1435 - Kyle & his Wife are Into Nude Modeling, Nudist Resorts, Swinging and More

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All the links, everything I told you about including my Patreon is in the description. Okay, today I have on Kyle. Kyle, I was on Kyle's podcast. He has a podcast called Speak Seductively. He was a great host, I have to say. Of all the people I've been on their shows, I've been on a lot of podcasts hocking my book. He was actually a great host. I had a great conversation with him. And it turns out he has a whole lifestyle story himself. And so I was like, you got to come on my show too. So he's on my show. He has a great story. He's very specific and interesting because he does a lot like professionally in the lifestyle world. In that he's a photographer and he's like a professional photographer, like of naughty things. He talks a lot about that. Typically he was taking a lot of nude pictures and as well as he started taking pictures of his wife with other guys. And he was commissioned for stuff and he talks all about that journey and really taking nude pics got them into talking about opening up their relationship. And he also writes erotica. Okay. And so a lot of the stories you're going to hear on this podcast episode, he has full blown erotica books that go with the stories where you're going to get a lot more. But you're going to hear all the stories here and they're good stories. Okay. He's Kyle Cannon on Amazon. I'll put links to all the stuff in the description. But really what he comes on here to talk about is how they went from like doing nude modeling and nudist resorts and stuff like that to opening up their relationship to soft swapping to really quickly hard swapping and, you know, screwing around with their couple friends. Talks about that whole journey and all those first experiences. Eventually they did wind up trying out swinger clubs and they do have a bunch of non monogamous friends. They all hook up with each other. He does talk about all of his books and his as well as the photography that he does as well as his podcast. You're going to get all the information plus this whole story. It's super interesting. Kyle's over on my discord so you can see some of his pics and pics of his wife. He's going to send me hot pics of his wife over there as well as post them over there. So if you want to see her, join my Patreon. But if you want to hear his podcast, definitely go listen to it. It's called Speak Seductively. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Kyle. Hey, Kyle. Welcome to the Strictly Non-Mist Podcast. How are you today? Hey, thanks for having me. I'm doing great, actually. Listen, I was already on your show. You have a podcast called Speak Seductively and, you know, you were a great host. I've got to say, okay, between me and you and my audience, I've been on some people's podcasts. I have to thank you for coming on. It was a blast talking to you. I could have gone on for a lot longer. I know. I know. You were a good host. I've got to say, out of all the people I've done stuff with, so I've got to give you credit for that. So I'm assuming your podcast is good. You have a podcast that's called Speak Seductively. It's both you and your wife. I'm going to get your story of your lifestyle, you and your wife getting into the lifestyle and all that kind of good stuff. But why don't you just explain real quick about your podcast and then I'll post a link to it in the description. What are they going to get over there? Are you talking to lifestyle couples as well as like audiobook, erotic and stuff like that, right? Yeah. So if you turn in to Speak Seductively, you're going to hear me talking to other erotic authors, people who are in the lifestyle. Usually I like to have couples on who talk about how they got involved in the lifestyle. We'll have nudists on. We'll have single swingers on talking about being single in the lifestyle. So like a whole variety of stuff. Kind of like the same thing I do on my show. So people could listen to that and that's going to come up. Like listen, we'll get, like when we talk about your journey, like you guys starting a podcast and stuff will probably like come into play in your story, right? Because that comes out down the line. But I'm assuming you got into the lifestyle before you started your podcast. You guys have your own story. So why and that's what I want. You and Lily, how long you guys been married? You and Lily. So we've been married about 16 years now. So, okay, so been together forever. When did you, when and why, or what was going on like right before you guys decided to open things up? Okay, so we had both, we'd known each other for years. We'd both been in shitty relationships before then. Won't get into all of that. But we got together and we basically decided we weren't going to bullshit each other and play passive aggressive stuff. So we started talking about likes, dislikes and all of that. But I think we got in, we got into this subject because Lily said when she was in college, she had done some new modeling and that freaks out a lot of guys, you know, when she was dating them and her ex kind of treated her like shit when he found out. So she told me almost from the get go, well, I've always been into amateur photography and wanted to do more with that. So it didn't freak me out at all. It got us starting to talk about ethical non-monogamy and, you know, is that where we want to be as a couple? So we didn't, she started posing for me. I did a lot of nudes with her. We won some contests on places like Model Mayhem and other things like that. And basically it just kind of grew from there. So I started getting requests for Lily to do certain photo sets. We ended up meeting online a couple who own a swingers club and they started asking us for specific sets, things that they wanted to have pictures up and all of that. There's actually a bar somewhere in Western Arizona, a cowboy bar that has a huge picture of Lily smoking a cigar in the nude over there. Nice. But all of that stuff going on got us talking about where we want it to be as a couple. So we also were traveling a lot. Are you guys young though, by the way, that like ethical non-monogamy comes up in the conversation so easily? Because you know, you got to be like in your 30s. Are you guys like in your 30s? No. How old