Spittin' Chiclets Episode 617: Featuring Jack O'Callahan

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What a crazy weekend, but there was two big-time outdoor games this weekend, and ours was number two all right because Tampa played Boston in the best I tweeted out one of the best it was the best outdoor game we've ever had and a lot of times biz you've mentioned that this game is more for the people at the game it's the experience it's fun it's different the home the viewers at home too just an absolute treat to get to see an all-time collapse I'd say a ref show Bruins fans may say, the outfits, everything that went with it. What did you think? What do you guys want to talk about in terms of this game first? I mean, I hate to admit this, guys. I was doing errands. We just got back. I got back earlier in the day from our outdoor game at Penn State. What's that with? Are you about to tell us? You didn't watch the game? It is, no. But I missed the start of it. Then all of a sudden, next time it's 5-1. I'm like, ah, it's kind of out of hand. I'd rather go get my Thai massage. so by the time Vasilev Aaron's? Wait, whoa you ran Aaron's or you got a massage? No, I was running Aaron's and then all of a sudden puck drop, missed the first period okay, I'll go home and catch the rest of it, whatever I missed some of it, the funny intros I mean, the players walking in like football players, the Boston guys coming in, like they just signed the Declaration of Independence, that was all time watch a Paul Revere's mess, PK, and Levy dressed as fucking pirates, like It was unreal, the visuals that you were seeing come out. So all of a sudden, it was 5-1. I'm like, wow, you know what? I'd rather, you know, get in touch back with my body. You know, flying all these flights. My body's a little stiff. The posterior chain's a little tight. I'm going to go have a Thai masseuse of her pinky toenail in my cornhole. And all of a sudden, I get out of this two-and-a-half-hour, like, two-lady massage, and I look at my phone. Two-and-a-half hours? Two-and-a-half, buddy. I was like, no way. He's like fucking Wagyu steak, this guy. Yeah, they go head to toe. What do you mean? Is it good for you? Of course it's good for you. And I look at my phone and I see in bold caps, goalie fight. And then I start reading the text thread and I apparently miss the greatest outdoor game of all time. So I'll hand it over to you guys. I saw the clips. John Gruden was saying, this is unbelievable. Tim McGraw saying, I love this shit. and really everybody online weighing in on, once again, what was the greatest outdoor game of all time. So I'll hand it over to you guys, but it seemed like one locker room was loving life. The white Tyson, as Kucherov was describing Vazileski, but you'd go over to the Boston locker room, and they were saying this was a horseshit refereeing display. So what did you guys see? How did it all shake down? And I'm sorry I missed it, folks, but I had to get my cornhole taken care of with a baby toe in it. Two things stuck out for me. Rest in peace, Arm Dogs record that he had. That's up for debate, though. No, it's not. I love Army. It's done. It's done. It's done. It's an outdoor winter NHL game. Okay. And then two, the walk-ins. So I think the teams kind of coordinate. So, like, Tampa guys must have been like, hey, we're going to dress up as the football team. the Buccaneers and Bruins guys like alright we'll dress up as the Patriots they probably thought that they were going to be dressed as the New England Patriots and then coming in as actual Patriots from 1776 was outstanding work especially with the Patriots going to the Super Bowl so little things like that are fun for me but the game was incredible if Vasilevsky doesn't have a face tattoo by next game I don't even count the fight yeah he's White Tyson I would respect if you were just honest because the real reason is for sure it was ESPN, it wasn't TNT and that's your thing What are you talking about? You can be honest with us The best part for me Boys, what do you mean? Do you not believe me? I sent a picture to the group chat I'll show you guys again on here I had to get my posterior chain taken care of I don't know if this picture is going to help your adamant claim that there's nothing sexual happening. Those are my ladies right there. You have to be watching on Netflix to see my girls that take care of me. The one's the one who works the front door. She's always at the front door, and she was the one who was pushing me to get the two ladies, and every time I would decline, she'd roll her eyes at me, and then now it's like I won't get a massage unless it's two ladies massaging me. But it has nothing to do with the fact that it's ESPN. Stop trying to start rumors, buddy. The Tampa Bay Lightning walking in as football players, I loved it because it was legit. Besides Hedman and Vasilevsky, it was 18 kickers. And to see NHL players, like Kucherov was a legit kicker. He didn't want to do that. Yeah, a bunch of guys were together, and then he's just kind of like walking in, and you know he's like, what the fuck are we doing? But team guy didn't slow down his game at all. He was magnificent. and then the Patriots won now the one question I have and I'd love to talk to Coop we'll have to ask him maybe after the Olympics he'll come back on like it was pirate themed and then he was just a cocaine dealer he was Tony Montana and listen at one point it's 5-1 and I'm like Coop's gotta be like the guy in what is that movie when he's like my fucking shirt take my eyes but not my shirt like I can't believe I'm wearing this outfit were getting trounced in the stadium series. There was probably a few regerts when they were down 5-1. Maybe about... In the coach's room after the second, they're like, hey, should we throw on sweatshirts and just pretend it's cold out? Then he took a bag out and he did a little tootski and then they turned things around. Maybe that's what happened. Maybe he gave them all a couple of Villelinos in the locker room and that got them going. Or at least before all those 5-on-3s. Now, what the fuck was going on with the ref show? So... All right, so there was one call I didn't like. Tampa made it 5-2. Bjorkstrand scored on the power play. And Kastelik, kind of just out of frustration or whatever, just, like, slammed him into the boards. Bjorkstrand didn't fall down. So, like, it was, to me, you don't call it, right? I don't know. And it was just, like, a push after the boards. Nothing crazy. And a little scrum ensued, which, by the way, like, I love Hagel. I don't think I knew that much, like, about him, like, as a player. and then you see, I think, the 90-point season he had. Then you see the fight against Kachuk, and then just, like, everything moving forward. I've watched him way more closely. He jumped into that pile, I think, at Kastelik, and it was just melee, but Kastelik goes to the box. That was a call. I'm like, all right, Bruins fans have a reason to be upset. But then there was interference. I think Corrales had interference on somebody, where Corrales put his hand over the puck. The rest of the calls, I thought, they were just penalties. One of them was swaying over the glass delay a game, nothing you could do there. hand over the puck and whoever the interference penalty was. The problem Bruins fans had, I think, was forget the end of the game, which we'll get to. McAvoy was blatantly tripped while killing a five-on-three. And all of us know, if you're killing a five-on-three, like, the smallest thing that the other team with the advantage can do is a penalty. And they didn't call, and that's when I was like, oh my god. And then the Tampa Power Play just went to work. Radish, who I didn't know until the broadcast said it, he has like 60, 90 mile an hour or higher shots this year, which is way more than anyone else. So just a straight cannon, even more than the Boosh bomb. And Boosh with Bacardi Boosh against the Wilds. We'll get into that a little bit. Just incredible. Unreal. Unreal. From Boosh. He's the best. But the Tampa power play, they just got hot. And McAvoy's quote was hilarious after. It's like, what happened out there? He's like, I don't know. We were down five on three for eight minutes. So it was kind of like you're just watching the game. You're like, wait, as one power play ended, I'm like, all right, back to even circle. Like, oh, shit, they're still in the box with the five on three. So Bruins fans, they could be upset. Keith, you watched the game. I did not hear a whistle in overtime. Coop said after, I don't know what they're talking about. We heard the whistle. We heard like three or four whistles. But I was just as confused as the Bruins players were. because never in my life have I seen Poshinok's back-checking a 2-on-1 and gives a little stick check. I don't know if you're calling it. That one looked – I was trying to look for the penalty. I didn't like that one. If you've handed the other team eight minutes of five-on-threes and then you call that rinky-dink shit an OT and then all of a sudden you're – I don't know what was going on. Maybe that little ball and the whistle got stuck for a hot second. Sometimes it gets stuck and you can see the ref going, do it for me, Ant. No, you could do that hard whistle. They had the one angle where you could see the ref. He was trying to blow the whistle. I don't know if it was going or not, but he was definitely trying to blow the whistle. But it went, I mean, that's a five second. How long does it take those guys to skate down the ice? That's a while. But McAvoy was yelling at the ref, too, while he was trying to blow the whistle. McAvoy said, oh, I just figured it was on Tampa. He's like, because McAvoy did not hear a whistle. and he was right and Poshnok it was a joke yeah that was that was the Bruins and their fans they were disgusted and I agree with you like they that shouldn't have been a call on OT he goes down buries a snipe um and then all of a sudden I'm like what is going on right now and not only is the goal take out pasta's going to the box and it's like holy shit they ended up getting to the shootout that shot by uh Gensel in the shootout that is the new thing and I shouldn't say new but True snipers, they don't shoot like high glove. They shoot an inch left to the goalie's ear. And it's not even really near their glove. It's like they'd have to have the greatest shoulder shrug of all time to save this. And it was just the perfect shot. And Bazzy stood tall. And all of a sudden, Tampa's getting out of there with two points. But the entertainment factor. Now, I would love to get Mark Messier with true snipers. Mark, what do you think when they told you to dress up as a pirate? because the funniest thing was it turned into such a great game that they're giving legit analysis, and he's – what's the guy from Pirates? Jack Sparrow. Yeah, he's Jack Sparrow on it, and he's probably like, I got 16 Stanley Cups in all these records, and I'm dressed up like a pirate, and I don't know what the hell's going on. I think he's a silly guy like that. I think he embraces it. You mentioned the guy shooting where the goalies' ears are now. This is what goalies are going to start doing in the offseason, just traps. Just full-on trap exercises, so they come in looking like that. They're going to have Abdul Carter's neck, the New York Giants player we met at the Penn State game. Oh, yeah, he did have a huge neck. Holy shit. Also, she's telling me that Coop's outfit was an ode to the Cuban heritage. Ybor City in Tampa is one of the first major Cuban hubs in the United States dating back to the 1800s. And Tony Montagna was Cuban, so I guess we're both right. Yeah, Montagna. but that was also in Miami okay American gangster Coop what if Coop got busted he was one of the biggest drug lords and just was doing this side gig to distract everybody Canadian snowboarder he is an RA so it would make sense oh okay you think RA is a drug mule for him you brought up RA who's still locked out of Twitter he's a drug gul ghoul you're a drug ghoul Justin Williams hacked by the same person on Twitter. The same Tesla buy. The same everything. Comments shut off. Poor Mr. Game 7. Now has that with RA. It's like the great handshake meme of being just completely hacked by a Tesla supporter and an Elon Musk supporter. So Justin Williams, down for the count on Twitter. Like our ghoul friend RA. But what do you guys think about RA's on the Epstein list? he might really flip his shit when he hears you say that the Epstein list didn't think we were getting to that so early in the show or at all Trump said China's taking over Canada and that he's going to end ice hockey you're not even actually going to the games in two weeks it was cancelled I should fucking challenge Trump about what the tariffs fucking winner takes all we get Pink Whitney back in Canada exactly We get to keep hockey, we get Pink Whitney back in Canada, and then no more tariffs. And then he can't spray tan for a year, so you get pale Trump. Did you see the dog chirp Eric Johnson? That was hilarious. He was very tan. Was that a tan? Was that a fake tan? No, I think that he's just like, now that he's retired, he's doing TV and he's getting to go on vacation. He was just spending all that money he made. Eric Johnson must have easily made over $50 million, no? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Forever, yeah. Probably close to what Yann's made. Someone that we were with who doesn't know a ton about hockey, he showed me that clip. He's like, the players usually chirp announcers like this? I'm like, no, they played together. I'm like, they're buddies. He's doing this as a joke. He's like, oh, my God, that is so funny. Well, actually, that's literally all they do nowadays. Yeah, thanks to you. back to the stadium series game the excitement level and Biz you were just talking about this before we started recording of a goalie fight now I didn't know or was it you Yantz I thought you were kind of kidding around a couple years ago with the flurry being stopped from fighting that the league was actually giving out memos don't let goalies fight yeah I mean it does kind of make sense like these if I was an owner I wouldn't want my you know goalie the backbone of your team going out there and breaking his hand because they don't essentially know how to fight right like but that's also one of the other things like you're not going to really get hurt with these guys there's no more Ray Emery's there's no more uh Bouches or Gar Snow's like the real killers like these guys are just out there you could see like they were laughing having a good time the guys on the bench were losing their mind like pastas like hugging his teammates so I think it's awful as long as no one gets hurt it's like your mom used to say as long as no one gets hurt have fun but uh it's one of those things. We need two a year. I think a league mandate needs to be sent out. We need two goalie fights a year. Whoever wants to do it can sign up early in the season and get it done. Oh, man. When you say nobody gets hurt, when Vazzy lined up as a lefty, I was like, oh, shit. And you could tell Swayman's arm. Swayman had no grip on anything. He threw a left ball missed. Then Swayman blocked one. Then he actually connected with one. But I think if the first one hits him, we're actually having like full-blown meltdown by Don Sweeney right now. And maybe some other people that are like... Oh, yeah, Ken Campbell would be fucking going banana lands. He was tweeting about it afterward. Now, going back to what you teed up Yans with, like, one, they would never promote the goalie fights. Like, you would never see NHL accounts reposting these crap. Or any fights, really. Or any of them. And we heard that they were basically like, anytime the goalies want to line up and scrap, if you're the linesman, get in the way, break it up, where they need to embrace this. This is part of our, hey, do we need this happening like once a week? No, that's overkill. And because of the uptick of it, I'm sure you're going to see more and more of them just based on the amount of attention and clicks they're getting, especially in these kids at junior level. We're going to see a few more before the end of the year. You can guarantee that. but I mean just the the scene of the crowd and how amp they are and the uproar as soon as they're going at each other the funny thing is a swayman who was pissed off that they came at his net he still had the stick lodged in his pants as he was skating over and he dropped all the shit so before right before they ended up squaring off he had to take the stick out but um yeah white Tyson just absolutely unloading and that was kind of how I learned in junior the hard way is I squared up with the guy we started throwing and next thing you know he fucking he's throwing left so i'm like what the hell i didn't even know people could throw with the other hand and next thing you know my nose is on the other side of my head so uh shout out to them though the fact that they like afterward in the handshake line they like buddy buddied and chatted with each other that's the the the camaraderie camaraderie we're talking about that's what makes hockey so special the fact that you're going out there you're laying it on the line you're essentially trying to kill each other and the And then if that game ends, you're showing all the respect in the world after competing like that. So that was such a cool moment and gesture. And it does suck for Boston. Once again, I didn't watch the game, so I can't speak to all the penalties. I saw the clip of the pasta one that he got called. I thought that that was bullshit. But Boston is the most penalized team in the league. They have the most penalized team. So that's a tough combo. Which is surprising with how much success they've had. But typically in the past, Boston has always been that structured team that gets good goaltending and has special teams buttoned up, and they win those 3-2 games. They keep it fairly low scoring, and they get the job done. So for whatever reason, their PK has been atrocious. They've come unhinged as far as how many penalties they're taking. So they've got to look internally and address that, because if they don't, they're going to start slipping. It's going to start costing them at some point. but nonetheless a 6-5 shootout victory and we just got unbelievable outdoor games all weekend long do you think now that these goalies might be fighting more that they'll start to have to at least serve the five minutes because the fact that they don't get any repercussions I didn't know that until last night because I thought when Bob fought Nadelkovic Bob went to the locker room both guys did he did and then he came back calm things down to get the penalty stored and stuff. I do love the concept that you're talking about where the goalies would have to serve the five because all of a sudden you add the element of, oh my god, two cold goalies. They should say, get in net, you can stretch your groin for 30 seconds, and then let's fucking go here. We're starting this game up. Or maybe if they don't, then they'll never fight. If they do have to serve the