#3363 Summer House S10E15 Part 1: It’s All Downhill From Here

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Cancel anytime in the Clana app. Exclusions, conditions and limitations apply to membership benefits. Clana membership terms apply. Hello and welcome to Watchra Crappins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Hello. How are you? Oh, I am. I am jazzed. I am so excited to talk about an explosive summer house episode that left many of our jaws agape. But before we do that, just some gentle reminders that we have a cabaret coming up in a few weeks in New York City and it's completely sold out. So thanks to everyone who bought tickets, but you can actually watch it with streaming. So be sure to use the links on our social media or on our website, watchrappins.com and go get your streaming links for a cabaret in the first week of June, June 3rd, June 5th, three shows. Also, patreon.com. Watchra Crappins is where you get all our beautiful Patreon content. We'll be recording a bonus episode after this one. Probably a trailer trash. We'll see. I think it is. And also, you get ad-free listening. There's a newsletter, a free newsletter that's on Patreon, Discord, all sorts of great, great stuff. Plus our video. If you want to watch our video a week before it hits YouTube, come to our Patreon. So with that all being said, wow, summer house. Summer should be fun. Big night for summer house. We had a big fight. We had a lot of emotions. We had a hug that lit the internet on fire. It was just everything was happening all at once. It was crazy. What did you think, Ronnie? Fun times. I loved it. Listen, I love when the men on this show fight because the men on this fight show is so stupid. They fight. The men on this show fight so stupid. Every time. And it's just a thing they do. I don't know if it's like a Hamptons thing, what it is, but they only fight by saying each other's names and it cracks me up. They've done it for so many seasons and they're still doing it. Whenever they get in a fight, they go, Carl, Kyle, Kyle, Carl, Carl, Kyle, Kyle, Carl. Like, guys, we know your basic ass names. Yeah. And they did that. And then Carl got really upset and started acting all tough and then waited for people to be there to hold him back, to act like he was going to get physical. You know, it's just typical. We've been watching this show now for 10 years and they are still pulling the same shit from the first season. And I loved it. I loved it. It was like going home. It was great. It was a great fight. Also, I thought this was a great episode for Carl. You know, we've done nothing but give Carl shit for 10 years. And I think he's deserved all the shit we've given him. But I also got to say, I thought he was really good this episode. I was happy to see him actually say exactly what was on his mind to Kyle, at least during that fight, and mouth off to Kyle. And I thought that was good, good for Carl. It was like, I felt like almost like... And then immediately rescind it right after. Oh, Kyle. You know, it was like a supernova that burns bright and then like, claps down. I didn't mean anything. I didn't mean... No, no, no. I wasn't offended about you not investing. Not at all. But it also felt like we've been sitting through this precious Carl for a few years now where it's like, I'm just like, think about myself. I'm just like trying to protect myself. It's like talking in therapy speak for so long. And then all of a sudden, like the seeds parted and Carl just started acting just like a little bit more normal. You know, and by normal is the wrong word. That's such a loaded term. But like, the therapy speak sort of went away for a moment. It just was like, he was just saying what was on his mind. And he was talking to other people in that way. He was talking to us that way. It was like, oh my God, Carl. Look, look at you. But, you know, then he sort of comes back in. But I thought it was a good episode for Carl, to be honest. Yeah. Well, it was it was an episode that Carl was in and I enjoyed that. It was it was a great episode. It was just a great episode. I mean, I think what I really loved about it, I mean, I don't I never fall for Carl's bullshit. You know, I have a thing. I do have a thing where Carl just makes me crazy. I don't know. I mean, I do know what it is. It's a lot of things, but he just kind of makes me crazy. So I'm never ever on Carl's side. And I think this was another episode where it was just like Carl being Carl, like, oh, yeah, like trying to look all tough in front of everybody and then immediately taking everything back like he couldn't stand behind really anything he said. It's just typical with Carl. But let me tell you, Carl may make me crazy, but he's been very entertaining on this show over the years. Even the boring years, he's brought something he's pissed other people off. You know, and even when he's making me rage and scream and yell, which I've done a lot of, I leave feeling like, well, that was something. It gave me something, you know? So it's like empty calories, but they're still calories. And I love calories. I love them. This is a veggie crisp. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I was into it. But my favorite thing was that somebody was finally telling Carl what we've been screaming all these years, because it seems like sometimes when you watch these shows and everybody's just maybe babying the person in this, in this situation, Carl, it's like, does nobody see this? Is anybody seeing this? Is it just us seeing this? So it's nice to hear Kyle being like, fuck you, Carl. Were I due to you? Nothing, you bitched and wide all summer. You're like, oh, I'm so sensitive. And I love that. I loved Kyle yelling at Carl. I was cracking up. That was nice too. This is nice to hear. That was nice too. Yeah. Like, thank you. He's like, oh yeah, you, you've missed our fucking sensitive Carl. Oh yeah, you're real fucking supportive of me, Carl. Yeah, you bitched about me behind my back. Oh, sonner. Like finally somebody said it, Carl, with his. Because he's kind of like Kyle from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Like, I've always been such a good friend to you. You've been talking shit about me all year. What are you talking about? Yeah, it was good. It was good to hear them all get the stuff off their chest. It's sort of fun watching Bros. Fight. It's also funny how quickly they patched things up too, which I enjoyed. I was like cracking up at that. But anyway, so we're in the fight. Little of the episode opens up with Kyle saying, fuck you, Carl. Which is kind of a funny way to open up a show. And yeah, they're reminding each other. Fuck me. Fuck me. Fuck me. Fuck you, Carl. Fuck yeah. Well, I do you. What are you talking about? I didn't do anything to you. You bitched online all summer. Yeah, you're like, oh, I'm the sensitive. Oh, you bitched online. You bitched online. Oh, OK. OK. I'm sensitive. Could you say that? Fuck. Yeah, no. Because we're the fuck of mind. You're a fucking big shirt. You fucking loser. Fucking loser. So everybody inside is like, uh-oh, there's a fight. And Carl's like, what the fuck do I do to you? Nothing except support your fucking ass. Support you. That's all I've done. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've been here for you all summer. I've been here all summer. Sure. Sure. Yeah, I did. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah, thanks a lot. Thanks for the support, man, bro. Yeah, I did. When I said your DJ career was for losers and I said, like, you're a shitty husband. And when I said you, like, wouldn't invest money in me, like you're not there for me, I was totally there for you. Were you talking about? Wow, really? Thanks a lot. Hey, thanks. By the way, thanks for your lack of support of me, you fucking loser. Go focus on yourself for once. Ha. And he gets in his face. Carl comes up and gets in his face because now people are coming out. So this is when Carl gets really tough because before people come out, he's like, hey, what's wrong? What's wrong, Carl? Like, what's up? Maybe you should calm down a little bit. And then people come out and he's immediately like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hold me back. Hold me back, man. Hold me back, man. Yeah, he always, he always, he always flops around once there is like a shield of people to hold him back. Every single fight is the funniest thing. It's like, he's like, hey, what are you saying to me, Carl? What's going on? Oh, Ben's here. Ben and Kager here. Ha, ha, I'm out of control. And then he gets right in Carl's face. He walks up to him and bows at him. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to bow. You're going to bow at me, bro. You know what? Fuck off, you fucking six foot, five mother fucker. Okay? That's right. I'm going to weaponize you, right? Um, you decide to your advantage. You decide to your advantage. That's not fair. Jess is like, hey, hey, hey, some of us are six six. Come on, man. And then I like Ben is out there. He's like, oh, boys, boys, boys, boys. Hold on one second. I've got someone on the phone here. It's Sabrina Bell. And she says, oh my God, oh my God, you guys are fighting. I love that for you. And I love when my friends fight because it means they care. I support you both so much. And I just want you to remember as both of your best friends that I'm here for you. Yeah. Yeah. Six foot, five mother fucker. You use height to your advantage. Really? Yeah. Go ahead. Hit me. Hit me. Go ahead. Hit me, bro. Hit me. Stop that. Stop that. Let's not shame him for being tall and using height for his advantage. You do know that you have height on him, Carl. You can really take care of him really easily. Oh, don't be long. Oh, don't be long. He's becoming happy. Kyle. No. Oh, hit me. Not all fucking summer, man. Not all fucking summer. So then Carl pushes Jesse and KJ. He's like, let me have him. Let me have him. No, no, no, guys. I think what we need to do is to calm the situation is just to have a little bit of a serenade. So I'm just being me. I'm Jesse Solomon. Just a guy watching fights. That's all you can do most nights. Just gotta be me. Wait a second. Is Kyle fighting Carl? And Sierra's like, oh my God, I'm going to beat his mother fucking ass. Sierra bolts outside. And Lindsay, the other women start going outside. And I mean, I was like, guys, no, no, he's not okay. No, no. What the fuck is wrong with you? What's wrong with you? West is like, Carl, Carl, you're good. Okay, you're good. So now everyone's like, oh my God, they're fighting. What's going on? Fight, fight. What the fuck is wrong with you, Kyle? Get the fuck off of me. Hey, you're good. You're good, you're good, you're good, bro. You're good. Come on, bro. Come on down. Come on down. So what's happening? West is like, they're fighting. Just let him go. And then he grabs her. She's like Kyle. And he comes behind her and kind of grabs her under her boobs, which is really weird. And then pulls her away and then just puts his head right up to her ear. And he's like, don't do this. She's like, Kyle's fucking himself over right now. Just like Kyle fuck himself over. Maybe we can call the police later and then being in the closet. Just give it a few more hours then we can drive off to Mexico. So then Kyle's like, Carl, Carl, we're trying to support you. And Ben's like, oh, he's just chilled, just chilled. Like everything you say is about you. Well, really, look inside. Look inside. Look into your heart. Oh, Kyle, breathe. Kyle, Kyle, breathe for a second. Stop, Kyle. Kyle goes inside. He's like, I'm sick of this fucking shit. And the way he's walking, it's like. He walks. He walks away that I unfortunately, Carl and I have the same gate, which is that we keep our elbows by our hips, but our, our forearms flop around. It's just like angry penguin flop. So he walks in doing the thing like that I do. He's like, I'm going inside. I'm mad. So he goes inside and then a man is like, Kyle, stop. I'm sick of this. That's my everybody. I'm sick of this. Oh, I'm gonna stop this relationship. I want to leave you. Stop. And inside Lindsey, you know, old dependable Lindsey is like, Oh my God, Carl, look at me. Carl, look at me. Carl. Yeah. Think of the brother Carl and think of the brother Carl. I'm so scared. Look, he's coming after me. I know he's like flipping out at everybody else. Oh yeah. You think he wants to piece with me? I'm going back out there. It's like. No, no, Carl, take a deep breath. And think about all the ways that you wronged me in the past few years. No, no, not now, Lindsey. I love Lindsey. This is how I felt when your mother came up to me at soft bar. You're just you. What better thing to be than just you little short haired Lindsey. You little skank bitch. How you broke my son's heart. Anyway, have a great one. You want to hug? I actually loved Lindsey being like, Carl, you stand over here. It felt like Lindsey has been so annoyed at Carl. But like in this moment, it actually felt like it stepped into old timey dynamics. Like, OK, now