SC EP:1169 No doubt he was coming to kill us

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved. Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunting away back and forth, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet to what I saw with bears. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sheriff? See ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. This is Shawnee and Lola from Utah. You're listening to... Sasquatch Chronicles. What Are The Finale Finale Finale Finale Finale Finale Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Carrie. And Carrie comes to us from Florida. About 15, 16 years ago, she had this terrifying encounter down at a boat ramp. I'll let her kind of go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at sasquatch chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out sasquatch chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Carrie to the show. Carrie, thanks for coming on. Yeah, you're starting to think you've had me. Yeah, and you had this terrifying account down there at a boat ramp in Florida. Before this encounter happened, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of sasquatch? I grew up in Florida. My grandparents lived in Alabama. So when I would go and hang out my grandparents in the summer, he used to always tell me to watch out for the woolly boogers. And I didn't really know what he meant, but I knew that he meant there was obviously something in the woods that I need to be careful of. And I wasn't for sure if it was like a big bear or something, but he just would always tell me, you look out for the mollybuggers when you're out there. And you could tell it wasn't a joke. You could tell he was serious. So when I would go out riding my full willer, I would always be careful, make sure there was nothing around that would scare me if I stopped somewhere because I was big about exploring different places. I would come across old cemeteries out there that had been grown up and stuff. And I'd try to kind of go through it a little bit. And if I start hearing something, I'd get out of there because a grain daddy always told me to watch out for stuff. So I'd never seen one. I didn't really know what it was. But I knew that there was something that grain daddy wanted me to be really careful of when I was up there in the woods. Yeah, I've noticed down south, they don't really use the term bigfoot. They'll say woolly booger. They'll say booger. I've heard boogie man. And, you know, your grandfather kind of warning you about being out there and running into the woolly booger. That's definitely interesting. If you would take me back, how long ago did this encounter happen to you in Florida? And if you would just kind of walk me into it. It actually happened about 16 years ago. It happened off of Quinthet River. And the only reason I know for sure it was 16 years ago is because it was right before I got pregnant with my son. And that's whenever this really clear one happened. I've had a couple little kind of like questionable ones if it was another one later on, you know, just recently this year I had one. But the one I'm fixing to tell you about was extremely clear and it was definitely an experience. So about 16 years ago, I was, I had a truck. It was a little S10 and it had big speakers in it. So you could hear it coming, you know, for a little ways down the road for sure. And even if it was turned down, you know, those base speakers were still kind of loud. So me and my ex-boyfriend at the time, we were going to kill a little bit of time because it was starting to get dark and his brother was at the house and they were fixing to leave in like a big group of people are fixing to leave and we just didn't want to show up, you know, around a bunch of people. So we were just waiting about an hour, hour and a half to go back to their house. So he pulled up down Quinthet River. There's a little boat ramp there. And we pulled up at the boat ramp. There was no one there. It was starting to get dusk, not really too dark. You couldn't see nothing or anything, but you could see perfectly good. You know, it wasn't like it was questionable what was out there. We, I mean, we pulled up, it was still enough daylight. You could see the river. You could see across the river. And this river isn't really a very tiny river, but it's pretty wide. And I never knew really how deep it is. I don't know how deep it is to this day. But I know that when we pulled up down there, I was able to go to the end of the boat ramp, which is about maybe five, between five to six foot from the tip of where my car was parked, because I had pulled my car up as far as I could. And we got out, I jumped up on the boardwalk, we walked down and we sat down in the boardwalk. Well, me and him were sitting out there. It was super quiet. Once I turned off my car, the music stopped. I don't remember really hearing anything, to be honest with you. And occasionally you'd hear a car drive by on the bridge. But other than that, from what I remember and then talking to him afterwards, we didn't hear anything. We didn't hear crickets. We didn't hear birds or anything, but we didn't think nothing of it at the time. So we were sitting out there and we were talking, just kind of like, you know, just chatting. And I am kind of talkative and I get giggly. So I'm not sure if maybe I laughed too hard or maybe we were talking too loud. But I don't know what caused it to get so mad at us, but out of nowhere we heard a huge splash. And when we looked up directly across from where we were sitting, there was this, I could still see it still halfway falling into the water. Like, whatever it was, it was big enough that when the splash started and I dripped my head up, I could still see it still falling into the water. Does that make sense? Jump down off of an embankment that was about maybe two or three foot out of the water on the other side. And there's trees there, but it's not super, super thick. Like, you can kind of see a little bit through the trees. And we didn't see nothing moving or nothing over there. Never heard nothing. And so when it jumped in like that, my first thought was alligator. And when I seen it still falling in, I was like, no, no, no, that can't be maybe a bear. And so me and him looked at each other and we ran up to the truck to turn my headlights because this river is, I mean, it's wide enough that we didn't feel like we were in direct danger at the time. So we go turn on my headlights and by the time we got to that headlights and turned them on, and I'm telling you maybe if I was going to stretch, you know, the distance between where we were sitting to the truck, you couldn't stretch it no farther than 10 foot. But I really believe it was about five or six foot from where we were. It wasn't too far at all. So I jump into the truck and I'm standing right there where I have one foot on my my seat and then one foot on my, you know, the floorboard. I flipped on the truck lights because I'm only five foot. So I'm standing up on top of the truck and I'm looking and. It was it was weird to understand what I was seeing because I thought it was a monkey, which obviously monkeys are small and really the correct term would probably gorilla. But I screamed out, is that a monkey man? Because it looked like a big old gorilla man coming across the river. And Alvin's face looked at me with big eyes and