Toyota Reveals New Sports Car! New G-Wagon Looks Good? Buying Rare Concept Cars!

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Oh, they don't sell. They're not going to. The volume's not going to be that significant. Yeah. But yeah, they might have enough with a room. But we might understand that there's going to be, they're going to have three different models that are all somehow based on that because you're racing GT. The pictures show three different vehicles. Presumably there's a Lexus, maybe a convertible, maybe a GT3 type thing, a Sion. Nice. Thank you. Nice call that. Anyway, no one knows is the answer. Except that you listening to this. You will know. And you'll be like, these idiots. And you'll be right. But I wanted to talk about it because we are aware of it and we will cover it next week in our depth once we find out more. And then you will get our patented excellent analysis. Yes. It's exciting to see Toyota. We talked a few weeks ago about how they are, they have revitalized. They've gone from the most boring automakers. Yes. Making the most boring mid-size sedan. Yes. To actually making cool cars. And this is a good step forward. I think Toyota, certainly of all the mainstream brands, Toyota probably has the most exciting product. I even agree with that. You have separate from this car. You have the GR Corolla in other markets. You have the GR cars, which is amazing. Obviously, the Supra, obviously the BRZ, whatever the Toyota version is called. We, a Subaru guys, call only call it the BRZ. Do you know what it's called? Yeah, the TR86. There's good stuff. And then you have all the TRD Pro cars, which are also really cool. There's one on back here. Is it in shot? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, and you can't see the camel fenders from the shot. So that's good. That's a blessing. I walked by a minute ago. Man. I'm more aggressive than I ever would. That's one on the freeway coming in today in the courage you take. Wow. Oh, it's another one. That's another one. Everything about that car shocking. I think the interior is the worst thing on the open. It's great. It's Toyota in the passenger side. Then the seats, the camo seats. It's a lot. It's a lot. I was on Ferris Podcast and he said it looks like Dana White designed the interior. It's not wrong. So true. That is exactly what it looks like. That's kind of a deep cut reference. But it's true. But it's very accurate. But this is cool. I mean, obviously the LC500 is dead, right? No, but this will be sportier. Excuse me. Isn't that that for 25? No, no, no, no. The IES is dead. The IES 500 is dead. And I don't think they've announced that they're canceling the LC. They will be announcing that they're kissing the LC. By the time you listen to this, they will have announced that. That'll be big. They just continue the hybrid one. There's nobody got anyway. They're going to bury that in the announcement for this car. And LC is going by the way. But anyway, look at the GR. This seems like given the gazoo racing moniker, they of course make the sportiest term of the R4. That's a fact. It will actually be like a sports car better handling the LC500 with a grand tour. I suspect that this will be a little bit more sports focused. No, I for sure. Now, the question is, is it going to be like a super car like the LFA? No, I mean, I think this is going to be like the, I don't know, this feels more like it's going to be AMG GT, like SLS to AMG GT. Yeah. Where is this picture of what's going to feel like? Is this a Toyota picture? Because this looks a lot like an LC racekin does a Toyota, which is a cool idea. It's a 10 year, the LC came out a decade ago. So we could have sped that up a little. But well, I'm excited to see it. And we shouldn't talk about it anymore because we don't know what's going on. We will talk about it. We will give our patented high quality analysis. Next though, I want to talk about something that we can give our high quality analysis on, which is the G wagon cabriolay. Yeah. Kenan, what are your thoughts? I love that they maintain the tradition of hideousness with that vehicle. I actually think, I think, well, you must, everybody assumes you must be really thrilled about this. I have two minds. Yes. I have two minds. I said on this podcast before that I, the first off, this is a teaser shot that Mercedes Benz has finally shown a couple of teaser shots this week of the new G class cabriolay. And I had said, and they had announced a couple of months ago that they were going to do this. I had said on this very podcast that I would buy the car if it had two things. Number one, if it wasn't too expensive, because I'm worried they'll price it like a special model and it'll be 350 that summer, Dickus. And number two, if it wasn't showy in a way that I deem inappropriate. And the pictures make it seem like number two is not actually going to be a problem. This looks like a regular G550 except for the spare tire. Like it, look up. Now, wait, here's the bomb they're going to drop on us. This is actually, oh, we, they're going to leave it on. Let's pick the Vysok package on the GD forest. You can't get rid of the hideous Porsche logo on the back. Right. Well, you stuck with it. That's what it is. No, I think it's going to look great. And I actually think it'll look best in black because it'll hide the top a little. So in a sense, I want to do it because I could sell my old one. Yeah. And I could sell my Sequoia. Two cars condensed in a one, which I'm really into these days. Wow. Right. Yeah. And you will still have a V6. Yeah, which is fine with me. I love this 6 cylinder engine. It's a straight six. It's a straight six in my E-class. Is it not the same motor in this car? I should. We don't know anyway because I wouldn't be surprised if this is accompanied with a facelift or something and there's a powertrain change. But it seems like they're going to bring this to market pretty quick. Like it's, it's happening. Yeah. I assumed it would be years away when they made the announcement. But now they've already got photos. I mean, they've got an Austrian plate on it, which is worth it. Which is the old one. That's exactly right. Nice little nod there. It does just seem like they found a way to take off the roof. Yeah. It's great. It's what you wanted to be. It is interestingly, it is a two seat two row roof, which you don't ever see. I don't remember the last two row convertible. They're very uncommon. It takes an enormous amount of chassis rigidity away. I don't know. Every 911 convertible. A two door. Two door. So it's, you're right. Obviously. Because yeah, a lot of cars have, but it's a four door convertible. The Jeep leather. Very good. Yeah, but that had a roof. The Wrangler has a, it has a, the Wrangler in the bra, it's not a, it's not a power like a soft top. So, a vogue to see what they know. That's the doors. Huh? It'll be interesting to see what the architecture is underneath. There must be some cross members. There is on my two door G wagon. Well, I like that they put Camo where that hideous window would normally be. We know, then we know there will be a window there. And it's going to be ugly. And they wanted to cover it up in the photo. And I don't blame them. Top down on a four door is going to not look at very good. The reason you don't do top, you're, you know, do convertible four doors. There's a lot of reasons, but one of them is you basically have to keep the door lines because otherwise you'd have to give it up for both doors and then you have a real rigidity issue. Yeah. And by keeping the door lines, it means that even when the roof is down, you're going to have a lot of side. Yep. Yeah. Hope you like side. You can use it. I would say my suspicion is going to be that there's going to be some sort of big sunroof thing. So like you press the button once and it comes like a big. Like I feel like you're, like you're, you press it again and it's all the way down. I also, uh, what there's something I was going to say. Now the second mind of this that I am is, yeah, do I really want to drive around on a convertible? Yes. It's so like, you're ready to do. Like I feel bad for my children. You do that. You're ready to do it. Like you get to get it off at school and then I mean, the spec matters. You can't actually get black. You got to get like something like strong. You got an 1880 and you got to put on the strong of the 1980s wheels. No question. Oh, yes. No question. Yes. But even then, it's better. It's so it's such an embarrassing car. I know. I know. I know. Are they? So are they going to bring just a normal version to the US? Are they only going to bring AMG? They haven't announced that. But this isn't, this is clearly an AMG. My, my fears that they're only going to bring AMG versions to the US because they want their highest trim level model. Makes sense, especially because production is so constrained generally. Like why not sell the one that's the most variable, which then makes it even more embarrassing because it'll be very loud and I will say if they did an electric one, it would be hard not to buy it. I was noting that this does not have the EQ tire cover. Yeah, but remember, the regular tire cover is optional on the EQ car. Wait, no, the Jeep. That's right. The EQ technology G has sold so well. I know. It's been, it's been a tough run for that car, which is such a shame because it's such a car. Anyway, the G Cabrio is coming. Philippa, would you buy one if you were me? Yeah. Yeah, but you make all sorts of decisions if you were me. I, I will note that there's a bunch of companies that make convertible to you. Brabis sells one that's a Ford or one. Other companies also make a version and it looks exactly like this one. So we kind of know what I'll look like. No, it's not going to be surprising. It will be ugly. It will be, so the question then becomes, is it going to be too expensive? Could I reasonably replace two of my vehicles with this vehicle? Hard to believe. It also, yeah, I agree. What could be worse than this? It's a 5-seater. Yeah, it's a 5-seater. And why, why'd enough? That's good. Yeah. Because your G is four. My G is five seats. Oh, there's a middle seat there. The, it's interesting. In about 2002 or something. I do remember. The requirement to have all seats have three-point belts. That became a requirement sometime in the early 2000s. And for the G cabriom or Sadie's response to that was, they simply stopped offering any seat belt in the middle. So it became a four-seater at that point. Okay, I got it. So anyway, G cab, this is a big deal. This is the biggest news story of the week for the ten people that care as a huge show. No, dude, it's a lot of us. And aside from me, and maybe including me, all these people are terrible. I heard that conversation on the smoke and tire pod and you're right. I'm, it's just, how could I drive this thing around? That's the problem. Like if it solves so many problems for me. The spec matters. But it creates it. It creates the ultimate problem. I really hate driving around cars that, that look, that, that give you this, a certain the spec is that it needs to be like a very soft color. I don't think it's a soft color. I think it needs to be the right wheels. I think a random person sees this on the road and they're like, that guy's like complete. Like even if you got, yeah, you see us a quarter, I see you at E.Pro. What you think? No, car, people think I'm a man of the people which I am. No, I think you just get attention from the people you don't want attention. Yeah. Like I've got the three I've got, I've got three of them and I, oh man, it's so cool. I got four by four squared and all that. You get those like, for the first time. So they're cool. Yeah, that's true. 