Brains On presents: Smash Boom Best - Hot Wheels vs Monster Trucks

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We're on a little winter break here, but we're gonna be back with a new episode of brainson January 6th. Until then, we have an episode of our sister podcast, Smash Boom Best to share with you. The episode features some familiar voices, me, Mark, and Sandin. Enjoy the show! Brainson Universe From the brains behind brainson, it's Smash Boom Best. The show for people with big opinions. I'm Molly Bloom, and this is Smash Boom Best. The show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best. We're back with a new season of Smash Boom Best, and we're off to the races with a really wild face-off between a vehicle that smashes around arenas and a toy that can zoom just about anywhere. It's Monster Trucks vs Hot Wheels. We've got Smash Boom Best co-creator, Mark Sanchez here, to wrap the mighty, mighty Monster Trucks. Oh yeah, I'm ready to spin circles around my opponent, aka, do donuts like the great Monster Trucks. And we have Smash Boom Best co-creator, Sandin Totten, here, to room, room, room for hot, hot, hot wheels. Yeah, I feel the need, the need for winning this debate. And here to judge it all is Archer from Irvington, New York. Archer is learning how to cope. Like his mac and cheese with bacon and peas thrown in, by his dungeons and dragons, and has a cat called Violet, but in reality has a much longer name. Look a marcher. Hey! So, Archer, what is your cat's actual name? Princess Violet von Fluffy Pants, Lillier Rose Jones. Incredible. That's your cool government. It's on her passport. Yeah. Excellent. So, do you only call her Violet or do you have like lots of other nicknames too? She has a ton. We call her Vee-Vee a lot. Violet. I say baby when I'm talking to her because she's just my little baby. Oh. And she's five years old. She's like an adult by Catstandard. She's my daughter. I love her so much. What's her personality like? She loves people. Like, she's really cuddly. She likes being picked up. But she will also scratch her. Yeah, those cats. They are unpredictable. So you play dungeons and dragons. And just for kids who might not be familiar, what is dungeons and dragons? Okay. So, D&D is like a tabletop role-playing game, which is a really long way of saying you get to pretend to be like different characters. And it's basically playing pretend, honestly. But instead of just saying you do something and then the other person can be like, I dodge it, you get to roll dice and do math to determine what happens instead. So I know that people in dungeons and dragons, they have like a specific character. They've kind of created for themselves. So what's your character? Oh, I have a character. Their name is Olander. They're an Owlin, which means they're basically an Owl person. And they were wizard because I think spellcasters are the most interesting. They're the most interesting to play, definitely. Incredible. So this is your first time judging, but not your first time listening to Smash Boom Best. So I'm wondering, do you have any advice for our debaters today? Definitely like, I will go forever has the best cargument, but. I was dating that pun. I was singing it. I was dating that pun. I was singing it. I was singing it. Let the pun speak in. Bring on the puns. If you make me laugh, bonus points in my heart, in my heart. All right. You're an axle for it. Oh, no. This is going to have the highest pun per minutes of any episode I have a feeling. I'm gasped for this. So will Archer side with Mark or Sandin? Only time will tell, but first here are the rules of the game. Every debate consists of four rounds, the Declaration of Greenness, the Micro-Round, the Sneak Attack, and the Final Six. After each round, our judge Archer will award points to the team that impresses him the most, but he'll keep his decisions top secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen at the end of the show, head to our website, smashboom.org, and vote for whichever team you think won. OK. Mark, Sandin and Archer, are you ready? Ready to go. Pedal to the metal, baby. Oh, yeah. All gasped up and ready to rumble. That it's time for the Declaration of Greenness. This round, our debaters will present a well-crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each have 30 seconds to rebut their opponent's statements. We flip to coin, and mark your up first. Tell us what makes monster trucks so monstrously cool. Let me tell you about the legend of Bigfoot. Oh, sorry, Sasquatch. I'm not talking about you. The big foot I'm talking about is a ginormous blue four-wheel drive truck. It was the first ever monster truck. It started in the late 1970s with a guy named Bob Chandler. Bob owned a regular truck that he liked to drive through the wilderness. He'd run over rocks and through riverbeds, which led to some obvious problems. Oh, dang it. My truck keeps getting busted up and broken. I need something tougher. Luckily, Bob owned a truck-part shop, so he started tinkering. He made his truck