he just looked at me and didn't say nothing. And I was watching it and it had already made it about halfway through the river and that river is wide west. And I don't know how deep it is, but I never, never seen that water go anywhere above his like right above around where his waist would have been. And he came across that river and his hands were coming over his head. Like, you know, how people run through the water, how they have like that overhand striped thing kind of thing going on where they are running their hands or coming above their water to kind of help them go faster. Yeah. Yeah. And he was going across the river like that and I was in pure shock and I was expecting him to come up the boat ramp where the water was. And I had my I crunk up my truck when I realized how close it had got already. And I was sitting and waiting and I was fixing it like we were in the truck and out of the truck at the same time. Like we were just waiting to shut the doors because we were seeing how close could we get. And when it started getting closer to that dock, me and him both slammed the doors. I put it in reverse and I held the brakes and I was expecting, like I said, for it to go up the ramp and I was just going to turn around and leave because I thought once it gets to the ramp, I could just floor it and go. It's some kind of monkey or gorilla go out here because way back in like, I believe like the seventies, there's a story about a zoo that used to be out in the end of Muskogee road in 29. And in my brain, I remember telling, I remember telling my friend, I said, or my boyfriend said, there is an old zoo out here. He must have escaped and he laughed at me and he said, no, no, no, no, no, no. But that's all he said. So I'm thinking it's got to be like gorilla or something. So when it comes to the water, I'm just going to floor it, turn around and we're going to get out of here. Well, the closer it got to that dock, it grabbed a hold of the dock. And it pulled itself up in the most fluid, effortless motion that I have ever seen. Like it's giving me chills trying to explain just how simple this huge, just just huge creature pulled itself up easier than it looked like he was picking up a piece of paper, like it was effortless. And when he pulled his self up, he stopped for a second and I froze. He had a normal, just what I would explain, which you would think what a caveman would kind of look like face. He had a flat nose. He had eyes. He looked human, but animalistic at the same time. He had hair that went above his, it was around his face where it went up above his brow ridge, which was really stuck out and prominent. It came down. I didn't see any hair directly on his nose or mouth area. But everywhere else, it was a reddish brown, dark color hair, almost like the color. It was exact color of pine straw. Like when it dries out and it gets old and it starts, you know, once it falls. And he had the darkest. I've never seen pure evil in my life. The way I could feel it and see it when he made contact. And I feel like he was just looking straight at me. And every wrinkle he had on his face, because I had the headlight shining right on him, every wrinkle I seen it, his skin had a almost not really even ashy color, but like a dry color to it. His nose was pressed flat, like just like a gorilla kind of, but it was a little bit protruded out where it looked almost like some men's does. He had really prominent mouth structure, kind of like, I'm not saying they're not like a muzzle that stuck out, nothing like that. But if you look at gorillas, you can tell around their mouth, they have these, like their lips are kind of pushed out a little bit. And that's how his was like around his mouth and his cheeks area. It was a little bit protruded out. He was showing his teeth and just staring at us. And he froze for just, I mean, I don't know how long he sat there, but I know I got a good look and I did not wait for him to get up on that dog. But he did stop when he pulled himself up, like he was just showing us how big he was. He, that dog is easily four foot wide. He grabbed both sides of it with his arms. He pushed himself up and his chest was wider than that dog. He had full hair. I never did see any kind of gentilia, but you could tell it was definitely a man. He was very masculine. He showed his teeth. His teeth wasn't like, it wasn't, they're not like dog teeth or nothing. It just looked like what you would imagine a gorilla's teeth would look like. They were not white. They were like kind of yellowish a little bit. Yellowish brown like stained. They were just stained. It wasn't disgusting falling out. It wasn't sharp and scary. It was just huge teeth in a huge body. His chest was covered in that color for same color as I explained earlier. And the fear that you got when you looked at his eyes, he was not coming to say, leave. I believe in my heart that he was coming to kill us. And if he was on the other side of that river and we didn't hear that splash, there's no doubt in my mind, we would not have made it out of there. So the second my brain registered, this is it. Like this is it. Like he's coming to kill us when he pulled himself up and he froze. He froze for just that few, like maybe a minute to minute, maybe a minute and a half when he froze that minute, minute and a half. And I got a good look of what I was seeing. I threw it in reverse. I hit the gas just enough to back up a couple of foot. He started to move. I could tell he was lunging a little forward like he was changing his body, you know, his body weight and I floored it. I threw the back into that tail of my truck around. It hit the dock, the very end of the dock. It jumped off of that dock, hit the ramp a little bit about two foot, where I didn't back up far enough. I was just so scared. We hit that ramp tire, spun and we were down the ramp. The most scary part was when you go down that boat launch to get out of there. You have to drive down Quintet. So you're side by side Quintet. So you're going down and then that boat, that old road turns just a little bit. And at the same time, you can see the highway. And when it turns, you got to stop sign. And Quintet goes when you're coming from the bridge is straight way over the bridge. You go right past that little road, the vote ramp road. And then there's a big curve in the road. So I get to that curve right there. I look at, you know, my boyfriend at the time and he's pointing to go back towards it because that's where we have to go home. And I'm shaking my head. No, no, no, no, no, no, the whole time, you know, when I'm taking that curve, I'm shaking my head. No. And he said, go because we didn't know if it was behind us or not. But I was terrified he was waiting up there on the road. He kind of came up that little road and he was waiting to cut us off. Alvin, when he looked at me and said, go, I just turned the tires and I went straight towards his house. I floored it as fast as I could and my heart was racing because I was just waiting for that big thing to just come and push my car over because I know it was big enough. There's no doubt in my mind, it couldn't just push over a little less than at the time. But he only lived about, I don't know, maybe three miles from there. And I'm telling you what, I dropped him off and I went straight to my mom's house, which was a good 15 miles from there. I was not going to