A Life with UFO's

Life can feel overwhelming, but you don't have to go through it alone. On my podcast, From the Heart with Rachel Brayton, I share openly and vulnerably about everything life brings us and what we can learn by living with our hearts a little bit more open. Every Friday, a new episode brings you a new story with topics on self-care, motherhood, healing, and more. You are enough, just the way you are. This podcast is a reminder of that. Follow and listen to From the Heart with Rachel Brayton wherever you get your podcasts. Hi there, I'm K-Town, and on this edition of Mysterious Radio. I was 18 years old and it started back in the day. In 1975, when I was married to my first wife, we were fishing night time fishing on a lake right out of Cumberland, Wisconsin, which is the central east side of Wisconsin. A little bit about me, I grew up in St. Paul, Minnesota. I now reside in Phoenix, but I grew up in St. Paul. I was born in 1956, I'm about 64, got four beautiful sisters and one funny older brother. A typical Catholic family, we were actually a small Catholic family. There were nine people across the street, ten next to it, just right down the street from the church. So I grew up with a lot of ethics and that kind of stuff, and have enjoyed my life pretty much. Very good. Now, growing up, were you already predisposed to the UFO phenomena or no? Well, no, I didn't have, I loved UFOs. I knew they probably existed. I was with everybody in front of the little 19 inch screen, watching Buzz Aldrin and that step on the moon and knew that there had to have been something much more out there than us. All right, now go ahead and take us through that first sighting because this particular one happened to you at Pipe Lake, correct? Yes. All right, so what happened that night? Well, there was a time that I started dating Roxanne Cleveland and after a few months in fall of 1974, going into the spring, she said, you know, my mom and dad own a cabin and I haven't been up there in years and she said, why don't we go sometime? And the next weekend came along and we were babysitting her younger brother and I had this urge to go. I just got to go to this cabin and check it out. And it's about 110 miles east, north northeast of St. Paul and it's an easy drive. We get up there and it was probably eight or nine o'clock at night and I just have this feeling I've got to go fishing. Normally we do daytime fishing but I was, you know, just driven to get out there on the lake. So we get in my little teeny 14 foot boat and you know, throw all the gear in there and then we troll around the lake very slowly. You use a little electric motor, you know, on the back of the boat and everybody throws their lines in and then you troll around and we were trolling around this beach and Roxanne yells to me, Raymond, what's that? And she's pointing up above the tree lines and I look over, we all did, and there was this ball of flames rising up and I thought it was rising up out of the forest but it could have been rising up out of the, you know, the access road. It kind of snakes through the forest there and I thought it might have been, you know, one of those big Chinese lanterns and I was like, all right, who's going to be lighting the Chinese lantern at nine o'clock at night? Then I was like, well, maybe we have seen a hot air balloon that was filled up one day, you know, many months earlier where a guy was doing it out of a field, a dead corn field and so I thought it might have been a hot air balloon but I'm again, I heard no noise, no sound, no nothing and I was doing everything I could to not say the U word as in UFO but then I said, Roxy, I think that's a UFO and the minute I said that, the instant I said that, it stopped and Roxy looks at me and she said, did that thing just hear us? And my heart started pounding out of my chest and Roxy and start screaming, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's get out of here. We were terrified. It wouldn't have been so bad if it was passing overhead or if it would have just kept on going but when it stopped after I said that, that really freaked me out. Life can feel overwhelming but on my podcast From the Heart with Rachel Brayton, we're in it together. Every Friday, a new episode brings you a new story with topics on motherhood, wellness, self-love and more. Listen to From the Heart with Rachel Brayton, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and I just pulled on that cord and the motorist passes I could, I screamed for everybody to get their lines in quick. I didn't want them to wrap around the motor at the bottom and get stuck out there and, you know, get abducted. That's what I was really afraid of. We're all going to get abducted out of this boat. So we finally made it to the shore. Basically, I slammed into the shore and we all jumped