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Okay, so they're selling a bunch of concept cars. Can you go to the thing? Look at this. Look at this. Oh, wow. That is you written all over. I am obsessed with concept cars. I'm the only person who cares about concept cars and I am truly obsessed with the idea of buying old concept cars. I have tried many times from automakers that I work with to buy old concept cars. They always say no. That. Look at this thing. Look at this thing. There are some incredible ones. This is on the deck of the wild. Now all of these cars are sold. Billisale, presumably no van. You'd never be able to import it. You'd never be able to drive it, title it all that, which is so sad. If this was happened in the US, I would buy half these cars. The steps will be clear. I know. You know, that's a clear pick with six weeks. Six weeks. Six weeks. And it looks like, Amanda, they put that together the day before the auto show. They do. It wasn't even an auto show car. This was done purely internally, apparently to add skill to apprentice metal workers. Boy did they not have very much skills. No, this is amazing. You couldn't do this. So true. You would try to do this in your little half garage. Couple of cool ones. Go back out to the deck up. The deck up is so cool. Look at this. I want this. I literally cannot explain to you how much I want this car. And all these concept cars are going to sell for $11,000. You know the best part. The deck up just looks like a car. If you look at the interior photos, it's just a car. The interior is pretty standard, but the exterior I would not say looks like a car. I think it has a Chevy Avalanche style truck bed for one thing. Whoa. Okay, wait, go. I don't know if it's on the one you're looking at. There's also a kangoo that has a bike storage thing. Wow. Like an active kangoo. Like an active kangoo. A kangoo avalanche. Dude, this is honest. I'm dead serious when I say that more. I think I'll find that. And go to the right. Go to the right. Go to that. I'm dead serious when I say this. I am legitimately truly to borrow one of your words said that I won't be part of this. I want to do is buy an old concept car. They're selling them. This is like this week. Go one more. Look at this. Two more. Oh my god. The next photo. There you go. That's the photo. The breakup. I could have the deck up and the breakup. The one after this, the next photo on this is a notice, which is what that car was called, with similarly no changes except for the wheels. Giant sunroof wheels. Cool wheels. Yeah. Phone dials. I truly, truly, truly want nothing more than to be a part of this. I am so sad. Aren't you? Yeah, let's go. Wouldn't you drop a deck up? What is the option for a deck up? Oh my god. That looks so. Philippa, look at this. Look at that. Great. Wow. Boy, if only they had made that, maybe they wouldn't have had to. Yeah. Carlos going out of the country in a. They made weird cars in the solar system. It's not like their actual cars were that much weird. I'm telling you though, this, first off, do you agree that this looks like some sort of bison from the side? Yes. It's got like a bison look. Yes, got by. It's going on there. Can you keep going on that article and go to where you see the Clio? You know what? He does kind of have a point. You know, it looks like a bunch of it. It's front head for sure. It's front head. It does look front heavy. That is off this is there. Yeah, this kind of place. All right. All right. Leave these photos and go to where you see the Clio. The six wheeler. Yeah. Scroll down a bit. All right. And then keep going. Oh my god. What is this? Right. This is a Laguna. This looks like a Laguna to me. No, but it's a wagon that they never made. There was a Laguna, but it was trash. There was a Laguna wagon. It didn't look like this. It looks very simple. It looks very simple. With rolled, rear window. It looked for runner. Are you not familiar with the Laguna wagon? No, no, dude. You're right. You're right. The Laguna wagon. I remember that interior from the Laguna wagon. You're right. Looks like it's like from the cone heads. By the way, there's a hubcap or the passenger seat. For the rug. Well, I've noticed some stuff hanging off the bottom of some of these cars. Because the cars are never presented well. Outside of that, the Laguna wagon looked like that. No, it did. What are you going to say about the six wheel, Clio? OK, go find the six wheel, Clio. It's at the top. I think it might be a good race car stuff. They only put it right. It's the best. Like a few number of photos. Can you go through it right? This is a disaster. I know the side makes it a bit tough. Yeah. What is this? What? What? What? This isn't even AI. Go to the next picture. No, no, it does look like an AI error. It is a renovated. I don't remember the name of it. With another one stacked on top of the rear. But why are there like so many doors? I don't know. Credit to the hell. They didn't know how to make a door long. So there's like copy paste, copy paste. This is the weirdest thing I've ever painted. But you think that's only one door? If you go to this photo, it's a many doors. But it doesn't make credit to car scoops. Go to carscoops.com and find the error. Go by this. That's not fake. Wild. Philippa, we need this. It's got a motor in the front. That's why it's got a motor. Well, that door. That's where a lot of cars are. You need doors to get to the motor. When I think of French engineering, that is what I think it looks like a smattering of very confusing cars. I can't believe I'm not part of this. What is that? These are all of Russian France. I think we got to go, Doug. Oh my god. This is like this week. Let's go. I truly would buy tenet, five of these cars. I'm not joking. I would buy the deck. I would buy the six wheel pick up. You can bring them into the country. You could never drive them. They could never move. But they can live anywhere. You have to bring them in as furniture and a container. Is that what these are? Yeah, kind of. I mean, yeah, I would classify that thing as furniture for sure. This is art. Oh, right. This is French. True. That's a great point. This is up there with Monet. Of course, it is. I'd like to advance to a minute to understand. There's actually, Doug have estimates. Yeah, what's it? Give me an estimate. I'll give you an estimate. That's on all of them. 12. There's also a lot of models. I think there is no way that any of these cars, especially this one, sells for more than $12,000. There are also models of the way. They're in this vault. They ran out of space. Yeah, unsolvable or price. So it's the same transaction. Yeah. And they're looking at a space and they're looking at thinking, what can we sell? And the first thing that comes to mind, how about that car with all the doors? Really long. Thank you. And it's got half another car on top of it and an engine in the passenger compartment. That's one of the ones we ought to sell. With a few exceptions, they estimate six to 8,000 euros for everything. All of it. Any event. That feels, that is, I 12 grand. I'm right on. They do have models. We could buy some models. I truly want the six. I want the deck up more than anything. I would bring that here and I would pay somebody to get it right. The six, we have three to six, you have six, you have thousand euros. Three to six thousand euros. There's also a Renault Twingo gangster. When you think about it, you could build your own. Gain your own. You could build your own six wheel, Cleo for a price of a Cleo, which is nothing. It's nothing. And then a couple days in the shop. Some cold ones. A couple cold ones. Okay, we got to move on. This is a new straight. No one's going to care about it. But we need to move on to real stuff. People are going to stop watching. I submit for that 21X Levying Goliath, which is what that car sash is being described. Oh, it was built for a film. That we've never seen. I sure. A Ford. Yes. They probably made all the sense to the Ford. The director. They describe it as utterly crazy experience and unique unlike anything else. And I do agree with both of those descriptors. Two to four thousand. Two to four thousand. That's two to four thousand too much. Unless you need doors. If you need a lot of doors, you have whatever that car is and you need to spare doors. Your dollar per door ratio is very high. There were like 14 doors on the car. Pretty impressive. Okay. Move on to the next. Cool. Okay. This is a somber story. And this fellow has dressed in black. He knew he would be fired. This is Jerry McGovern. He was formerly the design chief of Jaguar. He had been fired. So we talked a few weeks, months ago, about how Jaguar Land Rover has a new CEO. One of the first things that that CEO has done, now a couple months in, is fire the person designed chief. He was also the guy behind the Type 00 project. He was the one. The guy that was most advocating for Jaguar's relaunch, that marketing campaign, et cetera. That's the thing. The design is not what bothers me with the car, to be totally honest. I don't love it, but I don't think that it's that crazy. It was the campaign that was so insane. At the same time, he's not wrong conceptually. This might be the path forward for Jag. You know when that campaign came out, November 19 of 24. Wow. It's been over a year. Wow. And you know what we still haven't seen? A pretty much. I will say, Jerry McGovern and Gary McGovern, I have no idea. Jerry has been there for 21 years at Jaguar Land Rover. He designed the fender that you owned. Yep. He also designed the evoke. The evoke. The evoke. The evoke is the most beautiful land Rover roll time. Hmm. Ranger or classic exist? Oh wow. I knew he was going to say classic. You're going to sit here and advocate for the Ranger or classic. I can't. How beautiful. Do you want one? Yeah. We're going to get to that later in this podcast. Have you bought a car yet? No, but it's been a week. We'll get there. How long do you think it took me to buy the 993 Turbo? It took me an hour. Me and Sean. I just didn't remember we'd go out for months. We talked about it two weeks ago. About my Mercedes in like a week. All right. Regardless, he is fired. It's a shame because I think Jaguar was headed in the right direction. But I bet that's that is the that is one of the the weird things about having a directionless company. No matter which direction you decide to take it and no one's going to like it, it seems. Maybe. I mean, I think that this car got a lot of positivity. I think the car looks kind of cool to be honest, but I don't and I don't know. I think Harry MacCuff did a video on this where you talked about how there's so many American consumers on the East and West coast that want something elected that's cool and kind of luxurious. And so it actually makes sense in a lot of markets. But I just don't I don't know. The Jag brand is just a difficult one to shape. The fact that he's out suggests to me that there's more turmoil going on than suggested. I mean, they also have had a like Jaguar Land Rover has not had a great six months. Well, well, yeah, that's true. But over the last year, it was almost pitched to us like Jaguar knows what we're doing. Like we have we're doing a rebrand. We