. Y'all be doing too much. and I couldn't I mean I'm trying to think I'm trying to think what could someone do to me to make me call their wife the girlfriend and go through first of all I ain't got no email so I ain't got to worry about that but what would make what would make me I'm trying to think Booker T Washington once said No bank will make me degrade my soul By making me 80 Okay that's old school there Hey Booker T Let's throw back I like that I don't get it I don't You gotta come up with a better You gotta come up with a You gotta come up with a better Side hustle Ocho Yeah Gambling ain't it Yeah, it ain't too many out there where you can make fast money like that. No. No, there's not. And to go on somebody because the man ain't score point, he ain't tell you to bet on him. Mm-mm. But to call that man, that man wife, that man, come on now. Y'all doing that. That's way too much. Way, way, way too much way too much that man don't bother nobody his wife don't bother anybody all i know is that from what i've seen she's a supportive wife occasionally you see at the game but for the most part you don't really see her too much and that's okay too and that's probably by design because russ don't want to have to whip somebody for going crazy because he strikes me that type of guy he's not gonna let you disrespect this family oh yeah He's quick when somebody, hey, bro, he's like, hey, I'm a man. I got wire. I got kids. I'm a husband. Don't talk. Don't disrespect me like that. And people, man, they got to stop this, man. They be doing too much. They be doing way too much. And this notion, oh, you can say whatever to me. You give me this amount of money. No, they won't. No, you can't. Mm-mm. No. And they need to just stop doing it. Ocho, Kevin Durant was asking about the best player he's ever played with. KD says it's a tie between Steph and Russ. With Russ, I never feared that he was going to lose a matchup. That's the one thing I never worried about. Having that comfort from a park guard just made my life easier. He's in an unattainable situation. Because if he says Steph, it don't mention Russ. Right. People are like, oh, man, you only played with Steph for three years. You played with Russ for this many years. Mm-hmm. Then somebody going to probably take it. So you can't win. And I mean, it's tough. It's tough because, you know, that's what we do, Ocho. Sometimes, well, who going to win the game, Ocho? Man, I got the Bengals. Okay, I take the Browns. We in that society now. That's what we do. You got to pick one or the other. I mean, he answered it honestly. You talk about the best you ever played with. And it's two different factors on why he chose two different people. Because at that time, when it was OKC, it was Russ. Hell. But I also played with probably the greatest, arguably the greatest shooter of all time when I was with goddamn Steph. I wasn't there that long. But when I was there, the proof is in the pudding. He's one of the greatest, the greatest shooter of all time. Best quarterback you ever played with? See how? I like how you did that. You see how? Now you see. When you ask me that question I would take the person who's responsible for the majority of my success so I would have to go with Carson even though statistically Tom Brady is the greatest of all time He is Even if you take away all the passing yards and just look at the Super Bowl Right, right, right But see, that's the thing Right Is that it's a no-win situation because like you said, if you take somebody other than Carson, people are going to say, Carson, man, Ocho played with you all them years, and he said Tom Brady better than you. Even though Carson would understand, he's like, man, I thought Ocho and I were cool. Right. I told Joe, I had with Joe tonight, like, hey, Joe, I love you, but I'm taking seven. Ain't win no Super Bowl with you. Right. Ain't going no Pro Bowl, ain't going no All-Pro, and that guy was the main reason of any player that I got to can. Remember what you want me to say? You want me to lie? Right. No. So I get it. I get it. And I hate that because you know if he just said one or the other, they're going to clip that thing up and it's going to be trendy. He answered it the right way. Yeah. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. 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