this is like, I feel like this is probably the thought because you know, they're friends again now, they were like hanging out at the up front. And I feel like this was the moment of the thought because in this moment, it wasn't about like, he's my ex and I'm so fucking mad at him. It's more like this is Carl, the guy I've known for many years. And I'm Lindsey like, we have a relationship that goes back many years. And I can tell him you go and stand in time out right now. Yeah, exactly. So meanwhile, I'm adding Kyle or outside. She's still like, please breathe. I'm just going to be in the fucking frying pan. She's like, no one's frying anything. Yes, they are. I got bacon grease all over me. No one even wipes it off and it just coagulates. I'm running out of here. Why is there always a frying pan? No, Kyle, please stop the metaphor. We're not attacking you. Everyone can fuck off, fuck off. Okay, we need you to Kyle, calm down. We need you to calm down. I'm going to get out. And Carl's like, I'm not going to calm down. I mean, he's coming after me. I'm just trying to calm his ass down. Okay, please don't ever work for EMS. You know what I mean? All right. I heard there's someone sick on the street here. Whoa, whoa, whoa. They're swinging at me. You know what? Fuck you person with a heart attack. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. I just need to be calmed down. I need somewhere soft. I need soft. Take me to soft bar. Ha, so fucking out of line. Don't go back out there, Carl. Carl, don't go back out there, Carl. Carl, Carl, there's no hugs out there. No hugs out there. Whoa, really? Okay, I'll stay inside. Ha. I'm so sick of that frying pan. I'm sick of that. I'm going to let him have that. I'm so sick of frying pan. I'm so sick of that. You know, why can't we just get out like a fucking stickless? Why can't we just get stickless? Sick of that. Levi's like, come back inside. Like, who said that? What was that? Was that a voice? We're haunted now. We're haunted. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crap-ins commercial. When was the last time you stopped and listened to your body? Here's a Holland and Barra ad break to do just that. Go on, tune in. Think about your body when you exercise. Are those knees creaking? Are your muscles ever so slightly aching? Or are they trying to say? You've got to show me that. We know what your body's asking for. Instore online on the app. Back your body, Holland and Barrett. 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He's got his trap his wife faced on. So then, um, I'm having design. Kyle, look at me. Look at me for a second, Kyle. And he's like, I didn't put money into his business. You know why? Because I put more money into my business than he could ever put it. That even put it. And it's like, so man is like covering his face. Like, don't like, don't say things that you're going to regret. I'm like, don't hug people that you're going to regret, lady. Yeah. So Carl comes back out and he's like, oh, I'll beat the fuck out of you. Okay. Yeah, watch out. Here are our call. I was like, Carl, stop being a vagicill. What? Like I won't be degrading to women and say, don't be a vagina. But what I will do is be degrading to the vagicill brand. So don't be that brand. Don't be vagicill. Carl, how about you stop helping women with yeast infections? Carl, how about you don't be a nationally recognized brand that's actually successful and like Loverboy? How about that? Carl's like, I will literally beat the fuck out of you. You know it. You know I will. When you look at someone who's owning some blinks, something called soft bar, you know, they're going to beat the fuck out of you. Right. Kyle, no. So I mean, I was like, Kyle, shut up. I'm going to, it's like too much. Like I'm going to fucking like punch you in the face. Stop it. And so Carl's like, oh, stop fucking talking. I'm going to beat your fucking house, Carl. Wait, wait, hold on. Could I get some help here? Okay. They're holding me back now. Yo, I'm going to beat your ass. I'll beat your ass. But first, before I beat your ass, I'm going to need you to hug me. Oh yeah. Just get me ready. Put your weight on me. Oh yeah. And Levi and me are watching. They're like, oh my God, this is so intense. My heart's racing. The man is like, you could have handled that so differently. Kyle's like, no, everybody can suck my fucking dick. All right. You guys can do it. Fucking vagisil over there. Shut up, vagisil. If your company had as much use as vagisil, it would probably be worth something, you fucking loser. Oh yeah. Kick you up. I'm going to kick your ass. Get out of here, orgel. Don't need you around. Oh, you got to get us up going to CVS so much. I don't. Fuck off, vagisil. I've had it with you. Oh, big Neutrogena talking over there. Wow. Oh, now you're moving on to things without a ill at the end? Okay. Yeah, because I can adapt, Carl. I can do that. Okay, Carl. Yeah. Okay. Kick your ass. Stupid adapting motherfucker. Okay. Oh, Lettuce over there with a long eyelashes. Congratulations. Oh, hey everyone. Claire all just walked in. Okay, now our makeup. Now our makeup. That's hair dye. This is an hair dye. They saw Pop Charity at Walgreens, right? You're a pop guy. Oh, look at this is a solo Cadbury cream egg that's gotten a little great little sticky, huh? Oh, you're in the impulse purchase aisle now. Maybe I am. Shut up. I've heard it all summer long and clear. Jesse's like, clearly there's some onwards well feelings. And you know, I just I can't deal with that guy. I'm going to sign. So he leaves and cause I got hurt Ben. I was really hurt because like, I used to talk shit about me and he couldn't say it to my face. Like he's pissed. I didn't invest like, bro, we talked about it in December 24. I said, Merry Christmas. I'm not investing. Okay. And you're telling everybody you're upset about it now. Well, Santa Claus is gone. Okay. You can't complain about the call you got in your stocking in July. Wow, big deal. Frosty the snowman didn't invest in soft bar either. We're going to do a boycott snowman. I don't think so. Just the way life goes. You better be good. You better be nice. Apparently you better be besting in soft bar mother fucker Jesus Christ. Ben's like, hey, no one's saying you're the bad guy except the entire audience. All right. That's not how I feel. I've been the bad guy all summer. Okay. I'm sorry. I forgot Carl's six foot five and more fragile than a fucking china doll. I'm west is like, well, I can't tell you really upset. Yeah, West, we