‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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State Farm is there. All right. F1. I have it as the number one. I can't believe this actually worked out movie of the 2020 CR. Felt like a bust for two years. Like the meter was running on this one for a while. There's some controversial reporting and back and forth between the production and our buddy Matt Bellany about how much this movie cost. It was like, is this just going to be on my iPhone? What's going on? Apple is heavily involved. It's like, what do they know about movies? Brad Pitt, maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver. There was a solid 24 months where it's like F1 is still shooting. They are shooting in this country, in that country, at this race, and the strikes and COVID and everything that slowed it down. They're in like Abu Dhabi, then they're in like Monaco. Wherever they were having races. Making is a complicated thing, but the story of making the movie should never be complicated. The more complicated the story of making the film is, the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster. This was a complicated from the technology that they needed, from the strikes, all of the stuff that was going on. It was a very, very complicated production. I'm glad Vance here because I wanted to lead the conversation with a declaration, which is that I feel the way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar, I feel that way about F1. This is fucking incredible. How did they do this? This is pushing movie making forward. I don't really care what the story is. This is mind blowing. Well, a good movie to end 2025 on too, because I do think this was the year we got sucked back into movie theaters. Sucked back. Sinners, F1, one battle, Minecraft. Sure. Conjuring last rights. Saw that in theaters. They were a bunch of movies this year where you're like, I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this. F1 was a great example. You had to see it on iMacs. It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family. We did a 930 showing at the Grove. Nobody was on their phone the whole time. Drove home. Everyone was exhilarated. We were like, that's what we want from a movie right there. It's good at home watching it a second time. Still good on the TVs. Not as good as in the movie theater, but classic sports movie has a lot of tropes. But just a thrill ride. A strangely important movie. Like just in terms of this type of movie making. A big star driven 80s style movie that's about a cultural phenomenon. That catches the cultural phenomenon in time. Right. You have all of these. You had Gleaming the Cube. I mean, some of these aren't big blockbusters, but we used to do these movies. Gleaming the Cube, skateboarding over the top, arm wrestling, all of this stuff. You put a star or an emerging star in a movie about a thing and it's a big deal. Then they kind of stopped making those movies. Movies were expected to be something that's more than just a fap. No holds barred with Hulk Hogan. No holds barred with Hulk Hogan. We could do this. So many different films we could talk about. Even Days of Thunder, NASCAR, all of that. Then they stopped doing them because we could no longer make the movie that's just kind of vapid. It seemed like an affront against the filmmaking gods to make a movie that was just kind of vapid but fun. And this movie is that. There's not much depth to the film, but the film in the total, some of its parts really, really works and really means something. I mean, I think that in Hollywood, it's all about IP, but Formula One racing and car racing in general is good in general. And it's like, I'll go see almost any movie where cars race. It's just, it's. It's a cinematic thing. Yeah. I mean, I was, I went through like a bunch of car racing movies last night and I was like, these are all solid. I was like, I got no notes, man. The Fast and the Furious. Cars doing cool shit. I was watching Grand Prix with James Garner last night. I was like, this rules. Like, I'm like, we can go back to the 60s if you want. So the history, LeMond, Bobby Deerfield, Days of Thunder. Driven was the only one that didn't work and that had Stallone and Bert Reynolds too late and Kip Hardu was terrible on it. Tal Daganites, Senna Documentary, Rush, a movie that I love that's on the rewatchable list, Ford and Ferrari, F1, all the fast movies. I was going to do this later. I'll do it now. I wish I liked real racing as much as I like racing movies. I know exactly what you mean. Like F1 does nothing for me. It seems fine. You go, you sit, they go by at crazy speeds. I've never cared about Indie 500. I've never cared about NASCAR. I've never cared about anything. But I love racing movies because they're basically awesomely edited races combined with like the behind the scenes stuff. And I think that's just where I've leaned. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what I want. What are some other things that you would only prefer to see rendered as movies? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't want to go deep underwater in the ocean. I would say cooking movies or another one like that. Cooking. Like cooking. I don't watch a cooking show. But whenever there's a part in that movie Chef where Favreau is making, is it a grilled cheese sandwich or something? He makes a grilled cheese sandwich for his son. But he makes something for Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. Oh, he makes her a pasta. Makes her a pasta. And just him whipping up the pasta and her watching him whip up the pasta. And you're like, God damn, I would like to be able to do that. That is incredible. But you wouldn't have watched that on Instagram for 30 minutes. I'm not going to watch it on Instagram. But it looks cool to watch somebody with a mastery of the kitchen like that. But like in actuality, I'm not trying to see it. This is what's great about the movies though. You watch at an F1 race and people love F1 and I like F1. I think I had like most people like my short lived a fair with Drive to Survive. Get up at six in the morning. I never did that because I'm already up early enough watching soccer. I can't have two global sports that make me wake up at weird times. But I will say that like take take color of money, right? Like if I was like, let's watch Billiards, you'd be like, I'm good. You know, like there's got to be. Vans like is that tall Asian lady playing? He's talking about Black Widow. Yeah. Yeah. Black Widow. Black Widow. Jeanette. Jeanette Lee playing. I think she got sick after a while. But if you watch Color of Money, you're like Billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing anyone possibly. How about Ping Pong with Marty Supreme? Of course. Ping Pong. That's another one. Okay. I have to. I do enjoy watching both of those sports. Yeah. Earl Strickland, Efron Reyes when I was into pool. What about darts? Darts, I've never. I like, there are sports I like to watch like, you know, Gastro Axes and Lumberjacks and all that. But Ping Pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it until it's actually on. So I will never go watch Ping Pong. You never seek it. But when I see Ping Pong or Tableton as them playing it, it is one of the most amazing things I feel like a human being can do to play the sport. Well, I wrote that and if I'm paying 30 bucks for a movie, I want the ability to feel. I want to feel things. This movie made you feel it's a human response movie. Yeah. That first crash, which when we do rewatchable scenes, first time you see it in the theater. The Monza crash? When JP crashes. It's like what you just can't believe it. And then it's so cool in the way they do it and the way it's shot. I mean, I love that in 2025, we're still getting better at stuff. And I think in this case, we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder, which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables, but it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras. Yeah. I mean, in some ways, like in terms of filming movement, I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott. Like in terms of filming like a piece of machinery going like Top Gun Maverick this. And it's like he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations. The last scene when he's flying basically, when Sonny's about to win the race, the first time seeing that in the theater, he kind of knew it was probably going to happen because he set it up in the monologue. But then when they do it and there's no soundtrack and it's just the sound and it's just Pitt's face and it's just also incredibly well done. A really easy scene to make corny. Yeah. If the background of that happening hasn't been established, if you're not in with Sonny's character all the way. And also if the movie is any less technically proficient. So you did the monologue. I'm going to do the bare pit face a couple of times. The coolest thing about that is also. All the other things on the side of his left. The cut to Bardem's face. Right. So it's like a really. Bardem had some good celebration acting in this. I always thought the chef and vision quest was my number one. There's been a lot of good crowd celebration guys over the years. But I thought Bardem was really, really good. I know who my favorite crowd guy is of all time. Put him in a body bag, Johnny. Yeah. That dude was on Johnny Dick. Yeah. Like he was into it, man. Like that's my favorite crowd guy in the movie. And it gots out from Rocky. Go get him, Rocky. He had some good ones. That'd be good montage. Like somebody just doing the 25 best sports movie celebrator crowd guy. Sports movie tropes. We did. You and I talked about this on my podcast. I did not listen to it. So if we over, over, we go back on some of the stuff we talked about. I apologize. But I did grab this from the notes for that. Sports movie tropes here. The best that never was. Sure. That was the, I think the most underrated 30 for 30 we ever did when I was there was the Marcus Dupree one. Excruciating. That is also where I met you. Was at the screening party for. Right. Marcus Dupree. And I remember John Hawk, the director of it, he found all this high school footage of Marcus Dupree that we weren't positive existed. I can't remember how I found it. And then to see that guy. And you do that. This guy was the best that that never was. And then you actually could see the footage of him. But anyway, this is a sports movie trope that it's kind of undefeated. They've used it for action movies in some ways too. Like Roadhouse, best cooler. You don't understand how good this guy was. Like we've seen this over the years, but it works best sports movies. So that's one old guy versus new guy. Never, never doesn't work. White and black, not getting along and then teaming up. Seen it. Come on, Van. Like white man can't jump. Like white man can't jump. That's the only thing they didn't do in this movie. He never looked at him and goes, you know what? You're a type. Just can never get to the pure. But dude, he did kind of get a little. He did. He eye with it. He did the participation trophy thing. But then you have dams to come back and what do you mean my type? Yeah. And white man can't jump. They just straight up say it. Yeah. Like black guys would whether look good and lose. White guys will whether look bad and win. And that's actually funny. This movie they like let's stay away from it. Time to tough. Um, the down try to team that's about to go under and desperately needs to spark. That always works. The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing. You know, what's upon time? My dad, when my dad died, he told me, blah, blah, blah. Like you need that one minute something. The big accident monkey wrench. You see that a million times. And then the climactic race, race fight game. Can I throw one new newer one in there? Me. Uh, this movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick a lot. Same director and kind of like a broadly like some of the same story. Cruise and pick the switch parts. Probably been fine. It's kind of money ball on steroids though. Because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and the whole puzzle movie. How do we put together the puzzle? But it's also like plan C is the whole like is basically Billy Bean. You know, it's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up. So we have to do all this other stuff to beat them in the action. And then it has that great speech about if I can get one tenth of a second better. And you can get one tenth. And you can get one tenth. That's five seconds. I'm like, yeah, that is a second. We'll save like 70 seconds. There's also one that you missed. They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie. Okay. The, this movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people and they're