454 - Emergency Podcast: The Epstein Cover-Up

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We wanna get your read on what is going on because you know, from the outside, the Trump administration campaigns on exposing this coverup, blowing the lid off this coverup. And then they get an office and now it seems like they're part of this coverup. So what in your estimation has happened? Well, all I can do is observe from the outside. I have a lot of sources and some inside baseball on what's happening. But the fact I know is this, 15 days ago, they leaked to Axios, the Justice Department, this Epstein didn't get murdered and there wasn't human trafficking and there wasn't any blackmail and case closed. And that flies in the face of the court cases, the evidence, the intelligence connections, everything we know. And then I came out on that Monday, 14 days ago, and I said, this isn't Pam Bondi. I'm not defending her, I agree. She's in overhead, like you said. She should go back to policing jets keys in Florida. But then he comes out the next day and says on true social, no, we need the FBI to move on. I told him to do this. And the next day in a press conference, he chews out the reporter, when they're talking about all these issues saying, how dare you desecrate the graves of dead kids in Texas with the floods, shut up. And that's uncharacteristic for Trump. He looks scared, he looks concerned. And then all the other true social posts about, if you ask questions, you're with the Democrats and this is all a Democrat made up hoax and you're just idiots. When all his surrogates had promised they'd bring this out, he talked about bringing it out. So this is Harry Carey. This is Shepa Kood for those that don't know in Japanese, I mean suicide. And I had the head of Rasmussen polling on the best polling agency, the most accurate on record today. He said, Trump has lost 14 points with independence, five points with his main base. Like Steve Bannon said a week ago, that'll lose them before Rasmussen reported it. His dead reckoning was right, 40 seats probably in the midterms of the year and a half. This is Trump self-harming. And from all my research, he knew Epstein, there were socialites, all that, but they would have already used this, the deep say they had something, the Jane Doe's they brought out turned out weren't even real people. They'd said that Melania was a hooker that Epstein introduced to her in a modeling agency. We looked into that. Trump's modeling agency, that wasn't true. So they're kind of regurgitating all that on one hand. So why did Trump act so panic during the headlines? And you'll come out and say, there is no list. Okay, there is a list, but you're still in it. If you look at it, okay, we'll have Pam Bondi release the grand jury transcripts from Gisling Maxwell that Comey's daughter ran the cover up on London. The Epstein case six years ago where he died in jail. So you couldn't do a bigger Streisand effect. You couldn't come out and say, I'm more guilty than what he did. And my loyalties to the truth, I'm actually autistic about it. I can't even, I want Trump to succeed. And Democrats are my sworn enemy, trying to put me in prison. I'm just like having to report this that this is beyond insane. Yeah. And it's like Trump blowing his feet off with a 12-ish shotgun. Well, we know that this was not only a blackmail operation, but it was also a money laundering operation. And we know that Jeffrey Epstein was working for billionaires like Les Wexner and many others. And we know that there's been a lot of talk about the connections that Epstein had to intelligence and moving money around the world, making sums of money disappear. Is it a complete coincidence that a lot of this seemed to happen around the time that Benjamin Netanyahu paid a visit to the White House? Well, as usual, Tim Dillon, you're very informed. I was a comedian and you've nailed it. I don't want to attack Israel. I'm not a big Israel hater, but Netanyahu is, in my view, the villain of the last 25 years in Israel, in and out of power. And definitely is the cliche of Israel trying to manipulate the United States internal politics and foreign policy, particularly the Middle East. So definitely Netanyahu is heavily involved in. Gisling Maxwell, who was convicted of human trafficking, though the new memos, and Trump says there is none of that, well, the house she convicted, heard dad, Robert Maxwell was on record Mossad, buried Mount of Olives with military honors, and MI6 and Russian intelligence, reportedly, fell off his yacht when all this came out. And just like when he died decades ago, all of a sudden, billions of dollars was sucked out of his bank accounts. And so for my evidence and research, it's pretty conclusive, Epstein was a junior to Gisling, who took over the family, MI6, CIA, Mossad, business, because at that level, they're all interconnecting. And it was more than just trafficking underage girls. That was kind of like a side or derv, or a little rider. The larger issue was money laundering. And then now the Democrats have been on this. I said months ago and weeks ago, that Trump needs to not just call for the grand jury stuff to be released, or the stuff from her trial, or the trial that ever happened, because Epstein died in custody there in New York in that detention center. We should demand the billions. It was 1.1 billion right after he died, it was actually over a billion when he was in custody, five and a half years ago in New York, that was sucked out of his business account. And so we know that's at the Treasury Department. So now Senator Wyden and others, as I predicted a month ago and two weeks ago, before this broke, I said, Trump should release, because I can see that's where it's going. Where did the billions of dollars go right before and right after he died? And so I agree with you, various, too, and I was gonna make that point. This isn't even so much about human trafficking, as it is about the money laundering that was going on. Then you've got Bill Barr, whose dad, Donald Barr, ran the school, that Epstein at 20 got hired with no credentials, he'd be the top math teacher, and then Barr was OSSCIA, his dad, Donald Barr, then Barr was CIA, kind of the head of, Iran Contra Operations at the White House, and then his dad, Donald Barr, writes a book about space relations, about aliens on a planet that kidnapped human girls to rape them, and then they train humans to enjoy it, and join them in the raping of children. This is beyond crazy, and he hires Epstein to do all this. And so, yeah, Trump had beauty pageants, and Trump had casinos, and Trump had golf courses, and Trump was involved in sporting events. And so I thought, well, they ever had anything on Trump, they would have brought it out as they tried with a bunch of nothing burgers in 2016 and 2020. But now that he acted like this, I think the jury's out, but where the jury is, not out, is on the majority of people on the plane, on the flight logs, our Democrats, our big powerbuggers like Bill Gates, and we know some people in the Trump administration have been heavily implicated, I'm not gonna name names. And so, you nailed it, when you brought up Netanyahu. So let me, if you've got time here, after we have all the time in the world, I just wanna add, when Bondi said we have 10,000 hours of video, she said we have 10,000 hours of video. I had dinner last week with the vice president. He told me that that was commercial pornography, they do not have videos of any powerful person in a compromising position. That's the party line that they're going with. If that's the case, why would Pam Bondi call it evidence? Why would she say it's evidence? She's not an idiot, she's the attorney general. Why would she say she has files on her desk if none of these implicated anybody? It just feels like they're covering something for sure, 100%. And I feel like they're telling a story and the story doesn't make any sense. Perfectly said, so, again, there's so much debt I have, it would take 100 hours, but we'll go as long as you need. Here's what I'm trying to say, Bill. There are two main tracks here, okay? Incompetence by Bondi and Patel and Bonjino or a mix of that or pure cover-up. But undoubtedly there's a cover-up. So, here's what we know from the timeline. And I'm not trying to gonzojournalism right myself into the story, I just do this seven days a week. So I broke most of the different developments that happened in the last six months. So here's what we know, and you give me your conclusion. Trump's surrogates, they're gonna release it. They get in, in March, they're giving this old EPCN information of that press conference with the stupid binders. And a day and a half before that happens, I have O'Boyle, who is the main, one of the top FBI whistleblowers, who's been exposed so much. And he says, my New York sources say they've got massive Epstein videos and files that the Democrats are suppressing and not giving to Trump. And Bondi's