out and we ran up the hill to the house or to the cabin. Brian, the little kid, ran right to the back bedroom and under the covers he stayed. I, on the other hand, was very inquisitive. I was thinking, you know, maybe I shouldn't be that terrified of this thing. So I had a couple of beers and I made my way down the hill and inched my way out to the end of the dock, looking everywhere. Again, I thought it was there. I thought it could have been above the cabin. I didn't know really what to think and at that time it was gone. And I was elated that it was gone and I was bummed out at the same time. Because I wanted to see really what this thing was. Yeah. Well, you know what? I can't really blame you. I mean, because that's that strange that it stopped as soon as you said that. So I would be thinking that's, you know, the same thing. Like, did it just hear what I said? So now, did you have any subsequent sightings after that one at Pipe Lake? No, no, no other sightings at Pipe Lake. And that's the other thing about having a life with UFOs. I'm sure your listeners are going to think I'm crazy. How can this guy have all these sightings? And I've had 20 up to this point. The last one being June of 2019. But the nice thing is, is most of the sightings come with witnesses. I've been married three times and in three instances, plus my kids have seen it. In three instances, two of the wives have seen their own UFOs. So I have witnesses, you know, primarily have witnesses with me while it happens. Well, you know what? I don't think you're crazy. I do believe there are certain people that for some reason, these objects are maybe attracted to them or they just have an ability to see them all the time. Or maybe you just notice them all the time. But, you know, I've had quite a few and I don't know why it is now. I think maybe because, you know, I do do this show and I talk about it so much. But I do notice a lot of strange things all the time. And sometimes I'm outside and I'm amazed how no one else sees it. Or unless I take them outside, you know, many times I've had to bring my own son outside and like, have you ever seen anything like that? And he's like, no, I mean, we have both witnessed some ridiculous stuff. I mean, it's just unreal. But I do believe people will notice more if they just look up, you know, maybe not being their phone so much because there is some strange things happening, you know, in our skies. So let's move on to another one. Well, before we move on, let me ask you something. Is Pipe Lake an area known for UFO sightings? I mean, have you been keeping up with that at all? No, the Pipe Lake had I nobody else that I know of witnessed that. I've never ever heard anybody else witnessing any other type of UFOs up there. While I was going up there, I stopped going up there about 12, 13 years after that, because rocked and I've got a divorce, but nobody else thought and you're absolutely right. I have been standing in front of a 7-Eleven having a cigarette and, you know, during the day on a very busy street at noon in Phoenix. And me and another guy are the only thing that sees the UFO. Nobody else did. Yeah, that's just really strange. You know, I don't know what it is. I just noticed things all the I'm constantly now, you know, since I've seen so much, you know, in the past few years, I'm always looking up seeing something weird or strange. But it never fails. No one else is ever around me to see it unless I'm actually I go physically get them to go see it. You know, no one's no one else is already outside looking at the same thing is what I'm saying. Now, one thing I want to tell you about your book here, Ray, that I really love is you did take the time to do like illustrations and take pictures of the areas where, you know, all your sightings occurred. So that was really good because I love seeing the aerial view of Pipe Lake and you, you know, they have the arrows there and where everything occurred and you have the little fireballs or little red star you call it here where, you know, you actually had that sighting. So that's very, very good. I commend you for that. One thing I do want to talk about is, and I know that you're not going to always be prepared. No one is. But have you gotten and I'm looking through your book, but I don't see any. Have you been able to get your own photographs of some of these objects? No. Okay. No, and that's that's one of the problems. If it happened, you know, every month, of course, I'd have a cannon, you know, drake around my neck. But since it's been happening, you know, sometimes 10 years between sightings, two years, you know, and you're just doing normal life, it's very difficult. Uh, plus, you know, the phone camera option didn't come in until way late. And there's half the sightings are at night. And the day sightings weren't during a time