Cenk Uygur: Epstein, JFK, 9-11, Israel’s Terrorism and the Consequences of Opposing It

Good to see you, Jank. Good to see you, Tucker. I haven't seen you since we had a debate years ago, I think, at Politicon, totally different world. But I was singing this morning as I was driving in. I'm like, hmm, of all the things you could do to infuriate your audience, this is probably at the top of the list. Like, you don't need to do this. Why are you doing this? Yeah. So there's a couple of reasons why. Number one, I want to take yes for an answer. We've been anti war for 20 years. So I have not been so blessed you for that. Thank you, brother, and welcome. Thank you, happy. Yeah. And so that's amazing, that's important. And I also want to break down the barriers of Republicans versus Democrats, right wing, versus left wing. I think that it's kind of used to divide us. And I think that the powerful have already have an incredible elite team. They're very, very organized and they do it through donations to the politicians, et cetera. But the American people are not organized. We have built two teams, but those two teams, the Republicans and the Democrats have been trained to fight each other instead of fighting up, right? Exactly. And so when you split the population that way, you take away all of their energy because you have them use their energy against one another rather than against you. It's actually brilliant. That's how they're British rolled India. Exactly, right? Yes. And it's done on a meta level in every way. Also, by the way, on a global level, Christians versus Muslims, two billion here, two billion there. Make sure you guys are fighting one another. And hey, look at that. We've used up all your energy fighting one another and not looking up. I've noticed, yeah. Okay. So, and then of course, the third issue is Israel. And so that's what I want to talk to a lot about today. I hope. And I think that that's an animating issue for a number of reasons, not because it's the end all be all, but because it is deeply symbolic. And so whether it's big farmer or big oil or APEC, they are buying our politicians. And so you're a rare person saying that. I'm a person saying that and they mainstream media works against us and they try to shut us up and say, don't tell anybody about money and politics. Yes. These politicians are honest and honorable people having debates. They're not having any debates. They're cashing checks. And so I want all of America to know that. And at the end of the day, Tucker, if we don't unite as Americans, the powerful are going to rule us forever. I think that's exactly that is absolutely true. So let's just start with motive. I hate going to motive because it's like, we don't even know our own motives a lot of the time, right? Motive is very hard to determine. But when this topic comes up, people go immediately to motive. You're taking money from somebody, a foreign power. Okay. You're a secret. You have got some secret of religious affiliation. You're filled with hate. It's all about why you have these views rather than addressing the views themselves. I've just noticed this. Having lived it. And so I just want to ask you about Israel specifically. How did you come to this and what are your motives? Yeah. It's a difficult for me and one for me because I grew up in a town that was about 50% Jewish. So I have tons of Jewish friends. I have Jewish family. I have an nephew and niece who are Jewish. And so I don't want to make people uncomfortable. And I don't want this to be about the Jews. That's crazy. And what I tell people all the time is, hey, listen, my friend Dave, my friend Jack, must not never call them and ask for a question. Right. Now who was never like, hey, should we take 53% of guys? What do you think Dave? Right. So that's not how it works. So if you're so I anyone who's got that intent, I'm not interested in. Okay. You're not going to have me as an ally. It's not going to work out. I have Jewish family. I have Jewish friends. I'll never sell them out. Okay. Right. So and the other thing about Jewish Americans is they're Americans and we're I believe in a United America. Okay. So you're for America. I love you. I protect you. I'll give you one last example of the argument. You be thousands, right? But Dave Smith is an amazing ally of ours. Wonderful. Yeah. I agree. So if you come for Dave, you come for all of us. He's one of us. Okay. We protect our own Americans. Right. Okay. So now why do I have an issue with Israel then? Even though I would actually naturally want to ally with Israel. Yes. Into all the Jewish friends of family that I have. Right. I didn't know a lot of Palestinians growing up. I only knew one Palestinian. We had one in our high school. We had hundreds of Jewish folks who loved Israel, etc. Right. The problem with Israel isn't just the genocide that they just committed, but that would be enough. That is a horrific injustice. In Gaza. In Gaza. I mean, you've got it well over 70,000 dead. You've got God knows how many thousands bird in the rubble and they're adding to the count every day. You've got 10% of the entire population that was either killed or injured, which is a stunning number. That's why almost all every genocide scholars says it's obviously a genocide, right? 10% of the entire population? Yes. Either killed or injured. Okay. To be over 200,000. Yes. That's right. Because the amount injured are well over 130,000. Okay. Just to be clear on that, like that's a number that we should know, I think, since we paid for it. And I think it's so important to know what death tolls and the injury count is because you did this and you have to know what the consequences are. I think it's totally fair. We don't know when the Russia Ukraine war. We have no idea. And we have no idea in Gaza. And I just want to say that there are estimates that it's over half a million. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the point. We should know that. Yeah. We've a right to know that. So Tucker, that's going to go to points two and three, which I just disrupted with you. Sorry. No, not at all. But I want to come back to that because two and three are super important because it's symbolic of the power that all the donor class has not just Israel, but also with Israel, you have gaslighting that is extreme where you don't have that in any other. Can you explain what that is? So you'll say, Hey, I don't think we should give Israel another 30 billion dollars or another 100 billion. I want to get into all these numbers in a second, right? And they'll say anti-Semite. Now, wait a minute. That doesn't make any sense. Like we can mad lib this, right? You take any Israeli target point and put in a different country and it sounds absurd, right? Like you owe Thailand $300 billion. People will be like, well, no, we don't anti-tie racist, right? You're like, well, I don't even know any Thai people. What are you talking about? You're an anti-tieist, right? I'm not, right? Why do you hate Thailand? Exactly, but that's see, but you're obsessed with Thailand. That's my favorite. You're obsessed with Thailand. Okay. By the way, I would be obsessed with Thailand if Thailand took $300 billion off of us, right? And if Thailand was like, you have to attack everyone else in Southeast Asia. You know, we have a Thai Christian heritage. Yeah. And imagine if India did that. And they're like, we have a Hindu Christian heritage. And that's why you need to attack Pakistan. Yeah. And by the way, if you're not for attacking Pakistan, you're clearly being paid by Bhutan. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. People who are working for a foreign government accusing you who just want to stay out of it, of working for a foreign government. Is that what gaslighting is? Yeah. Gaslighting is when the media says, takes something very reasonably you're saying and makes us stand like, it's crazy. Like so we say, we gave them $21.7 billion in the middle of a genocide. Okay. So that's on top of the $300 billion, right? And that's by the way, 10 to 12 billion we spend bombing Iran, Yemen and almost all there enemies in the same period of time. We just gave them another 8.6 billion and another 3.3 billion that happened in the last two weeks. So when you say, let's just take one sliver of that. Hey, I didn't want to pay for a genocide. I didn't want to do that, right? Whether it was the tie, the Bulgarians, the Israelis, I just, I don't want to kill 20,000 children. I don't want you to spend my money killing 20,000 children. I don't care what race or religion they are. Why are you so hateful? Exactly. And that's literally what they say. I'm against killing kids. They didn't do anything actually. Yeah. And they say, so you hate shoes. That's gaslight, right? Right. That's so wait. I live in that country. Yeah, I know what that is. Yeah. So I'm the one trying to stop the killing. I'm for nonviolence. In fact, I'm religiously for nonviolence. If I have any religion at all, it's nonviolence. My hero is Martin Luther King and Gandhi and Mandela. And so I say, do not do any violence to anyone. It would be, in fact, if someone is doing what is there against us, right? And I say, and don't, and you just heard me say it. I say, a thousand times. I love Jewish people. This is not about the Jews. So this country wants us to pay for a genocide. I just don't want to pay for a genocide. They listen to all that and they go, now everybody understand that Janky was an anti-Semite who hates Jews and is like an emoral person. And if you're not pro genocide, you're anti-Jewish. No, no, no, don't say that. Don't say that because you're actually going to get my Jewish friends hurt. When you say your anti-genocide means your anti-Jewish, that equates Judaism with genocide. Don't, don't, I don't know anything that drives up anti-Semitism more than that. But back to the original injustice and then we'll get back to more and more gaslighting because the gaslighting is another perfect symbol of what mainstream media does and establishment media does, right? The gaslight on almost every issue. So real quick, one more, like big pharma. We can't negotiate drug prices. They're like, that's pro free markets. No negotiation. Wait. It's capitalism. Being able to negotiate prices is the exact opposite of the free markets. Everything on television is a lie. It's all an illusion. That's very funny. I've never really thought about it like that, but that is so true. Yeah. I mean, why are we not rebelling against the biggest socialist or communist program in American history? Totally. That we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices. What kind of absurdity is that? And we're the only country on earth that applies to. So it's just they're like magicians, establishment media, Sienna and MSMBC. They're like, look here. Look here. 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Like New Jersey, you grew up in New Jersey was a pharma stronghold. You know, basking rates that whole area is filled with pharma companies are making the drugs that they are not anymore. We don't make antibiotics. We don't make vitamin C. We don't make all these drugs because they have short of. So we protected them from fair competition by eliminating negotiation and they left anyway. So like what? What's the upside here? I gave you a thousand examples. We gave the semiconductor industry 50 some odd billion dollars under Biden. It was the chips act and all the Democrats are like, he's FDR 2.0. I'm like, guys, that's a 50 billion dollar corporate subsidy. Okay. And did we put any guard rails in? So did we say, hey, Intel, here's at least eight of the 50 billion goes straight to you. I think it might have been 12 in that ballpark. So now as a condition to that, you're supposed to build here in America. So you can't fire any Americans. If you fire any Americans, then obviously we're not going to give you the money because the ostensible reason for us giving you the money is to build a semiconductor industry here in America. Exactly. Right. Intel fired 8,000 people right after the bill passed because there's no guard rails because why in Americans? 8,000 Americans. 8,000 Americans. Of course. Immediately. They fired them immediately. It's a joke. The whole thing's a joke that none of the politicians mean it and the people that allow them to get away with all of this. So all of that is the robbery, right? Make sure you media is the getaway car. Okay. So they come in and they make excuses. Oh, FDR 2.0. It's brilliant to give away your money to the semiconductor industry. It's brilliant to give it away to big form and it is really if anybody objects their conspiracy, theorists and antisemites, it said, their job is not to cover the news. It's to cover up the news. So I mean, you can't look at that is literally true. Yeah. So Obama ran a campaign called campaign ad called Billy back in 2008 and it was about the deal to not negotiate dark prices. It was outrageous. Everyone hated it. Democrat named Billy Tauzan had negotiated it in Congress. That's why the ad was called Billy and Obama was saying, I'm not going to be like those Democrats, right? Yeah. He got in. Said we're not negotiating drug prices. Trump said we're going to negotiate drug prices. Not going to negotiate drugs. So I knew Billy Tauzan really well. A wonderful guy from Shaq, Bailey, Louisiana, just a really charming guy used to hunt with him a lot and I always loved him still do. But he went from Congress to what you know his next job was? Lobby's. He had a big farmer. Exactly. He was the head farm who obvious and that's my point Tucker. Not attacking him, but that that happened. I was there. Yeah. Look what? So mainstream media looks at that and goes, no, I don't see it. I don't see it. Big farmer gives more like four times more than the Israeli lobby does. And they're like, no, I don't see it. I'm like, isn't the adage follow the money? So here is an industry giving billions of dollars to politicians. That's a lot of money. Oh yeah. 5,000 at a time, right? And then just super packs, etc. They seem like they're bribing almost all of Congress. No, no conspiracy theory. I had a, because they're bribing all the media to a drug. Of course. That's the number one advertisers or drug companies. Number two advertisers, by the way, are politicians. Why do they always say that politicians are honest and they're having real debates? Because politicians are actually their top clients. So when they use spent $17 billion in money and politics, where does it go? It goes almost all to establishment media to buy ads. So the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are the best clients that CNN New York times have. So they are always talking about how great the Republican and Democratic parties are, how terrible primaries are. Primaries use up that money. We didn't get all those bribes. Ascended and spend it in a primary. We got it to have a fake fight in the general election where you have the lesser of two evils. So we got you. So that's, you can, that's the rose out of stone, money in politics. Once you see that, you see how politics works and you also see how media works. We send these us back to Israel. So we say, guys, they have contributed, guardian to the peace on this. The Israeli lobby has contributed to 94% of Congress. Okay. First, do you think they did that for their health for the general welfare? Or do you think that every group they have is named after Israel because the whole point is to support Israel, right? That's not a complicated question. It's the American Israeli political action committee. It's got Israel. One of the groups is called Democratic majority for Israel. They ran $4 million worth of ads against Nina Turner, which is one of Bernie Sanders campaign shares to make sure that she was defeated by Chantelle Brown. Chantelle Brown was one of 11 people running. Nina Turner had almost no ratings at all. Nina had a 35 point lead. She was running against the little potions. Chantelle Brown puts a statement on her website saying how much she loves Israel. Boom, $4 million appears. All in favor of Chantelle Brown, all against Nina Turner, that's her raising her hand saying, I will work for Israel. Remember what happened in the end? They erased a 35 point lead. They bought every ad in Cleveland. And most importantly, they got mainstream media to say now, remember, Nina Turner hates Joe Biden. So she loves Donald Trump. Now, that's Cleveland voters. They don't want that, right? Now, is that true? No, she has a set a statement that voting for Biden is like eating a half bowl of shit. But okay, but she said, but voting for Trump is like eating a full bowl of shit. So what am I going to do? I'll eat the half, right? She they never ever put the second half of the statement in. They just said in every news story, whether it's on TV or on the newspapers, Nina Turner says voting for Biden is eating a half bowl of shit. She's so Trump favorite, but how could she be pro Trump? The rest of the sentence says he's twice as bad. So people in mainstream media are giant liars. They've lied about me all the time. They lie about republished Democrats, but mainly they lie to protect the donor class. So then again, back to Israel, and it gives us such a perfect symbol, 94% of Congress. It's not 34% you had 34% because they have a lot of control. It's a lot of money that they're giving to a third of our Congress. As 64% you'd say, come on, they have enormous power if not control. And 94% it's clearly control. Further part of that guardian story is 82% of Congress votes basically with Israel every single time. That 82% on average gets 100 and just in that last election, like let alone all the other ones, $125,000 per member of Congress. Now, established media says that's not a bribe. They're just talking to one another. Oh, hey, how you doing? Here's $125,000 so you'll vote for Israel, but it's not for so you'll vote for Israel. It's that you can have a better debate or whatever. And they're like, of course, that's not a bribe and they don't control those members. Well, how come they vote with Israel every single time? Why don't you follow the money? I thought the old adage of journalism was follow the money. And every time we ask you to follow the money, you call us an anti-Samite. And that's really, really weird. That's a super weird thing to do. Again, madlib, filling any other country. Imagine that Bulgaria was giving to 90% of Congress. We're great Britain or Sweden. Well, any country doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And you said, well, it seems like the Bulgarians have 94% of our Congress locked up. How dare you anti-Bulgarian racist? You're bulgarist. Right. It would be absurd. Of course, you have to point this out. So and what have they gotten in return for the hundreds of millions that A-PAC and other Israeli lobby organizations have put into Congress? At this point, they've probably put in over a billion dollars collectively over all those years. So what they've gotten back is over $300 billion in funding through the lifetime of Israel, adjusted for inflation. That's before October 7th. We add that 21.7. You could argue 10 or 12 billion more for the wars we're fighting for them. Those are not free. Every time we drop a bomb on Iran or Yemen or Nigeria, it costs us money or Iraq or Iraq. That's why we did that. But look, if you get into that, the global war on terror, which is if we're being honest, the global war against Israel's enemies, costs us $8 trillion. So Israel's lucky if we don't count that eight trillion. It's why we're bankrupt. Yeah. Here we are at 38 trillion and Tucker, that's the other amazing part. So now in the last two weeks, they give and Trump gave another 8.6 billion totally on account. Where's that 8.6 billion coming from? Did anybody ever vote for that 8.6 billion? And then on a baited, he gave another 3.3 billion. Where is this money coming from? Does anybody voting on this? What is going on? Well, it's that. It's these are IOUs to countries that are buying our treasuries. Exactly. So that's the next layer of it. So you're telling us we have to borrow money from China and Japan so we can give money for free to Israel. And then we pay the interest for the rest of our lives and they don't pay any interest. Well, why don't they borrowed from China and Japan? Exactly. 