see. We see that West, but thanks for coming in. Because I know, yeah, with the brothers, you know, guess who's been there? Guess who's been there for the whole brother thing. Okay. Don't say it. No, don't say anything stupid, Kyle. Because you don't want to get on the bad side of the audience. So like be careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot my dad's fucking birthday last weekend was so sue me. All right. Sue me. But we're just like, like this is why like the shit's so deep because it's like, I'm not even like about Carl. Maybe I don't know. Like, what's it fucking about? What's the fuck? Yes, it is about Carl. So like you're mad at Lindsay because like to be totally honest, Lindsay, just like, fucking tried to like fucking start some shit with you. And like, I don't know. Like you just got like riled because of like Lindsay and like you kept looking at Amanda. And I was like, stop looking at my girl, you know, and you were like looking at her. And I was like, I'm going to sit behind her and you're looking at her. And I was like, what? That's my girl though. You know, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I like when Carl's even wasted, he can still understand. Like he still can't be gaslit because he's like, no, because what Lindsay was saying felt like something that was a madness to her, which yes, that's the point. That's why I don't love him saying fuck you to Amanda. He totally should not be doing that. What an idiot. But I mean, you get why? I guess he knows that she's been talking shit to everybody. Now it's coming out through everybody else. And he's like, okay, so one minute, I think we're going to therapy and working on the things. Next thing I find out you're telling people you're leaving me and then you're telling Lindsay all this other shit to come at me like what the hell? And then just sitting there smirking while everybody's like giving me shit at dinner. Yeah, exactly. And so West is like, but that's like kind of how like you fucking like your shit with like Amanda comes out like when other people talk to you and things like, okay, all wrong. You think that she's saying it wrong. You think that she's saying that. And West like, yeah, and like that's like what the problem is because it was like, it was like Lindsay, to be mad at Lindsay because like Amanda didn't fucking say anything. I was like, no, she just stared at Kyle and smiled while he like sat there and everyone grilled him. Although by the way, people grilled him. The grilling was not undeserved to by the way, but yeah, she definitely was enjoying that moment. So inside Lindsay's like, I'm your man because like I instigated this and I didn't mean to. But Lindsay, you shouldn't feel bad because that man should be able to have a conversation and talk about these things without going off the deep end. No, I only feel bad because I wanted the chef to be able to serve his whole meal and he didn't get to. So I feel bad about that. Everything else is great. I love it. He's like, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. And I'm like, but like I'm literally asking you like, what's your idea of partnership? Because this does not seem like a partner. Well, because he preaches about partnership all the time, but he wants partnership when it's me to him, but not him to me. Yeah. And you're not wrong on anything you said. And that's why I just sat there quietly and let you do it. And so then Mia is like, Mia goes up to Carl. She's like, look, I know you and Kyle have history. Oh, I love the guy. I love him. I love him. I love, I love that short little man. And Mia is like, and I know you love him and I know that's why you're responding this way. And I'm just like watching crumble. And he's always like, whoa, is me. Whoa, is me. I'm like, Carl, I'm not sure people in in woe houses shouldn't be throwing woe stones. Yeah. Yeah. He's throwing away his relationship for what? Like to DJ? Like what? He doesn't even have his own fucking music. Okay. Like that's what you're going to bank on next five years of your life. A DJ gig. Like, I'm sorry. That's insane. That's insane. Um, Carl's not necessarily wrong, but also Carl is the one who's made soft bar. So we'll just move on. Well, I mean, look, congrats on soft bar, you know, like congrats on getting that one thing off the ground, but you're like in your forties and that's the first thing you've ever done that stuck. So this guy's like got multiple businesses and he's actually bringing in a lot of money DJing. So I don't know. Like I also like, I mean, I think it's kind of weird for a 43 year old to be like, I don't even need you DJing, but at the same time he is bringing you money and trying to pay off his fucking dollar debt. So I just think, I think we sat through like a summer or two summers, maybe of Carl complaining, I just want to be supportive. I have this vision. I just want to be supportive. I just want to work more. I just like, why can't I be supportive? Why can't it be like, oh my God, I love what you're doing instead of like, that's not about my podcast. Is that you remember? And Lindsay's like, yeah, damn it. I bought him all this podcast equipment. Yeah. So we sat through all that and now he's like, I mean, really, you're going to be a DJ. You don't even have your own music. I'm like, Carl, do you remember, do you remember your grievances? Be consistent. So Carl's like, well, I'm good. I just think of realize that he has a lot of things that he truly needs to figure out. And until then, I think I know where I stand. It's here in the kitchen, by the way. I'm in the kitchen. I'm sitting in the kitchen. And it's much higher than he stands. So I'll just be tall over here. And Billy's like, don't go. Don't please don't please don't. We could make out again. If you don't go in there, come on, we can make out. Let's come on. Let's take a beat as a musician. I know specifically what a beat is. So it's like, no, I can say that I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm like a corpse plant. I've loomed right now and then I won't say my real feelings for the next 100 years. Thank you very much. Everyone. But above we could make out again and all the girls like, oh my God, make out, make out. Guys, it's not the time for this. Okay. This is not one of the make out games. They're like, okay, I guess they're not going to make out. Yes, we'll go back to the kitchen. This sucks. No, it's making out. So then inside, uh, Bailey's like, uh, wow, that was pretty hot. Jesse's like, oh, I'm going to go talk to the girls. And Carl's like, I'll be fine. I'll be fine, guys. Don't worry about me. So Lindsay goes up to Kyle and she's like, um, I was not trying to battle you. I was trying to destroy you. So I, I don't think you understand when I was not trying to make you mad. I was trying to make you soft. We were just like all thrown by your biggest residency that like no one knew about. He's like, no, Ben's like, it's not a residency. It's just management. Thank you. So great. When you're a model who can clarify things. Thank you. Appreciate that. So yeah. Well, that's the confusion because like if we didn't know like it was a residency, we don't even know what we're mad about. And Ben's like, but it was misunderstood. It's just management. Have you spotted anything? Only seagulls. Are you sure this beach is a nature reserve? Well, the sign said nature this way. Hey, what's that big bird over there flapping its wings, unusual markings? 