where I had a cell phone camera. Well, let me give you this one example of a sighting. And for your readers, I'll tell you the book has a sighting of me in my backyard. You'll see that on the front of the book. And that sighting happened very early in the morning, but it was light enough to be able to see the UFO. I didn't have my camera then. And this UFO, and it was a black, flat black triangle. And it was heading my way. It was going to go directly overhead. And as I was staring at it with my binoculars, and I, that's what I use binoculars a lot, I was looking really close to the tip of it. And I was seeing this red light on the underbelly. And just as it was coming my way, I said, Oh my God, I forgot my cell phone, I'm going to run in and get it. The instant I said that it took a left turn and another left turn, and it was gone. So they want me to see them. They want me to have witnesses. They haven't abducted me as far as I know. And on a side note, I'm not going to get hypnotized to find out if I have been or not. I'll leave that alone. But as far as I know, no, I haven't been abducted. They want me as kind of an ambassador, I guess. You know, I'm nobody special. I'm just like you. It just happens to be that they're showing themselves to me. And the nice thing is, is they'll, I get this feeling, you know, like you're driving down the car, driving down the road, and you feel somebody staring at you. That's the feeling I get. That's when I know that I need to look where they are. And boom, like above the 7-11, I looked straight up. I mean, I could have looked anywhere. I had that feeling of being stared at, but I looked straight up and there was a bell shaped dull silver UFO, a single size craft. So I had that feeling. And what was it doing? It was just hovering about 150 feet above the 7-11. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is cool. And I didn't have a strong feeling of being stared at. I had, you know, just that, that one, one being looked at. Now, when that black triangle was coming my way, that thing was about 100 feet long from chip to base. And let's talk about that for a minute. Where, where were you living when that occurred? That is in my current home, which is Phoenix, Arizona. We're near the Tempe Phoenix border for anybody who's listening from Phoenix. I was facing south and that happened while I was in my backyard looking for them. And then I get this really strong feeling that someone's staring at me like there was eight, nine pairs of eyes on me. And I was looking through the binoculars trying to figure out where is this at. And I moved the binoculars to the right and my view went black. And I was like, what is this? Do you have a dark curiosity? Follow and listen to Heart Starts Pounding on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And I dropped the binoculars down and that's when I noticed this triangular craft come in my way. Yeah. Okay. So let me ask you this. Was that, do you know if that was the Phoenix? Do you know if that was the Phoenix light? Siding or not? No. It wasn't. Okay. No, no. Actually, we missed that siding. We were living over in Glendale, Arizona in my other house when that siding came over in 1997. And on a side note, you'll notice that all the pictures you see online are not the craft. Those pictures you see are actually players that were dropped by the military in a V formation. The actual craft nobody ever took a picture of. But there are illustrations that you'll see a delta shaped, triangular shaped craft that had, I think, six lights, huge lights on it. To give you an example of its size, Francis Barwood, she was a consul woman for the city of Phoenix and it flew over her car and she stated that it was so large that if she took a newspaper and completely opened it up over her head, she could still see the back and the front of the UFO. It was that large. Oh, wow. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, some people think it was a mile wide. Wow. That's unreal. Let me ask you something about that triangle UFO. And I know we're jumping back and forth here between that one and the 7-Eleven siding. But the triangle UFO, it happened in your neighborhood. Did anyone else see it? No. No one else reported anything that you know of. Nope. I keep on looking on all the sites to see if anybody's witnessed any of them. You know, of course, I have pretty much the dates and stuff because I've filled out MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network. I would fill out their reports of the sightings to get an investigator out to see if anybody else has seen it and that kind of stuff. And what happened with that? So what happened with that? Nope. I was the only one who saw that. Okay, but you reported it to MUFON. Did they send an investigator out there? No. Yes. After about three days, they sent an investigator