penalty, then they'll never fight, so maybe we keep it the way it is so we get more. Yeah. I think it's at the point, and I know we've done it a little bit because their season's been great in Tampa, but Kucherov is on another planet again. He now has 50 points his last 22 games. He's leading the league in points per game. and this one tweet by Matt Larkin says that years from now we're going to look back at him as insanely underrated which is crazy to say for a guy with a heart and three Art Rosses but it's true it is crazy I don't think he's going to look I think he's going to go down as one of the best Russians I think he's going to go down as top three to five Russians ever like you look at me I would put him at this point I would put him above Fedorov yeah Ovi's number one and then you're starting to make a discussion right where Kuch is next you could call Ovi the greatest goal score of all time you might say that surpasses them automatically but if I got a chance to pick either player I'm picking Kuch and I think that you're going to get that 8 or 9 times out of 10 who you taking Kuch or Datsuk Datsuk was fucking dominant man He was one of those guys that did everything. Datzouk was better all around. Datzouk was incredible. That's a great question, Yance. And he played in a more difficult era, like physically a little bit more low scoring. So I think from a points perspective, what Datzouk was doing with how much effort he was putting defensively, I have, oh, God. Sometimes you roll your eyes when people say stuff like he could have had more points. but every guy in Detroit I've ever talked to said that's who could have had 100 points a year if he wanted to. So the defensive aspect, that is a great question. But Koos with the puck, and his ability to just look so slow and smooth, not look slow, you know what I mean, though, look just like he slows the entire game down, and then his vision, that shot he had, I think that was to tie it up. The post? Oh. He was a complete rocket. I guess some Bruins fans are like, Swayman should have had that one. But still, it's just a rocket one-timer, perfectly placed, and he just does it in the playoffs, too. That one season, he missed the whole season, led the playoffs in scoring, Peter Forsberg style. And the fact is, he's getting rest over the Olympic break. Now, so he's going, now who knows if he's going and ripping it up somewhere, but based on how we hear his dedication level being near the top of the game, you think he's just going to come back and be even better. and just to see this run he's on right now like it is when i say underrated like you've said many times like you know mckinnon's the best the last two years then yeah mcdavid's right there he's he's incredible like we don't talk about cooch like we talk about those other guys not just saying you but everyone yeah i just um i the reason i talk about mckinnon the way i talk about him is because just when you watch, I find him just more fascinating from like an effort and how he's like trucking out there and he's just zipping around. And I would say he's like better at like retrieving his own pucks. And I'm not trying to disrespect Cooch and say he's like weak on pucks or anything like that. Like I just think that like you, I just feel like McKinnon's more everywhere where he like Kucherov's getting it more done mentally and effortlessly. What's Kuch's points per game compared to Ovechkin? Because I'll take that back. I wouldn't say eight or nine people out of ten would pick Kuch, but I think it would be a coin flip between him and Ovi if you're going to win a championship. Clearly now that that's the case, based on how dominant the glory years of Ovi when he was physical and trucking guys and scoring 60 a year. Those are tough to compete with. But I think by the time it's all said and done, and the way that Cooch plays, I think he could probably get it done a lot longer. He could. Yeah, he's – I mean, Ovi's played 21 years. But he's 1.26 career points per game, and Ovi's 1.08. Yeah, but I meant, like, in a sense of, like, yes, he's still scoring goals, but like you could, Ovi has not had one D zone start all season long. I saw five on five. I saw that. Five on five. He has not had one. But I don't understand that. He hasn't been out there for an icing. No, they let him change. When you break the record, you're allowed to just change it. Unless I'm getting fucked with online. But it's also too, like we talk about the award stuff, like the Ted Lindsey, what means more. Like Kucherov has the respect in 32 locker rooms amongst his peers that people know how good he is and what he does to a game. Maybe he doesn't get talked about in media as much as the McKinnons, McCars, McDavid's, but throughout locker rooms, everyone knows what he brings to the team. Yeah, but it was a great game, man. It was super entertaining. First Sunday in a long time with no football, and you get that. We're not only taking over their fucking Sundays, we're taking their stadiums too. getting our goalie fights I want to see the numbers on that I guess my final thing was I got it did the shot at intermission that was one of the most awkward things I've ever witnessed on TV for people who didn't see it the hole is the size of the puck and I believe it was like they were going to give it was like funny. That's not even funny. Because the way this lead came off on this one, I'm like, no wonder this is all over Twitter. I was thinking the same thing. I think if the kid hit the shot, it was like the $100,000 donation to a cancer charity or organization was going to be $500,000. They gave him the second shot, and then it was going to be a million if he hit it the second shot, and they ended up giving $200,000. I'm like, I think you just got to give the million. It's like, miss the shot. It's okay. This cancer organization is still getting a million. Yeah. It's like, oh, sorry you missed the fucking three-inch hole from the bar blue line. It wasn't even the red line where R.A. hit it from. I think if you gave Kucherov 50 tries, he wouldn't have made it once. They make him do like a dude perfect. He's not like outside the stadium. They get a million dollars. It's like the golf courses. It's like, hey, if you sink it in this hula hoop that you make with your hands, we give you half off your round, and they shoot it, and you swallow it away. That was the only miss. Yeah, that was a tough one. And it's unfortunate that that happened. But, hey, nobody's perfect. Maybe they reconcile, and they do it now based on the blowback. Yeah, the cancer donation as the carrot in front of the horse, It's like, I don't know if that's the point. In fine print, it said, if you miss, you got to pay. So that guy ended up having to pay the league. Yeah. He didn't even hit the net. But, I mean, I don't think I did either when we did it in Chicago. Shout out that broken stick they gave me. But a great game. A great game and a fun night. And it turned out awesome. And the fact that the weather, I think it was 41 degrees at puck drop, which is the average of the last six outdoor games in the NHL. So it couldn't have worked out any better. Someone said it might have been the coldest day in Tampa Bay, like on record in the history of Tampa Bay. Besides the day Coop brought in his 19 kilos. Yeah, that was colder. That was the coldest day. But, yeah, after that, it was number two. That's true. So breaking news this morning, just before we get to Penn State, maybe we could save that. But shocking, out of nowhere, Elliott Friedman. just Elliot Friedman just drops bombs he drops a tweet I'll never forget Taylor Hall traded PK Subban traded Elliot Friedman just dropping bombs all of a sudden we find out Barry Trotz he's done he's done in Nashville I just read another tweet saying he's retiring he doesn't want to coach no he's going to be playing net because of the traps and necks he's got they got to move him there for the way the guys are shooting in the shootout according to you guys My thing is, he's the second GM in the history of the Nashville Predators. David Poyle has been there since day one. He's still on board there, right? Poyle as an advisor or whatever it is. My thing is, did Trotz really get a fair shake? Did he get to have his own fingerprints on that team? Or was Poyle kind of there guiding him? You don't know. I feel kind of bad for him being in that position where it's like, okay, you're going into this place that's only ever had one GM, and guess what? He's still kind of around. So, like, is he walking on eggshells, or is he doing exactly what he wanted? That's a great question. I would think that the Marshall So and Brady Shea and Stamco signing was him. You know, he took over. They make these big moves. They didn't work out, although they're still fighting right now this year, but last year was a disaster. And the timing of it is what I'm so confused about. Like, we're leading into the deadlines in a month. the break starts here in a couple days yeah you got to think that unless all of a sudden he's like I just lost the passion for this which in the middle of the season just doesn't make sense there had to be some sort of disagreement whether with ownership or maybe Poyle is involved we're totally speculating here and just trying to figure out that it was a bizarre time decision I don't know maybe going into the deadline there could be people that want to hang on to these guys and want to continue trying to ride this out and and there could be a group of people or one guy say we got to trade whatever we can and and keep on to a couple younger players and really reload and i i don't know but to see that happen this morning it's just odd i guess he's he is going to kind of hang around while they find his replacement so that's even a little more awkward um i think who's like a gm out there that's not hired right now that's looking like i'd bring in Ray Whitney 100% bring in Ray Whitney yeah he would be a great guy I think he's looking to he wants to do that for a job now gee you said beforehand I don't know where you read it or where you heard it like all of a sudden the deadline's coming up and like yeah you you don't want if you're not aligned with what you think this guy is going to do or wants to do that he's communicated you're like ah that's kind of the final straw and exactly why we're doing it before that point in time. But another thing too is, maybe Trotz's idea is, hey, let's not give up on this season. They went through that crazy one where they had the U2 tour when they went on that rip towards the end. He's probably seeing what Columbus has been able to do after they brought in Mason Marchment and one quick tweak and then all of a sudden they're rolling. There's just so many people clawing for those playoff spots that I think it's unlikely that they find themselves in on the inside, but I don't know. We've seen a few other GMs get the short end of the stick a little early this year, and I've seen other teams have turned it around. Do you guys know who the first captain in National Predators history was? David Leguan? No, no, no, no. Hold on. Is it like a crazy name that's random? Oh, is it Tom Fitzgerald? Tom Fitzgerald. So there's a conspiracy theory out there right now that if the Devils were to part ways with Fitzy, who knows? He could come in and be the next GM of the NFL players. Where did you read that one? On Twitter. I'm down with that. That's all right. Okay. Do you think that they're ready to move on from him? And I know Pasha. Well, I mean, if I'm getting blamed for chasing Marner out of town, Pasha better be getting blamed for chasing Fitzy out of town. Pasha gets you get blamed for everything. I texted Pasha this morning. I said, would you rather Barry Trotz or Tom Fitzgerald as your GM? I was thinking, oh, maybe Trotz will go to Jersey. He said I'd rather RA as my GM than Tom Fitzgerald right now. That's correct. Posh's loss is mine, man. He's like completely unhinged. Way more than I've ever been with the Leafs. I mean. And you know what's even crazier is everybody online and talking shit about how trash the Maple Leafs are and how all those people, including you guys, have the Vegas Golden Knights as basically a cup contender. they have the exact same amount of wins. The exact same amount of wins this season. I don't have, who said Vegas? Tall. Besides Liam Blutman, the GOAT. And even Bloody's quitting on his team now. I did see a tweet, you brought this up, so I saved this one. Modern era trades between Toronto and Boston. We're not doing this. Considering Fraser Minton was named NHL rookie of the month. Okay, that's fine, I don't care, I'm just going to read them. Boston has got from Toronto Duke Arask 2010 first rounder which was Tyler Sagan 2010 second rounder Jared Knight 2011 first rounder Dougie Hamilton Thomas Cabriolet Frazier Mitten a conditional 2026 first round pick and a 2025 fourth round pick some big time names there just incredible and yeah business team sucks but that's our Leaf Talk for this week you can come back yeah you can come back Biz we're done wait so what was the first trade it was the I mean no and remember that OT winner like Bergeron sorry but and then this year the first round is top 5 protected right so they'll probably be in number 6 if it's Toronto's luck they'll come in 6th place this year or get the 6th overall pick and the Bruins will get some stud that no one's ever heard of. But, yeah, good for them, I guess. And, Bids, you know what? I'm a man of honor, so I saved another tweet, right? And I should read it. When we're dogging the Leafs, I should read this one, too. Is it the fact that Edmonton's lost to all the top teams? They're like 0-6? Read what? It wasn't. The one of those are combined 0-6 against Colorado, Dallas, and Minnesota, and have been outscored 34-12 in those six games. And by the way, your cup-contending Oilers only have three more wins than my Toronto Maple Leafs. So it's crazy. I sent out a tweet just being positive about the win in Vancouver, and I get flooded with people being like, you're a fucking idiot. You're a fucking loser. You suck. Don't kill yourself. Oh, sorry. Sorry. My bad. Holy fuck. I'm just trying to fucking congratulate my team on a win here. Keith Berners. Yeah, sorry about that. I was a little upset. But if the Oilers don't get the Kings in the first round, they might be done there, witty. The Oilers got trounced by Minnesota. That boosh clip. The boosh clip of the Brock Faber goal. Beautiful goal. It was like a... You know in practice when you do a drill, maybe you swing through the neutral zone, you get a pass, and then there's just a coach there that you just have to skate around. Yeah. Fly a little pressure. He does like a half stick check. Yeah. He didn't even throw the stick check in. He did on the other way. He gave him a little slash on the other side. Boots had just hit the post, and I don't think he was over hitting the post. I think his brain was still like, that should have gone in. It was the perfect shot. I'm going to let you go right ahead here, Faber. And Faber then went far down. That was sick. Yeah, but I think also Jari mentioned after the game, we have to stop giving up so many grade-A chances. I don't love that. Oh, no. Oh, no. Didn't they put him on waivers? I didn't read that one. Don't love that. Yeah, there's some questions there. Still haven't heard back from Stauff. So, yeah, basically, yeah, my life as an Oilers fan right now is a disaster. They were looking to win four in a row, too. That would have been pretty cool. But Mini, Mini is incredible. I think second-best record in the league. I saw something that mentioned they were like 25th to 28th-ish in de-scoring, and then Quinn Hughes came, and they're like one now. So this guy has been everything that you could have imagined as a while. You couldn't even have imagined that he'd be this good. Like when they got him, I don't even think people saw this. I have a hot take. Every game, he gets points. He has the puck. The only bad thing that's happened to him is that spill he took in warm-ups, which is an all-time ball. He stepped on the puck. I sent it to Skuderi right away. Skudds and I overfalls. We'd laugh for fucking hours. And he goes, that's an all-time classic right there. So there's nothing more embarrassing than falling in warm-ups. You could get blown by in a one-on-one during the game, game seven. I'd rather fall in a game seven, get beat, than in warm-ups, because warm-ups, it should never happen. I'd rather Lex Steele crush my wife than fall in warm-ups. What about getting stepped on in warm-ups by Halsey? Oh, God. that and the stitches than the fall because it didn't look oh I guess he fell before it boys I have a hot take I don't know if you guys are going to be able to handle this one I would go get a glass of milk the Norris race is tighter and more interesting than the MVP race this season I like that I agree with you I think that Wierenski owns the Norris race right now Bud you can't deny it I know but I don't care if it's a Hughes, Makar, and Wierenski. Give it to all three of them. I would be okay with that. Quinn Hughes is like, he's already set the franchise record in Minnesota for three or, I think, maybe four assist games. Yeah. Like, he's been there for fucking four weeks. I think Celebrini being somewhat in the middle of the MVP race makes that a little bit more exciting to me. Yeah. And we're going to get to see if McDavid and McKinnon somehow end up within like two or three points of each other. Like who gets those votes, right? Like that's going to be that's that's going to be an argued. That'll be the analytics community's wet dream because they can go on tangents for each guy. And you can have a blatant winner for each guy. So, well, at least we'll have a use for posher going under the hood because he ain't going to be doing anything for the Jersey Devils. this playoffs. Should they do a Ted Lindsey type award for the D-man? Like a player's vote on a Bobby Orr or a Ray Bork- I'd rather a defensive defenseman award. Yeah, that's true too. That's what I want to see. It's like the best shutdown D-man in the league. And then if you win both, it's like, holy shit, this is a Nick Lidstrom. Right? Weber. That's what I think is so fascinating about these guys are playing against the best lines every night. Like, Wierenski's great defensively. McCarr closes on guys. Like, Quinn Hughes isn't a liability out there. Those other two are, I would say, are better. But it's a three-headed monster right now, boys, and it's fucking sick. I do. We went to Nashville with the GM news of Trott, and we talked about this in one of our hot stoves. And for anyone who doesn't know what a hot stove is listening, It's just getting together with your buddies in the hotel room, beers, and just chatting. And we had one, I think it was three in the morning. I don't know why we did that. It was a solid four hour where we went through the entire Phoenix Coyotes roster for four years. And just, I got to hear stories about all these guys and all those teams. A great hot stove. But in that hot stove, I think we poured out a drink for Kevin Adams. And what the Sabres have done and how bad I feel. I feel