stay anywhere over there that night. But yeah, that was really intense. I got scared to go down there. So I had been a couple of times during the day where I had pulled up with my dad just to check the waters down there. And he knows I will not go fishing there, but it's Gambier River is a really high river. So we'll check the water there sometimes and we'll go way up and launch. And if it's a good, you know, if it's down good. And I've been there with my dad, I won't get out of the truck. But when I went with my boyfriend, he taught me and he's like, come on, it's a middle of the day. You know, I definitely keep my firearm with me now, which honestly, back then between, you know, it's probably not legal, but I did have a 38 on me back then. When I turned 16, I always had one in the vehicle with me. And I didn't even try to grab it because I knew there was nothing that was going to do. There was absolutely nothing that gun was going to do to this. It was so big, but he has a judge, which is a bigger one, you know, so he talked to me to get out of the car with him. And I pulled up to the boat ramp like I did that one time. I backed in this time, though. We got out, I walked in the boat ramp and it was so terrifying. It has been years since that's happened. But it took me right back to it because I was just waiting for him to come around the corner. He said, I'd be here. You know, that's why I kept thinking to myself, like, there's no way he was this confident coming to get us. This has to be his hunn grounds. It has to be. Like he's probably bringing off numerous people here. So I'm out there scared and we get to the end of the boat ramp. And I'm not kidding you. And I tell you, there is still claw marks at the end of that boat ramp. You can see where two hands that came up at the end of that boat ramp. And there is literally fingernail claw marks. And that's another thing is I see his fingertips. I see his hands on that thing. Like they don't have claws, like big, long claws. They just have a man's hand. It's weird. It's it's definitely been, I believe, has been around for as long as any other animal has been here. It did not look to me like it was any kind of government made kind of animal or something. I mean, that that thing's been around. It has too many features like we do. And it has intelligence because. Him waiting at the end of that river like that and just waited to come over. He had been he had been there forever. That's planning, you know. Yeah, that's terrifying. I mean, for him to jump into the river and just beeline for you, he's not hiding. He's not concealing what he's doing. You know, in situations like this, I do think that you're in danger. I know that you don't know and I don't know. But I mean, looking back now, what do you think set him off? I have thought about this a whole lot. So for the last 16 years, I told you this happened right before I had my son. OK, I was I was ovulating at the time, obviously. I mean, I had got pregnant with him shortly after this. So my thinking was it being a wild animal in a mill. He might have smelled that and wanted to either mate, you know. And if that wasn't and I don't think he would have just like if it was if I was another wild animal, I don't think he would just made me left, you know what I mean? I think he was coming to do something and then probably wouldn't have made it no matter what if I was an animal or not at that point, because the aggression, like you said, was extremely, extremely mean. But the aggression part, even though I felt it, I had a man with me. So maybe it was more of a I'm going to fight you or if it was like, you know, I'm saying, you know how animals will fight each other, two males will fight. So I don't know if we've got aggression of anger, of hate and like the killing thing I got wasn't directly exactly at me. Maybe that was more of a male to male thing. But I also wondered if we were there at the boat ram for people fish. There's sometimes people are not responsible. They'll sit there and shell some, you know, like cut off the fish heads or whatever and either throw them into the water or throw them into a trash can out there or something, you know, as a boat ramp. So some people just aren't as, you know, courtesy of the courier's as others. And maybe he came out there to just get a quick meal. And there's also the option that when you're coming down that little road, Gaiquinta, when you first brought before you get to the actual parking lot, there's a little stream runoff. And when it floods up there, it'll fill up this little late thing more and it'll come back down, but it holds water there. It's a little pond and that's a really good little fish in pond because a good fish gets stuck there. So either he was coming to hunt and that was his hunting ground and he was ready to eat and he got aggravated with us. That's my, that's my thought. Either the other one is either I was, you know, I was, you know, a woman right there at my prime age. I just got pregnant a few months, like a month and a half after that. So I was probably really fertile at the time, you know, maybe he smelt it and he was coming to see, you know, check it out and had a guy with me. That's a primal instinct. Or my music might have been loud when I pulled up, even though it was turned down because that bass is so loud. It's like, boom, boom, boom, even if it's low. So maybe he got mad because I messed up something that was going on, you know, and he was coming to take his anger out on us. Or I laughed too loud at the river. I'm not sure, but something set him off and it had to have been, I believe in my heart, one of those. When this creature came up on the dock, was he squared up with you guys? And was there any expressions on his face? I squared off. You meant like two men when they get like, when they're like bowed up, like they're just show it like they're showing a masculine side. Is that what you mean? You know, like when you see two idiot guys that want to fight, they always puff their chest out and they look like blowfish. Was it that kind of a posture? Exactly like that. Yes, sir. He sure was. He sure was. He had stopped. Like I said, it might have been a minute and a half or two minutes tops, but he was showing off his, his strength for sure. He had, he had his, like I said, both sides. So he, when he pulled his hands up, imagine a dog that's square at the end, right? And if you were big enough, which, you know, humans aren't normally ever going to be big enough. But if you take both hands and you put them in towards each other. So they're facing towards each other and you have them on the outside rim of that dock, not the side that's facing your stomach, but on both sides, you know, across from each other. And you pulled yourself up like that. That's how he pulled himself up, which is almost a natural, you know, and I mean, cause people would just put their hands in front of them, facing towards the, you know, fingertips facing outwards and then just pull their top up. But he didn't, he had his hands on both sides, which would make his muscles and his arms show more. And like I said, it was so effortless. But when he did, you could see his muscles and his arms, his chest, his shoulders, his way that traps up there in the shoulders, they were massive. His chest was pushed out. He was, he was huge. And he was, it was almost like he was showing it. Like he