out and we talked in length for about 45 minutes or so. They had no other. She did all the investigative stuff on the sighting, called me back a couple of weeks later. Nobody else saw that sighting. Again, during the day, 100 foot long. Now, I can estimate things fairly well. I was a Vietnam-era veteran and I was a fuel specialist, meaning I fueled up planes, helicopters, and that kind of stuff. And my job kind of narrowed to black projects. Back in 1974, I was responsible for fueling up spy planes like the U-2 Dragon Lady, the SR-71, the fastest, highest flying jet still on the planet today, and Gerald Ford's Air Force One. I would fuel that up. So I know how big a helicopter is and this looked like a couple of helicopters tied together in length. And so that is easy, 100 foot. That's very interesting. A friend of mine was also in that field too. I don't know what the, what do you call it? I don't know what the, not the designations, like 92 Alpha and stuff like that. I don't know what it was, but she dealt with fuel too. She did all that stuff in the military. Oh, yeah. Let me, okay, so let's move on to another sighting here. Let's talk about the UFO over Grand Avenue. Do you remember that one? Yeah. Oh, yes, like I was yesterday. Give us some details about that particular sighting. I was between marriages and dating a couple of women at the same time and one of them. Okay, right. Yeah, well, you know, play a play. Hello. So anyway, I was having fun, you know, doing my thing and this girl, I call her that because she was, you know, probably 18, 20 years younger than me, but she had three kids and I asked her, she wanted to come over and swim in the pool. I owned a manufactured home and there's lots of those parks down here for the retired people, you know, they're everywhere and they're nice places. But anyway, she said, just as I went over and picked up the kids and we were in the pool and enjoying a really hot 105 degree day and her youngest son points and he goes, Ray, what's that? And I look up and a couple of hundred yards away, it looked like a ball, a red ball, red yellow ball. So I said, you know what, I had got a homemade telescope. Let's go over and if you guys don't mind and we'll take a close up view of it. So we giddled, skedaddled back to the trailer house and I got my man made telescope set up on the other side of the street. I pointed at it and I look at it and I can't believe my eyes. It's a huge fireball, yellow, red fireball. And this is something that's very, very strange. You know, if you were to take a lighter and light a layer and if you tilt it down, what happens to the flames? They go up, right? Right. All the flames on this fireball were coming out from the side and not one of them was going up. It was like they there was no gravity around it. And I was amazed. I was like, this can't be. So I'm looking at this thing and it's probably 50 to 75 feet wide. It's big and I'm looking at it and it starts to shake and it disappears out of my view. I'm like, where did it go? I take my head up from the eyepiece and I look and it's to the left. So I go over to the left and I see it in the eyepiece again and I see it. It starts to move to the right. So I'm following it and it slides right to the exact spot it did before. 30 seconds later, it starts vibrating again. No sound, no markings, no nothing. Just boom to the left. It goes again. It did this for 40, 45 minutes. And you know, I know this is going to sound strange, but we're all getting bored. It's like, what is it going to do? So Kelcey said, Ray, I got to go. My mom's coming home. She's got to babysit the kids and I got to get to work or something. And I was, you know, incensed, but I understood and dropped her off and came back. And I was so mad that I forgot to look. She was still there. But anyway, that was the sighting. And I don't know if that's the same fireball that was up in Minna on Pipe Lake or not. They looked exactly the same though. Oh, that is really wild. So the flames weren't weren't behaving like you would think they would. Right. They were just turning up. Yeah. Flames coming out of the bottom of it. You could see all these beautiful yellow and red flames. Coming out of the bottom and the sides in the top and all that. And they're all coming straight out. None of them turned up. So I was thinking, is this in a different dimension? Or yeah, I still to this day couldn't figure it out. And I've looked for scientists in plate tectonics. They talk about, you know, fireballs or orbs that are, you know, around fault lines. This was, let me see, maybe 200 yards from a very busy three way intersection in Glendale, Arizona. And on a Saturday and nobody else saw it but us. So yeah, that's unreal. Who knows? That is unreal. But that's, that's wild that you said the flames stayed completely symmetrical