can't have this concept. We have some ideas. And the fact that that that the chief creative officer is out makes you kind of wonder either they're going back to the drawing board about their ideas. Admittedly in this span, also the whole EV thing has failed. Not failed has significantly declined. Which has its own implications for Jaguar, which was intending to rebrand as an EV company. But then also maybe this direction isn't what they're going to do. Or maybe they're going to kill him. The surprising thing is they had no, the brand has too much equity. It does. You can't look think about MG dude. He worked at MG. This is a story every British car industry person worked at British Leyland for some period. You couldn't avoid it. This is a storied car brand just like MG, which became a storied car brand for China. That's right. You know, I'm doing a piece I'm going to know from an XK 140 and I was looking back in Jaguar history in the 50s Jaguar stood for not only speed but reliability and like toughness and beauty and it like it had all these really interesting elements that should have been a genetic launching platform for the company would then go to the E type thing came out which was also a change of the 60 change the world in the 60s. They owned the world until 19 and value to they were also like a really great value compared to Ferraris and other cars like that. Those four doors to the hands people thought they were beautiful. They were very special. So if only they could get back to there. The back of that Jaguar says winner Le Mans in 1951 1953. If only they could get back to that but I just don't know where you go with the brand to do something. It's tough. It's a tough situation. The brand has a lot of brand equity however that doesn't necessarily translate to a lot of sales just as Asking Martin precisely. And Jaguar is kind of in almost a worse spot at that. I don't know. That's a premium version of a brand that isn't doing that well themselves. Right. Precisely. That's right. It'll be interesting to see what they do. But I think I have a suspicion if this fellow Jeremy Governe who was quite successful. Yeah. Yeah. Over many years at Land Rover and at Risen and Chief Creative Officer. One thing I find weird is there's pushing him out now. Instead of there was a lot of negativity associated with the rebrand a year ago but he's still stuck around. There's a new CEO. As of two months ago. So he's rethinking the whole thing. Yeah. Which is what presumably he was tasked with. You can let the Jaguar brand linger for a while and do nothing and then come back eventually with it. Look at Bugatti. They don't sell only cars right now. Period. Bugatti is actually what? This is a good example. I would think because that brand languished for a long time. Until Romano or Tioley came back and showed us the EB110, our dream car. That's right. Yeah. Dude, another thing Italy did right. Boom. Next news straight. All right. Oh, Filippo is excitement here. This is the next generation delivery vehicle. Male truck. That's not another rental car. It turns out developed by the Alashashqor corporation. They are out. They've delivered some number to the U.S. Postal Service. They're out there around. I want you to tell you a little bit about them. About 70% of the order will be electric. The ring 30% will have a Ford turbocharged 2 liter under the hood. Ford built and a what platform? No, sorry. Alashashqor operations building at the engines and some components. It's built in Wisconsin. Built in Wisconsin. Wow. Look at you. Yep. We get an Italy story. We get a Wisconsin story. A you'll start seeing around. They are obviously the old Grunman male trucks. I've been around for forever. Yep. They apparently cost $10,000 each to maintain per year. Because they're well passed their life time. Don't they have iron duke for sale? Yes. But at this point, they're all 40 years old. The government's buy it up, used feroz. Trying to keep it running. There's a used feroz lot somewhere in Indiana that the government's pulling parts off. They obviously, they were designed to be very space efficient. But be really practical for what the USPS does now, which is less carrying letters and more carry packages. Automatic emergency braking, rear view camera for the first time. Which seems helpful. Even the EVs don't creep forward because if you're delivering mail, you want to stay stopped. Oh, there's some real thought that they won't run if you're not buckled in, which seems like something that's going to suspect we'll see some mail carriers find ways around. Yep. I see them buckling and then sitting down. No, no, no, that's that buckle that you could buy. Oh, yeah. I'm sure that it's anywhere. But they're cool. One fun fact, my understanding is that the Oshawa's corporation can sell this to other people to not just the US Postal Service, but they cannot use that duck bill front end at all for anybody else. That was the bells in collaboration with the USP. It is difficult for me to overstate a couple things. First off, I bought stamps the other day that have this truck on them. Second. Wait, really? Yeah. Yes. There's a whole, there's a whole USPS like mail town and like the whole town is like mail delivery and there's a couple of them in that you look it up. I'll give you that time. Thanks. They've delivered the first ones to Augusta and Athens, Georgia. So if you live down there in Clark County or Columbia County, Felipe, you know, then you can have your mail delivered. Oh my god, they are on it. I'm telling you. You got to pull also the old ones also on it. Is it? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to throw away that stamp. Yeah. I'll pull it up. It is just one stamp that has old two that is old. It should be looking for platypus. 250 years of delivering stamps. Mail town. That's what it looks like to me. 250 years of delivering. That's what it is. So look, it's a go to images. It's a, it's a town. Yeah, that's very cool delivery. There it is. And if you scroll in or zoom in or whatever, do you mail check? There it is. And then the top left and top, top is old one. Oh, legacy. I don't want any of that. I'm going to, I'm going to cancel those stamps. Yeah. But it's out finally. We'll see other things. By the way, they've also ordered like 9,040 transits. Do you think, you know, for a while when I was a kid, they were delivering the mail, at least in my neighborhood, Denver with Ford windstars. You used to be able to also like rural mail carriers. You used to be able to, I think still can purchase other vehicles. Look up windstarm mail truck. Can I ask you a question? And I'm serious about this. Do you think I can review one of these? Yes. Can you get me with US? Yes, please. You see your contacts in Wisconsin. Can you get me a review of one of these? Yeah. We had these all over Denver when I was a kid. Yeah. I, please, if you are with the Alshon's corporation, or, or with the USPS, send us a note. Send us a note. I want to review your wares. I promise I won't review the Duck Bill one if I'm not allowed to do some sort of complicated copyright agreement. I'll do whatever you need me to do. Or embargo. Yeah. The one thing I won't review the one thing I won't do is travel to Wisconsin in the winter. So unfortunately, we're going to wait till the spring. We're going to have to wait until the mail truck comes to San Diego, which by the way, it's a great climate for mail trucks. It is. Send us some. By the way, 120 miles of rent. That's not much. No, but presumably they did a bunch of work to figure out the average length of a vehicle. Yeah. It makes sense. I'm sure it's pretty easy. Although they do not have the, they developed it purposely so they could easily swap out batteries because they know that they will need to swap out batteries long-life. Or also like 10 years from now, if they're keeping these for longer, they'll have new battery attack. But not the fastest chargers. Well, it probably doesn't need the charger overnight. It doesn't matter, right? They probably factored all this stuff in. You go to the post office at the end of your shift, you put it in, you started this. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Is it person? Yeah. Are you thinking about getting a Grumman LLV for yourself? No. Okay, next food story. If you're a last minute shopper, I have the perfect solution for you straight out of my own expert level gift giving skills. We all have those people in our lives who are absolutely impossible to buy something meaningful for. You can't get them another candle. You can't get them another gift card. It just feels lazy. It's exactly why Aura Frames has become my go to. I'm giving a couple of them this year and the reason they work so well is simple. They feel very personal without needing weeks and weeks of preparation. You can preload the frame with photos before it even ships and keep adding to it from anywhere, anytime. It shows up already special. Plus, every frame comes in a premium gift box with no price tag. 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There's a 95 escort back there with no plates. No plate. What a picture. What is this news? This is news. Okay. The thing we talked about the G4 with the Trump administration announced today the rollback they are starting the process for a fuel economy standard. So under the Biden administration there were more aggressive cafe standards that pushed what kind of what across each company what the minimum fuel economy would have to be by 2031. It was set to 50.2 miles per gallon cafe which is different than what's on your window sticker or what your car actually gets. It has gone down. The administration is requesting that it goes down to about 34.5 by 2031. Yeah. So massively lower standards that the Trump administration has done saying that will lead to cheaper vehicles for people because they believe that the fuel economy standards were costing consumers money. Next evidence on whether that is actually true but that is today's new story. There has been some news that the EU is going to remove or relax their ban on gasoline and car as well. Yep. Interesting. This is a by the way I've been cheered by all of the U.S. manufacturers although GM less so than solantis I will say. Well GM probably has a has an advantage against some of these goods. Solantis has zero advantage against anybody on anything fuel economy related. They also have a wagon your ass. Is that even still for sale? For sure. No they've also come up with some of these but the majority of their sales are trucks that are not very fuel efficient. This will help them notably and will mean that they can continue to invest in B8. GM is also building a B8 plant. Trigger's another plant to be like clearly the U.S. manufacturers especially are responding to our in favor of this will build towards this. I don't know exactly what position we should take. I should take on this how I feel about it but I will tell you it seems to me that the people were not ready for some of the mandates that the government was setting out. There's multiple different mandates. So the trimestration when they came in to power nine months ago, ten months ago, twelve months ago. What about three months? Eleven months ago. All the numbers but the right one. Yep. Philippa. Cut all of the EV mandates. So that does one away. The cafe standards are for all the other vehicles that are gasoline powered. So that's the reason that we're using those might have the instead of manufacturers need to