horrible for him. And I don't get it. I'll never get it why a new GM comes in and says nobody's safe, and then they've turned into one of the best teams I've ever seen the last 25 games. But I feel for the guy. He built this team, and if they just turned it around 10 days prior, he might be sitting there finally laughing at all the haters like me and saying, look at what we're doing. So just wanted to shout that guy out. Oh, yeah. And I think it's probably like a 25-30 team, if not even more, maybe in the hundreds tie. But that 23-game stretch they just got over where they had a ridiculous record, it was the fourth best record in the 100-year league history that a team's ever had. Crazy. A possible like 41 of 48 points. So just remarkable what they've done. And I agree with you, they've gotten completely hosed. And I just love those hot skills going over all the guys to play with in the hockey DB. Just the best. And, and, and, and we, we spoke to it in there. It's amazing what Don Maloney did and just bringing good guys together. And when you do that, I think your, your opportunity to win, despite maybe not being even as talented as other teams goes way above and beyond. So even that year where we ended up winning the division, I think we were, we were pegged to finish like second last in the whole conference. So it was a, it was a remarkable year, but with that said, we should probably move on to Penn state and go over that outdoor game and that experience. Can I bring up one thing before we get to Penn state? Absolutely. Because it involves Buffalo and it's all, it's all flowers and sunshine and pink Whitney. Oh, I know where you're going with this. Until I witnessed. Yep. The Montreal Canadiens score a goal in Buffalo, and a sea of red jumped to their feet going bananas. And I couldn't believe it. I thought it was the Bell Center. I knew it was in Buffalo, and I went to NHL.com just to make sure. And I said, holy shit. And it got to the point where, like, Dahlien addressed it after the game. Not happy. It was ridiculous. Now, Buffalo fans have been coming at me saying those tickets were purchased by Montreal fans when Buffalo sucked. Okay? So I kind of get that. But I don't know. You can't. I agree with Darlene or whoever. You can't let this happen. They have to somehow figure out a way to make sure that never happens again. So I had never noticed it previous. So I would assume over the past couple seasons they must have had that. But the thing is, Montreal is really good now too. So I would imagine that that was amplified. But I also thought that Darlene handled it perfectly. He said, we really appreciate the fans coming. You guys have been awesome. But let's just not see that again. And now hearing that those were purchased when they were shit and people were getting ahead of it makes a little bit more sense. But my God, I don't think I've ever seen a team in the NHL in playoffs be taken over that much in their own building in the lower bowl. Like, Leafs fans in Ottawa, nope, never seen it that bad. I thought the fucking game was at the Bell Center. Look at this picture somebody sent me from the game. I mean, that's at the top, too. It's just now Montreal fans, they're loving themselves right now. Oh, yeah. Ottawa mentioned it. I forget who on Ottawa mentioned it. And now it happened in Buffalo. So the Canadians fans and the cock, Cole Caulfield, just scoring game after game after game. And the clips coming out of, did you see the clip of St. Louis talking to Slavkovsky about how to turn as that middle bumper guy? And then the next game, it might have been eight hours later. Again, he did it? He turns exactly as the way St. Louis town him. And Caulfield gives him the puck. Bink. It was in Buffalo. Do you think that it's, because, Biz, I think it was you saying when you were a kid, you would go to Buffalo game because it was cheap. I think it's even closer for you. But do you think it's one of those things where – I know Montreal is always a hard ticket to get, but do you think it's even harder now because they're doing really well that people are like, hey, it's easier for me to go to Buffalo or to Ottawa and just put on an extra three-hour drive? Oh, for sure. And just in that pocket, there's still so many Habs fans too. I mean, there's Habs fans everywhere. I feel like the Habs are like – is Steelers a good example? in the NFL. They have just one of those fan bases that are rapid. They travel like crazy. Bill's fans are Raiders. Raiders fans are usually pretty hardcore, although they've been shipped for many years. Yeah, it's a lot cheaper. It's a great location. I heard that at one point they were going back to charging at par. So if you were Canadian and you were going over, if a ticket's $50, they were taking your $50 Canadian, which is like $37 US. So Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure I heard that they were accepting tickets at par. Just like the casinos in Vegas? Didn't you say the casinos in Vegas are doing this? There's three of them right now, I think, taking Canadian dollar at par. Yeah, maybe that's what I read. That was a dry saddle Cologne, Germany starting a Cologne thing that you just made up? Yeah, no, I think that's actually what I read. You're right, Jans. I knew I saw something at par so I just assumed it was that we were used to it in Phoenix you'd get teams coming down because it's warm weather in Florida I think it's crazy that they're going to these it's not like a warm destination you're traveling to go to Buffalo and Ottawa that's wanting it the Eastern Conference we got a separation going between the top 8 and the rest of the in-the-hunt teams, which was great. ESPN had the graphic up of in-the-hunt, didn't even have the Devils in the hunt. I touched my hog and literally let out a loud noise when I saw the Devils not even in the hunt because of Pasha. But Buffalo, it looks good. We're not going to say anything for sure. It looks good. I've seen many times where other sports have banned the teams that they're playing against, fans, from buying tickets. I can't think of anything in particular right now, but I know I've seen that where, hey, people from Boston can't buy tickets to this game or whatnot. Like the Yankees, they might have done it. Buffalo has to do that. They cannot, we cannot get this first playoff in 15 years and have other fans, whether it's the Wings or the, who else could they play? Toronto. Tampa, right now, I think right now they play Tampa. Either way, we cannot have that happen. and a guy who would make sure that would not happen, I think, is Terry Pagula. We just went to the house that Terry Pagula built at Pagula Arena at Penn State. We went to Beaver Stadium. It's very funny. Every interview you did, you were like, I love the Beavers, I love the Beavers. Did you think that was their nickname? At first, yeah. Yeah. I think he just meant he loves Beaver. Yeah, that could be it too, a little brainwashed. Yeah, true. What a job that they've done. And I had no clue what that place was about. And I was blown away. And I got to say thank you for the hospitality to every single person that took care of us. Yans, your buddy Frank was unbelievable. Brought us to that like underground society dinner, which I don't think, probably the best meal in town for sure. Oh, yeah. It gets so busy there on crazy weekends where some people can't even eat because everything's so packed. So we were taken care of. they rolled out the red carpet. The game was incredible. The facilities were amazing. McKenna was, was a, such a fun interview. And I mean, we can kind of go, go through the rest of it. Like probably the greatest in game college hit of all time where they said, gee, gee, why don't you come on and talk about it and what you went through? Yeah. So it was kind of crazy. So we had just done the intermission hit with game notes in between the first and second period. and so right after that they're like hey do you uh do you want to jump into the student section it was supposed to be pre-recorded before the game but we didn't really get in there in time so they're like you want to just jump in the student section right now we'll try and figure this out I was like sure why not let's go up there so they walked me up there and if you look the whole student section is white I'm in a section the section they put me in it's all people in black jackets they put me in the section section with the foreign exchange students no one spoke English so I got in there And I'm like, hey, guys, like I'm with Big Ten Network and Barstool, like I'm about to be on TV. And they just looked at me like I had 10 heads. And one of the girls next to them was like, hey, like they all speak Spanish. They don't speak English. Just a heads up. I'm like, oh, great. This is going to go amazing. So they had me look up at one of the cameras, which is not looking up at the ice. It's like looking up at the press boxes. So I start the hit and I'm like, oh, we're here. 70,000 people. I point to means. I'm like, this guy has this guy's been tailgating all day. he can't find his wife anywhere. And then the crowd starts going insane, starts going crazy. So I'm like, I'm on a jumbotron. I'm fucking crushing this. This whole stadium's going nuts for me right now. So I'm like, let's fucking go. And I'm thinking right now, I'm the reason the stadium just erupted. So the hit ends, I walk off and I go over to the producer and she gives me a big hug. She's like, that was the best hit we've ever done. I can't believe it. Like McKenna, that was insane i'm like what do you mean mckenna and she's like gavin mckenna scored in the middle of your hit i'm like what this is unbelievable the best student section in the country why didn't you look at the ice he was too into it i had the i have the and they said you have to look up to the press box because that's where the camera is. We need you looking at the camera. So I had to be looking up this way while the ice is over here. So at no point could I have looked at the ice and then I'm like, oh my God. You thought you were getting the crowd hyped. Yeah, I thought it was all me. What timing. What timing. The picture of you guys and with memes behind you, he looks like a 35-year-old foreign exchange student from London, Canada, is so fucking funny to me. It's unbelievable. But the fact that you thought they were going crazy for you, it just means they took care of us too good if you thought that they were really, really bringing that up for you. Oh, yeah. And it was pretty cool because I've never really been a part of a broadcast like that before. So then they had me doing the in-game interviews with the coach from the bench. So I got to talk to Godowski. It was really cool because we had a cool embrace where he gave me a big hug after. and I'm like, man, look around at this. Like, you guys were a club hockey team 15 years ago. You got 70,000 here at Beaver Stadium, and you could see in his face, he's like, wow, fuck, man. Like, this is absolutely crazy. So shout out to the Big Ten Network. It was cool for them to let us be a part of the broadcast. I think that if moving forward, they're able to do another one. They should be doing this every other year, or at least be doing one Big Ten outdoor game every single year. They should have televised that. It's got to be national television. It ended 5-4 in overtime, and then there was that. What's the kid's name? He had the hat trick. He was a high first-round pick. Strammel? Strammel. Minnesota Wild. He's a kid I could see getting dealt at the deadline. The Minnesota Wild. I mean, Charlie Strammel's stock is as high as ever right now. Minnesota Wild, they're going to go for a playoff run. Don't want to take away from him. Panarin? Hey. You never know. One for one? Yeah, he's big. And that Porter Martone, you know, Michigan State went in there and swept him. um, Riker Lee, that kid's nasty, I said if he doesn't make it in the NHL, I will retire from the podcast and never give a hockey take again, that's how sure I am that kid, he reminds me of Oshie, I don't know if he's that physical, but the skill and the, he was sick, um, and then interviewing McKenna was great, he was a great kid, like, you could tell, very humble, and um, I was, it was brutal, like the first night he gets kicked out of the game, he gets kicked out of the Again, cross-checking a former Medicine Hat Tiger teammate in the head after an enormous hit on, I think, Aiden Fink, one of the best players on Penn State, Caden Lindstrom. Who's been hurt all year. Who's been hurt. Yeah, so it was like, shit, we don't even get to watch this kid play. And he came back and scored. He could play 20 years in the NHL. That might be the coolest picture that's ever taken of him on the ice, where he's down on one knee. You see the entire stadium packed. It says the Pennsylvania State. university, that side of the field. It was awesome. A great experience. I mean, I love the Big Ten Network. They didn't tell us that we were hosting, so we just went on waiting for questions to be asked, Biz, myself, and Keith, and then the guy started yelling at me, talk, talk, start talking. And then Biz said he put quaaludes in the Michigan State water bottles. Don't know how that was going to go over. And then he would sucker punch Charlie Strammel walking off the air. I don't think a sucker punch or quaaludes worked. No. I think you would have had to hit him with a couple of, what do you call those things? Tranquilizer darts. Yeah, you got a dart. He's pretty sure a pet detective. What about Merle's boys? I feel like we kind of buried the lead. I think we might be losing Merle's. I think the Penn State football team, I think he got hired by them. No. So Merle's, yeah, he is hired. I don't know if it's up on the website yet. He's the international scout for Penn State football. He said, if you bring me one giant Viking from Sweden or Germany or something, your job is done. That's all we need from you. So you know Merle's will be on that. The offensive coordinator, he told me and Keith, listen, I know you guys are Georgia Bulldogs fans. We need you on this side. If I can get you to commit to the Nittany Lions slash Beavers, you can call a play next year. So that's enticing. I'm not going to lie. If I get to call a play, I don't want it to be in a blowout. I want it to be in, like, a big game, a big Big Ten game, where we're calling maybe, like, a trick play, Keith. Yeah, like a fourth and one game on the line. We are calling that play, and it's going to work. Play at a tight end every time. I should have mentioned Ryan McDonough, because you said outdoor games for the Big Ten. He played in one in Wisconsin. He won. He's played in six in the NHL. He's won every one. So he's 6-0 in the NHL, 7-0 in outdoor games. That's a nice little stat to hold on to. That's pretty cool. Also, memes. Shout out memes. He went in the bookstore. He walked out with two full trash bags of Penn State stuff. I don't know if he has any money left, and I don't know if we'll ever see him in anything but Penn State. No, he filed for Chapter 6 bankruptcy. Yeah. I think he made in Pennsylvania, too. Yeah, he's working it off. He's doing dishes. I want to go back to Pittsburgh, where, Biz, you went after the game, spent the night. I know Crosby's one of the goats. He's incredible, everything he's done. The man is the best crier I've ever seen as well. That's something I didn't even have on my radar. One single tear comes down his cheek, and he wipes it away like a pro. And then they pan over to Malkin, and they pan over to Letang, who's out of the lineup. And the video of the 2016 Stanley Cup run by the Pittsburgh Penguins with the 10-year reunion for that team. That was awesome. What a moment. And I think for Sid, the guy doesn't seem like he's spending much time looking back on what he's done. That'll come later in life. He's focused on the here and the now. But what he was showing everyone and kind of realizing what they did and what they accomplished, that was a special moment. I would put that cry out there with NoSean Marino from the, I believe, Denver. Denver Broncos. during the anthem i would put that head to head for best cry uh right before a sporting event uh very cool um i actually ran into ben lovejoy at the airport the next morning he was going back he lives in new hampshire and he just talked about how amazing it was to see all the guys and um he's you know he's not doing anything right now he's coaching his daughter he's got three daughters one of them plays hockey one of them's very good at hockey and yeah what a what a great weekend that would be just to kind of see all the guys that you were able to achieve this incredible goal with and celebrate in style, especially when you don't have to worry about playing and you can just hit the pops and splurge on the food. But just going back to Sid and the emotions, you hear all these guys, and I know, Biz, you won the illustrious Calder Cup, but you see what it takes to win and what these guys give. And Sid's obviously one of only a few guys still playing from that team. like for him to be crying before a game that's something that happened to uh 10 years ago like what an amazing like to see your leader doing that those guys must have been like this is unbelievable and obviously the penguins do everything first class bringing all those guys back we talked to flurry right before we knew he was going back like they must have had the best weekend like those are the things when you retire i would imagine like getting to go to those 10 year 20 year anniversaries and be with the guys they must be looking forward to those dates every single year. I know a lot of you Penguins fans are on pins and needles and I'm going to be the bigger man here and say that I'm going to fully squash the Crosby to the abs rumors. The one you invented? I'm fully squashing. There's no chance this season that Pittsburgh trades Sidney Crosby to the Colorado Eagles. You can put that up on a quote board. Put that on a quote board. 