been set up, we're meeting with her tonight. My sources are, and she's gonna expose the fact that she's been set up. The next day she comes out, and on the cover sheet of the binder says, this is phase one, I learned there's a lot more New York with Comey's daughter and Comey running it, which we know control the file the whole time. If they don't give it to us in 24 hours, we're gonna go grab it. 24 hours goes by, they go grab it, the head of the FBI New York resigns, the guy that said, dig in, don't do it. And then they're giving these files, but that's the setup. Obviously, if the Democrats, before Trump and after Trump, and now control the file, and James Comey and Marine Comey controlled it, are they gonna leave stuff in those incriminating? No, it's logical to say, they're gonna probably drop a dime on themselves, not that my whistleblower was bad. They're gonna drop a dime. Oh, we've really got the real file. So Trump's like, yeah, go get it, grab it, get them. They get the file, and then I talk to FBI sources, multiple, and it's called Serif and Others, showed me the text messages. This is in late March, days after. That indeed, the way the FBI works, the top of the FBI does the investigations, they get the truckloads out of New York, they send it all over the country to field offices to say, do what you want. Then the FBI, we confirm this, looks at it, it's got all this stuff about Trump in it, whether it's true or not, Bondi and them come back and say to Trump, it's got all this about you, then you see the deer in the headlights interview two months ago with Bongino and Cash Patel on Fox, they look like they're hostages, they're like, no, you can trust us, he killed himself, and Epstein acts alone and didn't do anything, and case closed, and I said this before Trump said it, a week and a half ago, I said, Trump has learned, or this is a big possibility, they've spiked it with poison pills, they're not just gonna take out bad stuff about them, they're gonna add all the innuendo, all the Jane does, all the stuff recycled in. Then Trump comes out for social last Saturday, eight, nine days ago, Saturday before last, and says, hey, they control the file, not saying Epstein doesn't exist or wasn't bad, that's how the media spun it, he says they've put a bunch of bull in there, which I was even able to predict, so that's one track of what it is and why he acted so scared and hysterical. The other track is, he was a big playboy, he was hanging out with Epstein, he was running beauty pageants, maybe he did some stuff he wasn't supposed to, he had some deep, and now they're bringing it out, so now the jury's out on Trump, now he's gotta be suspect, but the same people that run Crossfire Hurricane, the fake Russia gate, Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, that did all this, who are known fake frauds, who are known to be all over the Epstein file, who are known controlling it on the US side, anything, they tell me suspect, so I don't believe it right away, then you bring up Netanyahu and that's the key, so anytime Mossad is gonna operate like this on domestic soil, they're gonna need a CIA agreement and pass, this goes on for decades, and then you've got Maxwell's dad that was MI6 Mossad on record and KGB, triple agent highest level, well the real agent is a triple level, or quadruple level, so you have Trump, yeah grab it, do it, he gets it, oh my God, I've been set up, then he's mad at Netanyahu, he's mad at him from behind the scenes sources, we're not attacking Iran months ago, Netanyahu shows up, suddenly Trump 180s, sure to see whatever Netanyahu wants, and we know as the full file of all the hidden cameras and all the stuff at Little Island, they're in the Caribbean at his facility in Zorro Ranch to Mexico in New York, and we had Ehubarok there photographed dozens of times, 30 something meetings there in New York, as all of a sudden you get a 180, as soon as Netanyahu shows up, now Trump learns what's in the FBI file, right after that, then Netanyahu comes and tells him, and I don't believe from my sources, and this is how little FBI, that it is Trump, but it's people in his administration, including a top financial advisor that's heavily involved, Trump wants to get his agenda through of jobs, 15 trillion investment coming in, three trillion already here, he wants to stop World War III, I'm not defending this, I'm saying the thinking I've been told, and so he goes, oh my God, this is a giant new Russia gate set up, he comes out and says to my list, he's to his supporters, we've gone from the- Would I be crazy when you say, a top financial advisor, are we talking about Epstein's neighbor? We are. Okay, interesting, and that makes sense. Here's how informed you are, and I'm not trying to be a main person, because he may even be innocent, but you're talking about Ludnick. That's right, Howard Ludnick. Don't sue me. Kidding. Well, let's just, it's beyond suing, this is like- Yeah. You're telling us these things were stupid. You're gonna find me in the pool. Yeah, you're right. Now. No, let's just say, you brought it out, you're smart and figured it out, nobody else was, I'm sure it's true. They're blackmailing him with Ludnick. I've confirmed that from the FBI, and it's not that I did anything wrong, but yeah, and yeah. Here's my question. We have just Lane Maxwell sitting in a jail, I believe in Tallahassee in Florida. We have Alex Acosta, who supposedly there was an unsourced or privately sourced, unnamed sourced person that Vicki Ward quoted saying Alex Acosta said, I was told to stand down. Epstein belonged to intelligence. That is why he was not prosecuted. That was the federal prosecutor, Lee Eastern. Right, to the fullest extent of the law. Why do we not, and by we I mean the Trump administration, the American people demand that Maxwell testifies in front of Congress, and that Alex Acosta testifies in front of Congress about whatever this operation was. I think me and you have a good idea about what it was, but it's a vile operation. It destroyed the lives of children. No civilized society can exist ignoring things like this. And it also opens up many questions about a financial system that we barely understand that involves oligarchs, criminals, human traffickers, drug smugglers, and our own political class, by the way. This is why Nancy Pelosi has been so quiet about this. Let's be very honest, because she has no problem with, you know, obviously making lots and lots of money and lots of our politicians. I mean, Barack Obama, you know, these 30 million dollar homes in Martha's Vineyard or whatever they are, why don't we demand that they testify, Alex? Well, and you know, Tim, I don't do some regular people interviewing me. I'm gonna kiss your ass. I was about to go, before you said Gisling, Max will testify. I was about to go to this. So that's where I was going next. Yeah. Here's the issue with that. She's in prison for human trafficking. And you've got these lawyers connected to Epstein saying months ago, Alan Dershowitz, Trump better pardon her. And even before Elon came out and said, Trump's in the list, you're never gonna see it, which then has a lot more credibility now. Because of this, it doesn't mean Trump did anything wrong, but he's implicated, he's embarrassed by it. The issue with Gisling Maxwell is, she's in prison for decades. So you can't trust somebody to testify who has already not implicated other people, but now that she's convicted in prison will, maybe she'll say that I was involved, but I'm being sarcastic, but my point is, is that pressure mounts for Gisling Maxwell to be released to testify before Congress. I am of the thought that full disclosure is the way to go. From all my research and sources, Trump wasn't actually involved in any of this, and they're gonna be able to continue to blackmail that they don't. So I think justice be done by the heavens fall. But the thinking is, if they implicated all these big tech titans like Bill Gates that was heavily involved in all this, and his wife left him over it, and said he should have to answer those questions about saying what he did, if all these Silicon Valley people come out and things, Trump's being told, this will crash the stock market, this will bring down America, this is a setup, and I'm not defending that decision, but I can logically from a sick position get it. I agree with you. I think the world will think we're back in business if we actually exercise all this, these demons. This stuff's going all the place as well. The EU's been caught in giant petafolk rings. This is driving people insane, and I think it's justifiably so that people at the highest levels can get away with stuff like this, and that it can be covered up forever. And I think a lot of people- It's the two tier justice system, right? It's emblematic of everything. Yeah, it's emblematic of everything. What I told Vance, I said, if you don't disclose everything, you're done. I mean, nobody will support you guys. You work