The Accidental Matriarch: Friday, January 30th, 2026

Good morning, girl, is it the tallos? It's Jackson Claude and where your hoes. It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly, it's the toast. It sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast, yay for Friday. Yay, hey, Jacquie, how you doing? Good morning, Queen Corgi. Good morning, Popper, Jacks. I guess. Yeah, you're my loyal subject. I am. I'm using very loyal. First of all, I'm as loyal as Queen Corgi. I'm loyal. I could not be more loyal as an individual. Although I feel as though you're only using me for Cub Corgi. You love Cub Corgi. That's not true because I loved Queen Corgi long before. I haven't met Cub Corgi. I didn't meet Cub Corgi till two nights ago. I've been standing Queen Corgi since October. Kind of a busy day doing press interviews, press this, press that. Everybody wanting an interview with Queen Corgi. She's very busy, that corgs. Yeah, but she's really opening up to the press. She's really opening up. 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That's how we keep this maverick lighting on. Correct. Make sure to head over to patreon.com to check out the mass singer BTS episode. We will be recording later today. Well, let's talk about something. Let's talk about my Botox and my filler. Because it's been a couple of days and I feel like I'm loving it. I think you look great. Yeah. Your lips look great. They look great because they don't even look that changed. So what I believe, I heard her talking about it and then I was watching TikTok. Apparently this is what the procedure, if you want to call it that, is called the kiss. You told me that. Oh, I did. So if anybody wants, like you love my lips and you want to tell your doctor, it's called the kiss. I guess I do see like your upper lip. Yeah, they really, they only put the needle in the top of my lip. Like to lift it a little bit. And then a little Botox on her. I know I feel like my smile has been so less gummy. Like I'm feeling serious, smile. Party. Right? And like I can feel my forehead not moving, you know? I'm so jealous I was looking at my forehead today. And I was just counting down another day counting off the calendar. Right. You're almost there. You know what? I should make an appointment with a, like there was a person you wanted to get an appointment with, but you couldn't get an appointment for a few months. That's when I'll be ready. Yes. I should make the appointment. We're ended up going. I had the best experience. I highly recommend it. I probably will go there. Like I'm glad that it worked out the way that it did. But I am in a place to get a great appointment right now. Yeah, you are. But like you don't know anyone who's like, like you can see me. Like I am. I see you. And I know you really. I don't see my calls, which is ugly. I texted you last night. Good call. I had a good call back someone from Traders reminding us of someone we know. It was a good call, right? It was a good call. I wrote a good call. You also made a crazy call offline to me yesterday that I didn't really agree with. What did you say? What did I say? We were sitting on your couch and you said, what did you say? It was really out there. It was like, it was out there. It'll come to us. You made a call about like a celebrity who looks like someone. What were we talking about? We talked about everything. Like we cover the gamut of all things. Okay. Today's episode is fabulous. We've got Traders recap. We've got Queenie and Weenie. We've got. Do you watch Tell Me Lies? I did. Me too. Oh, great. Maybe we'll make that like a fourth story recap. Was it the best episode ever because Steven was barely in it? I was like, why am I enjoying this episode so much? I don't feel that dread that pit. He was in it for two seconds. Of course, the seconds that he were in it was like enough to make me want to kill him. But there was something that was really, oh, when he sent the pictures. Yeah, awful. That was dreadful. Fucking love Diana. I love her. She's being an idiot. Yes, she's lost control. She had a lot of control last season, keeping things from Steven. And this season she like can't help but like rub his nose in it. It's like, girl, you're not out of the woods yet. No. And that was pit inducing. However, if someone like said, I feel like it's going to backfire on him. Because why would a college like someone's ex sent them? Revenge for words. You know what I mean? It's a law school and revenge porn is quite literally illegal. So I hope that that does like backfire on to him. There's quite literally nobody on this planet. I hate more. Also, I like the episode so much because it was so much, uh, uh, rigly and, um, right. Right. And obsessed. Like I could not be more obsessed. They make me like, I'm kicking