invest less in the next generation of gasoline engines or in transitioning away from gasoline engines entirely. Counterport to that is those better fuel economy standards mean that we use less fuel, less greenhouse gas emissions, etc. Which may have longer term impact. Yeah, obviously. Also of course less fuel efficient. You're going to use more gas and some more cost to do. There's kind of some mixed effects here. Right. Right. I mean, it's in it. And that's kind of why there's this is a difficult task. Either party necessarily has it right. There are definitely some negative outcomes in both scenarios. Yep. Also, this is not a surprise, by the way. There's not a surprise in your story. There's just four will be they've started. It will be interesting though if you also push his back there, if they're EV mandate. A lot of these things were trumpeted very, very significantly over the last five years. And a lot of these things have been rolled back. We've seen it with private automakers and we've now seen it with public government. Which is related also, of course. Trump is the only president in history who's ever had a Diablo. Yep. Would have been hard for, you know, to have a Diablo, but wouldn't have been hard for Obama. Obama, you think Obama can't go by a Diablo 300 rich. That's true, but then again, Joe had a C2. You know what he had Obama? He had a 99 to 0.04 Grand Cherokee. Wow. Is that true? Yeah. Really? Yeah, 99 to 0.04 Grand Cherokee. Good. He had a four liter. Obama had a four liter. Right. Trump's got a five seven. You know what I'm saying? A grand Cherokee four liter. Great car. Four liter straight six. That grand Cherokee. Not a bad jam. Yeah, the 99 to 0.04's had four liter straight six. That was a base engine. Two. A big 10 grand. No, look at it. Say, uh, from right. I believe that was the base. He could have had a larger, depending on the grand Cherokee. He could have had a larger range of the up. He may have had a four seven. Those are the two motors in that. Yeah, not the next one had bigger. The next gen also had a five seven. Right. And a three seven. Maybe I thought I'm thinking of. He didn't have it all five. Oh, but I had standards, dude. I think. You could only accept so much plastic isn't here. The God off. Nobody serious had an old five grand Cherokee. Right. Okay. Unless you had an SRT eight. Obama wouldn't ready for that. Okay, move on to our next new story. Football. So. Yes, what Super Bowl is coming up soon and Canada like has announced they're going to be revealing the delivery for their formula one car during the Super Bowl. So one of the Super Bowl ads. This is exciting to me for a couple of reasons. So one thing I want to clarify, they're not revealing the F one car itself. That does not happen until it's like that. Well, that might be around that time frame because the formula one calendar, we start thinking March. Wait, there's very participating next year in like two days. 20 days. 2026. That's correct. Yeah. Cadillac. Interesting. Very excited. We got to get in on this. I also say it was very apparent when I was at the Mexican Grand Prix because Sergio Perez, Mexican driver will be one of the drivers on the team. A lot of Cadillac gear everywhere. There are a lot of people wearing it. So people are excited. But I think it's very exciting for two reasons. One, there are a lot of American Formula One fans now. Yeah. When I was young growing up, I was an odd ostracized child for a number of reasons. But one was that my love of F one. Yeah, I am. Ostracized by the F one community. By the Ohio teenager community. No, people. But yeah, it was, the formula one was not common growing up. I felt like now it's so big that the Midwest has a team and they're going to have an ad during the Super Bowl. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of through. Yeah, yeah, it's. And presumably this ad will not really be touting Cadillac's car. It's not an ad for the Vistik. No, no, what is it? What if they do that in the liver? You know what they should do is that Cod famous Porsche ad where all the cars are driving through the desert. That's what Cadillac should do. All the cars. And then at the end, they all drive into a whiteboard with the Formula One liver because they can't actually drive with the car. Because that isn't being revealed yet. No, exactly. But nonetheless, very exciting. They just wanted to do this. Obviously, it's a huge ad campaign. And I think I don't know if this will push more American fans to be involved with Formula One. Oh, yeah. But I think that it is cool for me as an American having another American, I mean, hostage there, of course. But they're Cadillac. They've got GM on the grid. I'm going to tell you this. As someone who's not into Formula One at all, this makes me slightly into Formula One. So I think you said that if they did actually take part in Formula One, you would watch. I would not watch anything. Okay. But I will cheer. And by cheer, I mean, I will wait for you to text me whether Cadillac has won. I'm going to get you a Cadillac F1 hat. That's what I'm going to do. Oh, you know what? If that happens, I'll wear it on this podcast deal. Mark it. Put it in your calendar. It's really marketing because sports fans are likely like the same people that watched Super Bowl are likely to be the one that might be into Formula One. Sports, yeah. Absolutely. Very exciting. Can't wait to see it. Moving on to the next story. Ah, yes. Now you look at this and you think to yourself, that looks like an NSX. Yes, and sure enough, it is. Pinn and Freeners decided they're going to go back and revisit the NSX. And they're going to be doing a kind of a redesign. So it's going to be this is based on the first gen NSX that is a full carbon body. Okay. Six-speed manual transmission, a tuned Honda V6. Wow. All really cool stuff. They're working with JS Motorsport to build this car. And unlike the four, even with the three, five, five thing that was kind of a re-bubble, a little bit of BS and it was terrible. This actually looks like it's going to be kind of cool. The coolest thing I think is the rear of the car, the sliding treatment they did looks... The front end looks good too. I think it all looks good. Yeah, let me bring this up. Yeah, Pinn and Freeners, or the Tensei, which means birth. What? What? They're calling it the Tensei, which is a reverse. I think this is actually... This actually looks good. Can I get one of these? This is a reboot that gets one of these. What do I have to do? I think live in Japan, maybe. I have to live in Japan? I actually don't know. They have been going to ask very much about that. They got NSX as an America. We got one right over there. Apparently they have shown it to people and got started to get orders. Well, they've shown it... Yeah, they've shown it to people. No, no, no, no. They're working on it right now. They've shown not just images to people in November of Fuji Speedway. It's absolutely cool. What I did not realize is that Pinn and Freeners worked with Honda to create the NSX concept. No, it was something else. It was like the ASX guns that... It became then the NSX. Well, you say that. But in my world, only one person worked with Honda to make the NSX. Oh, cigarettes, hey, it's... Air and Sena. Air and Sena. Air to be fair to you. The 1984 HPX concept pulled it up. It doesn't really look like the NSX. And you know what? It's that. Go, wait, it's right there. It's like... Yeah, that. It also doesn't look like Pinn and Freeners. That looks like a deep... Oh, no, no, no, no. That looks like it was a Ferrari. Not the mythos, but there's the one before that. You know the one... It was white. And then it's like the fun opened up that looks so Pinn and Freeners. Needless to say, this did make production. I like this NSX Restomant thing. I love all the restomats, unlike you. I think they're all cool. I welcome them all. I just wish they were like available. Like singers, I think you can buy a singer if you call up the singer people and say, Hey, I'm a rich guy with that. You like that? Yeah. Pinnis. Yeah. That's cool. And you think you're going to make the $355? And I'll tell you something. I tell you what, it didn't make the $355 anymore reliable. That's what you're going to say. What? They did not. They did not. They did not. They did not. They did not. They did not. They did not. They did not. If the end of the day, after the glossy photos, you're kind of left with the car. Under the skin, you get in. It's probably going to be a 1990 NSX interior, which isn't really that, like if they really went the whole way, like, the singer does, that would be cool, but I bet they won't. I don't know. I don't think that would not be so impressive. If they did some stuff to modernize the interior, but nonetheless, they really have been focused on more advertising the doing stuff to the exterior of the car. Well, I think as far as execution for some of these Restomat projects, I think that is probably the most compelling one I've seen. I will be clear. I don't think they're taking antisexes and rest of money that I think they're building something new. Well, I'm down for that. Let's find out. I'm looking at the stories and it says that there's not, no, no, this is confirmed yet. It's just pictures out. Next news story, please. Do we have any other news stories? Yes, one more news story. So if you're in Russia and you had a Porsche, you, a lot of people had a tough week. So the Porsche vehicle tracking system, PVTS, in Russia specifically recently had a huge malfunction that basically had affected hundreds of customers they were not able to start their cars. Now that's a problem if you live in a cold place like, I don't know, Russia and you maybe want to get somewhere and you go to start your car. Yeah, you can't get anywhere. Kind of an irritating problem to that. You don't think this is a big deal? No, it's certainly a problem. It's certainly a big problem. It's actually something large. If they were affected by this, what other markets could be, you know, well, yeah, that's the thing that's a little scary. Some of us still drive cars that can't be controlled by robot oil. Right. Now I understand that you want to have tracking to make sure that your car, particularly in Russia, if we get stolen, you want to make sure that you can get it back. I understand that it adds a lot of value. However, the fact that the potential tradeoff of that is that you might not be able to start your car because the satellite fails, that's the real thing. Yeah, the little problematic. Yeah, it seems like a big problem. You're just, you think they deserve it? Don't you know, I don't. You think they deserve it? I really don't know. Listen, Russia's in that whole war situation from Ukraine. We're able right now. I think this is a rare time in American history. 