100%. I love the verbiage I'm going to squash these rumors that I created I'm going to squash them all not true I'm going to be the bigger man here put the quote board up boys just quickly he's out for at least four weeks with a broken foot actually Sid and Gino were giving his boot a tap as they went out on the ice for the video but the Penguins they won the most games that the organization has ever won in January So, 91, 92, 08, 16, 17, all these cup champs. And this year's, one of the most shocking stories of the NHL season, the Pittsburgh Penguins set a record for most wins in January. It's been incredible. I don't know. I guess this isn't as bad for Columbus based on what they've done lately. But this Chinakov, this guy's incredible. And maybe just having Malcolm there, although there was the Russian mafia in Columbus, but it didn't work out. Penguins fans are over the moon about this guy. At the meet and greet, at Champs, all the Penguins fans, which is kind of cool. Penn State's right in the middle of Pennsylvania, so you get Flyers and Penguins fans. All the Penguins fans. I talked about Chinacob. I'm like, I don't know anything about Chinacob. Besides, I love saying his name, but he's a sniper. I thought you made it up. Chinacob. I thought you were going back to Trump's comments. I'm like, what? That's going to be one of those things where, like, he was probably, Malcolm was probably his favorite player growing up. and he goes, one of his favorite players, and getting the opportunity to go there, he's probably riding such a high, playing with, it's such a cool story for him. He's probably just loving life, coming to the rink every day, seeing Geno, and Geno's playing awesome too. So it's like, man, those type of stories are what can galvanize a team, and he's helping them win games. I wonder how many more games in the month of January they've played than during a normal season. Yeah, that's true. I don't know, but don't use my word ever again, please. China Calvinizes you. My word. You know, people may chart me he has eight points in 15 games, but he's got six goals. Six goals in 15 games. That's a nice, that's a 35-40 goal pace. So that's what we're going with on that, not just points. Biz, sometimes on the outline it'll just say, Biz has a message. It says, Biz has a message for Philadelphia Flyers fans. I think Philadelphia Flyers fans are completely unhinged online right now. Buddy, honestly, they're fucking morons. You can cold board that, too. What are they saying? And I ain't squashing those rumors. Well, I saw one comparing Miechkov to Lindros. That pocket's going to run the biggest superstar we've had since Eric Lindros out of town. So the Miechkov storyline, it's never ending. It's quite incredible. And I believe Talk was on a radio show or something saying, like, he came in out of shape. I don't know what you want me to say. What do they see in him that nobody else sees? Three draft scouting reports. Oh, okay. That's good. I don't feel like giving it my oxygen and energy anymore other than just saying they're fucking morons. Like, I don't, I'm not, like, you know it's bad when I'm not even arguing with you because I think you're that stupid. Like, I'll tell you right now. I'm a fucking moron. but you guys are, I would be, I would get into Harvard compared to how stupid these fucking people are and how much energy they're spending on this particular topic. And they're like, look at his course. He played only 10 minutes and look at all of his course and numbers here. Yeah, buddy. They're that fucking nice. Cause of the line matches in this situation. He's putting them in. Yeah. They're protecting them. He's protecting them. He's doing them a fucking favor. And all you're doing is trying to drag his name through. Oh, what has he done? Oh, he's a fucking year and a half removed from winning a Jack Adams. You're just sticking up for your friend. That's it. Did he text you and tell you to say that? I'm Rick Talkin. Take the face. Take the mask off. But he ain't even. That's the fucking thing. Like, hook me up to a lie detector test and ask me how many times that Rick Talkin's text me about meatstab. he's probably on Zoom calls with better help dealing with these fucking Flyer fans all day long spending all their time and energy on this you guys are not you weren't a playoff team it was all you were bringing up throughout the first part of the year when you were in a playoff spot and now it's unraveling and then all you want to do is hand him out of spite I would just I would legit play him 25 minutes every game for the rest of the season that's what I would do and I'm just, I'm over it. I'll go to war for talk. That's how much I love them. But these people are moronic. Do you agree with me? Do you not see what's happening online? It's all they want to talk about. I don't see it because I don't have Twitter, but there's nothing in the NHL that Rick Talkin hasn't done. He's been in the league since, what was his first year in the league, 1980? He's been in the league for 36 years. it's something that you cannot, he has seen everything, he knows how to handle stuff like that, he's been in the shit in Vancouver dealing with stuff going on there, let him handle this team, it's a process, it's not going to be fixed in one day or one year, it's a process for Meechkov as well, he's got to figure out the NHL, he's got to figure out how to be a good player every night, I think he's got the skill to do it, but you've got to give him time. And what they do with it is they take what I just said, oh you hate him you hate me I don't know how many fucking times I could scream from the mountaintops and say I don't hate this kid I don't I've watched him I'm squashing him okay do you have any feeling towards it Whit? I actually am kind of with you that we've talked about it so much I can't do it anymore but I've been open and honest about hating Flyers fans for quite a long time quite a long time I never had that level of hate for them, and I got it right now. You got it. Carolina Hurricanes, boys, it was kind of funny because I think on Friday night, or one of the nights, they had that incredible comeback against Utah. It was ridiculous. They scored, I think it was three goals in the last minute and a half. Yeah, so Utah's 30 mark. They're laughing, great road game, and all of a sudden the game over, no points. They lose. It was shocking. Stahl scored with 29 seconds up. So that was incredible. That was the game Bussie. He got 20 wins in his first 24 games, his first NHL goalie to ever do that. Awesome story. Then they ended up losing a 3-0 lead to the Capitals over the weekend. So it just shows how crazy this league is. But that was an electric comeback. And Gostis Bear, he has 48 points. He's unbelievable. 38 points in 38 games this year It's like this guy And I kind of forgot that he had over 50 points In Detroit a few years back He's just an offensive wizard You know who got rid of him You know who ran him out of town Billy The Flyers For him He's just done it Everywhere he went And no one really What's the longest team he's been on Let's check it out here. I know he was in Arizona for a bit. Like, this guy, he just puts up numbers. He does his job. Like, good for him. Just the will he has. His rookie year, he had 46 points in 64 games. This is with Philly. Then he had 39 and 76. Then he had 65 and 78 games. Then he had 37 and 78 games. And then he had 12 and 42. And then he got sent to the minors. So he actually was back with Philly the next year, but something happened. I don't know. Maybe it was the fans getting on him. We can blame the Flyers fans for Shane Gossespierre, losing his production levels at some point at the end of his tenure there. But the guy is just so good with the puck, and he has a cannon. So Carolina keeps trucking along. And I want to shout out Linus Allmark. He came back. Big win, 4-1. And who did they beat, Fizz? Who'd they trounce in that one? The Devils. Pasha's squad, 4-1 victory for Ottawa. So that was kind of cool. I guess that he'd been through a lot, right? We saw the interview. We saw those rumors. And all of a sudden, this guy's back in the net, and they get a win. So that had to make him as happy as anyone. Like, all right, I just feel like all that stuff's behind me. They still got a long way to go. And so does Florida. Florida, they blew that game to Winnipeg. I think they gave up a goal with like three minutes left. They lose that in regulation. And they're coming into a time here. I think Marshawn left the last game as well. I don't know if it was precautionary or not. But Florida's going to start running into like, ah, we got to get this thing going. And I don't know if they can. The answer? Yeah, it's like because after the break, like it's just going to be a sprint to the finish line, right? And is it going to be one of those things where it's like, okay, we ran out of runway here. But, I mean, we've talked about it, too. Did they just chalk this season up as, hey, it's a loss? If they go out there, I will be completely fine. If they go out to Olympics, Matthew Kachuks brings a gold medal to the United States. I am A-OK with them missing playoffs and taking a year off. Big C's might not be, but I'm with you. I don't want to see them in. Give me a year without the Panthers trucking through everyone, bullying the entire league. So I'm with you. I just, I still have this like disgusting feeling that they somehow get in, beat Tampa, and then it's like, oh, fuck. You see the videos of Barky back skating? I don't know. I mean, obviously it looked like he was going 40%. Yeah. But like, is he close to coming back? Is he going to be a guy? Are they going to make a big move if he's not going to be able to come back? Like, you just don't know what Zito has up his sleeve to get this team. Exactly. They're going to make a move. Oh, yeah. They're going to get that locker room of spark. We were hot-stoven, and we talked about some of these possible matchups. Seeing Detroit and Buffalo go out in the first round would be unbelievable. Please. The two heaviest sacks in the league for fan bases is ready to bust a nut going at it in the first round would be must-watch TV and so close in proximity. They're probably fucking riding the bust of a game. Another first round matchup that would be awesome. Pittsburgh and the New York Islanders, possibly. That rivalry going again. If that's a draw for Pittsburgh and they stick where they're at, if everyone stays out, I could see them making a run to at least the conference finals. Have you seen that before the year? No. They've got to go out and do something too, right? If they're still in this position, you've got to go out and get guys for Sid. How many more runs does he have? And you squash the rumors. He's not going to Montreal. They've got to get some guys in there. Why not Panarin? Why not Trocek, a guy from Pittsburgh? Let's get these guys in and get... I know, but they have a lot of prospects and picks. The dupe stock in business world keeps rising and rising, but it's like... It would rise even further. But you owe it to 87. You owe it to 87. I agree with the answer. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit about picks and prospects. That's true. And like I just said, they find themselves in a very unique situation right now, especially if they end up drawing one of the – like if they draw the Islanders first round, they're going to spank the Islanders in the first round. Just to the Islanders, everything that they've done, and then all of a sudden you would draw probably Carolina. We've seen what they've done to Carolina in the past. They swept them in the conference finals of the year. they won that first cup. That's just, I mean, everyone who plays Caroline in the conference final, they always swept their ass. Shout out Schaefer, Matthew Schaefer. He scored his 15th goal. He now has more goals than Bobby Orr did as an 18-year-old. Heard of him. So I believe when we went through the odds of Rookie of the Year with Murr, we were talking, he's like, Schaefer's minus 600. That'll probably be a stat that's mentioned when he collects the hardware for the Rookie of the Year. Like, yeah, I had more goals than Bobby Orr did when he was 18. Okay, here you go. Here's the calder. Keep it. You deserve it. I don't know why anyone mentioned I'm Demidov or anyone else for that matter. 15 goals. It's insane. Another fun fact since we're talking about cool shit. You live in with Matt Martin too. No. Nathan McKinnon passed Joe Sackick for an amount of multi-goal games over the course of a season. He's now had 13 multi-goal games this year. Wow. They worked Detroit over the weekend. In one fucking season. That's insane. 13? Yeah, that's... So, and how many of those are hat-tricks? That's a minimum of 26 goals right there. I'm sure a couple of the games were hat tricks. Maybe not, but how many goals does he have? 40 now. Okay, I thought 39. Holy shit. That's unbelievable. It's a pretty gnarly stat. So there's a great documentary that was just released on Netflix. Miracle. The Boys of 80. I was very excited to watch it. I was able to watch it on the flight home. Finished it when I got home late Saturday night. And I think there's some people like, oh, you know, there's so many things. There's the movie, There's been a couple other documentaries on the 1980 U.S. Olympic team. But this one was excellent. They had pretty much the entire team together at the rink in Lake Placid. So they have them on the bench. They're interviewing them. And they go really into, like, certain guys' lives, like their upbringings. Like Ken Morrow's dad had passed away. And he talks about him. He gets very emotional. Jim Craig's mom had passed away pretty close to when they named the Olympic team. And they talk about his relationship with his dad, how his dad was a broken man. and this entire Olympic experience kind of like brought joy back to his life. And they discussed Herb Brooks, and the coolest part about it, I don't want to say the most sad part, but it was a little, that the guys just say they wish they had gotten to know him a little bit. He was such, you know, they mentioned a couple guys that he was just a prick to play for, and he made it like us versus them. And we talked to Jack O'Callaghan, and we're going to be throwing it to you in a second here. But the guys were like, we never really got to know him. It was funny. I was with my dad when I got home. He stayed over. We were watching it. And he mentioned he met Herb Brooks. We played in the under 18 five nations in Salt Lake City the year before the O2 Olympics. Kind of one of those trial things they do. And Herb Brooks was there. So my dad got the chance to meet him and talk to him. And and he was saying, like, the coaches didn't get gold medals, just the players did. But I guess Tiffany made Herb Brooks and Craig Patrick their own gold medal. So that was kind of cool to hear. But just the way he coached and they go in there. In the documentary is Herb Brooks' son and daughter. So they kind of talk about it. And they have clips that have never been shown before. And it's crazy. They're in like HD. I don't know how they did it with the technology, the AI or whatever it was, and different sound bites and different videos of the Rushley game that hadn't been released. And I can't recommend it enough. It's awesome. It's a great, great film. Yeah, it was unreal. So just like the, I mean, you know the Miracle movie, but you don't know that much about, like, the guys and the whole Minnesota versus Massachusetts, New England, you know, kind of guys, they hated each other, and then they come together, and how Herb kind of was like, I want them to hate me so they don't hate each other, which obviously worked, what they got done. But, like, the whole, like, watching those games and seeing the Russian clips, like, there was some, I want to go back and just watch the games, because, like, that Russian team, what they were doing in some of those clips was it looked like you were watching a team in 2026 like they were making plays that guys are making now like what they did you know really you know now guys are playing like that in the NHL revolutionized the game yeah and the fact that you know Herb Brooks had the the foresight to be like we got to play like these guys I think it also gave Americans more of a chance to play in the NHL like guys like us with like where if that never happened it might be like it was early where It's a strictly, you know, 90% Canadian league. And, you know, like what it meant to USA hockey is so big. I think the Disney movie stuff obviously is great, but that kind of is like, okay, it's a movie. But seeing the clips of the guys talking and what it meant to them and like the clips of, you know, Jack O'Callaghan's family watching 19 people in a house and then Winthrop with Rizzioni's family, all these people, like what it meant to them is so cool. and hopefully USA can get one here this year and we can celebrate again. Yep, that was the last goal. Where was Squaw Valley though Squaw Valley 1960 California It in Cali okay I didn know where it was And Russell won every gold medal It was cool boys I mean 80 right This is five years before I was born So you watch the movie. You just assume after they beat the Russians, the tournament's over. And to just hear how it all proceeded and how they still had to win that next game. And this interview, you're going to hear a lot of in-depth stuff that I think a lot of the younger fans that listen to our podcast had no idea how it actually all went down. And, of course, you could watch that Netflix documentary as well. But getting to talk to Jack firsthand was very cool. And also, what a funny guy. Off character. Just a character. You mentioned the HD footage, and it's actually a pretty crazy story. I don't know if you guys follow Adrian Dater on Twitter. He covers the Colorado Avalanche. Yeah. He asked that unreal question a few years back. Yeah. You ever say, fuck it? he's been tweeting about how his dad was actually one of the guys who filmed those shots and they lost the footage and it's been in a warehouse in texas for the past 45 years and they recently found all that h no way isn't that crazy like those are unbelievable was it used in this doc they were all used throughout the doc where you're watching like wit said and you're like how the fuck have i never seen this footage before like there's been three documentaries about this. There's a Disney movie. Everyone's seen stuff about Miracle on Ice and these shots have never been seen because they've been hiding in a warehouse in Texas for the past 45 years. It's pretty crazy that they just found it. Some Munson bought it in Storage Wars. He's like, what is this? Heck, I just read that guy's on his fourth or fifth wife. Somebody, oh man, there was one tweet. I'll go find it. We'll talk about it when we come out of the interview. We talked about the reunion with Pittsburgh and all those guys sitting on the bench watching and just typical hockey guys. What was the backup goalie's name? Janicek, something like that. Yeah, Janicek. They were like, oh, there's Janicek, there's Janicek. And they were like, how did you know it was Janicek? And he goes, because they were scoring on me. But he was actually one of the coolest parts about the documentary is he was the only player biz on any Olympic hockey team in 1980 to not play one minute. But in the Olympic Village, he met a girl. He's like, I love this girl. Right from the start, they got married. They've had a family. He's like, I was the luckiest guy in that whole tournament. Really? Yeah. So he's been married ever since. So it was pretty cool. That's awesome. He seemed like the man, too. So with that, time to throw it over to an American hockey hero, Jack O'Callaghan. All right, boys and girls. Listen up, Roback is back for another year. We rocked their gear so hard in 2025. They basically had no choice but to run it back with the Chickles boys. They couldn't keep us out of the merch room. Let's start with the Roback Delta Pants. These things are absolute wagon makers. Even I have a butt in the Roback Delta Pants. I'm telling you, they make the caboose look like you've actually been training and doing squats, Crosby style. They're comfy. They stretch, and they've actually got room in the thighs for us hockey players. Just an unreal fit. And next up, the Roback Sprint Joggers. 