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Harder, Amanda, harder, harder. God, I've been waiting two years for one of these things. He throws a tantrum at me. That's too hard. That's too hard. That's too hard. I'm a little bit like a haul. You know, Carl throws a tantrum at the dinner table for like how many summers now? Like am I right? High five. Whoa, my high five was very high. Sorry about that. Low five for you. Low five for me. High five for you. Okay. Oh, great. Whatever. Six foot five. High five. Her employee. Oh. Oh. She went to eight feet with a high five. Hey, Amanda. Hug me. You hug me. You're last around me. Okay. Now that you're last around me. Okay. Come on me, bro. Come on me, bro. Come on me, bro. Yeah. I just kind of act like that. And so Dara, Dara's like, oh my god. Are you okay talking about this? Do you want to? Because it's not your responsibility to explain what's going on with that. Okay. You don't have to. I'm Dara and I'm telling you what you have to or do not have to do today. Do you want to talk about it? Do you not want to? Do you not want to? Okay. Are you feeling okay? Are you okay? Okay. I'm going to go in the bathroom for a while. No, not the bathroom. I'm sorry. That was outside. It wasn't outside. I don't know. Who said I went to the bathroom? Okay. I'm holding me back. Holding me back. Hey, wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. That's mine. Oh. I'll hold you back if someone holds me back. Okay. Wait a second. We're doing a conga line. What's happening? By the way, did you see that KJ and Dara posted something on? KJ posted something on Mother's Day. There was a picture of him with Dara and he's like, Happy Mother's Day to future mother or something like that to Dara. Everyone's like, oh my God, is Dara pregnant? Is Dara pregnant? Is Dara pregnant? She's like, no, I'm not pregnant guys. Yeah. Happy birthday. Happy Mother's Day to the future mother of my children. Guys. Slow down there, Tyga. Slow down, buddy. So West is on the phone on a chair in the front porch. So Jesse and Sierra go and hang out with them. And Sierra's like, hey bud. And just like, that was crazy. And like one thing that is happening through this episode is that this trio is like in the wake of the resolution of an episode and a half ago. Like it's kind of like, oh my God, we're back. We're back. We're back. Yes, the trio is back again. And which makes the real world news all the sadder with the whole love triangle. Because it's like, oh, you guys were in such a good place. So Ben is like, with Kylan's like, you want to have a seat, mate? Just just sit down and chill. Just sit down, sit right next to this male model and enjoy yourself. Okay. Bass. You'd cover stage with the air on the beat. And Sierra's saying maybe you would have managed to separate for a month. Oh, and not so it's bringing up this emotion right now. So it wasn't my fault either. It wasn't my fault after all. Oh my God. Residency management. Who knew? Didn't even have anything to do with it. Vindicated. I just feel attacked, you know? And Lindsay's like, well, I know. And I feel really bad about that. Just kidding. I don't, but I'll tell you that. And it's like, I'm just being blamed for like everything. Like I'm in such a freaking vulnerable sense of the spot that I was like, oh my God, I can't wait for this weekend. Yeah. And you have a lot of pressure. Yeah. And it didn't take much to just rock my world. Okay. I know Kyle, but one second, you know, you have to work on your reactions. Like you've got to stop saying, fuck you to Amanda. I mean, that has to stop. He's like, well, she deserted me. I feel like she deserted me. Even though I've gone six months a year. Yeah. And I love that Lindsay said this. She goes, and maybe she feels asserted when you go and DJ and then go out and stay out late. And then she's getting DMs like that. At least someone feeling abandoned as well. And that's what you have to understand. Then he's like, but no, no sex for seven years and no attention, no friendship and no partnership will probably wear someone down. So basically he's saying, yeah, there's a reason why I'm going out and DJing all the time. It's because I am also feeling like I'm not getting, I feel abandoned as well. So basically the point is they are living in a whole of a relationship and they both need to get up. They both feel abandoned by each other. Smell. At a certain point, I feel like I've sort of gotten to a place where it's like a chicken and egg situation because it's like, oh my God, like Kyle has like Kyle's going off and DJing and Amanda just wants her husband. It's like fucking Kyle. You don't even realize how you're contributing to the downfall of this relationship. But then you see Amanda being so emotionally distant and close off to Kyle and you're like, well, you know, you've got to like give something to your man, right? Like you got like you're in this relationship too. But then you're like, but she's like that because Kyle's like this. And he was like, but Kyle's doing that because of Amanda. And you realize like there's no point in seeing where this all started. Well, there is, we all know where it started, which was the affair. Honestly, that's where it all started. Yeah, but that was before they were even married. And it was even before them because like we wouldn't have summer should be fun. Amanda, not fun. If there weren't already these issues in this relationship, let's be honest. I mean, it started the first episode and I say that was before the marriage, not like that excuses anything, by the way. I'm just