The Boys Go to Portugal | Trash Taste #279

Welcome to another episode of trash taste. I'm your host Connor. I'm today joined by the boys during on those. Those for you, wasn't it? Yeah, I could tell that was like a wake up Connor. Let's go. It's been a while since we've been in the studio. It's been a week. Sorry. I mean, the seven days is a long time for some people. Oh my God. Seven days. It's only been one week. How are you guys? Well, we haven't recorded an episode in like a month. Yeah. Fuck. We're cooking. I know what you've been doing for the past month. Well, everything. I've been doing everything. You've been doing everything. Well, you guys went to Portugal, right? We did go to Portugal. We went there for a wedding. Right. We went there for long though. Well, I wasn't. I was there for like four days. Yeah. I mean, I was there for like six days. Oh, okay. But did you get to explore at all? I went around the city of Porto a little bit. Yeah. It's your first time in Portugal? First time in Portugal. First time in Porto. Yeah, actually it is. Yeah. Spain, which is the bigger brother landmass wise. Yeah. But yeah, I've never been to Portugal. I was on. It's good. I mean, you know, Europe. A lot of the, you know, a lot of the, there's so much similarities between the, like often I feel like the Mediterranean type, like European places that, if you've, you know, if you've gone to like Spain, it's very similar, but just a bit different really. Right. That is a very, I will say that was probably the most European thing you've ever said. Cause to non-Europeans, like Europe is just like, oh my God. Yeah. So much wonder and mystery. It was really nice. All of it's really nice. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's not like, you don't suddenly go over the border and it's like, it's so different. Right. Speaking Portuguese. Yeah. That's like the biggest difference. Yeah. I mean, absolutely beautiful city. And absolutely beautiful country. Oh my God. Yeah. It was actually one of like the most beautiful cities I've, like, I've seen. That's very picturesque. It was like everywhere you'd walk around, it was almost like, you know, it's Instagram heaven basically. Right. And it's like very hilly as well. So you'd be walking around these random points and I swear it was like, you know, it felt like something like Assassin's Creed almost. Where you look at the view top and you're like, I want to jump on all of these rooftops right now. It did, it did. It is designed like an Assassin's Creed map. We had a friend's wedding that was in Porto. So that's where we ended up going there. Right. Yeah. It was really nice. Did you try the local cuisine at all? Yeah. What was the food like? So I guess Porto or I guess Portugal in general is famous for a couple of things. I think sardines. I didn't get to try. Yeah. I really wanted to. Did you try the Porto special? I think it's like Frankocina. Frankocina. Yeah. I can't look it up. Oh, oh, oh, what's it called? Yeah, they have this weird ass thing. Yeah. Can you search up French? Honestly. The way this thing looks, bro, it looks like British food. Okay. And I mean that in an active sense. Fran. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Frenchocina. So it's like, look at this. You can't tell it doesn't look like British food. Oh, that's British food. It's fire though. It's great. I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this. So I think the one that I had was closer to on the left. Yeah, that one. So what it is is it is just a sandwich packed with every single kind of meat you can think of. And there's egg on top. Yeah, like salami, pork and beef. Yeah. And then they melt cheese on top of it. Right. And then they pour tomato gravy on top of it. And I'm like, That sounds fucking fine. Okay. It is the first time. And then the second time you're like, this is so many calories. And holy fucking shit. I am going to get a heart attack eating this. Also, cause obviously it's so many like cured meats and stuff. It's quite salty. Oh yeah. And I'm like, I like salt. Even for me, I was like, I was like getting heart palpitation. So there was like steak, there was like sausages. There was like a lot of cured meats. And then you throw like salami and stuff. And then you throw on the cheese on top. And then you throw on the tomato gravy on top, which wasn't just sweet. It was like salty as well. Right. And God damn. I'm getting heart palpitation. Just looking in that image. Great hangover food. I will say 100% great hangover food. But what surprised me is that, how would you get through one of those? Cause yeah, cause how big is it? Like, So I did a mistake and I ordered like some sides and I ordered this. Yeah. Cause I thought, I don't know. I just assumed everything was going to be small. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, in Europe sometimes things are like reasonably portioned where you can get like a starter and a main. Yeah. And so like I was with someone else and we were sharing and then I ordered this and this, like something like this big came out. Yeah. There was another main and like two sides. And I was kind of hoping that like, it was a situation where I was going to eat half. They were going to eat half. They did not eat half. They had like one bite. And I was like, you're fucking me. You're fucking me right now. I need you to fucking help me. I'm dying of salt. I need you to help me. Yeah. I remember when me and Sydney went to the restaurant and we were like, okay, it's probably like a, we had heard it to try. So we were like, oh, we'll just order like one each. Maybe it'll be like a sandwich. And I could eat like, I couldn't even, when the play appeared, we were like, oh no, we should have shared this. Yeah. Cause this image says that this is for two people. It says yield two. I think we should have like learned because when we were ordering the menu, when we ordered this, they were like, oh, you want one? You want one each? And that should have been your song. What's crazy is that like the steak in the middle is like, at least the one I had was like a full on normal steak. Like filet. Right. And it was like perfectly cooked. It was just thrown in this. And you're like, just feels wrong. They're in such a beautiful cut of meat into this. But it tasted so good. Was it expensive? Like what's like, is it expensive? No, it's like the same price as like Italy. So like, you know, like coffee is normally like two euros. Yeah. Or like one euro 50, depends on your... Portugal is actually very cheap. Okay. Okay. Compared to, you know, some other places in Europe. Yeah. Like food is generally really affordable. Yeah. And really high quality. Depends where you go though. Yeah. There was this moment where, you know, we didn't know what the price range was like, right? So normally, first bar we go to, and we go into this like, you know, a bar in like the center of like Porto. And we just want a glass of wine. So Sydney wants a glass of wine. So she orders, we see nine euros and we're like, oh, okay, we're just, it's, it's center of the city. You know, nine euros for a glass of wine. Pretty expensive. But, you know, whatever. Yeah. We're on holiday. Whatever. So to bring out a bottle, we were going to have one drink. I was going to say nine euros for a glass. Yeah. Fancy ass glass. I'm used to like London prices. So I hear, I see a nine euros. So I'm like, that's last London, you know, that's central London. Yeah. So we were going to go in for a quick drink. And Sydney is stuck there with a bottle of wine to herself. Damn bruh. That's 10 30. Yeah. Literally. We had a bottle of wine. We had just gone on, gone off the plane. We're waiting for a friend. So we're like, we're going to get a cheeky glass of wine, ends up with a bottle to herself. Yeah. Cheeky bottle to herself. Welcome to Europe. I guess. Was the wine good at least? Yeah. I enjoyed the wine. They have the famous wine is obviously the port. Yeah. The port wine. That's like a super sweet wine. Yeah. I'm not too much of a fan of port wine just because I'm not a fan of sweet wine myself personally. I didn't mind it for like dessert. After a meal, but it's not like a sippy kind of wine. Yeah. It's quite, you feel kind of sick after a while. All right. I guess that makes sense why there's so much salty food here. I guess that's what it's useful right to like maybe balance it out. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I with like sweet wines, I can handle one glass at most. But normally I don't know as the more I grow older, the more I hate sweet stuff. No, I think that's just, I think that's just taste buds, I guess changing. True. I've realized my taste buds have changed recently as well because I had this moment. I've hated oysters my entire life. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't stand them. Even like cooked oysters? Even more cooked oysters. Really? I don't know. Because I get if you don't like all oysters. I share with raw, but cooked is great. Yeah. I know a lot of people who can't eat like raw oysters, but they can do cooked oysters. I don't know. Just, what kind of code? Are we talking like battered? Like Kilpatrick or like maybe fried or anything basically. Literally anywhere. There's a number of ways you can cook oyster. I don't know. For in my mind, cooking oysters. You can steam oysters or steamed oysters. In my mind, cooking oysters, the all appeal of oysters I thought were just to eat raw. I don't know. I mean, I think just fresh really. Yeah. I think raw is just one component of it. I personally like raw over cooked. Because whenever I see cooked oysters, my mental was like, oh, that's probably not even fresh oysters because they had to cook it. It's probably a mental thing. Yeah, probably. But to me, I've heard, I think I've heard so many horror stories with just people being like, oh yeah, I got food poisoning. It's the oysters. It's always the oysters. I think the general rule of thumb is often don't order oysters at a place that doesn't really specialize in seafood. Like you wouldn't go to the like local diner and get some fun. You know what I mean? Like you normally want to go to the place that looks like they specialize in it. Because otherwise you might be getting some pretty gnarly oysters. Yeah. Well, I don't know what happened. We were in a bar and they were like serving oysters and I saw the picture and it's so weird just being like, this is look disgusting my entire life, but this for the first time in my life, I don't know. Kind of, I kind of feel like I'm one of them. Yeah, I don't know why. I really hope I get that with oysters. I really want to like them so bad. Dude, I can pack away oysters like there's no tomorrow. See people put like 12 away. Yeah, I know right? That's fucking insane. Yeah, dude. I think the most I've done like raw, I've probably done like 15 to 20. Fucking hell. That's a lot of raw oysters to eat. And you know what? Every single one, the risk of me getting food poisoning just kept increasing. I was somehow