bigger, stronger, and tighter rear, meaning it had bigger tires. I've made a monster. Cool. Let's see if it can crush stuff. He named the truck Bigfoot. And soon, people around the country were paying to see it pull tractors and do spins and drive over old cars. Bigfoot became a bonafide celebrity. The first of many monster trucks. Monster trucks are epic. They're large, loud, and have tires that are usually around five feet six inches tall. That means they're taller than comedian Kevin Hart. Now, you're not going to see these trucks on regular roads, because a regular road couldn't handle this level of awesome. Instead, they're driven around at big shows inside packed stadiums. If you're lucky enough to go to a monster truck rally, you'll see the trucks do a couple things. They'll race each other, and they'll do freestyle stunts. We're talking obstacle jumps, back flips, wheelies, and donuts. It's the kind of stuff that makes you leap out of your seat like this. Yeah, buddy! Did you see what that truck just did? It did a flip then shot out balls of fire. Yeah, buddy! Should we scream in excitement? Yes! Monster trucks can be over 10 feet tall, 12 feet wide, and 17 feet long, about the height of a giraffe. And they can weigh 12,000 pounds, which is like 208 year olds. And even though they're big, some can hit speeds of up to 70 miles per hour. And don't forget the sheer unrelenting, unmatched power! We measure the strength of engines with a unit called horsepower. The typical car these days has only about 200 horsepower. Monster trucks have over seven times that. So much power! Yeah! The average hot wheel car has, well, you know, zero horsepower. Unless, of course, a horse steps on it, then it gets attached to the horse's foot, and then the horse walks around for a while with it, and I guess it has a little bit of horsepower, or horse hoof power? I don't know. Uh oh, sorry, Cloppy! Let me get that car off your hoof. There we go. Now don't get me wrong. Building up a collection of cute little cars can be fun! Sure. But monster trucks are the main event. They get your blood pumping. They amp up your adrenaline, and seeing their performance like being at a car show, a concert, and a competition all rolled into one. Nothing can top that level of thrill. In fact, it's time to get back to our seats! Come on, kid. Yes! You two clumpy the horse! And you, Sasquatch! I sent you both seats, and I brought you some ear plugs, because it's gonna get loud. Look! It's ThunderDrop! And he's taking on Venom 4-Tex! Oh, and Iron Cluz gaining fast! This is so exciting! I love monster trucks! Yeah, buddy! Big wheels, full tanks, can't lose, archer. What's it out to you about Mark's declaration of greatness? I love that like, dig at Hot Wheels at the end, where it was like, Hot Wheels have zero horsepower. I think that thought it was really funny. I like how you use sound effects, and uh, you know, my brother is actually an eight-year-old. So, I just think it's really funny that they can weigh up to 200 times my little brother. Hi, Sasquatch, we're watching this by the way. Sorry, I didn't tell you I was going on Smash Boom Best. I wanted to surprise you. Hi, Sasquatch! Hi, Sasquatch! Hi! Incredible. All right, Sandin, it is time for your reputtle. Tell us why monster trucks should go back in the garage. You've got 30 seconds. Give me the green light. And your time starts now. Okay, here we go. Average noise levels at one of these monster jams can be 90 to 100 decibels, even up to 125 decibels. Talk about a monster headache and also monster hearing damage. And if you hate getting overstimulated or noise bothers you, these will ruin your day, okay? And you know what? Bigfoot may have a big foot, but he's also got a big carbon foot print, because the CO2 and exhaust coming out of these things is just monstrous. You know what? Is this zero emission vehicle? Hot wheel. Also, car and car violence has never been the answer. Time. Stop crushing the old cars. I believe she yelled time, Sandin, and there are electric monster trucks. Just so you know. The engines are already starting to overheat. We're going to take a quick break and cool down. We'll be right back with Sandin's Declaration of Greatness. Boom. Boom. Smash. Boom. Rest. You're listening to Smash Boom. Best, I'm your host Molly Bloom. And I'm your judge, Archer. Okay, it's your turn, Sandin. Tell us why hot wheels are the toys that will never run out of gas. Everyone knows this sound. Making pretend car noises is one of the most important steps in child development. It comes right after learning to walk and just before having empathy for your fellow humans. But I'd argue it's far more important. Because pretend car noises mean you're having fun. Which is why we're alive in the first place. And how did we all master this very serious and 100% important life skill? Playing with hot wheels. Baby. Hot wheels are so fun. In case you don't know, a hot wheel isn't mini metal car. They've been around since the 1960s and they come in all shapes and sizes. You got drag