around the ball. That is amazing. Okay, so let's move on to let's move on to your Mississippi site. So why did you go to Mississippi? Were you living in Mississippi at one point or no? No, that's the Mississippi River. Okay, okay, Mississippi River. Okay, go ahead. All right. What happened? I was divorced. And it was my weekend to have the kids. And my older son, Tony, decided he'd rather play with his friends than that. And the person I was living with and not married to at that time, Christina. And I suggested to my younger son, Stephen, to go fishing. So we all, you know, back up there again and go down to a town called Inver Grove Heights, which is a suburb of St. Paul on the south side. And the river flows right through that town. So I finally find this place that felt like I needed to go in there. It was a dead end. And I was like, it's weak. I'm sure we can find the river through these bushes. So we're fighting through the bushes. And again, I go back to that, don't know if they're calling me, or if I just have that gift into it where they are. But whatever it is, it's a strong feeling to get me to that location. On a spire with Emma Greed, I sit down with people who don't just dream big, they feel big. From Mark Cuban to Mel Robbins, we talk about mindset and vision and the work that actually moves the needle. Listen to Aspire with me, Emma Greed, and Odyssey podcast available now. Or wake me up in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'll talk about some things in a little while about that. So we're fighting through these bushes. And in Minnesota, we have these things called sticker bushes. And what they are, are little bars and stickers that stick to your socks. And that's actually the fruit of the bush. The problem is, it also sticks in your skin and everywhere on your clothes and all the fur on animals. But anyway, we finally make it through. And this opening just opened up when we got through. And here was a beautiful, quiet location, just a small little four foot shoreline. No traffic, no jet skis, no people, and I was happy to be across the river from the, what we call Santa's, Santa factory. And what it is actually is a fuels processing oil processing plant. I think Marathon owns it now. And at night, they have all these flames and lights on top of big buildings and that kind of stuff. So it kind of looks like, you know, Santa's factory. And we tell the kids that, you know, this is where they make toys and stuff. So anyway, lo and behold, I'm right across the river from it. And it's not more than, oh, I don't know, 400 500 yards away. And the river was right there. So everybody wanted to do catfish fishing, which means you get this really heavy sinker, you put a whole mess of food on a triple hook, and you throw it way out in the middle, and it lands in the middle down on the, on the ground in the middle of the river. And catfish, that's where they swim to get, I guess, in the most amount of current to get their catch. So I'm sitting there and I get this feeling of being stared at again. So I look up and I see a flock of birds. I think they're seagulls, but, you know, I wasn't sure. And I'm just staring at those flock of birds. And then all of a sudden, my mind just kind of like woke up because through the flock of birds, another hundred feet or so are two enormous saucer shaped UFOs. One that has its base towards me, and one that, again, like another dimension, it has its base, it's actually flying vertical, not horizontal like planes are, but vertical. So its base was to the left, at pointing towards the other ship. And I'm just like in awe at what I'm seeing. That was my second sighting. My son was to my left about 20 feet down the shoreline, and the ex-wife now was another 20 feet. And I was still staring at those, and I said to myself, you know what Ray, you got to get a witness. So as I'm staring at these two ships, I scream to my son, Stephen, what are those up there as I'm pointing to them? And he, the raise in his head, and he goes, oh my god dad, a UFO, two UFOs. And he's all elated. He's like, cool dad, what are they doing there? And I'm, you know, we're talking back and forth as we're looking at the UFOs. And I'm like, I don't know son, they're beautiful though. There's no cracks, there's no openings, there's no sound, there's no humming, no static electricity. Jeff, two beautiful silver metallic ships, probably 75 feet, 100 feet in diameter each, just hovering there above us. And then I says, we need to tell Christina. So we both looked down the shoreline, and at the same time we said, hey Christina, look up there. And I go, there's a UFO, there's UFOs up there. And we go back to look and they're gone. So I don't know if they disappeared, or if they took off. But that was the end of the sighting after about five minutes of staring at them. That's