are you guys? She is 41 and I am in my late 50s. Yeah, but we're talking about you met so many years ago. Oh, God, yeah. When you met, you were young, but still it was back in the day. So you were very ahead of the time to be talking about that straight up while you're dating with each other. Two very open-minded people, I'm assuming. Oh, yeah, definitely. And the funny thing is we both came from very conservative backgrounds. Interesting. That's always the case. Oh my God. And that's one of the reasons why we keep it so private. We don't tell anybody because our families would literally shit a brick. Okay, but could I just say something? I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm going to interrupt you. People could fucking complain about it. I don't care. I need to make this comment and I make it a lot because people bring that up. Like the first thing some people will say like is what you just said or some people say it on the opposite. Would these people tell their parents what they do? It's like, I'm sorry. Your parents don't need to know if you're having vanilla sex, let alone, swinger sex. Nobody tells their parents about what they're doing in the bedroom, period. Right. So your parents don't need to know. Just like if you have a sister or brother and they're fucking missionary style, they're not going to tell your parents either. So why would you tell your parents? It doesn't even make sense. Like no family wants to know what their other family members are doing behind closed doors. Whether you're doing fun shit or not fun shit, no one wants to know. Well, and if they do, it's kind of creepy and weird anyway. Yeah. So why would you tell your parents that you have an open relationship? It's under their fucking business. Absolutely. But we were doing, she was doing a lot of nudes and we got to a point where I was hiding her face using shadow and stuff like that and sometimes masks. But we had concerns about her being recognized. Right. Even with just the nude modeling. Which has nothing to do with sex, but they were still conservative. They'd be horrified by that. And then we also started, we were going to nude resorts and nude beaches and things like that. So if we actually did run into people we knew in the same boat as us and everybody had like 30 second freak out and then all was good. Because what are you going to say? Hey, I ran into you at a nudist resort. How dare you go to a nudist resort? Yeah, but most nudist resorts have nothing to do, a lot of them have nothing to do with sex, right? Absolutely not. And that was one of, so we started off with that with nude beaches and nudist resorts that were following the AANR guidelines. Basically no public displays of stuff. Things could go on in private, but everybody was keeping it, they like to say family friendly. So we were really comfortable with that and just enjoyed that part of the lifestyle, the nudist lifestyle. And from there we met some people, we got some friends, we had a good friend, a couple, who were thinking about getting into swinging, but were too nervous to talk about it. We knew them for, we'd get together with them quite a bit and we finally started talking about what it would be like and have you considered it, those kinds of things. And it led us to have our first Swinger Encounters. We started off doing some soft swapping, basically doing it in the same room and then switching to foul season. But walk me through that, like walk through this, like now you could slow down your story. Okay, so you decide, okay, you decide, okay, because listen, the nudist stuff and everything is very different. Plenty of people are nudists, right, and walk around again, but they never get into swinging. So now you're stepping into a whole other world. When you're going into that world, do you guys have a conversation about any kind of boundaries or rules or anything like that? We did. So I don't know if we're weird for doing this or not. We know several other couples who've done the same thing. We talked about it for probably a year and a half before we ever did it. We knew that some of our rules were we don't take one for the team. So if we're going out and we meet a couple and she doesn't like the husband, I'm not going to play with the wife just so I could. 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Find new dropping hits every week. Find the new slots. I'm back in the casino tonight. 18 plus be gambler where at all. We ever did it. We knew that, you know, some of our rules were we don't take one for the team. So if we're going out, we meet a couple and she doesn't like the husband. I'm not going to play with the wife just just so I could and invites versa. If I, you know, if I didn't like the wife and she wanted to be with the husband, she wouldn't do that because like I said, one of our rules is we don't take one for the team and we're not that we're not death. We're not desperate to have sex with others. But we were definitely interested in it. So we had done a lot of research into rules and guidelines. You know, no means no. What are the boundaries? You know, at first when we first started, we decided we did not want to see the other person kissing someone else. It's okay to see them fucking somebody else. That's always a thing. That's always everyone's first thing on their list and the first thing to go out the window, by the way. Well, yeah, and it absolutely was. And I remember when we decided the first time we decided that we would actually do a full swap with them, they had had the same rule about kissing. Yeah. And we were laying there and then all of a sudden we all looked at each other and were like, okay, this is just stupid. You know, kissing is a part of this and it doesn't mean anything other than, you know, it just helps with the arousal part. So that got dropped like a hot potato. You know, kissing only means something when you actually like the person and that's why you think it means something. Because when you kiss your partner that you're in love with, it does mean something, but you don't realize that it means fucking nothing if you're making out with someone you don't love, but it's kind of hot, right? Right. Right. It gets out of arousal going. Yeah. And one of our other rules is we never play without the other one. So, and we talked about that a lot. We know couples who that's