okay. I've never gotten food poisoning off oysters. Yeah. And I don't know this one time I just like, I know the taste of oysters. And I know that I hated the taste of oysters. But this one time I was looking this picture. I'm like, why do I, why does this suddenly look delicious? Why is my brain telling me that? And I'm like, hey, Sydney, you want to share some oysters? I want to do a tester. I want to test things. And so we get like just like a plate of three oysters to share. And I have the bite. And it's so weird just actually feeling your brain chemistry change to be like, hmm. So is that good? This tastes delicious. And I don't know why. I'm like everything about the aftertaste of oysters that I hated before, my brain is suddenly telling me, yeah, I fuck with this now. I mean, it probably helped that you had it in like a seaside town as well. I mean, it was most likely fresh. Your brain is constantly changing. Do you think like it's no surprise that, you know, if you're open to trying to. Yeah. Cause the thing I hate about oysters before was that it tasted like fucking, it literally tasted like the sea. Yeah. You know, for better or worse. It's the same kind of reason why a lot of people can't eat like uni, for instance, cause it just smells like the ocean. I can't do any. Yeah. It's like the smell of just like the salty ocean smell that kind of throws a lot of people off. Yeah. But you get that sweetness with the uni as well, which I do like, which you don't get with oysters. But yeah, I don't know. It was so weird just feeling my brain chemistry change just at the age of 35. I'm like, shit. I think I like oysters. Yeah. I'm like, literally I woke up one day and I'm like, damn, I like oysters now. I don't know what happened. My brain literally. I will say though, like oysters and also uni as well, like the difference between like really fresh, nice, you know, expensive oyster and uni versus like the not fresh cheap variety is like night and day. Yeah. Like you can immediately tell if it's like a cheap, not fresh one. There's some foods that you're like, I probably won't try not to eat the cheap one. Yeah. It's like, it's just not worth it. It's just not worth it. Yeah. I mean, that's what scarred me on uni. It was like I had like a really bad kind of sushi uni and it was like a little like darkish and like slightly green. And I was like, I'll try uni. And I tried, I was like, yeah. So if you come to Japan, highly recommend, if you, I mean, if you already like uni, then go for it. But if it's your first time, wouldn't recommend trying like a hundred yen uni. Yeah. You might. Pay a little bit extra and it's a wall to difference. It's definitely worth it. Yeah. Definitely. They also have like the egg tarts, which are famous in Portugal. Oh yeah. That was like, that was like with every time. That's great. Yeah. So fucking good. Yeah. First hot take of the day. Don't know if I'm a fan of European coffee. What? Wait, what do you mean? So just in general? Let me explain. Like explain, explain. I can't like, I was about to say that's my favorite part. I knew that I knew that was going to trigger you. There's nothing better than like sitting out on a balcony at like one PM and just sitting there with like an espresso. Connors Brown really far out the moment you said that. Yeah. I was just like, you know, there are plenty of times when we're at Sloan Porto and I'm like, let's go get a coffee and a nice European coffee shop. Sure. Like great. Go to the coffee shop, get served the coffee. It's like tiny, right? By the time we sit down, we've already finished the coffee. I'm like, damn, what do we do now? What do we do now? Or another one. That's the problem, Joey. I can ship it and take it. I can't. Talk. Yeah. Well, you're like fucking nicking that shit. But you can make an espresso less like 20 minutes if you just like sip it like, you know, it's very, what kind of what kind of sips are we taking? Just like little little little little bird sips. The espresso is strong enough where you don't need like a lot of the fluid. But I like, I like taking my time. But you know, just I like taking my time with the coffee. You know, it's whenever we order coffee, I'm always the last one to finish. I am always the last one to finish, right? But you're like, with that side, with the size of coffee you get in Europe, I'm just like, with, with, you'd have to like, you have to like take tiny baby sips. Okay. And they don't last nearly as long as I want them to last. I have a question. Okay. Do you feel like you have to leave when you finish your drink? I feel like, and this is, this is maybe like my, I need to stim, right? To me, to me, the act of, the act of like just having something there to just like, you know, just, just take a sip every now and again. Like I do, that's, that's me. I feel uncomfortable if I don't have something to like do, you know? Right. It's like, you know, you go to a bar, you finish your drink, right? Do you order another one? Or do you just leave it without any drink for a while? Depends on what I'm doing. If I'm in a conversation with someone, then I'll keep talking. Sometimes, you know, you're out drinking with someone and you're both drinking at different paces. And one of you is going to have to be like, all right, I'm going to wait for you to finish your drink. Yeah. So you can order it together. Same thing. It's just like, if we want to go to the next bar, it's like, well, maybe I'm like nearly done and you just got a new drink. And I'm like, I don't really want another drink. Yeah. I'm going to have to like speed run it. So I'll just wait for you to finish yours. Yeah. But I think what I realized with like European coffee culture is that I only really like, at most I would like two coffees, but with the size that they give you, no matter if you order like a latte or a cappuccino or an espresso for that matter, they're all the same fucking size. But you know, The latte is bigger. It's like slightly bigger. No, no, no, it's like a lot bigger. How, wait, hold on. How big are we talking? Like cappuccino is normally like this big. And then the latte normally comes in the glass. It's like this bit. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I feel. How is it? Really? Cause cause cause the ones I went to, they were all like kind of like the same as size. You would rarely get one. Unless you're getting a latte macchiato. It's like more. Maybe. I'm my coffee knowledge. I think she's smaller than the normal latte. Or then the next time then you're in Europe gone, just order the largest fucking coffee they have every time. And then you'll be good. Even the largest coffee, just the largest, just go up to them and be like, what's the largest size that you have? Yeah, that's like the size for the latte. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's what I was imagining. Okay. That's pretty much the largest size they have. How fast are you drinking that? So, cause I'll take my time with that. Okay. That one, that one is a reasonable size. All the coffee shops I went to was more like that one on the, The very left? Yeah. That's pretty big. That's tiny. That is tiny. That's also most certainly a cappuccino. Yeah. I could easily, I don't know. Like how fast are you drinking this thing? Like in a few minutes? Yeah. Like five minutes. Like you drink coffee like Americans drink alcohol. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't say that. It's like, you could go through that in like five, 10 minutes. I guess, but if I wanted to take my time with it, I can. I feel like I'm talking most of the time. So I feel like I don't have as much room to, or even if you're like, say for example, you're out in somewhere in Europe and you're outside, sitting outside, basking in the sun with a coffee and you're just killing some time, then you can just, I don't know, talk to your friends or if you're by yourself, you know, how much, how much, look at your phone. How much coffee can you drink in like one sitting? One session. In one session? Yeah. One, one coffee, one coffee. Sounds degenerate that question. You shouldn't be asking this question. I am asking this question. I don't think I'll ever. Have you ever min-maxed your coffee before? No, no, no. I've only ever done like two. Yeah, two at most. Two? Yeah. It's like, maybe you have had one and I'll be like, all right, this is a great conversation. I'll go get another one. Yeah, after two, it's like DGEN territory. Yeah, that's pretty fucking DGEN. Keep drinking. Considering we just ordered another coffee after sitting down after finishing our coffees here. This is my second one. So after this one, good. We are drinking these coffees over the course of like three or four hours. It's a normal morning for me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I just found that maybe I've been America-pilled. I think so. Maybe. Because I noticed that it's not just America, but I feel like British coffees are more similar in size to like America than it is to Europeans, even though, even though, you know, we're closer to Europe. What? I think it's just like, I don't know. I feel like espresso isn't as popular in the UK as it is in like the British area. You can't make it last long. Yeah. Yeah. We also, we like the weird like fucking cinnamon, fucking bollocks that they add to coffee. Oh yeah. The spice, the pumpkin spice latte. It's combined with spice and all that. We like that. We do, but there's necessarily need to be pumpkin spice, but... We like those kind of variants and like coffees. It makes it a fun drink. See, my hot take is I don't know what the fuck the hype is around pumpkin spice lattes. I think, I think... I don't even have any pumpkin spice in it. It's just like, I think it actually ruins the coffee. Is there any flavored coffee variant that you fuck with? I mean, when I was like younger, I could do maybe like, you know, like there's like the vanilla creamers and stuff like that that you can get in like American stuff. In America sometimes you get the sweet foam cold brews. Those can be pretty good. Those are all right. The decent, because you're just getting cold brew with a little sweet layer on the top. Yeah. This could be good. I could do that, but nowadays I'm just like, you know, going back to the whole thing of like, I don't really eat sweet things anymore. I just, I don't even put sugar in my coffees anymore. No. I'm just like, no, just give me a... I mean, there's just something so fucking nice when you see like you order a cold brew or an Americano or just espresso and you're like zero calories. Yeah. God bless. God fucking bless. It's like, I don't really need the sugar because then it becomes way too sweet. Yeah. It's also like, coffee's like the goat at like, I feel like if you're trying to maintain a healthy weight because it's a, like what you call it. Diarrheic. Diarrheic and keeps you full. Yeah. So, you know, normally... Yeah. I'm immediately shitting off for a coffee. Is that what diarrheic means? No, it is a diarrheic, but there's also, I've got the word for it, it makes you not hungry. What's the word? I'm not making, I don't know. Do you know the word is guy? Yeah. Suppressant? Yeah. I thought diarrheic was when you like... It makes you want to shit. Yeah. Like shit. Diarrheic is when it's just straight through you. When it is that too. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, use cautiously. Wait, so, hold on. To go back to your hot take about, you're not liking European coffees. So this has nothing to do with the taste. No, the taste is amazing. I just want more of it. I want more of that taste. I feel like you should just drink a latte. Yeah. You should just get the largest size coffee. Well, also they don't really do iced. Yeah, but sometimes I want like a black coffee as well. Yeah. And even like, even like they're like, black coffees are like super small. I'm like, I don't want to add milk to this. I just want more of this. I think it's better to have increments of less because I often feel quite overwhelmed either in the UK or US when I get the size or something. And I'm like, fuck, I have to commit to this. Those in, you know, Europe and Japan, I can kind of have a little bit. And then if I want another one, I think what you should just go to Starbucks. Don't say that, Joe. You're good at it. That's gonna make me sound so unfulfilled. Because you should, because you can pick the sizes. I think you want like a grande. Yeah. I think you want a fucking grande. Just get a grande Starbucks, Joe. I don't think you can't have a normal fucking coffee. You need a grande or a fucking stall or some bollocks like this. I just like Starbucks. I just like having a large enough size that I don't need to commit to finishing it. But I could if I really, really needed to, you know. This is like why the big golf exists. People like you, I'm cultured. It's not about the size, God. It's about the quality, all right? Okay. Yeah. But sometimes it can be about the size. Sometimes I am about the quality. Get more sleep. But sometimes I just need a lot of something. I need it to last a certain amount of time. Or then at that point, bro, I think you just got to commit to getting like three coffees. I think that's your only solution. Bro, that's Degen, man. Yeah, but you know, if that's gonna solve your issue, then sometimes you got to go Degen. Give me the large size. Yeah. Just get next time you're in Europe, just go to a coffee shop. Just go up to the guy or girl and being like, hey, what is your largest coffee that you have? And then just get that. All right. All right. I have come around to bread though. Bread, amazing. What's that? Bread. Nice. It's just Europe bread, bro. Yeah, European bread, bro. You know, maybe that was my problem growing up. Maybe I just didn't go to Europe, you know, enough. Well, probably because in the UK, we mostly get just sliced bread. We don't really... Like white bread? Yeah. I mean, obviously you can get other ones, but it's kind of, you know, it's normally a family thing. Like if your family wants you to get more of the... Right, right. You know, it's not as real. Also, is it just me? Or is it easier to get good bread nowadays? It definitely is now. I feel like it was when we were growing up when it kind of started changing. I was just like, my bread before was Tesco's Hovis white bread and that was it. There wasn't any bakeries near where I lived. Really? There wasn't. Yeah. The bakeries near me was mainly like sweets. Yeah. It was me, sweet bread, cakes and stuff. Because I mean, obviously we have in the UK we have big like cakes and... Near as me was like... ...baked culture. Breaks. That was it. And then yeah, if it's... We don't really just have a store that sells just bread. Oh, really? Not really. Wait, but you guys didn't have like different types of like bread and like sweet and black and sweet stuff? So I can't remember when I was super young, but at least when I was getting older, because of stuff like Aldi and Lidl, which are like German companies, they obviously, you know, had pretty big bread selection. So I think that kind of pushed the other supermarkets into kind of having, offering more and stuff. Right. Yeah. I remember when I was growing up, it was mainly just sliced bread. Yeah. Like maybe a baguette. One thing I noticed in Porto as well is, you know, how they do like the wine thing, where they bring over the wine and they explain, you know, what the grapes are and what the flavor profile is. I swear to God, they were doing this with olive oil every time we'd... Every time we'd... They produce olive oil in Portugal. Right. So I think they're pretty proud of talking about it. What did they say? Like, oh, these olives were picked from this olive farm? There's always a story. There's always a story behind this. Always a fucking story. Yeah. And I don't know if I'm sold on it yet. You know, I like olive oil. I mean, they're trying to sell you a story. Yeah. I like olive oil. I like good olive oil, but I haven't been able to... This is gonna be another fucking thing. I haven't been able to like distinguish between the like super, super high quality olive oil and the good olive oil, you know? Me neither, to be honest. I mean, you can... All of all tastes there. All you know is that when you've had fucking awful oil, you can fucking taste it. You can taste awful oil, but once it gets like past such level of quality, it's like down where you're like everything else just tastes... I'm like, damn, this all slaps. You can only really tell when maybe when you're just literally just using it to dunk bread into. Which is what I do in Portugal. Yeah. But like when it's using cooking, it's like, bro, you're lighting it on fire. Yeah. Like I will say that like the Porto Olivo, it went hard. Normally I need a little bit of vinegar for with my... Yeah, like balsamic vinegar with the olive oil, but in Porto, they just dip the bread in the olive oil and I'm like, go down. This is good. This is fragrant as fuck. Dude, I want a fucking bath like in June, the fucking Baron hot in balsamic. Yeah. I want to fucking just sleep in the balsamic, come out of it like... You disturbed my balsamic bath. Bring me bread and olive oil. Yeah. No! It's hot me up. Yeah. I actually bought like some bottles of olive oil back with me. Oh, nice. That's how much I'm like. Damn, okay. Is Porto Olivo? Respect game, respect the game. This goes hard. He's gonna fool you. Yeah. I'm... When we got back in the country, the dogs found some of our suitcase. Fucking get away from that suitcase. It is good. It's good, but I just don't really think about it much. So I think they did tell me a couple of times, they're like, this is from Portugal. I'm like, okay. Is it word? Word? I appreciate that. Thank you. Are you a word? Thank you. Say less. Thank you. I'm from the UK. That's good. What's your favorite meal in Porto? There's a lot of good meals. Yeah. A lot of the lunches I had were really good. I know, the lunch game there is insane. I mean, just dining and looking at like the beautiful rivers is just so nice in general and it's so affordable. Like they had this thing as well, that was pretty common. They would have like this rice with duck, like fried rice with duck. So good. So good. I wasn't expecting duck. Yeah. A lot of sea bass as well. That was really nice. Sea bass is amazing. Oh yeah. I bit the seafood there was fine. Every single meal I had was amazing except one time I had lunch with a Moudin and the service was so ungodly, like stereotypically European bad. That it was like, God fucking dammit. Like we sit down, sun is beaming on me and there's just a little like parasol. And a heart who's with us goes to move it and the guy comes out who hasn't been on our table at all. The moment heart touches this parasol to move it, he fucking spawns and he's like, you can't touch that, don't move it. And he's like, okay. Anyway, he leaves then and we're like, can we order? Oh, no, okay. Then you try to order. And then you order like maybe like two drinks. He like sign it. And then he like walks off. He's like, we weren't done. Yes. What the fuck? And so you're like, all right, fine. Okay. And then when he brings out the drinks, it's just kind of like a thing of like, just throws it on the table and leaves. You're like, okay. All right, shit, fuck. All right. And then obviously like it became more busy at the time this was all happening. It wasn't very busy. I get my food come out and it's just like a giant fucking fly in it right away. I'm like, bro, bro. I'm like, whatever, pull, take the fly out, just keep eating it. Cause I'm like, I don't give a fuck. But then after a while, I'm getting cooked real bad by the sun. So I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll just move the parasol. So I got to move the parasol. Dude instantly spawns and it's like, like a Skyrim dialogue. He's like, what are you doing? I've informed you not to touch the parasol. Yeah. And I'm like, I am dying. There is literally covering no one else at this time. Like, please let us move the parasol. Just so I'm not getting like indirect sunlight. And they're like, no, you cannot. And I'm like, okay. It's fine. And then I'm like, all right. Can we order our mates? And he walks off. I'm like, fuck it. When I crash out, I'm going to crash out. Yeah. It was a disaster. And then at the end, only place that ever asked me was like, you can tip 5% or 10% or- That place? Yeah. No one else asked me, I'll ask me this. Okay. And then at the end he goes, oh, zero. Like, I need quietly. And I was like, not a zero, man. I'm good. I was like, this was awful. This was genuinely awful. The oldacity. Literally every other dining experience was amazing. Never asked for a tip, tip anyway. Cause I'm like, this is great. Like only like a little bit of 60 euro, but it was so fucking nice. Yeah. I will say Porto do need to, I don't know if this was Portugal wide or just Porto, but they definitely need to up their beer game. Not a lot of beer. You go, you go to Porto and you sit down in a restaurant and you get like the wine list. And it's like, it's like a fucking yellow pages. Like pages upon pages of like wines from like, cause we're like, Porto is also right next to like a wine region called like Doro Valley. So you got pages and pages of wine. You want beer? You got one choice. It's a superbok. I think that's what it's called. Superbok, right? Superbok? Yeah. That sounds awful. Superbok. Superbok beer. B-B-O-C. Yeah. Yeah. Superbok. Yeah. This is like, I think this is the only beer I saw all around Porto. Is this like the Corona beer in Portugal? Yeah. Cause I was talking to a friend who has family in Portugal. And apparently, you know, craft beer is just becoming a thing in Porto because outside of that, everyone, if you want beer, you have Superbok. And that's pretty much it as well. Did you try it? It's what I'm told. I mean, it's just the most typical bog standard. This is beer. Yeah. This looks like the most beer beer. It is just beer beer, you know? And he