like, we really got to win. And he goes, I know one guy. I know. Yeah. I don't know if he'll do it. It's like that's, it's assumed that that happened, you know, but then you got to go get this guy out of retirement. Well, they do have the whole, how many guys did you call before you got to me? Like number nine? That's a good action one too. A sports movie trip, they do not have in this. And they actually have the reverse of it. And so much better is that the female, the lead female in this is not like the, you can't do it. You're going to die. It turns out she has the coolest job. She's not doing the Adrian. She has a cool job. Yeah. And she's a great character. And I think that's one of the reasons this movie is so rewatched, but I love the Carrie Condon scenes. I, I believe the character. I want her to get better. I believe that she's in on Brad Pitt. I want them to end up together at the end. It's just another hard one to pull off. She loves her. She's a little sparkplug Irish lady. You like that type of shit? But it's CR's will have. You like that type of shit? CR's are that big pint in the bar. And she's like, yes. If she was smoking in this movie, I probably would leave my life for her. She's got a big lung, Virginia slim. Yeah. Well, you they make the character like aspirational in other ways, because in some ways, I mean, she gives up the ass super quick. Just straight. I don't know about that. Well, it was a whole season. There's like three, four months. Races. Yeah. I mean, I mean, normally in the whops, I'm saying this sweet on Brad, though, normally in a movie like that, the virtue of the characters in that she doesn't give up. Yes. But then she gives up the ass. And then I mean, she straight up loving them. She's on the whole thing. She just kissed his shoulder. She really liked them. She really liked them. I think they kind of zoomed past the ending that I think she would have been a little more upset. He was just like, I'll see you later. I have some stuff about that. He was like, that that I'm not in love, but I'm going to Baja. Come back with you. Ring me when you get back, Tiger. No, what? You just out. Well, one thing I love about this, the casting, and she's really cute, obviously. But I think in the nineties, this just they just would have picked whoever the best looking actress is and made believe she was this. I really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car. I also believe that the two would end up together. I don't know. The great job, Brad Pitt. So I don't know where this is going to rank on the best sports movies of the 21st century so far. I may or may not have a list at some point. Not today. Oh, OK. Appreciate it. But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies, regardless of what your list is. Moneyball and F1. Double duty for this. I did when when you and I did our or maybe I did this with Wesley. I can't remember. I did it on my pod with somebody the four decades of Brad Pitt as a leading man in all the arcs where the six stages, basically up and coming handsome guy, leading man on training wheels, a lister, Brangelina Hay Day when he goes to another level of fame, Brangelina Swoon. And then in 2019 with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon. Yes. When we do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at Astra F1. He got $30 million for this movie. And I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously. This is now a 35 year career, CR. And yet I still feel like people would have crews above him. I even think people would have maybe Damon above him. Are you nuts? I think Leo would be. Matt Damon. Yeah, I think. I think about the biggest actors. Are you talking about like a box office draw? Do you think he gets enough credit? I guess is my question. I think that would be would people throw him out second after Cruz? No, I think Leo would go second. I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys, it seems like. He's had more misses. Yeah. And he takes more swings and he produces more stuff. And I think he also has kind of settled into now finally, like Paul Newman, in color of money era, like maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point, but is starting to embrace the idea of being like the like this is the twilight part of my career and the roles are really great because of that. What do you think, Van? I think that Brad Pitt carved out a Brad Pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries. He his career is really interesting. Like Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity, like the whole thing, the entire deal. Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies. He became the cool, like A plus actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do. He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies. He didn't do. He just decided that he lived his life in a Liza fair, Liza fair kind of way. And he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time that it was in front of him. And that's really it doesn't seem like he planned his career out. Yeah. The big difference between him and Cruise too, is that he never picked a character that he played for like more than a couple of movies. Right. So it so in that he never did his version of born or that stuff. Yeah. So in the way that Leo said, you know what, I'm going to get to a certain point and I'm going to work with these directors who are just unassailable in the quality of the film and the way that Tom went, I'm going to give you big budget genre, five, four quadrant type of movies. It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, OK, cool. And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work over the course of the whole career. Bang, let's make it. Let's do it. Like whatever it is, let's do it. So I was going to do this for how to stake later. I'll just do it now. I think that him just crossing paths with Angelina at the time he did was almost like an athlete like tearing an ACL and missing two seasons. I think that sent his career in a different direction. That Brangelina thing became so big. And so it kind of like swallowed up both of them. I think both of their careers, like the kind of movies that they made. I kind of can't. They did stuff together like he has this whole basically 15 years after Mr. and Mrs. Smith, where I'm not even really sure what happened. And I think part of it was all of a sudden he was with Angelina Jolie. They have five kids all of a sudden. They're making movies together that weren't really any good. And I do wonder what happens. Got really into politics. Yeah, I do wonder what and he got into producing and did some good stuff. But I feel like there was like three or four more moneyball type movies for him in there and he just didn't make them. It's like Cruz was working all the time. Yeah, it's hard to tell whether or not it's the movie industry, the changes or the actor, the changes. And maybe Brad Pitt was like the kinds of movies I'm I could lead. Like at a certain point he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy. You know what I mean? Like whether it's because he got older or because he didn't want to like be a beefcake, a list like movie star in that way. He wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff. So he made Benjamin Button and Gloria's Bastards and Moneyball basically. Middle of 2000s through 11. But then his 2012 to 18 killing them soft, me softly allied fury by the sea, World War Z and produced 12 years of slavery. I say in retrospect, couple of those movies are quite good, though. Yeah, I mean, if you if you if you look at it, like just for the movies that he's in World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a trouble production. And it was a huge hit. And it was a big, that's a big, huge movie. It's like a gigantic. How many times do you watch it? Probably like three or three. It's it's it's it's it's the zombies are really aggressive in it. It's not the easiest watch. I wasn't a fan. The outbreak starts in Philly. Yeah. Oh, he got it. But look, the big short, he's he's in that he's he's he's an interesting that's towards the end of the time that you're talking about, though. But he's in interest, interesting films here in Gloria's Bastards, Benjamin Button, these are interesting movies. He's having an interesting career. Brad reading, that's an interesting like choice for Brad Pitt at that time in his career. He has that same Redford quality of like you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably going to work. It's fun to hang out with them. Probably a minimum of like that. It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore. And this is, you know, he's playing a guy in his early 50s, but he's really in his early 60s. Yeah. He's doing. Got that. His shoulders. He's dead. Turned around at lunch. It's it's it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little wilderness period. So like the part that's right over. You guys know what I'm talking about. You know, you're in the league. You're averaging. You'd already made like a bunch of awesome movies. Yeah. And then like when you get down to 26, 25, 24, is that how they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen? Oh my God, look, they're taking a chance. How they navigate that is always interesting. Cruz just went into franchises. Yes. But he really struggled for a while too. Yeah. I think Damon's had the most interesting approach to it where he seems to make a combination of like big choices, smart, big things, and then like kind of weird, cool swings and just doesn't seem to care what hits him. What doesn't. Can we come back to this real quick? You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape or form? I think it's an interesting one because if you go, if you go to seven, I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades that probably have the longest tail, seven, Fight Club, Ocean's Eleven, Bastards, Money Ball, Once Upon a Time in F1, I think would be the seven. I'll hear that. So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven? I think if you're counting Odyssey next year, which we can't because we haven't seen it. Okay. But like that's just like for the sake of the, yeah, Martian. Born. Like he's, his seven versus Pitt seven is a pretty good battle. Yeah. And they probably made the same amount of money and the same amount of movies. They have similar things where it's like, they'll just be like, I'm getting behind Kenneth Lonegan or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic or whatever. Yeah. I think it's close. They pick their directors and they, what are you laughing at? It's absurd. You think no way. Matt Damon is just not on Brad Pitt's level. No, I think Matt Damon is. You think I'm being a Boston Homer? Of course. I think, I think Matt Damon is fantastic. Oscar winner. It's an Oscar. Matt Damon is fantastic. If you were to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out, I bet there's probably more people that if we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably, if you just pull seven movies, I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck. I bet you could in terms of Brad Pitt. If you just pull seven movies, but if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded just overall, how audiences respond to them. I think that Brad Pitt is in a different level than Matt Damon is. Forgot about Mr. Ripley. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who do you think is a better actor? I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range. Me too. I think. But, but it feels more like a movie star. It's tough. It's like, I also think like. It's interesting in Ocean's Eleven, Pitt has kind of the more outsized role than Matt Damon does. They're very similar. They have very similar things going on where like every once in a while, like they'll be like the supporting character in something. Like it's it's it's a really tough conversation. Hey, don't want to be argumentative. I just do not disagree. I just I just I like when we argue. I don't like when we agree. I just I think that if you look at Boston, it's at the at the full. I can't wait for you. Well, never mind the full range of the roles. Yeah, like from 12 monkeys all the way to cool leading man in F1. I don't know how we could say definitively. We could do that with with Damon. We could do like. I think you can argue through boring. Courage and fire. How about school ties? Yeah. How about school ties? Yeah, as we're talking about. OK, anti-Semite 1940s football player. Who's better? Tough, tough, tough, tough role in getting character for for a guy from Boston. He didn't he had no one to study fire. Like he had run into Matt Damon now. He's a fantastic performer. I'm just saying I think Brad's probably he's certainly a bigger movie star, in my opinion, but I also think that I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star, though. He wasn't until that happened that that that vaulted him into a Pustum, whereas Matt, on the other hand, got married. You'd never hear anything about him. He's married for like 20 years. He's like intentionally low profile. OK, so Brad was like, here I am. I am dating the hottest actress we have off the back of dating Jennifer Anderson. Yeah, I went right and with Paltrow and whoever. The only problem with this is also when we talk about Brad, his movies, we left out Mr. and Mrs. Smith. But the only problem with this is that they met on a film where they were together in that film and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big, gigantic action movie. How would Van Lea think it out of this one? Oh, you're dating Angelina and you doing a movie, the Angelina Jolie in 2004. That's actually where were you at? Call you in the trailer. Oh, I went to get an espresso. I didn't hear the phone. Poor thing. I still feel bad for Jennifer Anderson after that. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. Speaking of a sunny, sunny, sunny, sunny haze. Sunny haze. Great name. I made it and I wanted to move to to Danson. The athletes that captured the decade the best if we're going to make a list going back to the 70s. Athletes in movies. Movie athlete. OK. Nick Nolte in Northeaus 40. 70s. Grizzled football. China tells where football is going. 1980s Ivan Drago, Rocky Four. We'll do anything for an edge. Put more steroids in me. 1990s. It's either Rod Titwell or Willie Beaman. I'm not sure who. Maybe Willie Beaman, but you could also talk me into Rod Titwell. OK. Realistic, the most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie says something about the 90s in general. When you look back, it's like that's a very 90s character. But also with Tim Well, a very three dimensional character. Yeah, like a family man and all that. So my favorite sports movie character. Yeah. 2000s Tim Riggins, any given Sunday? Yeah. Fry antelites. Yeah. I'm sorry. I wrote that. I didn't give Tim Riggins from the TV show. Yeah. Well, in the movie. Yeah. In the movie. OK. Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie? Garrett Hedlin. Garrett Hedlin. Yeah. His dad. Yep. Tim McGraw comes up. Tim McGraw putting the thing. And then he comes up and puts the ring on his finger. Bro, that that that movie. I know you guys are obsessed with the television show. No, the movie is great. Yeah. That movie is the best half time speech ever given. Like that. That's a perfect. What? It was Pachino's pregame. Yeah. I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob saying forever is about to happen, like up against. And he looks at those boys and without even raising his voice goes, you know, my heart, I got goosebumps. Like my heart is full. I've done everything that I can. It's Pachino and Billy Bob in the finals. Yeah. When's is the miracle? I don't know when the last time you watched any given Sunday. I watch it. It's like it's kind of in the Pluto rotation right now. You're saying. Are you are you popping on Pluto? Do you have eyes for other free streaming services? I've been on Pluto. And the half time, the pregame is great. And the cutting the Fox. And he starts moving toward Pachino. Great stuff. I have rigged ends for here because movie and TV show. That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place. 2010s. Adonis Creed. 2020s. Josh Pierce and F1. I love how they do the social. I think his whole backstory with his his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet, how he approaches his public persona. It's the best I've seen in a movie this decade, I think, for where we are in the 2020s with social media. We'll just have to wait for the Pukinakua story. The fans try to close the deal at it right now. But this Josh Pierce character paper might have not worked and it worked really well. So why did it work? Super charming. Obviously, he's from like broke big with Snowfall, but. I don't know. He has. A limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to Pitt. There's clearly other stuff, I think, that they shot like a whole love interest with him that they left. Yeah, they cut it out completely. I didn't realize that. And the fact that you can still piece together who he is and he has to say things like I had to climb a mountain to get here and really sell it. That's his basically his exposition. And it really works. He's a really, really dynamic performer. Character works for the same reason that the movie works. Like the movie assumes that you know who he is. Which is why they could cut a lot of stuff out. The movie assumes that you realize that it's tough for a kid coming from where he's from to achieve an F1. The movie even assumes that you understand his talent because we never really see it. They basically just tell us over and over and over again that he could be a great driver. But we don't really get anything on screen to demonstrate that to us. But that character, that archetype of it's all right there in front of you but you're distracted by bullshit. Yeah. The movie assumes you know that character. It's kind of interesting. One of my favorite parts about this movie is that it's not like J.P. is Luke Skywalker and they're like, we just need the right mentor to get this kid. It's like he's pretty good. You know, F1 is really like a lot about the car, right? As my understanding is that the cars are kind of like. And it seems like the teamwork is important. And the teamwork is important. Being the leader. But it's like they only really bonds. Once then they backslide and then they bond one last time and J.P. sacrifices for him. But they do a great job with the the morning jog. Yeah, that's a routine. Continue to come back to that. And there's more and more people and then eventually J.P. is leading the jog. And it's like they don't bang you out of the head with it. That to me is why I say this is 80s and 90s movie making. That's because this is so good at this stuff. Yeah. It's because you usually just have that scene. You used to have that scene of somebody getting up in the morning stretching and they're doing it by themselves. And then all of a sudden somebody else is there and then also and you see it. Rather than somebody having to give a long speech about the importance of togetherness. Yeah. And then by the end of it, you get that there's something that happened between all of these people that brought them together. We'll have to be that's be belabored. Yeah, this movie is long, but I don't feel like it's long when I'm watching. Even like some of this stuff. Pictures like in his hotel room or whatever, flicking the cards. Kind of needs it. Like that. Like it has like a nice thread kind of paste to it. Talk about that later, flicking of cards. A lot of things I got to talk about. Five decades of brokheimer. I was glad you're bringing this up. How many rewatchables do you think we've done of Jerry brokheimer? Ten. What do you think, man? We've done more than 17 movies. This is before you got a brokheimer. Yeah. No, no, we've been for it for no, no, no, no, no. Overall. So I'm saying what 15, 20. Sixteenth. Wow. Yeah. So we've done gigolo. Thief. American Jiggalo. Thief. Cop one and two. Top Gun. Days of Thunder. Crimson Tide. Dangerous Minds. Bad Boys. Connair. Faceoff. Armageddon. Enemy of the State. Remember the Titans and Top Gun Maverick and F1. Fucking bangers. I feel like we should have a picture of him in the studio here. This is eighties, nineies, eighties. Five decades of him. Yeah. And his 2010s weren't great. He's basically doing the pirate sequels and Lone Ranger and then kind of gets his mojo back. The Lone Ranger. Yeah. So many people have gotten distracted, decided to become tech moguls. Yeah. Start political action committees, do whatever they're doing with them producers. This guy's just like, I do one thing and I do better than anyone else in the world. It is this movie is really a monument to producing from when you think about the amount of money that must have changed hands to make this movie, the amount of negotiating that must have had to happen with all the different countries they're shooting in, with the strikes happening, with COVID restrictions. And Jerry Brackheimer's got like fucking 15 new cameras inside of F1 cars. He's getting Apple to make him like these inch-sized cameras. I mean, it's just it's that's what movie producers are supposed to do. Yeah. I look at him. Take some fucking lessons, man. Yes, true. I look at him and I bet he calls movies pictures. And that's the kind of producers I like. I like when they say picture. We're working on a big picture here. Right. He's one of the last one of the guys that says, hey, I'm getting Brad Pitt and Kazinsky together. We're doing this racing picture. Like the guys that put shit together, get shit done. It's about putting guys together and letting them get their talents off on the screen. And you'll do anything for them. Because of like the preponderant, like the amount of visual effects and like the amount of stuff you can do inside of a computer now. And also just because of the last couple of years in the industry, when you watch movies now, you kind of like, I can see they tried to save money here, like for whatever reason, like in any movie. You didn't get this feeling once during F1. When you watch F1, you're like, how much this fucking movie costs? But Jesus Christ. But to be honest with you, though, if people out there are wondering what a good producer does, yeah, it's exactly what he's talking about. A movie that's well produced, you cannot see the seams. Yeah, that is what a well produced movie is. A well directed movie maintains the dramatic tension and the narrative from the beginning all the way to the end with every scene kind of adding to that. A well produced film, you can't see the seams. It's almost like he was like, let's spend more money. You know what I mean? And that's kind of cool. Like because you're like, you're getting it back in your movie ticket. Brokheimer's like, yo, Kaczynski, you're gonna have to shoot that final scene in Saudi Arabia. It looks like we got to put the sheiks in as we're hitting the trophy. But we get an extra $15 million to spend. I do it. Kaczynski's like, great. It's for the picture. It's for the picture. Great job by him. There's a couple we haven't done from him. We never did Flash Dance. We didn't do Black Hawk Down. Tarantino's favorite movie of the 21st century. Yeah. We didn't do Gone in 60 Seconds. Kind of. We didn't do Bad Boys 2, which we've discussed for like three years. Are you saving that? Yeah. I don't we just haven't done it yet. When you guys do Black Hawk Down, because I'm not going to be on that one. When you guys do Black Hawk Down, you're not going to be on it because of. No, it's not my type of deal. But when you do, I like it. We be on the IZ season one rewatch. I love that. OK. But you guys, it should be you guys. And then you should bring in somebody from Special Operator YouTube. This is one guy I watched. It's like the holla guy. He's a special operator. Do you guys follow what's going on in the special operator community? I actually probably do. Honestly, I'm surprised I don't know the guy you're referencing. So, Sierra and I spent a lot of time in the Providence reddit scene the last five days. I love some shit. I love listening to special operators talk about like what they need to be effective on a mission out. If you guys do it, bring in a special operator to talk about it. Bring in the holla. The F1 stuff in this movie, based on the 2023 Formula One season filmed in 23 and 24. There was a bidding war on late 2021 for the movie. It had Pitt, Bruckheimer, Kaczynski and Ethan Kruger. The guy wrote it. Lewis Hamilton was a pretty. Aaron Kruger. Aaron Kruger. He was an interesting writer. Yeah. It's an interesting collection though. My bad. Sorry Kruger. Apple won the thing for $130,000,000 to $140,000,000. Gave Pitt 30 of it. Pitt and Damsen did all the driving up to 180 miles an hour. And then they tapped out after that. See, Damsen had to part of getting the role with him. Yeah, he had to beat out. And unfortunately, this movie just happened. So there's really no great casting what-ifs for it. So I'm just going to say. There was apparently like a huge, huge bunch of people trying to get in for the JP role. Aaron Kruger did Arlington Road, Ranger Games, The Ring, three Transformers movies and Top Gun Maverick. Yes. It's a good career. It's worth noting that. I'm down on top of a whole bunch of other stuff. Is a, after the film, there is an additional literary contributions credit for Aaron Sorkin. Yeah, I saw that. Christopher Storer and. Uncredited. Jez Butterworth and Cara Smith. Cleaned up some dialogue. I think. That's where you want to get to in life as a screenwriter. They're like, here's 500 grand. Can you just read this script and send us