wanted us to see just how big he was. And the expression on his face was pure evil. You know, when you're mad, your, your eyebrows are wrinkle, your nose, you know what I mean? You get mad. You show a little bit of teeth, you know, like you get a mad look. His expression on his face was more evil and mad than I've ever seen in anything. Absolutely anything. He had his teeth out with people's inner lip flip up. I didn't see his lip flip up. What I've seen was his lip just come up as if you were going to, like, if you made the growling sound like a dog, like, or that's what he did. But he didn't growl. I didn't hear him growl. Does that mean he didn't growl? When I tell you, I went into pure primal fear. I don't remember hearing Alvin said that he was sitting there screaming go before I even went. I didn't hear anything. For some reason. It was like everything just started ringing really loud in my ears. And all I could do was just freeze. So he could have been making a growling noise or something, but I didn't hear it. But it's almost like whenever an animal or you would go, and you'd show your teeth, you'd be like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of a bite. That's how he kind of did it. So he was like really wrinkled in his cheeks. His eyebrow wrinkles were deep. His forehead was crinkled up, but his eyes were still so wide. Like whenever I do that girth sound, my eyes kind of squint. His wasn't, though. His was still open wide enough that all I could see was that pure evil darkness in his eyes. You know when you look at a dog and you can see, oh, he's just a cute little puppy and he gets mad. You can also see in his eyes, oh, he's got a little feisty side. This one right here, he had a pure evil side. I mean, I worked as I've been a firefighter. I've been first responder, you know, being a firefighter. I've come across situations where, you know, you've seen some people who has absolutely just lost everything, you know, and you've seen people in pure rage that's caused the pain to make people lose everything and that evil that they have when they're able to commit crimes that can take away somebody's life and stuff. There's only been a couple of situations where I've actually had to, I've pulled up and I've seen a murder and when I did, his eyes was not as evil as this one. I've worked at the courthouse. I've watched murders go on trial. And have you ever seen how they just have that blank look also? Like when they go to court, they just have that blank look like it looks like, you know, never regret, no, no, nothing's there. Like they didn't feel nothing. Well, you could tell this guy that pulled himself up on this dot is Sasquatch for sure was a Sasquatch. You could tell that he had pure evil and I don't think there would have been any remorse. And I don't think that he would have ever thought twice again to do it again. I believe that if you're going to be out there at night and you're in the woods or you're anywhere that you suspect there's going to be something, you would better have a game playing to get out of there every which way and be ready to lose your life if you have to, because this thing was pure, pure evil. Yeah, I always say, you know, when I was a bouncer, you always watch people's eyes more than their posture because the eyes will betray them. The eyes will tell you exactly what someone's going to do. And, you know, to your point, I was watching a documentary on serial killers. Not sure why, but I think it just came on TV. But one thing that to your point that I noticed is if you look into their eyes, their soulless, their empty. And I was curious what you meant by evil, but I think you explained it really well. I wanted to ask you, I might have missed it in the beginning, but when he climbed up on the dock, how far away from you was he when you guys were sitting in the truck? You know, like I said, about five or six foot from the hood of my car. So an S 10s hood is what? Maybe a couple of foot, maybe three foot, which we think maybe three foot out, maybe tops from because you got to remember at first I had one foot on my seat. Some five foot, I had one foot on my seat, one foot on my. The floorboard and I was staring over the truck, you know, so I was sitting there. And then once it got right there to the dock, me and him both got in the shut the door, you know what I mean? So maybe 10 foot max, it would not. I mean, I would be shot to say 10 foot, but I'm going to say 10 foot because 10 foot really in the grand scheme of things is not that far away. You know, my boyfriend is six, but he could have laid in front of that truck and maybe had, I don't know, a couple of foot before the end of the dock. Yeah, I must have missed that in the beginning. You guys are way too close. I wanted to ask you, when he came up on the dock, you kind of described it as a caveman. Did it look more like a man or did it look more like an animal? I got the impression that I was looking at and a type of mammal, let's just put it that because I'm telling you right now, it's got intelligence. I could feel it then, you know, like whenever if I go to the zoo and I look at a gorilla, it's got this little look that's just like, you know what I mean? But if you go down the road, you can see all kinds of people from their IQ being loaded, being really intelligent. And you get that you can tell when you're around something that's got an IQ level that's actually equivalent to something that matters, you know? So when I was staring at it, there was no doubt in my mind, I was staring at a mammal that looked like to me something that just was not in our history books yet. I mean, no doubt in my mind. I screamed, oh, my God, it's a monkey man because at first that's my brain trying to connect the dots between a man and a monkey, you know, and technically it would have been a gorilla. But in that huge rush of what the heck am I seeing? That's the initial thought was a monkey man. What the heck is a monkey man doing out here? You know, it looked like a gorilla's in the face, but it looks often like a man. Like most people will say, oh, he looked more manly or oh, he looked more gorilla type. This one is I had to put a percentage to it. You know, I would say it was almost 40 percent human and 60 percent monkey, maybe just because the eyebrow ridge, the mouth structure, the how his mouth protrude out a little bit, but the rest of the face, the eyes, the way he had expression to it, the way he was able to look and give you that feeling of you're dead. You know, that's not an animal. It's like prey where he's looking at you like food, you know, this was a you are dead look. So I feel like he it's not one monkey is not one man. I truly believe that it's got into I think it's got an IQ. I think it's got just looking at it immediately. That's what I've thought from the beginning. I felt like it. It's probably a, you know, I don't know. I mean, I know what I mean. I think I have a good idea of what I think it was. But at the very second that that happened, I truly just thought that I didn't think that it was like a human that mated with an animal. I felt like it was just another branch of possibly an animal, humanoid thing that's got animal characteristics and humans is just looking at it right then, just made me feel like it was an animal that hadn't been in the history book yet. When I was staring at it that moment, I still knew it