was telling me a story about one of his family members who, you know, went to this new craft beer and he was like, you know what? I'm going to try something else other than Superbok. I'm going to try this, maybe make this new craft beer called Guinness. Yeah. Right. So this Portuguese lad, or there's a Guinness, right? Has a sip of it. And he's like, what is wrong with this beer? This beer is flat. Where is all the bubbles? Where is all the fizziness? He talks, he signals the waiter and he's like, I think something's wrong with this beer. This beer is flat. And the waiter looks at it and he goes, I've never served this beer before either. I'm going to give you a new fresh one. New fresh one comes out and it's also still flat. And so just, just tells me what a lot of locals, they only know Superbok and that's it. Just purely a wine drinking country. Yeah. Purely a wine drinking country and Superbok. And that's all you get. That's great wine. It is, it does have pretty good wine. Very affordable. Yeah. Very affordable, which is something I forget about Europeans, especially being in Japan. Well, cause there's like, you know, you have like the, there was like very expensive wine, but generally there's like the daily wine, which is like just really cheap, affordable. Yeah. And they're quite easy to drink. Yeah, but honestly. Super cheap, four euros a glass or something, or even less. Damn. Yeah. Honestly, would recommend, would recommend Porto a lot, recommend Portugal. Did you go see any of the cathedrals? I did. I did. Yeah. I walked up all the steps. They're staying on the other side. So I walked over these like crazy assassins, Creed, back alleys. Yeah. One in the church is nice. It's a good one. It's fine. I just realized I'm not a big sightseeing person. I'm not a big sightseeing person. I'm a big sitting down and eating and relaxing person. Yeah. Maybe walking around, but yeah, I don't know. But sometimes I'm just thinking like, you know, going to some of the cathedrals, I'm like, damn, Catholics, man. Holy shit, man. You're going to the room with the goals. It's just like, just some of these fucking churches, man. Oh yeah. The architecture and the artistry. And just damn, how much money is this? Yeah. I remember when I went to, when I went to Barcelona years ago and I went to the Sagrada Familia, which is like that giant fucking insane looking cathedral that they have. That's not even finished, right? Like they're still on the store. You're just standing in front of this thing and you're like, oh my God, that's a lot of money. That thing was insane. Yeah. It was really cool. Yeah. Okay. As someone who loves sightseeing, this sounds like a place I would love. Oh no, you would love it. Yeah. Cause my favorite thing to do when I go anywhere is to just walk around. Yeah. That's literally what I did because I, somehow convinced Emily, Dytus and D to leave their rooms, which is hard enough to do already. Cause Emily really wanted Churros. And I'm like, Emily, this is, this is, you know, Go to Disneyland. You know, right area, wrong country. But so we were just walking around Porto, trying to find Churros for Emily. And just through just the acts of walking around, we just stumbled upon, can you just search up like Porto? What's the central Porto? Yeah. I want to see what the city looks like. Like Porto Bridge. There you go. Like, That like joins the two sides. That joins the two sides. You can just walk over it. So you, So basically everywhere you walk around, looks like the most picturesque place you can ever find. And there's so many little, little like alleyways that you can get lost in and explore. I love that. Cause that was, we were like, let's go towards like the bridge area and see what we find. That's like the center center. Yeah. That's this like the center center. And it's like a relatively small city, right? And it is a relatively small city. And you, you walk up to the bridge and you just see like the riverside and all of the buildings as well. Unfortunately we didn't see any of the, I didn't see the main tourist spots. I think I don't even know if the cathedral I went to was the main cathedral. It's just a cathedral. I think it's just a cathedral. That was enough for me. There was also like a bookshop as well, which I heard people go to. Famous. Yeah. The library is famous. Yeah. Famous bookshop. Unfortunately, I can't read. So I, I just, yeah, I mean, you know, it's a library, and it's just books. Do they have the Chris Brod's book in there? I mean, yeah, it's certain things. Like I just don't want to be behind one million tourists. Yeah. Look at things. Yeah. And honestly, it was like pretty busy in terms of tourists, but it wasn't as overwhelming as I thought it was going to be. Yeah. It was not bad actually. Yeah. I think it's really also there at like some of the weekdays as well. But I, for me, like the dream day of a vacation is wake up and only nine, 10. Yeah. Have God like breakfast, sit around for an hour and then do gym. And then maybe now it's like what, like two 30. And then I'm like, all right, let's get a, oh, like probably like lunch, I guess. Yeah. Get lunch, sit around more, maybe go to the pool, chill and then walk to dinner or something and then just walk around a bit and go home. That's like, I can eat all day. Eat and then exercise. Yeah. Very nice. That's like truly relaxing. But you can exercise by walking around as well. Yeah. You can do that too. But I prefer to like, I don't know, do a full workout. And then I'm like, fair enough. All right. It's different. Walking, walking feels different to like walking out. Yeah. It's still working out though. Especially if you're walking around all day. I guess so. Yeah. But yeah, honestly, just a nice holiday. Cool. Amazing wedding. I know where I want to go to next. I've always wanted to go, I've always wanted to go to Portugal actually because I do have a couple of friends who live there. It's nice just far away from Japan. It is. It is very far away. The smallest, like the quickest trip you can do from Japan to Portugal in general is like 20 hours. Yeah. Sounds about right. Because you have to lay over. Well, you know, I've done Madagascar before, so I'm used to it. True. I'm used to the long flights. True. But yeah, I feel like when you get past the like 12 hour range is where it really comes in kind of a slog. Yeah. Okay. Now I'm like in a full sleep day, wake up again, airport, you're like, it's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. Do you know what happened to Emily and Dytus? At the beginning? No. So, I don't know how this happened. Oh, no, I did get hit this. I did get hit this. 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Terms and conditions apply. We head out and... We start messaging... Sydney starts messaging Emily and Dytas. And we're like, where are you guys? And they're like, we're at the Starbucks. And I'm like, cool. So, we walk around and we see a Starbucks. We go to the Starbucks and we message them. And we're like, yo, where are you guys? We can't see you. And they're like, no, we're sitting down at the Starbucks. And then we replied saying, we're sitting down at the Starbucks. Are you at the right Starbucks? And then they go, yeah, we're at the Starbucks outside the arrivals. And we're like, we're outside the Starbucks outside the arrivals. What's going on? And then we're like so confused. And then Sydney messages them. Where are you guys right now? And they're like, we're at Lisbon Airport. Oh my God. And they had somehow, in terms of like, I don't know if there was a miscommunication happening. They had somehow found themselves in Lisbon Airport. After God knows how many hours of their flights that they've just taken. I think in their head, they were like, we're meeting up in Portugal. It's like, Porto, Portugal. It's the same thing. Porto's just short for Portugal. I asked them, what they told me about this. And I was like, how does this happen? They were like, yeah, we were in Sydney and we said, we'll be at Lisbon. And we said Lisbon like five times. And Sydney was like, okay. So I guess Sydney also didn't correct them. Which sounds like Sydney. I believe as well. Because it's quite far, right? Porto from Lisbon? Yeah, like a three hour train or two hour train. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like on the other side of Portugal. No, no, it's not that far. It's not that far. And luckily it's Europe. So it's never too far. Oh, I guess it sounds the south. That's fucking far. It's pretty far. Yeah, but God damn. I feel so bad, man. So what, they just had to get a train? Yeah, they just had to get a train. And I think they turned their like travel time to like a full 24 hours or some shit like that. Credit to them. They still came in with smiles once they arrived. Get on them. But God damn, it was like that. That wasn't even the worst. That wasn't even like the worst travel thing that happened. One of our mates, he had a flight that was scheduled for 5 a.m. And they were gonna arrive at Porto at like 7 a.m. or something. Right. So they get to, so they were on the train to the airport and then someone pulled the fire alarm Oh shit. On the way to the airport. So they missed their flight at 5 a.m. after waking up at like 3 a.m. And there were no flights to Porto for that entire day. Oh shit. So they needed to rebook. They needed to change airports to Gatwick for a flight that was gonna take off eight hours later. Right. So they somehow find their way to get a flight not to Porto, but to Lisbon. Okay. And they're like, okay, at least we're gonna be in the country and we can get a train over. Nope. They arrive at 8 p.m. around like in the evening time. So they arrived after a point when the last train from Lisbon to Porto was going to like, was going to depart. Right. So they needed to rent a car to drive there which takes way longer. Yeah. And so they ended up having plans to arrive at Porto at 7 a.m. They ended up arriving at 2 a.m. that night. So a two hour trip turned into like a 20 hour trip. Yeah. Fuck in hell. And that was probably the worst thing that happened during this Portugal trip. Yeah. After that point, I just wouldn't travel for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. I'd be scarred all the time. You know what guys? I'm done. Traveling is not for me. I'm done holidaying, you know. Yeah. My mom was pretty chill. Yeah. I was pretty chill as well. I mean, I just hate going to Frankfurt airport. That's where my layover was. I hate going there. I feel like they're always disorganized. Germany, you're so known for efficiency, but what is it with airports, train stations, so fucking efficient? Shit show. Damn. Yeah. But that was our European trip. And yeah. Well done. Well done. Yes, I relaxed and drank wine. Well done. Well done guys. The wedding was great. Beautiful wedding. Everyone got decently drunk and married. As you do. As you should. I was struggling with jet lag. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I can tell. Yeah, cause you guys flew directly from Japan, right? Yeah. Yeah, our difference. And I was just like 10 PM. Oh. That's the worst as well when it's like. I'm awake. I'm awake. The quarter day difference jet lag is the worst. Yeah. Like six to 12 hour differences. Going back to the UK or I really normally kind of struggle with or at least normally coming back, I really struggle with. I've struggled with that coming back. Holy shit. Normally when I go there, it's fine. It's fine. I'm doing stuff and then when you come back, it's like, I gotta get back to work. And I gotta go to sleep at a normal time and eat. And you're like, okay. Right, right. Yeah, I was struggling a lot coming back. So yeah. I went right, I came back and went right into a Final Fantasy Tactics marathon. Oh yeah. Yeah. I tell you, it was the day after I came back. Was that the first time playing tactics? Yeah. How was it? Maybe the best Final Fantasy. It is the best Final Fantasy. Might be the best one. Does it like story? Or... Story 100%. I think it might be my favorite. Yeah. Like it's so mature. The voice acting is so good. And then the new one, they added voice acting. Yeah. All the characters voice acting. Really fucking good voice acting. I'm working my way through it right now. It's amazing. Yeah. It's so good. So good. It's like, I don't know, imagine if Final Fantasy, but they added a bit more edge. Yeah. A bit more, you know, dark aspects of the stories and characters and add a lot of... Not that it doesn't have maturity, but maybe, I don't know, what's the right word to describe the story? Just gritty. Yeah. Quite gritty. Right. Despondent, maybe. And, you know, a lot of those like Final Fantasy-isms, still some of them are still there, but a lot of the ones that like, we got to fight God. That's kind of gone. Okay. And that's kind of... Would you say it's the smallest scale in terms of story? It's more in line with like a Fire Emblem story, I would say, if anything. Because, you know, the gameplay is also similar to Fire Emblem. It's grid-based tactic, turn-based tactic game, but it's a lot more... There's a lot more intuitive elements to tactics, I feel. It's a lot more grounded. You know, it's kind of like War of the Roses, a lot of inspiration from that in the UK, obviously. And then, you know, there's a lot of like... There's a lot of aspects of it that obviously, if you're, you know, today that are really relevant, you know, there's a lot of aspects where they're often like, why should we be taxed by the rich to have no benefit for it? And you're like, hold on, okay. I'm kind of spitting right now. You know, there's a lot of like, you know, there's groups in it that are like, want just the monarchy to be gone. And then you're fighting for the monarchy at the time. You're like, wait, why? This guy's kind of based. Why am I fighting? What am I going against? I feel like some subjects are always relevant, you know? Yeah, true. I mean, it's a 20-year-old story. But just really like relevant, really gritty. And like the political aspects that are really interesting as well in terms of a Final Fantasy story. Because I feel like often sometimes there's kind of a, you know, like obviously Final Fantasy VII is about, you know, using the earth's resources and stuff. And it's very... Yeah. It's very apparent what it's talking about. But it's kind of nice to see it kind of go back to more like, all right, the homeless is kind of factions here. And they're kind of like both, you know, Ram. And Ram's is a really interesting character from a Final Fantasy perspective because he's born into royalty. But he doesn't really want to be born into royalty. And so it's kind of like, or he doesn't really like the aspects of it. Right. But he also doesn't really fight it in the start. So there's like this kind of really cool aspect where he's kind of having to kind of be like, wait, me doing nothing is helping the system? I need to actively fight against it. All right. Sure. Based. So sick. Hell yeah. How long's the game? 40 hours. Okay, okay. So it's called three days. It's a standard Final Fantasy. But really good. The gameplay is really good. It's hard, at least on tactician mode. It's hard. Like we were, I was playing on tactician. Well, because the first one was a little too easy. Yeah. But then I also had Pete helping me. Yeah. And so Pete was like right away from the ground. He was right away. He's like, grand rules. I'm going to explain how it works. And he was really helpful and kind of explain the mechanics. Yeah. Because you get you get XP based on how many actions you perform. Right. Unsuccessful actions. Yeah. So you do have to kind of do a lot of grinding. Yeah. Otherwise you get like kind of stuck. And it's weird because there will be fights that are really easy. And then suddenly it'll be like, here's the hardest fucking thing you've ever experienced in your life. You're like, oh, that sounds like every turn based game, honestly. Fire Emblem does something similar. I guess so. Yeah. Fire Emblem does that. But tactics got to the point where in the original game, if you didn't grind at certain points and if you saved at the wrong time, you would just straight up soft walk because the game's progression would just be like this. And then it just suddenly be like, here's a hard boss. I mean, there was like one or two bosses in this that like, it went from like two to 10. And you're like, what the fuck? Because the game expects you to grind. Right. Yeah. There was a couple of times when me and Pete had to like, do some really weird builds to just try and get past one section of the fight because it was so fucked. Well, you liked it though. So good. Yeah. It might be my favorite. I mean, definitely my favorite story in Final Fantasy, but maybe my Final Fantasy. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I need time to cook. I need time to like stew on it and get out. You always need time to just let it stew a little bit because I feel like a lot of people, they were like, OK, this is my opinion. My opinion is not going to change. And I feel like there's some games or just media in general where you let it sit for a while and you're like, maybe that wasn't as good as I thought it was. Yeah. I mean, how much do I think about it after is a massive determinant? Yeah. How much I actually end up liking it. Yeah. There are so many things where I finish it. I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. And then I just don't end up thinking about it. And some things that I don't like, I think I don't really fuck with. And then for some reason, I just keep thinking about it. You know, you know, something about it lingers with me. I mean, even if it was just the added voice acting, I think it would still be worth, you know, re-releasing it because the voice acting is so, so good. So good in this game. OK. It is genuinely amazing. And they're like genuinely casted. I mean, I play. And the writing, the writing is Godlike. I'm playing it in Japanese. I don't know how the English voice acting is. Dude, the English was so fine. Yeah. I feel like maybe I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pilled here, but I feel like it's, it's such a medieval like English story. Yeah. And it suits, it suits it so well because all the dialogue is in kind of, I don't, for lack of better terms, I don't really know how to explain. Old English. Yeah. Like Shakespeare kind of English, you know, not, I know that's not correct and people are pulling that. But like it's all written like that. And it lends itself so well to the story. So I feel like it should be playing in English. Yeah. It's a good game. Playing in English, Joey. It's so good in English. Yeah. The Japanese voice acting is like legitimately spot on to what I was because, you know, when I played as a kid, there's only like one or two characters that are voice acted in certain cut scenes and the rest is just text. So you, as a kid, I just like imagined what these characters would sound like. And so when I started the game, there's a part of me that was like, Oh, I hope the character that I like has the, that one voice that I imagined him to have. Yeah. And it was all spot on. Which is pretty cool. Cause like there'll be some characters that are only there for one or two scenes, but the voice acted as such a good job. Yeah. The writing is so tight that like, you're like, okay. It really brings the story to life for sure. And it's really fun too. Cause depending on which characters you bring in the fight, you get different dialogues. Yeah. It's really cool too. Oh, that's cool. Fucking amazing game. Maybe like my favorite game I've played this year. Oh, really? It might be my favorite. Damn. I don't know. I've played a lot of really good games this year. Like Soma's really good. Yeah. I just played a game called Look Outside. That was really good. It was like an Eldritch horror, like Cosmic Horror. Oh, cool. Kind of JRPG maker style. Oh, okay. Okay. Nice. Really, really good. Yeah. I mean, the images of this game. Oh, this looks up my alley. This is, yeah. I think you'd really enjoy this game. I mean, look at some of the enemy designs. Yeah. That's sick. This is really fun. Yeah, it is like RPG maker. Yeah. Yeah. Really cool game. And yeah, I really enjoyed this game a lot too. I just finished this recently. But Final Fantasy is really good. This was amazing too. The sprite work, it's so cool. And very like, beer and hunger coded for lack of better. That's where we're explaining it. I know that it's a very derivative to say that because I know that like, this is the game. It's the fear and hunger. Yeah, this is like. It's like indie games. But like just very easily kind of give you an idea. Yeah. But I liked it because it kind of rewarded you for being hopeful. And like, there's a lot of people who you meet. Like, oh, this guy's going to fucking kill me. I like how you search this and people also search for fear and hunger. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to imagine that it wouldn't have been somewhat kind of, you know, the popularity of fear and hunger. I imagine maybe even if it not intentionally so, like, robbed off on. Yeah. But like the, because you open up and, you know, you look outside immediately and you fucking die. Yeah. And you're like, okay, can't look outside. And then it's all very weird and people approach your door and they knock and they're like, you have to see if you want to talk to them or not. I've noticed there's especially this year, I feel. And, you know, maybe this is just me noticing it now. But there's been a lot of this kinds of like more existential cosmic horror, analog horror, inspired indie games that have been coming out that have just been fucking killing it. Like the No, I'm Not Human like that. Yeah, that's an amazing game too. Fucking insane. Such an insane game. Have you played this game? No, I'm not human. No. Super interesting game. So it was a demo. We've got a demo, like a short horror game on a anthology steam collection. Yeah. A year and a half ago or a year ago. And it was really popular. So people were like, it was very odd because it was only about an hour, hour and a half. And it was just a demo and got insanely popular because the concept was really unique and the visual style was really strong too. If you click the images, you'll see some of the styles. It's very intense. It's kind of like, what is it like, full motion video, like FMV styled, like visuals, like from the 90s and stuff. You can click any of the ones where he's like got a gun out or the eyes are like, you can see. It's the whole idea of like how like it's the end of the world. The sun is like turned into like a cosmic ray that like kills anyone that's outside. And there are these like, quite a quite skin walkers that are walking around at night. And you have to, you're basically in the whole game, you're inside your own house and you have to either invite people who come to your house to save them or push them away. But you won't know if they're going to kill you or not. Unless you do like a certain number of like tests on them. But you have to let people in because there's this, that one creepy guy who's smiling. If you don't have people in your house, he'll kill you. Yeah. He'll also, there is a, so the game opens up, you wake up, your neighbor comes over, he's like, Hey, you have to keep people in your house. Otherwise it's not safe to be alone. Yeah. Okay. And then obviously right away you start getting knocks on the door and then you're like, Okay, I'll let this guy in, I guess. And then you let them in and you don't really know right away. You can't check. You have very limited conversation with them. You can't ask them a lot of questions and you have to decide, do you let them in? And if you let them in, you go to bed, you wake up the next morning, there's a TV and saying, Oh, there's a disaster. These people are infected. Here's a sign they'll be infected. And every day you kind of get learned, they tell you a new sign. So they, oh, their eyes are red or they've got dirt under their fingernails. And so every day you have like a certain number of like, I guess, energy points to check the people in your house or even sometimes yourself because you can also get infected. Oh, that's pretty cool. And you have to basically just try and use context clues to figure out, is this person an actual human or is this guy going to kill me? Right. And so as you go on as well, this government agency that's on TV, they start turning up at the door and they start just taking people. You don't know why you can't really have a say in it. And if you try and fight back, they just get more aggressive and they just take people. And so you end up having to really like let a lot of people in and learning their stories. But the main like thing about the game is that you learn these things and you are almost feeling like you're thinking for yourself. But the whole thing is that it tries to make you just kind of be a participant in discrimination. Cause that's what you do. Cause you, the signs they give you are like, check their teeth. Are they perfect? If they're perfect, they're an alien or visitors, they call them. If they have bloodshot eyes, they're a visitor. These are all like really like things that anyone could have, right? Half of our eyes are bloodshot because we're fucking tired all the time. And some of the signs also are used like they have dirt under their fingernails. Stuff that like very, very discriminatory to like maybe like that could be like working class or... I know there's like a character where like they're a dentist and so they're like, of course I have perfect teeth. I'm a dentist. But like, do you believe him? Yeah. Yeah. And then also there's tests like, and the tests get more invasive. Like they're like, oh, we need to check your armpits. And so it gets like really kind of, the whole point of it is to make you kind of question, hey, you're just kind of participating in these, this weird government agency that's telling you to check these things. And you, it's really genius in the way that it so quickly makes you kind of throw all your humanity aside because you're like, well, I need to survive. And even though I don't trust this government agency, I don't have anything else. And you're this kind of lunatic who's kind of, you're kind of, you slowly revealed that like, you don't really know what's going on with your family, but you're kind of estranged from them. Or some people theorize you might have like killed your family. And you are known as like the hermit. So everyone in this town knows you're a bit of a weirdo. And you start kind of becoming, it's really genius in the way that it makes you participate in like just straight up discrimination and being like kind of ableist towards other people. And then kind of having to use that context to question like, what the fuck is going on in this world? Are they even visitors? Because the visitors in this game, they don't know they're visitors, but they'll kill people at night. So, you know, it's really interesting. I think the most genius thing as well that's like really subtle is the fact that every person who shows up to your door is like sitting in the uncanny valley. Like they all look slightly off. So you can't tell just from how they look because every character in this game looks slightly fucked up. So it's even more so. You're just like, okay, you can't just be like, oh, you look fucked up. So therefore you're probably a visitor. No, everyone looks fucked up. But then it absolutely tries to use your, you know, your discrimination that you probably have in your head. Like, there's a guy that he's like a, he loots from dead bodies and he looks like absolutely fucking unhinged. And of course, your first thought is, I'm not a fucking guy in my house, you know, but obviously he might, he might be totally fine. And so it's like, you have to, it really challenges you how you kind of view the world. But, you know, you very quickly kind of end up participating, which is super, you know, it is what it is really. And it points in the game, you get given a, like an envelope where you can almost give this to someone to have the government agency come and collect them. So you even more so get involved in kind of participating. It's really interesting. It's so interesting because even on the just like a surface level of what the gameplay is, it's really interesting. But then the deeper like kind of aspects of the game are really fascinating as well. It's such a cool game. And yeah, very, you know, it's like a five, six hour game. You can replay it a bunch as well as a bunch of cool endings. I didn't get so many cool endings. And it's some characters are set whether they'll be a visitor or not. But a lot of them are like, could be either or on each playthrough. So there's a lot of replays. And they all have really interesting stories. Yeah, that sounds like right up my alley and super interesting. Yeah. If you love like the whole like analog horror shit as well, like I mean, I love cosmic horror. Yeah, the only type of horror I like. Yes. And sometimes you'll like have someone come in your house and they'll tell you a story about something horrible that happened. And then another character will come in, maybe like days later, like in your playthrough to be hours. And he'll give you like, he'll tell a story and like, huh? Yeah. Sounds like you were there for the other side of this person's story. Like there's one guy who is a cab driver and he's like, oh, my dad got beaten half to death from a customer. And this mobster comes in later on. He's like, yeah, I beat this guy's beat this taxi driver to death because he looked at me the wrong way. And he's a piece of shit. And he'll like, okay, it's pretty fucking easy. A visitor or is it just a piece of shit human? They all have really interesting stories. And you know, some of them are really kind of bizarre and just unhinged or really like sad. Like, you know, there's like a kindergarten a teacher that's looking for kids. And she's like, absolutely, you know, not doing okay. Yeah. And at some point in the conversation, if you talk with her, she might grab your gun and shoot herself. Yeah. It's kind of all on him. Also the soundtrack is fucking terrifying in this game. Yeah. The music is very haunting. The music is so haunting. Really good game. Really cool game. Hope the devs keep making interesting games because it's a really cool concept. I just love seeing like the indie scene, especially like the indie horror scene, just like come out with so many like just unique games like this. You know, we AAA gaming is great too, but indie gaming has also been so fucking amazing right now. Sure. And is AAA gaming great? You know, I think what even is a AAA game? We get some we get some absolute bangers, but we get some real stinkers. But indies, you know, there's just so many games that it's so easy to find these amazing hidden gems that offer these really cool experiences that are not short. It's like, I've been I've been playing like I've been playing a bit of a Ghost of Yota. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. I'm started. It is a AAA game. What do you want to say? It is good. It is a good AAA game that I've played many times before. And this one is just comfort. You know, I feel like we're going through a stage right now where I remember back in the day where you like, okay, AAA game is going to be a shooter. No, it's got to be some kind of shooter. Now it's just like, okay, here is open worlds. Here is a mechanic to deal with open world. Here are some objectives to go to do the objectives. And that is it. Like I do think Ghost of Yota very cinematic, beautiful as a game. Holy shit is the game beautiful. The action gameplay is very fun. But at the end of the day, I feel like I'm just listening off like fucking talking points at this point. We are both sponsored to play. And yeah, I mean, I understand what you mean where it's like, it's got all the bells and whistles, but nothing is really gripping you. But that's why these indie horror games are so cool sometimes because they have such a strong concept. You're like, okay, and then the world is so interesting. Yeah, like I think the difference between like playing something like this and playing like something like Expedition 33, which, you know, I think that's like, I think that's more like a double AAA game rather than a AAA in terms of like how many people worked on it. But just the just the concept and the hook of it just and obviously, you know, Expedition 33 was doing something totally unique in terms of it's, you know, approached like gameplay and turn based combat and stuff like that. Whereas Ghost of Yota, I feel like I have played this game many times before. It is a polished game. Yeah, it's like the most solid eight out of 10 ever. Like you'll never, you will not be disappointed by anything. But it's not going to be like life changing. Yeah, which reminds me of like why I didn't finish Ghost of Tsushima, which I also