my feet. Like, no, I'm like, rigly putting Steven in his place a number of times. But like, you could just see like, Steven's really happy. He has no one to share it with. And he's like trying to be happy. Like, he's not really going to like have an equal and opposite reaction when he realized like, Oh, I mean, my joy is like cruelty. Yeah. And when he was like kind of tricking everyone to go out and celebrating him, I was like, seriously, got the biggest egg. Like, could you be a bigger, bigger loser? Speaking of it, I got the biggest egg last night from Ben. Okay. He was actually getting that. Okay. So like, I told you, Rumi, that's what I know. So like this light little cold has been running through our house. Like, you could tell I have a little, I'm really fine. Ben got hit with a true cold. His nose is so stuffed. You know, when like, you can't pronounce like certain vowels and consonants, like, instead of saying like, I'm fine, I'm fine. You know, he was being so nasally in bed last night. Like, we were trying to watch traders. We were like getting snacks. We did go puff. Like, we ordered some like true for. And he was like, what do you want? And I was just like, Yaki, he was just me. And I was like, I need you to stop talking. He was like, you're being so mean. I'm like, I'm sorry. But if you talk like that, he was like, in my ear too, Oh, I'm not crying. Yeah, but it was worse than that. I also was really stuffy. And I was like, okay, get away from me. Like, he was being so ikky last night. You know what's also ikky about it? It's like, you thought the same thing that he's fighting. Yeah. And Ruby spotted it. And it's like, we're all singing him down. You're all stronger than you. And it's not that it's not that serious. I've been where you are. And it's like, man, you should go to war. And now the amount of tissues on your face. And now you're getting a worse cold than me. Oh, and then like, as I was falling asleep, I was on a face of sleep where I'm just about like I'm La la la land. Yeah, what do I call it? What do I hear? Like blowing his own. And I'm like, you are going to have to do that elsewhere. And then this morning he was like, I don't know if you heard, but like I left the room last night in the middle of the night to go blow my nose. I'm like, well the middle of the night is like, I probably would have slept through it. But right at like, you know, 1047 is when you need to leave the room. It's just kind of a crazy night in my house. That is crazy. It's a crazy night in my house. Vax is like sleeping like a newborn again, like eating every three hours. That's just, I don't, it could just be like a spur. It could just be like a spur. So we'll see because we like have been trying to get him to sleep in the crib, but we might have to go back to co-sleeping because that's not, that couldn't work. Like we get better stretches when we all sleep together. Let's not look out for number one. Yeah, like we were getting better sleep a few weeks ago than we are now. So, but I also do feel like that just sometimes happens. Like you're, it's not linear. It is linear, but they're like little divots. And maybe you're just in a divot. I, perhaps and I'm fine with that. And I'm willing to like ride it out weekend to a degree. But like every three hours like 10, 3, 6, 30, like, hmm, now it's our work. So we got to switch it up. Shake it up, Chicago girl. Yeah, I think I'm going to shake up some things. I was going to talk to you about it. Like, I'm, Are schedule? No, no, no, no, my feeding. Oh, okay, I would love to talk about it. No, I'm just like, no, it's not fully, it's not a full thought. Oh, are you thinking maybe starting combination? Like maybe just to get a little stuck. Like, by the way, that's like how to tell a lot of people do. Like because formula, but the thing about breast milk that's so beautiful is that it I just so quickly because it's so natural. It's very sensitive on the baby stomach. And that's great. But that means they get hungry again quicker. So a lot of people just introduce formula at night. Well, because also like when he's feeding all night, then when I pump in the morning, I always pump to get out the extra. And there's not that much extra. Two weeks ago when I would pump to get out the extra, I was getting like 10 ounces. Yeah, but you're also just regulating. Like it's now the time. No, but enough for a bottle while I'm gone. And then some for the freezer. Today I had to take out of the freezer for while I'm gone. Oh, I've so been where you are. Because I'm feeding throughout the night. But if we don't feed in the night, then I pump in the morning. I got plenty for the day. I love formula at night. Like do it. Seriously. I'm thinking about it. We'll see how the next two days goes. But I'm just like, I'm not taking from the back freezer. I didn't take from the even the front freezer. When you start like when you're still breastfeeding and you're actively dipping into your own stash, like it's so traumatizing. It's really when your milk starts to regulate. That exactly happened to me. Well, my milk is regulated because I was never a pumper. But now that we're eating more at night, that takes away from what I'm producing during the day. I hear you. And I need to like reverse it. Yeah. Uno reverts. 