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Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co slash audio. Limited time offer. It's an absolute honor right now to be joined by a very special man, a member of the 1980 U.S. Olympic gold medal team, former Boston University Terrier, and a man who played 389 regular season games in the NHL along with 32 playoff games, Jack O'Callaghan. What's going on? Hi, guys. Good to be here. How you doing? Oh, thank you. We're doing great. We're doing great. It's USA. USA. There's Biz saying that. USA. My mom was born in Chicago. We've got a legend on, and I can't wait to hear about this whole story. Yeah, so you just told us you're actually in Lake Placid right now. In Lake Placid, yeah. What's going on there? So, you know, they have a Herb Brooks statue kind of event tomorrow night. Yeah, so I'm the only one here. You know, all those Minnesota guys, no one shows. I show. I'm a Boston guy. Still got the hatred for him. I love it. They put a statue of a Jack Parker. Whitney, you'd be up here with me. 100%. I love it. Did you watch the Hall of Fame speech he gave this year? I did, yeah. I tried to. I was actually, I would have gone to Toronto, but I just had a previous commitment. I couldn't get away. but there are 40 guys up there, but I don't know. It's tough to get to Lake Placid, and for me, I've got three grandkids that live a couple hours south of here, so we spend the weekend up here. It's kind of fun. It's just really cold, really, really cold. Has it changed at all, like going back? Has it sparked all those amazing memories? I've got to tell you, every time I come here, it's one of the reasons why I love it up here so much. It's like you're going back in time. I think if you brought somebody up here from the 1932 Olympics, they'd probably say, oh, yeah, I remember that building. I remember everything. It's the same. It's just incredible. I feel so comfortable here and so easy it's just a wonderful place obviously what happened to Wes up here was pretty special so we've got a really tight connection with this place I just love being here, it's a terrific place and on top of that there's like a million hockey games going on, so there are kids and adults running up and down the street carrying bags and hockey sticks and it's like 10 below hockey players don't care him i love it i actually did the canna hockey school there back-to-back summers and i got to experience it the rubber guns remember the rubber band guns yeah but yeah before we get into all the olympic stuff uh you know our connection me and you charlestown guy you grew up with my dad just kind of want to talk about how you got into hockey and you know what it was like growing up in charlestown playing in hockey right uh you know all the all the misfits around there yeah yeah well you know thank god we had hockey right otherwise we would have ended up in walpole is that a jail yeah yeah i mean actually as it turned out i i heard that they used to name the corridors at walpole state prison back in those days after streets in charlestown so you know someone would bump into each other like in the i don't know when they have a lunch and say hey so where did you sell it's like oh it's at the corner of like bartlett street and sullivan It was a funny story. I did actually go up there one time, and I think I was young, but I remember we were playing softball because I had some friends who had some relatives up there. I don't know. I was probably eight or nine, maybe. We were just up there, whatever, maybe 10. I don't know, playing softball. And one of these guys that was a Charleston guy was sitting there on the bench, and he kind of says, hey, Jack, it looks like your neck's bothering you. Well, I was like, no, my neck's fine. He goes, no, it looks like you have a bad neck. my next friend goes, you should go over there to that guy, he gives really good neck massages I look over and it was Albert DiSalvo, the Boston Strangler I don't know who that is it's Albert DiSalvo, I'm not going near that guy and he goes, ha ha ha, he thought it was funny I know man but anyhow, yeah, Charleston was unbelievable growing up there, it was great, you know, I mean we all started kind of, even your dad Keith, you know, I'm sure he started playing with Father Smith, you know, out of St. Catherine's One square mile, three Catholic parishes, everybody's Irish for the most part. But Father Smith and Mr. Fiddler, Mike Fiddler, Joe Fiddler, Mark Fiddler's dad, used to run a Sunday night kind of hockey thing. They didn't have any rinks in Charleston. It was in Revere. And Father Smith and Mr. Fiddler, they rent the ice. And kids started playing hockey, and then they had a peewee team that your dad, Buddy, played on. And they were really good. And then Bobby Orr came to town. All right. So Bobby Orr came to town. Everything changed. We played a lot of ball hockey. But before you know it, you know, trying to skate with Father Smith and all that. But then they started. Bobby Orr came to town. Everybody wanted to be Bobby Orr. Yeah, I think that's why I'm a defenseman. I think I'm probably a defenseman because I kind of looked up to your dad. I looked up to Buddy. You know, he was really good. And then this guy, Richie Hart, who played at Boston College as well. He was really good. And then Bobby Orr. Right. So those three defensemen were kind of people I looked to. plus I couldn't skate so I didn't want to try to beat anyhow but yeah that's how it all started you know and then we got our own team because there was so many kids that wanted to play they had to start another team and we didn't have a goalie I had to play goalie I had to switch it out a goalie I had to play goalie when I was out 10 years old and I got beat I swear to God 16 to nothing and I'm like I'm not playing goalie well this sucks so anyhow we got better you know a lot better over the next several years and I think when I was a midget we ended up I think, I'm pretty sure we won the National Midget Championship in Buffalo. We all went up to Buffalo, which was interesting because we were not behaving very well. At that point, we were 16. So, you know, anyway, it was kind of wild. But we did wet. We all came home with new cars. You know, it was great. It was a great tournament. It was amazing how hockey in Boston just exploded when Bobby Orr came to town. You know, kids from South Boston, Charlestown. They had Boston, the city of Boston had their own league. It was called the Boston Neighborhood Hockey League. So we played in that. We played CYO, which is, you know, the Catholic youth organizations, over at the arena on Sunday afternoons. Played like peewees and locals, and then we all played high school. And then we all kind of went to college. And then, you know, whatever, man. The Olympics was coming, so everything kind of changed after that. Where did you play high school before BU? And was it your dream as you got older and, you know, 12, 13 to play at BU? So my dream was always to go to Harvard, you know, because I went to Boston Latin School, which is this public school in Boston. It was founded in 1635, right? So you might, you probably don't know about it, but it's over by Fenway Park. So, and it's a six-year school. So you take a test in the sixth grade. And if you get in, you know, you go there in the seventh grade. And then half the class flunks out by the time they're freshmen. So then they let more kids. and it was the hardest school in the world. And, but it's a six year school and they, it was founded at two years before they founded Harvard. So there's a big Harvard connection. And I really, you know, I always wanted to go there, but, um, and you know, once I became a hockey player and then I started getting recruited and everything, which I was really surprised about. But, um, you know, I started getting a lot of pressure from a Latin school. All of a sudden the headmaster wanted to talk to me. Usually when I had it, if you had to go see the headmaster, it was just, then you got in trouble for, but, uh, I was a little nervous when he called me in, and he kind of laid into me about Harvard and how I had to go there. And I was like, okay, I'm going, I'm going. But, you know, what happened to me was, I mean, I got accepted there. I was really close to going there. But, you know, Jack Parker was just the guy. He was special to me, you know, and he knew where I was from. You know, even Mike Fidler, who we grew up with in Charleston, you know, he was like, he goes, hey, Jack, you go to Harvard, great. you know but guys like us get in trouble and you get in trouble once at harvard they'll throw you out of that place and you know that's the end of that he goes park is like one of us you know he's from summer bowl he kind of understands us he's not going to let us get away with everything but he'll kind of keep an eye on you that way and he won't just throw you under the bus if something goes wrong which you know turned out i was glad i was there for that but i mean bu was a great school academically it was perfect the team was great the hockey was great plus it was free for me harvard was going to be, you know, lend me money here, borrow money there. It was all this crazy stuff and a job and all that. Now, so anyway, BU gave me kind of an academic scholarship, actually. And, yeah, so it was great. I went there, and it was awesome. Four years there, I mean, I attended bar three years. My last three years, I learned a lot attending bar. And, you know, obviously the hockey team was amazing. We were like, you know, Whitney, you know what I'm talking about. I mean, back in the late 70s, we were great. We had great teams. and won the Nationals one year, but competed for it every year. Yeah, it was just fantastic. I couldn't have scripted it any better. You were a bartender, you said, while you were attending college? At the Dugout Cafe. It just closed. It closed down like three weeks ago, two weeks ago. Did you go to that closing? No, I didn't go to that closing, yeah. I would have. If they were going to build a statue with Jimmy O'Keefe, I probably would have gone to Boston for that and blown this one off. and Billy Crowley. Those are the two guys. Jimmy O'Keefe was the greatest guy. He was an old bookie from Boston. He was a big restaurateur, and he had a bar, a restaurant called O'Keefe's. And, I mean, the legend is that they planned the Brinks robbery in his restaurant. Okay? And some of those guys, like Jazz Maffey and another guy, they'd come into the dugout every now and then, and the whole place would be like, you know who that guy is? And I was like, kind of, yeah. But Jimmy O'Keefe was the man. You know, he paid attention. He knew everything about Boston sports. He's a legendary guy back in like the 50s and 60s and 70s, maybe even in the 40s. And, you know, he loved BU hockey. Billy Crowley was his partner. Younger guy played football at Harvard. Terrific guy. They're both gone, passed away, obviously. Billy too young, but Jimmy had a great life. But, you know, he pulled me aside. You know, we were struggling a little bit. Maybe we weren't playing so well. He'd say, hey, come here. You know, and he'd like a couple hundred bucks. And he'd say, take the boys out, you know. Show him a good time. He goes, you guys need to get out and kind of, you know, blow some steam off. He goes, you'll get things. I mean, the guy was amazing, and he really cared about me, cared about us. Yeah, it was just such a great experience. How did Jack Parker feel about you attending bar? Like, did you have to? I'd go from practice to the bar. He'd go in the bar. Back in those days, he was still drinking, and, you know, he'd come in every now and then and have a pot. Everybody did. I mean, you know, the writers for the Globe would come in. I mean, John Powers, Joe Concanon, you know, I mean, you know, Al Borganti used to hang out in there all the time. I mean, I'd be behind the bar. It would be like people would be coming in from all over the place. And it was usually VU hockey players that worked there. Vic Stanfield worked there. Tony Revolte. I mean, there's just a long list of it. But I did it for three years, and, man, it was great. Had some cash in my pocket, which was awesome. And, yeah, I mean, you know, you're behind the bar. I mean, you're in the bar. You're not drinking, and everybody else is, and you're still in the bar. so you kind of get to, you know, kind of hang out with your buddies, but you're working, so it's fun. Absorb it more. Who's the most famous guy that ever came in? I know you just dropped a bunch of names, but anything? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know, Ted Williams used to come in there. Did he? Yeah, man, because it was right, you know, the dugout, it was basically, and Jimmy, again, he was a bookie, so he knew everything about baseball. It's kind of hard to explain, you know. You know, it was, you ask any guys in my vintage and at BU, I mean, we lived for that place. We loved it. It was just a little joint. You know, you walk down the stairs. Ryan, you've been there, I'm sure. And you know what it's like, right? I mean, I remember one time I was with Billy on a Sunday, and some guys, it was just him and me. It was really nobody. I was just starting to work there. And it was kind of in the spring, maybe even the summer of my end of my sophomore year or something like that. You know, I'm behind the bar. you know I just kind of started bartending and these guys came in from the Red Sox game and they were drinking and we were closing and I remember Billy saying to them like they came in and they came to me and they want to drink and I'm like well we're closing guys so you're out of luck and so they're like oh they start giving me a little crap and so then Billy came out and he says what's going on because Billy was like a legendary kind of tough rough guy I think he grew But, man, that guy is a legend to Harvard. Anyhow, so Billy came out. What's going on? And it kind of reminded me of that story from New York stories, you know, when Chaz Paul and Terry's in the bar and all the bikers come in and they go, all right, I'll give you one drink and then you can go. And then they, you know, right, they throw the drinks. You remember the scene from that? I don't know. Yeah. So, anyway, it was kind of like that where Billy said, you know, I'll let you have one drink, but, you know, you got to leave. And so it was almost like they had one and they wanted to stay. And it was almost like he locked it in and said, well, now you can't leave. And so I grabbed a baseball bat from under the bar and I jumped over the bar. And, you know, I mean, I'm ready to rock, right? So and Billy was like, these guys are all of a sudden they see Billy who's bigger than me and me with a baseball bat. And they were like, okay, we'll leave. And then all of a sudden Billy looked at me and was like, I think we're going to get along pretty good here, Jack. Good hire. But at this time, and we'll get into the story of the Olympic team and the movie, which we have questions about, but Minnesota and BU, they were the powerhouses, right? No, not really. I mean, there were a lot of great teams. You know, Wisconsin was great. I mean, my first year, Minnesota beat us. We were out in Denver. I was a freshman. That was where we had a bench-clearing brawl. Imagine that in the NCAA, like, semifinal. How did it start? You know, yeah. Terry Mehar was our captain. He was a scorer bunch. He had like 40 goals. He had a great year. He was an All-American. And then kind of a little scrum by his bench and their bench, and they kind of started whacking him around a little bit. We were number one in the country. Minnesota kind of made it in late. So anyway, they had like, I don't even know who was on their team, Russ Anderson. You know, I don't know if Holmgren was on their team. He might have been. Maybe he had just graduated or something. I don't know. But anyway, there was a scrum over there. Someone might have spit on someone, and Terry got in the middle of it, so we jump off our benches and then it just all hell broke loose. You had the baseball bat. No, I actually grabbed this guy. I know his name. I actually played with him in a World Cup years ago. His name will come to me. But, no, there's a picture in the paper. I got him by the throat and I took his helmet off and I had him by the throat and I was cracking him in the head with his helmet. And what the hell's his name? We laughed about it a year later. College hockey. I'll do that. College hockey, right? And so then they won it that year, freshman year. Next year we were in Detroit, and Wisconsin won it. They were great, really great. You know, Bob Johnson was their coach. Herbie coached Minnesota. And then we won it my junior year. We were down in Providence. We played Boston College in the final, which was intense. But that was awesome. And then the next year we just sort of – we were great all year. We fell apart at the end, and we ended up getting beat. You know, Dartmouth beat us. Well, you know, they out-thought us, out-thunk us or something. I don't know. They figured out how to, like, you know, that was the first time I ever saw the trap, you know. They had, like, four guys back and one guy in, and we couldn't get out of our zone, and they got a couple goals, and that was the end of that. That was the end of my college life. But, yeah, and then Minnesota won it that year, too. So, you know, you think of Wisconsin, Minnesota, BU, you know, Bowling Green was in it a couple times, and, you know, they didn't win it, but they were in it. So, you know, if you take Bowling Green, Wisconsin, BU, and Minnesota, pretty much that's the Olympic team. Wow, and then that's what I wanted to ask about. So after your senior year, it works out perfect, 79, and then all 79, 80, you play with the U.S. team. Yeah, but you know the fun thing, the amazing thing was, and I don't know, Biz, if you ever played on any of these, but I don't know if Keith, I mean, Ryan, you might have played in, you know, those World Cups that you used to get to go to. You know, you get to go, like, you season one ended, you get invited to go play, like, in Sweden or Poland or whatever. You ever do any of that? I've been halenic this stuff. Yeah. This was called the World Cup of Hockey because back then the Europeans didn't play in the NHL, so that was their Stanley Cup. A lot of the NHL guys that would go, and there weren't many NHL guys from the United States back then. It was mostly minor league guys that were playing in the American League or something, or the International League, but they'd always bring four or five or six college kids. I went up at the end of my junior year, we went to Prague, which was unbelievable. I didn't stay for the tournament just because they weren't going to pay me any expenses, and I wanted to get back to school. So me and Phil Verkota with it, we left. But the next year in 79, after my college season was over, Herbie was coaching and he took more college kids than pro guys. It was like half and half. I mean, Joey Mullen was on the team. Jimmy Korn was on the team. Both wanted to play in the Olympic team. Herbie