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So to be fair to Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle, he actually did the thing that you say. He gave $16 million to the IDF in the middle of the genocide. As a donation. How about $5 billion? I mean, that's $16 million for it. It's not much actually. Yeah. So I'm going to get back to that. He's like, hey, genocide well done. Keep genociding. Here's $16 million more. It's a really, it's an outrageous thing to do. But okay, you love Israel. You love that they're committing a genocide against Palestinians. You despise Palestinians. You're deeply racist and you're bigoted against Muslims. That's your business, Larry Ellison. Okay. So, but now he thinks, wait a minute. What if I give the American politicians? And then instead of me giving the $5 billion or the $50 billion, we get the sucker American taxpayers to give it. Right? So now how can I do that? It's actually simple. It's so dishonorable that I can't really even fit that in my head. To folks. I don't force other people to pay for charities, I support them because I support them. I mean, that's what integrity is. I can't imagine sticking a gun in someone's face and so you have to donate to my charity. Yeah. So in this case, it's not a charity. It's said for you guys that you believe in. Yeah. Okay. Dropsite news has done some terrific reporting and they found emails of a food baroque form, prime minister of Israel and others. Can I say a dropsite news has done some amazing reporting? Yeah. Fantastic. It's unbelievable. And in fact, the way that established media is not covering their stories shows you what a joke it is. Dropsite news breaks more story. I really wasn't sure what it was until recently. They're breaking more stories than the New York Times Washington Post put together by far. Yeah. It's not an accident. That's because they're trying to break stories. Yes, they are. Is trying to do the opposite. Yeah. Epstein stories are amazing and we should get back there. They're unbelievable. I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah. No, no, absolutely. So dropsite news found the emails of Larry Ellison talking to the Israeli ambassador. And he says, this is back in 2016, 2015, 2016, that campaign. And he says, I'm going to go vet Marco Rubio for Israel. Now, remember Larry Ellison's ostensibly an American, okay? But he doesn't, he's talking to the Israeli ambassador and says, I'm going to make sure Marco Rubio is on Israel side. Then he goes and talks to a metaparty. He comes back and then reports back to the Israeli ambassador. Don't worry. He's on our side. I'm giving him five million for his super pack. By the way, at that time, that's against Donald Trump. Okay. So that's Larry Ellison saying, I'm basically buying Marco Rubio on behalf of Israel. So that doesn't even go to Marco Rubio's A-pack tracker. He's over a million dollars from the Israeli lobby. But they've got all the secret money and they're super packs and all the other things that they have. And in that case, he's caught because we have his emails. So don't tell me he's not working for the Israelis when we have emails showing he works for the Israelis. And then what is the consequence of that? Hey, look at that Marco Rubio secretary state. And now we're going to war against Iran, maybe Venezuela. We're doing everything that Israel wants. And so that's a nice break they caught. What a coincidence. And by the way, this is not a partisan issue. You had Obama's former speechwriter go out the other day and say, we probably overtaught the Holocaust to our kids. Okay. This woman, I think Sarah Herwoods, but if I've got the name wrong. That's right. Yeah. So that's off time I had of who she is, but she Obama speechwriter. And she says we should we we taught them the Nazis were strong and oppressed the weak, but now Israel is strong and targeting the weak. So we shouldn't teach that anymore. I'm like, do you hear yourself? Do you hear what you're saying? And then at free press somebody wrote an article about, oh, our kids, they're against genocide. Now what did we do wrong? You didn't do anything wrong. You told a wonderful thing. You told them you taught him Jewish culture. Never again, stick up for the underdog question authority. Camp murder innocence. I mean, that is, that's like a baseline. You can't murder people who didn't do anything wrong. Because it is murder. And that's just a vacation for killing innocent people ever. So if you think about it, let's just take the Marco Rubio example and I'm not putting it all on Rubio. It's a giant institution and infrastructure. And like I said, it's 94% of Congress, right? But you put in 5 million of Marco Rubio a decade later, he's secretary of state. And in the middle of your genocide, you got 21.7 billion dollars. Now if you're Larry Allison, do you want to put into 20 billion, one billion yourself? Or do you want to put in 5 million to a politician? And then you get the 21 billion for free. The problem is that it treats the people who are giving the money against their will. There's never been a vote on this. If there was a national referendum on, should we be sending tens of billions of dollars to a country, not around? Of course, it would fail immediately. But it treats those people very badly as kind of subhuman, like it cares what they think. We're just going to take their money in debt their children into the generations. And it's just the contempt that that displays for Americans is unsettling to me. So I have a proposal on that, Tucker. So why don't we do a poll? And I challenge Santa and New York Times Gallup, anyone to do this poll. And if none of them accept a challenge, then we'll do the poll, we'll commission the poll and then we'll see. And then they could verify it if they like. And the poll is, does America owe Israel any more money? Because every pundit on television say, we owe Israel. We owe Israel. They never explain why, right? You owe really say that all the time. They say, okay, you're putting me 300 billion. You owed Israel. Of course you should pay them 300 billion. Why do why? Why pay them 21 or 31 billion in the middle of a genocide? You owe Israel. Why do I owe Israel? No one ever explains. No one ever explains. They actually say that out loud. We owe them. Of course, of course. For what? Where's the debt from? Yeah. And so when I press, I press on every one of these target points. It's part of why they despise me, right? And I say, okay, help me understand that. Why would we owe Israel? Well, they suffered a Holocaust. The Jewish people. Well, first of all, the Jewish people did not Israel, right? That's different. Okay, but wait, we rescued them from the Holocaust. And all those Americans died. A lot of them, hundreds of thousands of Americans died fighting out war. If we rescued them from the Holocaust, why do we owe them money? It's like none of these talking points make any sense. If you only had just, you know, just prick the bubble and people instantly go, oh, wait a minute. Lift the curtain. So here we rescued them. They'll actually say that. Yeah. So there were Bosnians, right? For example, right? We rescued them from a genocide from the Serbs, right? And I'm proud of that. And I think we did, you know, we saved tons and tons of lives. And you could say, maybe we shouldn't have interfered. Maybe we should be more isolationist. It's a good debate, but at least we did something demonstrably good there. Okay? Bosnians, after we rescued them from the genocide, come and to say to us, you owe us. No, they said, thank you. By the way, you won't find anyone on this planet who loves America's more than Bosnians. Okay? And so they love America. They appreciate America. Poland lost five million people in the Holocaust, 1.8 million non-Jews, 3 million Jews. So after the Holocaust, Poland could have said you owe us. No, we saved Poland. Russia saved Poland. We saved Jews. Russia saved Jews. By the way, did Russia ever get a thank you after losing what, 20 million or so people in the war, right? Instead now Israel's constantly attacking Russia. I got no love for Russia. I think Putin is wrong. I don't think he should have invaded Ukraine. But wait a minute. Why does anybody owe Israel for anything? It doesn't make any sense at all. No, it doesn't. Okay? So now they want a new memorandum of understanding. They were going to try to make it 20 years. And partly because of you and us and all the people that are going, wait, why? That a memorandum of understanding is a president saying we owe you for the next 10 years, 20 years, et cetera. And that's an agreement between the United States and Israel. Yes. So for example, Obama signed a 10 year memorandum of understanding saying we owe Israel 3.8 billion every year for 10 years. So no votes on it during that period. The only votes you get is it gets put automatically into the budget every year. And once it gets put in, you have to actively take it out. But if you go to take it out, they'll call you an anti-Semite and try to ruin your career. I have amazing stories about that. Marie Newman, a U.S. Congresswoman voted against one of the appropriations that Israel got. Four Democratic colleagues come on the floor of the house and say, how dare you? How dare you vote against Israel? We're going to take away all your money. Actually. Yes, you could ask Marie, no, not about a hand. When did she set it on the young Turks? This happened just a couple of years ago. Okay, she was in Congress from Illinois. They said, we're going to take away all your money and we're going to spend a ton of money against you. Her own party? Yeah. Her own party. And that's what happened. They spent about four million against her eliminated. No way. And 11. Jewish American Congressman from Michigan, kind of a legendary Jewish family in Michigan. Car Leaven was a senator. Yes, Senator Leaven, yeah. Yeah. Andy Leaven says, two state solutions. He says, I love Israel. I'm a Zionist. Okay. But obviously we should have a free and independent Israel and a free and independent Palestine. Four million against Andy Leaven eliminated. No way. Eliminated. Jamal Bowman, you think it was about the fire alarm? Hey, you might be upset about the fire alarm or whatever else Jamal Bowman did. They spent the Israeli lobby spent 19 million eliminating Jamal Bowman. Mori Bush eliminated. Okay. Anyone who opposes Israel is eliminated. This year marks the 250th anniversary of our country and it's a great time to think about what makes America strong. Companies that make their products here play a major role in our national strength. American workers working with American steel. That is the source of pride and Liberty Safe is one of those companies doing it. 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I wonder about that strategy, which they're now employing on the right and trying to tarp you know, slandering people as Nazis or trying to get them killed. What's they're doing? But I wonder like as a strategy, obviously it's immoral, but it doesn't actually work. Isn't it better to say as you would in any negotiation like here are the things I actually care about. Let's see if we can come to terms like allow a little bit of flexibility. There's no flexibility allowed. Well, Tucker, congrats. You have forced Israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly. I don't feel that at all. I feel that because I've never been against Israel and I'm not against Israel now. I'm not against any person actually. I'm certainly as a Christian totally opposed to hating a group based on its blood. That would include whites, blacks, Hispanics, Turks, and Jews. And I mean that. So whatever I've really tried to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's settle this down. It doesn't work and I just wonder. That doesn't seem like a good strategy. I guess that's what I'm saying. This doesn't negotiating position. It's like you have to have some willingness to move. You can't be that rigid or you're not going to win in the end. Yeah. The reason I said that is because, look, first let's distinguish. There's mainstream media purposely blends all these things together. Partly because Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as human shields. They want to say, if you attack us, you're attacking Jewish Americans. And so you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to, right? But in reality, there's Jews as people slash Jewish Americans. Then there's how you feel about Israel. Then there's how you feel about the Israeli government. We are talking about the current Israeli government. And they say, no, you're talking about Jews because they want to hide behind that, right? When we keep saying, no, not the Jews. And they're like, no, the Jews, the Jews. Like stop saying the Jews. It's not the Jews. Well, moreover, I get to define what I think and what I'm talking about. And let me repeat myself. I think anti-Semitism is immoral and I won't engage in an ever-period. So I get to decide because I'm a sovereign man, what I think, and I can try to express it as well as I can. No one has a right to tell you what you think. Yeah, it's really obnoxious to the people. What's our well-being? It's like, are you in charge of my soul? Yeah, I don't think you are. So, for example, I'm an atheist. So what does that mean? That means I think all humans are pretty much the same, genetically, right? That's stone cold. So if you told me a Jewish, a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu, it's different. I'm philosophically opposed to that. I'm an ideologically opposed to that. I'm scientifically opposed to that. I just think it's wrong. It's incorrect, factually incorrect. So that is a distraction and they've now weaponized the term anti-Semitism, which also does a lot of damage. Because when real anti-Semitism comes, people think, oh, those are the heroes fighting against the genocide, right? That's what I was doing. Just scares people. I've experienced this a lot in my personal life where people I know and love have been convinced that I'm Nazi or Nazi a J-Center, hate Jews or whatever, and that I'm trying to hurt people, which is literally the opposite of what I would ever do, want to do. I don't agree with that at all. And I say that constantly, but they've whipped people into a frenzy, praying upon their deepest fears. And there are many victims of that kind of evil, but one of the victims is the people who are being terrified. Like, people are terrified. I think actually the number one target of Israeli propaganda is Jewish Americans. Of course. They say, well, if it's not for Israel, the whole world hates you and you're all going to die. You're all going to die. Everyone hates you. And it's an only protection. It's a hate that can't be even reasoned with or discussed. You don't have to know anything about why people disagree. It's hate. It's fundamentally irrational and it will never end until they kill you or you kill them. It's like, whoa, that is a very heavy thing. First of all, it's untrue. Second, you're inspiring violence by talking like that. I mean, the only endpoint of that kind of thinking is violence. It can only be solved by violence, but killer be killed. That's what they're saying. Yeah. Again, mad libate say, okay, let's say that you oppose something the Turkish government did, which I hope you do because they've done plenty of bad things. I oppose a bunch of things that the Turkish government has done. If after, I just don't like Turks, that's my problem. But I mean, that's the point, right? If you said, hey, I don't think the Turks should have gone into northern Syria. And I say anti-Turkish racist, you'd be like, what? What kind of lunatic are you, right? That's not a thing. That does it just because you disagree with the actions of a government at