saying it's from the very beginning. It's always been this dynamic of like, oh, Kyle, I'll come over, but I don't want to keep coming over if I'm not your girlfriend. Well, I don't want a girlfriend, but then I'm not going to keep coming over. But then I need you to come over, but then I need you to be my boyfriend. Okay, we're boyfriend and girlfriend. I mean, it's been this like crying and you don't want me and then and then from the beginning. So it's been, that's been their thing from the beginning. I don't think they would even know how to break out of the cycle. You know, at some point it's just like chewed up gum on the ground. You know, you see it and you're like, I didn't chew it up. I'm not cleaning that shit up. And it just stays there and it stays there and it stays there. And eventually you're done at Claire's and you're like, I do not need a piercing. I'm 50 and you walk back to your car and you end up stepping in the gum. Like you could have just bent down and cleaned up that gum. And this would have been solved. But now you've ruined your adidas. They were the only cute shoes you had. That's a hundred percent what I think of. And I think, I think ultimately Kyle, the, the problem is relationship is, I think that Kyle always dangled the carrot of like, don't worry. This is what I'm doing right now is temporary and you're going to like, like you will, we will reach the promise land together as a couple. And then she's just always thought that she could change him and like that. It's just, it was never going to work all these years. But where it started, hard to say, but it happened all at once, I think, and it's terrible. So Kyle is now crying and he's sad. And then outside Jess is just Jesse and West and Sierra hanging out and Jesse's like, this is tequila rocks. I don't know if you guys want some of the drink, right? And then West goes, oh, this is like so 2023. Oh my God. And Sierra goes, we are so back. Like, Sierra, no. And so yeah, they're like celebrating. So then Lindsay is checking with Amanda now and she's like, well, I mean, I had a calm conversation with Kyle and I was like, what you cannot do anymore is they fuck you to Amanda. And then he's starting crying and he was like, but I feel deserted. And then he said, he had a long conversation with Sierra and she suggested maybe you take him up off and she's like, yeah, I told her he wouldn't go for that. Oh my God. It's not only his choice. It doesn't matter if he goes for it. I think a lot of this too is because Kyle has like a monologue later to himself. We're like, no one's going to listen to me. I'm just going to do a days of our lives monologue in the closet. And he just goes to the closet and starts talking to himself into the mic. He's like, yeah, well, this sucks because Amanda wanted to leave me forever, but she won't do it because she won't fucking do anything on her own. And I think that's a part of it too. It's like, well, Kyle, you know, Kyle's paying for stuff and Kyle's got the apartment and Kyle pays for the car and Kyle does this and Kyle does that. And she doesn't want to, it's like leaving home. You know, it's like my parents are mean, but I have to now pay for stuff. I think this is also because I wasn't really my red thing. I was not when I was 15, but still, you know, I get the idea. I think this is a common thread also is that I think that Kyle really, he's a, he is, I think, very alpha and he's like a self-starter and he goes and he's an entrepreneur and he goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, goes. And I think that's not Amanda. That's not really her vibe. And, you know, she sounds like she's not the same sort of self-starter. She's also has been very open about dealing with, you know, mental health and falling into depressions. So like, I think, I mean, Kyle struggles with Amanda being like just not as active or as motivated and that drives him absolutely nuts. And I do almost wonder if now Amanda sort of, she is in that kind of lane of like, I'm just going to have someone do this for me because like, what's even the point of trying to make my own decision? Cause he's just going to like, he's just going to railroad over my choices anyway. Well, I mean, I think there's definitely something to him always making the decisions and then like, well, what kind of person are you if you, if you want to be making all the decisions and then you're with somebody who has no, no drive in them, you know? So what does that say about you? Is it like, do you want a controlling thing with them or whatever? I mean, they're both just got so many fucked up things going on. Yeah. So many codependent things going on. That's right. Right. Thanks. So, so, so Lindsay is, yeah, saying this whole thing about like, she says that Kyle got really emotional about this stuff. And so Amanda is like, well, one thing about Sierra is that she tends to say out loud what I've been thinking internally, which is sort of another example of someone doing the rest. I want to fuck West. Amanda. That's the first thing I said. I was like, yeah, yeah, I know. You seem to copy a lot of what Sierra is thinking. Sorry, go ahead Ben. No. So she goes, you know, I've considered, do we separate? Do we break up? Like I've had all these thoughts and at this point, all the fuck yous, all the glares, all the nastiness just making me feel stupid. Like, what am I holding out for? Yeah. But at the same time also, this is the point where you need to be the one saying these things, not Sierra. Like you, you need to have the conversations. And then when Sierra was saying this stuff, you should have said to Sierra, but this is something I have to talk to Kyle about, you know, but she doesn't because she knows that Sierra is going to go to bat for her. And that's kind of shitty, I think, because it's like, it's a weird position. You know, it's a weird thing to have this friend be the one be like, you guys should separate. Yeah. But there's a lot more going on than emotionally too, because there is the whole lover boy thing and that's been going on since they've been together pretty much almost the whole time they've been together. So it's like, do I leave them now? Do I leave this guy who I've been in this hellish relationship with now when basically all we have is debt? Or do I hold out hoping we can eventually sell this fucking thing? And there's a payout. You know what I mean? Right. Not to be cynical, but anybody with any kind of brain in divorce is going to be thinking that like, well, do I leave now or do I