like 10 notes? Clean up a little dialogue. Hey, I've talked about it before. I can't Arlington Road underrated. I like it too. Kaczynski broke through. He'd been around for a while, but broke through with Top Gun Maverick in 22. He understands me, CR. Yeah, he knows what you like. He understands what I want. Yeah. He understands what I want in movie. And he's done two of the only rewatchables ever that we've done in the same year the movie came out. We'll probably do another one when Miami Vice comes out. I mean, we'll be doing that from the theater. From. We just have to go out with a camera. He's the only person who's ever made a movie that we've done the rewatchables the week it came out. Right. Didn't we do Top Gun Maverick really soon after it came out? Yeah, because we both went nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Also directed one of the greatest commercials of all time. What's that? You guys remember the Gears of War commercial where it was. That R.E.M. song. What's the song? The song. No, tears for fear song. Oh, everybody wants the Rural World. No, it's Who Mates. I don't know who makes it. The song is called. We're just going to go through all these records. It's obviously a commercial that stayed with you. No, it's called Mad World. Mad World. Yeah, Mad World. Shut the fuck up. It's called Mad World. The Gears of War commercial. Yeah, he did that like Mad World. Yeah, but I think like this is a really important movie for him because it's the now he is to me the big budget action guy. Yeah. Well, 200 million dollar budget at least made over 600 million so far. It's at like 630 as we record this. So I think he's got a car watch now. It's also like going to be the now flagship movie of Apple for five years, probably. Well, that's the other thing. And we could have put this in. Every time you turn on Apple TV, the first thing you see is. Still there. I went to go find it to rewatch it this week and there it was just staring at me. I don't know what category that fits in for the rewatchables, but it gave Apple movie credibility that it just didn't have. It was a big bet. They were kind of they felt like they were just stupid money. People taking advantage of them in some ways. And then this movie changed the calculus of it and then ended up with them getting F1 recently. The actual sport that is going to now be an Apple. So before this, Apple had put out. The Ridley Scott one, Napoleon. Yes, I think that movie was when you go and watch that film. First of all, it is Ridley Scott is obviously fantastic, but the movie itself is just a mess. It doesn't. It seems like it's something that's overall it's overspent. It's the entire deal. It doesn't seem like there was actually real craft in the filmmaking there. It's precisely the type of movie that some that Apple would not want to make. Yeah, it looks like a film made by like a big streamer with no constraints on anything. And they had a few of those. And this movie looks like the opposite. It looks like a movie that even though they spent a ton of money, that everything was done with such care and such craft that it solidifies them as people who know how to make the films. Also, I think we've seen some success this year with we'll release the movie in the theaters for a few weeks and then it will be on our service and we're going to win two ways. Because we saw one battle. We saw it with centers, saw this movie, we saw weapons. This formula that people thought, well, that doesn't make sense. Why am I going to go see the theater if it's also going to be available for free? Yeah, it wasn't. So this was this was eighth worldwide in 2025. It was as big as Superman Van. Yeah. Take that fucking Superman loser. Interesting development, though. Yeah, have some of that. It was Pitt's biggest film ever. Worldwide, at least. It surpassed Cars 2 as the highest grossing sports film worldwide. Has Cars 2 a sports movie? Is that animated? I think it's a memo. Isn't it animated? Yeah. I mean, that was my research. Cars 2 was the biggest sports movie. It's like what I don't know what the actual biggest one is. I forgot to mention Soundtrack by Hans fucking Zimmer. And the Hansettes. Coming at John Williams now. Has John Williams in his sights? Roger Ebert did not review this movie because he's been dead for like 10 years. Do you think you would have liked it? So I looked up some of his racing reviews. He gave Rush 4 stars. Days of Thunder 2. Top Gun 2 and a half. I didn't do the chat GBT to find out what he would have thought. I was being asked. I was being asked. If a bang gets uncomfortable, you got uncomfortable last time. No, I didn't. No, I do. I use chat GBT all the time. Look at this. All right. Dog population, estimate in the world, college football scandals. Explain to me, sovereign AI. What is a hostile takeover? All kinds of violent history of the KKK. This is what I asked. You could just Google that though. But chat GBT does it better. It talks to me. I think Roger would have given this three stars too long. Racing scene is incredible. I said three stars as well. And I think he would have paid special tribute to Carrie Condon and how she was a well-developed female character. The floor is three stars because the movie making is so great. I know. Yeah. All right, we take a break. Then we're going to do most rewatchable scene. This episode is brought to you by Subaru. For Subaru, the holiday season is a time to give back. That's why during the 2025 Subaru Share the Love event from November 20th to January 2nd, Subaru and its retailers will donate at least $300 to charities nationwide. For every new car sold or leased, they've supported over 2,700 local causes. And by year's end, donations will reach $350 million. Learn more at Subaru.com slash share. All right, guys, I have a few here. I'm going to try to zip through them. All right. Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene, Sonny in a trailer. Is this Cliff Booth? Is he back? It's just such a great character introduction. Da na na na na na na na na na na na na. The Led Zepp just coming in. They're like, not only are we spent a lot of money in this movie, we got fucking Led Zepp on. Dude, when you see this shit in IMAX, and a whole lot of love starts, and then he dunks his face in an ice bath, and then he's like 24 hours in Daytona, Shay Wiggum, let's fucking go. And another thing like you ready to go, hey, he's sleeping and then the person says five minutes until you have to get into one of those death machines and race around. You just right away know so much about the character. And then he gets out of the car and he goes, lose that lead, lose that lead, no, kill ya. Mm-hmm. Puts a bunch of zins in. Yeah. Spend your whole life starting over, Sonny. Anyway, next one. Sonny shows up. Does the I Can Get Within One Second of JP Challenge. Flips the car at the end, but he made it. Enjoyable. Sizing each other up. Some good sizing. Some good sizing in this movie. Didn't super understand that. Like it seemed like he had like one good sector, but stalled once and then crashed. That's our guy. He's 52 and he crashed. I was really like when, when they're when they're like, is he auditioning? He's like, no, he's auditioning us. That is a true. Yeah. I have Sonny and Kate having a beer. Right into the Rocky Four training montage. Training montage is great. It's like JP's doing the new school version, but there's there's our guy Sonny old school. Just don't pull up. We never we don't talk about that trope. The old school, new school training montage. Old school, new school training. Stallone invented that shit. They'd invented it. Yeah. I can't. I got to say, CR has been in my life for so long that when the two beer scene, for some reason, I just think of CR immediately as I'm watching it. I'm like, CR would have loved this watching this girl with a big pint. Yeah. And if she pulled out a cigarette, like you said earlier, I think it would have been all over. Good. We don't get a lot of pint scenes anymore. It's also a very idyllic pub on a canal. Like it's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. They look great. Yeah, they look awesome. I mean, neither of them is really drinking the beer. No, yes. I wonder if that was just that much. I wonder if that was a F one thing, because the only person who's really drinking alcohol in this movie is Tobias Menzies. And everybody else is kind of having not an A beers. Yeah, you know, we're this deep into the pod. We haven't really talked about this movie as a function. Of F one propaganda, one propaganda, commercial stuff. I mean, every single driver's in it. I didn't want to I didn't want to spend too much time on that because there was so much written and discussed about it when the movie came up. But it is. We probably should. You know what you're talking about. We should have commercial for F one. Yeah. I mean, Lewis Hamilton's in the end. Nobody's a villain. But Lewis Hamilton is part of the filmmaking. Yeah. And no, there's no nothing like Ferrari's, the bad guys or Red Bull or the bad guys. There are no bad guys. Although I will say, interestingly enough, I'm sure we're going to get to this at some point. The F one community. Kind of mixed on this movie. Yeah. Surprisingly drivers even were just like, eh, I wonder if it was like they have to be like Carlos Sainz has to get passed. You know what I mean? Like Max gets passed by these dudes. Like I'm interested because I saw that in the research, too. I'm interested in what they would have wanted. Yeah, but that's the thing. Like if somebody it's like when they made that romcom about the place that seemed like Grantland, you fucking guys, does that sound like that? We wouldn't have my office wouldn't be that nice. What is this movie? It is a Glenn Powell movie. Right. It was the Glenn Powell movie with Zoe D'Age. They were working and they admitted it was like based on like a Grantland type of place and it was like so much nicer than Grantland in the office. We just had like we worked on cram together. Yeah. So. Oh, I forgot in the beer thing. This was another like mini-trip. They're saying Sonny is and it has been. He's never was like I've heard that line before. I don't know. There's some lines where it's like, God, this definitely got pulled out. Yeah. Next scene, Sonny exploits the rules by causing minor crashes. Plants to get JP in the top 10. I'm just going to do this as a nitpick. Now can you do this? There I don't think so to the extent that it's probably why the F1 people didn't like this. Well, I think when you read like like I was reading reviews of the movie in F1 and auto racing magazines and they were like, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. No one would ever do this. You couldn't do that. So I think if you're a general fan of like if you're obviously a movie going fan, but if you are like I am broadly aware of F1, but don't understand the minutiae of it, you love this movie. And if you do understand all the details of F1, you're probably like, well, that's bullshit. So I always think what would I have if I was a banker? Yeah. And I was watching the Big Short because the Big Short is the only other movie that I can compare to this film that has to do work in order for the narrative to be understood. Yeah. Has to do work in educating the audience as you're watching the movie. And obviously it's fable. They did it in a very ingenious way. But in this movie, if not for that part that probably doesn't happen, I would really not know what was going on. There's like a couple of different parts in the film where some of the stuff that they use in story explains to me. That's a really good example because Big Short has all those direct-to-camera moments with like Sena Gomez and Anthony Bordain. But then also like in margin call, there will be times in margin call where a character will be like explain this to me like I'm 10. And it's like, well, you probably understand a little bit more of a sophisticated version of this. But, you know, if you want Jeremy Irons to say that, you can have it. And you that way the audience understands how the housing crisis starts. I was trying to think of the sports that we watch all the time. What would be the example of him causing the minor crashes, but it's somehow being legal. Being football, if you're like, there's 30 seconds left, the other teams on there 20, and you just did passenger ference every time to chew the clock up, like five yards right after the line of the scrimmage. And it just chews up five seconds. And then the other teams at the 45 with no time left, which I've seen teams try to do. And if that was an even more blatant version of that strategy, that's kind of like a little hack a shack. Yeah, a little hack a shack. Hack a shack is a good example. Yeah. Um, JP crashes in the rain. This is an incredible sports movie scene. The Monza, the whole Monza race is