this time. Doesn't mean that you hate Turks in perpetuity forever and ever. You hated them before you hate them after. No, I just don't agree. Look, I didn't agree with the Iraq war. Does that mean I hate Americans? No, it means I don't agree with that government action taken at that time. Of course. And all of that is very logical until you get to Israel and then they flip it on its head. But can you see how irrational and fear-based the conversation is becoming and the cost to American society, not even having anything to do with Israel, but just that way of thinking is a scary way of thinking. First of all, it's identity, politics, and its purest form. This group versus that group, this group has special rights, this group has fewer rights. I mean, this is everything that I hate and it disagreed with as a Christian. But can you see the cost to the whole society because of this? It's enormous cost. So making people hate each other. Yeah, look, I'll go back to the stats on how awful the genocide was and all of that. But to me, at least as bad is the control over this country. Okay. And I came here to be free and I came here for American sovereignty. How old were you when you came? Eight years old. My family came here because my dad is an enormous believer in America. Like, yes. You won't find a family who loves America more than we do, right? Yes. He had that belief in faith and it was met. We came here and that faith was true. That hope was delivered and we have lived amazing lives in this country because of the opportunity and the hope that this country provided. And by the way, our answer to that is thank you. Amen. I feel that way. I feel grateful. Yeah. I mean, enormously grateful to America. And by the way, when America helps you, the correct answers, thank you. Not you, only. Okay. Give me more. That's not the correct answer. Right. And it's not taken as a correct answer from any other country. But when it comes to Israel and they say, no, give me more, right? We're supposed to say, oh, thank you, sir. No, I don't want to say thank you. You have children. How would you respond to your children if they said that to you? Oh, you, I would be a mistake for them. Yes. Oh, you can't. And there would be consequences. You can't put up with that. Not for one second. You degrade yourself. You hurt the person you're dealing with because you inspire more of that behavior, which is totally bad behavior. Yeah, it's so unhelp. I mean, how could we get, how do we get into this? Yeah, let me give you two examples about how they are taking our freedom away. Okay. So a friend of mine runs a company in LA. He gets an email from what looks like probably a bot, but it could be an Israeli troll, whatever it is. But somebody writing in saying, we found out that one of your American workers is an anti-Semite and you should fire her. He's like, really? I didn't know that. What does she do? Did she attack someone? Did she say something outrageous? And he finds out that she had put up a Palestinian flag during the genocide as supportive like, Hey, I'm against the genocide. These poor people on her Facebook. Okay. That's it. Nothing against this. You're allowed to have that view. You can support the Palestinians. You can support Hamas. You can support whatever you want as an American. But she's not supporting Hamas. I get it. But like, let's just remind ourselves that we have a full range of intellectual freedom. Because of the first minute and because God gave us those rights, not any administration. So like you cannot allow infringement on those rights. She doesn't even say anything against Israel, little one Jews. She just says, you know, just has the Palestinian flag. They're like, that's just an average American. It's not Tucker Carlson. It's not Jank Eugur when she doesn't have a show. She's the random American. Now all of a sudden, the Israelis are emailing your boss and saying, if they dare even support the Palestinians, treat them as humans. They're anti-Samites and they should be fired. No, no, that's oppression. That's oppression. And it's against the average American. I can't stand it. Okay. So you and I get attacked. Sure, there is oppression. Yeah, not stopped. But I get it. We're in the media. We're in war. Right. These information wars, media wars, etc. But leave average Americans out of it. And they were and they won't tolerate it. They won't tolerate any dissent. Any dissent at all. What is that? Because so you know why Tucker, it's worked for them. Well, now that gets at least a second example, Barry Weiss, right? So Barry Weiss claims she's like, remember when she was at the New York Times, she's fighting against cancel culture. Our college campus has been taken over by cancel culture. She put out at cancel culture when she was on the campus of her college, Columbia, when she pushed for anyone who was against Israel to be silenced. I mean, she's always been for cancel culture. Exactly. So she actually started her career as a student who went around saying, I'm proudly Zionist and I'm going to try to take out Arab and Muslim professors who don't tow the line for Israel. So she got famous doing cancel culture on college campus. Well, I remember very well. Then she pretends in the middle of her career that she's against cancel culture specifically on college campuses. I mean, the lie is so brazen. Right. And then she goes to free press and then starts cancel culture again on college campuses. They spoke out against Israel. They should be fired. They should be arrested. Oh, yeah. It's it. We wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm a dangerous Nazi. Yeah. We. You're talking about arresting Americans for disagreeing with another government, with another country. I mean, if you're not bothered by that, then you're, you're, you have a servant mindset, right? So folks obviously have 94% of Congress. They obviously pro Israel factions have almost all of established media. We can come back to why. Okay. And I'm okay with it. I will serve them. Well, I'm not okay with it. I don't want to bow. I love that America's free. We came for that freedom and that freedom is delivered for us. But I don't want to give it away. I don't want to give it away to anyone. If I want to give away my freedom, I would have stayed in the Middle East. Yeah. Okay. The promise of America, our family did. So and you know among, among Muslim Americans, there is no group. I've born Muslim. I'm atheist now. Okay. So I, I, I, I went through the religions. It wasn't for me. Okay. But am I going to defend my family and my background? Sure I am. Of course. Right. But ideologically, I'm atheist. So, um, I had, we, this country had room for me and this country didn't ask. Are you Muslim? Are you atheist? Are you this? Are you that? It just, it gave me the same rights as anyone else. And I love that. And I'm, I'm pretty sure, I mean, everyone's taking away democracy in Turkey in my opinion. Yes. And he's done some good foreign policy, but it's, it's domestic policy. I'm, I'm against. Okay. If I stayed in Turkey, I would almost certainly be in president's point. Right. And here I'm not in prison. No. And if you turn America into an occupied nation, that's not what we came for. That's not what, I mean, that is against the core of what America is. And if they're paying 94% of Congress, we're occupied. Yes. We are. And it's not just Israel. We're occupied by big farmers and big oil and the, the fast contractors. But all those politicians represent those people and not us. I would love my driving goal is regain American sovereignty. And when I go to talk to Muslim groups, a, they say, look, now all of a sudden, they're very open to the right way. Why are they open to the right way? Because you, Candace, Megan and others are saying, hey, maybe we got fed a lot of propaganda to hate Muslims because they happen to be Israel's enemies. Well, of course. And so maybe all that media about how they're all their terrorists, terrorists, and you look at it and go away. And we were taught by books that Robert Maxwell bought that Israel was attacked in 1948. Israel was attacked in 1967. Israel's always the victim victim victim. And then you look, you go, wait a minute, 1967 Israel attacked. I was lied to it. No, Israel attacked all of its neighbors and destroyed their military, their air forces before they even got up off the ground, right? And they called that a preemptive strike. So that became the new self defense is offense. And what did we do in Iraq? Preemptive strike. We went into Iraq and they could have weapons of mass destruction. By the way, where did we get that false intelligence? Israel. At the time, Ariel Sharon was saying Iraq is Israel's number one enemy. Iraq at the time, by the way, hated Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda attacked us. Of course, it was a bathist government. It was secular. They had tons of Christians in the government. Yeah, not only that, Al Qaeda constantly attacked the local rulers. So Saddam ever called Al Qaeda. He executed them on the spot, right? So in a sense, he's an ally of sorts, in that case, against Al Qaeda. And a counterbalance to Iran. Yeah. It should held our hostages for over a year in 1979. So it's like, that was in no sense consistent with our interests. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 at all. Despite the many, many lies, I knew people who told those lies really, really Steve Hayes wrote a whole book about it was a lie. No one's ever apologized. Those lies all served one imperative, which is fight Israel's enemies. I was there. So I know that that's true. And everyone knows that that's true. And you're now required to lie about it. It was just a mistake. It was not a mistake at all. It was totally intentional. Yeah. And so when I give speeches to those Muslim groups, and I talk about American sovereignty, that's when I get the biggest applause. Because who is the victim of another government meddling in the American government? The most. Muslim Americans are. Because I mean, there's no equivalent. I mean, for any money that the Gulf countries or anything else puts into America, it doesn't get any power at all. Okay. So, but the Turks, this is interesting because you were born in Turkey. You came here at your co-host on your show or someone on your show in a Casparinist, just a wonderful person, I think. But he's Armenian. So one of the most famous feuds in history, one of those famous genocides was the Armenian Genocide right after the during the First World War. And here you are, good friends and work together every day. And that to me is a huge part of the promise of America. You can leave your tribal wars in the countries of origin and come here and interact as equals under the American flag as citizens. Like that is truly the vision. I think everyone, you know, we imported tons of Irish in the 1840s into an Anglo country. They didn't need each other. Those countries had been hated each other for centuries, but they all came here and pretty much got along, sort of watching the Israelis import which they are doing and there are many proxies in the US importing their ancient tribal conflicts into my country telling me there's an Anglo multi century American, my family, that I have to hate Muslims or something. First of all, all the side who I hate, not you, it's not up to you who I hate. You're not in charge of me. And second, like that's your battle. Why don't you keep it in the Levant? Like I don't want anything to do with that, right? Yeah. But now it completely dominates you. I hate Muslims. It's like, first of all, I believe in Jesus. I'm not a Muslim, but I like a lot of Muslims and I'm never going to say I don't. And it's not funny that they're like, if you don't agree to everything the Israeli government does, then you hate shoes. But if you don't, I don't hate shoes and I don't hate Muslims and I don't want any part of their fight. I mean, what? What a wait Tucker. Then they go on to the second part of the sentence. So like if you disagree with Israel, you're a bigot. And they say, you have to hate Muslims. But wait a minute, I thought you were against bigotry. So you're not against bigotry. So how does hate all Muslims, any different from hate all Jews? Well, it's not. It's not. It's not right. It's the same. And but these, you know, you have people who don't believe in universal principles and that's kind of the core problem. It's like only certain types of hate are bad. Only certain kinds of bigotry bad. No, no, no. If bigotry is bad, it's always bad because all people are created by God and they're inherently equal. Different abilities, they do have different abilities, but they have equal value. And if you don't believe that, which Barry Wies doesn't, then you can with a straight face say anti-Semitism is wrong. I agree with you Barry Wies. Hating Muslims is right. No. I mean, I don't agree with you. I'm sorry. Yeah. And don't bring that into my country. Go away. Yes. Laura Lumer, Mark Levin say all the time you should hate Muslims. Muslims are the problem. Well, then you've lost your moral high ground. Well, they don't believe in universal principle. It's just identity politics. It's no better than any other form of identity politics. And it's all disgusting in a moral. Exactly. So, whereas to your point, Anna and I do a show together and that's an Armenian and a Turk doing a show together. Literally. And a show called the Young Turks. I was like, well, I first thought I was this years ago, I was like, holy smokes. Yeah. People may not know what the young Turks were, but whatever. Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that a beautiful thing about America? Of America, leave your tribal, your ancient tribal conflicts in your country's origin and come here and exist as equal citizens under the law. That is the, that is to me. That's the most American sentiment I can imagine. Yeah. And so, and by the way, when you do that, that doesn't mean that you leave your entire culture behind. Don't bring your food. Don't bring your language. Don't bring this. Don't bring it. My great. No, no. We've had the Italian Sprout pizza. The Jews bought the bagel of locks and and pastrami and the Chinese brought it. It's great. Love it, love it, love it. But you have to agree that America is your top identity. Of course. Or else you're going to have Hutus and Tutsis murdering each other in your cities. Yeah. Like, no, how about no? You have to be an American. It means something to be an American. It means you put ancient tribal hatred aside. I mean, so when you look at the young Turks, our audiences, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, everyone, everyone. And in the old world that went to happen, that's why we came here because we don't want the old world. We want this world, this world of freedom and equality. Amen. Amen. Right. I just could not agree with what you said more strongly. I just really feel it. Yeah. So back to the memorandum of understanding why I'm a digressor. No, no, no. I'm doing the same thing. So they say 20 year, the new one we want is a 20 year memorandum of us. So we have to give you a 20 year contract. And they say the four billion that we're giving them currently per year on top of everything else is not enough. And they started talking about five billion. So wait a minute, five billion, 20 years, we're talking about another hundred billion, we're going to borrow from China to give to Israel and then pay interest to rest of our lives. And this is exclusive of this does not include military obligations. So if there's another war, of course, we'll backstop it with missile defense or whatever, carriers in the region, right? So it doesn't even include that. So, but because they got so much pushback, this is the first time I've ever seen the Israelis give an inch. All of a sudden, yeah, who comes and goes, maybe 10 years. Maybe we taper it off, right? It's total bullshit. Maybe go away and never come back. Yeah. How about that? So look, I started a site, not another dollar dot com. Okay. Not another dollar dot. Is that a hate site? I'm able to call it that. So what we're saying is, look, two things. One is, number one, if you, if a Congressperson takes money from Israel, vote against them. Okay. Now why? Because we want our representatives to be our representatives. It's not an outrageous ass. It's a bare minimum mask, right? And happy to apply to any country. Okay. But right now, Israel's the one giving to 94% of Congress. So there has to be some consequences. I agree. So since we're peaceful and nonviolent, and by the way, again, violence destroys any movement. That is why a lot of times counter insurgencies start the violence of course, right? So if anyone is, if anything, nothing more real than false flags. Yes. To fact, it's been a feature of warfare, hot and cold from the beginning of history. So do if anyone proposes violence, they're on the other side. Okay. Reject them, turn them in, turn them into the authorities. Okay. Zero violence so they cannot destroy the movement. Okay. And because it's the right thing to do. And it's the more position, right? So what we're saying is I also have operation consequences.com. It goes to the same thing. So what are the consequences? Not violent, not hatred, not anything. Just if you vote with Israel to give them another dollar, we're going to vote against you. And you know what? You don't have to cross party lines. That's what primaries are for. Yeah. So if you're a Republican, you never have to vote for a Democrat. If you're a Democrat, you never have to vote for a Republican. Go into the primaries and we're going to make two lists. One is, are you taking money from Israel? Okay. And that list already exists. You know, you have a PAC track record setter. We'll put it up on the site so you can see, oh, these guys are taking money and these guys aren't. So when you see Tom Massey and he takes no money from a PAC or any of the Israeli lobbies, you go, I might agree or disagree with Tom Massey, but at least I know he's honest. And he represents us and not a different