really wanted Joey. I don't think Jimmy was going to be on the Olympic team. Detroit was offering a pretty decent contract. But Joey really wanted to be on the team. But then his dad had passed away. So he signed a contract. Emo Francis, who knew his dad, was GM of the St. Louis Blues at that time. So the cat, Francis, Joey's dad was the locker room guy for the Rangers for like 40 years or 30 years. That was his job. But they lived in Hell's Kitchen. You know, that's where they grew up. And Hell's Kitchen in those days was changing. And the cat was like, Joey, you know, you want to go to Lake Placid and finish fifth? He goes, I'll give you some money and get your mom out of Hell's Kitchen. So Joey, you know, thinking of his mom, Joey's an amazing, great guy. So, yeah, I mean, he had to do that, respect that 100%. But he definitely would have been one of our teammates. But, yeah, anyway, we spent a month in Moscow, which is incredible, in 1979 in the spring. So you think about it, I mean, it was like the Berlin Wall was up. I mean, it was, you know, people are trading jeans and rubles, and there's all this side stuff going on over there, and the KGB's, like, following us around, and guys are stealing samovars, these, you know, pre-revolutionary, like, T-sets that are, you know, they're like national treasures, and we're paying people off so they don't go through our luggage. Not me, but the older guys. It was, like, what an experience, you know, and Brezhnev was the premier of the Soviet Union, and he came to every Russian game, and the real Russians were there. They won it, of course. They killed everybody. but Brezhnev came to every game and when he was there there were Russian soldiers in the rink, around the rink like between the stands starting and the glass with their backs to the game with freaking AK-47s in full gear, you know, like all that stuff. Watching the crowd you're saying. Watching the crowd, yeah, it was unbelievable, man. And there's a great story well, I could Thousand stories. Anyway, it was really fun. No, that's what we're here for. Keep going, buddy. It's a story time. Keep going. It's a story time. We're sitting at the dugout. Yeah, we're sitting at the dugout. Yeah, you guys are going to be buying drinks and tipping me, though. Oh, yeah. No, so here's a funny story. So I've got a buddy of mine who goes to get his knee done, and he's a friend of mine I grew up with in Charleston. I mean, our parents grew up together. And then he and, you know, whatever. We're all the same age. Anyway, he passed away. He's a great guy, Andy LaValle. But Andy's going to get his knee done. He's going to see Dr. Bert Zarens, who was the Bruins, or the pedic guy. He was part of our team in 79. And Bert's got this, behind his desk, he's got this Russian-like soldier's belt, the gold belt with the star, the sickle, and all this. And Andy's like, where'd you get that? What is it? He goes, oh, that's a Russian soldier's belt. He goes, where the hell did you get that? He goes, well, you ever hear of this guy, Jack O'Callaghan? And he goes, yeah, like, I grew up across the street with his grandmother, and he hangs up my brother Bobby. And anyway, so the story was, we're on the bus, and there's Russian soldiers out there with his gun, right? And Bert's like, God, I really want that belt. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, whatever, 22, even. I go, you want that belt? I'll go get the belt. So I grab a hockey stick, and I go over to the guy, you know, and it's just like, he could get shot for this. And I show him this coho, and I go, because I can't communicate, I go, I point to the coho, and I go like this. He's like, yeah. And I go, I want your belt. And he's like horrified. He goes, no way. I go, and I start turning around. He goes, whoa, whoa. And he goes, he points to his boots. They're like this long, right? Leather boots. He goes, he's like, he'll give me his boots, but not his belt. I go, I want your boots. I want your belt. So finally he looks around, wheels off his belt, gives me the belt. I give him the stick. I go on the bus. I toss the belt to Bert. Bert's like, I don't know. What? I'm like, whatever, man. Now you've got a belt. That was Russia in 79. It was unbelievable. For a coho. For a coho, yeah. So, obviously, he brought more college guys, assuming that he could bring you in the next year. Yeah, you know, Biz, I'll tell you, you're 100% right. Because he was coaching the Olympic team, and he wanted to get a look at guys. I mean, he didn't know me. He knew all the Minnesota guys. And, you know, I think Jimmy Craig was on the team. Me, Joey Mullen from BC. You know, he had a bunch of Minnesota guys that ended up on the team that I met that, you know, that year. I mean, Rob McClanahan was my roommate on that trip. Mark Johnson was on the trip. You know, six or seven other Minnesota guys. And he really wanted to, you know, see what we're like, right? So, yeah, and then I don't know what I – I know what I did right over there that made him like me. It was interesting, a very interesting Herbie story. But coming home from that, you know, my agent at the time was Bob Murray, you know, who was, you guys probably know, you Boston guys. I was like his first client. He was my defense coach at BU when he was getting his law degree at Suffolk. And he graduated when I graduated. He graduated law school when I graduated undergrad. Anyhow, yeah, Bobby called me and told me he talked to Herb. And Herb said, you know, he's kind of guaranteeing me a spot on the team. And he'll start giving us some expense money and this and that. He said he could cut me in the last before the games start, but I'm going to play the 60 games. He won't cut me until then. Hopefully he can keep me if I play well. So anyway, I did something right over there, and I didn't know what it was. I didn't think I played very well, but this is the thing about Herbie that is very interesting. One of the reasons why going into that, he just surprised me. I just didn't see it coming, but he was a very astute guy as far as players and team building. and, you know, sort of not the power play, you know, penalty killing face-off kind of stuff, but the locker room, you know, on the ice, like the team building and the winning culture that a person has. And that's what he liked about me. You know, I asked Bobby Murray, I said, well, I can't believe he said that he's going to keep me on the team. I mean, I didn't think I played that great. You know, at the end of my senior year, stunk. And I don't know, I go, what did he, did he like the way I played? I didn't really get a lot of points. saying, you know, whatever. He goes, no, Jack, we didn't talk about any of that. He said he just really likes the way you compete, team first guy all the time. You're positive. You know, you're competitive. You're out there all the time. You're sticking up for your teammates. You're playing hard. He knows you're a good hockey player. But he really wants you on that team because of you as a person as much as anything. And when Bobby told me that, that was probably in May or June, probably, in 79, I was just like, well, I've got to give this guy a chance, you know, because I didn't know him. The only time we played Minnesota my whole college career was my freshman year in that one game when the benches clear. I never saw them again. So anyway, that was my first experience really with Herbie playing at 79 and then having that feedback from him just caused me to take a step back and say, okay, this guy's different. I got to give him a chance. And it turned out, I mean, I really like the guy a lot. I love him as a coach. He was hard. He pushed us. But, I mean, I love getting pushed. I learned how to train I learned how to work off the ice I learned about fitness I mean not just like doing curls and shoulders and bench presses I'm talking about speed, power, explosiveness stuff that no one was while the Russians were doing it back then and the Swedes and the Finns and those guys and the Czechs but no one in North America was doing it. North American guys were drinking Budweiser and smoking Marlboros So obviously you I should do it with that too though Yeah. Obviously, he meant that because you, unless it's made up in the movie, you got hurt in that last game against the Russians before the Olympics started, so you didn't even play in any of the prelim games, but he kept you on the roster. You know, it's funny because you see, everybody thinks the movie is the reality, right? But I actually only missed two games. Okay. I missed the first two and played the next five, but I wasn't playing as much as I normally would play because I was playing. And I went to the Blackhawks. They looked at my knee and was like, you can't play. They sent me back to Boston. But, you know, I didn't play as much, but I played five games in this too. But, you know, it's not as dramatic in the movie like coming back against the Russians, you know. The salt and pepper in the movie is one thing. You've got to create a film. But I do know from the documentaries and everything about the one bag skate that's in the movie. I think you guys tied Norway or something. And then the lights went out. How many Herbies, as they call it? Like, how long were you guys out there that day? So, you know, I wasn't out there for it. I got to tell you, I missed the whole thing. It was awesome. Oh, that's huge. So, his guy, we had 26 guys. So, think about it. We had three goalies and five lines, right? He's only dressed 20. We had six guys out every night, one goalie, two D, three forwards. And we knew who was out. Like, we were playing, like, say, 10 games over there or 12 games. And, like, I knew the two games I wasn't going to be playing. Everybody knew. So, I wasn't in the game, the 3-3 tie. And so I come down after the game, you know, wearing street clothes, and Craig Patrick's there, and he's like, he's telling the guys, and everybody's kind of like, this is like the last two games after a three-week, you know, dragging our equipment and buses all around frickin', you know, Scandinavia. And, you know, we were kind of, we were just wiped out, but we just laid a big egg that night. So anyway, Craig Patrick's like, you guys, he wants you back at the bench. And the guy's like, what are you talking about? He's like, he's not done. Go back and talk to him. He's not in a good mood. And I looked at Craig and I go, what's going on? He goes, he's going to skate the crap out of him. And I go, all right, so we'll go put our stuff on. You know, we'll go with him. Like, come on, guys, let's go put our stuff on. Because, you know, if they're going to get beat up, we've got to get beat up. And Craig's like, no, no, don't do that. He goes, just go over to the bench. If he wants you to do that, he'll tell you. Just let him see you over there and stay out of his way. So I got to watch the whole thing. And that's kind of how the director of the movie knew about it because he asked me about some other stuff, and I told him, oh, yeah, skating in the dark. And then he's like, what's that all about? So I told him that whole story. He put it in the movie. But they were out there for 45 minutes. Whoa. And you know what they're doing, right? I mean, from the goal line, right? Blue back, red back, blue back, down back, right? 45 seconds. I would assume there wasn't one puck on the ice. No. No puck. It was after a game. There's no puck. No puck. There's no light. He was in a bad mood, man. I was standing right next to him like this, going like, oh, my God. You're like, these guys suck. And the worst thing about all of this, and then it was over, you know, he finally let us off the ice. And it wasn't because Arizioni said, I play for the USA. I never heard that. But anyhow, it looked good in the movie. But anyhow, so he finally let us the guys off the ice. And it was dark. The guy had turned the lights off. That really happened because he wanted to get home. And we played the same team again the next morning. We beat them like 9-1. Okay. And so we're sitting there after the locker room and go, man, we just totally screwed ourselves because now he thinks that works yes yes and I'll tell you something right now if that was the hardest thing we ever did the whole year it wasn't as hard as the practice he put us through on the Saturday between the Russian game and the Finland game that was our practice after you beat Russia and it's so funny that so many people out there think that was the gold medal game it's like no no no they had one more so he begged you that game I mean, that practice. You didn't even talk to us either. He had the grimace on, man, and he was like, ah, you know, and we're like, what is going on, right? But that's when he called us again. He's like, you know, because he was, again, he was a great coach, man. He just knew it. Like, he knew the natural progression of beating the Russians and all this. And, like, we were up here, so we didn't really know what was going on around the country for the most part. But he was like, these guys are going to get cocky, and they're going to go out and they're going to lose to Finland and they're going to take it to their graves that they weren't prepared for this game. And he made sure that he brought us back down to earth. So we didn't really have time to, you know, pat ourselves on the back and, you know, tell ourselves how great we are because we just beat the Russians. You know, he really did center us and get us back to, you know, kind of ground zero so that we could focus on Finland. And then, you know, we had to put down like 2-1 going to the third grade against Finland. so fortunately but I got the other thing I'll say about this team I was on man these guys are great guys we are a really good hockey team great players and we were really cohesive as a team you got great goaltending but that last 20 minutes we played against Philly if you ever want to you know again it's the greatest 20 minutes we played in 9 months man we just we blew their doors off in 20 minutes and yeah sometimes it comes up and we'll talk about it guys will just sit there and kind of shake their heads and just go like man That was, what a period. It was all on the same page, all looking towards one goal. Now, is it true that the games weren't aired live, like there was a delay? So, you know, I'll tell you, I mean, you know, there's truth to that, but everything was on TV, you know, because, again, it's East Coast time, right? So that was the beauty of it. I mean, that's why I wanted to play in this Olympics. And I wanted to play in the Olympics and then go to business school. That was my plan, a law school or something like that. And I ended up, you know, signing with the Hawks and playing for the next 10 years. I mean, shit. But anyway, every game was on. The nightly news would come on at 6, and then the Olympics would come on at 7, and they'd show Olympics every night. And they were showing our games and highlights and stuff. And it was every night. So it was on prime time. It was awesome. And then you know how these tournaments are set up, right? They're set up far in advance where they go, okay, on Friday, the winner of Pool A is going to play the second-place team in Pool B at 4 o'clock. And they'll play at 7 o'clock, right? So it's preset. And the way it worked out, we were second place in this pool. Russia was first, and that game was scheduled for 4 o'clock. So ABC, I guess, went to the Russian Federation and offered them, you know, $1979, a lot of money, like a billion or two dollars, you know, which was a lot of dough back then. Still a lot of dough, but it was a real lot of dough back then. And the Russians, because we had already said we're not going to the summer games in Moscow, so there's a lot of bad blood between the Russians and the Americans. you know for that reason but for a million other reasons and uh they basically said no way we're not doing it so they would not agree to change flip the games and um which was great because we played at four o'clock i mean it was just a game and um you know um yeah the abc said well we could show it live at four o'clock but then we're going to rearrange you know uh you know the soap operas and everything else that we got so we don't want to do that we'll just piss people off you know if They can't watch, like, you know, One Life to Live or something. They're going to get smoked anyways. And that was the thing. They're probably going to lose 10 to nothing, maybe 20 to nothing. Bonanza's on at 430. So they said, we'll just show highlights later, and then we beat them. Fucking I Love Lucy reruns instead of you guys bringing it home. They weren't reruns back then, buddy. Hey, so Jack Hogan's Heroes, that was like real-time stuff. Well, I got to ask about the locker room after the Madison Square Garden game, where based on the movie, it was kind of added a little late that they were playing them. I don't know if that was fake, where Craig Patrick says, we're playing the Russians right before, and it's 10-2. We knew we were playing them all year. Okay. All right. So that's part of the movie. But after the game, what are you guys thinking? Oh, my God. I was thinking, how am I going to walk out of here because I can't stand up? Yeah, you were hurt. I wasn't really part of the locker room after that. but guys definitely were, you know, it's like, you guys have all been there. You know, you just get your ass kicked, and, you know, we play hard. We're good. You know, but, you know, we just got smoked. You know how you feel, and you just go like, you know, you feel terrible, and you just kind of look around and go, oh, well, you know, glad that's over with, and then you kind of dust yourself off, and we left, and so our parents and a lot of people were there, and then we just got on a plane, and we flew back up to Lake Glacier and got ready for the Olympics. I mean, it wasn't a discussion about the team. The Russians, they should have beat us. They could have beat us. They could have been 20 to nothing. I mean, they were that good. And, you know, we got a chance to see them. I don't know. You can't. Look, all you guys played a ton of hockey, as did I. You know, I mean, you lose a game. It sucks. You kind of think about it for 10 minutes You kind of refocus and you think about what we doing tomorrow right Because you can get caught up in something like that And then we had a game against Sweden I mean sat on Tuesday in three days So we got to get ready for that. And at that point, our exhibition season was done. Now the real games start. So it was easy for us to refocus against Sweden. But, again, Herbie pulled another one out of the locker room with Robbie McClanahan. Robbie got banged up pretty good in the first period. ended up with a Charlie on us. I mean, he couldn't even bend his leg and, you know, the doctor's like, you're done. And then Herbie did come in the locker room. That's in the movie. That's real. And Herbie came in the locker room, man, and just went at him. And that was one of his guys. Robbie had played for him for three years and Herbie tore. Oh, man. And I'm standing there on crutches and I'm like, oh my God. What's going on with these Minnesota guys? I thought