1,000%. I have a can of formula that I'll leave it your house. Go for it. I don't know what I'm going to use. I know. The formula war is. Yeah. It's wild out there. I'm waiting for the episode of American grade. You know, oh god. Like it's so crazy out here. I know. It's such a hard choice. I know. Even though then once you do it, it's like, OK. Yeah. I feel like now if I was stuck in it. Because you know, I realized on a TikTok, somebody said like, you know, they don't sell any formula at airports. Which is actually crazy. Like they should sell formula. They don't sell diapers either. There should be like a vending machine. There's kind of like mathematics, you know. So if I was like in an emergency, and I feel like now, when I was choosing formula, I was like, I have to do. Look at all the studies. Now I'm like, put it in the model. Like I would take anything. What does it have to do with the airport? Like if I was in an emergency in the airport. So what would you do? And someone was like, well, here I have whatever. I would be like, yeah, sure. Yeah. I feel like the bandaid ripping off the bandaid is the hardest part. Like it would never give in formula. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And once you have it, whatever. So when I have in the past, and we use the same one the last two times, and like it was good. So I don't know why I might not do it again. I don't know. It's a big decision, feeding. I think about. It's a big decision. I think about what I'm going to eat so thoroughly. Look, I'm always thinking about what I'm going to eat. The amount of thought that goes into my own appetite. Yeah. It's huge. And it wouldn't make sense to us to do different formulas because we're always like sharing. Yeah. Yeah, it would just be more convenient for me since I literally post about your house all the time these days. If you could just be on my journey as well. Yeah. But Rui, he's not picky. No, no. If I switch, she'd switch. Yeah, oh, a thousand percent. That's what I'm saying. Like I could put anything in his bottle. Yeah, yeah, because he's not picky, Rui. No. And like his mama. Well, today's episode is like his father. Yes, exactly. He's having a very advanced. Vacuum. He'll try all formulas for help corners of the world. Yes, vacuum. We have so much to do today. We've got Queenie and we've got traders. We have traders. We actually can. Really, we have like two TV recaps Queenie and we are recording a Patreon after. It's like, we have let's get down to business. The girls want to mow. To the beach. The... On. Yeah, I know. But we're not defeating the Hun here at the Toast. Who do we defeat here every day? The Patriarchy. I love that. We? I feel like we are the Patriarchy. Do you feel that? I feel like we're actually low key defeating the Patriarchy while also trying to uphold it. Do you know what I mean? No. Like... We're pro-Patrearchy in essence, right? Yeah, like I work... It's like a patriarchal society, you know? I wouldn't say I'm like pro-Patrearchy. I'm not going to lie. I don't like 100% know what the patriarchy is. I know it's like men who built this country keeping those like women hating systems in place. And I do think there are like some of those like women hating systems are just low key like better lives for women. I don't love... I love my job, obviously, but like I would have loved also like not to have to work. Right. That would be the Patriarchy that kept you in the home, which... Yeah, which I love my home. So yeah, I'm sort of like teetering on, I can't decide whether the Patriarchy is bad. So, well, I think like it gets a really bad rap, but I think like when you... I sometimes have an internet. I'm like internet speak. They confuse the patriarchy with like government. Do you know what I mean? A system of government in which the father or eldest male is the head of the family and descendist trace through the male line. That's literally like what we live in. Like Roy, but... Yeah, I guess, because like... Yeah, okay. So it's like we're a pro-Patrearchy, like where the father would be the head of the family, sure. Yeah, yeah. However, like we're actually up... Like we just found ourselves like in a matriarchy. In a matriarchy. I don't know. Like I didn't set out to be a matriarchy. Get here. I'm such a matriarchy. I didn't set out to fuck the patriarchy, yet here we are. Fucking it. Fucking the matriarchy. Yeah. Unintentionally. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's really quite beautiful. Yeah. So, someone wants to fix that. I just think also I find like the word patriarchy, the way some people feel about moist, you know? I feel like... I just feel like some people make the patriarchy like in fucking it, like their whole personality. And I'm like, go back to work. Like I just... I find like patriarchy, verbiage, like an internet. Like I find it annoying. So I'm not with them. No, it's taking on a meaning of a tone, but like actually definition. It's just a government. And it is a patriarchy. So it is the government. Okay, I was wrong about that. Like a society in which like the men are hold the power. Yeah, I guess like we've quite literally never had a female president. Like that's really crazy. Yeah, but also like think about your kids. They have your husband's last name. It's been last name. That it's traced through the male line. But here's the thing. Like if I had made like a really big stink, like I could have gotten Ruby's last name to be Ashur. Like I could have fought my way. We've had this conversation. I think we had it with Ben on the toes. Yeah, we did. When we were in the Hamptons. I mean, he was like not down, but if I, like if I sat him down and I really worked on it, like I could have gotten it. I think it's nice. Like I have no problem with it not being my last name. I actually think... Like I have no, like this is how it is now, but I do think like... If I could... We're nearing the end of that. Like I think that will change in the next 100 years. Yeah. It doesn't, like to me, it doesn't make a ton of sense. Yeah, we have said this when we do dear toasters, because a lot of girls right then being like, you know, it's hard to change your name. And they feel conflicted. Sometimes someone's last name is like duty or whatever. And we always say it really shouldn't be a gendered issue. It's not like it's automatically the man or it's automatically the woman. I think like some names, sorry, like are better than others. Sonically, some names have a lot of history. I think there's a lot of factors that go into it and the family should just decide. Yeah. Based on lots of different factors, you know, how does it look? Initials, like things of that, you know, some shallow, like, you know, I don't like that last name or, you know, or we had, you know, a famous unfold. No, I think there should be like a reason, but it's like the woman carries the child, like... That's... But that's... Maternity is established, you know? Like, it's... Oh, yeah, so if it has, you know, if I carry the baby and the baby has my last name, like, who is this man? Yeah, but I do feel like that is classic patriarchy. Like, we carry, we feed, we do everything, and we don't even get the name. Yeah, so that's like, I don't love that one. Me neither. But patriarchy is like perfect. But I'll accept it, you know, like, it's been this way for hundreds of years. Like, I don't necessarily think it should change how I think that would be really confused. Yeah, I think people who hate the patriarchy, like, want to just get rid of everything, like, since the dawn of time, and I do feel, like, connected to the woman of your, because we're still doing some of the same thing. So, I don't know, I don't know. We're no, like, we're so matriarchical. Beyond. In our lives, I don't think we realized, but it's like, we didn't, like, choose. We're just like the accidental matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course, and also our memoirs, the accidental matriarchs. Yeah. That's really easy. I just, I love my job. I earn a great living. If I had it, my druthers, like, I would just be a kept woman. Oh, one thousand. So, especially since I had a baby, I'm so tired. But I love my job, and I'm never gonna quit. Yeah, but it's like accidental. Like, here we are, like, you know, but actually, patriarchy busters. I wish it was a way to, like, find a TikTok that you saw this morning that, like, stuck with you. Do you know what I mean? Oh my God, and the ones that I saved, because I think they're gonna stick with me. I never go back for it. I saw one. And the ones that stick with me, I didn't save. Maybe if I liked it, I don't like stuff on TikTok. I just scroll, but if you like it, there's like a liked section. Let me see. Fuck no. It was this, like, video of this, like, a hundred-year-old farmer being like, why women should stay home? And it wasn't, like, stereotypical, like, make me a sandwich. It was like, women need to stay home so they can take bubble baths and live luxuriously and not get wrinkles. And it was like, yes, actually. And the comments were