government. Okay. And the second thing we're saying is, did you give money to Israel? Did you take money from Israel and did you give money to Israel? So if, forget the past because they all gave money in the past, okay? We're fair, clean slate. But going forward, you vote one more time for another dollar to Israel. I mean, you're never going to get our vote. Ever. It's a solemn pledge. Okay. Now you could sign the pledges on not another dot com or operation consequence dot com, but it doesn't matter. Create your own website, create your own pledge, create your own movement or join the movement. Say, hey, you know what? I don't want to go to those sites. I want to do it on my show. Great. I love it. In the right wing, great. I love it. Left wing. Great. I love it. Okay. But you've got to get the representatives some consequences. It sounds like democracy. Exactly. That's all it is. That's all it is. So just inject the views of the people who own the government into the conversation with the government should do. Yeah. So if you, for example, if you do that poll, um, do does America, oh, Israel, any more money, my guess is an overwhelming majority are going to say no. How would you get that poll? What would you get? I mean, do you think you could get CNN to take that poll? Well, if they say that no, we're not going to ask Americans that then they obviously have an agenda. They claim to be objective, right? CNN claims to objective. They still for that work there for many years, not objective. Right. New York Times very much pretends to be objective. All right. Then ask the question, do, do does America, oh, Israel, any more money? Okay. If you say it may be we're wrong, Tucker, right? Maybe the America is coming and go 80% of America say yes, we always real more money than we'll stand corrected. And we'll go our bad. America's can't wait to get more money to Israel, no matter what the circumstances are. But wait, if it turns out 68%, 82%, some significant majority of Americans say no, we don't know them anymore money. Now does the voice of the American people matter or does it not matter? And you know what the answer is. And that's why they won't do the poll. And that's why we'll do it for them. That's okay, right? Look right now, 92% of Democrats say that what Israel did in Gaza was wrong. And that was before the election. And both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said, I don't care about my voters. I don't care about 92% of my voters. They couldn't have been any clearer. I'm going to serve Israel instead. Now number one donor lifetime to Joe Biden is APAC. APAC gave Kamala Harris. Is that true? Yes. Over $11 million throughout his career, the Israeli lobby totally financed. Now 11 million just to Joe Biden? Just to Joe Biden. Okay. And that I would have thought it was Citibank or the credit card companies. So he was known as the Senator from MBNA, which is a credit card company in Delaware. So he was literally known for corruption. Did you hear that in mainstream media from objective? No, they gave his son a house. Right. I mean, it was pretty open. Yeah. I mean, Joe Biden's trademark thing in Washington was do whatever the donors tell you. That's why the one promise he kept was to the donors. Remember, he said to them, nothing will fundamentally change. Because if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change. Right. Because then you might slip from the top. If you're at the top, you love the status quo. So you want a politician coming and telling you nothing will fundamentally. So here's one question that I have. I don't have the answer to. So I understand that that's all consistent with the darker parts of human nature. I'm winning. I don't want anything to change. I get it. I don't even judge it. But the rest of the country is withering and dying. And that's measurable in life expectancy, for example, ever. You know, there's no way to argue that this is helping normal people. And they're not staying the same. They're going down by every measure. Down to their personal health. Why are the people who run the country are ruling class? It's not enough that they profit it. Does feel like they're trying to hurt the people they rule. That's the, that's, I mean, I've reached that conclusion. What is that? So I'm most angry at our politicians and I'm going to give you an analogy about that in a second. So like, so Israel, Farma, they're going to logically try to rob us. Of course, I get it. Right. I get it. But he also wants to make his people like not die earlier, but they do want us to die earlier. What is that? But it's, yeah. So it's largely our representative. So I talked about Biden. Kamala took five million from APEC. Talk about that. Let's talk about Trump. So Trump in the first election in 2016 takes 100 million from Sheldon Edels. Okay. So the Sheldon gets something in return. Of course he does. Right. The great number of things, a corruption charge and when largely went away with a small fine, the state tax was dropped right in the nick of time before he passed away, saved them billions of dollars. You know where the Edels was make most of their money? Gambley. In China. Yeah. Okay. So Macau. So they're mainly a Chinese company and they had to bring their money back from China to America. So they got a tax holiday. We don't get tax holidays, but they get tax holidays. So the repatriation tax was brought down to about 8%. So instead of paying 35%, they paid 8%, which saved them billions of dollars. So then they take that money from China, bring it back to America. They give 100 to Trump. He runs again and they give another 100. He runs again. At this time, it's Miriam Edels since Sheldon's passed away. His wife Miriam gives 137 to Trump. So now collectively they've given $337 million to Donald Trump's real election campus. So now one of the things they wanted was taxes and other interests and defeat the unions and their casinos and all the things there, their wish list. But the main thing they wanted was for Israel. And Trump says it all the time. He doesn't hide it at all. He says he said it can ask it. Yeah. He said, look, you guys give me money and you said, and Sheldon wanted me to move our embassy from, you know, Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. So I moved it for him. Like you're not supposed to say that. Okay. He might love about Trump. I love it. He just says it. Yeah. And then so they want to dis and I gave him the goal on heights. I said, go ahead, take it. Right. And whatever is real ask and she said, Sheldon came in here in my first term more than any other person. And he said, to be fair, he gave the most. Right. So if you give that much money, you get access and you get American policy. So now Miriam's up there going. Maybe you should run for a third term and I'll give him 250 million dollars. She said that on air next to Trump. So that is them rubbing it in our face saying. So that's the party don't understand like every country has a ruling class that drives the most benefit from whatever system is they're running. But it's the pretty undisguised hatred for Americans. Like why the humiliation rituals? Why why say that in public? Why basically give the entire country the finger you have no control. If you step out of line, we'll send the police to your door like you don't need to behave that way. Yeah. This is relatively new. There's hatred in there. That's how you behave to people you really want to hurt before I they were more subtle about it. Yeah. That's why I never said anything. I wasn't fully aware of it. But also it's like it's working. I swear whatever I don't get involved in this. But all of a sudden it's like, you know, you're not allowed to live in the country that you were born in because you disagree with a foreign country. It's like, you don't need why you're talking to me like that. Who do you think you are? Why do you why what are you doing? So since they're starting to lose control now. Back to the American people overall. This was about six months ago. The numbers are probably starker now. But 60% of Americans said we don't want to support what Israel is doing with financing anymore. 60% 60% for Gaza. Okay. They said we are not backing what Israel is doing. And only 32% said yes. So two to one very, very, very clear that American people two to one don't give Israel any more money to kill people more people in Gaza. Don't do it. And all of our politicians, Democrats and Republicans are like, no, we're going to give them more money. We don't care. Shut up American people. So why are they switching to this new harsher tactic? Because I think they're going for intimidation. They've already lost the people. They've lost the propaganda wars. So they're just going for bullying. They don't intimidate me. And I'm totally happy to pay any price not to go along with this not because I hate Jews. I certainly don't hate Jews. But because I love my country and we have the right to act in our own interest and to say what we truly believe. And I will never bow to any other system voluntarily. And I feel like a lot of Americans clearly you feel that way. 100% America was not made for bowing. Okay. So so that's the things that hurt my family. I'm happy to bow before God. I'm not too arrogant to bow, but I'm not going to bow to something that hurts my children. Like I'm not going to do that. And to date, no, they're not going to take our freedom away. So back to your point about the accumulation rituals. Then why do that? It gets way worse in case you don't know this for the folks at home. The Adelson's then lobbied Trump to get Jonathan Pollard back to Israel. Okay. So Jonathan Pollard is a trader. I mean, as big a trader as we have ever had in this country. And a true hater of America says it out loud all the time. Yeah. And he goes further. And dangerous Jewish people by saying, if you're a Jew in America, you should work for Israel like I did and betray America. He says that. Okay. So now this is a despicable anti-American character as you will find on planet earth. So not only do they lobby to get him back to Israel, first of all, he should never been let out of jail ever, ever, ever. What do the Israelis do with the national sea, with the Navy secrets that he gave them? Do you know? I know. They gave them to the Soviet Union. They gave them to the Soviet Union in exchange for a few snacks. I remember this. I know people were involved in it. And yeah, our top ally gave our national security secrets. This is the middle of the cold war. It's not a joke. These countries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. And Israel gave those secrets to the Soviets. So that's just a fact. Oh, you're lying. I'm not lying. Yeah. In this case, yeah, in this case, not only so they've been lobbying Democrats and Republicans get out of the Pollard out of jail because he delivered for Israel. And so they got Obama to pardon him and not pardon him, but like say, okay, he can get out of jail. Then they got Trump to say he can leave the country. Okay. So this is all already disastrous. But just to rub it in a little bit more, he was flown back to Israel on a private jet owned by Sheldon Adelson. That's the Adelson saying, F you, we work for Israel, not for America. We're going to take the worst trader you've ever had and celebrate him. We're going to give him my heroes. Welcome. I don't understand that. That is not in my personal range of like emotions. That's like you want got it. Okay, great. You know, you're getting what you want. Okay. But that's like if you're playing tennis with someone and you crush them in tennis, rather than going up and shaking hands, you know, good game. That's what I was forced to do as a child. You leap across that and beat them to death for the racket. I don't, I look, what is that impulse? I think it's the scariest thing I've ever seen. They're going for full intimidation, right? But why? Because they lost the American people. We're gone. So look, I mean, look, Tucker, you're arguably the biggest show in the right wing, right? And you certainly were on Fox and you have the numbers to back it up now, right? We're arguably the biggest show on the left. This is the, you know, you could argue that it's the heads of the families getting together for the behalf of the American people saying the right and the left. And then by the way, we can bring in any independence. You could bring in Tim Dylan, anyone else, and they will say the same thing enough, enough. We have no hatred in our hearts. Okay. But enough. So not another dollar and we're done with you guys. And hey, good luck. Good luck with Iran, right? But I don't have to spend a trillion dollars fighting your war for you in Iran. I agree. I don't. And what if, look, and you know what they're doing guys pull back like this is so unhealthy. This relationship pull back. We both regain our sovereignty. Israel doesn't have sovereignty exactly. I mean, I know you could debate what sovereignty means, but they're totally dependent on the United States. That's not good. I was like, yeah, for Israel. And so like, let's just become normal countries again and then be friends. Yeah. That seems like a good outcome to me. Yeah. By the way, it's a terrific outcome for Israel, right? So now when you total it all together, probably around 350 billion that they've taken from us and they've we an eight trillion in wars we did for them. Take the win and go like it's time to take the winnings off the table. I feel that right. So if you say no, I want another 300 billion. I want another 100 billion. I want you to pay for another war and I'm going to take more. And you can't have the first amendment anymore because you're not allowed to criticize me. Yeah. Okay. I'm not participating in this. Totally happy to go to jail for it. I don't care. I'm never going to participate in any effort by a foreign power or own government to limit my birth rate. So Tucker, let's talk about that because if there's so many things that Israel does that I'm not sure people are aware of and why are they not aware of it because established a media not only doesn't report on it, but actively covers it up, right? And if you dare report on it, they'll call your names and try to ruin your career. Okay. So what have they done? This will the first amendment is sacrosanct. So no, there is no exception to the first amendment for Israel. And by the way, if you say there should be, you're trying to destroy our constitution. Okay. So no, we're not going to let you destroy our constitution. So no, nobody should be arrested on a college campus for writing an op ed against Israel and editorial saying that they should be sanctioned. That's all. That's what that Turkish PhD student wrote and they're like, that's it. And they're like, what do you mean arrest her for her speech? What does that mean? And now, as I said, they're targeting American workers trying to get them fired. The lady who put both of us on a list for all entities, I might have a year, whatever, she went and gave her speech about. And by the way, everyone could look up every fact I'm saying they can go find the videos for themselves and they should and they should spread it all over the internet. And she's on there going, we're going to find any American that opposes us and we're going to try to ruin their lives. She said it. She's like, we're going to make sure they never get a job. They never get a wife, a husband. We're going to go after their families. I'm like, you're saying it out loud. You're saying it out loud, right? I don't believe in blood guilt in this country. Period. I mean, that's why your family is able to move from Turkey and you wound up close friends with an Armenian because you're not responsible for what your ancestors did. That is a core American value. Exactly. Then there's 31 states, I believe again, look it up. Maybe 30, maybe 29. God bless. But about that area that have passed law saying you're not allowed to boycott or divest or sanction Israel. And if you're an American company that does that, we're going to take away your contracts from the state governments. You will be punished severely financially, your family, your business, et cetera, if you dare to disagree with Israel. What the fuck kind of law is that? And by the way, that's a lot of Democratic governors and a lot of Republican governors. If your governor is saying, you must serve Israel. And if you dare to defy Israel, I'm going to take away your living and I'm going to take away American government contracts from you. You should be livid about that. Is there any law in the United States that you've heard of that says if you criticize the US government or Constitution, desk, crater flag? Like I don't think there's any penalty ever for attacking the United States that I'm not saying there should be, of course. But then how can there be penalties for disagreeing with the foreign country? You can say whatever you want about America, whatever you want and people do it, I'm glad you can't. But the second you're critical of Benjamin Netanyahu, you get punished by the US government. That's insane. But that's the state of play. I don't think it's an exaggeration, is it? Yeah, no, it's not. I mean, again, madly bit put in any other country, but even your own country, it's totally fine. Yeah, you can criticize America. Oh my gosh, you can call for sanctions of America. You can call for boycotting America. You can go over. You want to go after the Portuguese, okay? Imagine if they said you're allowed to criticize every country on earth, including your own, except Portugal. Why? Why accept Portugal, right? But if you say why accept Israel, anti-Satmite. Yeah. And why do they say anti-Satmite? Just eliminate every voice of opposition to Israel in American conversation. Are you ready for the consequences of this, though? I mean, you're a business owner, you're a father. Yeah. I'm not being melodramatic. I never talk about this stuff. I'm not going to now, but I'm just, you know, let's be real. Like the reason people don't say obvious, non-hateful things like he shouldn't