had. It was like different than a normal animal. I felt like it was kind of human ish for sure, like a lot. Yeah, I feel for you guys being in an S 10. S 10 is not a very big truck. So when he gets up on the dock, how tall do you think he was? He never did. I did not wait long enough for him to get all the way up on that dog. So when he pulled his self up, he got his self up right there to where I would estimate a belly button, the bottom of the hip area would be. And he started pulling himself forward, you know what I mean? To pull the rest of his body up. And that was about the time that I was turning my truck around already. So I did not wait for him to get all the way up onto that dog. I did not wait. It's like when he pulled himself up and he stopped, I already had my my truck reversed, my foot on break and I stare and trying to figure out what am I looking at? And whenever his body structure started to shift weight, I had put it in reverse, backed up a few foot by the time I was turning my truck around. He was like, you know, he wasn't going as fast as he was at first. When we were out there and didn't have to kind of cover around us, he was going a lot faster. Once we were in that truck and he pulled himself up, he had paused for about a minute or so. I was ready to go in reverse. Once is once the second I noticed that his body started to change or shift. I don't are maybe before he did it. I went ahead and started backing up. I'm not sure, to be honest with you, but I only backed up a couple of foot. I didn't even back up far enough. Like I said, when I turned my truck around the back end, still had to come off about a foot or so of that dog. But, um, whenever he started to change his weight, does that make sense? Well, right before maybe he changed his weight, I had to start backing up just a little bit. And then by the time I went to turn that truck around and that the trucks, you know, they're very light in the back and it's a real roll drive. So when it should, when I turned that truck and I floored it like that, it threw gravel and everything. And the last thing I remember seeing was his, um, weight of his body was leaning forward almost to where I would guess our hips and legs meet. And that's the last part I seen was him leaning forward. Like he was coming up on that dog still. So I mean, I did feel like he was going to be coming for us. And I know in my heart that if I would have had my truck parked in the parking lot where you're supposed to park it, because the parking lot connects to the boat ramp don't get me wrong, but the place you're supposed to park is 30, 40 foot away from where the dock is pretty much, maybe even more depending on where you want to go in the parking lot. If I was parked there, no way would I have been able to make it to our truck and get in before that thing had already hit that land or pulled itself on the dock. And then I don't know which way it would have went, but there's no way I would have made it to that truck before he had already made across the river. Cause all I had, all we did when we heard that splash, like I said, I'm always alert. So when I heard that splash, I'm already, I jumping up at the same time. And that's when I can, you know what I mean? I had that splash. I'm automatically in go mode. So we heard the splash. I was jerked my head up. I seen something was still falling and I'm standing up, trying to get the truck to see what's going on, you know? So if we, if it took him by the time I, I mean, I'm okay. So sorry. I get like is bringing back a lot of fear for some reason, explaining it like so detailed. But, um, when we heard that splash and I hurried up and I'm trying to get up on my feet and run, I ran down that dock, which is not a long dock at all. Run down that dock. I jump into my truck and turn them headlights on. He's already halfway across that river. And if I could, if I had a computer right now, and I meant to look that up, I wanted to see how wide that river is right there for you. So I can really give you a good description because I'm telling you, by the time I got to my truck, just a few foot away from us, that thing was already halfway across the river and that river is swift, you know, it's not like a rushing river. That's so swift you can walk across. But if me and you want to try to walk across river like that, you wouldn't walk straight, it would end up pushing you at an angle. And he came straight across and by the time I turned them headlights on, I'm not kidding when I tell you, he was already halfway across from where we were sitting. Like he had already made it that far, just in a few foot of me running and flipping my headlights on, which is nothing but a little switch. Flip. And he's halfway across. I'm staring a few minutes, not even minutes, I say minutes and it's not, but I'm staring and he's up at the end of the dock. You know, I mean, this whole encounter, it might have been fast in the grand scheme of life, but this whole encounter, it was like, how is this happening? He's so fast. He's so big. Oh my God, he's here to kill me. I'm going to die tonight. You know, I mean, it was just like, went from having a great day to so fast. I'm going to be dead. There's no doubt he was going to kill us. Like I said, if me and him didn't make it to the truck, I know from where I'm sitting, it looks like he had eyes locked on me personally. It looks like we were eye to eye. You can tell when someone's looking at your eyes or the person next to you, even if you're across the room, you can tell by the shift of eyes where they're looking. And I promise you, I don't know if it's because it's me, you know, in my perspective of what happened, but it felt and I remember thinking at the time, too. Why is he staring straight at me? You know, like his eyes are locked into mine. So I don't, I don't think that it would have been a friendly encounter. I mean, I really think he was coming to kill us. I don't think me or my ex would have made it out there. Oh, we would have probably ended up being one of those trucks was here. Two people ended up missing. Or were you here, um, you know, attacked by some animal or murdered? No sex specs or something crazy. I can definitely understand the way you feel. And I'm kind of glad you went into that. I was curious if, um, the focus was on you or your boyfriend and you're right when something's looking at you, you can tell is it looking at me or is it looking at this other person? Obviously his focus was on you. And you know, there is Native American warnings that in old, um, accounts that they have, like when a woman is on her period, the, it drives these things crazy. Uh, I don't know if they can smell it or, uh, you know, I, I don't know. I, the only time I can tell when a woman's on her period is when she's usually yelling at me, but, um, I wanted to ask you, when you guys got back to, and it's all said and done, what was that conversation like with your ex? The whole way to his house, I'm telling him, you need to stay with me tonight. That thing is going to come to your house because it's only a couple of miles down the road. He wasn't really like in pure like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. He was more of like soaking it in still and trying to register. And he was like, no, it's fine. It's at the river, but he wasn't, I don't think he was thinking clear because my thought was get as far away