wait for this thing to finally be a success that I've been a part of too? You know? So, yeah, she's very much like, yeah, I'm serious just saying what I'm thinking. And so then back in the kitchen, she's like, I mean, this just can't be the way he handles things. That was a lot. And Bailey's like, oh my God, I'm not going to lie. I did not hate angry Carl. That was so hot. Oh my God, I'm so into Carl, guys. Mia's like, did that turn you on a little bit? Oh, it did. It did. It did. I saw the bad side and I was like, I was getting, he was getting pulled off of him. And I was like, oh, I don't hate this. I am, I am ready to go grab a bowl of sweet green and do things in the bathroom with it. Whoa. Now there's a man who can throw a salmon salad across the sweet greens. Right there. I was like, uh-oh. That's pretty bad. It's like you're kind of bored with Carl until he shows the toxic traits. And then you're like, yep, I'm into it. Yeah. Let's, let's book it, which is why I can't date. I'm like that, you know. So I see that, I see that in myself and like, no. So then, uh, Lindsay. Yeah. Nice guy's finished last, but they do let you finish your salmon salad. And you know, at some point you gotta, you gotta eat the salad. Okay. So then Bailey is like, oh my God, his neck was bulging. His skin was like, uh, I loved it. He's like, oh, and I, you know, like he's got his little dog tags on. Wow. I cannot ever get over dog tags. It was just so hot. I want him to make out with me again. Yeah. I'm ready. He's yelling. I was like, this is my husband. Bailey, Bailey. It was the hottest thing I've ever seen. Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, guess what? Tomorrow morning he's off to marathon practice again. So I think that lady boner is about to go right back down the hall. I'm going to go run 26 miles. Oh, not as fun. So, God, these are my favorite pants, by the way, they're gone. Ben's like, no, a bit of blood might never hit anyone. We'll get it out. I was like, blood, where did the blood come from? What happened? I think, because there, uh, was there a physical situation that happened? I feel like they didn't even touch each other. So Kyle's like, I just wish I could fucking control my emotions better. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And I just like, I feel like, I just feel like I'm drowning. All right, listen, it's just tough right now, but hang in there, mate. All right, it's all going to be good. One day you can meet a lady obsessed with chokers and your life will never be the same again. Just hang on. Thank you. Hang on. Thank you. Thank you for the hug. So in Carl's room, KJ's like, bro, I was scared that you were about to hit him. Like that was the first time he's like probably ever seen me up in his face like that. Yeah, pretty much. I actually, I just, I just, it's all my friend to be okay. That's it. It's like, yeah. And it's just like, he's like thinking like he's being painted out to be like a bad guy. It's like, Kyle, like no one's looking at us as a bad guy, bro. We just think you're a douche. That's different. Yeah, yeah, never, never. Not the bad guy. He's not the bad guy, even though I said, you don't care about me. You only care about yourself. And I reminded him that I was six, five. Oh, sure. Sure, man. Oh, we just want to see you grow. He's like, yeah, I don't know where we're going to go from here. Oh, so Kyle's still coming to Ben. I hope Kyle grows too, but we don't want to be up. Oh, hey, I'll high five. Oh, sorry. Low five for you. I'm low five for me again. I hope he gets on platform shoes. Spiritually, I mean, of course, spiritually. Soft shoes. So Kyle, I was like, dude, now I got to go about it as a girl. Ben's like, well, it might be easier to have a real chat now. You know, now that you kind of let it out all outside, Nate can sit down and be like, listen, I don't like the way you were talking to me, Sabrina Bell, you know, things like that. It'll be nice. It'll be good for you. So just say sorry and let's unpack it there. So Mia was like, oh my God, this is a lot, you guys. And everybody's just saying, oh my God, it's so intense, blah, blah. So West goes inside to see Amanda, of course. And she's like, oh my God, West, are you pulling up your chair next to me to stand up for me? And then they hug and hug and hug and he kisses her head and sniffs her hair. The whole thing. The whole thing. And clearly if they have not been hooking up already, this has got to have been at a conservative timeline. This has got to have been the beginning of the emotional affair. Right. Oh, they found this is like a significant moment right in this timeline. Those two are fucking. So he's like kissing her head and stuff. And he says no problem. She's like, I love you. I was like, are you good? Because he's not even going to say it now. There's no way you're not going to get that out of him. She's like, oh yeah, I just got a piece. So now Sierra goes inside and Jess is like, don't worry. I'll stay out here with a watermelon. Okay. We just see him with a random watermelon on the porch. Watermelon. Significant in the summer househouse. So if you're seedless, how are we supposed to procreate watermelon? Watermelon. Why we been talking about that before our first date? That's right. I'm going to write that one down. Spot the plane. So now it's time for the big Kyle and Carl summit like tensions are high. They're at each other's throats. These two friends of 10 years, best friends even one was the efficient in a wedding. The other one would have been a flower girl and the other one's wedding had it actually happened. What will happen? How will they even be able to find a way to connect? Are there is the abyss is so large. Bro, pull it in. I love you, man. I love you too, man. I love you too. I'm so bad. I just like what I hate is not being able to support you and not being able to like, I don't know. I don't know how to help. And I just, I lost my shit. I lost my shit because all I want to do is help. I cracked up that after this whole big fight, like, you're a six foot five loser. Yeah. It's all wrong. And it's like, bring it in, bring it in. They just hug. It's like, it's so bro. It's so broy. Yeah. He's like, I know how to moan shit too. And he's like, I'm there hugging. Carl's like, no, I'm sorry too. You know, I made it worse and that wasn't my intent. I was, I was trying to find a way to calm you down, which is why I called you a loser and then told everybody your career sucked. So I tried to calm you down, but then I realized you're