the only thing they do. They don't want their partner to see to be there with them while they're doing it. But for us, we decided there's, we don't want any kind of mystery. We're doing this. We're doing this because we enjoy it. We enjoy the exhibitionism of it. We enjoy the voyeurism of it. And my big, I'll say my big thing was I like seeing her enjoy herself. She'd say the same thing for, you know, she loves watching when I'm going to have an orgasm just before, you know, when I'm with another woman. Yeah. I'm the same way. I love seeing her have an orgasm with another guy. So anyway, we, we did that. We were very kind of slow, I guess. So we stayed with the same couple. You know, walk me through your first experience. You said you did soft swapping for a while. I mean, did you? Yeah. So, and was that intentional? You just didn't want to go all the way in the beginning? Yeah. I just, I think none of us were, we all wanted more, but none of us were comfortable with it. So our very first time, we were nighttime in their pool. We were all skinny, we were skinny dipping. And that's something that we had done quite a bit because it was very private. And, you know, if we didn't want to go to one of the new beaches, that that was quick and easy. So like I said, we've been doing that with them for quite a while. And what was soft swapping? Walk me through the first experience with them. You're in the pool. You're all fucking naked. What starts to go down and how far do you go? Well, so we, we, we played with our wives tits in the pool and talked and joked around about that. And they played with our dicks under the water. And, you know, and then it kind, it was kind of one of those things. So our friend's wife had him sit on the edge of the pool and she looked over at us and she said, you know, we've been talking about this for so long. I'm just not going to play around. He's hard as a rock and needs to get off. So, so she started blowing him on the edge of the pool. I looked at, I looked at Lily and she said, go ahead, get up there. So I sat like a foot or two away from him on the edge of the pool and Lily went down on me and we watched, you know, we all watched each other and, you know, had a really, really good time. It was, it was absolutely incredible. And then we talked about it afterwards, you know, how was that weird, were you okay with that? And it was one of those things where we were, we all said we were very comfortable with it. We enjoyed it. We'd like to do more. But when Lily and I left for the evening, you know, we talked to each other about, do you think it really meant that? You know, we loved it. Did they? So the next day we set up a pool party at our place for the following weekend and they came over and, you know, we talked again about it and we talked about doing more and we decided we'd do more but go slowly. So that that weekend we were both in our guest room, King's Ice Bed, fortunately. And I started with Lily and he started with his wife and then we decided we'd switch and it was just, it was no-brainer. Oh, I thought you said you guys were going to go slower. You went faster. We did. I mean, we thought we were going, by going slower, I meant we stayed with that. They're still really good friends of ours, but we didn't do anything with anybody else for probably close to a year after that. So the second time though, you're doing full swap. Oh yeah, second time we went full swap. Okay. And how was that? Crazy. Why? I mean, in a good way. Yeah, in a great way. I mean, we had a lot of fun. It was also a little more nerve-wracking afterwards. We talked as a group and decided, you know, it was great. It was just like the previous weekend conversation. It was really good. We enjoyed it. Nobody feels bad when they left. Lily and I had basically the same conversation we had before that, oh my god, I can't believe, you know, we did that. How do you feel about it? And we spent a lot of time talking over the next few days over how it really felt to watch the other person have sex with someone else. And what were they, like, how did you both feel about it? Obviously good, because you said you both had a compersion, right? Yeah, I mean, we decided we liked it. We really enjoyed it. Plus we decided, I mean, we knew we liked that couple. We still liked them. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a one-time, you know, one-night thing for us. And there was a lot of comfort built into it from that perspective. So we'd get together almost every weekend. And if we didn't full swap, it would be, you know, something. So I mean, we bounced things around. We kept up a variety of things. With just them, the same couple that you're just playing with them? Yeah, with just them. Then a little less than a year later, we all knew another couple who was in our nudist group that we thought would be interested in swapping. So Lily and our friend's wife decided to take her, the other woman out to dinner and talk about it. Turns out they were definitely into it. We set up another get-together at our friend's house and they came, you know, we were all used to being naked around each other anyway because they were part of our nudist group. And then we just, I mean, we just started playing around. I think if I remember right, this was years ago. We each played with our own spouse in the pool, but we're really obvious about it. We got out a couple of times and played around. The other couple started playing too. If I remember, the wife was very daring, went over to our friend while he was, he was getting blown by his wife and she joined in. So, you know, it turned into trying a lot of different things. And that couple ended up coming back. I mean, we became a small group. We did get to a point where we would get together and most of the time it was just straight out swapping. So, you know, Lily would go with one of the other husbands, one of the wives would go with me and, you know, it kind of, and the other wife, you know, would go with the other husband and we kind of, you know, bounced around like that. Lily and one of the other wives liked, like three ways. So, they... Three ways with who? Two girls and a guy? What kind of three way? Two guys and a girl. Okay. For Lily, the other, the other wife was by and I mean, she, she would go both ways, but... Your girl doesn't. Lily