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I want to talk, I had an incident the other day. Oh no. Kuntosh broke down again. Again? Yes. Was it also the highway or are you good to send? I don't remember where it was, but I'll tell you this. It broke down and a tow truck driver came and picked it up. It's like, awesome. And it's at the shop. And the tow truck driver said, are you sure that that little tow hook under the car can is enough to win shit onto the tow truck? And I said, yeah. Happened one day. I'm sure. So the Kuntosh was so reliable for a year and a half where you towed the two and a half years. All you talk about was this car has been problem free. Well, George Evans serviced it. Well, it was fine. I do, I will speak to that. And I think that that's what happened. The car got a big service three years ago. It three years has come up. It's literally actually three years. It was, Evans got it three years ago like this week. And I think that it's aging in now to some stuff that weren't replaced during that service because it wasn't defeated. And so you know, you're getting into that point. So the question is, do you undertake another kind of large service, maybe take the car up for another two months and replace some more stuff that's aging? Or do you start fixing stuff as it happens, which is obviously what I'm currently doing as I'm breaking down? This particular one was the clutch master and slave cylinder. Not a big deal. I've been told it's for the master and slave together is a thousand bucks plus install. It's not a big deal, but having the car be reliable is important. Obviously, the original thing, which was the distributor the first time it failed, that was also only like a thousand bucks. Not a big deal. It's just, you know, stuff. Stuff. My view on it, if you want my, you know, is that like, I think it is wise while George Evans, who's not a young man. Still service these cars is like, I wouldn't, maybe you don't, I mean, don't send it to him once a year, but maybe every couple. I'm thinking about in 27th Senate to him, see how 26 goes. I will say, you know, it's interesting that the Kuntosh gets a lot of crap. None of these problems have been Kuntosh related. The distributor is anything that can happen to any old car and happens all the time told cars. Because master and slave cylinder on a clutch. This isn't like, oh, because they, because they installed a radiator, one inch from the battery, it melts the terminals and you have to replace it every day. Like it is not that stuff. Car 42 years old. 42 years old. This stuff happens. And, and also I drive it as if it's an acceptable thing to drive frequently. Like I drive it at least twice a week and I drive it like to the post office. And like I drove a helps. It helps certain things at helps, but certain things at hurts. Right. There are some where items that actually do wear with use and some that are actually improved with use. But it's nonetheless broken out again. I, I need a new master cylinder and I was on the phone with our shop here, Gary Bobblef. And Gary said to me, he said, these master cylinders said everything was pretty easy to find up until a couple of weeks ago when Lamborghini's parts distribution warehouse was destroyed in that UPS plane crash and Louisville. Oh, what bad, well, I mean, obviously tragedy. Yeah, but the bad looks. That is the last party part. The fact that that strikes so close to home for you. He's in the buzzer. Crazy. Now, parent, I mean, if you look at the pictures from that plane crash, a lot of buildings were destroyed. And I'm not surprised. They're where their warehouses all throughout the Midwest for various companies because it's easy in the Midwest to access the East Coast and the West Coast and send parts all over the place whenever. But how about that? I wonder what was in there. Yeah. Like was there a Diablo like rear engine, what stuff go there? With the actual engines transmission. What stuff's gone? What really, I mean, all those parts are basically any part of his value. Yeah. And so what stuff's gone? He's setting get a new one from Europe, but it takes two weeks instead of it. It says instead of a day. It's a big deal. Yeah. It's no problem. Although now you have to pay tariffs on that. Probably. But it's only the private. That particular person. That's the only 600 bucks. Yeah. Is this changing your perception and your mental appreciation of the Kuntas? Not yet, because again, none of the problems that have happened have been Kuntas specifically. I know a lot of people with old cars and this happens to all of them. Like master slave cylinders, distributors, these are kind of common old car issues. Well, it's even having to have a car rebuilt. It's an old car. Stuff fowls up. I don't see how up. Well, so far in my experience, I don't see how the Kuntas has been worse than any attempting to drive any other 40 or 50 year car every day. The thing is, it's your only old car. The 993 older two at this point, that's a 30 year old car. David. But are you asking me about the Hamilton collection? No. Because. Boy, am I not. Because I've been thinking about it. I want to be really clear. I'm going to be really clear. I'm not. Okay. I want to go on a little tangent here because I've been thinking about this. The Kuntas is a little difficult to own. It's an old car. Yep. The Kuntas in collection gets on this whole thing with Christian von Konnysen. Yeah. We talked about it a little on the pod, but I was reminded of something. Oh. Hamilton collection had a Kuntas. White Kuntas. They took it to Evans, did a massive service. A year later, they sent it back to Evans, did another massive service, a year after that, they sold it. The Kuntas isn't for people who take your time. They put it together slowly. People who attained money and bought the cars that those type of people have, the SF90s and the Bugatti's, to have a Kuntas, not an EB110. To be a Kuntas owner, it requires, I mean, this thing breaks and I'm laughing. You're right. I'm not sending an Instagram DM to Christian von Konnysen's complaining, right? Like this is part of it. This is part of owning an old car. This is part of the enthusiasm that comes with these vehicles. And I think that certain people on the social media who are celebrated only, who are celebrated primarily for their financial gains and their acquisitions are not prepared to own cars such as these. And that's that. My statement I would add to that is like specifically with the Kuntas, I think, it's like that is a new expensive car. You do not expect to have to deal with issues that you deal with with the 40-shoot car. Sure do with the Kuntas. I think I don't disagree with that, but I understand why someone in that position would be frustrated by the Kuntas. I don't know. That's what really hit me, made me think about it. I think you kind of do. This is, everyone knows this is like a one warehouse, like they're doing it operation, like they're on the cutting edge, they're trying to make all this stuff. And I think if you want to go down that road as a guy with money, you're going to be disappointed because stuff is going to break and stuff isn't going to work right. If you want to go down, and by the way, Hamilton does a video the other day saying that Tesla is one of his all-time favorite car brands. It tells you where their mindsets are with these people who have big collections that earn a lot of money, as opposed to pure enthusiasm where it's like, of course, and I'll tell you, when you saw it with the Kuntas response, some of the owners were like, yeah, they break. I love my Kuntas, I wouldn't change it. And some were like, this is the worst thing in the world. And it kind of separated them based into those categories. Are you an enthusiast who is tolerant of these things? Or you rich guy go fast. Or you rich guy go fast. I will say, I think once you just turn them on a wealth, you expect that you can pay your way out of that. And I think some of the evidence every year because you think if I throw 50 grand at every year, it'll be reliable. And I think some of these guys get upset when they learn that's actually true, which requires both money and tolerance and accepting and acceptance and a capability that I think if you are used to just paying your way out of it, it doesn't provide. Which I think that comes back to a point that you've always made that when we see these cars actually being used and driven, it's like, I have so much more respect for that. Not just because the car is cool. It's hard because I know, and I know having owned an old Italian exotic car that's like, how hard it is. It's really hard. It's hard. Go to a dealer by SF90, pay 300 off sticker. Any rich guy can do that. It is legitimately hard to have these cars. And I'm here for it. And I understand that that's one of the reasons that I don't think Kutosh is really rock it on up and value. There's people are really believe that it's difficult to own. I'd rather own it and deal with the difficulty. And I'm sitting there. It's broken down and it broke down from my house actually. And I'm sitting there looking at it and I'm thinking, this is the coolest look at car in the world. Yeah. I don't want to say it's charming, but you just know it's a part of it. And whether it strikes you today or tomorrow, you don't really know, but that's kind of, it's a point A to point A car. You don't ever use it if you have to go through. Right. It's all about the experience. And I think it's part of the experience. And I am charmed by that. And I understand how there are people who wouldn't be. But I think the enthusiasts of this type of thing are. And so has it lost? Has it lost the luster? Zero. I would say I would not. Yeah. I don't want to deal with that. No, no, period. Not for you. It's like getting up things you don't want to deal with. How are you going on finding a car which you announced last week you were going to be doing? Yeah, yeah. I've been talking to a bunch of different sellers of primarily 991 and 11s. Yeah. But some others in there too. I can reach out to 991s and some others. There were some influences in our group of friends that maybe became poor advice. Going down. Boxed your out already. No, no, no. I just want to consider one. But I think a 991 base cab is what I want. And I do have, I'm in conversations with a few. One did sell for more than I thought was, was a market appropriate. So I kind of let that one go. It's going to happen a lot too. But you know, we know the market really well. We run an auction site where we know literally what we know to pay. And so I'm willing, I'm not in a rush. No, I wanted my car quickly. I want to buy a car relatively quickly. I'm not going to overpay for that privilege. I would. But there are. You know what? You know what? You know, I'm going to overpay by even two grand. That's what I'm not. You're going to. Yeah, but what you. But somebody else will. That's the thing you're going to continue to lose these new. In the market eventually. In the market, the market's going up and down. The other thing is you have to think you haven't conceptualized yet is that you were depriving yourself of the opportunity. Like the opportunity to enjoy this car at all. That's a semi-al of joy. I'm very actively pursuing it. At least he's aware. I have legitimately actively pursued it. I've been looking with a level of serogeness about a week and a half. I'm not extra- I think the assumption he's going to enjoy. I'm sorry. I thought, yes, I didn't realize the primary purpose of the sports car is not enjoyment. I do think you have to be willing to overpay maybe a little bit. I think the lurker on those cars is rising. There is a guy who's been posting on the rent-list Carrera GT section looking for a cheap Carrera GT. He made his first post in 2011, and he bumps it every couple of years, and he hadn't bumped it in five or six years, and someone replied, are you still looking? And he said, yes, this was like six months ago. The dude's been looking for cheap career GTs since they were $300,000. And obviously not quite the same situation, but if that market is rising, paying to grand over to me, I think it is rising. I