amazing. Every piece of this is great. The combat chant right into the sunny is putting it together montage. I say something about the crash real quick. It's like, yeah. Another reason why that crash is great. It's because in the movie, you don't know if he's going to die. It's very unexpected. Yeah. It's, it's, you think he's going to win the race. You're just like, oh, he's going to pass this guy. He crashes. Yeah, I could see them killing him. Yeah. Like it's a Brad Pitt deal. He's there. I could see the character dying. It's not like when you were in a Marvel film or some of these other big budget IP movies, these people are signed up for nobody's going to die. The there's a danger to this film because you don't know what's going to happen. I could see them killing him. I thought maybe he was dead. The combat chant, Sonny putting it together, montage, really good music. The poker game, I have some thoughts on the poker game later, but it's an enjoyable scene. The first time through, yeah. Carries wearing the strapless. On a rewatch. You're going to be completely candid. There is like an hour and a half version of this movie that's just the races. That is just like, yeah, all I want to watch in my life. Well, they need this though to set up the hook up with her. Yeah. But I just like when anybody plays cards in a movie, the balcony scene, the Brad Pitt face, I was going to be world champion. Best there ever was. And then it was all taken away. Chasing that moment every time I get in the car. I don't know when I'll find it again, but man, I want to. So that moment I'm flying. Pretty good. Yeah, they ask yourself, you like that. She's just looking. They got the balcony with Vegas. Great scene. I like when they don't want them to race. It says, if it's the last thing I do is drive that car, I will take that life. This is after Vegas when you crash. Yeah, after Vegas. I had a question though. Why not when they're trying to decide whether Sonny should race or not? Why not have a Javier Bardem do a coin toss? All of a sudden his hair is parted forward. And he's just like, call it, call it, Sonny. Then the final sprint. And then them winning in a champagne spray celebration. That seems really fun. Did the right guy crash? Let's just do this now. Oh, this is my hottest take. Well, let's hear it. Let's go. Just do it now. My is a better movie if Sonny crashes. My Luke Wilson hottest take is basically Sonny, Sonny winning Abu Dhabi, much like Maverick, where Maverick has to be the one who saves everybody's asses. Is probably good for this movie. But bad for the movie industry. And it is kind of like a metaphor for like baby boomers staying in their houses. Like we got to get you guys out of the pain. And it's not good for the movie industry if we don't build more Brad Pitt's and more Tom Cruises. And if these guys keep making movies like this where they're like, no, no, no, I win. I'm the champion. But thank you for your assistance. It's bad for them. It's bad for the movie industry. So I like it in the movie. We talked about this crash at the end. I remember we talked about this when we did the thing on my part. Because that was the one thing I had walking out of the theater where I was like, huh, the better movie is if Dampson wins. Yes. Well, it's and Sonny puts him forward and pays it forward and the team wins. But they have Sonny win and it's just and then it's like, you'll win more later. You're going to win 10 of these. It's like, Willie, I don't know. So the best version of this to me that's ever been done in this old dog, new dog thing is in color of money. Yeah. We're at the end. What's this of Newman wins? But you don't he doesn't know that he actually didn't win, that he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually Vince won. So you walk away, you kind of get the best of both worlds. Now you get Eddie Filson, like renewed and all of that. And you get the actual character walking away, smiling, the young guy smiling. In this movie, though, I'm going to keep it all the way real with you. I didn't go to the movie to watch Dampson. OK, so here's the flip. I would say you you you what you what you are saying is true. But like by the time we built it up to him because they didn't do enough for Dampson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory. If his mom would have needed, if we knew more about all of this stuff, I completely agree. But like they didn't do it. So I thought this was the second time to win the race. First time I was shocked that he didn't win. Second time, Pitt winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie. But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie. Like the movie that probably did the hand over the best is Creed. And it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote unquote character, even though it's like a legacy. I was going to say any given Sunday, because Cap gets hurt right before half time. Sure. Yeah, but we make the Dennis Quaid face. Like once again, in that movie, there's no stakes in Willie Beaman taking over Cap. We barely get to know Cap. We're doing it. But it would be kind of cool if if like to redo. Sonny crashes in Vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore. Like Ruben won't let him race. So he becomes the guy on the the guy in the ear. You know, Kate. And nobody wants that. I know. But I'm just saying, like it's bad for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into like superstars. I don't disagree. Like you wonder if an F2, if JP gets to win or if they even they could literally not bring JP back for F2. Fuck. I mean, F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja. And I go, yeah. Would you see that? Yeah, I probably go watch it. I brought Sonny Bunch and Baja. Yeah. Let Taylor Sheridan write it. The cartels coming after him. OK, so that was my hottest tape, but we put it in for Abu Dhabi. You know, when you get old in life, things get taken away from you. It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff. Find out that life is just a game of inches. Are you just doing it? Give it a what's what's happening? I'm just getting you guys ready for 2026 and you get Sunday. And this team, we fight for that. I was like, did Sonny say that? Yeah, I was. I was that probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race as he gives up a chicken like any given Sunday speech to JP. My what's your most rewatchable scene? Monza, it's fucking awesome. The virtual safety car, the rain coming in, Sonny cuts off. I think when the guy whips the fire thing to him, so he's closer. And then the good little details. The slingshot move in the rain spray is awesome. So Monza, I also really like the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start. Like it's like the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, what's he doing? Yeah, what's he doing? He's playing us. Yeah, if not for him, flying is definitely Monza for me. But the flying part, which is really cool. That's my answer. So there's only one other scene that I love the ending of this movie. I love any scene in a movie where two old friends see each other. But at first they pretend like they don't know each other. Yeah. And then that's the CR and the diner. Yeah, you old son of a bitch. Come here, you son of a bitch. Come here, you son of a bitch. You old fucking son. It's good to see you. Like I love any scene like that. We should start doing that every time we see each other. That's when I come find CR in London in 25 years. I'm having a beer with Cary Condon. Yeah. And you got to go, we got to pod one more time. He got a new podcast idea. It's a rewatchable Zavaz. I need you. What's the most 2025 thing about this movie? Well, this just happened. But I'll give you a drive to survive reference. The F1 having a major race in Las Vegas could only have happened in the last two years. And then JP watching Sonny's 1993 accident on YouTube. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty. Yeah, like it's a really rooted in the 2020s. Making a movie like this about F1 at this particular point. F1 has taken over F1 being internationally beloved. Yeah, I've been festive. See, I want to know how you how you feel about this. So to me, F1 is the new soccer. In that it's a sport and nobody actually watches it. That you have to act like you care about if you are a cosmopolitan. You're talking from an American standpoint. Yeah, if you're a cosmopolitan sports fan, like us regular sports fans that get into baseball, playoff, baseball, football and basketball, maybe a little tennis, maybe a little golf when there's a dominant person. Then you're pretending to know something about the World Cup. Right. But like if you're going to. The Croatian could be the England. Like I heard that. By the way, just like last year, there was friends of mine that were going, yeah, I'm going, I got to go support my fucking driving team. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You're driving team. What I will say, they're under 30s. There were there were I get that jumped right in. But that's a part of it. Like now everybody has that's pretty well. Everybody I'm not saying it's a bad thing to make shuster. I'm just saying everybody now has to have like a soccer team. You know, everybody has to have a soccer team. And it's like, if you're your true sports fan, if you're into soccer, if you're into the WNBA, you're a true sports fan. Like, yeah, that's kind of being a constant. Before the WNBA went on a three year strike. The WNBA cooking right now. It's like fun to watch. I hope it's cooking. I can't wait to order these games next year. Have you seen Audi Crooks? Where did you talk to him? She plays for Iowa State. Iowa State. Have I seen Audi Crooks? All right. Just making sure you're supporting the league, Bill, because they need you. I'm supporting. If you don't, because you've been in the past. I was texting with Chenay yesterday about it. I was. I was because she's going to come on the pod soon because we really have to figure out this WNBA strike before it becomes a strike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not a good situation. Do people with F1, do they more cheer for drivers or teams? I think it's drivers, right? Like the people I know that are into it. Now likes like, I think it's like basketball where some people have teams and other drivers, so if the driver switches team, it's like LeBron. Oh, LeBron's on the calves again. I'm rooting for him for the calves. Let me ask you this. Michael Schumacher was F1, right? Sure. Yes. Because in the 90s, he was everywhere, right? You see, you see. Those guys also moved around like they did Indy. They did Indy cars. They would they would race F1 and also race other. Did he have a few of the cold trickle? Schumacher, no, it was him and Senna. We're racing. Going back and forth. What stage is the best? Brad Pitt living in a trailer. I'm just in every time. Yeah. At this point. I don't know if anyone's ever lived in a trailer better than him in a movie. It would be funny if he was playing like FDR, but he was living in a trailer. Back on White House. They should just release a movie called Brad Pitt's Living in the Trailer. Yeah, that's just the movie. Brad Pitt's buddy's FDR. Open, open, he can go as good looking as he is. He does slovenly. He really will. He does like this. You're that fucking high. You can just do it every boy. Who's your favorite bad Pitt character ever? Is it Moneyball guy? No. Tyler. My favorite is probably either Truro Manz or or Fight Club. Yeah, my name is Floyd and Truro Manz. Hands down. He's one of my favorite characters of all time. He's coming back just to. And then Burn After Reader would be like a an honorable mention. What's age the best? I like movies with just a great, expensive soundtrack. Yeah, that they're just like, we're going to have Queen and Led Zeppelin and some other shit on this and we money was not. They also just did a full album of new music for this for this record. But yeah, I have a bunch. What do you have? I'm just a fucking Irish guy who loves Carrie Condon. Yeah, I got I got Carrie Condon. Well, I love it when she goes, what's wrong with the car? The guy is sitting in it. And her shoes. And we also we got to bring. We got to start saying box box. Like next time I have to pee, I'm going to be like box box. I'm going to walk off set like with like the F1 pit call when like they're like, I have to bring the car into the road and like box box box. Did you notice that? I did. OK. I was thinking about should they have added a scene when because we never see Damson's dad if if if JP's dad and they're like, what happened to him and Carrie Condon was like careful. I gave him a taste. She took to her right away. Took to her right away. You did chemical way. It was I told Sierra I was on the other day I watched the entire movie. I just seen it like a couple of months ago. I'm