doesn't. Yeah, yeah. Lily, Lily has been with women, but she prefers men. Okay. So, yeah, so, I mean, we'd have nights where things like that would go on where, you know, we'd watch Lily basically getting spit roasted and, you know, whoever was one of the other wives and I would play around and we just, just, I mean, it's kind of hard to explain because it went very organically, but I would say in that group with the three couples, us included, that was about as much as we did as a group. Well, what more can you do? You did it all. It sounds like, I mean, you know, right? I mean, you all, like, you all have fucked each other. Everyone's sort of been with each other's wives. No, like, there's nothing. Yeah. It doesn't sound like anything was off the table, except maybe your girl didn't go down on one of the other girls. And the reclaiming sex for you, was that a part of it for the both of you? Yes. Yeah, I should have mentioned that. That was absolutely one of our top rules, is that we always end an evening with the other one. Yeah. And we always end it, you know, having sex. And that's, I have to say, that's probably one of the best parts about it because for some reason, we, no matter who we're having sex with before that, when we get back together and have sex with each other, it's usually the hottest thing you should ever experience. Yeah, that's what I hear. That's why they call it. I mean, people have a problem sometimes with the word reclaiming. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that typically, the sex after experiences like that is really killer for the couple. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was amazing. The first time when we did, when we were, when the wives were blowing the husbands at the very beginning, the very first thing we did, when Lily and I got back to our place, I mean, we just sucked like crazy. And it was, you know, it was all because of the soft swap. And then when we do full swap, it was, you know, even more off the charts. Right. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely earthquake territory. So we did that for, that was us for about a year and a year, little over a year. And we had some friends who own, people we met who owned a swingers club. And I was still doing a lot of photography with Lily. The other two couples both bought wall prints of Lily to have in their house. I mean, very artistic black and white and sepia nudes where, you know, you couldn't see her face, but, you know, they were kind of in the end thing back then anyway. So we were doing a lot of that. The swinger owners that we had met wanted more from her, wanted more from us. And then asked if she would do a couple shoot for them. So we talked about that. We knew by then a bunch of models had one male model who was really, who was a good friend of ours, really decent guy. And I called him up and said, look, we've got this commission to do a nude couple shoot. Are you interested? And he was like, yeah, sure. I'd be really interested in that. And I said, okay, well, your partner would be Lily. And he knew Lily well because she would help out a lot at some of the photo shoots. And he's like, your wife, Lily. I'm going to be fucking your wife while you're taking pictures. Yeah. And I said, I said, yeah, you I mean, you've seen her nude pictures in the portfolio we have. And, you know, you know, she does that. And I'm sure you probably have heard us talking a little bit about. No way he didn't get a little woody when you said that to him. No, no, absolutely. But right, it was you think he did, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he must have been like, oh my God. Yeah. He so we ended up doing several shoots within the first shoot we we ended up calling an awkward shoot. We decided to try to do a like a reenactment of an old 80s penthouse shoot. So they both started off clothed. It was like the date thing and they undress each other and then do that the cat, you know, he plays with her tits and she plays with those cock and and and you know that that was basically the shoot. I mean, it was it was really cute. It was fun. But I could tell he was nervous as hell. Were you turned on by this? When you went too much in work mode to really get into it. Yeah, so I get asked that a lot. I was really in work mode. That's what I would think. Yeah. Because I had to direct them. You're a real photographer. Like you probably it's like it's hard for you to probably like take your mind off of all the technical things and just get into it. There was absolutely there was so much that you know and we've laughed about it. We laugh about it quite a bit that you know I'll have a nude model come in and I'm I'm paying more attention to the lighting and the shadow and what are the settings on the camera. People are paying for these things. I mean you're being commissioned. 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I'll have a nude model come in and I'm paying more attention to the lighting and the shadow and the settings on the camera. People are paying for these things. You're being commissioned. If you're just getting horny and not paying attention, that would make you very unprofessional. You're doing the right thing. I couldn't do it. Afterwards, looking at the pictures after, I'd get crazy aroused. Lily loved it. That shoot ended. He and Lily were laying in bed, nude together because that's where we ended the shoot. We started talking about doing another. I said, they really want more implied. Oral and having sex, they want more of that kind of thing. Would you be willing to do a shoot like that? He said he would. He was really nervous. Out of the blue came up with the idea that one of our rules is that we never play around alone. For this, why don't I just leave you guys here as you are right now and you play. Lily and I had talked about that prior to the shoot. We might do that just to build up comfort between the two of them. They did. She ended up blowing him. I didn't take any pictures of that because I had left the room until they were done. Then we talked again after that. He was like, okay, that was awesome. I definitely want to come back and do the shoot with you guys. We set up a date and then the very next day he calls me and said, look, I really want to do the shoot, but I'm totally freaked out about the fact that you're going to be photographing