racers with big shiny engines and cool paint jobs or expensive sports cars. The likes of which you only see when your uncle Don goes through a mid-life crisis. There's Barbie cars, Batman cars, and some third example that starts with me that I'm not thinking of. Vans, trucks, buses, no matter what you're into, there's a hot wheel for you. But I heard cars are expensive. Yes, little child. Real cars are. Especially ones with comically oversized tires and terrible mufflers. Monster trucks. But hot wheels only cost a few dollars and they're sold almost everywhere. But whatever I have, expensive tastes. Ah, a connoisseur. Well, there are ultra rare collectible hot wheels that go for thousands of dollars. This is truly a toy for all sizes of bank account. But the best part is playing with hot wheels. You can race them across the rug. Do epic car chases on the counters. Get a muddy then set up a car wash with the backyard hose. You can make cardboard towns for them to cruise through or get the signature orange hot wheel tracks and make a speed course complete with a loop de loop. Or, my personal favorite, you can build a massive ramp down the basement stairs and launch your little car friends into a living. Since they're made of tough as nails, die cast metal, hot wheels can take a beating and keep on rolling. All of this makes them the perfect toy to help you build up your imagination. Which is another skill that will take you far in life. And the fancy golden movie award goes to Tiffany for her movie, Room Room. Thank you, thank you. I'd like to shout out hot wheels for helping me develop my wildly powerful imagination, which allowed me to capture the hearts and minds of moviegoers everywhere. Let's talk about size. Sure, monster trucks are big, but like with potholes, poison oak patches, and debt, bigger isn't always better. In fact, there's something so satisfying about small things. It's why we love tiny dioramas, mini-putals, and those videos where people feed hamsters, tiny versions of everyday food. So cute. And the small size means they're portable. Hot wheels are way easier to stuff in your pocket than a real car, which makes them the perfect companion for whatever you end up doing. So next time you're stuck in the line at the grocery store, or riding the bus to school, or waiting for the shoe person to bring you the right-size shoe, you can bust out your hot wheel and let the good times roll. Room Room, y'all. Room Room. Room Room Indeed. Archer, what's so doubt you about Sandin's declaration of greatness? Any moments there that really caught you? I feel like his final six is just going to be room room room room room room room room. Might be. If it is like, can I use that? Sure, yeah, it's free. If you use it, I'll give you the point. Oh, wait a minute. You got to give me one too. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay, anyway, I was just delightful. I had to start myself from laughing on multiple occasions. I had a great time listening to that. Okay, Mark, it's time for your rebuttal. Show us why hot wheels are not the real deal. You've got 30 seconds and your time starts now. All right, first thing you talked about is sound, which is the very first point you made about why hot wheels are so cool. You said monster trucks are too loud. Everybody loves the sound. Third, also, Santa, I'm going to help you out. A third beef car, Batmobile. One of the most collectible hot wheels. You're welcome. That's what third b. All the plastic tracks, that can't be good for the environment either. Basically, Santa, you're just like hot wheels, racetrack, your arguments end in a sad, sad crash. And time. Okay. Mark, I think your arguments are driving right into a dead end, but no one's throwing out those tracks. They're not plastic problems if you keep using them. I've had those tracks. I use them. When are you ever going to get rid of them? I'll be sending my cars down there when I'm a geriatric senior in my 80s. I would like to say that like, Santa, and you can't leave your cake and eat it too. You can't say that monster trucks are bad because they're too loud and then say everyone loves hot wheels because they like the sound. I feel like a full one car's down. You look at other things. I mean, but there is a difference in decibel here. No one's getting sure in damage, hearing damage from a little kid playing with cars. Oh, and also, I have a problem with your rebuttal because he said his two Bs were Batman cars and Barbie cars. The second B was Batman. It's harder to think of the third B than you thought, Mark. Right. Oh my gosh. What about boats? Boats. Boats are cars, but yeah, sure. Brown cars? There you go. Those those sought after brown cars. Everyone wants brown cars. It's true. All right, Archer, it is time to abort some points. Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you like best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over. You get to decide what makes a winning argument. Did one team's jokes make you giggle? Was another team's logic impeccable? A watcher points, but don't tell us who they're going to. Have you made your decision? Absolutely. Excellent. Sandit and Mark, how are you two feeling so far? I got my foot on the gas and I'm ready to peel out. All right, you know, the road's been a little bumpy, but I see a flat stretch ahead and I am just going to lay into it. Do you see a loop ahead? Do you see a loop delup? It's coming. It's coming. Unfortunately, flat stretches don't do anything for hot wells. They just stand still. Not if you push them. Okay. It's a time for a quick break. Top off the air in your tires and make some car sounds with your mouth. And we'll be right back with more Smash Boom Best. You're listening to state of debate, home to rage and rhetoric and awe-inspiring argumentation. Hey there, debate dooders. This is Taylor Lincoln and I'm here with the flame to my candle, Todd Douglas. Hey there, hi there. Hold there, friend, to the end. I was just making myself a sandwich. Ooh, I do love a sandwich. Then I'll make one for you and trust me. This one will go way better than that situation I heard about on my favorite sitcom, BFFO Clock. OMG, I love that show. Me too. And this episode featured a big, old logical fallacy, which makes an argument easy to defeat. Ooh. Here, let's take a listen. Oh hey, Benny. Wanna Sammy? Oh, dot. When in our entire best friendship have I ever said no to a Sammy? Not once. Today, I'm gonna make you one of my childhood specialties. The Pickleberry Surprise. Excuse me? Everyone knows about the Pickleberry Surprise. Uh, what? How? Everyone knows about them because they're infamous. Since when? Since they are very well known. But they're super popular because they're very infamous, now stomp-asking questions and eat already. Well, now I'm hungry. But did you notice what was wrong with dots argument? She just kept going round and round in circles. Exactly. She was using circular arguments. That's when an argument ends the same way it started with no real evidence or reasoning to support the conclusion. Plus, it makes me dizzy. Here, Taylor, sit down and enjoy half of this Pickleberry Surprise sandwich. Oh, oh, that is not good. No, it's really not. See you next time on State of Debate. Smash. Smash. Smash. Smash. You're listening to Smash Boom Best. I'm your host, Molly Bloom. And I'm your judge, Archer. And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners. Take a listen to this fast moving debate idea from Jacqueline. Hi, my name is Jacqueline. My debate idea is swimming versus running. Either way, that debate will get your heart pumping. We'll check back in at the end of this episode to see which side Jacqueline thing should win. And now it's back to our debate, Monster Trucks versus Hot Wheels. That's right. And it's time for round two, the... Micro round. In today's a micro round, Sandin and Mark will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool fact. Mark went first last time. So Sandin, please kick us off. You know, Monster Trucks, they may be highly engineered machines, but so are Hot Wheels. They're fast and durable and they look super cool because they were originally created by toy designers and car designers and even a former aerospace engineer. They've got Mag Wheels and Torjan Bar suspension. This is basically space-aged tech that fits in the palm of your hand. Whoa. Wow, Mark. Yes. Fact. Monster Trucks let you bring your imagination and childlike sense of play with you forever. They're all real world incarnations of what every Hot Wheels loving kid dreams of. In fact, there is a whole Monster Truck Jam dedicated to Hot Wheels cars where they solve the disappointment of not being able to fully experience these cars in real life. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry. Oh. And there are miniature versions of Monster Trucks that Hot Wheels sell. So you can keep that dream alive until you get yourself to the next Monster Jam. Mark, all I'm hearing is that Monster Trucks are coasting off of the good graces of Hot Wheels and all these commercials and using our name. Well, you know what? Hot Wheels may be small in size, but they are huge in speed. These pocket rockets can launch down a track and reach up to 280 miles per hour, which is almost three times the fastest Monster Truck ever. So eat our mini dust slow pokes. All right. In 2024, Monster Truck Jam sold over 4.2 million tickets. That's just in one year. You know what else sold that many tickets? Tailor Swift. Yeah. And since Monster Truck Jam's are so family-friendly, kids of all ages can get on the track next to the trucks and drivers and take their pictures and talk to them. Getting access to Tailor Swift is going to cost, I don't know, owning three Super Bowl rings and being named Travis Kelsey. Oh. Oh. Hot Wheels. Fact, fact, fact. Are like little Pokemon on wheels because Hot Wheels are hot collectibles. There are old rare ones like the Pink VW bus known as the Beach Bomb. It's worth $175,000. But even today, you can find special treasure hunt hot wheels mixed in with regular ones that are worth