fully and completely part of this cover up if everything doesn't come out. I think it paralyzes their presidency completely. And what does Vance say? He agrees with me. He agrees with me. You know, like it really is- David, Mike Johnson came out a week ago and said, release it. I mean, he agrees with me. The calls are coming from inside the house. We know the Benjamin Netanyahu shows up. We then immediately see an about face, which is completely crazy, by the president of the United States. I mean, again, I'm not a paranoid Israel hater, but their activity over the last six months is completely insane. They're bombing churches. They're starving people. They're shooting people that are- They bombed Syria today. I know. But here's the deal. Here's the deal. I've studied who the main threats are, the US, communist China, big financial interest. I'm the guy that everybody said was defending Israel. No, I was just saying they're not the most important block. They're varied. But absolutely, because we've knocked out the Democrats for great extent, because they've cut off the USAID money and the deep state money, Israel with Netanyahu sees a power vacuum and is definitely trying a hostile takeover of the administration. So that's 100% going on. Are you worried about these connections with Palantir, with Abel using technology to- Palantir technology to merge all of the different departments so that if you have information on you with the IRS, that's now merging with your arrest record. And if you've attended a protest and whatever the case may be, we see in the UK people are getting sent to jail for tweets. We see all over the world, and we know, of course, the Chinese social credit score system, this feels a lot like a precursor to that. Steve Bannon has said that he thinks that these tech people are the biggest threat to the stability of the United States going forward because they have their own agendas that they're cloaking in this MAGA movement. Do you share that view? And do you think that Trump has allowed these people to get a little too close and exercise a little too much power in the White House? Yes, I think Palantir is a threat. And then I've been criticized by people who just want to try to make scores by being nuanced about it. Let's explain what's happening. Oracle, who's also in with Trump, which is a bigger threat than Larry Olsen's, way bigger than Palantir, Microsoft and Amazon, people think of Amazon as packages. No, Amazon runs more servers for the CIA than the NSA, than anybody, than that Microsoft is second. This is like a fact, people can look this up. They've already integrated all the databases. They already have all that. Peter Thiel and Alex Karp, who said, Alex Karp, I help the EU, since they're conservatives, my main threat is Christian conservatives, just like Trump is starting to fight. So I'm not an apologist for Palantir, but to my listeners, I've got to give them a real answer. So you notice the New York Times, Washington Post last year, we're all about Palantir. And it doesn't mean Palantir is an issue. It's that, why does everybody know about that? Cause the corporate media started it. So Palantir has come to Trump and is a big backer of ants. I'm not saying he's bad either. Right. And they have said to Trump, we know how to come in and tell you what's really going on. Let us have the ring of Mordor, and we will fix all your problems. And my point is, they are a small little tech who wants to come in and has the technology to do what's already been done. Right. The idea that this isn't already integrated, that it is, it is, it is Amazon, Google, and these other groups, Amazon, Alphabet, you know, those companies, whatever it is, Meta. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, Alphabet's above Google, exactly. Right. So it's Google, it's Google, it's Amazon, it's all, yeah, so they're the ones that are currently doing it. It's not like it's coming. So I just told people in their lexicon, it's like, you have flashcards for a kid, here's a tiger, here's a bear, here's a bunny rabbit. And now they go, here's Palantir. Ooh, that's the big tech takeover, no. That's a group that thought with their angles with Trump, they could come in and be put in charge of the thing that's already there. So I'm telling people, no, it's not that it's coming, it's already there. Palantir is just as dangerous as Google or as its parent company Alphabet or as Microsoft or as Amazon, it's Microsoft, Google, Amazon. And I'm saying, if you look at the statistics, they're 90% of it, the grid's already there. Palantir is a usurper, an upstart, a pretender to the throne trying to come in to give Trump control because the US government's been directing the Googles and the Microsofts and the Amazons to already create a few system that we already have. Does that make sense? It absolutely makes sense. The reason that Palantir is always a red flag for me is it when Peter Tills asked things like, should the human race exist? And he kind of stutters and stammers and doesn't really seem to have a, that one seems easy. And he doesn't really have an answer for that. He's also suggested things like, maybe people went to Epstein's Island because they wanted Epstein's advice on their divorce and stuff. It just seems to- And he also says, we need to do what I'm doing to stop the Anticross. Right, so it just feels to me that, yes, they are part of a very large group of companies I don't trust, but it is worth noting that this company is, they wanna start helping to surveil Americans more than they already are. I mean, that's sort of, or help, concentrate the information or help merge- Let's be clear, oh, you said a key point, you got a key point. Google six, seven years ago wouldn't even give the Pentagon access to AI, but they give China that. So that's the key you just hit. Palantir is offering to Trump, but look at Denver, already has US funded license plate scanners, but a month ago, when they were gonna use them to rush the illegals, they turned it off. So Palantir is offering to use the grid that's already in place for Trump's aims. So what I'm trying to say is, it's not a defensive Palantir, it's that we're way, we're saying we're in the year 2025, we're in the year 2050. I'm saying it's already there. The Palantir thing is a fight about Trump coming and saying, okay, I'll hire you to explain how this works and give me access, I'm saying it's already all there. No, and I understand that. And I think that, listen, I don't trust Elon Musk, I don't trust any of the, I don't trust Sam Altman, I don't trust Mark Zuckerberg. It's not because I believe they're inherently evil people, or although they say some things that are inherently evil, I believe their agendas are radically different than if you took an American off the street and said, what are the things you value? Very few of them are gonna go, we wanna terraform Mars and merge with AI and destroy the human race and all of this stuff. So I do think that the tech community, it's important to have a thriving tech community, but it's important to not turn our country into a digital police state or a Chinese style surveillance state. And I think a lot of those people would probably wanna create something like that in our society. You know, that does seem like they would prefer that. Absolutely, I want your viewers and listeners to understand something. Let's just say Palantir is the most evil thing on earth ever seen. It is the devil. Why do we all know about Palantir? And not the other ones. We don't know. Yes, you're right. We don't know about Microsoft, Google and Amazon that are 90 plus percent of the grid that's already there. So we're all learning about surveillance and AI and social credit score and biometrics and social credit, we're already doing it. They're just bidding to get into the trough and understand. As a junior. And so I oppose what Palantir is doing. And everyone else. I oppose everyone else. Of course. I'm just saying it's become a distraction into only them. Understood. Disclosure. Your sources, people that you know, how damaging is this if this all comes out? Do we think that this is a watershed moment for the United States and Israel? Does this come out that this is a, what many people feel it is, which is a Mossad CIA blackmail up? Or is this basically not, we're never going to definitively know that. Or will we, we have a lot of conjecture, we have a lot, a gun to my head, that's what I believe it was. There's enough evidence in my book to say that's what it was. But is the disclosure, not only will it be embarrassing to people, but is it going to suggest that one of our allies has been using these types of methods to gain leverage and control over our politicians? And is that one of the big reasons that they do not want it out? Well, that's all true. I mean, look, look. Monk Loewinsky was a Mossad operative. Really? Yeah, yeah, well, it's come out. They were tapping the White House. So, and I don't want to hit us on