me fucking your wife. At least he was honest with himself and you. Yeah. That's one of the reasons why we chose him to be the male model because he wasn't a cocky, arrogant douche. We wanted real expression. We talked for a little bit and he goes, well, I also have to tell you there's never any bad head, but your wife was awesome and I could get addicted to that fast. We talked about that and I told him there's no problem with that. It will actually look great for the photo shoot. Why don't we just say, we'll have a safe word. I think for that it was pepper. If I'm directing you to do anything that you're not comfortable with, either one of them could say that and we'd back off and decide where we needed to go from there. Our big rule with the next shoot was that, and we always practice safe sex regardless when we were swinging or anything like that. The next shoot I set up and I told them both, we're just going to start off with you guys naked. We're not going to screw around with the clothes, with the outfits and all of that kind of stuff. I set them up on a couch and I had him laying back and her laying between his legs. I'm trying to describe the picture right now. She was basically laying back on his chest. He was playing with her tits to start. I would tell her, spread your legs a little bit. Brandon, go ahead and put your hand on her. We started joking about how bizarre it is to have me say that to them. The laughing kind of broke through any nerves that were going on. I will say during the shoot, they did that. They did a couple of set poses for me like that. Then I asked her to kiss down his chest and start giving him head. She did that. I remember he went, oh my God, because she does this thing swirling her tongue, which is definitely an oh my God moment. I asked him, was she using her tongue then? He said, yeah. They started joking about who could get the other hotter first and then who could get the other one to get off first. That was in part of the photo shoot as we did that. We ended up doing the shoot for about three hours, mainly because we were all having a lot of fun. I was getting some amazing pictures. He came at least twice during those times. The first time was when he was fucking her. He had a condom on and all of that. He came and it was pretty obvious. He looks at us and he's like, oh my God, did I ruin the shoot? I'm so fucking sorry. No, that was great. The look on your face was amazing when you were fucking her. Who's commissioning these pictures, by the way? This was the owners of a Swinger Club in California. Do they explain the art to people because they might just think this is a woman and her guy in these pictures? Do they know that this is a good girl with a bull and her husband taking the shots? That really adds to the hotness of these photos. I wonder if they put a little plaque next to the picture and explain what the fuck is going on in these pictures. Don't you think that adds to it? I'm going to put in a plug for a book. Actually, Lily and I wrote it. It's called The Photo Shoot. It's basically exactly what happened during that photo shoot. We had through some Swinger sites and then them buying other art from us. We had started email exchanges with them, talking to them on the phone a couple of times. They loved the idea of us being relatively new swingers and photographing Lily with the new guy for the first time for her. They did. They explained that at the club. They actually asked Lily to do some audio explaining the shoot. They commissioned for us to do another two shoots, which was awesome. We sent them a couple of videos of her reading. She wrote them a letter which we then made into the book, The Photo Shoot. They asked her to read that. They apparently had that audio playing somewhere in the club. We've actually never been there with a montage of the pictures going up on a picture shoot. That's really smart because without all that, it's just a hot, sexy pic of a woman and a man. All that backstory is really what you're fucking paying for if you ask me. I think that all of that you guys putting in the audio, them commissioning it, her reading it, you writing a book about it. That's the goal. That is what's happening. You didn't fake it. That's really what it's about. That's really what's going to turn people on. It's so much more than just a hot photo of naked people. Question, do you guys ever wind up at Swinger Clubs yourself eventually? Yeah, we did. It was okay. We pretty quickly decided it wasn't our thing. Actually, the first time we went to a Swinger Club was that the sex was fun and great. We ended up breaking a couple of our rules and we're pretty upset at ourselves for doing that. That's an interesting story. Explain what happened. I knew you were going to ask that. I like Swinger Gone Wrong stories because this is real life and I think it's important. I love that to hear from couples that go to Swinger Club and like this isn't for us. A lot of people say it's great but there are going to be people that's not for them. Give me the details. I think it's super interesting. We were in Las Vegas and we went to, I think it's considered one of the oldest Swingers Club in Vegas. Oh no. If it's the green doors, I just had someone talk about how bad that place is. I think it was a Red Rooster. Anyway, it was nice. Interesting setup. It was in a house, a huge mansion basically. They had different rooms set up. When we showed up at the door and paid our cover charge to get in, the lady who took that said, are you guys new? We said we've been swinging but we've never been to a club before. She had one of the, I'm going to say bouncers or guides or whatever, asked his name is Walter, asked him to show us around the club. He did. We had looked up what to wear to a Swinger's Club stuff. I know it sounds ridiculous now. No, it doesn't. I've done full-fledged episodes where I have gotten all the information someone would need before they go to a Swinger's Club. That was one of my questions because I'd want to fucking know everything before I went. I don't think it's stupid. I think it's smart. Well, we were so nervous anyway. Of course. Lily was wearing a black corset and she's very busty. She looked amazing. She was wearing a black corset with dark, I'm going to say black shorts and heels. I was dressed business casual. We both looked good going