amazing there. That is, yeah, that was fun. Yeah. So, and good for you for trying to get people that, you know, other people to kind of verify what you're seeing each time, you know, because you don't have a camera on you all the time, you can't possibly know, you know, when it's going to happen. So, that's great that you do that. I do want to add something here that I was a webmaster in the internet, and what that job is, was years ago, was to create websites. So I would do the coding, I would do the, like I work for Motorola, I was a webmaster for Motorola and Nabisco. And they would have me do all their worldwide content, as well as any and all images. So, all the images in the book are a collaboration between the witnesses and me creating all this in Photoshop. So it looks like a picture, but you're going to see everybody who's read the book and sees the images are going to see exactly what I was a witness to and what my other witnesses also, when they see the pictures they go, that's it. That's what I saw too. So it's, it isn't an actual picture, but it's an actual image of the color, the size, everything. And when people get the book, they also will be, I think, surprised and probably happy to be able to read each one of your Mufon reports as well. So you did put that in there. And like I said, the illustrations are great. I mean, they really are. Your book is great. I mean, it's really good. I'm pleasantly surprised by how well you put it together. The last sighting I want to talk about is, and I also want to know if you've had more of these, but you actually witnessed a wormhole or something like that happening. Now was that in Phoenix, Arizona as well? Yes. Yep. In my backyard again in Phoenix. Yep. That's wild. Oh, I guess the thing I want to say about the book is I have it in chronological, excuse me, chronological order from my first study in 1975 to the last one in 19 or 2019. But I have them as major sightings in the first eight chapters and minor sightings. And what I mean by major sightings is one where I've actually seen a ship where I can define its characteristics, like the bell shaped UFO, the two softwares shaped, the black triangular craft, the fireball UFOs. Those I can define the characteristics. The other kind of sighting is what I call minor, sighting. And what those are, are star-like objects, meaning that if you were to take a look in your binoculars at a star, you see just a point of light. And I have had many of those where it might be going across the sky and it catches up with two more that are sitting there. Then they all take off together. Well, stars don't do that, satellites don't do that, or if the star-like object is going, it slows down, stops, and does a U-turn. Again, satellites don't do U-turns, only UFOs do U-turns. And I've had lots of those. And that was the last sighting that I write in the book in, in, uh, June or July of 2019. So those I don't have images of, but I try to give you illustrations of where they went, how they went, what did they meet up with any other buddies, you know, that kind of stuff to try to make it as interesting as I can for you readers. So yeah, that's great. Yeah, I call that the, these are not satellites chapter, because of course I've checked all the satellite tracking sites in, in a lot of instances. I did move on reports again to see if somebody else had a sighting on those minor sightings. So I just wanted to say that that, yeah, that UFO was stunning. I have a hard time trying to figure out which is my favorite sighting, but the triangular craft in the backyard was pretty good. The 27 UFO oards in the backyard were real exciting, but the wormhole, the UFO going into a wormhole, that is the best sighting I've got. Yeah, definitely. So this is what was happening. It was around Thanksgiving. And forgive me if I forget the year. I'm really kidding. It's not great getting old. So I was outside again, looking through my binoculars, maybe trying to pick up a UFO or so. And as I was looking over my house, and it was to the right a little bit, there's this really, really bright star. I don't know. Have you ever heard the star Sirius, which is near the Orion constellation? Yes. Okay, good. Sirius is the brightest star in our sky, and it comes out actually now. So you, you all can see it when I see it all the time. Yeah, it's, it's real bright, isn't it? Well, this was brighter than that. And I was thinking, wait a minute. This is not in the location where Sirius, the star is. So I just kept on staring at it. And I, and I kind of knew something was going to go on. So it starts moving. And I can see it kind of moving towards me, but kind of curving to the left. And I'm like, this is interesting. So I keep following it in the binoculars. And as I'm panning to the left, I start to see a reflective light in my left side of my