as you could. And he was like, no, it's at the river. I don't know what just like, why would it do that? You know, and me and him were talking back and forth kind of thing, but the whole conversation where we were actually able to sit down and be like, what just happened that happened over the phone after like, I got home in about 20 minutes after the whole incident happened. I dropped him off. I tried to get him to stay with us that night. You wouldn't, he was like, no, no, like it's miles down the road. I'm fine kind of thing. So I was like, all right, well, you're on your own then, buddy, because I ain't staying here. And I went back to my house at the time I was living with my parents, but I called him up or had self-engineered. So I spoke to him the whole time I got home. And by the time I was able to get into my bedroom and shut the door and take a breath and just feel safe, that's by the time that we were able to have a whole conversation about it. That's when he was the one that said that was a Sasquatch because I kept calling that monkey man, monkey man, monkey man, you know, but I knew for some reason that it wasn't a monkey and a man, but that's just at the time shock, you know. And whenever he, I mean, I heard him say that was a Sasquatch. That's a, that's a big foot carry over the phone. That's when it was like, Willie Booger. That is what granddaddy was talking about. Those are the monsters in the woods that you're supposed to be scared of. It was more of a conversation of, well, dang, was the chances that we ran into this animal here, there couldn't be more than maybe 10 in the world or something. You know what I mean? Kind of idea. That's what we had thought at the time. Like, what's it doing here in our town? And we figured we were talking and back and forth. And I remember asking him, like, well, why is no one else talk about it? I mean, you know, and he was telling me, well, there's probably not hardly even out there ever, like we just accidentally was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the changes that are happening is probably extremely rare. There couldn't be more than maybe 10 in the world. I remember him saying that at the time. Yeah, there's definitely more than 10. And, you know, sometimes people will say, well, I thought they were only in the Pacific Northwest, but they're all over the United States and other countries as well. I wanted to ask you, I know going back to the spot of a location where you had an encounter, there is that almost like PTSD that comes back. How you were saying, like, you know, you go check the water levels, but you don't get out of the truck with your dad. And I get that. I get that completely. But beyond that, you know, I know you grew up in the woods, you're running around the woods on your grandfather's property. And, uh, but after this encounter, how did it kind of affect you? So when this happened, I mean, I used to go camping. We were just camping like the weekend before on Excambia River. I mean, not Excambia, but, um, Perdida River, which is just like right across the main highway from there, you know, it's not too far apart. The two are not far apart at all. But, um, we were actually camping out the weekend before me and my friends. We used to go all the time camping. There, there's a big sandbar on the Alabama side, Perdida River splits Florida and Alabama line. So one side you're on Florida, the other side you're technically in Alabama. So we would go across to the Alabama side. We'd camp out and, you know, I mean, at the time I was 20 years old, you know, and right there around that legal drinking age, but not quite at 21 yet, you know, and, um, we would go and take alcohol and just go right across the river to the Alabama side and we'd camp there for two or three nights because no one, the cops can't do nothing. We're in Alabama and they can't check our coolers and we keep it in cups and stuff. So it's not like we were broadcasting it over there, you know, but no one would ever mess with some, you know, kids camping across the river. So if we wanted to go and have a couple drinks or something, which I've never been one to drink a lot anyways, but at that age I was, you know, trying different kinds of beers or whatever, you know, mixed drinks, but we would go out there and we'd camp for three or four days on the river and, you know, get up the next day or so. Like we had a long weekend, we go Friday night, Saturday night, you know, all day Sunday and pack up and leave, you know, it was nothing for us to do that. We had a couple tents and that was like our second home at the time. All of us kids, we did it all the time. I grew up going out there and camping as long as I can remember since my parents would let me go anywhere, you know, since this encounter, I haven't been camping a single time, not once. Going down trellis to go to a river today, I'm still extremely cautious. The whole time I'm in a river or creek or anywhere, like I don't swim in dirty, nasty muddy river. If it's not crystal clear and I can't see how pretty clear the water is, I'm not in it anyways, but I can't. I'm not saying they have to go under water or nothing. I'm just saying though, like I don't go out to all these huge rivers and swim that's like big ones. I go to little ones. So when I'm in the little creeks or the rivers or whatever that I'm swimming at, they're not that wide. So the whole time I'm there, I'm scared of something on this side, on that side. You know what I mean? I'm not able to relax. I'm not able to be ignorant in the wild no more. And that's just the best way I can explain it. Yeah, you know, I can relate a lot to that, that feeling that you have. Your grandfather, did you ever get a chance to tell him about this or had he had passed at that time? No, sir, I didn't. Yeah, but he passed. He had actually passed maybe a year and a half before then. And I wish more than. So there's a lot of times that my granddad, he was the best granddad I had ever met. I mean, I've never met no one else's grandparents. It's been as great as my granddad. It was, you know, and I might be a little biased, but he was an amazing man. But he would have a way to teach you a lesson when you were a little girl that you would not understand was a lesson until you got an adult in the situation that you needed to know it in. I mean, it was amazing, you know, the way he was able to just. I don't know. I listen to I've always been the type of person that I'd rather learn from your mistake than me ever have to go through any mistakes. You know what I mean? So in granddad, he would try to teach me stuff. You know, I just remembered a lot of knowledge he used to give me. And I wish more than anything, though, I could have talked to him about it because he was the one that kept telling me the woolly boogers are out there. And what there was something else that Granny would call it. It was the devil, the monk, the wood devils, or I can't remember what she used to call it, but it was something else. And I knew they were the same thing. Even as a kid, I didn't think there was two different animals that were super dangerous out there, you know. But I wish more than anything I could have taught to him about it. I know he knows about him, though, because there was a time where my granddaddy took me, he gave me a piece of paper and he said, I was maybe six years old. I know I had to have been