more. See, it's play that pays. Well, Monster Truck's save lives. After Hurricane Harvey flooded the streets of Houston in 2017, Monster Truck's were some of the only vehicles that could navigate through the high waters. They rescued an elderly woman with her two dogs. They picked up another person who was going into labor. So, Dr. Monster Truck. And they even rescued the National Guard troops whose own rescue vehicles got stuck. Okay, that's good. Oh. Wow. Wow. That was fast and furious. Archer was sent out to you about this mic around. I mean, there was a lot of digs thrown both ways, I gotta say. The Dockster Truck fact is interesting. Monster Truck's saving lives was pretty cool. Never seen Hot Wheels truck do that. But on the other side of the coin, I feel like if you're going talking about how family friendly Monster Truck rallies are, you know what's even more family friendly? Playing by yourself with a little car, yeah. Yeah. I love playing around with a little car. Without your family, yeah. I'm just like, you're family alone. Like I said, the little car. That's true. That's foster your imagination. I do like that. Which side do my loyalty's lie? Who knows? This is tough. I think you're going one way then. You throw it in reverse and go the other way. Exactly. Archer is keeping us on our toes. Yeah. Okay, it's time to award a point, but don't tell us who it's going to. Have you made your decision? I have. Then it's time for our third round, the Super Stealthy. Ha ha ha ha! Sneak attack. This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot. Today's sneak attack is called, Style Sense. If your side had a fashion line, what would it be called? And what would the aesthetic be? These are two fashionable cars, but we want to know how you would translate that into fashionable looks. Mark and Sandin, does that make sense? Oh yeah. Yeah, got totally. I'm ready. All right. So Mark, you are up first. Let's hear about your fashion for Monster Trucks. Monster truck fashion is going to sweep the nation. This holiday season and beyond because their monster trucks are teaming up with Chuck Taylor Converse and you guessed it, they're going to be having monster trucks. Oh my god. Yeah, I know, right? These are shoes with, you know, every single monster truck you've ever heard of, the Bigfoot, Grave Digger, all these huge monster trucks. And you can push a button and you get not only just like those little skate wheels that pop out, but you get like giant four wheel drive monster wheels, monster truck wheels, that you can just like go crush your bus with. The most dangerous fashion. The most dangerous fashion, but you know, monster trucks and Chuck Taylor's monster trucks. Do they make car noises? Oh yeah, of course. Oh yeah. I left out the obvious fact because I figured everybody would know it, but you're right. I should say they do make generous car noises based on every truck. And there's actually one special box that it comes in variety of sizes, but there's only one in each size and it shoots flames. Mark, I want to know, these looks sound amazing, but dangerous. Do you need that special orbit to wear the shoes? They're for everybody. Yeah, I think you can probably, you can only wear them like in the desert with nobody. Okay, great. I've got to totally, someone's going to be like, pants on fire and they're like, I'm not telling a lie. And they're like, no, literally your pants are on fire. Your shoes keep shooting out flames. No, I was ready to invest in this, but like I can't, yeah, I can't wear these like around, you know, I just don't don't know if it's worth it for me. All right, Sandin, please tell us about your fashion line for hot wheels. Oh my gosh, darling, this is a whole hot wheels fashion moment. Okay, not only does the outfit start with a hat wheels. That's a little hat you put on that looks like a wheel, but we've also walking you around in your hot heels, which are really tall heels that are that signature orange track color. And some of the dresses that got this metallic sheen to them, but you can dunk them in water and they'll change color just like some of the classic hot wheels of our day. They've all got pockets to store your cars in. You cruise on down the runway in these and they've all got flames on the side painted. I'm not trying to burn you. I mean, who would want clothing that burned you? And these these hot outfits are going to be hot accessories. They're going to be the future of fashion die cast metal. So you could spell on them and everything will slide right off. You look amazing in hot. Sorry, the dress is die cast metal. I'd like, you know, a thin a thin die cast metal, you know, a breathable die cast metal. That's a thing, right? That is, yeah. You can't sit down in it, but it's very cool. It's cool. If you want to walk around like the Tin Man, look, it's for leaning. It's for strategic cool leaning. The orange hot heels should also like double like if you take your foot out of them, they also double the hot wheels track. Oh, yeah. Maybe there's a little hot wheel