going to be real. If it's on, I just hop in. I watch a lot of villains. Say a lot of evil shit. The flower guy. And like I got your mother fucking saying that to him is the most evil shit. And then your dad let you think she just ran away. He's just walking on as he's doing the fucking flower. Why are you putting your fucking flyers out there? Like that's one of the most evil villain monologues that I've ever seen. That's that was an evil mother fucking spirit animal. What else? You're just like our introduction to Sonny as a guy who's like listening to Led Zeppelin doing his clothes at the laundromat. Yeah. Listen to the radio. I just think it's like a great character. Be where you're like, this is a dude that's out of step with modern times. We have the technical stuff. Had that as well. Like the in race, scoreboard, graphic helpers, all of the tech, the analysis, technical stuff, how beautiful this movie almost looks like it could be. It takes place in the present time, but like this movie looks like it could be like a near future is filled with how much stuff is going on. It's also crazy how much you kind of like I never really truly understand what the fuck is happening. But like by the end of the movie, you're like, oh, my God, he's going to undercut him. You know, I didn't know what that was before I watched this movie. And as a commercial, this might be the single most and maybe you guys can think of one that's better. This might be the single most effective movie commercial, maybe other than the wizard, like when you were a kid and you were watching the wizard, you wanted to play Mario three like crazy when the wizard came out. But this knowing that that world exists, like these incredibly rich, beautiful people watching people drive these, that looks like an intoxicating world to be a part of. It made me sort of almost halfway, half a 1% interest in F1. And I've never watched. Yeah. The outdoor luxury box situation they have with the evil villain guy entertaining his guests. That seems pretty fun. Yeah. Who wants some caviar guys as we watch guys raise. It seems like 80% of F1 audiences are in executive suites somehow. I had the same thing with the scoreboard graphic helpers. That's how we always know where we are on the race. I just think we've seen so many sports movies where they fuck that up. You don't know what the score is or they have announcers and here comes sunny, sunny Hayes. We didn't expect to see him and they just screwed up. I have a asking diner waitresses for advice. Oh, is it when? What do you think they're Louise? Yeah. Well, how much are we talking? Yeah. It's not about the money. They just diner waitresses are just undefeated. They feel a lot. They've been through a lot. It's really funny. They've seen a lot. They're like bartenders, but they've seen even more. Brad Pitt got $30 million. Do this movie is like it's not about the money. The morning jogs we mentioned. The old school opening credit sequence. Awesome. We don't do opening credits anymore, Van. Brought me back to the nineties. And then my last one, there's another sports movie trope of many one. The in this case, the jumpy pit crew member. Yeah, Jody, where you're like, oh, she's going to be redeemed. Yeah, she's going to come through. We're going to have a change over one point. She'll ever sit together. I always enjoyed those. OK, big Cooner burger where best used food and drink the beers. The beer day. Yeah, I find it's easy one. Honor will mention to Bart Emmond, Pitt's diner scene. That's a good two. Yeah. Great shot, Gordo. J.P.'s car crash in slow mo. Yeah. That's a clear winner, but I was trying to think there's so many awesome shots in the movie. That's a clear winner. You know what just like gets my fucking heart going is is just the shot of Sonny taking checkered flag and the fucking fireworks going off. It's like, yeah. Yeah, great use of fireworks in this movie. Kid Cuddy Presid happens to wear best needle trap. It's clearly a whole lot of love. Led Zepp. But I do like the Chris Stapleton song that plays over the practice race that when when when Sonny first gets to the team. Chess Rockwell, Brock Laners, best character named Sonny Hayes. What do you have? The British media, the sports reporter, Don Cavendish. Sonny, Sonny, you're a gambler. That could have been that should be a new category for 26. What part could CR have played? That would have been easy. Could have been Don Cavendish. Yeah. Cavendish comes up. Oh, you have a flex category. What do you got? Oh, when would I have died? Now, most people would probably say when they were driving, I think I would die cleaning gravel off of the track. I think I would be like busy listening to something and then like getting distracted and get into like going out by Louis Hamilton. Final destination. Yes. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I have a glaring one, but what do you have? I have you go. No, you go. But it was hard for me to like find one, but it was probably his manager. Punch it in. Yeah. It's it's it's the guy. Samson K.O. is good in it. Yeah. But it is a nothing part. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. Yes. He's a bad guy, a good guy. And he even at the end when JP decides not to do it, they didn't they haven't committed enough to the character. He's just like daps him up. Yeah, cool. We're not going to do social media anymore. Right. I now I don't have a job. He's just firing me, but that's great. I mean, they probably cousins or something like that. Yeah, they are. Yeah, but it does exist though. It's like the Anthony Edwards is buddy. I know. It is commercial. But you need to me you got to commit to that character a little bit. Give that character something. Make him a little sinister. Yeah. He has to be like, I want to go to these parties for myself. You come to get me in kind of. I'm trying to get laid either funnier or more serious or something. Sunny is way too fucking old to be an F1 driver. That's picking nits though. Now, this is the weak link in the film. I looked it up. The oldest formula one driver ever to win a Grand Prix was Luigi Fagioli. He's 53 years old. That was in 1951 at the French Grand Prix. Louis Hamilton is the oldest 21st century driver to win a race. He was 39 years old in 2004. Sunny crashed in 93. So he's either 19 or 20 when he crashes. So that makes him 51, 52 or 53 in this film. This would be like, like fucking Jack Nicholas winning the 86 Masters multiplied by seven. It's impossible. Right. There are no 50 year old F1 drivers. It's also like how many old F1 drivers have also had major spinal surgery. C5. And never were really in an F1 before. Yeah. All of this is improbable, but I love it. And it's that's why I want to put in the picks. Was there better title for this movie in 2023? He is being reported that the film was titled Apex. Terrible title. Terrible title for a movie that I don't like the title F1. I don't think it's a good title. I think it's too confusing with the actual property. And I think they should have come up with a better one. Whether they call it Sunny Hayes, Apex, F1, it's like you Google it and F1 comes up. I think also F1 calling it that made it seem more explicitly like an advertisement for the for the for the racing. So it almost like is like a little like a flying. No, but that's the thing is like, what are you going to call it? But you know, if you're trying, if you're trying to, I don't like the Apex name. If you're if you're trying to do a commercial for F1, like I said, the movie, it lives inside this, the fact that it's straightforward and vapid. All right, counter. If this was a movie about an NBA player and they just called it NBA, that'd be weird. It wouldn't make any sense because the sports are well established. You guys going to see NBA? No, man, I'm going to see Atlanta Hawks. It's got the independent version of it. It's a bad title. What stage the worst? So we don't know because this movie only came out six months ago. I got one. What do you got? A real one. So. Lewis Hamilton's beloved dog Roscoe was in this film. Oh, and yeah, now he's dead. Roscoe has passed away. It was very tough for Lewis Hamilton. He talked a lot about it. And when I saw Rod, when I went to go see the movie at first, Roscoe was still alive and well. It was cool. He meant a lot to F1. He was kind of an F1 mascot. Yeah. When you see him now, you think about how much that much stuff was Hamilton. Yeah. I had this as more than an epic. So I put it here. This movie ends three times. And I think you can make a case. You just stick with the first ending. Which would be what? Yeah. What was it? He wins the race. He's walking off. It could end there. He's got to say goodbye to Kerry Condon. So you have that moment. It could end there. Then he's got to say goodbye one more time to JP. Easily could end there. And now we're going to Baja. Yeah, Baja. Baja was too much. Baja was sick. What the fuck? Baja was fine, but just make that a deleted scene. It was like they liked how they shot it. Or post-credited it. Like Baja was too much. Right. And the movie maybe make that just post credits completely. But there's no way that should have been the ending. You could have just ended this with him spraying the champagne. I think you're right. But it is like this is a guy who does what he says he's going to do. And it's not about the money. It's about the driving. You know, so you have to have that hammered home one more time when he gets when he gets to Baja, when he gets to Mexico. All right. I find it hard to believe this guy's like my F1 career is now over. The only one my one race. Age the worst. I mean, this is also a nitpick, but we kind of mentioned this. I think there should have been more scenes of F1 drivers interacting with these guys and or commenting on the fictional reality of the movie. Well, even that one scene with the talk show. Yes. With the guy with the guy ran apex with the two real guys. Yeah. Zach Brown and yeah. Ruffalo Hannah Ribnick Partridge overacting award. I would probably say your English reporter guy. He's down. What is that guy? He's like a cocaine. Yeah. Treating people like shit, asking crazy questions. Yeah. It's paid out. You got a flex category there. I do. I got another top five. This is the top five scenes of old guys schooling young guys in movies. Five to one. Number five, Joe Clark to Sam's and lean on me. Yeah. On the roof. Yeah. Why don't you just jump? It kills your brain cells, son. It kills your brain cells. Sam's looking at overtaken by the fact that he's actually on crack. And Joe Clark is trying to save his life. I don't think you're allowed to do that in schools anymore. Probably not. To think that you're going to put somebody off the roof. But it got them. They'll just continue to investigate. Right. Like Joe Clark. Uh, number four, Rocky beats up Tommy Gunn. Yeah. I can't believe how much we've talked about this. I'm sorry, bro. Rocky putting them hands on Tommy Gunn. Tommy was asking for it. Tommy was asking for it. Okay. That's very meaningful to me. Come into the bar and start talking shit. Number three, Shep outdulling Kyle Watson in the one on one game and above the rim. Yep. 15 straight 14 footers. And then at the end, you hear that? You hear that? You talking to his friend? He says, I'm cool. It's good. Number two, that's where they probably would have put him in a straight jacket. When he's talking to his buddy. You hear that nuts out? That's how. Nuts out. You hear that nuts out? He liked nuts out more than anyone's ever liked one of their friends. Like, did you ever have a friend you cared about more than nuts out? I have a couple of them, but no friends that I would play basketball on the roof with with no fence. Right. And then the way nuts out died is fucking absurd. It's the best. Okay. That movie's a lead. Number two is split. One, Yoda school in Luke. Yeah. When Luke cannot raise the. That's waiting for the lie. Yeah. In Digglebar out of the thing. And then Luke's dad also got school. Yeah. Kenobi stood there and he said, Anakin, don't try it. Don't try to jump. And Anakin went, you're under, as they made my power, he jumped and Kenobi cut his fucking spoiler. Jesus. Like, come on. Kenobi, you're talking about the prequels. I'm talking about in, in Revenge of the Sith. It's just a one of my all time favorite. You got too much dip on your chip moments. And it's like, I'm the chosen one. I could jump. So that was two Star Wars as number one. As number, no, no, as number two. Number one is very clear. This is the best. And I hate to give you this props. The best old guy, schooling young guy scene ever to me is Robin Williams to Matt Damon on the bench in Goodwill. Just watched it with Ben Simmons. Did you really? Ben Simmons and I watched Goodwill Hunting and Shawshank Redemption back to back. Two nights ago. Did Ben like F1? Y'all loved it. Yeah. That's some hardcore