they liked each other. It was unbelievable. And, you know, and Robbie lost it and Herbie's losing it and the Locker room was like, what is, you know, so that was crazy. And then I just kind of, I'm standing up, so I kind of got in the middle, you know, and I'm like, you know, so he got out of the locker room and the place was really, it was intense. And then, I don't know, man, like Herbie, guy's a thinker, right? He got us going. He kind of brought us back. And all of a sudden we went out and our intensity changed and our focus changed. And we kept that focus, the rest of that focus and intensity, the rest of the way through. And, you know, it's like he sensed that he needed to come in here and basically blow up the locker room to get us, you know, get us focused again. And he did the same thing, like I said, after we beat the Russians in that practice on Saturday before the Finland game. You know, the guy was a, the guy, I heard later in life, I heard that I guess he was like a psychology major in college. And I think he paid a lot of attention to that, you know, that psychology of the athlete and the motivational side. I mean, he's a very thoughtful kind of, you know, introverted, thoughtful guy. He really was. And for people who don't know, I think he was the last cut of the 1960 team that won it. And then, you know, he cut Ralph Cox, and that was in the movie. And just, you know, that's so tough. That Jack Hughes, too. Oh. Ralphie and Jack were the last few guys. They were both there. Oh, shit. Yeah. You know, you can't forget about Jack. I mean, Jack was a great hockey player at Harvard, and he grew up in Somerville, played at Malman Catholic, you know, won state championships, a great hockey player. And, you know, Jack went to Harvard, and so did his brother George, another great hockey player. George was awesome. And, you know, I mean, when Herbie didn't make the team in 60, it was because Billy Clary, Harvard guy, Harvard guy, kind of left, put the team like two weeks in front of, I guess, Squaw Valley. And Jack Riley and the coaches were like, we need to get him back. and they called Billy and he's like, well, I don't know. I kind of miss my family. I'll tell you, if you want me to come back, I'm just lonely. You've got to bring my twin brother Bobby and put him on the team. So they're like, well, we've got to get Billy. Billy's our best player. Okay, well, I guess we've got to put Bobby. He's a good player too. I guess we've got to put Bobby on the team, but now we've got to get rid of somebody. See you later, Herbie. Wow. Tell me if this is true, Jack, if this is true. I believe the story is that when U.S. won in 1960, Herbie's sitting there with his dad. And his dad said, yeah, that's a great story. You know, who knows? Okay. His dad said, I guess they cut the right guy. It's a good story. It's a good story. Whether or not that really happened, I mean, hey, nice dad. I thought you were going to tell me something inspiring. My dad would have said the same thing. The way you looked at me, I thought you were going to come at me with, like, an inspiring quote or something. No, I'm going to post these days. Like, all right. Whatever. So to quickly maybe dumb it down for the younger audience that are watching here, and by the way, the whole story just dropped on Netflix. What's the name of it, G? Yeah, The Boys of 80 or something. Yeah, I mean, I've seen it. I haven't seen, like, the Netflix final file, but, I mean, I saw the, you know, the run-up to it. I mean, they actually let our team kind of, we didn't get involved in it, but they, you know, we got a little committee of guys. There were pretty much a lot of Minnesota guys on it, and they just wanted to get a look at it before and maybe have some comments. So they just wanted to make sure that, you know, the movie wasn't all about the Boston guys again like the movie. Can you go through each game, like right now, just rifle off, just like quickly, like who you beat, first game, second game, third game? We played Sweden again first night. So the Olympics opening ceremony was like on a Wednesday. We played the day before the Olympics opened. we played on Tuesday night. So we played Sweden, we're down late, down late, 2-1, Billy Baker scores, makes it 2-2, and we finished in a tie. That was a big tie, right? One point each. We each got two goals for, two goals against, and so all that stuff was important back then. Goals for, goals against, and points. So the next night we played the Czechs. I mean, Sweden, Peli Lindbergh was their goalie. They had several guys that ended up in the NHL once they started letting Europeans in. We played the Czechs the next night, they got like freaking three Stasny brothers out there, plus other guys. I mean, really great players. And they were the second-best team in the world. But Dominic Hasek was still kind of young then, so he wasn't on the team, thank God. And their goalie was a little ish, and we blew their doors off 7-2. Now, that was Thursday night. So Sweden Tuesday, opening ceremonies Wednesday, checks Thursday. So we come out of that game 7-2, I think. So we go seven goals, four, two goals, four, nine goals, four, four goals against. That stuff matters. And we get the two points. So then we played, I think the next three games we played were Romania, Norway. We had a payback because we tied that game against them seven months prior. It was like Romania, Norway, West Germany. And we had beat those teams pretty well. But West Germany was going to be a tough game because they were gritty. They were Germans. I mean, they play hard at everything they do. They're competitive. They're tough. So we actually beat them, I don't know what the score was, maybe four or five to two or something like that. So because of that, you know, we end up with four wins, eight points, one tie, nine points, and so did Sweden, because they won all their other games too after our tie. But they had a better goal differential, which put us in second place in our pool, put Sweden in first, which means we play the first-place team in the other bracket, which was the three teams on the other side that were really good were Finland, Russia and Canada. And Canada was really good. If they had had the gut and the goaltending that we got, they might have beat the Russians and the Finns. Glenn Anderson was on their team and they had a lot of guys, just like us, they had a lot of guys, probably more guys than us that actually played in the NHL. So anyway, they got booted out. We had to play the Soviets on Friday. Finland played Sweden. And again, we beat the Soviets. We get two points because the points still run. Everything's still run. Oh, yeah. So we get two points. So now we're at like, you know, we had nine. Now we're 11. The Russians had 10, so they stay at 10. Sweden beat Finland, so Sweden has 11. We're tied with Sweden, and Sweden has a tiebreaker. So now we need Russia to win. Oh, my God. We got to play Finland. If Sweden beats Russia, we win the silver. Oh, my God. Was that game before you or after? On Sunday, it was after our game. Wow. So things had to go down still. I'm pretty sure it was after our game because I remember we had time between our game and the closing ceremonies. And I also remember our game was like 11 o'clock in the morning because I've heard all these stories about how, you know, in the churches all around the country, you know, the sermons were like four seconds. You know, it's like, bless you, Father. You know, they give the blessing, go home and watch the hockey game. That was what mass was all about back then. It was a five-minute mass because the game starts in ten minutes. So luckily for you guys, the Russians came to play that next game. Yeah, well, they came to play against us, too. Believe me, that game wasn't easy. But, I mean, I'm sure they were a little aggravated, and they didn't want to go home with nothing. So I think they went out and beat up on Sweden pretty good. So let's get to it now. Going into that game against Russia was like the speech. I guess take us through the whole thing. The Russian game? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. What do you want to know? It was a tough game. We were, you know, we scored. It's like we were down one. We tied it at 1-1. We go down 2-1. And then I'll tell you, the crazy thing was, and I remember seeing this, and I don't even know how I saw it. I kind of saw it. I noticed it first because we scored with a second. Like, there was no time on the clock in the first period. Mark Johnson scored to tie it. and it was almost like, you know, Davey Christian brought the puck up ice, like two seconds, three seconds, and he fired it in on Trachek, and Trachek just kicked the rebound straight out because there's like no time on the clock. And Mark Johnson, who's an amazing hockey player, just kind of busted in. Like, the Russians got a little casual, you know, late period's over, and he got the rebound and made a little move and beat Trachek to tie the game. And then it goes, the buzzer goes off. And so they all, the Russians all leave the ice. They think the period's over. And I'm thinking, and you guys know, period can't end on a goal. Because if, that means even if there's a quarter second left, you're still going to have the face off. And then you can blow the buzzer, right? You guys know that, right? Yeah, it has to be, even if it's a, you could just send out a center. I mean, it's because he's going to drop the puck on the game, the period's over. So anyway, I noticed that when they had to go in and get the Russians and bring them back on the ice. So they only sent six guys out. They sent Michigan out in net. So I looked down and I go, like, that's weird that they put Michigan in. I mean, why? And everybody said, well, maybe Tracek had already taken his stuff up. I go, ah, I don't think so. Because if a goalie's in the game, it's his game. And you don't take him out even if it's for half a second. I mean, it just kind of struck me as odd. And then when they came out in the second period, Trey Jack was on the bench and Michigan was in net. Now, Michigan had just shut out the NHL All-Stars 6-0 about two months prior to that in Madison Square Garden. You know, I mean, like Bobby Orr and Gil Fleur. Dominated them. Yeah, 6-0 they beat them, and Michigan was in net. And it was the rubber game of a three-game series. So Michigan could play. He was a good goalie. And I think the coach was, you know, trying to wake his team up. You know, I just pulled Trae Jack. So anyhow, yeah, Michigan played, and he played great. But the second period, man, we were hanging off with dear life. I mean, they came at us with everything, and we would just give up a goal. And, you know, Jimmy played great, and we played pretty well. I mean, we did give him a lot of rebounds, you know. That's the one that we were good at. And they had a lot of shots, so they outshot us a ton in the second period. And then all of a sudden we're down three to two. Yeah, going into the third, we're only down a goal. And, I mean, that was kind of something that we knew we couldn't get down. You know, you get down two or three against them before you know it, you're down six. So it was close. And, you know, a 20-minute game. And we had trained all year for that game. Like I said, we were so physically fit, strong, you know, fast, strong, powerful, cohesive unit. And we went on the third period. It was like, hey, we got 20 minutes. And when we, I think, I don't know who tied them. Maybe they were Mark Johnson. And then Rizioni scored 10 minutes left. and it was like, holy shit. What three against the Russians, man? So anyhow, it was pretty awesome, but it was a long 10 minutes. Everybody's talked about that, but I looked up and I saw 10, you know, 1-0, you know, 0-0. I was like, damn, 10 minutes. Wow. And they tried, they came at us. They came at us as hard as they could, but we were like, they would wear, they've never played against a team like us that didn't wilt in the third period, And that's all because Herbie Brooks made sure that if we're going to lose a game, it's not because we're not fit. You know, we're going to lose because the other team's better, not because they wore us down. And that was clear to us in, I mean, in Lake Placid in August of 1979, we were running up and down the hill every, you know, five times a day after we skated for an hour, 25 minutes. So, yeah, they came at us with everything. They threw everything at us. We didn't break, man. You had the other game, so you practice, you play that game. After the Finland game and Sweden loses, did you understand what this was going to mean for the rest of your life? Did you understand what it meant to the country? Or was it like almost a week later you're like, holy shit, it's kind of hitting all you guys, what actually happened? You know, I mean, again, so it's so funny. It's a great question. And, I mean, the news we got up here were two-day-old New York Posts. So think about it. They would print the frickin' New York Post in New York City, put them on buses or whatever they do, you know, trucks. And they would truck it north, and they are all over the place, and they'd be, you know, dropping them off. So up here, I mean, they couldn't even get near this place. And so we'd get New York Post two days later, and then they had an Olympic daily bulletin. And that was like real news. That was just about like what's going on in, you know, Olympic stuff like skiing and, you know, biathlon and illusion and, you know, bobsled and all that stuff. So, yeah, we didn't really know. We were watching a little TV and everybody was obviously really excited. The games were great. You know, the fans were wild. It was awesome. Really excited here in this little town of Lake Placid. But, you know, when we Sunday night and everything after we beat the Finns and we went on bowl, get our medals and we're hanging around here and, you know, walk around, you know, drinking champagne. But the closing ceremonies were there. And, you know, a lot of people had left. The town was relatively quiet. So, you know, kind of get back to where we were staying. I was in a trailer in like a double wide in the village, you know. Same as Italy this year. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, they were pretty nice. And I had my roommates were Mark Johnson and Robbie McClanahan and Eric Strobel. And I don't know if they were all three back there when I got back. or maybe one or two of them there, and they were like, hey, man, pack your stuff. We've got to get out of here. The president's sending a plane for us. We're going to the White House. Wow. And he's like, they're bringing everybody, you know, because you can't just, even back then they were politically correct. I mean, you've got to bring, like, everybody. So he had to send two planes. And so, you know, 630, we've got to be out, like, over there with all of our stuff packed because we're never coming back here. So start packing all your crap up and, you know, 630, get on a bus, to Saranac Lake, where there are these two giant United States of America planes sitting out on the tarmac, and 3,000 people, man, going nuts. And it's 7 o'clock in the morning, and they had flags, and we were having a blast, because they were all like upstate New York people. They were terrific people, and everybody's high-fiving and hugging, and it was just awesome. And then we get on the plane, and me and Bobby Seward get on the plane. We've got to get a good seat suit, so this is Air Force One. so me and Suits go running up the stairs and we sit like right on the front and I got these big comfortable seats and we're sitting there you know this is like we were from President's Plane right it's pretty awesome and uh and as we're sitting there like two girls walked in and they're like hey man why not we sit here and I I'm her elbow in Suits and I go things are changing buddy you know you'd run into like you know woman from other sports like you know they'd talk to them for a minute or two, they'd say, so what sport do you play? I say, oh, I play ice hockey. And they'd be like, see you later. You know, I thought we were crazy, but after we won the gold medal, like I went back as a coach in 83, I think, before they picked the 84 Olympic team. I know, Chelios was on my team, and that's when I got to know Chris. But, I mean, you guys are walking around like, you know, these girls are following around. I was like, you guys have no idea. This is good to us. Yeah, like what's the charge change if it's not for me? It happens for you guys. They had the hair and the dip in all this stuff, and I was like, hey, you're great. Yeah, it wasn't like that in the 70s. But anyway, so we got no news up here. And again, no HBO, no cable, no ESPN, zero, man. It was like ABC, NBC, CBS, UHF, Channel 2, which is public access, like five stations. That's it. And so, yeah, we didn't really know. We got to Saranac Lake. It was crazy. By the time we get into the district in D.C., buses and everything, we're driving into the district, and people knew we were coming. There's like six buses and people on highways off the side of the road, cars parked, flags, screaming, signs. In winter, snow, cold. And then we get into the district, and multiply that by 30. And now it's hitting you. Yeah. Yeah, man. Then it's starting to go like, wow, this is pretty wild. And then, you know, the press came at us and, you know, it's all about like, what do you think? Oh, I'm not going to Moscow. What do you think about the Russians? They have Guinness. They have like, leave us alone, man. So see you later. We can talk to those guys. It was a pretty great experience being at the White House. Give me some chewing rubbers. Yeah, I was just trying to meet up with what the fuck can I do. I just want to see Bill Clinton in the Oval. Being at the White House back then was, it was amazing. It was the first time a president had ever invited a sports team to the White House. It happens all the time now. that was the first time it was amazing meeting the president you know his staff and then you know going back to boston after that you know kevin white was the mayor of boston he sent the limo for me you know it's pretty cool because you know when it gets right down to it you know i know you couple boston guys there when it gets right down to it there were four of us from massachusetts only one guy from boston yeah the other guys are all suburban guys that's right he's like yeah Yeah, Wytham's a suburb. So thanks to you, NHL, our hockey players got respect to girls, and then the winning teams get to go to the White House. Yeah, to you guys. You're standing on the shoulders of giants, guys. Did they put a little bit of salt and pepper on the speech that Herb Brooks gave? The one about, you know, great moments and all that? I don't know. You know, the director kind of came up with it. I mean, I'm sure we talked to a lot of guys. I mean, I had a good relationship with Gavin O'Connor. You know, you guys would have loved the skies. You know, he's a little younger than me, but he's close to age. And played football at UPenn, grew up in Staten Island. You know, a family of, like, cops and firemen and plumbers, union