shoots out of them, you know, when you step, like when I'm really launchers, I heard how you step. There's like a launch on the hot wheels car. Your opponents will be falling all over the place. We are at the cutting edge of fashion here. Two incredible fashion lines, but archer, only one of them can get a point. Think about which side impress you the most in award your fourth point, but don't tell us who it's going to. Have you made your decision? Yeah. Perfect. Then it's time for our final round. The final six. In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side. Sandin, let's hear your six words for the heroic hot wheels. Fire in your hand. Hot wheels. Very nice. All right, Mark, it's your turn. Please give us your six words for the magnificent monster trucks. Imagination all grown up. Yeah, buddy. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Incredible. Okay, archer, it is time to award a final point for this final six. Have you made your decision? It is done. Oh, wonderful. All right, tell you at those points, are you ready to crown one team to smash wound best? I was born ready. Okay. Drum roll, please. And the winner is... Monster trucks. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. Right in the engine. Okay, archer, was there a moment that decided things for you? Was it the final six that did it? The final six got me honestly. Like I was like, oh yeah, normal, normal set and yeah, buddy. It's always the classic final six, you know. I almost gave monster trucks the sneak attack, but honestly just the sheer genius of the hot wheels. I'm just like, how does one come up with the hot wheels? I mean, and then if you get a flat tire, you've got to spare on your head, you know, you're there to save the day. Monster trucks got the rebuttal point because I mean, just like that cold finisher of like, it ends in a terrible crash. Amazing. Anyway, congrats everybody, round of applause. Yeah, thank you, archer. Sandin, I really enjoyed this debate because I am a big hot wheels fan. And I'm a fan of both and it was hard for me to argue against hot wheels because I know that they have so much in common, but you did a really great job. I did love your fashion. That was my favorite. You really brought it with a whole ensemble. Oh yeah. Mark, I just have two words for you. Yeah, buddy. I can't wait to go to the next monster truck rally with you friend. Woo! We're gonna bring your plumber. Am I invited? Of course. Yeah, everyone, bring your hot wheels. Thank you. Come on down. Well, that is it for today's debate battle. Archer, crowned monster trucks, the smash boom best. But what about you? Head to smashboom.org and both tell us who you think won. This episode was produced by me, Molly Bloom and Anna Wegl. We had sound designed by Mark Sanchez and he also wrote the killer theme song. We had engineering help from Matt Graff. Our announcer is Marley Feuerberger Otto and we want to give a special thanks to Austin Cross and Taylor Kaufman. Mark, is there anyone you'd like to shout out today? Uh, yeah, I'd like to shout out Coco and Vicki and my dog, Ella and Mr. Bob Chandler and Ben Truffet, and the one and only great Anna Wegl. Of course. And how about you, Sandin? Any special shout outs? Oh, yeah, I want to shout out my son Felix, who is really getting into cars and helps meet prepare for this debate by playing cars with me for the last four years. And also, I want to give a big shout out to you and Mark and me for being back. Smash from busts is back an independent baby. Yes. And Art, share how about you and any special thanks for shout outs? I've been with this moment for like four years. For like what I would say, shout out to my darling angel cat, Violet. Shout out to my dad for sending me up for this and like giving all the work and driving here. He's in the lobby right now. A shout out to my friend Sophie who is probably listening to this also because she's a fan of the podcast. Also my mom. And my brother who I'm surprising by being in this episode again, I kept it a secret from him this entire time. And he's like, oh my god, wait, Art is going to smash from bust now. And yes, I am. Being incredible. That's so fun. Before we go, let's check in and see who Jacqueline thinks should win the swimming versus running debate. I personally think that swimming would win because I'm not good at running. Thank you. Bye. If you're between the ages of 13 and 18 and you'd like to be a judge or if you're any age and you have an idea for a knockdown drag out debate, head to smashboom.org slash contact and drop us a line. And if you're a fan of the show and want to keep it going, head to smartypass.org to subscribe. We'll be back next week with a new Smash Boom best episode, Maybe's versus puppies. Ta-ta. All right guys, shipping into second gear. See you later. Bye, my bro. Oh, the test. Smash boom best. And the rest. Smash boom best. Smash boom best. Oh my goodness. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have to raise my self. I have to cut any of this. That's not a single second.