be prevented from criticizing a foreign country in your own country. The reason they don't even say that is because they know what the consequence of real consequences. We're not a joke consequences. These are not people who are kidding. Yeah. Are you comfortable with that? Like, why'd you decide to do this? You don't need to do this. Yeah. So we've already dealt with a lot of consequences, right? And so first of all, you know, they tell folks don't do business with the young Turks, you know, or they're... You know that? Yeah. I definitely know that. I know that for a fact. And our network is called TYT. You know, we got a 24 hour channel and all these places everywhere but cable and they say, don't do sales, don't do investments, don't do anything because they're anti-semites. Okay. So, you know, take away their money and make sure that they don't survive. And then they do propaganda to the audience. That's less effective. But for a while it was effective. You know, oh, they're hateful people. So they say they're on the left but they, you know, they're bigots and they're this and they're that. And then every kind of a attack against me, but the established media always hated me. Why? Because I'm populist left and they despise populism. So they certainly do. Why do they despise populism, do you think? Because it's against the status quo. It's for change. And if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change. They don't want to rock the boat because it's their boat. That's why they murdered Huey Long. But populism has a pretty, pretty long and very violent history in the United States reaction to it. Yeah. You just get killed. So do we get death threats all the time, right? Do we get threats of different sorts all the time? And if you, like, if let's say that the Iranian government was threatening to kill me or their supporters were threatening to kill me or my family and they were doing all these attacks against our business, people would be, I think, outraged, right? And Jake Tapper would love to talk about their radiance into fear with an American company and threatening America. We should do something about Iran, right? Israel does it shut up. You anti-Semite. Well, Jake Tapper hasn't defended you. Jake Tapper is going to write a book one day. It turns out we were the problem. No one could have seen it coming. No, we see it now, Jake. You're the problem. Okay. So this whole defensive Israel over the top defensive Israel is absurd. It's insane while pretending to be objective and they actively covering up the news here. Let's do more. But why get involved? Because I can't help it. I can't help but be free. And that's why I love this country. That's why I just kind of made for me. Uniquely wonderful country for me and my personality. And I can't bow. I just can't do it. I was on an airplane probably 20, 25 years ago with James Carville who was my coast at CNN and you know, a great guy in some ways. A great guy, very smart. And I said to me about Israel, some humiliation and they were shooting into the church of the nativity, murdering a bell ringer. I was like, oh, I don't want to fight about Israel. I never have wanted to. But I said that is just too much. I mean, whatever it was at the moment, and he goes, I'll never forget this goes. Watch kids get into college. I was like, I guess I had little kids, a lot of them. And he goes, then you'll shut up. I was like, you think that would affect my kids' ability to get into college? I'd never even thought of that before. Of course. Then you'll shut up. Quote, that's a verbatim quote. You want your kids to get into college and you'll shut up. And to my shame, I guess I did kind of shut up for like 20 years. I was like, I don't want to deal with this at all. I've got all kinds of things I'm interested in. I'm not that interested in Israel. Love Jerusalem. But like, I don't want to get involved. So I'm trying to be melodramatic, but that's real. And did you ever have a moment where you're like, you know, maybe I don't, maybe I just ignore it. Let it slide me. Yeah. No. And so Tucker, it happened to me. So there's a school, private school in LA. It actually happened to Anna two in two different ways. So and we applied for my son to get into that private school. And my one of my nephews happens to work as a volunteer in that school. And someone in admission told him his that my son's application was going to be hurt because of his dad's positions on Israel. Actually, they actually said that out loud. Why the Israelis have been happy to murder tens of thousands of children in Gaza because they believe in blood guilt. That's just that's just a that's the true. They say it out loud. I'm like, we believe in blood guilt. Like the children are responsible for the sins of their parents. So we're going to kill them or not let them into the school or and we face this a lot in my family. So yeah. Yeah. So that's ramification for us personally. And as you know, Anna's husband is a coach at another private school and they try to get him fired and they demanded like some sort of Maoist apology where he denounces his own wife and calls her an anti-Semite publicly. And he's like, no, I'm not going to do it. He's own wife. Yeah. They're like, you must announce your own wife. Otherwise, we don't feel safe. Okay. What is that? What is that? And so we don't feel safe. You're you're threatening to wreck my family, but you're the one that doesn't feel safe. Because it's always projection. They're always the victims. So like why do I say Jake Tapper? Like for Jake is just representative of the mainstream media overall. Israel keeps taking more and more land. You could see it on a map. They just took 53% of Gaza and Jake and the rest go self defense. No, but wait a minute, brother. I can see the map. Israel is growing. They say they want greater Israel. They're doing greater Israel. They're the ones that killed the Palestinians and then took their land. Jake goes, no, no, don't believe your lying eyes. Don't believe your lying ears. Israel is the victim. They're always the victim. They're going to fire you. What is Jake the work for? Like why would you that's absurd? Why would you say something like that? Like where? What is your mission? Okay. And I challenge Jake. I challenge all of cable news anchors. So why don't you talk about, for example, one of hundreds of things that we've mentioned here, but another one is nine Americans killed in Israel over the last three years. Nine Americans killed not accidentally, but by Israeli settlers or the IDF. Murder. Actually, actually, you know how much I didn't know that. Yeah. So sorry. I don't know if there's been zero. Our government does not ask for them to be arrested. What do you mean? When an American citizen is killed, what about my Cuckabee? He's the American ambassador who just met with Jonathan Pollard, the traitor in the US embassy without telling the CIA or Donald Trump. My Cuckabee's not our ambassador. He's there in bass. I know. Okay. It's sad to see a man so degraded. Yeah. So where's our justice for the nine Americans killed? Are we going to even ask for justice or is Israel literally above the law? They can kill Americans and totally get away with it. Our government won't even ask for redress, right? Well, I think we know that's true already. But it's a fact. It's not. Oh, I know. It's beautiful. And then you got Tom Alexanderidge. So he's the guy who was an Israeli cybersecurity official, goes to Vegas and looks to rape it. American girl. Right? Oh, there's a great opportunity for basically pedophile tourism. I'll go to America and I know as an Israeli, I won't, I won't be held accountable. So he gets caught in a sting operation. Got him. Okay. Good. It's caught with eight other Americans who were also involved in that operation. The eight Americans are in jail right now in Nevada. Alexanderidge backed to Israel. Free ride. How? But wait, you can't say that the Americans who did something terrible should be in prison and great, wonderful, totally agree. But the Israeli is allowed to do it. And he can rape any American girl he wants here and he gets a free ride back to Israel. No, no. So right now he's technically under arrest, but our government isn't doing anything to try to get him back. No, we want him extra-dited. But what about my cock-a-be is he going, is he brokering an extradition? Because he tried to rape an American girl, you say. That's a fact. No. My cock-a-be is not doing anything. So the Americans killed no consequence. Americans that my cock-a-be complain about the nine Americans, you said nine Americans have been killed. Yes. It did hook-a-be say anything about it? Not to my knowledge. If he said anything, it's been incredibly quiet. Okay. And hey, my cock-a-be, if you want to prove me wrong, get out there and fight for it. Say, God damn it, they killed nine Americans. I don't fight like hell. Forget tomorrow, forget yesterday. Do focus on tomorrow. Go get him an ambassador, Huckabee. Let's see what you got. The demand that they extradite Alexander Bich back to Nevada where he faces consequences like the other people who were caught. Where are you? Where are you? I mean, this happens over and over again through, since Israel has been formed. Robert Maxwell stole our nuclear secrets. The worst possible thing you could do. We didn't even arrest them. Why did, and when I looked into, why didn't we arrest Robert Maxwell? Because it would have caused an international incident that embarrassed Israel. Well, they should be embarrassed. They stole our nuclear secrets when they were pretending to be our allies. They should be deeply, deeply embarrassed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not only was it Robert Maxwell not arrested, he was allowed to buy textbooks in America for that going to our kids' schools. We're letting a traitor like that, a guy, he wasn't American, but he was a British citizen. He was a, you know, and he lived here. He lived there. And we're letting him buy the textbooks that go into our kids' schools after, after he stole our nuclear secrets. And eventually got a state funeral. Again, heroes welcome in Israel. Congratulations. Are we ever going to stand up for this country? So how about the spies we caught after 9-11? Okay, put aside whether they knew, didn't know what their activity was, but we rounded up dozens and dozens of Israeli spies. Okay, great, great job, FBI, CIA, whoever did it. Fantastic, really proud of you. And then we let them go back to Israel. Is that a thing we do if we cash a Russian spy or an Iranian spy or a Dutch spy? Do we go, oh, you're free to go? Aren't we supposed to arrest them and keep them in prison? But when it comes to Israel, there are no laws, there are no rules. There are a lot to do. Anything you want. And if you object, Jake Tapper comes on and calls you an anti-submiss. So a year ago this week, the new president of my African-Ungradient Issue, an executive order declaring that all files related to the Kennedy assassination, MLK, and Bobby Kennedy's assassination had to be released. And they haven't all been unfortunately. But in tranches of documents that have been released in the last 12 months, we've seen it again and again, references to Israel have been, and there are a lot of references to Israel in the files around the Kennedy assassination, interestingly, have all been redacted, all been redacted for 62 years, 63 years. It's like, what? I don't understand. Like, why would that be? Why are there two monuments to Jim Angleton in Israel? You know, the number two at CIA. I think it's all very, very odd. And you hear people complain about conspiracy theories and I'm definitely against conspiratorial thinking because it drives you crazy. On the other hand, in the absence of transparency, that stuff grows like algae. I mean, what do you think? If you don't tell people the truth, like, what are they supposed to think? They're going to come up with all kinds of theories. Why can't, why would you redact references to Israel in the Kennedy files for six decades? Like what is that? That's almost an admission. So like, I didn't know. It's very odd. I'll say that. So I didn't know that until recently. And again, my establishment media never talks about these things. And again, it's not just about Israel. So for example, on 9-11, we're redacting references to the Saudis. Oh, I know. Why? Why? They say, well, they are allies. Well, if there are allies, then maybe they shouldn't have had an hand in 9-11, right? They didn't have a hand in 9-11. Okay, great. Then show me the redacted part. No, I won't show you the redacted part. Okay. Now this is weird. Now this is our government working for other governments. And what happened after 9-11? We rounded up all the bin Laden's, yes, there were bin Laden's in America. And we rounded up all the Israeli spies saying yes, there was tons and tons of Israeli spies in America. Following the 19 hijackers around the country. Yeah. Yep. We rounded them up all great. We got them. And we released them back to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Yeah. No, that's our government. And we invade Iraq. Yeah. It's nothing to do with that. And increased domestic police powers to the point where the country is not recognizable from what it was on September 10th, 2001. That's our government working for other governments. Oh, I'm aware. And I can't stand it. So which leads us to Epstein. Okay. So here's another one. Dropsite news has proven definitively that in my opinion, and we'll talk about the evidence that Epstein worked for an intelligence agency and almost certainly Mossad. Yeah. And almost certainly the CIA knew it. Of course. Okay. So now what's the evidence? It's overwhelming. First of all, in all the emails, he is looking to help one country. No, it's not Finland and no, it's not America. It's Israel. So how do we get cyber weapons to Israel? How do we get America to bomb Syria? How do we get America to bomb Iran? Okay. Hey, who brought former Prime Minister of Israel. I can set up a meeting with you with Putin. Wait, Epstein is so powerful. He can set up meetings with the former Prime Minister of Israel. He can call Putin anytime and get someone a meeting. Then we find out that he was in the middle of the Iran contra affair. He was the one switching the planes out. How many civilians were involved in the Iran contra affair? Easy answer. Zero. There are no civilians involved in Iran contra. Everyone was intelligence. Okay. So this guy switching out planes in the middle of Iran contra is obviously intelligence. And that's Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. So Jeffrey Epstein was much more powerful than we realized. He could set up a meeting with almost any war leader. He could get almost anyone into the White House. Again, who brought has trouble getting into the White House. Epstein makes a call. Boom. He's in the White House. Israel's spies stays over at Epstein's house. There's just no question about it. He is definitely intelligence. And in every turn, he's looking to help one country in its Israel. American media says, shut up. No. Jeffrey Epstein, New York Times has a story about how he's like a forest gump. He just tripped over the money. And oh, God, golly gee, he just happened to be an envy savvy investor. And nothing to see here. Well, now drop site news already showed it. Why wouldn't you try to build on that? Why wouldn't you cover that? Is that not an interesting story? I think it qualifies. I don't understand. I'm not pretending to understand it, but it's certainly interesting. It's certainly interesting. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, and it seems significant too. Yeah. If you're the New York Times, are you Jay Tap or your Santa? Disprove it. I don't want to believe something that's wrong. So show me. Oh, no, drop site news. Got it wrong. Those emails are wrong. It turns out he was working for a suite. Okay. Or no one. Fine. But they don't do that. They don't disprove it. They don't prove it. They don't report on it. They never ever talk about it. That is super weird, super weird. Well, speaking of an admission of guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is the most interesting story in a long, long time. Obviously, American people are captivated by it. Yes. Is the New York Times and CNN claiming that they're not captivated by it? No, they obviously are, right? And they report about it as it affects Trump all the time. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, right? I'm not saying that Trump didn't know I've seen. He did. I'm not saying they weren't great friends they were, right? But it's a bigger story. I think we can say it. It's a bigger story than just Trump. I think it is. Right? But whenever it comes to Trump, I guess it was Trump. It was Trump. Why? Magic. You don't want to have people look here. This is where the real action is. So get them to look here. Get them to look here. It's three card Monte. Yes. It's all an illusion. So it's unconscionable not to talk about Epsis connections to intelligence, including Mossad and including the CIA. For sure. And British intelligence and French. And what was this? I mean, you get the sense that it reveals the, you know, the superstructure beneath. You know, it gives you a glimpse into how power is exercised globally because it is global. Right? And I, you know, there's so much that I know a lot about the Epstein story and I'm still totally ignorant about what that was. I really don't understand it. But it's obvious there's a third rail for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why right now there's a bit of a revolution going on. Do you think there is? I dare is. Yeah. And so again, another reason why they hate you so much because the left wing was already gone. You know, 92% disapproving of the actions of Israel and Gaza. And our politicians already gave us the middle finger and said, no, we'll lose the selection rather than defy Israel. We'll lose Michigan. We'll lose swing states. We don't care. We serve Israel lawy. Okay. Now there's a bunch of Democrats that are against that. Rokana being the leading guy saying, no, I want to see that. I've seen files. No, I think Palestine should exist. I don't know why. Why everybody talks about Israel should be a lot of things. Good news. They do. Right? And they have nukes and they have iron dome that nobody has. They're about as safer countries you could find on planet earth. No one else has iron dome. Only a handful of countries have nukes. They have a better military than the rest of the Middle East combined. They're perfectly safe. And you say, okay, you're good. You exist. We're all in favor of that. Now Palestine should exist. They're like, how dare you? You anti-Semite? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're the bigot. You're the bigot saying that another people should not have freedom. They should use. They've kept those people enslaved. Five and a half million Palestinians for 58 years. And then they brag, oh, Israel's the best democracy. Only democracy in them at least. Well, it's a democracy within Israel. It's a dictatorship within the occupied territories. What is happening in the occupied territories? A bit of a dictatorship now in mainland Israel for Israeli Jews too. I mean, you're not welcome to, well, first of all, they try to keep people from leaving the country. Restricted freedom of movement. And there, I mean, you get the cops at your door for saying certain things in that country. It's in many countries. That's true, but it's also true there. So like, come on now. Stop lying to me. Yeah. And so the media, they, they're an enormous part of the problem. So you see our politicians both under democratic and Republican presidents and administrations say, no, we're not going to release the Epstein files. No, we're going to give Epstein a sweetheart deal back in 2008. And then we're going to take Alex Acosta and make him the labor secretary under Trump. Right. That was the funniest thing that's ever happened. Didn't work for you. Yeah. And by the way, oh, Elaine Maxwell, that sounds familiar. Oh, she's a daughter of Robert Maxwell, legendary Israeli spy who stole our nuclear secrets. But I don't know that that's ever been mentioned on cable news ever. Isn't that a super interesting fact that the main co-Cospirator of Jeffrey Epstein that her dad was the biggest spy Israel's ever had? Now you could say, hey, there's since of the father or not passed on to the daughter. So that doesn't prove anything. But it's at least an interesting fact. And it's not even the most interesting. In my opinion, the most interesting fact is attorney general Barr covered up Epstein's murder because he was murdered. And he covered it up as the attorney general of the United States and said, we have to let people know this was a suicide. Like number one rule is don't let them think it was a murder. He said that before they'd done an investigation into it. So like, that's a cover up by definition. You don't even know the facts, but you're reaching a conclusion and commanding everyone else reached the same conclusion. You're covering it up. And that turns out his father, Donald Barr, got Jeff Epstein his first job teaching math at the Dalton school. He didn't even have a college degree. Okay. And then got him a job at Bear Stearns. The attorney general's father is the one who started Jeffrey Epstein's career and set him up with his friends and finance. And then his son becomes attorney general and covers up his murder. I mean, what are the chances, Jenk? Like, what are the odds on that? Do you think? Then you combine that with the odds on the Maxwell's. Then you combine that with the odds of Israeli spies and prime ministers staying at his house. Do you combine that with all the emails he's saying, I can't wait to get America to do what Israel wants? Unlike things happening, but we've all seen crazy things happen. It's like, oh, happened, Stanson. You know, sometimes it rolls up and you get the jackpot. I get it. That is part of life. But if it keeps happening and you keep yelling at me for noticing, I think you think I'm dumb, right? Yeah. And so Tucker, what I think happened is... Come on now. Yeah. They're insulting our intelligence. You think? Yeah. And so what, but there's something great happening at the same time. Okay. So politicians terrible, but now we got a little bit of rebellion on the Democratic side with a con on a couple of guys, a little bit of rebellion on the Republican side with Tom Massey, a little bit of anti war with Rand Paul. Marjorie Taylor, Green was great. I wanted her to stay. By the way, the one person, we had Marjorie Taylor green on the show a couple of times. People start yelling at me. How dare you? Why? Because the enemy and stuff and I'm like, guys, they want you to think that the other side is the enemy. They want you to have Marjorie on your show. Yeah. Oh, bless you. Good. So they want you to attack, use all of your energy and all of your fight against other Americans. Of course. Of course. And so Marjorie Taylor, Green comes on and I said, well, I had her on because she's agreeing with us. She's a... No, she's anti war. We're anti war. Like I'm taking yes for an answer, right? I'm talking about a man. But she... Did she ever do anything substantive to stand up to Israel? Yeah, actually she did. She almost single-handedly killed a boycott investment in Sanction Bill in the house. She said, no, this is taking away Americans from freedom of speech. I'm against it. And when she made a big deal out of it, it embarrassed other Republicans because, yeah, it's against our freedom of speech. Exactly. Right. And so she did do something great, right? More than almost anyone. Yeah. I still disagree with Marjorie and you on other issues, right? But why would people get... That's so interesting that people will be mad at you for having her on when she's... One of the only members of Congress, literally the only members who's doing the things that you have said that you believed in for a long, long time. 100%. It's so strange. Because it's because we've been taught by who, by the media, to hate each other and to have a tribal brain. Partism totally true. Right? So because if the left and the right, the Republicans and Democrats realized that the people rigging the rules are the ones with all the wealth and power up top, that is the only force that is mighty enough to take on the ruling class, the donor class. So that is why they have to get us fighting at all times. You must hate each other. Don't look up. Whatever you do, don't look up. Hate each other. Use all your energy this way. So unfortunately, our side got taught this too. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson, that's it. You can't ever talk to them. They're the bad guys, right? I'm like, are they still the bad guys if they agree with them? Let's get back what? Let's define bad guy first. Let's and and do wait. Do I have to change my position if Tucker agrees with me? Do I have to become a pro war? All right. Let's bomb around now. There's too much. I can't deal with it. Some podcast to agree with me. I'm changing my mind. Yeah. So now, Roe did something really smart and this gets back to Marjorie and his side. Roe took an executive order that Trump had about lowering drug prices, most favored nation status, right? If France, Germany, Japan are paying this much, we should pay that much. Why are we financing the whole world? And that's what's happening. We're paying so much more, not than Ethiopia, but then other developed nations like Germany and of course, to subsidize drugs that aren't even made in this country. Yes. It's so bonkers. By the way, we subsidize them in a hundred different ways. We also, we pay for their research that goes to the universities, right? Of course. And then they, then we give them the patent. What? No, no, no, that patent is worth billions, maybe trillions of dollars. And the American taxpayer paid for that research. Should we not get equity? That is how capitalism works. When we bailed out the banks, should we have not gotten equity? If a private company bailed out the banks, they would have owned the banks, okay? That's how capitalism works. If you don't pay your mortgage, they own your house. Exactly. Right. But for collateral. Yes. But for the donor class, in that case, the pharmaceutical companies, nope, nope, just have it for free. You ask for the risk. You privatize the reward. It's the oldest system there is and also the most immoral. Yeah. And so the reason why the tapers of the world hate left-wing populists is because we've been pointing this out for 20 years. So when Ro does this and he goes, okay, look, the executive order, it's, we'll get knocked down by the courts. But good news. If we turn it into a bill, it can't get knocked down by the courts. So he took the executive order for batom. Didn't change a word, okay? And so now this past it as a bill. And he got two or three Republican co-sponsors. I went to the Democrats, the couple of Democrats that I know in Congress. I was like, guys, this is beautiful. It's a layup. This is core democratic policy. We got super lucky. Trump did an executive order doing our policies. So let's jump on Rose Bill. Nope. The only person I could convince to join Rose Bill was Marjorie Taylor Greene. No way. Yes. And what did Jake tap away on this? So no, here's my beef old school beef with Jake. So other than his nonstop defensive Israel. So and I'm sure he'll object to that. Oh, that's, I've slightly tweaked them from time to time. What do you mean? Okay. I'm slight. I'm like 12% 11.9 is 7% against the genocide. Okay. But it's not a genocide. You anti-Samite. Okay. I feel like Jake tapers looking down his nose at us every time he talks on TV. He's like, and I will tell you this is real. Nothing new. None of the donors had anything to do with anything, right? I feel like he, I don't, I don't know Jake. Well, but I feel like he's the one who's suffering. I feel like it hasn't worked. It's the prizes that he wanted. He weren't worth having. And he's, he doesn't seem happy at all to me. But you know, maybe I'm just, so God bless his heart. I wish him nothing but happy. Yeah. So how did it come about? So when I ran for Congress, the media lied about me in hilarious ways. Okay. So and Jake joined in on that. So they would take out a context clips and then Jake would retweet it and without even checking what I thought you were a journalist. So they, the New York Times said that I had a history of being anti-Muslim and never mentioned that I was born Muslim and my family's Muslim and my background's Muslim never mentioned it. The New York Times described me in such a vicious way that if I was a voter in my, in that district that I was running in, I would have voted against me, right? Because I don't want to vote for an anti-Muslim anti-Semite anti-everything. They painted me as like some like vicious racist right-winger when I was the biggest supporter of Bernie Sanders in the primaries, right? In 2016, 2020, et cetera. So and then they said, oh, he had an everywhere David Duke where I lit in the David Duke because David Duke was saying outwardly anti-Semitic things. Yeah. And then he said, my, the big it, all these things, it's uniform me. And also a federal informant just to be, just to add to the list. Yeah. And so, and an idiot, et cetera. So I said all those things in the interview. I hold no holds bar to young Turks, right? New York Times said that I agreed with David Duke that he was not a racist. And other outlets said that I brought David Duke on to share his anti-Semitic views. No way. Yeah. So other journalists watch the interview, other ones, you want to see how terribly anti-Semitic and racist Jank was pretending to be a left-winger and all this. And I'm like, holy shit, you guys are totally lying. The exact opposite happened in the interview. So New York Times had to do a rare correction on that one. They're like, okay, fine. All right, he was being sarcastic. Fine. Okay. But we, by the way, I had a PR person because it was a congressional run. And they're really well connected to all these folks. They call the New York Times, they call the editor. And the editor, this is amazing. The editor told him, and I don't know why they say these things. I'm stunned that they say I'm out loud. But the editor told them, look, you're right. I watched David Duke interview. We got to retract it. And you're right about the Muslims thing. You're right about the Beast Shal, the thing which we'll get back to. He's the hell. We just hilarious. That's my favorite. Hold on. So he says, but I went around and I asked and everyone here hates Jank. And they don't want to do a correction. The best I could do was get a correction on the David Duke one, because that one's so over the top. Everyone here hates Jank. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. I don't know how many people he asked. I don't know if he has three people, 13 people. I was probably a small group that was working on that group. So, but the fact that he would say that to our PR guy is unbelievable, right? So now the Beast Shal, okay. So I do a segment on the young Turks like over a decade ago. And I say we had this guy, Rodel, that it was having sex with horses in Tennessee. And I thought we thought, what a bizarre crazy story. He gave the horse an STD. Okay. We're like, Rodel, what are you doing? What are you doing? We're making fun of this guy. Then I really dryly, I go, you know what? If the horse is receiving it, you know, I don't know that the horse is objecting, right? They cut the tape and they go, that's it. Janks for Beast Shal. Okay. If you keep rolling the tape, what I say next is, is the horse going to object? No. And then everybody in the studio left. Oh, that's pretty fine. Yeah. And everybody laughs. But they cut that part out, right? So New York Times made it seem like it was part of my legislative agenda. Horse sex? Yes. I mean, isn't that like an old Lyndon Johnson quote? It's very much like a very faint, I can't say it's too vulgar. Yes. And the idea was to accuse your opponent of, well, Beastieality, not because it's true, because then he'll have to deny it and repeat it. Yeah. And here I am denying him. Yeah. When the conversation is about Beastieality, you're not winning. It doesn't matter. So that's why they do tricks like that. And tapers like retweet, love it. Who cares? Oh, I wonder what he said next is not a thought he had in his mind, apparently, right? That's amazing. So that's how they do character assassinations. Okay. But you said, you said at the outset that they're losing. And I think I do think that's like the real lesson here. So like I was at CNN with Jake, you know, 25 years ago. And that was like a big to us. It was a, you know, in their 20s, it's like a big thing where it's CNN. It's so great. And he stayed. And you get to 2026. It's like who would want a job at CNN? Like I don't think again, the prize is worth winning. Like you don't actually want that. Not just because it's liberal or whatever, just honest because like nobody cares. Yeah. Like it doesn't mean anything anymore. Or maybe I'm just too out of it. And I think that do you think it still means something? No, it means very little. But in their world, and that's still high status for them. Really? Yeah. And they're all, of course. So look, Tucker, look at our careers and how much things have changed in the last 10, 15 years. Yeah. And so when I was a host on MSNBC at six o'clock back in 2011, that was highly celebrated. I mean, I instantly started winning awards and getting speeches, paid speeches and all these amazing things that I never got online. We're the first YouTube partner channel ever. I'm the original YouTuber. And really? Yeah. I've gotten the other. The other. So what year did you start it? So we started the show back in 2002. So we've been around 23 years. We were the original talk show for serious satellite radio. So we're the first show there. Then we went to Air America that you remember the liberal radio. Very well. Yeah. And we were there morning drive. And then we went. So as part of that, we were all over radio markets throughout the country on XM. And we did great. Our ratings were terrific in different places. Then we started online video in 2005 and we're the oldest running show in internet history where the longest running show there is online. That's a minute. I did not know that. That's amazing. So that's pretty neat. We feel good about it. Now, but there wasn't a ton of prestige attached that for the first 10 years, right? Oh my God. I was mocked. You're on the internet. Yeah. I mean, I was on television. So I know that I looked at on the internet, some internet show. Yeah. Internet. It told us, it told us like, why would you leave seriously? Satellite radio to go do YouTube. Like, what do you do? On there with the cats playing piano. It's a 100% fat kid falls off bike. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's, I keep turning down money. It's serious. They offered us a quarter of a million to not do online video. And I was like, no, no online video is a future. I'm going to do online video by hook or by crack. I believe it in a thousand percent. I wrote my friends an email in 1998 saying online video was going to be TV. It was only a matter of time. Okay. So that's why we're the first YouTube partner because I was positive not only that online video was going to win, but YouTube was going to win. And so the entire time mainstream media is mocking us, et cetera. But then in 2011, I did a campaign to get on MSNBC and our audience is amazing. Best audience in the world. They sent thousands of emails to MSNBC until I finally got a meeting. My agent originally fired me. I declared my candidacy for the open position at MSNBC. And the guy who worked for us at CIA at the time was like, this is embarrassing. You're not going to get the job. And so don't do that is it'll be very public. And I was like, brother, I got news for you. I wasn't going to get the job anyway. Okay. Fair. Fair. And so, and I'm a risk taker and I'm a natural born rebel. So I'm going to go for it. And I believe in my audience. And they did. They got me the job there. Great news. That's wild. It was amazing. We kept watching and watching are like doubling the ratings of the regular hosts unseen, unheard of. Like if a guest host fills in and gets about 75% of the audience, that's a pretty good job. Definitely. Yeah. That's a nice job. I'm getting 125, 150 on some super rare occasions got 200%. So doubling the audience, but 125 and 150% of the regular hosts on a consistent basis. To the point where a supervising producer came in close to door on a day we had great ratings. I think you got to bring it down. I said, why? Stop rating so high. He said because the other hosts won't want you to fill in for that is a real thing. That's a real thing. Oh, I know. And so I never felt that way. I'm not competitive, but there are a lot of people would not have you sit in as a, I mean, that actually happened to me. Very famous host stopped having me because I did decent numbers. They don't want that. I get it. Yeah. But good news. So good. I got the job anyway. A man there for six months. And then at the, but in the middle, I kept criticizing the Democrats and I, I kept criticizing Obama from the left, not from the right, but from the left. Like, remember who the home team is. Yeah. Remember who the home team is. That's right. Right. And I'm like, yeah, the home teams, though, audience. That's why I have higher ratings than you've ever had at six o'clock. Yeah. And they made me an offer that they thought I couldn't refuse, which was, you know what? We're going to move you down the weekends, even though you have the best ratings we've had. And by the way, I beat Fox and 18 to 34. I was the only MSNBC show to beat Fox in any demographic. Okay. And they were moving you down the weekends. Why? They won't say it. But Phil did say it earlier on he had pulled me into his office. He's still griffin that that president. Yeah. Of MSNBC. And he said, I was, I was in Washington and they're not happy with your tone. A Washington is not happy. Yeah. What's like a movie? It is. But it's a B rate movie. And I'm like, why are you not believe you? I work for Phil Griffin. So I know who I will always like, but he's not a genius at all. And so he says true things out loud because he doesn't sort of know. I mean, I can literally picture him saying, Jenk Washington's not happy. Yeah. He know he went further. He said outsiders are cool. And they wear leather jackets and ride motorcycles. Okay. But we're NBC. We're not outsiders. We're insiders. I'm like, Phil, this is a dumps. Like I'm thinking it's a dumps beach. And I'm the very last guy on earth. You should be giving this speech to, right? So that's why he offered to double my salary when he said move to the weekends because the only way you stay on cable news is if you play ball, of course, right? And at some point apparently you were, they were not happy with you. Apparently. And that was the message I received. Yes. Yeah. No one ever explained it, but I didn't care. Now when I said no to MSNBC and when you came off of Fox, in their minds, we were gone. We were dead. We didn't exist anymore. But yet here we are. No, I think that I'm thankful to God all the time for that. But no, I totally agree. And part of it's the technology. And I just wasn't far-sighted or broad-minded enough to see it early at all. I mean, I was busy scrambling up the greasy pole and I have television and I didn't see it. You know, I made fun of Rogan. I've told Rogan this. I made fun of Rogan. Oh, a podcast. I'm sure a lot of people listen to that. Or the internet. I was like the internet, please. So you saw it. I wish I had seen it. I didn't. But I also think it's not just technology. It's a way of thinking. And it's super obvious. I wrote a part of a book on this one that. You're opening one is the truest thing. Some of this is real. A lot of it is fake. Go fight amongst yourselves while we loot the place. Like that is true. Yeah. So what they do is they eventually remove anyone who objects to the system. Exactly. Right. So another good example is Dylan Radigan. So Dylan Radigan was a... Always admired Dylan Radigan. Yeah. He was a CNBC. Started their two most successful shows. The biggest, most successful anchor they've ever had. But after 2008 crash, he said it was the banks. Because it was the banks. How is that controversial? And CNBC had to take him off the air. Who else was it? Who else was it? The borrowers? It's the borrowers fault. That was the loans of the banks. So that's how the ecosystem works. Those banks pay the politicians. By the way, number one donor to hope and change Obama in 2008 were the banks. Okay. So then they get a giant bailout and their bonuses are paid. And with some of those winnings, they funnel the money back to the politicians and then how they control media. Well, banks are also huge advertisers. Wait, Peter, is that true? I mean, okay. So O8 happens. The global financial crisis totally changed the world forever. And there's not a single human being honest person who could say it wasn't the banks. I mean, what else would it be if it wasn't the banks? It was only the banks. It was the banks by definition. And he actually got taken off the air for saying that because if you can't say that, then you can't acknowledge daylight or gravity. Yeah. But that's true. That's really what happened. That's definitely what happened. Yes. It's pretty wild. They said it was the borrowers. They did. It was the borrowers. Yes. It was their fault. They were being irresponsible. They should know. They shouldn't have borrowed so much. They wrote their own loans. Is that what they, is that the allegation? I mean, why? Some housekeeper in Clark County, Nevada was writing bad loans to herself. And Goliath, we couldn't tell because we didn't do any due diligence on that loan. Well, why didn't you do any due diligence on that loan, right? Because they didn't care. And because they were using it for collateralized debt obligations and leveraging it up 100 to one and gambling with our money, they weren't actually mortgages. They were financial instruments. Exactly. And we thought we were taking bank loans. They were loaning that money out of interest. And that we were getting the equity in the house, whatever. Not what it was. And Dylan talks about how in the beginning we used to do wealth creation. Now mainly it's wealth extraction. You have noticed. And so those donors having bought Congress and the media are sitting there and extracting as much from us as humanly possible. The oil companies are very successful, some of the top companies in the world. Yes. Very, very profitable. We give them $35 billion in subsidies. Every year. Why? I don't know. Why is the average person working their ass off in Kansas, barely making the rent or the mortgage, have to give money to these incredibly profitable companies to incentivize oil drilling we're here? Do they need further incentive? I thought capitalism was the incentive. I thought profit was the incentive. Why do I have to further incentivize oil companies to do their jobs? To get points, it's determined by the market price of oil, the per barrel price of oil, which is set on international markets. No individual controls that. And so when it's profitable to drill for oil or gas, they do and when it's not, they don't. That's called the market, right? And so and here's another thing that's never corrected on cable news, even though it would be against Trump. So they have every reason to to publicize this. So when we invade Venezuela or we attack Venezuela and now we're getting their oil, right? But wait, who is we? The American people don't get the oil of Venezuela. It has nothing to do with the American people. No, ExxonMobil gets a contract, Chevron gets a contract with Venezuela. They get the oil, they get the profits, they sell it on the world market, not just American market at all. They have no obligation. If they want, they don't have to send, sell Americans a single ounce of that oil, because it is their oil, not our oil. And why does that even matter? Because ExxonMobil otherwise would have had to pay a higher price to get Venezuelan oil. It's not like they couldn't, they could just make a deal with Venezuela, but they chose not to because they thought it would be too expensive. So instead we have to start a war, we have to pay for that war, and then we pay oil subsidies on top for the oil companies, and they get the oil they sent along the world markets. It doesn't lower our prices at all. And so what did we get out of this? Well, so the plan on this and who knows how to work out, I don't know. But the plan is for the administration to negotiate the oil contracts, and for the money to go to the administration and then to be doled out to the treasury and then the companies. That's the stated plan. It happened to be there the other day when they were talking about it. So is the plan to take a percentage of the Venezuelan oil and just give it to America? Yes. That is unprecedented. That's the stated plan. I'm not an expert. I'm not, you know, an energy person. I'm interested, but I'm not an expert. I don't speak Spanish. Like there's a lot of ignorance. And of course I can't see the future. But yes, that's the stated plan. That's what Trump said to, I was having lunch with Trump, and he's like, oh, come to the oil meeting. I'm like, I don't, you know, it's not my world. So I was like, okay, so I go up there and all these heads of the big oil companies, including Exxon, they didn't seem too enthusiastic about it, but we'll see. I just happen to be sitting in the room totally by accident, I mean, literally by accident, because he's asked me to come. And he's like, he's telling him, he's like, no, no. This is for our country, and you'll get a cut that I will decide. You know, I can just tell you what I saw. So that's a, that's not how it should work, right? Because when you say to a different country, we're going to come and we'll take your natural resources, and we're just going to take a certain amount for us, period, sad day for you. What will happen is an insurgency. People will be mad about that. Well, that's the concern. I mean, and the other point that he made again, I don't know where this is going, I am literally praying for stability in Venezuela and around the world. I hate the chaos. I hate the chaos in Israel. And we should so much, we unleash so much. It's just the worst thing that we do. But the idea is that they have cash, big time cash shortages. You have to pay the military. You have to pay the government workers. You have to make sure inflation is an act control, the currency is in clubs, et cetera, et cetera. And that oil profits will go to Venezuela. This is the stated aim to keep the country from falling apart and to prevent insurgencies, which they're afraid of, because then like, how was that a win? Yeah. So I, to say that I'm enormously skeptical of this. Yeah, I get it. I get it. And so you know in Iraq, we didn't get any of the oil, the oil companies got it and it didn't help us at all. Trump's been mad about it ever since. We called a lot of the Latin American countries, banana republics, why we did coups on behalf of banana come. It's not there. Fall is our fault. Our bananas. Did we get the bananas? No. Dole got the bananas. Exactly. They sold them at the same exact price. They just had a higher profit mark. Right. We literally attack countries for Haliburton's profit, for Dole, the companies profits. So who is we? Who is the American people, right? And when do we ever get represent? I could not, I, you know, I vehemently agree. And the space between intent and reality is often very wide. So you don't, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. But it's, I, the only thing that I learned and I was, didn't go to Washington to talk about Venezuela, but I just happen to see this. The main thing that I learned is what's being described is a brand new, brand new system. And whether that'll happen, you know, a lot of powerful forces don't want it to happen. But that's what is being described is a totally new arrangement. We'll see. Yeah. So look, my sense of it is when you go and you attack other countries, our military is amazing, best of the world, best that's ever been created, right? Yeah. So that was an amazing mission that they did in Venezuela and an amazing one they did in Iran. But you do three or four of those and you're going to get burned because it's just a matter of chance. I think that's, I think that's right. And yeah, it's just wrong. It's just wrong. I agree with everything that you said. And just in general, it's good to know your limits. I think humility is important. I think you can really get hurt. I've gotten hurt in my life because I imagined that powers I didn't have. Like I think it's a very male thing. I could do that. Yeah. And so guys, I just want to honest that no, once we lose some men, right? Like I don't know where it's going to happen. I don't know if it's in Venezuela or Iran or somewhere else. But somebody's going to get shot down. We're going to lose 12, 13 guys, whatever's going to happen, right? Because you know, don't panic. Don't let them sheep herd you into saying, well, that means we got to put more troops in. I agree, right? Now we got to get revenge. So then, oh, my, now we lost 100 guys. Now we got to dig in even more and more and more so that, you know, whether it's Exxon mobile or Israel or whoever's profiting off of it, I could not agree more because you open yourself up to manipulation on false flags. And we've seen many, many false flags. I would say there are a bunch of things about the Reagan record. I would not defend. I don't think anyone should defend. But in October of 83, we had this horrible barracks bombing and Marine barracks killed over 200 men, Marines, a horrible, truly horrible bombing. And Reagan did not invade Lebanon, you know, and have a neighborhood he did not invade. I mean, that and people are really on him. Like you can't, you're going to let those murders go un avenged. He said, I don't think it's wise. He wasn't always wise. But in this case, I think he was wise. He didn't invade Beirut. We could have. You know, I voted the last, I used to be Republican growing up. Yeah. And the last Republican I voted for was George H. W. Bush. And so why did I vote for him? Because he, I thought he did something very principal. He said, look, Iraq invaded Kuwait. And we can't have that. There are now, and there are sovereign country. And if sovereign countries attack one another, there'll be no end to it. Right. So then they said, okay, and I like that. I like the first person golf war. In fact, at college, I did a pro war rally. Okay. Actually, actually at Penn, yes, I was on, I got a fox for it. And it debated a anti war guy in Philadelphia over. Okay. So is that tape available? Yeah, it's my first TV appearance. What year was that? That must have been 91, 92. Yeah, and that's more important. Yeah. And so look, I don't think I'd do a pro war rally today. Probably not, right? And people change. And that's what's... We've also had an awful lot of war. We've had an awful lot of war from 1991 or two to present. I don't know how many wars, even 35 years, we've had a lot of wars. Yeah. And at that point, we didn't. We left Vietnam in 1975. And we'd grenade, but we didn't really have a lot of wars between Vietnam. Right? So is it people had a different memory? Yeah. And so, first of all, one of the things that we emphasize on young Turks is open hearts, open minds. Amen. And so, and one of the things I tell the audience is, if I didn't believe in open minds, I would have stayed in Republican. So, right. So, so you got to have, you got to be thinking, you got to be looking at new evidence data. So in that case, it was actually not a bad war. I mean, wars are always terrible, but for the Persian Gulf War, we go in, it's very limited, we frequent, and we get the hell out. And the decision I liked the most was he did not go into Iraq. At the time, Israel and others are going, going to Iraq, going to Iraq. They were mad that we didn't go. Yeah. And the guy who held the line was Dick Cheney of all people. He was a secretary of the facts. And he said, no, it makes no strategic sense for America to go into Iraq. What are we going to do with it? Right? And that was really patient and right. And it's amazing what happens to people. And I don't know what happened to Dick Cheney. But he then turns around, you know, just some small amount of time later, working for George W. Bush. And it says, we got to go into Iraq. We got to go into Iraq. And then, of course, Halibut makes a tremendous profit. Israel's super happy. Or the defense contractors are super happy. We think that Iraq was a waste. We lost trillions of dollars. We lost thousands of men, Americans that died on foreign soil. Or we're destroyed, you know, for the rest of their lives. Yeah. I mean, you must know some. Absolutely. But it wasn't a loss for the donor class. For the donor class, they won. They won't spectacularly. Defense contractors, oil companies, the speculators on Wall Street. They all literally made it killing, right? And at the time, Israel was saying, that's our number one enemy. You have to attack Iraq. Yeah. So it's the whole puzzle. It's not just one thing. And there's another piece to it, which is there's no power like the power to end human life. It's the whole that people derive in being able to extinguish another person's life because it's a godlike power. You know, and I've certainly seen it a lot, you know, people just like, not because they're evil or because they hate it, but they're just like, oh my gosh, I'm so powerful. It's unbelievable. I can literally kill someone. And it's allowed. Boy, that is addictive. And the more you do it, the more you like it. Yeah, I'm worried about it. And so look back to hope. So back then, the media was terrible. And 69% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had personally