so short. You already are kind of down. So I was like, I was actually trying to see if I could calm you down. Way down. Way down. Calm you up. Yeah. Pretty far down the way. Way down. Okay. Well, I was trying to look at the clouds. Hey, Kyle, did you fall down a well? I wanted to give you some seeds so you could climb the beanstalk and talk to me face to face. Well, I was afraid you were going to get up here and try to steal my golden goose. Yeah, it's a different fable, but that's okay. No, it's the same one. No, it's the same one. Golden goose. Jack and the Beanstalk. Yeah. I don't know if it's golden goose. Giant had the golden goose and Jack tried to steal it. Okay. I mean, I'm talking about the end of the woods version. So we're, we're New Yorkers. So, oh yeah. Well, you know, there's giants in the sky. There's giants in the Hamptons. Oh, so that would have had to sell. So then Amanda's going upstairs and she's like, oh my girls, they would have hated tonight. My dogs, my dogs would have hated tonight, you guys. I'm sure your dogs hate their existence at this point. My poor dogs having to listen to these two. Seriously, the dogs have heard worse, unfortunately. The dogs need emotional support dogs. Yeah, they really do. Especially because one of them is named Badgesill. So awkward. So Kyle is like, oh, I want to do it. Just like squash it because like that was heated. By the way, Kyle, Kyle putting more energy and more effort into making sure like he's understood and that like Carl feels like okay, then he does with Amanda is also kind of really sad. Like he puts more effort into trying to see Carl's perspective. I mean, kind of, but he's been doing this with Amanda for so long that it's like he notes he's over. And also, I think he still, I think he still believes like Amanda was the one starting all of this by going to everybody talking behind my back. So he's still pissed off at Amanda. I'm sure he blames this whole thing with Carl on Amanda. You know, I'm not saying whether that's right or not, but I think that's probably how he thinks. Kyle was happy because he was just happy that he says, I feel like you needed to get that out a little bit. Like, and I was like, you all know, but it's like, it's like, because Carl never really says what's on his mind. So Kyle's just like proud of him. Carl's like, like, dude, I'm not upset at all about like the soft bar investment thing. I'm not, even though I just screamed at you and said, thanks for not supporting me. Oh, but I've talked about it all season. I'm not really mad at that at all. Yeah. Not at all. I was fired up. I was fired up. He said, yeah, I was all over there. Yeah. You know, and, you know, I thought you threw a drink at me. He goes, what? Yeah. When you got out to the front, you had your lover boy and you threw it at the house, but I thought it wasn't me. So, you know, I thought it was like, I thought it was like you throwing a drink at brick and mortar. And I got really upset. Fuck, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that. No, no, I just want the best for you. I just want you to throw your lover boy like away from humans, you know? Yeah, I know. I don't know how it's fucking transpired from like, I don't know how it's like, well, you feel attacked. I get it because I was attacked by your lover boy. Sorry. I just had a flashback to that. I have to remember you were not being attacked by the lover boy. He meant to hit the shingles. Okay. But I'm sorry. And like, when I see you tell your wife, fuck you, like, that's not a blonde Carl. That's like really out of line. And you think at this point, Kyle, you think I was like, calm down enough that now he has perspective to be like, yeah, you're right. That was fucked up. But nope, he doesn't know. He's like, no, because he sat there and I'm talking and I feel like this is how it's been. Like I'm taking bullets and Amanda's eating it up. And that's why I said, fuck you, you know, because she's just like, dude, imagine feeling like your wife and your partner. I mean, I can't even remember the last time she stood up for me. But it makes me sad. And I'm sure she's actually stood up for you quite frequently. So then in Sierra's rooms here and Amanda are in bed and Amanda's like, dude, when he looked at me across the table and I didn't even say anything and he was just like, fuck you, that was like the worst part of it. And Sierra's like, yeah, me too. She's because I didn't even say fucking anything. I think what I need to do is just like put myself in someone else's shoes. Yeah. I think that's all. That's a good way to live life is to put yourself in someone else's shoes and see what they might think of a situation like any situation you might find yourself in. It's good before you embark on it to say, hmm, well, how would this person feel about that? I think that's a really good idea, Amanda. Unfortunately, you don't take that advice anytime soon. But when she is like, look, does fuck you from Kyle? That's never going to be okay. But Amanda, you were sitting there smirking and smiling and like making faces at everybody during that whole thing, during that dinner. Like Amanda just being like, oh my God, like so innocent. It's making me crazy. And she's like, yeah, I didn't say anything. So Mia comes in and she's like, yeah, well, how would you feel if that happened to one of your friends, boy friends? And she's like, I'd be fucking fighting with my friend. Like I don't even know you guys taking like, I wouldn't even be able to handle someone talking to my friend like that. And I mean, the truth is this, I was just like, you know, joking about how like, you know, when Amanda says she should like be in someone else's shoes, obviously, like it's dramatic irony foreshadowing to what's to happen. But in this case, she actually really should do that because it's like, she shouldn't be in this relationship at all. Like you, like it's just, there's just no world in which your husband says, fuck you to you that you should ever tolerate that or be okay with that. And especially if it's on camera, if someone, if your husband feels comfortable saying that to you on camera, like, yeah, it's time to go. It's time to death. It's over. It's done. Yeah, you need to think of what it's like to be in someone else's shoes and those shoes need to be on a person that's walking away from something. Okay. That's right. I bet that's what that. Hey everyone, this is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. 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