some big corruption deal because a bunch of Israeli operatives are involved in all the corruption with our people as well. Right. They want to hit you on some limited little sexual thing. And so, yeah, I don't, I mean, absolutely, Epstein was mainly a Mossad operative, Gisling Maxwell, her dad, all Mossad on record. The media just keeps this debate going, is it Mossad, is it Mossad? Well, he wasn't officially Mossad. Any real operative at the highest level is an operative. People think it was an operative at his lower level. No, one time it was there, the boss. But he himself was just a manager. Gisling was the case manager. This is all basically come out. And this is the leverage that Israel is using over Trump right now to do all this. And my information is it's not Trump himself. He's just all this other stuff to try to embarrass him, beauty pageants, you know, flying twice on his plane from New York to Palm Beach. And again, Trump was all released, it released it till he got that meeting with Netanyahu that you nailed. But what's more important is this has captured the public's understanding and imagination. And so it's all about integrity. It's all about getting rid of the deep state and Trump joining with it and defending it. I had my show today, Mark Mitchell, who is the hands down, you know, they have the best record, daily elections, not distributed around the world from Rasmussen polling. And, you know, he said, I'm not a Republican Democrat, I care about the voters and freedom in the future. And he said, I mean, again, the exact number, like 14 points lost with independence. It's a collapse. It's a collapse. It's a collapse. Five, six points lost to his most hardcore base. I mean, this is a disaster. Steve Bannon without seeing polls we can have it go said, we'll lose 40 seats. It's an also it's overshadowing another interesting and important story. That's that Comey, you know, Brennan Clapper, all these guys essentially participated in what was kind of an attempted coup with, you know, manufacturing this evidence that Trump was installed by Russia. Yeah, Crossfire Hurricane. And that's the key. That was my whole show today was Crossfire Hurricane is proven. Crossfire Hurricane is confirmed that not just Obama giving orders to Clapper, Brennan, Comey, before 2016, they knew Trump was running. They put him under surveillance. The documents are out. They created the Stildocier. They didn't just let the intelligence out and then not report it was fake. They created it. Estolci Gabbard said last night on Fox. We already have the documents. That's true. I reported on the truth. Obama is a CIA operative from birth. His mother worked for USA. His mother was born in Hawaii. I mean, because Obama weirdly comes up all the time as this guy. And I always think these politicians are middlemen. And I imagine that Barack Obama would be like a similar politician, like a Clinton type where like they know what's going on, but they're not driving it. Yeah. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton come out of the CIA and the Dixie Mafia and the Chicago Mafia. There's whole films made by Joel Gilbert, which I've researched. It's well known. Obama's grandfather was the head of the CIA in Hawaii. His mother was a CIA sex operative. His real father was not in Kenya, but was the head of the Communist Party, USA. He had other major newspapers, Frank Marshall Davis. Where do you think he was born? If you had to take a guess. He was born in Hawaii. Oh, he was. Yeah. It was Obama in four different videos when he was a senator saying, I was born in Kenya. I'm back in my home country as a fake cover story. And then that guy, that subserrant Africa that looked nothing like him, you look at Frank Marshall Davis, it's him. And he wrote in dreams of my fathers. I spent summers with Frank Marshall Davis in Hawaii. He was friends with my grandfather. He felt like my real father. And it's Frank Marshall Davis. Then his mother, in Betty Davis, not Betty Davis, what's that woman with the dark hair? The famous bombshell 50s. Rita Haylors? No, it's the one that did soft porn. It'll pop in my head in a minute. Okay. The point is they did that style and in the famous porn that Frank Marshall Davis released, in the same house that's in photos of Obama with the same couch, with the same pictures, with his mom and Frank Marshall Davis visiting, Frank Marshall Davis, it's her with women on the very same Betty page. It's the very same couch. And it's in famous private porn collections that his mother was, you know, in all of this, well, she was a famous CIA sex operative. So you're saying that Obama's from an intelligence family. Well, you said CIA baby. Yeah, no, that's what I feel as well. I mean, I... And then in Frank Marshall Davis, the main publisher of communist newspapers world, you know, all over the U.S., is a famous pornographer. Right. Obama says and dreams of my father's. He was like my father. I stayed with him in the summers. He was friends with my grandfather. And his dad's the famous CIA banker. Well, I know people in Chicago that have said that Obama essentially had led kind of a secret double life his entire life and they were shocked when he was polling so well in the election. Obviously he was a brilliant politician, but that the media didn't go near any of his secret life the way they didn't go... You know, there's a lot of people that obviously the media's told to stand down, but I know people in Chicago, these large financial institutions that knew him, that were shocked that more details about his private life weren't emerging. Well, yeah. And, you know, he says every young boy, you know, needs a gay man to help lead him now. I'm not against gay people or anything, but it's... Of course. I mean, it's well known how he's being controlled. And so you very astutely said a baby of the CIA. He is literally a Manchurian candidate. People with secrets are seemingly the people that always lead us. It seems to be whether you're... If you're in the closet, if you have a problem with your drugs or money or something like that, leverage is always being used on different people so to control them. Because you're compromised. A thousand percent. So Trump, in my estimation, has to just let everything out, no matter how embarrassing it is. Yeah, I mean, he does. And I mean, look, the Democrats are trying to put me in prison. They're openly horrible people. Trump represents a lot of good constituents. I don't want Trump to fail. You know, I got accused by a lot of influencers and people in the last few weeks, because I'm on every channel. And it does nothing for me to be on CNN, ABC News, and I can care less. They have tiny audiences. I don't like to have to come tell the truth on air and have them spend it using against Trump and MAGA, because MAGA is great overall and is definitely a force for good. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Hohman, and I mean, they're doing amazing things. And so I don't feel the baby out with the bathwater. I don't do this because I can attack Trump, which I never do. And then, you know, get publicity out of it. I did it because I had to keep my integrity. And I don't know if Trump can course correct from this. I had the head of raspies and polling on the day. You know, some of us bounce back. But, you know, you look at bombing Iran, you look at Israel, you look at Kennedy got it where they were to take fluoride out of the water, the DOJ blocked the lawsuit that banned it to keep fluoride in the water. Kennedy blocked basically, Glyba State, the Trump administration's keeping it. It's almost like the Trump had men brought in Kennedy so he can menace the chemical companies and big pharma. And then big pharma will just come make bigger donations. And I don't know if he's- I'm gonna say something very interesting. I think obviously poison food in America needs to be dealt with, but Kennedy was talking a lot about these vaccines that were mandated and had a lot of adverse effects. Pam Bondi is now not following up the Pfizer thing, maybe no more about than I do, but I saw that- I mean, her and the White House she was staff run now only 10 years ago didn't exist, the biggest consulting firm and their main clients, Pfizer. So Pam Bondi and Susie Wiles, who's the White House chief of staff, run a consulting firm and their biggest client is Pfizer. Well, that's not great. And even today, the lawyers came out, all the people involved, even in Congress and said that Kennedy's not even being consulted now. So people get pissed at Kennedy. He's like, yeah, we're banning that MRA shot. And then the White House somehow overrides it. And I'm not, yeah, it's Pam Bondi- I think Kennedy from people that I know, I think Kennedy feels like he's frustrated. I also think, yes, get the poison food out, but also Kennedy was coming in there saying, listen, we had these mandatory vaccines, a lot of them had adverse health effects. And now that's not being talked about. Everything's about