think born here's looking about to get their temps. I think they are still appreciating. Looking for cheap courage. Don't be this guy. The reality in the 991 market is that there's not very many manual, then a nine. There's a lot of PDK 91 calves. I could buy a PDK 991 Cadrelay for $20,000 less than a manual cost today. They're everywhere. It's a hard to find a manual that's not the name. He's still a new thing. Therefore, that's $22,000 less than a manual cost. Therefore, the demand is higher, meaning that the market to buy that means that you have a compression of time you need to act. Wouldn't you rather buy the one that I actually want instead of one that isn't what I want? What do you want? Quickly. You need to buy it like, act. What do you want? Because if you've come up and you've rejected some for reasons that weren't last week, all you said in this podcast, you want a 991 with a stick. Yeah, yeah. So there is one for sale that is reasonable that I've not reached out to because there's no photos and the spec is not one that I'm not interested in. Now he wants to see the right spec. But which PCA thing? He is a Porsche guy. Nice spec. You got the one for that spec. I wrecked that. I wrecked that. From my experience with other cars that it would be nice if he'd had seats in a convertible selling California. You can drive top down almost any day, but it would be nice if he'd had seats. The level level of the tree. The level level of the tree. Most of them. Most of them. You added heated seats after Marcus Eurikard did you? I did. You're not if heated seats in many of my cars. Yes. In half of them you do. Yeah, but not for half. A little bit over half. Think about it. That was a cut that was a dumb ass once. There are things where I think my enjoyment of them and my wife and enjoyment of the car would be a little bit higher if I weigh the time. And so I want to do that. I just... I have... You should see my emails and texts. There are a lot of conversations about it. I'd like to review what you're saying to these people. You won't. Because I've seen you negotiate about cars before. When you clamp down. Like when someone takes a low ball or what do you do? No, there's like many conversations. I also recognize that it a market where there's... Just like in an auction site there might be somebody that's willing to pay more and that's okay. Just gotta weigh a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like I need to spend the money by tomorrow. No, if it takes an extra week, that's fine. Pursue. Acting you to pursue. And so but it's gonna end up being a 17 PDK 780 on base. Thank you. I just don't want to buy a car and think it's a different color than what I get. You know, I want to make sure I do my deal. Oh my God, that's the enormous save throw. Kevin bought a... Wow. Wow. Philippa, do you want to say it? Do you want to explain it? Oh my God, I can't believe that happened. Wow. Wow. He is throwing more shade at Ken and the Knight. I will have to bring up. I have to find it. I wish I had the picture. I probably can pull it. I will... Ken and thought he bought a Rosa Corsa for... Which for now? Look at the picture of it. Hold on, let me stop. Let me stop. Instead, I'll pull it. It was Rosa Barquette. Which is a better color, but not the color Ken wanted. No, beautiful color. If I'm honest, actually... I love it. Being a better color. But now you want to be sure. I actually agree with you by the way. I legitimately think it looked great. Rosa Corsa. It went 100% dead. I'm saying this for the joke not because I care. I would ask for the PPG label. Well, I tell you. I didn't think I had to. Philippa, I'm asking you the guy who made the PPG. Right. Right, right. I don't know. I actually know it was a Glossier at the time. It was what? Glossier. That's different. The face of the 1998 they switched to the PPG. Your... Todd, cars is that you drove a Viper. Do you want to feel us out with them? Yes, we have a Viper that's coming to... It's a more like a pro to we see in the Dougson review. It's a Gen 1.5. It is a one of the Ronald McDonald cars. So it's a... It's really cool. It's... The Cat catch up mustard. They went and built 166 of them. 166. And a lot of people swap out the wheels and people think they're ugly. Everybody. But I think they're amazing. Amazing. I agree. And I also don't think it's... I forgot they built it in three different color convoises. White with blue. White wheels. That. And I think there's one more. I think it's silver with... Yeah, they're... That's so... I forgot about that. They're three. Yeah. I remember... When I was a kid, I remember seeing pictures of these when it first was launched and thinking that is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And I have to tell you, I have been in love with that color combo my whole life. I have never seen a Ronald McDonald Viper until it showed up in the show. I totally agree. Even living in the Midwest, I had not seen one either. But it is... So I drove this car just around because I whenever the car showed up for dog, I like to go and shake them down a little bit, just make sure they're okay. And I have to say, I loved the way that drove. I was shocked at how much I liked that car. And I just reminded that I really, really, really, really, really want to first gen. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying it already, but like, I've like, I can't stop looking at that Viper. Is it? It's more behind Doug and it is the coolest looking thing. We're selling the SL65 at the end of the day? No, not yet. You can't compromise on his manuals only stands for 30 days with an SL65. No, I'm going to hold on the SL65 for a little while. There's some other things I have to, I want to do with it yet, but... They are such, that's the most different you can get with boss still having a convertible. Yes. Well, you get a G-Wack convertible. No. Yeah, you get a G-Londale. I can't get a Crosse. That's more like a bike ride than the SL65. That's pretty different, not even a car. I don't know. That's a Barquetta. I sure. The gen 1.5 was a bike ride. Yeah. Gen 1.5 fascinating car. Well, the 1.5 is interesting because we have the body of the first gen, but... Which someone's argue is also the body of the second gen? Well, let's be clear here. It's a second gen car. But the roadsters were beginning and when they... Once they went to the... To the ride pipes. The rear exit exhaust, they were gen 2s. To Viper people. To the community, they called it 1.5 because... We... The coupe then became... The gen 2s. We collectively agree there's only three generations of Viper, gen 1, gen 3, and no 5. Of course. But it's... It's gen 5 is the third gen Viper. Correct. It's very confusing how to keep up with, but you figured out eventually. It's very odd because it still doesn't have exterior door handles. No. And I guess it still has the window... It's got quiet out. But the other second gen Vipers do. You know what it's got? Confedient. Ronald McDonald. Yep. It looks so cool. But what are they thinking? It's hard to see, by the way, but they're red. Are there yellow accents inside too? No, just red accents inside. But they're not attractive. I mean, I want to be clear. I don't find this car to be attractive. No. Nonetheless, I want it deeply. Exactly. I don't know why I like it so much. Because it's absurd. As these cars age, their speed becomes less important. And the absurdity and the experience and the overall feel is what's exciting and this car hasn't drove. Yes. And our producer drove the car and he said, if you were into these cars, you must have been dropped on your head as a child. And I must have been because I think that they're so... I just don't forget that he's got a bad color, Jew Wagon. He's got a bad color, Jew Wagon and a silver tip frog. But I think that one of the things about the Vipers, it just is crude. And it doesn't pretend to be anything else. It's kind of honest in the way that it is. And that's what makes it fun. It's big engine, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive. Yeah, as you say. But I love the car and it's... I hope you get one and I can't believe we're selling the S-O-65. I'm not selling the S-O-65. Yes, I'll be gone by Valentine's Day, mark my words. My Valentine will be Kenan in a Viper. I'm not saying it's going to be gone by them, but I still love the car. To move on to the market report which is brought to you by Philippo's Draclas. Trade coffee. Wouldn't you find this? We've received it. They say that to us. So I'm trade. You're welcome. The market report is actually brought to you by the Kia Stinger, which is the subject of J-Smart. Oh, yeah. Are you aware of what's happening in the Kia Stinger market? No. These things are cheap. Whoa. Cheap. Are you surprised though? It's an amazing car. Yeah. But it's the best car I've ever owned. Wow. No, but it's top... I found 37 cars. It's top 27. Whoa. And yeah. Really? And the fact that they are... One of them was a second gen Prius. And by second gen, I mean, gen 1.5. Nice. Nice, well said. These are... Come on, these cars are starting to get into the high teens, low 20s. I know, those are 20s. This is 365 horsepower if you get the GT2, which we would. Right. I can't tell you what it adds. You're thinking about... No, it's a great car though. How often do you wish that you hadn't committed to a Porsche because you're finding out other cars are good deals and you could have had them instead? No, I'm not interested. You don't want these? Do you ever drive mine? No. I love the car. He still may end up with this to be clear. He doesn't have a Porsche yet. I love different cars. GT2. Yeah. I think it's a phenomenal car. I'm not that surprised at their cheap, but I am surprised by how cheap. Yeah. These things are drive so wonderfully. 28. I think that the low 20s... They're an ice interior good tech. And I'm telling you, the steering is great. The powertrain is one of the truly one of the best powertrain in any car I've ever owned. I love this engine. I'm sorry, Kyrgyz. No, this is the best. The V10 from Formula One is the best. It was never used in any F1 car. Yeah, but it was designed. But it... Yeah. And he could build something out of play don't say it was designed to look like whatever. Listen, listen, listen. I'm just... I'm sorry. I won't toy. My hero, Ertten Senna won the Phoenix Grand Prix in 1990 with a derivative of this car. He basically... They've... Porsche built the car, GT. They've derived it. He drove through downtown Mesa. Past the Mesa City Hall at 250 miles an hour in the Carrera GT, a sort of an early version. A different driver drove a different car with a different engine that's not that one. You're getting your footwork history all wrong. But Mesa City Hall was there. That's the only part of that story that is actually here. I don't think it is. The racetrack though is the Phoenix Grand Prix, which is a real thing somehow. The racetrack was... Yeah, I know. I know. I agree with you. It's sad that they're not doing it anymore with the Carrera GT, but maybe we can bring it back. We have one after all. Let's have him close the street. Let's go. Go to Arizona. 