really enjoyed as well. I just didn't finish it. And I think I've realized with a lot of these AAA games, what is the determiner about whether I finish it or not is, do I like the story? Because if I don't like the story too much, then there's not enough to keep me coming back before the next open world AAA title comes out. Yeah. Ghost of Tsushima started off really strong in terms of story, I think, but like once it opened up to the rest of the island, I was kind of just like, all right, it's the same thing again. Yeah, it's just kind of like I finished it, but I was like by the end of it, I wasn't as satisfied as I was hoping it would be. I also just don't think I enjoy console gaming much anymore. Right. I don't know. Why? I just don't like playing on the PlayStation. Really? Don't enjoy it. What's the difference? Because you're not streaming. Yes. No, I love the PC. I don't know. I just like being able to tweak everything and get it the way I like it and stuff like that. I mean, I'm glad something like Ghost of Yote exists, because it's something where I don't have to feel pressure to stream it. Well, I feel like, you know, unique experiences do better on stream. Right. Whereas this, this is literally turn my brain off, brain do brain thing and... B, B, bad SM right. It does. It does feel bad because I do feel like I am just consuming now. I am just consuming this thing. Well, because I think it's not, it's not, it's not pushing anything new. Yeah. It's not, it's not doing anything that like really get you excited. It's just, it does everything very good. Yeah. Which is so weird that that could be almost like a negative in a sense. You're like, man, I don't feel anything about it. Yeah. Right. And I understand what you mean. I feel the same way. It's like when they like remade like ratchet and clank. It's like, okay. I mean, it looks amazing and I'm sure the gameplay is great, but you're just kind of like, kind of nothing exciting. Yeah. We've been here before kind of still, right? Yeah. Which is why I love kind of, you know, playing those games, like there's no, I'm not human or like, look outside. It's like, at least it's like, it's, it's trying to do something or tell a story that's in at least a world that hasn't been explored or something like this. That's like, Cosmic Horror is so interesting. And so much potential for it. Yeah. And, and, you know, obviously they can also, you know, indie studios and indie devs can take a lot of risks and they can tell stories that, you know, these kind of studios can't really tell. Yeah. I think risk is a big thing because you, you know, when you, when you get up to like any ensayment industry, when we get to the AAA blockbuster productions, you do have a short list of stuff that you need to hit in order to appeal and get as many sales as you possibly can. Appeal to the largest crowd as possible. Yeah. Yeah. And in a sense that limits the type of, not any type of gameplay you can get away with, the type of stories you can tell, the type of, you know, the type of approach, just the type of approach you have to a game in general, which is why I feel like when you do have a big budget production that does do something new, I think that should be really fucking celebrated because that just means that there is a someone, many people are taking risks on this at a high enough level. And it is a very, very rare case that you do get a AAA production that does, is willing enough to do something new, which is why, you know, I don't know when the last time this happened, but last time it felt like it happened to me, it was Breath of the Wild. You know, seeing just a whole new approach to open world gameplay and that was just, I feel like that was like, that's why I hold it as like in such high esteem, just because I know how rare for something like that, for something like that to happen, especially in this modern day where it does feel like at the high... We're spoiled as well. We're spoiled as well. Yeah, we are spoiled. We are spoiled. So like, you know, doing an 8 out of 10 almost nowadays, I'm like, is that good enough? Yeah. To warm up. Yeah. I'll just go and play Fortnite every hour. Yeah. I mean, it's like a tough, it's like, how do you stand out now? Yeah. You have to really be doing something interesting. Sure. And, you know, even when you put this game up, it sounds beautiful. The visuals are insane. Holy shit, the visuals are insane. Yeah. The cutscenes, like the European cutscene is like genuinely like Kill Bill. It's like as good as like, it looks as good as these movies. There is one thing that annoys me because I am playing it in English because... I am playing it in English because it is a, you know, it's an American made game. This was the English first recorded. It is English first recorded and I don't know, in Japan, it's set in Japan. I'm like, I can enjoy this in Japanese. I can enjoy this in English, but they do do this thing in the English scripts, where it's getting to this point now where before anime dubs or just, you know, dubs in general were praised for picking and choosing Japanese words and keeping words like san or sensei in it. But there are some, there are some points in Ghosts of Yote where I'm like, did this need to be in Japanese? Yeah. Yeah. Did Yari need to be like, can you not just say spear? You know, there are so many words in there. Oh, they say Yari. Yeah. They say Yari in there. Right. Just say spear. And I'm like, what is the line here? What are we choosing to be in English and what are we choosing to be in Japanese? Yeah, but Yari just sounds so cool. Yeah. I think this is a thing because obviously Japanese culture is so kind of, I mean, it's quite revered, I guess. Yeah. Like out of, you know, it gets the most glazed. Okay. It does. It does. It does. It's an absolute fucking glaze fest. Okay. And look, we're no fucking strangers to this. We fucking glaze it too. Yeah. Sure. But sometimes it gets glazed so heavily, we're like, bro, it's chill. This is like, it reminds me of, and I always fucking think back to this moment when I went to that fucking bougie restaurant in Belgium and they called it negi to me. I'm like, brother, it's a fucking leak. We call it a leak, bro. We have a word for this. Like fuck off. Like this is ridiculous. Like no amount of like, and it's purely because they're like, we call it a negi. It's Japanese and it's fancier. Yeah. Yeah. It's not just any leak. Yeah. Yeah. We can Japanese? Like fucking ridiculous. Like come on, bro. We have these words. Yeah. We fucking. I don't, I'm like, this thing exists outside of Japan. You know, I understand if it's a Japanese word that, you know, maybe has a little bit more difficult of a translation or, you know, requires like several words to translate. But yeah, fucking just call it a spear. And I don't know what a spear is. Like I think if, yeah, like you've mentioned, if the word exists and it's very commonly used in English, it's like, just, you know, but like if the door is like the paper door, you could just call it the, the shorji. Yeah. So I guess that's like, we don't, we don't have that. Yeah. That makes sense because that is a, you know, that is a uniquely Japanese thing. But like, you know, the reason why they'd be like, it's a katana, not a sword. I think that's fine. It's like, that's, it's widely known as a katana, right? Yeah. Calls it that. But like, yeah, spear. It's like, nobody fucking calls it the, the yari, you know what I mean? Do they call bow and arrows like yumiya? Oh, probably. Probably. Yeah. I think they call it bow, but then they have the name of each type of bow in Japanese. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. You would be like, yo bro, pass me the, pass me the yumiya. Fuck you off, bro. But then you get like, you unlock other weapons as well. And I'm like, okay, so this thing is a sickle. I can't even remember the Japanese name that they refer to as. Kamma. Kamma. Huh? Kamma. Oh no. Let me, let me start. But like, we have that word and we all know it's a sickle. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's called sickle. I mean, you're okay. I mean, you're obviously half Japanese, half English speaking. So how do you feel about when you see this stuff? Oh, I'm just like, if there's an English word for it and the whole dialogue is in English, just say the English words. Yeah. Yeah. But if it's again, something like katana or something, right? Where it's like very uniquely Japanese thing, then I understand. Okay. But just don't, don't say, oh, I need my yari. Okay. Say speed. Maybe, okay, I have another, maybe a tougher question for you. Okay. In this game, one thing that I didn't know how I felt about this. Maybe you could tell me your thoughts. In the game, everyone in English talks with a Japanese accent. Oh, okay. So like, they don't, so when they talk in English, they all have like an Asian accent. Right. Right. And I don't know if it's like. Is it like the stereotypical like. I don't know. Like, I don't know. His, his might take on this, right? Okay. Because I'm pretty sure they did hire. It's all Asian actors. It's all Asian actors. They're not getting like fucking Tim from Milwaukee. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Puss me my yari. They're not doing that. Like, the thing I like. The thing is. The thing is. It's not like a song. I must have mis-praced your yari. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. It is kind of getting to that. It's getting close to that. Right. Because I could feel. I feel like I'm wrong good, you know. I could tell they are getting Asian American actors or just like, you know, Asian actors. But I'm, I feel like, I feel like they're like, can you, can you switch up your Japanese side? Just like, just like 50%. Just like, because, because I, I, I, I, I could fucking tell that they are doing that. Right. Because I don't think they're taking, like, they're not trying to take the piss or anything. No, no, no, no, they're not talking to the piss, but it would be the equivalent of like, me trying to imitate my tie, my mom's tie accent, you know, where I'm like, I, I am a Thai person that can speak English, but I can also imitate like a more Thai accent as well. I think, I think for me personally, there is only one situation where something like that can work. And that's when, if it's in a story that you can't take seriously, like if it's kind of done in like a sort of like parody kind of way, like where it's a game, you know, something like, like, let's say like the Yakuza games for something, right? Where like half of that game, you can't fucking take seriously because it's so ridiculous. Then I think something like that when kind of done in like a parody type of way can work. But if it's a super serious story like goes to Yote, I think it's gonna be distracting. And I wonder, is this a uniquely English thing? Like with the German dub, they have had like German dudes doing Japanese German actions. Like, I don't think so. I can be crazy. I knew when I heard you'd start to do that. So like, I feel like this is a uniquely odd thing that is done kind of in English. Yeah, I don't know because I was just like, I, this is made in English first. Yeah. But I'm like, it's just weird. There is this weird line right now where it's just like, yes, everyone has, everyone has an Asian accent in it. And I'm like, should they have just done just going, going, going full American production with this? I also think like if you had, let's say, actually, they definitely didn't do this, but I'm sure they had maybe some people doing this. They're like, let's say they just hired Japanese people who were fluent in English and obviously had a Japanese accent. At that point as well, I'm like, I don't know. Like that, because isn't this mainly for accessibility to have the other languages? So like, I feel like, should we just, I don't know. It's a very confusing thing. Maybe it's like a whole, maybe their idea of it was if they just got, let's say, a bunch of American actors to do the job, then maybe the American accent in a setting and characters like this, which is there would just be too much of like a displacement of like, if maybe it wouldn't be as believable. Yeah, I feel, I feel that. But then at the same time, it's like, if we've got people who are Japanese or Asian, I'm like, and if that's something I care about, I feel like I would just play the Japanese. Yeah. Yeah. If I wanted accessibility, I would just play the English. You know, I don't know. I feel it's a really odd thing. It is weird. I couldn't figure out if I, if I fucked with it or not. Because it was kind of cool, but I was also like, this is kind of odd. Because I've never seen a game do this. Yeah. Let's go to Tsushima do this too. I can't remember. I don't remember. I played in Japanese. I remember. Yeah. But I don't know. I almost, the commitment was impressive though, because every single character had an Asian accent. They committed to it. I was like, it's kind of cool. But at the same time, it kind of reminded me of, you know, like those old Kung Fu movie. But yeah, it works in like, like Kill Bill, because they're all speaking in English. And then they would have the guy from Japan who's the master swordsman who just happens to be fluent in English. Yeah. Like that does. It works. It's something like, you must occur a bit. Yeah. It works in something like Kill Bill, because like at the end of the day, Kill Bill is like a black comedy in a lot of ways. Right. Like there's a lot of parts that's just so ridiculous. You can't take it seriously. Right. So when like fucking go go, Hibari comes out and she's like, and you know, Uma Thurman is like, go, go, Dan. You can't take that seriously. It's funny. But I mean, look, I haven't played Go Zio-Tek, but I assume it's a very serious story. Yeah. The actors have done a phenomenal job. Yeah. The voice setting is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that very clear. Like this is not a criticism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a one. An observation. I just want to know what was the, like what was the deciding factor of this decision? And was it, is it, my main curious choice is, is this a uniquely English thing? My other question is, if... Because I don't think this is a thing in other languages. I don't know. I'm not informed enough. And what is the implication of that? I don't know. What does that mean? Like I don't, I don't know how to unpack that. My other question is, if hypothetically instead, they just decided to get all like, just full on non-Asian American actors or even British actors and chucked it in here, would it work? I would rather, I think I would rather have just them because I, you know, I looked up the cast and most of the cast are Asian Americans. I would rather have just, you know, them stick to their, you know, normal American accent. Yeah. You know, I honestly, there are some, there are some moments in it that instead of immersing me, it took me out because I'm hearing, I'm hearing like, oh, you must find the Yari master. And I'm just like, and I'm just like, this is, this, this, this is like Los Angeles. I'm like, this is getting too close to weeb speak as opposed to getting me immersed into like, that's what it is. It's a weeb speak. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's it. I'm like, maybe that's cause we're like too deep in the sauce. I don't know. Maybe if I was like, you know, not to be like, if I was not saying, I hate saying normies, I feel like it's so fucking, so it's so unhelpful to the conversation. But if I was just a normal consumer of games that didn't really like Japanese culture much, didn't care about it. I mean, I guess maybe it would just hit. I don't know. But for me, it's like, feels this really weird barrier of life. I'm sure if we were like, we went back to like our, you know, 14, 15 year old, we self and we heard like, oh, it was like, yes, I will find the Yari master. Yeah. Sure. I've already talked about it all. Yeah. We know how to feel. But again, like the voice performance is amazing. Yeah. It is so well done. No doubt. But just an interesting conundrum. Because I feel like we've modern, I mean, we had Shogun recently where they, it's an American made film and they literally committed to, you know, having Japanese people speak full Japanese subtitles and that. Yeah. People who spoke English, spoke English. Yeah. People who spoke English and Japanese sounded like they had a really heavy accent. And then there were people who spoke English had a heavy accent. Yeah. Yeah. And it was really, and it worked really well because I think that world felt so believable. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe the mix was the answer, but I don't think so. It's all Japanese. Like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can play this in Japanese. I mean, Fairu's voice is the at-sue. Oh, really? Yeah. That's kind of, and she's obviously, she's amazing. She's amazing. She's got this really good gruff voice that works really well with the character. Yeah. She was Jolene, right? Jolene. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. You know, which makes me think of like a game like, you know, Final Fantasy 16, where, you know, it's Japanese game, but they did dub that in English first. English first, yeah. You know, and you did have like the proper accents of all the different places there. Same with tactics. All the, they got all the different regional UK accents. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Yeah. It works really well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes me think, if you're going to commit to like a Japanese game, maybe just, maybe if you want that immersion, you do do it in Japanese first, even though you're in American production, because it has, it has been done before. You know what? Maybe they should have gone further. Maybe they should have just like thrown as many Japanese words in as fucking. Instead of like me, just saying, what's she? Yeah. Can I, can I? I don't know. What do you, I would love to hear what the viewers think about this as well. I'd love to know that any, you know, any thoughts below, because I feel like this is a, I haven't heard so anyone talk about this. Yeah. I was driving me crazy. I was like, I didn't know what to think about it. I was like, it's so bizarre. I mean, I kept it on English mostly because I normally play games. And the English performance is very good. English performance is great. Erica is it? Erica. Erica Ischke. Yeah. Who's a phenomenal actress. Yeah. Amazing job. No, I haven't. It was really fun to play. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like no, this was nothing about the acting performances at all. Yeah. And this is not like, I'm so mad that Asians, all Asians and no whites are allowed. It's not that either. Some people get really, you know, this is a fucking stupid cultural bollocks. Yeah. Give a fuck about it. It's not that. Yeah. Just would love to know where the accent specifically. Yeah. How people feel about it. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't, not, not, not just accents, but like word choice as well. Word choice. Like, when do we translate a word? When we don't translate a word? I feel like the rule of thumb should just be if it is a generally known English word and used often, this should just be that word, right? I agree. My rule of thumb is doesn't need translation notes. If it doesn't, it shouldn't be translated, you know? Kekaku. They got a means plan. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there's something we don't know. But there was a meme for a very long time where someone did the like the fan subtitles for Death Note when it was airing. Yeah. And they put all according to Kekaku and in sub and translation notes. Yeah. Translation notes. Kekaku means plan. And it became a meme. So it's like, why the fuck did you put all according to Kekaku? It's so funny. Oh yeah. Just fucking ridiculous. Classic. It's a, do you know what the role of a translation is? But it obviously was fan-subs. Yeah. It wasn't. It was just funny. It was just a, it's an iconic meme that circulates. Yeah. Yes. And so the word all according to Kekaku has lived on. Yeah. As a, as a meme that is done very well. Do they use the word Kekaku and goes to Yoda? No. Damn. They should. Yes. Yes. Yeah. There might be a moment. Whether it be like a general and being like general with, oh sorry, Shogun. We've moved the units over and he's like all according to Kekaku. That's cool. They're very commit as well to all the different like Ronin, Samurai. Yeah. Like they, they, they use those words very carefully to who's who. Yeah. See again, like if it's. Everyone's not just a Samurai. Yeah. Again, if it's once like Doni or Samurai, like yes, it makes sense to keep it in Japanese because it's part of the times and it's a little more difficult to understand. But we know what a fucking spear is. Yeah. Just say spear. One, it's just one big ad for Hokkaido. It is. It is another Hokkaido Glaser. Yeah. Wow. Hokkaido gets all the PR. No, I'm kidding. It's kidding. It's worth. It's worth. I mean, it's a cool man. There's a lip sync work because that's that was the reason why I played in English because I was like, I mean, I, you know, it's 3d game. So yeah, it worked. It worked out well for ghosts of Shima. I, because when I started playing 16, I started playing in Japanese and then I realized that the lip syncing was, you know, you also had to switch it to English. But with ghosts of Shima, it worked decently well from what I remember. Well, let us know down below what you think about all these conversations and games and whatnot. Hey, look at all these patrons though. They're beautiful. They are. Thank you guys. Hopefully you guys have been enjoying this month, enjoying all those wonderful games that have been coming out. And hey, here's something else you can enjoy if you join us over on the Patreon. 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