in but her kits got a lot. Walking through the hotel lobby to get out and get our cab to go to the club. She got hit on about seven or eight times. I had one guy ask me how much she was that he'd want to call her for the next night. She was walking out in that outfit without covered up like normal? Yeah. Well, of course that happened. You're dressed up for a Swinger's Club walking through a public regular hotel? Yeah, in Vegas. It doesn't matter. Of course you're going to look like she looked like a... Normally people would wear something over and then get dressed up for the Swinger's Club when they get out of their car in front of the Swinger's Club. She was convinced. I looked like I'm going clubbing. I guess you're right. Everybody dresses kind of naked nowadays anyway. Yeah. Anyway, he showed us around. They had a room with sex toy kind of thing. They had several semi-private rooms. He explained that you could go in there as a couple or with a couple of other people. If you shut the door, nobody comes and bothers you. But if you leave the door open, then it's like an invitation for others to come and watch or even ask if they can join in. Then there was an orgy room and trying to remember all the... A movie room, a small dance floor and bar. So we had decided going there that the most we would do is Lily would give me head while we were there and we'd just call that a night and be safe with that and decide if we wanted to go back another time later. Why that room? I mean, you guys are swapping around. You're doing all this stuff. Why when you're at the Swinger Club, there's a rule that we're not going to fuck other people even together? Do you know? Yeah, it's a good... I mean, for us, it was a safety thing. Okay, that makes sense. We didn't know what the club was going to be like. We knew what we had read about. We had only been with these other two couples during all our Swinger time. Okay, that makes sense now. We just wanted to play it careful. It was more check out the scene and see what it's like. Okay, I get it. The bouncer explained to us the whole no means no. If you say no and somebody doesn't stop, then give a high sign and we'll come over there and that person will be escorted out. And they were really... I mean, we never had a problem like that while we were there. So we met a few other couples and started dancing and the other couples, you know, everybody started getting naked and we were fine with that. There were a couple... One of the other rules at the club is you have to ask to touch before you do anything. You have to ask. So one of the husbands was dancing with Lily and asked if he could play with her tits. And she looked over at me. I mean, I heard it. I nodded and shrugged and so he started playing with her tits. And then his wife asked about playing with me. And then I think there were about three or four couples that we were ending up dancing with. And so most of the guys ended up playing with their tits during that. Then, and, you know, and I played with a few of the wives and it was... We were already doing more than we thought we were going to do, but I mean, we're just... Playing with the tits was more... More than we thought we were going to do going in. Right. Because you were not going to let any... You guys weren't going to engage with other people in any way, shape, or form. So that's what crossed the line. That's where it started. So... How far did it go? Well, Lily, a couple of the guys were rubbing on her pretty hard. And Lily had come over and said, hey, let's go to the movie room. You know, I'll give you head while we're in there. And then we'll call it a night. I could tell when she said that that she was interested in sticking around and doing more. But we were both trying to stick as close as we could to the rules that we had set. So we went into the movie room. Two of the other couples followed us in there and they played around with themselves and watched as Lily gave me head. And so I'm going to say I was so turned on by all of this that I blew all over her face and her chest. And I mean, she was a mess. So one of the other guys who had been there offered to take her to back to the bathrooms where she could hit the shower real quick and clean up. And we were calling him propeller because on the dance floor he liked to swing his cock around like a propeller blade. So he ended up going back with taking her back to where the bathrooms were, which is down the hall where some of the semi private rooms were. One of the wives came over and started making out with me and licking me. And I was definitely enjoying that and not really thinking about anything. Lily ended up, so she showered. The guy started hitting on her big time. But they walked back to the movie room and she sees me playing with one of the wives and thought, well, okay, he's doing that. So I guess it's okay for me to do a little more play. So she let him take her into one of this semi private rooms and they started, they had sex. I mean, she blew him. Oh my goodness. Interesting. So they had left the door to the room open, which was an invitation for people to come and watch. Oh my goodness. So he's fucking. And at this point you're still just getting blown by that girl in the other room. You didn't go any further with her? Oh no, we ended up fucking. So Lily said, you know, a couple of guys had come to the door and asked if they could watch. And she's like, I don't, you know, sure. And Propeller said, sure. So they were watching and then one of the guys came asked if he could come over and play with their tits. And so, you know, she agreed to that and he did. So she's getting fucked by the one guy, the other's playing with her tits. Then the third guy apparently, you know, asked if he could come in and do, you know, play with her other tit and he did. In the meantime, so I'd finished up with the woman I was with after a while. You had sex? I had sex. You don't even know that your wife has gotten back from the bathroom and saw you or anything at this point, correct? No, I don't. Right. So I was like, where's, you know, I haven't seen Lily. I wondered where she was at. I was being a typical guy. So I got up and I started looking for her and I saw a couple of guys standing by one of the doors to the private rooms. And, you know, I can hear some wild crazy sex going on. And I walked over