guys, kind of just like me in Boston. And we just clicked. And, you know, he started asking me questions and everything. Like I said, it's really interesting when Gavin, he said, I hate the script because the script, I go, what do you mean? He goes, I'm rewriting the damn script. I go, well, you know, we already cut the deal. We're already getting paid. And I don't care what you do, if you can do that. He said, I'm a director. I can do anything I want. So, and he goes, and I play football. I've been an athlete my whole life. And I know that the way teams come together is off the ice and away from the field of play. I need to know what happened off the ice with you guys. I know how you became so close and so tight. Like, and I said, well, I don't know, Gavin, look, just send me an email. You know, I'll, I'll kind of reply and I'll give you a background on it. So I did that for a lot of things that ended up in the movie. You know, I mean, he actually thanked me at the end of the movie for, you know, giving him all this inside information. And, you know, I wasn't giving him any bad stuff. It was just shit that happened that he didn't know about. And then at the end he asked me, like, what her speech was, what did he say, you know, before the Russian game. And I'm like, so, again, I wrote him, like, five, six pages on my memory of it. And I'm sure he did that with other guys, too. But I did, I said to him, I think, you know, what he was trying to say to us is, like, we've earned the right to be here, you know. Like, and, again, we were standing on the shoulders of giants. We really were because you go back to 1960, they won a gold medal in Swah Valley. We knew those guys. I mean, you know, I knew those guys like you guys know us guys, you know. I knew Jack Corrine, Billy Cleary, Dickie Rodenheiser, you know, John Mayasich. I mean, I knew those 60 guys, those 1960 guys. I knew the guys in 68 and 72, Robbie Fertorik. You know, they were guys from Boston, 76 Olympic team. You know, we knew those guys. You know, they competed hard. they worked hard it was all building usa hockey over those years so we were standing on the shoulders of those guys you know they they set the table for us and and herbie knew that because herbie was he knew the history of usa hockey and he knew how he was second-class citizens how we were treated in the world of hockey by the canadian you know industrial complex of hockey for lack of a better word but uh so you know he was like hey man you deserve to be here you know and i sort of tell Gavin all this. I'm sure he talked to other guys too and kind of cobbled together that incredible speech that yeah, I mean, they put it on t-shirts now. Yeah. I think that's what he said. Here's a funny story. We were watching the movie together. They had a big premiere in LA, which was going to be awesome, like red carpet, whatever. Amazing. But it was raining, so it kind of put a damper on that. But they wanted us to watch it. I'd already seen it a couple times because I'd been out there. My character was in the movie a lot, so I got to go to a lot of other stuff. But when our team was there, we're sitting in there. They wanted us to watch the movie in the morning of the premiere. And just us. So it was like 20 of us, maybe 20, probably everybody was there. Anyway, and dead silence for two hours. Now, I saw the Hollywood Foreign Press watch it, and they were screaming and hollering like the game was live. It was crazy. My teammates and I were watching it, dead silence. and so when it was over you know it's a two hour movie right some guys are in it some guys aren't whatever dead quiet my character's in it a lot and I'm sitting there going like oh man these guys are going to come at me like wolverines right so anyhow Silky stands up and goes well at least they got the ending right and then Kenny Marlowe goes hold on a minute hold on a minute he goes that movie's awesome it's gonna be great he goes look it's two hours you know they're gonna tell the story and not everybody's gonna be in it you know but it's a great movie that just tells our story and everybody's great and Kurt Russell's great and it's just an awesome awesome movie guys we should be really proud of it and he goes I got one question though he goes did everybody really say that between no shit those are the two comments that stuck out in my head and uh yeah it was pretty funny but i think that's the gist of it you know but we you know look again no cell phones no video no audio nobody taped it it's just from memory you know and and um you got the message across and i think the speech that that kurt russell gave in the movie was pretty incredible and powerful and uh it was kind of the message herbie was trying to give us he was trying to tell us that like we've earned the right to be there and people have basically the hockey players, American hockey players, have laid down their lives, I mean, their hockey lives, to give us this opportunity, but we have actually taken it to another level. And the people that, like, and to us, I mean, and we did do that, and we did it on them. And I really, one of the things I'm really proud of is that the guys that came after us, right, Ryan, you, you know, Keith, you, I mean, guys like Chelly, Ronan, you go through the list, right? You just had Caner break the all-time points record. You know, Patrick Cane, you know, he's on top of those guys. But, I mean, that was the upswell of USA hockey and American hockey players getting respect, not just, you know, in the world, but also, you know, definitely in the National Hockey League that was back in those days. It was run by Canadians, and the only way an American was going to get a chance is if you go in there and you just start, you know, basically swinging a stick at everybody and fighting your way into the league. Because they had this Canadian general manager in the guys that played junior, they had this idea that, you know, Americans were soft, right? yeah soft so anyway i mean yeah chris nyle he was really soft paul holger he was soft jimmy jimmy corn had 475 minutes of penalties in 1979 you know he's somewhere in minnesota i mean but that was the only way he could get a chance to play is if you would he had to go prove that you were you know physically you could stand up to these guys and you know i mean joey mullen grew up in you know hell's kitchen i mean you think he's afraid of somebody from, you know, Edmonton? I don't think so. So is it true that Ken Morrow won the NCAA title, the next year the gold? No. I thought it was the NCAA. Okay, okay. So he went, but he did go gold and then four years, four cups in a row, right? Yeah. For those five years. He was a hell of a player, that guy. He fit that team so well. You know, they traded for Butch Goring because they had Kenny. was just a stay-at-home, solid defenseman, strong as an he's one of those guys, he has animal strength, he's not this big guy, he's just tensile strength, he had hands he was just strong, you couldn't get around him, you couldn't knock him off the puck and they put him with Dennis Podvan and they were defense partners for seven or eight years I mean, Kenny was a great hockey player and has legendary stuff, four Stanley Cups and the gold medal So it's a pretty good run. So you played for a long time after, and I'm very interested in that. But you also mentioned I planned on Olympics and then business school or law school. Yeah. What did you end up doing? What are you doing now post-hockey? So, you know, I went to Chicago. And when I got drafted by the Hawks and I was in my sophomore year, and I was in the fourth or fifth round, something like that, and I just, you know, I'm never going to play in the NHL. I didn't even, like, consider it because I knew I would never get a chance. So I didn't even think about it. But the thing that popped into my head was, wow, if I ever could get there, which would be a pipe dream, you know, I'd really maybe like to learn how to trade commodities. I swear to God. First thing that popped in my head. Okay. And so anyway, I ended up there. I ended up in Chicago playing for the Blackhawks. And so my first summer out there, my wife at the time was sick of moving back and forth to Boston, you know. Like I was actually in the American League. We won the Calder Cup my second year in Moncton, and then I made the team the next year. so that I, now she wants to stay in Chicago. I don't know anybody in Chicago. I know how to get to the rink in the airport. That's pretty much it. I don't even know anybody. But I needed to find something to do, like academically or, you know, when I was in Boston, I was taking my real estate license. I would take classes. I was living up by Marblehead, so I was going to Salem State. I'd take a couple of classes. You know, I was always staying because I knew I was going to do something. I was done. And when I went to Chicago, believe it or not, Walter Payton, one night I was having dinner with Walter Payton. And Walter, the only time I ever met the guy, I told him that story I just told you and he's like well I want to get into real estate but Walter was like what else are you thinking and I was like well actually trading commodities but I didn't even know where they are Walter goes I know where they are I know people he goes would it be okay if I made a phone call for you so the end of that story is that Walter made a phone call I had a meeting that was a Saturday night had a meeting Monday got a job as a runner at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange Tuesday I think it was 1984 in like June and I had six weeks and I did that for six weeks and I loved it talk about energy you know this is the trading floor back when it was like you know thousands of people like wolf of wall street and elbow and bumps between sales so i bought at the end of that experience i bought a membership down i borrowed money from different places took a loan out of my house and and bought a membership and um i kept it all through the rest of my life playing and i ended up in new jersey and my marriage wasn't going great so i wanted to kind of get back to chicago and my kids were young and i i could have kept playing for probably a couple more years but my kids would have ended up in new york with their mom and i just couldn't handle that so i decided look it's time to move on and get into this other world so at that time got the kids back everybody back at chicago bet centered and i walked into the trading pit in the fall of 1989 and i've been doing that pretty much ever since and you were a rookie again i was a rookie again man wow a little bit more respect on the floor though after you win a gold medal playing NHL. Were you throwing elbows in there? Down there they would say, you know, everybody comes across as really nice, but you know, if you had a heart attack and you went down, before you hit the floor, they'd have your wallet out of your pocket. So everybody's like, hey, how you doing? How are the kids? And all of a sudden, they'd stab you in the eye with a screwdriver for $0.5. Believe me, it was very incredibly competitive, and many athletes had been down there, tried to trade, head trade. I know Troy Murray went down there. I kind of worked with Matt Sui, who was actually Walter Payton's backup running back. He played at Penn State, a great guy. I remember taking Matt around the floor at the Merc. He ended up going over the board of trade, and he ended up trading soybeans or something like that. I was trading stock index futures. Athletes down there, all walks of life. PhDs and guys that like never get out of the seventh grade, you know, and it, it just, it was an interesting, incredible experience. So I did that for a couple, three, four years. And then I, we, Jackie Hughes and I actually was out there also. We started a business that we ran for 25 years. It was called Beanpot Financial Services. And cause Jack and I were both, you know, beanpot guys. And it was something that we had to ourselves. It was funny cause no one knew what the hell we were talking about back in those days. And yeah, 25 years after that, Now I work for an asset management firm kind of based in Boston. Our owners are in Boston. They kind of mostly the guys that operate the company are in D.C. I got kind of a pretty senior position there. Doing that about seven, eight years now. And I just kind of work with them and, you know, talk to pension funds and basically try to help the firm raise money and raise awareness. And, yeah, I'm a marketing guy, basically. I'm out talking to people and, you know, begging people for money. Jack, I mean, the gold medal is cool, but I would imagine the highlight of your career was winning that Calder Cup as a former Calder Cup champion. That was probably the pinnacle, correct? How great is the win of the Calder Cup? We have to hear about it every day. I lost in the finals. No, I was just fucking. He was in Manchester. I was in Manchester with the Monarchs, but what was it like playing in Canada? You were in New Brunswick, right? It was pretty interesting. I was in New Brunswick, and I remember what they were doing in the movie Miracles. actually Miracle on Ice which came out in 1981 and the guy who was cast in my role as this guy's name was Peter Horton and so he's calling me from LA and I'm on you know I'm on like maritime time right it's like an hour later than east coast time right so I mean if it's 11 o'clock in Boston it's midnight in Moncton so this guy's calling me from LA trying to get to know me for the role he's doing and all I know is he was married to Michelle Pfeiffer at the time. Is Michelle there? How's she doing? But it was like I was in the middle of nowhere, but, you know, we had a great coach and we had a great team. A lot of, you know, a couple of some veteran guys that had come down. We had, you know, I mean, I had a lot of experiences, even though I was kind of, you know, young in the world of pro hockey. I was, you know, I was old enough to know that no one was going to try to shave me or have bullshit, but we just had a great team, good guys, and we just went on a roll, man. We just, yeah, and when we won that thing, as you know, Biz, nothing like winning. It's the greatest experience in your life out here where you are. Winning beats everything. It really does. And the other thing is, you know, again, in hockey, teams win, right? Players don't win. You've got to have good players, but those players don't win championships. The only way you win a championship is you've got 20 guys or 25 guys that just give everything to each other, you know, in the locker room, together, whatever. No one cares who scores, who does what. Your egos are out in the parking lot. You play together as a team, and then when it's all said and done and you walk away with that Calder Cup championship or NCAA championship or Stanley Cup or whatever it is, man, it's so satisfying. And you know that that's what it took. You know, you had to bury your ego and you had to just, like, engage with your teammates and just play for each other and kill for each other. And that's how you win. Well, Jack, thank you so much. This has been awesome. A lot of laughs. We like to add you as a fourth chair. Fuck the trading room. Yeah, right here. Yeah, maybe you could teach us about commodities. We're going to learn to spell the word first. Yeah, I wish I had bought some gold back then and put it in my pocket. I got the gold medal. Jack O'Callaghan, legend. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Have a great one. Guys, take a moment here. We're going to talk about Kraken. This February, funding your Kraken account could earn you a serious bonus. From February 2nd to March 2nd, Kraken will match 3% of your net deposits capped at $1 million. That's up to $30,000 in bonus value just for moving cash or crypto in Kraken. 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Boys, I don't know. I don't know. We don't really have much stuff left here. I mean, out on the outline, it does mention that Alex Tuck, when he got his hat trick on Thursday night, it was the 30th hat trick in the month of January. Crazy. According to NHL statistics, that's a new single month record beating the total of 29 in 1985 when teams averaged four goals a game. So it's just been an offensive exposure. I think the goalies are tired. The goalies are tired. The goalies are gassed. But those goalies didn't even have pads on. So it's crazy. And then the Dallas Stars, shout out Wyatt Johnson. He has more power play goals in a single season than anyone ever has for Dallas. He got his 18th power play goal already. A guy that easily, I feel like, could be on Team Canada and was never really even mentioned once. That's how deep that roster is. So when we're back next, the NHL will be officially on Olympic break. We have some exciting things ahead. We have a bunch of streams for the Olympics. We're all going to be together in Florida for about eight, nine days. We have three sandbaggers that we're going to film, so that content will be coming out after that, and we'll be able to kind of watch some Olympic games together. Biz, I know you have a special little studio set up for your Canada games that you'll be home for, right? Yeah, the Canadian Hemp, let's see, here in Scottsville. arizona i got i got a big flag coming in this week getting installed behind my couch um and then yeah and then and then another one another felt so just hit just just be hitting a bong every canada goal or shot on 100 100 there's gonna be a cloud of smoke about above the canadian hempacy um come the start of the olympics so i'm really happy really excited some people are like oh why are you guys not going there like i feel like it's just chaos and and the last thing i want to do now that there's a little break is get on another flight and go muck it up with the Italians who are going to be sitting around not finishing the rink. The rink looks good. The rink looks real good right now. I saw a couple videos. I'm like, those guys do work. This is no exaggeration. And G is telling me Chicklets U will be at Wisconsin this weekend. Perfect time. I think they've lost like seven in a row. So G, you're going to have to turn those guys around. Fish says G and I will be at the Wisconsin game on Friday versus Notre Dame. That's it. We will be back to you Friday, Game Notes Wednesday. Murriles is for sure still hungover from Penn State. He might still be there. He's also a coach of the football team, so we might have to get his act together. Love everyone for listening. Thank you so much. Flyers fans are going to be bitching about Meechkov Iceheim at the Olympics. That's how stupid they are. Have a great one. Have a great one, everyone. It won't happen again It won't happen It won't happen It won't happen again A bad habit Word breaking But it's taking time And I know It don't matter It's gonna happen It's gonna happen again The Drop by GNC. It's where you'll find all the newest creatine innovations, like new GNC Amp Creabolic. It's a first-of-its-kind formula designed to help athletes not just build muscle, but also repair and protect it in ways creatine alone can. 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