225, past the Mesa City Hall. Stinger GT, one of the... What a deal. It's a great bike. I also want to talk about the smart crossplay market. Yeah, please. I get a text today from Supercar Ron. Yeah. Supercar Ron. He's a nice fella. I actually legitimately like Supercar Ron a lot. I drove his Aston Valkyrie. Shambat is. F40. Yeah, his F40 got hit by some guy. And he texted me and he says, I was bidding on this. And I can't believe it's hold for $51,000. Yep. And I told him, go back to the... I told him, I said, we've actually had five of these. They all sell for stupid money. And I'm not surprised at all. In fact, I was the highest bidder on this one for a long time, or maybe that one. And then I had to let it go because it had gotten too much for me. No. And he said, I really wanted it, but I wasn't about to pay 51... I'm just here to tell you, the smart crossplayed market is strong. The market is consistent, too. A thousand miles, $55,000. More than a thousand miles, $38,000. There's no smart crossplayed that has more than 2,000 miles. 15,900, buddy. Well, that one didn't have a title. Don't forget. Fine, 5,500. Well, right. So the spread for miles from these is between 0 and 6,000. And so the spec is the same. So the market values the low mile car. Right? That's the only distinguishing factor. What? So hard to agree with that. I don't know. I don't know. 5,500. Oh my god. I don't know. 950. Anyhoo, we sold another one for 51,000 miles. We are the place. We have never seen one for sale anywhere else. Well, if we have no other claim to fame, we are the place to smell, to sell your smart. I can't believe the fellow trying to sell this, put him Mercedes-Benz license plate on the... He's proud of his heritage. He should be proud of the fact that he's driving a smart crossplay. Forget about Mercedes-Benz. I would want nothing to do with them if I had this car. Anyhoo, these cars are going to be legal in two years. Will you import one? I'm not committing that. Especially for 51. I guarantee that's what they sell for. Yeah. So if you've never seen them for sale, you've never been to Centro pay and the summer these seem to be... I've never seen a littering sidewalks with for sale signs on them. I don't think I've... That's right. That's what... Yeah, that was my fighting memory of the South of France. My friend Ryan did see one. I did not get to see one. I've seen a couple. You're old. Can we talk about the 1977 and the 1970s and the 1970s and the 1970s? What's that? Well, we sold the 1977, 1971 that a dude spent 12 years building in his garage. I remember that. It's a very cool story. Very cool story. It's sold this week from 128,500. Yeah. What's the story? You cannot add value by doing something in your garage. Well, I mean, yeah, you got to wait for it. 12 years in cold ones. Yeah, a lot of cold ones over a lot of years. So what's the story? My understanding was that he always... He wanted to build some crazy car that was like this. That was his ambition for his car. It took him... You saw it say 12 years ago. And so he just in his garage just started doing all of this. That's incredible. It looks great. He did it beautifully though. Now, when you say that, it's like, okay, it seems like it'd be hacky. I don't think so. I mean, granted, the looks are up to you if you like them or not. But the fact that someone can put this car together and it looks this finished is very... No, it looks like a factory racing car. Yeah, this is somebody that's like a guy who has a car. Fabricating stuff himself and making stuff. So I mean, this... It's almost a little bit more art than anything else. I mean, look how clean the installs and stuff is. Like, although admittedly, I'm not you and I are not the biggest supporters of modified cars. And actually, you aren't either, for that matter. This is really impressive. It's a well done car. It's done well. It's pretty cool. And the fact, I mean, then it brought serious money that I don't really recognize the specialness of the build. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that I have to give my credit words to you. I think that this is a really impressive car. Beautiful car, beautiful build, did really well. Thrilled we had in the hands of the electric. Exactly. I'm really touched when people bring those cars to us. It's not cool when the person that built it sells it. Yeah. Three owners from now, if unfortunately whoever buys it doesn't keep it for long or whatever. It will lose its value. Yeah. Because they won't know why they made that decision. The seller here knew exactly what he did, why he did it, and could speak to that. And that made it really a cool off. Honestly, it's documented. A lot of the comments, like it's nice to have this... One of the great benefits of our site is you can look back on this. It will be attached to this car forever. Yeah. I think it's very cool. It's cool stuff. And it's also important when the builder of a BMW wagon with a Mazda Rally 4.7L V8 swap sells that. Totally. 100%. You see this? Yeah. Point of grain by the way. That's pretty cool for 28. Totally. I mean, it's a ridiculous thing. And who knows if it's going to be reliable even in the slightest. No offense to the builder of this. The components that went into it were not reliable when you. Well, there's a Nissan. There's a Nissan manual transmission. That one has your right. Sorry. The Mazda transmission is actually pretty solid. It's not a Mazda transmission, it's a main engine. Our engine is free. Yeah, that for sale. That's true. And presumably when it was out, he probably did some work. I didn't really look that good. It looks like it's easier to service than this than a Mazda Rally. Cool. It's hell. I love a good built. Even though I'm not a modern car, I love a good built. Okay. We got to move on to the questions. Yeah. The questions are sponsored by Kenan's selling the SL65. I'm not selling the SL65. If you want to buy Kenan's SL65, you send us an email at Sean at carsandbids.com. That's S E A and at carsandbids.com. Right. Right. You send us an email there. You make it offer. It's going to be like eBay. No. You know, or carsandbids. Something like that exists. I'm not selling the SL65. I still very much enjoy the car. It's going to stick around for a while. However, I do want to buy. If someone popped into Sean's email at 40, are you thinking about it? No. No. No one day if it goes, it'll be on the site. Okay. We have some great questions this weekend. And I also want to remind people to ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com. Go to the community tab. And then there's a post there that says questions, questions, questions. And you post your questions. We need questions. We've 490, how many times that's weak? Give us more this week. We thrive on it. I read every single one and I rounded up what I consider to be best. I will also say if we have not gone to your question, one of our holiday specials should. We're going to do a lot of questions. A lot of questions. So the guy shot. First question from Thomas R3818. Somehow this was the highest-upvoted question. Doug, you don't make it a secret that you film at least partially. You film at least all of your videos in the San Diego Zoo parking lot. Now that they've announced parking will no longer be free. That's the great point. That's the great point. We'll be on the hunt for a new filming spot. Yeah, what I'm going to do is I'm going to expense my Zoom membership to the company. I think this is actually great. I'm going to be like, oh god, he's expensing more crap. There is a separate monthly parking membership, but it exists. It's not about that. No, no. I'm expensing my whole Zoom membership. And your family will get to enjoy it. We win for everybody. We will not only see baboons. But I will be able to for free film my videos. Because to be clear, the parking thing is only for one car. You can't switch it from you. You have to make use of it. I haven't read any of this. I've read into the game. They give you a sticker or something. They don't give you a sticker. They buy the license plate. So I guess you took the license plate. I'm going to put it on each car you review. It would be the same. But like they're for one car at a time. I looked into this because I'm. Well, I got to figure out what to do. I don't know what to do. I'm very nervous. I will tell you they claim January 5th. But it's December 5th already. And I've been over there. It was over there yesterday, every other day, basically. And there's no infrastructure set up to. To take blood number payment. Oh, by the way, here's a great parking payment story. Okay. I was in DC. I don't know six weeks ago. And I go down to the mall there. You know the mall. That's not the shopping mall. No, not the shopping mall. The national mall where they have the capital, the Smithsonian, that Washington Monument. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. Very powerful. The Trump fellow would live. Anyway, I'm down there. And I street park. It's pretty easy. Yeah. It's not a problem. It's just during the government shutdown. There was no one there. The government was shut down. I park the car. Who closed the car? And there's kiosks. Yeah. And when you start, I swear to God, this is what I'm about to tell you, I took a picture of it for you, in fact. Thank you. When you start the kiosk, it's managed by the National Park Service, the kiosk. Yeah. But it's just a little electronic kiosk. And you're in first choice before you pay for parking. And it says, would you like to number one, pay for parking? Number two, make a donation. It's incredible. I'm like, I certainly don't want a donation. So if you ever wanted to make a donation to the park service, you could write them a check, mail it off, or you go down to a parking kiosk in DC, and you can make your donation right there. Not sure how tax deductible that one. Right. Yeah. Fascinating. That is, wow. Do you think anybody ever makes a donation? No. They should have parked their car. Right. And they want to get through the park quickly as you can. Yeah, it's such a good time before we go. I'm going to make a quick donation. You know, that was it. I already parked my car. I came back to the car. It was so nice. I'm going to make it. But they had offered. I guarantee the only people who pressed that press it by accident, and they're then I rate that that their $5 is not paid for parking. Yes. Did you pay? Even though presumably no, no, no. The parking enforcement is not. No, I made a donation. That presumably the parking enforcement is not necessary. Right. That in itself was probably a donation. Next question from Adityara, something, something. This is a good question for you. And I know what your answer is going to be. And I only left it in for you. If you had to have a two car garage with the same engine in both cars, what would it be? Formula One. C8, N3905. Yep. That's pretty easy. I'm already. That sounds good to me. Hi, garage. No, that's actually, that's the goal one day. I have a Formula One car in a car, an GT. Well, I'd imagine a Formula One car for you. That's it. That you guys are of an intolerable. I stand by the car. I just have a Formula One car. Aaron said it. They want to be the winner. They want to be the winner. They want to be the winner. Aaron said it won the Fiat Strenpy. We in the Carrera GT. You different bodywork. Slightly. Different bodywork. God, it's like a thing. What up? There's a lot of good options. W-12 Bentley. I mean, you would get a W-12 Bentayga in a Continental flying spurs speed. SL65 Black Series in the G65. Ooh. You could do it. I was trying to go more quirky. Oh, like, I go. Every car, like a super and a grenadier, which both use BMW engines, the same BMW engine. You know, you can do an F-15 Formula One car. That's an actual Formula One car. That's what you do. That's what you