and I looked over a couple of shoulders and I see her in there basically doggy style with like three or four other guys around her. You know, her sucking, you know, going back and forth. And I was like, what the fuck? Well, of course I walk. I mean, it was great to watch. I was there for a while when they all finished. She saw me standing there and I came over and, you know, said, oh, I need to go to the bathroom and clean up again. So we didn't really talk about anything that had happened. I could tell she was the reality of the fact that she was just in a gang bang basically. Totally. And we had talked about not doing much at all so we didn't get overwhelmed. And solo play is not on the table. And solo play was not on the table. So we, I went with her to the bathroom. She cleaned up. We had our clothes in a locker. We left. Really didn't talk until we got back to the hotel room. And then it was like, it was, I won't say we are, we seldom argue, but we were both upset and angry. And I think the anger was more directed at internally. I mean, we were both like, you know, what the fuck were you doing? And Lily said, you know, I came out, I was thinking we were going to leave. And I, here I see, you know, so and so giving you head. And, you know, I decided that if you're going to do it, then it's okay for me. And then I said, well, sure, that I would have been okay with that. But then I come back there and I find you with, you know, half a dozen guys. I mean, you're both valid, but you're both also like, no one has a leg to stand. Like no one's more right or wrong in this scenario. Really, unfortunately, that's really what it comes down to. But you're both human and you're both going to be upset about it. I totally got it. Yeah. So we, I mean, we, we got to that point. I mean, it didn't take us long before we were like, okay, we both, we both fucked up. Totally. We enjoyed ourselves, but, you know, we, we, we lost control and we never considered ourselves people who just lose control. So. Isn't that humbling though to know that you, you know, that anyone could wind up doing anything. It's like, that's why you can't be judgmental because look, you know, it could be happened to you too. Well, and I would say there were, you know, we had no, no regrets afterwards, but we did go to swinger clubs a couple of times after that, partly to make sure that we could control ourselves. But we also realized that it wasn't our thing. I mean, we, it was, it was fun, but we preferred getting to know someone, you know, a couple that we were going to have sex with. And that makes sense. And know that we, we liked them. You know, Lily said, you know, she, before we got together, she, she's like, I had never been a one night stand or a booty call person. That's just not my thing. I've got to know the person and I agreed with her. And for us, it, doing it that way, it was so much more fun. So we, we three times at a swingers club and that was basically it for us. But I have used a lot of our life to write my books. So basically what I was just telling you kind of covered in a couple of books called the photographer story because they kind of all tied in together. Yeah. Why don't you give a shout out to all that stuff. Yeah. Okay. So I've got 35 books on Amazon right now. Wow. And what's your pen name? Like, what's the name of like, what's your name for also? Cause they could just put your name in and see all the ear bucks. Right. Yes. Kyle Cannon. Okay. C O C A N O N. I was really original because my favorite camera is a Canon. Yeah, there you go. So I wrote a whole series about Nudist resorts. Some of my stories are closer to true than others. I wrote a series that was strangely popular called the succubus clean. Absolutely nothing other than location is real in that because I've never met a succubus. But it was real. It's really popular. The last three books I wrote are reclaiming Kelly is the series name. And it goes into a lot of what we were talking about a couple swinging and how they both enjoyed the reclaiming afterwards and the different scenarios they'd get into. A lot of them were things that Lily and I have done. So it helps to be able to write from personal experience. Yeah, I love that. I mean, you have a lot of books. I just like put your name in on Amazon. I mean, you have a ton of stuff for people who like to read erotica. I mean, you have so much stuff, especially in the stuff that like people like like hot wife, right? Succubus reclaiming. Yeah. Well, the resort is one that's in there that is 95% true. And people love hearing that. We were at one of our favorite nudist resorts and we were in an RV and the guy who pulled in next to us was single and had a dick the size of an elephant trunk. Wow. One of those. And yeah, but he was the nicest man ever. We actually brought him on the, we had him on the podcast about a year after we met him there. And we were doing video at the time trying to do video broadcasts for the podcast. And he convinced Lily to do a boob drop. So obviously Lily has great boobs. Oh, we've heard about them many times on this podcast. People are going to be like, I want to see fucking Lily's boobs. Hopefully you'll send them, but you'll put them on my discord because I know you're on there. Yeah. Well, I will. I have put a few on discord. Already. Okay. Good. So, yeah, if anybody wants to see that, where's, where's the best channel? Well, well, first of all, I'm going to put all your links in the description, right? And all the, so people can find all your stuff, whether they want to buy your books as well as listen to your, your podcast, right? Yeah. But you could also send me pics for my Patreon for Patreon. I always say are rated and you probably have plenty of that because of all the pics you take, you know, if we're Patreon, no nips or anything showing, but it can be pretty lingerie shots and stuff, you know, just nothing overly, overly sexual, more R rated than X rated. And then for discord, anything goes. And since you're on there, you could post yourself because people really love to talk to the, the guests directly. Yeah. Sometimes I post them if the guest doesn't want to, but you're already in there. So you might as well do it yourself. And you could post anything there. You could post more explicit stuff. If you want to put like one of the pictures of the story that