food dye. Now, by the way, get the food dye out, sure, but let's not indemnify companies like Pfizer and all these people going forward. I mean, big, big forms of, it's the biggest- Well, that's right. I mean, the big HHS, Robert Malone and Wynner MRA that violently exposed it all, he came out today and said, no, I've seen the documents, the FDA and all of it authorized these new MRAs. They literally didn't even consult Kennedy. And so I'm not giving Kennedy a pass. I mean, this is going on. So it's a big giant operation. Suzy Wells gave him the organizational skills that Trump needed to win. So it's the devil you need, the devil you don't need. But who was she the chief of staff for in his last election? Where did she live part of the year? She works for Benjamin Netanyahu. Suzy? She works for Netanyahu. She was the chief of staff and his campaign manager. Interesting, I did not know that. That keeps coming up. Well, yeah, I mean, listen, listen, I'm not anti-Israel and I'm not Trump. No, no, no, no, we don't even have to keep saying that. We're not anti-Israel yet. I don't have a heart for it. I have responsibility. You do. Like a jack of the box at Netanyahu, jack of the box at Netanyahu, remember Netanyahu back during the COVID thing, said, I want Israel to be the headquarters of human testing. We don't know what this is going to do. We offer the Israeli people to be guinea pigs to be tested on. Well, that violates the Nuremberg code. So I'm not anti-Israel. I'm saying, of course, Netanyahu says Israel's a guinea pig. And I think Netanyahu's a villain. I have great friends in Israel and in America that are Jewish people that are religious. Some aren't and they, a lot of them think what's going on at Gaza is atrocious and Netanyahu's a criminal and should stand trial. But it is interesting to see that, this administration is starting to spin out of control. It feels like that. Yeah, that's a good way to see it. The first five months or so, it was like almost perfectly on track for what, and then it just started going sideways. And now it's moving very quickly in the wrong direction. And I have no interest in them failing. My God, the Democrats are literally trying to put me in prison and suing me. And all of a sudden, I mean, it's like my lifeboat, I'm in, it's Trump. And then he's poking holes the bottom of the boat. And then I don't want to be enemies with Susie Walls. I don't want to be enemies. And I can tell you a lot more. I mean, I've had the White House call up and be like, the last week, what do you want? I'm like, oh, you think I'm doing all this just to get something? I've never asked for anything. I want you to do what you were elected to do. Yeah. So it went from, you're bad, we're gonna have our influencers attack you, what do you want? Yeah. Well, they wanted to go away. They want this to go away. And you, I've been listening to you since I'm 12 years old on the GCN network. I remember listening to you before 9-11, by the way. And then direct, no, no, no, GCN network, we're talking like fucking 1999. We're talking eight-bit internet. I mean, unbelievable. And that's, I believe that was a network you were on was GCN. Yes, yes. So that's how long I've been listening to you. And that's why I bring you in when stuff like this happens because I often get confused because we all basically say to ourselves, what the hell's going on? It's almost like the gaslighting is so crazy because it's like, you start, they start going like, who said Epstein was a black pill operation? They're like, who said any of this? And you go, why would you suggest he's connected to the Mossad or anything? And you go, wait a minute, hold on. This has all been kind of decided. There's mountains of evidence. So to attack supporters or people that are just raising questions, of course you're gonna have to go out and say, hey guys, we know what you're doing. For whatever reason you want this to go away, it's not gonna go away until you disclose the information you have. And that's the problem. The CIA was involved, the MI6 was involved, Mossad was the main group for more evidence. And now that they've implicated people in Trump's circle, he's doubled down, he's totally picketed. It's a strength and a weakness. And so the polls show it from Rasmussen, only other polls show it. This is a death spiral and it's so sad. And you got the Democrats that are openly with 350,000 kids smuggled across, bunch of them in sex slavery, slave labor. You have Tom Hohm and they already saved 35,000 kids, prosecuted over a thousand human traffickers. All this good's happening and I don't wanna see this happen. But the way this works, and I'm surmising this, I don't know if this is true, but if Trump makes an ill of the deep state to leave him alone, on the Epstein thing that's implicates intelligence agencies, they go, okay, you gotta have Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and all you go out and say there's nothing there. And this is what Carl Serafan really smart up, that was more said months ago on my show. They're being given bad advice to go out and do stuff that discredits them by the very same people acting like they're on their side. So it looks like they made a deal to deep six this for a reason and then the very same media and Democrats then turn on them and now hanging around their neck and notice the Democrats say they want Epstein declassified. They only want stuff with Trump in it. Now I say release it all, release it all. Release it all, it's the only way, and maybe depose Alex Acosta and let's find out who told him that. And that's the again, US Attorney, the prosecutor 15 years ago that said he was told go easy intelligence. Yes, I mean, let's find out. And at the end of the day, I think that, you know, I'm not naive, you're not naive. We know that there's serious players behind the scenes that are exerting pressure on all kinds of people. And I know that you can't wave a magic wand and make the deep state go away and you can't, you know, throw them all in jail overnight. But if there's no accountability for this type of criminal activity that everybody knows about, the lack of credibility is going to eat away at not only this administration, but at the government and the justice system in this country. No, you're right, you're absolutely, you've hit the key here. And by the way, I can go as long as you want. We're gonna wrap up in a few minutes. My bladder's about to bust. Can I just run pee and I'll come right back? We'll run pee and come back. I'll just pee on there right now. You can run and pee and I'll vamp while you're there. I'm good at, I talk my whole show. I'm like, I learned how to do this with you. I just talk, I don't even have guests. No, no, no, but what I was to say is, just like the made up stuff, Trump being peed on that was all fake. So the other side, I have such no belief in the established media that they lied so much back in one minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go go. I go as long as you want. I got more stuff to add. Go pee. I just can't think. I understand. Alex Jones is taking a pee break, ladies and gentlemen. And now it's time to tell you about Athletic Greens, the company that dropped me for using, for talking about Alex Jones. I did one ad on my show about Athletic Greens many years ago and we did it from Alex's studio and they dropped me. So here's what I'd like to say about Athletic Greens. You know, one day my friend took Athletic Greens and he died. He put Athletic Greens in a water bottle and shook it up and then he drank it and now he's dead. Athletic Greens killed my friend. I don't know why it happened. Maybe it wasn't Athletic Greens. Maybe it was just some type of a random medical emergency, but I bet it was the Greens. He was frothing at the mouth. He goes, oh no, what's happening? And there was Greens stuff was coming out of his mouth. He was going, I can't believe it. It's Athletic Greens. I'm dying. It's killing me. I knew it was fake. This is as he's dying. He goes, I knew it was fake anyway. You don't get healthy by putting a vial of green shit in water. It's a lifestyle. I knew it was fake. I just thought I'd take the easy way out. And then he just started going, and he was having a seizure because of Athletic Greens. Now I'm just saying they can sue me. I'll sue him back. But I'm just saying it's comedy show. Everything I'm saying is a joke. Of course, obviously, full disclaimer. It did kill my friend. They did drop me. We tried to get them back. I performed at Carnegie Hall. We said, how about you guys come? We'll give you free tickets to my show. We're sorry. Who do you think's taking Athletic Greens? Do you think they're all offended by Alex Jones? Who do you think these people are that drink this? You think you're offended by this? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back, Alex Jones. I was just shitting on an advertiser who dropped me because. You were talking about Athletic Greens. Yes. I took Athletic Greens and my dick got three feet longer. No, they dropped me. They dropped me because I said Athletic Greens on the show with you years ago. So they're terrible. I got an earpiece in when I ran the band. OK, all right. But back to the incredible thing you just said. Yes. Yes, this is a benchmark deciding issue because they killed Epstein, all the cover-ups, people learned about it. And then now Trump made a big issue. I'm sitting in the office here. So him saying, don't look at it. Don't talk about it. He's not that stupid to do something like that. And so the whole thing makes no sense. It is a disaster. We need change. He's brought in a bunch of good people. It's so sad. But because of integrity issues, I can't sit here and play along with it. And all the evidence points towards Mossad blackmailing Trump. And I just wonder how we're supposed to get out of this. And I hope he can fix it because normally an incumbent president that wins the first election, they lose the House and Senate. The numbers, according to the pollsters, we were trending to win. He was getting record numbers with everybody. Well, a lot of the fundraising came from very big donors, people like Miri Mattelson and stuff like that, that have a lot of political connections in Israel, obviously. And I think there's probably pressure from that avenue as well of people that spent a lot of money to help Trump get elected that are probably telling him, let's make this go away. Let's not have this be an embarrassment or worse. Your video cut out of you there. Sorry, yeah. Did you hear me? Yeah. He's coming back. Am I back? You are back. OK. I have most of that. What is that? Is that a devil on your? Is that Hillary Clinton on your? No, this is a lobster. It's the summer. See, that's like a. It's the summer. It's like those ink blots. See, what does that say about me? I don't see a lobster. I see a devil. I like it's the summer. I like it's the summer. So when the lobster's over and it goes to the fall, we put a pumpkin. I like it. Yeah. We try to make it nice while we talk about international sex trafficking cults and the other thing. By the way, Hollywood stands to probably get very embarrassed if this comes out too. Because this is not just political. There's probably a lot of big people in Hollywood. Let's be honest. Let's talk about who we know is heavily involved. You had a clear blackmailing operation against high tech people, science people, vaccines, genetic engineers, Harvard, massive Hollywood. The Clinton, Steve Jobs, wives, the Atlantic monthly owner, Atlantic magazine, all those people. And that's my big frustration is that we know they're all in there. We know it's all going on. And by Trump doing this, he's now joining with them. And he did it in such a terrible way as saying, you're not part of our organization. Have you questioned this? Which then backs up the left's claim that MAGA is a cult. Well, I'm not in a cult. So how are you processing this? Because I'm not a lesser to eagles guy, but overall Trump administration is a lot better. I think the Democrats, but at the same time as an integrity issue, because I become an accomplice by extension to Dylan, you might join in on the cover up. Agreed. I process it the same way you process it. I think securing the border, having the American working class regain ground and trying to provide a standard of living for people and not opening the borders. They've done that in the UK. It's caused tremendous strife. They're now putting people in jail for tweeting about social and cultural issues in that country. And he's gotten 15 trillion committed, 5 trillion has already flooded in. I mean, he got in this new economic line here, the Federal Reserve, which is the establishment, won't give him interest cuts. I mean, yeah, I mean, he is still the maverick. Here's what I know. And I'll give you the inside baseball and I hate to do this. Do it. I started hearing this about a year ago from people really close to Trump. He was 78 then, he's 79 now. And then all the trials, all the pressure, all the demonization, he doesn't crack up, but at a certain point he becomes a really grumpy old man. And now, I knew this months ago, and I kind of mentioned it, but I didn't want to attack him and give them fodder. But it is an issue that incriminates him. It's not Epstein stuff. It's not something that can be a problem. They'll bring in some side issue and he'll scream at them and say, I only want to hear about stopping World War III, bringing jobs back, securing the border, and defeating election fraud. And he gets really mad now. He didn't used to do that. And other people that talked to him, a week and a half ago saying, sir, you got to stop defending this and you got to stop the Epstein cover up. And these people he's done for 30 years, 50 years, he'll just say, fuck you then and hang up on him. Or kick him out of the Oval Office. So it's not just that he blew up about this. He's been, and it's good to have a guy that doesn't give a crap at a certain point for fighting corruption. But when he doesn't give a crap about his constituents, we're kind of experiencing, you know, what the establishment's experiencing. So I love him doing that to them, but with us, the optics are really bad. So that's a wrap. Who is he listening to? People say Stephen Miller and Susie Wiles have the most outsize influence in the administration. Do you think that's true? Yeah, I'm not defending Stephen Miller, but for my sources, he basically has the beat on the border and domestic stuff. It's Susie Wiles. And I hate to demonize her, you know, about trying to come after her. I was warned up front, she was bad news. And anybody that wants anything has to go through her. I just know her consultancy firm has gone from small to number one and- And Bondi and her good buddies, very tight. Is that the case? Absolutely, but they were at the same consultancy. Right. Is it weird that they have a huge consultant firm, but they're also both in a White House? It's a major conflict of interest. Yeah, seems so. So it's not quite, it's not quite a hundred Biden level stuff or 10% for the big guy. And again, I'm not trying to say they're the only problem. It's just that, look, a lot of it is, it's complex, it's huge, a lot's going on. And Trump is trying to be pragmatic, but if he thought he could make deals with the deep state and like, sir, the CIA and Mossad are implicated, let's shut this down, they walk into the trap and now, oh, by the way, that stuff we raided from the Democrats, it's all about you. And it doesn't mean it's real. I already predicted it's recycled. It's recycled BS about Trump. And that's why I think that's why we're seeing the fit. I think there's any part of him that says they'll kill me because they tried to, you know, they maybe tried to in Pennsylvania, you know, where very few people are satisfied with the explanation of who that, you know, would be assassin was, Thomas Matthew Crooks or, you know, he had no online footprint. We didn't know that much about him. The media has only recently started to kind of put out a narrative about him, but that was clearly a big brush with death do you think that there's any fear in that sense that Trump goes, you know, that the people are playing for keeps? I mean, I think that's at the end of the day. I mean, I think overall Trump won success for America and he's pragmatically trying to pick the best direction, but there's a new video out that's viral everywhere about look on July 13th. I just saw that, yes. You know, on July 13th, you see the film crew being waved up after he shot, it shows his production. Anybody that's been the presidential speech of Trump or Obama or any of them, which I've been to or Bush, W or any of them, I've been to all those. You have the Secret Service directing press up, directing press back. They tell you when you can be there, when you can. He gets shot, he falls down, they wave him back. He pops back up, they let the press in. These are TV productions. So people seeing that production and then thinking, oh, it's fake. No, the whole thing is a production, but I know ballistics, I know rifles. They didn't have real people shooting in him and then they just perfectly gravest his ear. And you can't fake real like that. You can't fake the acoustics of another shooter or a guy getting killed or other people getting shot in the background. I mean, the greatest directors all fused together. Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola. Anybody, right? Scorsese. Nobody can do that. Nobody can carry that out. That was real. His ear got grazed. The Democrats hold up the cartridges in the bullet and go, something this big hit you. No, it's this big. And when it grazes you, that's exactly what it does. And cause long story short, I got shot with 22 caliber pellet when I was 11 and it hit my ear and butt a lot, but the hole was closing like a day. Just went right through the side. Had the same thing happen. Kid named Mike Hamby shot me, it was an accident, but the point was, is that my grandmother's ranch, the point is, no, no, that was real. And all the law fair and all the indictments and the mug shot and the persecution I've gone through was real. And because of that failing, and because of what happened, they're not trying to spin that and make it go away, but people then see, oh, they pushed the media back. Well, if you go to any debate or presidential deal, they tell the media to come forward, they tell them to come back. And then once Trump pops back up, they're like, okay, he's okay, you can come back forward. Because they're producers, they're filmmakers that run this, they're trying to get iconic shots for videos or put down for Trump. And so they all seem shot, they get scared and run back. Then he pops back up, it's normal, okay, they creep back up, bring the cameras back up. You've got a bunch of Pulitzer Prize-winning photographers there, but they've got to do what the Secret Service says. So people go, oh, that's a production. Well, when Trump goes to the NFL game or the World Cup game, that's a production. Doesn't mean the game didn't play, doesn't mean it wasn't real. So, yeah, it is a production, but it's a production that is of a real event that's happening. Before you go, what do you think Netanyahu wants? I mean, they bomb Syria today, the Gaza thing's insane. They seem to be hinting that they're not done with Iran. I've heard from people and there's articles out, I mean, it's just not a secret that they don't, I don't think they feel like enough damage was done, they want to do more. What do you think ultimately in Trump's four years, they would like to see? Netanyahu would like to see like, what would be their goal here? Would it be to reconfigure Gaza in the image of what they would want? I imagine that's on the table. Is it another attack on Iran? What do you think it is? Well, this I'm an expert on, how much time do I have? Any as much as you want. Oh, geez. All right, Benjamin Netanyahu has been in power off and on for 25 years. And previously he represented the most right wing aggressive Israelis. And when Yishat Ramayne got in their way, it's on record, the group associated with him killed him. And now they've gotten Israel so radical, we can call it right wing is what the media calls it, just let's just say, Israeli supremacists. So, I'm trying to compare it to Hitler, but the closest thing you're gonna get is like, racial supremacy, we're taking it over. It's ironic for sure. We're the master, right? Well, look, they're gonna drive a group out of their homes into the desert. That's what Pharaoh did to the Jews 3,000 years ago. The pogroms, that was wrong to the Jews, it's wrong here. I'm not saying the Muslims a little angel cakes are perfect either, believe me. They're not little angel cakes, but I get it. Yeah, the optics are not good. Right. And so a lot of the Israelis was like, even Michael Savage is American citizen, great guy, pro-Israel, but he came on my show two weeks ago and said Netanyahu needs to go. According to all his sources, I mean, they've taken Israel for being one of the most popular countries in the world to the most, did you know Israel in international polls is the most unpopular country in the world? Yeah, they've had a rough couple of years in terms of their- Yeah, so, so, you know what's going on with Netanyahu? Netanyahu until three years ago on record, you pull up articles, was the main funder of Hamas. Right. Israel set up Hamas and funded their creation to discredit the PLO. So if you got one group you don't like, put a new, more radical group in that challenges them and then people forget about it later and you blow them up next month. Like I said, eight months ago when NATO, Turkey and Israel on record overthrew Assad after 18 years of trying or 17 years, I said, I bet in six months they're trying to overthrow the new al-Qaeda leader. Well, Israel's now bombing and trying to take him out. Which is the one dimensional thing sounds good. I don't like the leader of al-Qaeda and ethnically cleansing, monratical Muslims and Christians and Druze and others. But Israel literally ran field hospitals for al-Qaeda and bombed for them and put them in as a destabilizing force. Just like Netanyahu's predecessors, Lecudniks when they were in power, created Hamas. So then you have October 7th and this stand down, this little armed camp, incredible Israeli intelligence, one of the best militaries on earth, that's not high. Seven and a half hours, nobody responds to Hamas breaking across the fence and grabbing all these tears. Right. I mean, my God, you fart in Israel, they'll shoot a missile up your ass. So, and Netanyahu admitted there was a stand down, the army blamed him, he blamed them. That was a couple of years ago. He said, when the war is over, we'll investigate. Well, for Netanyahu in power 25 years, serious heart problems indicted, he stays in power by having crises. And so it really comes down to him and his party and they don't can't have elections for five months under emergency declaration. They can't even have elections because of this emergency. So he stands to gain, the weapons maker stand to gain with billions of weakened weapons being spent. Aaron's no angel cake, I'm not interested in them, but if you go back to Wesley Clark 20-something years ago, he goes to the Pentagon, which is declassified now, and they go, the next five years, we're taking out seven countries, Iran's the last. Well, they got Syria eight months ago, the last one is Iran. And it's not just about getting that Gaza strip. Right. Under international law, Israel gets 12 miles out and they've got one of the biggest gas fields undrilled because the conflict, I mean, it's more rich than, you know, off the coast of Texas or Louisiana. And so there's trillions of dollars and they've already built a pipeline up through there that goes up to Turkey. So Turkey is involved, Erdogan acts like he doesn't like Netanyahu, those guys are on the, they're Simon's twins, they're joined at the hip. And so it's all, and the US is involved, wants to act like it's not because it wants to stop the Belt and Road out of China and all the way through into Russia and Europe. They want this other pipeline they're building up into Europe out of there. And there's gas all the way up from Israel, Lebanon, Syria, all the way. And so Israel wants to build the main industrial shipping hub for shipping liquid natural gas and the pipeline up to Europe. It's got probably more gas than freaking Alaska. I mean, it's got more gas than Kuwait, more gas than, then, you know, areas there where Russia intersects with Ukraine. It's one of the richest gas fields in the world, trillions and trillions of pure liquid natural gas and oil that's near surface, by the way, it's not deep. And so it is a gold mine. So you hear Jared Kushner, oh, I'm gonna build condos here. And you know, these weird AI videos with Trump, oh, it's gonna be so beautiful. And Saudi Arabia wants to come in and offers to pay to make it all nice and you'll give all the Palestinians jobs. That's all a cover. The hotels and the swimming pools and casinos are nothing. It's that hub, because the Southern hub, you can say, well, there's natural gas all the way from right there in the Mediterranean up to Syria, but you gotta have the hub at the start of it for the pipeline to come up out of Israel. Right. And so this is not even debated. So we're talking, they're saying like $7 trillion in current numbers just off the coast of Gaza. You add it all up, it's over 20 trillion, you can leverage that. Then you have the military control. Israel is never actually, other than Tel Aviv, they've never had a proper port. And so this is about strategic alliances and control and blocking China. So I don't wanna just blame Israel and all the Israel. Yeah, I know, for sure. It's all about the US acts like, like Trump, oh please do a deal with Gaza, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb the next week, you know, eight years ago, does it again. Oh please don't hit Gaza, bomb, bomb, no. The US and its interests are absolutely along with Israel. Well, no, in that sense, I think you're right. What is the end game in the Ukraine? We are still cutting big checks, we're still spending a lot of money. It seems like we're trying to get that country nuked. I mean, hopefully there'll be a deal in place. The vice president said he thought that was a very big possibility, but it seems like the policy of America is to push Putin into a corner until he uses some type of tactical nuclear weapon. I mean, I can't see any other end game here. Well, as usual, your analysis just, you know, yourself is accurate. The head of France's finance, the head of their military, the head of Sweden, Germany, the UK have all said the last two years, you looked us up, they said, our business plan is a 20 to 30 year conventional war with Russia that will bankrupt Russia, will finally break Russia up into five