binoculars. And I'm like, what is that light that's coming in? Because I thought, could this be the moon? But you know, that thought left my mind because the moon's not out, wasn't out at that time of the month. So I dropped the binoculars down and I look up, and I see a round blue object. And I'm like, I got to see this thing close up. So I get the binoculars up, I get it in focus. And what I see is a cone or a funnel with its nice bright blue light bubbles, like soap bubbles that are coming up. I could see it coming up the wall of the funnel. And when it got to the surface, it would pop out of existence. And all these bubbles were coming up out of the center deep down inside, coming to the top and just popping. And I'm like, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute here. And I look to the left, right behind the funnel, and I can see stars. But yet I can see down in a funnel, like it's a tear in space time. And I'm amazed. Right then I knew this is a wormhole. This is what Einstein talked about. There's a tear in space time. And what this wormhole is, is a theoretical tear in space time that allows a ship or craft or whatever to go from our side of the universe to some other side of the universe. So it could go in there and it could travel many miles away in just a very short time. So I go back and I put the binoculars back up and I'm looking and I see the ship and I go over to the wormhole and I go back and forth, back and forth. And all of a sudden, the star like object goes right in the center of this wormhole and it closes down from the outer edge of the circle funnel to the center in like a second, a second and a half to two seconds. Pop gone. All the stars were just back up in front of my eyes again. So it was a wormhole and it was a UFO going into a wormhole right above my house in Phoenix. Wow, that is unreal. That is unreal. Craziest thing. That's why I call it my most favorite sighting. It's just nobody, I don't think anybody else on earth has ever seen a ship go into a wormhole, have they? Maybe possibly. It's possible. If we were seeing a lot of things, but I've never heard an actual first hand account of anyone seeing a ship go into a wormhole. Screaming to my mother-in-law, screaming to my wife, anybody please get out here and take a look at this. And the wife screamed, I can't come out now, honey. I'm cooking dinner. I'll come and see your UFO later. And I'm like, oh, because I've seen so many that it's just like, okay, where's that UFO? That's funny. Well, you try. Yeah. You know, you try. Yeah. And that was a great sighting too. You know, that was a great one for someone else to actually get in on. Yeah. This is amazing, man. I mean, I do believe that there are people such as yourself that are just privy to these weird and strange objects that we know are up there. And I think more people will notice it really if they will just put their phone down, look up sometime, not just glance up. I mean, you got to stare up there for a minute, you know, you look and you'll see some stuff. Right. Most definitely. But your book is very good. It's very well put together. And I think people will love reading these stories. It's called A Life with UFOs, an incredible story. This is available on Amazon. My special guest tonight, Ray Grochan. Ray, please take a moment to tell my listeners where they can find out more information about you or anything else you're working on. If you're interested in the book, which I sincerely hope you are, you can go over to my website, raygrochan.com or a life with UFOs.com. In either case, I sell the book through there. What it does is it does link back to Amazon, but it'll go right to the book. And I have the e-book up there. If you like to read it through the Kindle reader, or you can buy the paperback 168 pages. It's a pretty easy read, but the pictures will astound you. You will love seeing all these different types of UFOs I've seen. And it is in color. So I just want to tell you that. Very good. Ray, many blessings, Tina. I really appreciate your time. Oh, it was my pleasure. And thank you for inviting me on your show. All right. I want to thank my special guest, Ray Grochan, for joining me again. His book is called A Life with UFOs, an incredible true story. And that is available on Amazon in paperback and also Kindle. To find out more about our guest and all others, please visit our website at mysteriousradio.com. It is not hard to destroy a college. Last season, the podcast Campus Files brought you stories of fraternity drug rings, stolen body parts, campus cults, and more. And now Campus Files is back for another season. There's a guy screaming into his phone. He's like, I just saw Charlie Kirkus' ass knitted right in front of me. Every week is a new episode and a new story. It was so chaotic. It's almost like a university on a siege.