do. It's been sort of the SP. Two carglars. How about this? A Saturn V-Red line and a V-6 Accord. But remember, you didn't have to get the red line to get the Honda V-6. I know, but I won the red line. What do you think I have? Curl. You can have a Corolla in a lease. Yeah. Corolla SRS, which was a DM cool car. A Navura on a Santa. Yeah. That is a good one. That's a good one. Can I pause it a different one? Especially for you, a single man. S2000. And an S2000. No, it's a different engine. Oh, that's true. Oh, there's a slightly enlarged side. There are actually a lot of good options. All of which have been said. But I agree with you, Claire. By the way, the correct answer is probably the Mercedes-FORLITER AMG V8. Which is in, you could have an Urus on the RS6. You could have a Panamaran. It's been in every car. With the V-Cuyah. Ten TDI from the twergin the Q7, anything good? Besides the twergin the Q7? I have a suggestion. Just get the twergin the Ten TDI and no other car. That's all you need. All you need. Or that too. V10 TBI and no other car. That's all you need. That's all you need. All you need. Or that in a second engine because you'll need the parts car. Okay. Next question from foe 59. I only put this question in because I want to address one of the underlying assumptions. I don't want to actually play and answer the question, but you can. What were some of the most unusual or unexpected daily drivers of the supercar and hypercar owners that you've reviewed? I never would have guessed a Toyota Sequoia for someone with a Kuntosh 4GT, Couragey T930. I don't daily a Sequoia. Okay. How did you describe it? I don't know, but until I drove this car to the office this week, I haven't drove this car in so long. It's there's cobwebs everywhere. I don't want to use this car. That's the underlying assumption that I'm attacking here. But if you describe it to somebody, you would say, I have a couple of daily's and my sports cars. The car I use the most is a convertible G. That's what I, when people ask me, that's what I say. Because I don't want to say Sequoia because I don't want them to know. And I don't want to say 9N3 Turbo because I don't want them to think I'm an Irvents flat. And you don't want to say E-Coffe-Fyton because, well, that's my wife. But yeah, that's what I do say. I haven't Mercedes station wagon. What's it to you? I've been driving on Mercedes station wagon. It's so good. I know. I didn't drive it for months for some reason, but it's so good. I knew a couple people. There was one. I knew he had a bunch of supercar owners daily. There was a mini GP2. That was actually pretty cool. He wanted the harshest car to be the daily. Yeah. I mean, he liked Supercar so. Supercar. It was more relaxed than his F40 and his F50. So it's all inspection, Fleefein. I think I knew someone. I'm trying to remember a bunch of weird toys. A lot of clients. I know a lot of people who have like, I'll tell you the weirdest. The most surprising to go along with the question, even though I swore I wouldn't answer the question. Years ago, I reviewed a Bugatti EB110, the Ramano RTO-Oli, our Italian man. And the guy who owned that EB110 kept it and hang it at the Santa Monica airport with a collection of supercars that is indescribable. He has sent sold all of them. But he had every single supercar. He had a F40, a F50, a F4 GT, a new old 4GT XJ220, 959. I mean, I was in this, I've never seen like it before. MC12, everything was sitting in this collection. And I reviewed his EB110. And we had lunch together. He was the nicest guy and his son was there and they were both wonderful. And after I, during lunch, I said to him, we had bento boxes. Oh, nice. And I said to him, I said, you know, you got all these incredible cars. I mean, it was, it was like every supercar we ever talk about. Yeah. Kuntosh Diablo, all the XJ220. Yeah, he had an XJ220. And he said, I said, what are you daily? What's your daily? And he looked at his son and he said, what year is it? The son was like 2001, just in two. He was like, yeah, it's a 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser. Wow, no kidding. Dude, just has a hundred series. Thank you. Okay, next question, next question, next question, next question, next question. Oh, this is a good one from Palai Guy. Hmm. Dear Doug, when I asked you about the new Tesla Model Y about eight months ago, you mentioned that you weren't reviewing. I thought you weren't reviewing because you don't like Elon anymore. Did I ever? Hmm. You answered the pot. It was simply because cars were not on the road yet. But since then, there are a lot out there and still no video. So I have to ask again, why haven't you done it? Do you not like Elon? What about that? Why haven't I done the new model? I don't know. Get me a new model one. I mean, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. I think I missed my chance. I think you missed your chance. I wasn't paying attention and they're gone now. It's one of those weird cars that they just come out so quickly because not that much lead up, Tesla just starts to do with them. They don't really have a PR department where they're trying to get more coverage of it. And then they're just kind of everywhere. This is the thing. I got it. Did I not? I got into the Cybertruck because we ran on Toro. We got into the Model 3 because Tesla PR did reach out to me. I assume Tesla has laid off all their PR people as they had at various points throughout their existence. So they're probably not reaching out again. Flippo, do me a few more. If so, go on Toro and find me a new model Y. And I want to review it so Palagi can be happy. I have nothing against Elon. Nothing more against Elon than I had against him two years ago. So many model wise. A new ones on. Yeah, I've actually checked the truth. Get one in the office by this time next week. Done. Akonto. Anyway, and that video will go up sometime in April. It's a little backlog. Okay, next question from Tressel Point Motors. Auction question. This is for you. Any thoughts on adding a reserve off slash reserve reach slash reserve lifted or whatever in a prominent location once the vehicle reaches the reserve coming off? Five thoughts on that. There have been a few times when I missed it in the comments with sale. Our general opinion, our opinion, you can do whatever you want. Yep. But we asked you. We advise, however, you can do whatever you want. People bought the Chevy Avalanche. So you can do whatever you want. It's a great truck. The split tillgate. I know. Great. Or the big eight. Jesus. And they did a 25 hundred. They did. But we have found that when you announce the reserve is off, it kills bidding. That's what we have found. Now, it's a different story. People say this. They ask us this question a lot because it bear a Jackson. There was like, oh, reserves off. They don't do that. Bear Jackson is all no reserve. But it me come. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, reserves off. You know, and but in that situation, it's a bunch of drunk excited people in a room. And the reserve going off adds to the excitement. When you're in one of our auctions, what we generally find is that announcing that turns the tide a little bit, people think that they're overpaying. Yeah. That it's like, oh, the reserve is off. I must be paying too much. I have watched repeatedly over and over and over again. When reserve comes off and the seller announces it, bidding stops. Now, if you want to do it as a seller, you're welcome to it. If you think as a strategy, it works for you, then do it. It's by all means you're welcome to and we have sellers who do do it. But I wouldn't. I agree. I agree. I agree. I see it in yourself in the foot. Yep. There are probably some exceptions that give us a lot of conversation about, oh, there's no chances, me to reserve. You're like, no, actually, you're getting there. You're getting there. You're getting close. You're getting close. You're getting close. Yeah. I think that's what people have been like, I would have bid if I had known it was going to sell. She's also saying just bid. Just bid. Well, then work with you if you're the underbitter to put a deal together. If it doesn't, you reserve. Bidding is the one you want to end up the high bid. Right. Also, a lot of people who will comment on that, but it's like, no, should have been. Should have been. I think that our general advice and our experience looked to watch in thousands and thousands of these is just when, if you're a seller and it passes the reserve, keep that information to yourself, celebrate on your own, but just let it keep chugging along. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Final question. This one is from Porky Polak. Oh. Doug, you've said multiple times that you buy all your cars in the press launch spec. To my knowledge, you've succeeded in all cars. Besides the 4GT, any reason, besides available, you want blue instead of red with white stripes. The 4GT is an interesting situation. There weren't ads for the 4GT. There was only one ad ever for the 4GT and it was a super bowl commercial with a car with red car with white stripes, but there were no other ads and that was it. However, there were three press cars, three 4GT press cars and they had a red, a white, and a blue. So when you read all the magazine tests from that era and actually when you look at all the press photos and stuff, the pictures are actually evenly distributed between those three colors and the magazine hero cars are distributed between those three colors and Ford never really had an official kind of launchy spec of the car. I still think white with blue stripes is the best looking 4GT. I think Heritage looks like a clown. No, just again. I agree. And I actually do not love the midnight blue with white stripes, but the market has become obsessed with it. But regardless, to me, any one of those three is sort of the press spec because the three press cars were those three colors. And I bought my car from a journalist who was there in period who bought the car new. And he remembers having those 3, 4GT press cars on track at the launch, the red, the white, and the blue. And then they made their way around to magazines and you can see tests with all of them if you read all the magazines. And I have every single 4GT magazine. Do you? They were Carl collected them. And I got a stack of 05 4GT literature. You ever want to read a 4GT comparison? I do actually. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to read that. Shout out to Carl R. I want to see. I want to see. It's interesting. I've always been like, what do I do with these? And now it's easy to say that maybe I'll read them. So we put you got any final word for it? We're just talking about our experience in options. I looked it up. We have had 33,000 options then. We have 33,000 options and we've sold 200, excuse me, we've sold 725,000, 725,000 dollars worth of cars. 725,000. So we've seen a few off. 33,000. And yet people still take better pictures. You're an idiot. I'm not taking better pictures. I'll go to my grave. It'll be on my side. I realize Kevin Rolson, he asked to take better pictures. Oh my God. That's all I got. Be number 33,000 and something. Next week. Next week, Felipe is going to have a 9991 right here in the office. We'll see. No, we will not see. No. I wouldn't. Things move quick. No, they don't. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Turn it down. Things can move quickly. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.