you talked about, you know, that goes with the story of the photographer, right? Because like that, that shoot is the book, the photographer, right? That shoot is the book, the photo shoot. The photo shoot. Sorry. Right. I said photographer photo shoot. Yeah. So that's good to know. And you could promote anything. Make sure on discord, you put links to your Amazon page as well as to your podcasts and stuff. So that would people want direct links to there. You can't do that in the comments, but you could put it in your bio and you should, you know what I mean? And I think people hear this episode and they hear these stories, they're definitely going to want to check out all your books, but specifically the ones, give the titles again of the ones that are mostly true and the ones that go along with the stories you just told again. Why don't you give a shout out to those as well again real quick. Okay. The, the nudist resort ones are all in the series, Aaron's erotic adventures. And they are really close to everything that Lily and I had done over, over the years. Then there's a series called the photographer story, which those were the very first books that I wrote erotic books that I wrote. And they're really close to what I just went through with you explaining how we got into the lifestyle. Yeah, I love it. Then the, the, the resort I've already mentioned, that's, that's a very true story and a lot of fun. There's Sharon's punishment is extremely popular. I, you know, we don't get into BDSM, but that was kind of a, we've done some stuff like that. So that story is pretty close to true and a lot of people enjoy it. And then the reclaiming Kelly books. Yeah. I wrote it. Go and check it out. Let me ask you this. Okay. Cause I think we were, we'll push that all that stuff, but real quick, like where are you guys at now? You don't do the swingers clubs. Is it still hooking up with those couples that you hook up with? Do you have new couples in your life? Just give me the, the, like a quick rundown and yeah, a couple of minutes, nothing long. Cause I'm going to edit some of the beginning out. We, yeah, we, we still hook up with, with our original friends. Yeah. And I'd say there's three other semi-regular couples. We've backed away a lot from that because of work and so many other things that we have going on. And at this point in our lives right now, I mean, we, we still will, especially with our good friends, but we've had the conversation that we know each other so well that their times Lily is fucking another guy and she's enjoying it, but he's not going to make her come. I'm the, I'm, I'm going to make her come. So you know, we've talked about the sex with each other is so much better than what we get from other people. I mean, you know, if you're just talking that physical and emotional part of it, but I mean, there are those times where you just want to get wild and crazy and you still do that. I mean, listen, I still do that. Yeah. So you're open and you're, you engage, you're still writing your books. You're still taking a lot of your pictures. And are you able for, are you also like available to be hired to take pics of couples and stuff? Yes. I backed away. So I backed away from that a lot because we were running into a lot of, a lot of competition from guys who just had a, who just went out and bought a digital camera and wanted to take naked pictures of people. And we, there's no competition on my, on my show. If you're, if people that are listening couples or even anyone on discord might like, if they're listening and they want a professional photographer to take hot pics of them or their hot waste situation, they know that as a photographer you're, you've done stuff like that before. They can hire you to do that. Correct? Yes. Yeah. And if you like what, what I've done, then reach out and we'll try to figure something out. Okay. How do they reach out to you? I would say the easy Kyle Cannon fiction at gmail.com. Okay. Love it. It's my email address. Okay. Cool. So listen up if anyone wants pictures. I do have a lot of couples, you know, and I think what's great about you as a photographer in these kinds of scenarios is very specific, but you've done it so much and you special it. It's like kind of like you specialize in it. You know what I mean? You're a real photographer. It's very different than the guy with the digital camera. Plus you're very professional and these are really, you know, professional pictures that, you know, maybe you'll get some clients for that too. And I do have to say I had been doing wedding photography for a while, but I totally gave up on that because I hated it. We're not interested in that. My audience is going to hire you for you taking pictures of their wives, fucking other guys. That's the world we live in here. Yeah. New wedding. Yeah. New wedding I'd be down for. Okay. Cool. Thanks for having me on your show. Thanks for now coming on my show and giving me all your stories. I will put links to your stuff in the description. Do me a favor and send me your pics and everything sooner than later. Okay. So I have everything. Okay, Kyle. And I'll tag you on everything when I do, when I promote your episodes on Instagram and X, okay? All right. Sounds good. I really appreciate it. And thanks for having me on and for coming on my podcast. It was great. I'd love talking to you and hopefully we can do it again soon. Yeah, sure. This was so much fun. Thanks, Kyle. Have a good day. All right. Thanks. Bye. You too. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. There's a hot wife story. There's a cook queen story. There's a cook story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book, think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them, they're really short chapters, easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback, send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. It's the strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lies of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. There's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters. Easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format and finally the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. If you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. They share content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.