bonding right there. Goodwill Hunting was great. I sit down there and he's telling him the whole thing. He just cuts Will down and you looked at a painting for five seconds and you cut apart my fucking life. You ever been on a plane before? Like the whole nine just takes his whole shit apart because Will is a genius. But Robin Williams is experienced. You're move chief. You're move chief. Yep. It's a great one. I will say watching Shawshank with Ben was one of my highlights of 2025. If he had no idea what was going to happen. Really? And he was like, is he going to then Andy gets the rope? He's going back to his son. He's like, he's going to hang himself. Like what the fuck? And then the next day they were like, he doesn't come out for the cell and he's gone and Ben was just like, he lost his mind like four times. Forget how great that movie is. How does take? Sierra already gave his. Did you have one? Yeah. I don't like anybody in real life or in movies that throws cards for fun. It's also what have you ever in your life seen somebody do that? It's like, think about what kind of obsessive bastard you have to be to throw all of them cards for fun. I don't trust you at all. I think that number one, you got to go clean up all the cards and you got to do it again. Crazy alone time you got to spend. Number two is kind of violent. You throwing cards. I feel like what you really want to be thrown is like Ninja Stars. Shit like that. That can like switch blade fireworks. Like you want to throw something at somebody. I just never trusted anyone. It's like that's like two into cars and using cars as tricks and throwing cars is one guy in the history of throwing cars. That was cool. One dude gambit X-Men charge a car, connectly throw it. I was going to say that. Yeah. You're really pushing Bill with the revenge of the Sith and gambit from X-Men. You got to know it's a useless skill. Just throwing cars sitting around there. They always make it as a cool movie thing too. You just tossing cards. I've never liked people that done that before. My hottest take was that I like racing movies 10 times more than actual racing. Yes. Let's take a break and then we'll do some casting what ifs. Casting what ifs. You mentioned Dampson Idris was hired after passing the F1 driving test. We don't know who the other actors he beat out were, but we'll find out in about 12 years as the internet starts making up names of people that were around the same age. Simone Ashley, we do know that she did promotional tour interviews is in the movie as his love interest and then just got cut out. I'm a suck. Yes. Can you imagine? Cause you're probably like, I'm in, I'm going to be in one of the biggest movies of the year and I'm like a big part and they're just like, I just didn't work. Well, then you go to the movie. I went to F1 and I thought, where were you? But you go to the movie and you're like, oh, so we need another jogging scene. Yeah. Thanks, motherfuckers. Pitt was supposed to be in the original Ford versus Friar with Tom Cruise and it was called go like how with Kaczynski to direct him, but it fell apart. Yep. And then it worked together in this. Best that guy award. I mean, there's a few. What do you, what'd you have for this? I have Kim Badaia from the dude from Killing Eve is Casper, the, the team principle, like the guy who's like, got, got his family coming to visit at the garage and stuff or Will Merrick, who's the dude who's always like box, box, box. Who's the guy in the first scene, the whole lot of love scene? Shea Wiggum. Yeah. That's not a, that's not a scene. That's a fucking major. Yeah, that's a guy. Yeah. It's a dude. That's sort of, he used to be that guy though. Sure. But he's been in. He's a graduated that guy. He very much. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's. Although maybe not because I couldn't remember his name. Maybe he hasn't graduated. Would you give him Dion Waiters? That's my Dion Waiters. Shea. Cause I can, he's, he's, he's so much more of a, of a that guy than me, uh, for, to me that I could not understand why he showed up in the movie for one scene and then had three lines and then you never see him again. Apple, Apple money. Hmm. Like come on in to this. I wonder whether or not he was supposed to be, have a bigger part. I don't know. He was also maybe trimmed down or cut out. Dion Waiters. Could we go with the aggressive English reporter, Don Cavendish? Could you do it, Don Cavendish? I have, I went with Tobias Menzies. Do you think Peter Banning is in this movie too much? Ah, he's okay. I think he's not too much. He might be in a little too much. That's a good one though. Cause he, when he's actually dialing it up. I don't really think this movie needed that character. Yeah. It's a knit. Um. The villain turn is like completely wet and like the whole like betray Rubin and I leaked the papers. It's like, I don't know. It was, it was going fine. You could go with the McLaren and the Ferrari guys in that one scene too. Maybe just coming in hot shitting all over the bus, recasting couch director city. I wouldn't change anything. Well, they also used all the cities. Yeah. They used every city. Craig is not here. Craig's on vacation. I bet he has no flex category. Have fast center research. Brockheimer said it took a year to convince everyone to be able to do this on race weekends. Everybody was worried about being the villain. He promised everyone no villains. The trailer uses the chain by Fleetwood Mac, which apparently formula one's been using on BBC since 1978, but that's not in the movie. The crash that ended Sunny's career was based on the actual crash of Martin Donnelly. Yes. The 1990s Spanish grand prix. Um, he was an advisor on the film. Kaczynski said they had over 500 or 5,000 hours of footage in two years to edit because of the strikes. Yeah. And he thought that was one of the reasons the movie was so good. A former F1 female strategy engineer named Bernie Collins from Northern Ireland, CR provided the inspiration for the Carrie Connick character. Sure. Could be wife too. Who knows? I don't know what she's doing. You just put it into the air. She smokes Barbara Reds here. Rip and seeks. The F1 album has just a lot of famous people in it. Sheeran Stapleton. Yeah. Sponsorships from various brands in this movie brought in at least 40 million bucks. And then another reason why they disputed the budget stuff. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole bunch of camera stuff that I'm not going to go through. But if you're interested in it, you could read about all the ways they mounted things, Apple making them, how they made the smallest cameras ever. So I looked around for a doc on all of this and there's not. I would really mostly stuff about like pieces of dancing and Brad Lerner and how to drive stuff. But like the cameras were essentially like the kind that they used in Top Gun operated by remote control and like the stuff that they're doing where it's like on Brad Pitt's face and then snap panning to another driver, whether that's a visual effect or what, it's incredible. Well, the director said that one of the primary focuses that they had was making sure that when they were on the guys during the race, racing scenes, that they didn't have to act. It's like one thing that can throw the racing scenes off is if the guys' faces don't match the intensity of what's happening. Yeah, Cruz, I'm sorry, Pitt looks like he's a couple, especially in the last scene, it really looks like he's like flying out of space. Apex Mountain, too hard to do when the movie just came out. But I do think it's Apex. I think F1 has a really Apex Mountain moment. Kaczynski, because now it's back to back. Those would be the huge movies. Yeah. I don't know about anybody else. Maybe Carrie Condon. I could argue that. Because, you know, yeah, I could argue that Kaczynski was talking about. What is this? It's F1 for sure. I think Maverick with this, that guy is now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to his next movie. I don't know what it is. Miami Vice. Did we meet him last month? We did, right? Runningman. Yeah, I tried to be cool. Who, Kaczynski? Yeah. He came to the office. Jack Sanders. Super cool. Jack Sanders completely embarrassed me. Why? What do you say? So like fucking Jack Sanders. Like Jack Sanders comes to the office. Did you try to go up to Joe and go, Joe Kaczynski, you son of a bitch. Jack, me and Jack have this thing that we do. Yeah. So where I see Jack and I go, what time is it? And Jack says, it's nigga time. Jack Sanders? Yeah. He's like, and he said that Jack says that, right? And it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. Yeah. And so it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. And we say that. And so that doesn't happen. And so I walked up to Jack. Man, this is fucked up if you're lying. He's been doing this. Also, can we actually do he's got like this weird new thing he's doing. There's this story which did not happen. I know it didn't. And then the other day he sent me like 14 fucking text messages being like, Chris, Chris, Chris, Tua wants to come on the watch. And I was like, Tua from the dolphins. And he's like, yeah, Tua likes the show. He wants to come on the watch. And I'm like, Van, you're fucking with me. But like, honestly, like, I don't really know if we would have a spot for Tua. If he doesn't watch shows. He's like, what is Tua going to talk about? And you're like, why don't you just answer me about whether Tua is allowed on the watch? What's wrong with you? Don't you have enough to do? This is your best bit of 2025. So, so I walk up to Jack. We can't run this. They're going to be people. You know you're joking. OK, at least you made that one part out. I did make so listen. I so so he's there. What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've asked this to be a bit for me and Jack and Jack has never agreed. No shit. Right. So I've asked for this to be a bit between me and Jack and Jack has never agreed. And because since he was in that guy, because this he was in the office and he was doing he was doing the big picture. And so I walk up to Jack when he's with Kaczynski and I go, yo, Jack, what time is it? Jack goes, man, leave me alone. I'm doing important stuff. And then I realized that Kaczynski was with him. Yeah. And he walked away and Kaczynski turned around and was the boom. And so your point is that Jack has never said that. No, Jack has never said. Jack refused to say it. I'm glad that came in five minutes. I kept telling Jack over the. How is the most powerful man in the world right now? He could single handedly. I kept telling Jack over and over. I'm like, Jack, come on, Jack's like, no, man, no. So Tua didn't want to come on the watch. Ra was so high when I was sitting. He did. I love this. Cruiser Hanks. Cruise. Yeah. And and there has been like I because he said this, I think, in somewhat just, but was a F2 could be days of thunder, too. Like we could have. Hey, I saw that. Culture and that's interesting. Yeah. 65 year old F1 driver sounds realistic. I mean, just definitely just just for what the fuck it now, right? It's kind of like. They do it. It was just like a car race movie and it was just but Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise sitting in the stands drinking. Mikalov. It should be a movie where Tom Cruise has to get his driver's license renewed. Yeah. That's the movie. It's called Renewal. We never know. Scorsese or Spielberg? Scorsese Spielberg. Perfect movie for Spielberg. I guess so. I guess so. Perfect, perfect movie for Spielberg. I would like Scorsese. This is essentially Jurassic Park, but with cars. The cars are the. All right, fine. What role of Philip Seymour Hoffman have played the villain investor? There's no question. Yeah, Peter Baining. Pickin' Nits. I have a slew of them. So go ahead. I mean, the number one thing from what I've gathered from F1 is that Sonny would not be allowed to just fly to Abu Dhabi and race. Fly premium economy, walk onto the track and be like, I'm racing. Well, there's on top of the fact that that's like a 30 hour flight and he'd be completely jet lagged. He's just like, where's my helmet? He's also getting in premium economy seating for like a global flight after screwing his backup. All right, the whole nine. Yeah, that's the thing. He's not flying more than four hours without standing up and just going up and down. They said it is a breach of forming one. Well, by the way, you have to qualify. You do yours. Well, I got one. Yeah. Have we ever paid attention to the fact that when we compare Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise as one thing that Tom Cruise is clearly better at? Brad Pitt is a terrible runner. He looks terrible like Segal level bad. Not Segal level bad. But are you seeing that because of the outfits he wears while he jogs? I'm watching him in the