parts. Well, that didn't work. Russia's outperforming weapons production, conventional munitions, artillery shells, three to one, drones, three to one. So that's not working. And so the EU's collapsed financially, it wants this. And you've got, just like Vietnam turned out with McNamara, he later admitted this before he died in the documentary, oh, it was just a big war game and to make money. They wanted a place where they could have won very quickly bombing the North. They could have won, you know, destroying it, but they never did that because it was just a way to pump. I mean, LBJ made like back then, they're like 20 billion down, like three billion himself. Just off dredging out the ocean and, you know, putting in ports. So it's all a giant war game. And you've had for 15 years, the US and Soros, overthrowing governments, Ukraine, stirring it up, poking Russians. And then they don't care as long as they can keep it going, they've laundered $300 billion in just the last few years. And it's all a big weapons laboratory. And so to them, they don't care. And it's a, I mean, they're talking about 30% of the EU budget now going to Ukraine. Psychotic. For the next, yeah. So, so a war is a big black hole that you can launder money through. And at the end of the day, Putin's more popular than ever that he's in a war. It's not like the Iranians and Netanyahu go wink, wink. The Mullahs are super unpopular. Now they're popular. You know, Putin was already popular. He's even more popular. It's not like they go wink, wink, but war is the health of the state. You know, if you go back to the movie on Henry VIII, called The King, which is a true story, he finds out at the end that his ministers have a rebellion in England with the Scots and the Irish and the Welsh, but it's all true story. These letters are public now. They've been public for hundreds of years. And his French cousin, they're really all just Norman from William the Conqueror, they're not even French or British, they're all like Vikings that conquered France and England. And they don't tell the new young king because his other brother, you know, died. So they had to have him when his dad died. This is a true story. And so he goes and has to have a war with France. And all his buddies die. He wins and as minister comes to the end and says, you did a really good job. We staged all this. That's why, you know, he meets with the king of France. Even though he killed his son, he goes, great job. You're really a real leader. And then he meets with the head minister and the ex-chicker head goes, we staged all this for you, sir. Now you've put down all the rebellions. You are now the true king of England. And he kills him. It's a true story. He pulls a dagger out because his best friend died. It stabs him to death. Learning this whole thing was staged. Real people died. It was a real war, but it was totally staged and put down rebellions in France and in England. And now that's how the real world works. Psychotic, unfortunate. I hope the Trump administration comes clean. It's the only way forward. People in this country need, you cannot have the abuse of children go unchecked. You cannot let foreign governments have leverage over our government and influence that, you know, makes us, you know, completely ignore all of our principles. And I'm not to say that we are passive or that we are little angel cakes, as you would say, we're certainly not, but everybody, we need to get all the information out. And I appreciate you. I think you're doing an amazing job. And I love that you still come on my show and I really appreciate you and a lot of people do. I'll come on in time. I've been begging to come on your show. We should come to awesome. But let me just have this final point. Yes. These Machiavellians think because they think in all this twisted, tindi chess that they're smart. No, it's sick. You said it earlier, this big economist, Martin Armstrong says, we're very close to nuclear war. Ranked corporation does. We understand conquest. We understand duplicitous, but with nuclear weapons and with biological weapons and with 9 billion people, we have to stop the conquest economy. We've got to have real peace. And we keep hearing about all this peace, but it's not, it's got to stop because it could get out of control. You ask, will there be nuclear war? Yes, on the threat escalation ladder, it goes from one to like 44 in the rank corporation. Everybody uses the same model. We're at like 35 now. A few more, remember two years ago, by the way, we can't give F16s and Abrams tanks that's World War three because it goes up the escalation ladder. We're now to, Trump met with Zelensky two weeks ago and said, maybe we'll bomb Moscow so they'll stop. You see, it just goes and goes and goes. It keeps going. And the elites would rather destroy the world than sacrifice their positions of power. Exactly, they've got their bunkers like Dr. Strangelove's based on a true story when Curtis LeMay and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, L.O. Lemister come to, when they came out in 64, made in 63, it's all declassified. And I know it's giving Kubrick and all the inside stuff, but it's just films made on it. This is the final thing. Curtis LeMay, the deputy head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, L.O. Lemister, look this up folks. They come in the last year of the Eisenhower administration. Supreme Allied Commander, super hardcore, you know, was mad at the Germans and said, well, there's only food for other people, we'll starve two million to death. Wasn't like he was a pussy at the end of the war. They come to him and they say, sir, we're gonna bomb our own military bases and shoot down our own planes and we're gonna blame the Russians and say the Cubans did it. And we've got a plan to sneak attack Russia and we think we'll only lose 20 million Americans in their nuclear response. But if we wait a few years under mutually assured destruction, they'll be able to take us out. And he fired them. And then they tried to come back and Kennedy fired them. That's Operation Northwoods. The movie, Dr. Strange Love was leaked basically to Kubrick and he made the film to show what happened. They were literally in meetings talking about mine shafts and how he could get gross domestic product up. Even in the worst case scenario, they knocked out most of the population. And they came to Eisenhower and then they tried again, guess who the adjunct of L.O. Lemister was? Who? Who? Like 27, Donald Rumsfeld. Wow. So when you see 9-11 in the Project America Century, it's the same people and then Dick Cheney, he brought in. So this is literally the ghost of L.O. Lemister and the ghost of Curtis LeMay. The movie, Dr. Strange Love is a documentary of what almost happened. The Cuban Missile Crisis declassified. The US put Nike missiles on the border of Russia in several places, including Turkey, medium range nukes. Russia put nukes there. I'm not a Russian or been to Russia. The point is, is that they, we're all told in school books, oh, the Russians put medium range nukes in Cuba because they're assholes. No, Khrushchev was on TV saying, get your missiles out. But our media was so controlled, nobody knew we put missiles on their border. So it's the same story. It's not the average American span, it's not that Eisenhower is bad or Kennedy was bad. We have these crazy power mad generals. And now what have we done? We've put missiles on Russia's border. That's what Russia said a year ago. They said, you've already are hitting us every day with medium range hypersonic missiles, we can't stop. If you hit us two or three day, we won't respond. But if we see a large aeronautic attack of hundreds or thousands of missiles, we have to believe it's a nuclear sneak attack because that's how they can shoot. These things go Mach five, Mach 10. They can take out all the Russian bases. Most of Russia's weapons are in the West. Most of the Russians live in the West. They say, if you shoot a bunch of these, we gotta go ahead and nuke you because we've gotta believe it's a nuclear sneak attack. That's why we're so close. You ask, are we close to nuclear war? The atomic energy, you know, scientist group out of Chicago, the most respected that looks at, has said we are the closest to nuclear war that clout, remember you're two minutes to midnight. They used to be two minutes to midnight. We're something like 20 seconds to nuclear war now. So with the Cuban missile crisis, that's two minutes to midnight means total nuclear war. The last time I checked, we're 20 seconds from midnight. That's your answer. Follow me at rail off Shones on X, infowords.com, four slash show. And I love you, Tim Dillon. Love you Alex Shones. Thank you so much, Alex Shones everyone. Thank you. Hi, this is Alex Kanshawits. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a long time reporter and an on air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. 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