attacked us on 9-11. Yeah. Now, if I thought Saddam attacked us on 9-11, yeah. If I thought that I would be for attacking Iraq, I mean, attacking us on 9-11 was terrible, right? We need to make sure that that never happens again. There needs to be consequences. Is that true? 69% of Americans thought that? Yes. At the time of the invasion, 7 out of 10, why? Because mainstream media systematically lied to them. They implicitly lied. They would have Dick Cheney come on and say, Iraq is from the same general region as Al-Qaeda. Now wait a minute, if you were a journalist, you would say, but sir, Iraq is opposed to Al-Qaeda. They execute Al-Qaeda on the spot, right? But they didn't say that. Dick Cheney said that. No. I interviewed Cheney during that period too. I'm embarrassed to say you probably said it to me. I don't even remember, but that's so bad. Well, the two main things they kept saying, Tucker, and young Turks are so old, we were on the air at the time, online, OK? Not, not in that case, the radio, OK? And so we were only two shows against Iraq war, young Turks and democracy now, OK? And so we're, that we're national. And we're going, no, they didn't attack us. And everybody in the media is like, shut up, shut up. And patriotic. On, on, on patriots support the troops. I'm like, yeah, I support the troops. I don't want them to die. And for no reason when they didn't attack us. And the second thing was weapons of mass destruction. And where do we get the fake intelligence on weapons of mass destruction? Israel. Yep. As laundered through the New York Times. As laundered through the New York Times. So now we, where's the hope? Now look at the media. Now CNN, MSNBC, we just had a conversation in 10 minutes ago about how they're becoming irrelevant. Yeah, who cares? They went from the guns of the universe, right? Getting to set the narrative. And you want to Iraq war? We're going to give you an Iraq war, right? You want subsidies? We're giving you subsidies. You want to end negotiating prices? We're going to end negotiation of prices. And we're not going to say any, no one's allowed to say that's anti-capitalist, anti-free market. No one's allowed to say anything outside of these tight rules. How do you know that? Well, I said things outside of those tight rules. And they said, you got to go, right? And they do that. They did it to the Iranian. They did it to you. Everyone. But now the podcasts have swarmed them. Now we're larger than them. So now that we're larger than them, the dynamic has changed. So the left and the right didn't abandon Israel for good cause, excellent cause. They didn't abandon them for no reason. They abandoned them because mainstream media does not dominate anymore. There were no online media. Nobody would have heard about any of the terrible things they did. None of it. None of it. So here, I'll give you one fact that's starting. We can talk about the incredible amount of deaths and the children who died and they killed more journalists than the rest of the conflicts in the world come by hundreds of journalists, over 250 journalists. Okay. Some of them assassinated, including an American journalist. Oh, I know. This was pre-doctor 20s, October 7th, but Shreen Abouakli is an American journalist. Oh, shot with scoped rifles at a distance wearing a press. I don't even like journalists that much, but that's like that's such an atrocity. I can't believe it happened. Yeah, we know even the New York Times in CNN was like, yeah, that's an assassination. Shot from hundreds of yards away, sniper, make sure to get them in the neck, doesn't hit the vest, doesn't hit the helmet and kill them. Okay. So Jamakush Koshogi, when he was killed by the Saudis, that became an enormous story. Good. Good. I don't want anybody chopped up. That's a Washington Post columnist. That was crazy and they got condemned and they should. Israel assassinates an American journalist. Like who cares? Wait, did the person get arrested? Who shot her? Who gave the order? Have we asked for a tradition of that person? I know. Nothing. And supposedly American commentators like celebrate Rachel Corey with some lefty girl gets run over by a bulldozer. I don't know that I agree with Rachel Corey on much, but she's an American, I think, from like Pennsylvania. Yeah. She's a girl. And she gets killed. And Ben Shapiro is like, well, don't stand in front of bulldozers. Like, I don't know, that's your fellow American. Like don't you care that a foreign country murdered an American? No. It's her fault. One of the guys who was delivering food got killed. Oh, yeah. Jake, flicking, flicking juror if I'm not mistaken again, look up his name, but no cost quest. No one arrested. No one goes to jail. But you murdered him. You murdered an American. You murdered nine Americans. Shouldn't they be costless? But these days now, the ultimate factor I was going to get to is, so how do you tell if a group is a terrorist organization? They target civilians. How do you know they target civilians? Because they have a very high civilian kill ratio. So for example, Hamas on October 7th, they killed civilians and military. They killed hundreds of military guys, but they killed more civilians. 67% of the people they killed were civilians. So terrorist group. Clear. Obviously. Terrorism. Okay. In Gaza, Israel's civilian kill ratio is 83%. It is worse than Hamas. In fact, it is worse than any terrorist organization in the world. 83% and at scale, tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of people killed 83% civilians. They say, no, you have to apply that label unevenly and unfairly. You only apply it to our enemies, but if we do worse than them, you are not to ever say it. And that figure, by the way, comes from the Israeli press. The Israeli press is way better than the American press. I've noticed. Yeah, you know why? Because they can't call them anti-Semites. Right. It's totally right. Right. So they can't end the career of anyone who criticizes Israel because they were all Israelis. But here in America, if you report the same thing, you're going to be called an anti-Semite and they're going to try to get you fired, shut you up and ruin your life. So that is why I'm not playing along. I'm not playing along. Exactly. But that's my point about hope. No one on TV has ever said what the Israeli press has reported that Israel has an 83% civilian kill ratio in IDF is basically a terrorist organization. And they have killed 70 times the number of people Hamas has killed. And they've killed more civilians as a percentage. But we're forced to fund that terrorist organization. But no one on TV will ever tell you that because if they do, they know that they are risking getting fired. And so I talked to Ryan Grim from Dropsight and he was about this just a couple of days ago on our show. We do young Turks from 6 to 8 PM Eastern every day on YouTube. Then at 8 PM, we're doing a show called Revolution. Okay. Peaceful, nonviolent political revolution. So you must take power away from them. If you don't take power away from the lobbies, then you're forever going to be their servants. Right. Now you could do that in dumb ways like violence, but that's not going to work and it's even more or you could do that through the way that our founding fathers designed through democracy, right? Take their power away at the voting booth. Primaries are golden. Go do primaries. And that's why it makes you medias. So Brian's on and I go, Hey, Ryan, you guys have done these brilliant stories connecting Epstein to intelligence. There's no question about it. Has anyone followed up from mainstream media? New York Times and said, he's like, no, not at all. And he said, look, we're going through a cache of emails that are actually public. They can actually beat us to the scoop and I tell our competitors, beat us to the scoop and they won't do it. They won't do it. So then we got a new conversation and why won't they do it? He said, look, there's no, I totally agree with them. There's no grant conspiracy. There's no memos. But every reporter in DC knows that if you do a story on Israel, even if it's 100% factual, you're risking your career. You want your kids to get into college as James Carville said. That's exactly right. Well, you found out you want your kids to get into high school? No, can't get into high school now. That happened to you. Yeah. I've seen very similar things. And so, yeah, that's intolerable. I, you know, I have a pretty high tolerance for, you know, a corrupt ruling class. I think every ruling class is corrupt to some extent. But I have zero tolerance for humiliation, unnecessary humiliation and for cruelty to people's families, zero tolerance. There's never except that. And that's what's happening now. And cruelty to the families is really, and you shouldn't be surprised. Look, look, look, they're, they're murdering all these kids in Gaza. You think they, you know, have different attitudes, not American attitudes at all. So the naive a day is something we were also taught by mainstream media, right? Oh, what the government says is true. And if you disagree with what the government says, you're a conspiracy theorist. Wait, a, that presupposes that the government never lies. Not just the US government, no government ever lies. Israel never lies, Turkey never lies. Nobody ever lies. No, that has not been my experience. No, okay. Norma, right? Number two, they say, if you say the government is lying, you're a wacko. You're a crazy, you're immoral. And you should be banned from media. You should be canceled, right? So that way, there's no voices to oppose the government inside of media and press and journalists. But as they oppress the population, so you like, you go, I've been a million monarchies in my life and some of them are well run and others are not. But in the well run ones, you can say, well, there's no freedom. You cannot criticize the king. Okay. But which I'm opposed to, I'm American. I'm a totally different frame. However, if the country's well run and the people are prosperous and happy and they're think that their children have better lives than they do, at least you can say, well, they're doing a good job for the people here. But if you run a government that systematically oppresses the people so thoroughly that their life expectancy drops and then you say you're not allowed to say a word about my leadership, that can't stand. That doesn't have a long lifespan. That's too much. Like nobody can handle that, right? And that's where we are. Oh, I know. And so that's why now in the podcast, listen, it's not just you and me, right? You got Tim Dillon and Theo Vaughn and everyone is now speaking up and saying, no, enough. So no, no, no, and so I noticed the Americans they killed. I noticed the 20,000 kids they killed. I noticed all the civilians they killed and I noticed that the Congress that they bought And I noticed that the media is in their pockets. You know, the Congress is obvious. They literally get paid to support Israel, let alone whatever, you know, other interesting, you know, material they might have from Epstein or whoever else, right? And now I see the media. So now I see, this is an awesome development, Tucker, not just saying, hey, I'm done with Israel or I'm done with money and politics. And that's my number one issue. Israel is just a symbol. Money politics is the cancer. That's why we lost our democracy. That's why we lost control of our government because they're just working for the people bribing them. It's super abing. That Israel is a symptom. It's not the cause of all this stuff. Exactly. So, but on top, layered on top of all that, the thing that gives me the greatest hope is that people are beginning to see the illusion. Oh, they're getting us to fight one another. Okay, what are the cultures? What is identity politics? So as a lot of the left was doing identity politics, we're a lone voice to the young Turks, very much in favor of Bernie, very, as left as a guest and the biggest show on the left for a long, long time, right? But we're saying don't do identity politics. Exactly. Why? Because identity politics splits the support. Exactly. Okay. So now you've got to get past that and people are beginning to get past it. And it creates conflicts that can't be resolved. You and I are mad at each other or kids are mad at each other or agreeing kids are mad at each other. Like these are not fixable problems. If you have tribal conflict, it can endure for centuries or longer. Kessie, one thing I think is super important is that you can't allow people to force you to lie ever. And you will lie inevitably and you will say things that are wrong unintentionally. I've done both. But allowing somebody to force you to say something you know is not true destroys you as a person. And I look at, I mean, I could name many people, but my cook we have known for over 30 years, almost 35 years, because I worked in Arkansas at the newspaper and he's a completely different person. Completely, that's a broken man. And I say that with heartfelt compassion, that's a guy who's allowed other people to steal his integrity and force him to lie and you become a husk. And no man can live like that. It's a 1984 Winston Smith thing. Like once you say two plus two equals five, you're broken inside. Like don't allow people to force you to lie. And just need to say that. Yeah, gaslighting is almost an industrial version of torture. Like it is, it totally is a torture in the mind. It's a trinity from you. Yeah. So on the left, you got Federman and Richie Torres that are like that on the right. You got Huckabee and Lizzie Graham and Ted Cruz. And notice, huh, they told us to fight each other, but they seem to agree in awful. When these are unhappy people either, they pay a huge cost. So they all think they're getting something out of this and whatever they think they're getting. I can't even imagine, but were they afraid of threats or whatever, but in the end they lose. When you allow other people to treat you like a slave and to repeat their lies, you are destroyed and you have to live with that for the rest of your life. Don't ever take that deal. Tucker, let me give you one more analogy that clarifies that. Yes. So it's like a movie where they tell you, hey, you know what, your wife came in with this, baby that she found and it's a victim and you guys are gonna adopt it and she's so golden-hearted and she brought the kid home and you go, okay, great, let me see the kid. And a guy walks in and goes, here, first I gotta give you some glasses, okay. And he gives you glasses and you put them on and you, oh my God, what a cute kid. I have no idea where this analogy's going, but I love it. Okay. Totally wrapped up it, okay. So and your wife is nursing the kid and feeding it, et cetera. And then one day you go, I wonder what things look like without the glasses and the guy who gave you the glasses goes, no, no, no, don't take the glasses off. Don't take the glasses off. Now you're like, wait a minute. I really want to take the glasses off. Yeah. And you take the glasses off and you find out the glasses were the illusion. It's not a baby. It's a grown man. Ooh. And he's been inside your house the whole time. Shoot on your wife. Cuddling your wife. Oh no. Taking your money, he's got like a almost a half shirt on, big belly. You know, airy guy. He's sitting on your couch with your wife. Suckling. Suckling. It turns out the glasses were the thing that made you see it wrong and made it seem like it was an innocent victim, a little baby you were taking care of. Now you find out you got a grown man inside your house. Pawn on your wife and draining your checking account. Now the question is, who are you most mad at? Okay. I'm the least mad at the guy. First though, the first action I'm going to take, even though I'm the least mad at him, is you got to leave. You got to leave the house right now. Otherwise something terrible is the man child. Yes, the second on your wife. Okay, yeah, I agree with that. Okay, first step is get the fuck out of my house. Okay. Second guy I'm mad at is the guy who gave me the glasses. Yeah. What the fuck you made it seem like it was an innocent victim and I was being a good guy by helping this entity. Okay. And now I find out, no, it was just someone taking advantage of me. Yes. And taking the person who was supposed to be closest to me, that was supposed to have trust with me. Yes. And taking all my money and you played me for a fool, I fucking hate the guy with the glasses, right? But the person I'm most upset is the betrayer. Is the betrayer. The wife in that case, it's an uncomfortable analogy. You could switch it to husband and wife. That's not the point. The point is, yes, if you don't get it by now, whether it's Israel or any really lobby, any donor class, that's the baby. The guy with the glasses is the media saying, oh, no, these poor little oil companies, they need your money. Look at it, it's a victim. Otherwise they can't drill for oil. These drug companies, they've only made trillions. You can't let them negotiate prices, right? Or it's Israel. Oh, it's an innocent victim of all the nasty Muslims and terrorists around them. And then you look at the map, wait a minute, Israel has gained all this territory and they've done it by taking 300 billion from us. But most importantly, the wife is the politicians. Yes. And they're supposed to represent us and they have betrayed us. Okay. And I can't stand it. I can't stand it. It's time for a divorce. It's time for a divorce. So everyone's got to get out of the house. First, the hairy guy, you got to go. Okay. So otherwise we're going to have trouble. Then the guy with the glasses and then finally the wife. Everybody's got to go. We're going to get a fresh new start. OperationConsequences.com. Okay. I can't, I literally could do this interview for 10 hours and never improve on that analogy. So I want to end with that. That was amazing. That was a wake up thingy, but that didn't have cold sweat. Check, thank you. That was amazing. Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate it.