six because of what happened that made him do this. But he handed me a piece of paper and he said, I want you to go outside and sit at this table. He said, I want you to listen to nature and I want you to draw me what you think a boogeyman looks like. You draw me what you believe a boogeyman is, somebody that's going to hurt you, you know, or something that's going to hurt you. He said, not someone. He said something. He said, you draw me what a boogeyman is. And I drew a monster with fur and hair and teeth and horns. You know what I mean? And when I gave it to him, you know, granddaddy, the way he is, you know, he was like, you drew a great monster. He said, that is a monster. But he said, the monsters I'm telling you about are the ones in Walmart. They're the people that walk beside you every day. Boogeymen are the ones that are on walk by you and you have no idea that they're evil and they look like us. But the fact that I drew a furry, hairy monster, the horns obviously off, I was six. But that right there tells me that there was a lot of times when Granddaddy was saying boogeymen, there was some point that obviously he explained to me that in the womb in the woods, I need to watch out for an animal that was furry, you know, a big hairy animal because I wouldn't injure. I wouldn't do that. You know what I mean? For a monster, I would have probably drew like, you know, Frankenstein. So even though he was trying to teach me different lesson or whatever, since he was the one that was always telling me to watch out for the woolly boogers and stuff, he grew up on a little dirt road. His whole life, they've had that property since I don't know. I mean, it's only things ever changed since, you know, the government. He got it. I don't even know how long it's been in the family. But you grew up out there with like 12 brothers and sisters, but that only house that was out there for, I'm talking about 10, 20 miles. Like he was out there in the middle of nowhere. So he grew up and he had to have known about him. He had to have. Yeah, just from you talking, it sounds like your grandfather was a great man. And I do think that he probably did see one of these creatures, especially with all of his warnings about woolly boogers. You kind of alluded to it earlier, as far as what you think Sasquatch is. But how would you kind of classify this animal? Like what what category would you put them in? I know in my heart of hearts, I know that Sasquatch it's a real flesh and blood mammal. There's no doubt in my head about that. There's a mammal flesh and blood. I 100 percent believe just like there used to be different types of like, you know, humans that walked around. I believe that this was just one of those other types from way back when there used to be more than one type of people. So I believe that it's a type of human that has its own classification. It's not an animal like a dog cat, monkey or gorilla. I don't believe it's an animal like that at all. I believe it's more of a different type of human. The whole time that we've been here, they've been here. Yeah, that's an interesting take. Whatever they are, they do seem to be more of something ancient. You had mentioned this other incident that happened to you. It was about a year ago. It was around six months ago, maybe seven tops that me, my current boyfriend and my son, we all decided that we're going to go for a ride. And that's something that we do a lot. Me and my boyfriend go out in the woods almost daily at night. We'll go for a little afternoon drive if we can after work, if we have enough time. If not, on the weekends, we're definitely out there. And he had his own encounter at one point. So we like to go out there and drive around. And there's certain ponds that we like to go to. Cypress tree ponds and stuff. And we look for alligators and all kinds of other animals. But secretly, me and Chase are also looking to see if we can find any kind of other evidence or a Sasquatch out there. Is it a safe distance that we can actually see again? You know, even though I don't want to be in a situation where I'm as close as I was, there's this drive to want to see it again, see more, watch it in his environment, see what it does, how it reacts. So I was able to talk train to go on for a ride with us. And we went out to Cypress pond and it was dark. And it was about the third or fourth Cypress pond we hit that night. When we get up to the Cypress pond, it's in the middle of the woods. I always turn my car and I slowly go like in the road. I'll turn my car just enough where I'm angled, you know, and I slowly turn back so the headlights will scan the river or the river, but the pond, the best I can, you know, on the road. And I was scanning the river or the pond. I keep saying river, I was scanning the pond and we were looking for alligator shine, looking for alligator shine. And then all of a sudden, all three of us, well, it started off with me. I was like, what is that up there? Cause it would look like two eyes and it was gapped out far enough. And it was across the pond that it was clear to separate eyes and tracing it right away. He said, mom, those are eyes. What are they doing? Cause it was too high off the ground to be up there. It wasn't in a tree top up high, but I'm just saying relatively it was higher than it should have been for a deer. And Chase was having problems seeing it because there was like a tree in the pond. So I maneuvered my car just a little bit and I backed up. And as soon as I backed up just enough, he said, that's a Sasquatch carrying. And I knew right then when I seen the eyes, that's probably what it was. But I didn't say nothing because my son's in the back seat who doesn't believe in anything. And I'm not trying to scare him because we are at an extremely safe distance right now where, wait, let me back up. My mind's saying we're at a safe distance right now, but really it could have gone wrong easily. You know, so we're sitting there looking at it and we see there's another set of eyes. And it's downwards and over to the left some and they blink. OK, so we see the bigger set and it blinks. And I'm like, oh yeah, that thing blinked. And then all of a sudden we see it take a couple steps to the side. And it went right behind a tree. There was like this gap of area. You could see the moon was behind it, you know, that was shining towards us. And our headlights were shining over the pond at it. And it stepped in behind a tree area. And I said, that thing's going to hide. And Trace said, where did it go? Did it climb up the tree or something? Because we couldn't see it for a few seconds. And all of a sudden it popped its head out and it looked at us. And we see it blink again and it put its head back behind that one that was farther to the left. It was almost just like it looked down at the ground. You could see his eyes just turned down towards the ground. Like he was just hiding his face for some reason. Like I don't know if they know they have eye shine or not. But he was hiding his face and it would look up and then it would lay its like head back down almost. We sat there and we watched this thing almost bend down. So when it was in between the two trees, there was way too much area there for anything to be hanging on to a tree or it wasn't already on it. You know, there's no way it was to give a gap between the trees that nothing could have been hanging