like, and the comments were like, and if that was my husband, I would wanna make him a sandwich. I would wanna keep a nice home. Which is come the way that men talk about women staying home. It was all like for their own benefit. It's like, well, fuck off, I'm going to work. But if the men were like, I need my woman to stay home so she can be happy and healthy and thrive, well, you know what? I would wanna make the bed for you, for when you get back, you know? So I just think maybe the way we talk to one another has a lot to do with it as well. I agree. Not be like, my woman stays home and she wipes my ass and she cleans my toilets and she makes me a sandwich. Yeah. It's like, well, no. Why do you have that accent? Because the guy in the video did. Like dad asked, he was like, he was a big, like, big ass farmer. Well, I love that, dear farmer. Yeah. Bring back to your farmer. You're a sexy farmer. What happens to them? They were like one of our biggest sponsors kind of like, they're just like laying low, I guess. Yeah. But they sponsored dear toasters and we called it dear farmer and that's just toasty lion. We should have changed it like permanently to the dear farmer's act. We should give it a toasty lion's. 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She was like asked to like, who's she gonna bet on, whatever. He commented on that, he said, I bet a million Seahawks get that ring before you do at Kendall Jenner with like the blushing, very girly emoji like. Oh, I know that one, spare fingers. Yeah, that's not like for a big man, but okay. And then she wrote back at D Book, rolling eyes emoji, how's the ankle and he wrote back, come rub it. Ew. So how did he so come? Properly. Thank God for that. Thank God for that. So people were like, what in the what? Is this stick, the people were confused whether this was like a real like comment that he left or like part of the campaign. So it seems like it's part of the campaign because he also posted a story in support of fanatics. So it seems like he's in the fanatics family and they're like bantering and getting paid to banter. However, I don't think it's part of anyone's media and marketing strategy to say come rub it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like his initial comment like I bet a million that he got me by the way. It was mean, but also he's like betting. He's still like making about fanatics. Yeah. And then they went rogue. I just feel like he went off script her to rub his ankle. The thing is is not to be such a narc. Because I was loving this campaign and I still laugh. But you know, I get in trouble what I don't do like hashtag add and stuff like that. You know, you can get sued by the FTC. And if you like us like guessing whether or not this is like a paid endorsement, just does violate FTC regulations. His comments should have had to have said, you know, better than before you do at Kendall Jen or hashtag add. Because it is confusing. I just sorry to be an arc. Yeah, but I guess when you're the spokesperson for a company, you can sometimes like post in support of them and it's not paid. Yes, but we didn't know Devin Booker like. No, but he had something on his story like about fanatics. Okay. Charter whatever like. Yeah. Yeah, also like I find you this whole campaign lesson less requires me to watch a video from Jimmy of Kendall face having Tom Brady. I actually didn't watch it because I don't care. Yeah. So like all the positive like fun feelings that I had on Monday or whenever we talked about it like they are less and it was still a great commercial. But like, you know, I don't know, Kendall was being like, you know, nerd on valid. Like I'm just like I'm liking it less. Yeah, it's just a lot to consume. You know, I don't want to have to keep up. I don't want to feel like I missed something. Yeah, and I know we were like waiting for a follow up commercial perhaps on the actual day of the Super Bowl and that I would have been fine and fun with. And it's like it felt like her spot on Jimmy was sponsored by fanatics. It was. It's a lot to keep up with and I don't want to do that much keeping up at the moment. Yeah, I've seen some other roles. Make it easy for me. I've seen some other roles and it pains me because I'm about to say something negative about Uber Eats which is probably my most use application. But I feel like they often fall into like the trope of just like. Throw money at it. Throw money through celebrities. Like really unmemorable commercials and they probably spend the most. They're one of the brands that spends the most money every year on the Super Bowl. And like they've already started their rollout with like Parker Posey. It's just like very topical, very white lotus. And it's just like. Oh, stayed it. Yes, for sure. I remember like they had like Ross and Rachel from Friends. So they get like amazing celebrities but everything's so unmemorable. I feel like they really like they need to do something different. They're always just doing the same formula. And I feel like it's not memorable. They spend so much money. They just like trying to get the most famous person that they could possibly get. And it's like, okay. Yeah. And there's so much you could do. It's not like a hard brand to advertise for. No, and I love Uber Eats. It's my favorite. Well, that's a pair of criticism. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? And the commercial was so corny. It was like, well, it was like her being very, you know, Parker Posey, like football is like, okay, she doesn't talk like that. Is she was saying how football is like so food coded? You know, Jerry Rice. Yeah, and then I don't know the other players that she named but they all had like food in there. And I was like, oh. Yeah, me. Yeah, it was so like written by Third Grader. Wow. She, they need to hire the fanatics writer who wrote that kind of commercial. Yeah. The commercial is still great. The cheese stands alone, but like everything else I could live without. What's the cheese stands alone? Ben is always saying it. I realized this morning that I literally titled our episode because I was running out the door so I couldn't really think of a title and you suggested it. So I thought I just assume that the cheese stands alone is a phrase from the final verse of a children's nursery rhyme and game. Oh, the farmer in the del. The cheese stands alone. Yes. Okay. I endorse. It's cute. That's why maybe I know it now more than ever. Maybe Ben's been singing it like in his nursery roundup, you know? And his roundup. Perhaps. That's beautiful. Thanks. I thought it was going to be like something stupid from TikTok. That's actually really sweet. I endorse our title from the other day. You think so little of me, sweet sister. And once again, the cheese stands alone. Imagine if we made the title the cheese stands alone again. The cheese stands alone. Part two. I beat. I beat down. I beat down if you have the prototype. The accidental matriol. That would actually, the accidental matriol starts with this show should be called. 1000%. If we ever rebrand somebody right that down, like that's the title. But I also like it for a memoir. Or it sounds like a book that gets turned into a movie. It sounds like a movie. And then a multimillion dollar lawsuit. Oh, I saw TikTok today. So I was telling Jackie before. Oh, we can do the story next. Oh, okay. A Bouchust in Baldoni. I feel like I've been doing a lot of research on Baldoni V lively. And I know people are over it. I mean, that's just not going to work for me. Because I feel like I've sort of fallen on the sword of Blake lively. And up until recently, they've been sort of laying dormant. And I wasn't 100% sure if I was right. And I was like, I'm gonna stop talking about it because I feel like maybe I went too far and I would have had to backtrack. And I just want to say, like prepare to be sick of me. I am now sure more than ever that I'm team Blake lively. I just want to say that. So a voicemail was unsealed to. Oh, corny. From Blake to Jess and Baldoni before making it ends with us in the voicemessing. And she's got some real nerve leaving like minutes long voicemail for a coworker. It's inappropriate. She is insufferable. Sent on February 2023. February 8th 2023. She spoke openly about feeling overwhelmed as she prepared to return to work while juggling back-to-back projects and newborn and family obligations. She said, I'm talking to a friend at this point more than anything. She explained that she was already committed to filming another project first, despite feeling physically and emotionally stretched then. She said, the only reason that I'm doing that movie before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that. But having a week off in between, it's just a lot. She described the stress of returning to work without adequate care. The child's, I had a quick childcare support. I still don't have a baby nurse. She said adding that the idea of going back to work so soon felt overwhelming. That really made me a mess, I guess. Literally me today. Like literally like actually relatable. I don't know why the fuck she's telling this to her like soon to be boss. Yeah, she said shooting an April shooting in March is just too soon after having a baby and not sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape. This is literally me. You guys play about us. Please. I like that. Obviously, she said, there's selfish reasons I'm telling you this. If by chance you're like, oh my god, I could go two weeks earlier, that would actually be great than amazing. Oh, this is that kind