movie when he's running. And it was jarring to me that he was running like this. He looked terrible to me when he was running. He's a bad runner. He's a bad movie runner. Isn't he running in chucks in this movie too? He might be. That might be the reason why as Achilles might be sore. So I thought he was doing a bit because Sonny is a bad back trying to run. He's running in characters. Maybe. I tried to think of other movies where he ran. There's a little bit of running in Troy. Troy, he looks like deadly athletic. But like in this one, the running was bad. Bad running from Pitt. No Segal though. No, come on man. No Segal. Segal just running with his hands by his sides. I have a couple of picking knits including the Clemsi Pip Boss Blonde. What was their name? Jody. She's fired 10 minutes in the movie. You fuck that up once you're done. Is that true? No, I just think they fire. Okay. They're like, oh, we'll give her another chance. She's cost you nine seconds. She's done. Gotta be careful. Fired as she goes around in Pharaoh. I have a new award to give out. You're fucked. In picking knits? Yeah. But I think this is a new award we could carry over. It's the Michael Rooker and Cliffhanger. What the fuck are you mad about, or what? To JP's mom? What is she mad at Sunny for? Yeah. Her fucking son, Audible, then played hero ball. She doesn't know what happened. She doesn't know what happened. She doesn't know what happened. She's yelling at Sunny. He tells her later. Yeah. I know, but come on. He tells her later what happened. She doesn't know what happened. But it's like, it's actually like, isn't all that stuff on radio and recapture? Wouldn't anybody be like, hey, Sunny's mom, like Sunny actually, or JP's mom? Well, how's she going to get to the radio? She not a part of the team? Yeah, but don't they broadcast that shit on television? I don't know. Listen, Sunny pulled her aside and is like, yo. Yeah, somebody's got to be like, yo, Sunny tried to tell him to wait and he didn't. Michael Rooker is still the worst one, though. What are you mad at Gabe for? He's climbing out of line to save your dumb ass girlfriend or shouldn't have been hiking? You're a Cliffhanger guy right now. Cliffhanger, I like it. Come on. 1993, Sunny, when they do the flashback, come on, we have better special effects than this. Spent 300 million on the movie and it looks like Brad Pitt wearing a wig. He looks like he's like wearing Wayne's World's, the old Garth wig. Yes. It's just bad. I wanted more realistic. I sent you guys the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix on YouTube for this entirety. And it is really crazy to go back and watch like how bad the TV coverage of that was because there's so much time we're like, oh, there's a crash. You guys can't see it because we only have two cameras. Yeah. And this is like some dude hoppling out of his car. He's like, oh, that was, that was terrible. But I don't think we caught that. But if you did, like poker games should have been way better. Here's a really good nitpick. So Sunny gets out of the hospital in Las Vegas and the investor comes to see him. He's like, I thought I'd catch you. And Sunny's van is in Las Vegas. Why is Sunny's van in Las Vegas? Is he's just driving around in a van to all these tournaments? How did it get there? Well, no, I mean, it's he's been in Europe. Yeah, he's flying around with the crew. How does his van get into Las Vegas? Well, the funny thing is is that his trailer get around all these places. That's a great nitpick. This is great. Barden picks him up in Florida. Yeah. And is like, here's the first class ticket. Theoretically, Sunny drove his car to Nevada and put it in a parking lot and then. And then parking lot with no other cars. It's just bizarre. Yeah. He's just beginning like an Uber. Right. Because at some point he's globetrotting so much that the van has to be like an afterthought. And then the I just don't think you can hop in an F1 car after a 30 hour flight from Abu Dhabi when you have a metal rod in your back. No, I should say. I would also say one of my picking nets is. I think F1 cars to me drive way too fast so that if you're having like double vision or any kind of cognitive problem while you're driving them, you're just dead. Fucked. Yeah. Like you can't be like, oh man, I kind of can't see Max back there. Sequel prequel prestige TVL black cast are untouchable too soon to say. I would go. But probably sequel is happening for sure. 90s prequel of Ruben and Sunny in the earlier days of F1. Prequel. Yeah. Awesome butler as Sunny. F minus one. F minus one. Yes. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treya, Mad Dog, Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson? No. The rest of the crew. The wolf or Brimley and the firm. What do you have to say? Will you do a little bit of Mad Dog for us? Mad Dog talking to Cavendish. I was going to do a little Herb Street. Oh yeah. Oh. Yeah. Herb Street, NFL Herb Street. NFL doing the game. Let's hear it. After the crash in the final scene when JP crashes with I think Louis Hamilton and then Sunny's gone for that last lap and Herb Street halfway through the lab goes, oh I think he can win this. He might take home the checkered flag. Do you think Herb Street and Michael's last day with the Seahawks Rames game were like, what the fuck? We actually have a game on our hands. Herb Street didn't realize they were going for the two point conversion until they were on the 10 yard line. Mike, Al is out of it. It was just brutal. No, Al is out of it. I'll miss that. Oh, that was a long game for Al. I love Al. I know. Four hours is a lot. I love Al. Al is fucking. Al was like, oh, a touchdown. Okay. Spook and Akua, he's got it. I mean, that was the most exciting NFL game we're probably ever going to have on Thursday night. I can't believe he scored. Okay. Let's go. If we had had Kevin Harlan on that game, he'd be dead. They'd be like scraping him out of the seat. Did you have some Mad Dog or now? No, I was just, I wanted to, you're the better Mad Dog. Yeah. What would Mad Dog be mad at in this movie? Just queue me up. Uh, he, that fact, like, Mike, they can't race in Monson when it's raining. They would change the tires, Mike. You can't go hard soft hard. I'm like, here's the impacts. Go through seven drivers instead of a 51 year old sunny bunch. Just one Oscar who gets it, probably the editing. Right. The cinematography. I had the guy who edited the cameras. Yeah. So what, what does the camera thing go under? I don't know the cinematography. Yeah. Probably an Ansible question. I brought this up earlier, but is this movie better if Javier Bardem is dressed like Anton Sugar the entire time? That's true. Yeah. Just every scene he's just dressed like that guy in all black with the bull haircut. Is sunny anti, is sunny a little bit racist in this movie? I didn't get it. Like a whiff of racist. Like there was like a line when he's just like, we just call that a participation trophy. I don't think so. I don't think that he is. I think he's probably, he clearly was a, was a fuck up that had like some skeletons in his closet, but I never got that from him. This is Vans 2026 podcast. We're launching where we go through his famous movie characters. Are they racist? The man tries to decide if there is a whiff of racism. Who do we start with? Start with Superman. Oh, Jack. Start with Superman. Oh, Jack Nicholson, Colonel Jessup. Oh, well, Keifer is super racist in that. Just all the characters and few good men. You just go through the whole cast. They're also all anti-Semitic. They're all like, Mr. Weinberg. You Lieutenant Weinberg. You Lieutenant Weinberg. He hates him. Yeah, he really can't stand him. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? What do you got? I got the helmet and a part of the helmet. So the helmet's good. The helmet's good. Maybe the wreckage from one of the cards. Yeah. But I will want. What I wouldn't want is the fucking card. And I like people who throw cards. The deck of cards. That's what I was going to get you. No. Sonny's Watch. That's a good one. Watch is a good one. Trailer would be good too. The only other thing was that racing magazine that they doctored up. Oh, yeah. That would be cool. They would get framed. Could look right behind the van. Coach Finstack would wear best life lesson. It's never too late to not be the best that never was anymore. That's very wise. I have create your own breaks. Best double feature choice. I have dip your pin in the company ink. It might work out. What? It worked out? We've seen it. Yeah. It's working out. You know what? That is an office romance that worked out. Office romance that should come back. Yeah. Bring them back. It was their best lesson. Okay. Double feature. I'm going for the John Frankenheimer movie from 66. I got to go Days of Thunder. Days of Thunder was my favorite racing movie before this. I think this is not my favorite. Days of Thunder because of Bro Kramer. There you go. And then who won the movie? Brad Pitt or F1? I'm going for Joe Kaczynski. Oh, you know what? Joe Kaczynski. I was going Brad, but that's probably the answer. Brad is the easy answer. I think that's probably the answer because this means more for Kaczynski than it does for Brad Pitt. Like I don't think the Russo brothers could. You could fuck this movie up. He's the best. I think the answer is Brad Pitt. Because a little bit of a rocky last 10 years for Brad to say the least. And then once upon a time pulled him out of it a little bit, but I think he needed one more. Yeah. Now I feel like he's bad. He's back and nobody talks about not his brand of field stuff with Brad. Jesus. Yeah, we didn't give into that. Now does Brad do because Kaczynski is going on to do Miami Vice does Brad like hitch his wagon to Kaczynski now and like try to get more films with him? He's doing an Edward Burger movie and something else, but I think they'll make F2 before it's too late. Yeah, before Brad gets too late. He's going to be like he's 62. Well, there is a world for him to be like off out of the car. I mean, he could be in the movie and sell it and it could be Dampson versus. He could be the guy who runs the team. He could be the guy who runs the team or if they want to make Dampson because Dampson to me has a trajectory that's out of this world. Like a trajectory. Creed franchise for Dampson. Something like that for Dampson. And it's perfect for him because he's, you know, English and it's a cosmopolitan world. Yeah, God forbid he was not English. Who Dampson? Yeah, God forbid we got a win. The Americans? Yeah. It's just a bigger thing for them. But like for British people. Can we get some more wins in America? Oh, Jesus. Sonny won. He won the race. The same with actors. He took it from. Yeah, he was fucking UK people taking our parts. Okay. Oh, that's what I mean. When I saw this Spielberg trailer and it was like Blunt and Joshua Conner pretending to be American. I was like, yeah. Fucking had it. We have 50 states. So it can be it only. A congillian people here. It only bothers me and we've had this conversation. It only bothers me when it's like, I don't know, fucking David. David L. O. O. played Martin Luther King, Jr. Yeah. And then Dan Caluya played Fred Hampton. All of these guys are fantastic brothers, great actors. But we do need at some point coming up now, like Leroy Jenkins, Jr. is Jesse Jackson. We do need at least one. Like Cynthia Rivo, Harriet Tubman. Everybody is the same. No separation. We all cool. We're together. But just give me like Darius Washington is mega Everest. Just give me one. I need one. Jaylin Thomas, just one of them. Coleman Domingo did Bayon Russ and all of that. So that's the only thing for a while. I was getting a little spooky out here. Okay. Let's take our corners back. Yeah. Okay. Come on, guys. Thanks to Gahau. Thanks to Craig who's not here today. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Eduardo. Yeah. That was our last one of 2025. Do you want to tease what the next thing is? No. Well, we have a special episode next week. I don't want to tease it though. What do you think? What was the best movie we did in 2025? The best movie or the best part? What was the one year the happiest we did? Well, I have to think about it. I mean, honestly, it's like recency bias, but high fidelity. I was good. Interesting. Yeah. I was good. Because of Mahoney. How you winning? Oh, I forgot to give him the hottest take. The Rob Mahoney, yeah. Yeah. He turned the whole grunge universe against him. That takes a lot of people I know off. I liked Jaws 2. For me, my favorite one, just because the movie is just crazy, well, it's Halloween 2. Halloween 2 is nuts. Like, the guy getting hit by the car. Yeah. It was just so fucking hysterical. That was really fun. Halloween 2 is nuts. Diarrhea 3 was fun. We did a lot of good ones this year. All right. Thanks, man. Thanks, Ciara.