on to either tree. So when that big one was standing there before it went behind the tree, we watched it look down at the ground with its eye shine, because you could see the eyes clear. And like I said, they were gapped out and big enough that we seen the head look downwards because you could tell the way the eye shine changed. It looked down and then it looked back up. And while I was looking at that, it looked like it almost just squatted like it was going to pick up something, but it only went down like two foot or three foot. And from how high up it was, it looked like there's no way it could have really picked something up. So maybe it was just like thinking about going down and then change its mind. Or maybe it looked down, seen the stick and wanted to pick it up. I don't know. But we watched it move up, down and then over, which clarified in my mind, there's not some kind of tree there. I don't see. It's not farther back in the woods. It gives the illusion it's that tall. It is that tall. And as it peeked out behind that tree after it was behind the tree every once in a while, we sat there and we watched it for a long time. We didn't move probably 25 minutes. We sat there and watched them both. The one that was actually laying, the more our eyes adjusted, the more we could see that it was a lighter color than the ground around it. Like we could actually see that it was a more of a lighter color shining back in the headlights than just the dark, nothingness behind that bigger one. And finally, my son said, Mom, I'm really scared. Can we just go ahead and get out of here? And I said, yeah, we can. So we went ahead and left that area. Well, the next day, both of them, the whole wide home, we got to go back there. The next day we got to go back tomorrow and we got to check out what's out there. And I'm like, Oh, no, you're not. I don't care if it's daytime or not. You ain't going. You know, we absolutely not. Like you are nuts. They're out there during the day and night. We're not doing it. Well, after talking and talking and talking, I finally caved in. So it's 11 30 12 o'clock midday, the next day. OK, and they got me by saying, let's just go drive through the area and see what it looks like and we'll fill it out that way. And I knew then they were going to try to talk to you on getting out the car. So we get out there to that that pond. We go straight there. I hesitantly park and I'm looking around really good. And Chase gets out of the car. He's like, I got to pee. He gets out of the car and he's not peeing. OK, and sure. He's like, oh, yeah, I do too. And I look both of them like, do not go in those woods. And before I could even say, woods, both of them are laughing and running towards the woods. They're like, oh, my God, you're not being serious right now. Like this is so dangerous. It's not a joke, you know. And once they got to the wood line, both of them stopped and they're looking around and they're really cautious. They go over there. They walk along the pond and I don't see them make any expressions. You can see them talking back and forth and kind of looking around like they don't see nothing, you know. And I'm like, OK, they're fixing to come back because that's the area that it was in. And a few more steps forward, both of them stop. And I could see them really looking at something out in front of them and their faces was just like fear. Like I could see how terrified both of them is not like they were scared. Like, oh, I'm not big and strong. I'm just like, oh, I'm so scared. Little no, it was more of a shock of terror. I feel like this thing is a lot bigger than what we thought kind of look on his face. You know, I mean, like both of them were just like, you know, you could tell that they were very concerned, alarmed. I call Chase on his phone because instead of screaming back and forth in the woods, I'm too scared that I'm going to attract something back here, you know, with my kid right there. And these woods are I want to say woods. It's just like a couple of trees here and there. It's not a big, big forest at all. So I called Chase. I'm like, what do you see? And she said, Gary, he said, there is a huge area out here that is laid completely flat with the grass. And this grass that was grown up was like that yellowish, you know, old hay looking grass stuff that grows out in fields and stuff that just gets too high when you don't cut the grass, you know, when it gets really high. He said there was a bed out here. He said, not like a mattress, but like bedding, like where an animal has laid down. And he's a hunter, so he knows what it looks like. So I said, maybe a deer. And he said, no, this is not a deer's bed. He said there's actually, and I'll have to ask him exactly what they thought. They I mean, not what they thought, but what they seen. I what I think they told me was that there was like every all this stuff was pressed down really good. There were some like old like tree limbs and stuff that were kind of around one side of it, almost kind of piled up a little bit on the backside of where the pond would be. And he said that it would be perfect for them to just kind of like lay down there and completely disappear to any car that might drive by. And he said that it was so fresh looking, like he was convinced that that that they might have been there just a few minutes before we had got there. So they left really, really fast after they've seen that. Yeah, that's creepy. I would caution you in not going into areas like that, where you come across what appears to be very large bedding, almost like what you would see a gorilla do. Or if you go into an area and there's a ton of structures everywhere, I would be real careful going into a place like that. The aggression you got at the boat ramp, you may end up seeing it again in an area like that. And I really appreciate you coming forward and sharing the encounter. You know, I know it's not the easiest thing to get through an encounter like that. But thank you so much for coming on. And I really enjoyed chatting with you. Yeah, no problem at all. Thanks for having me on. I've really wanted to come on, but I've been a little nervous to reach out. So I really, really appreciate it. I think it's important that we talk, that we spread awareness on this. Like if you have an encounter, you speak about it right now. There's no definitive animal. It is I don't want to say anything to go into. I'm just saying, like, it's not put down. Hey, this is a Sasquatch in school. It's not taught. This is here. It's real. So I think it's important that we all give our encounters so anybody who is studying their behaviors can maybe take note of them, you know, and maybe find similarities and we can get some answers going on about what this is. I think it's important that we talk. I couldn't agree more. Thank you again, Carrie. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is west at Sasquatch Chronicles dot com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles dot com, you can become a member and get additional shows until next time, everyone. My bills are going to fall alone. The lights on, baby, you should know that you are gone. The lights on. This is my home. This is my home. Remember the beauty. I'm taking over. Cruisin' this guy. I'm a smurred. Remember what you do. So little does the human invited. 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