of sad. Yeah, we what's cringe about this? Just like her voice. Everything that she releases her text, like she is just like corny millennial woman. So she's like the way she speaks is very chugey and corny. But the message is actually, and then she said, she said, she said this is my social interaction these days, just talking into voice memos. So like now, this is like the voice memo of like a sad, desperate woman. This is why we need the patriarchy because this woman shouldn't be working. A thousand percent. So she's having a woman who like needs to work. So this is like, yeah, she didn't feel like the societal pressure to work because what, she doesn't do a movie because she had a baby and then she's put out to pasture because she didn't get on the circuit and everyone forgets about her. Right, that's what happened on women. No, it's a tale is old as time and no matter what industry you're in, like you're getting passed up for shit. Yeah, because you took three days off. If you take two, if you take too long off, we can't even take a long journey because everyone will move on. No, it's so true. If I didn't know that another pop up with her pocket that they love. The thing is like, that is true. Yeah, it is. And it's like not people's fault. Like they got to live, they got to listen to podcasts. Like, no, it's terrible. Like we'll be bleeding out here. And then we also get accused of like taking too long. Like I can. So I actually quite deeply relate to Blake in this voice memo. It is just, I think the shock value is really still not wearing off for people like with reading Taylor's text messages. These are things, why would we ever expect to hear like a mega celebrities voice memo? Like the point of voice memo we said, it's a part of it. Oh, it's a part of it. And it's like, oh, your texts could end up in court. Let's send voice memo. Oh, but like, I thought they disappear. And he obviously kept it. And the various people who keep voice memos are not your friend. Voice memos? I know when someone keeps my voice memo, I'm like, why? I didn't even say any. So I really, I'm gonna call out someone by name. Remi Bader keeps all my voice memos. And I just like voice memo her because we're like gossiping and stuff. And I'm like, why do you keep keeping them? Just like it's like a setting. I don't know how to turn off. Oh, I feel like Shann. I feel like Shann keeps them. So I think it's a setting and like Shann and Remi, turn it off. And I'm just like, was that so interesting? Yeah, I want to ever hear it again. I was like, I used to send them a lot when I was breastfeeding because I only had one hand. Yeah. And it's like, I'm just gossiping, but stop. No, sometimes I'm just explaining something. It's actually more boring. That's why I need to be explained. It's actually not like Rattata. So I can do Rattata over talk to texts. Oh, I can Rattata with the best of them. But I can't do talk to texts when I have some like boring nuance things to say. Yeah, that's when I do my voice memo. They're not even that interesting. So like, why are you keeping it? Do you ever want to listen to it again? I think there is a setting that automatically keeps them. I'll give Shann and Grace. Yeah, I'll give Remi Grace. But I think just about only keeping them as various. Yeah. So also what I was going to say is sometimes you put the worst in the voice note because you think that it will disappear. It will disappear. When you don't want to say put something in writing, you say it. But now knowing. Yeah, I think we're all moving differently, technologically, ever since this lawsuit and all the evidence has started to come out. Yeah. So if you're a genuine person, if you want to talk. Yes, if I use something crazy to say, like, let's go off the grid. Yeah. You can come down to Florida. Yeah. And we can talk about it. So a lot of evidence that has, it's so funny because so much documents were released. Everything is still very slowly being unsealed. I'm not unsealed, but like sort of made public. And I think we talked a lot last week about the cut of the movie, right? Like Sony, why were there two? And so it's now been confirmed via documents that Justin Belldoni's contract with Sony. There was always going to be a bake off. He did not get final cut of the movie. Sony was worried about giving this huge budget. They gave him $25 million. Did they call it a bake off? It's called a bake off. That's what it is. When there are multiple edits of a film and then the best tested one moves forward. So this whole time, it's been sort of a ledge that Blake stole the movie and she made her own cut, like going rogue with Ben Affleck. Well, no, Justin Belldoni never had final cut of the movie. His contract with Wayfarer is now like public. He never had final cut. There was always going to be a bake off. He was able to put forth his own final version. And then there were agreed upon, they were going to do the testing and then there were agreed upon categories. There was like, you know, under 35, women, 18 year and older. And so there were two key categories that he had to win in the bake off to get his cut made and he lost both of them, like fair and square, two Blake lively. Blake lively's cut is Sony's cut. So Sony gets a cut and Justin Belldoni gets a cut. I'm not 100% sure why Sony's cut, they went to Blake lively, but they did. Calling Hoover endorsed it. And all this time we thought Justin's cut one of the Blake's went to theater. Well, actually we thought Justin's cut one and Justin's went to theater now it turns out. No, we thought, but up until last week we thought that like his was better but Sony went with her. Yeah. No, hers was better in the two key categories that before all this drama, Justin signed his contract saying yes, I want to, I will win these two categories if my cut. So it kind of makes sense because Justin was this sort of green director. They gave him the budget and you know what? Like say what you want about Blake lively, that her cut went on to make $350 million. Calling Hoover said she thought it was better, it told the story better. Calling Hoover also, like there are emails coming out now that she was like having problems with Justin like before Blake was even cast. That like he cut her out when she sold the rights to whoever it was. Sony, she had said like she had been burned in the past by like some of her works like them cutting her out and so she wanted to be more involved. There's like an email of her just like sort of pleading being like I'd like to be more involved in the script writing process and Justin like totally cut her out and like was holding events with like fans to work on the script. Excuse me. And he invited calling but told her not to speak. Is that weird? That is weird. Silence in women. Just write the script, you know? Yeah, right. Just write the script and also it's based on a book it's pretty much written for you. So like I think calling an endorsing Sony slash Blake's version and then Blake winning, it was like sort of a no brainer. Yeah. But so a lot of misinformation when it comes to the cut and I'll acknowledge like I also was missing for informed. Yeah, but that's all good to know. It's very interesting. So the whole thing is like, it's less of a stolen movie, it's more of like that she like wanting. Right. And I think Justin really needs to legally prove that Blake stole the movie because if that's the case then he wouldn't have been capable of harassing her because she was not his subordinate, you know? And that's what his counter suit was about but it got thrown out. So he really needs to prove that Blake stole the movie like legally in order to be free of any alleged harassment because you can't harass someone who's not like, it's not harassment in the workplace if it's not your subordinate. Well that's not true. I think that's like what the legal claim he's taking is. You could harass your boss. That's a result. Okay. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Thank you for that. I feel like like, when I'm feeling closer to clarity. Yeah. And the lawsuit hasn't even started yet. I just like, I was teetering. Like I wasn't 100% sure if I was right in a conflict like, I mean, I was like, have I made a grave error? And that's why I did stop talking about it. And when they lost it. For two days. No, no, no, like we took like over the summer. Like there was, oh wow, wow, wow. I thought you meant like since last week. No, and then like since last week, I've been feeling more like I really don't. I don't think Justin Baldoni is like this big victim that everyone like all these people think he is. Like I think like he was a freak. There's so many women on record. I feel like that whole thing is getting pushed aside all the women on record. You know, his former podcast host need to interview her. Like she is the most interesting woman in the world to me. What did she say? Remember she just like quit being like toxic masculinity. Yeah, but I thought she quit like when he was getting canceled. Yeah. So she supported him for years. Right. So is it just like you couldn't take the heat? Or do you have something to say? Liz Plank. Okay, I was for me was giving wean energy. Yeah, but it could be giving victim energy. Right. So there's there's the young Lily, whose actress's name I can never remember. I'm so sorry. Of course Blake Lively, Jenny Slate, the podcast host Colleen, like saying that she was being silence. Yeah, I'm feeling more sure than ever. Like I'm ready to be the villain of this story. Like I am not. I'm not team Justin Baldoni. Like I stand firmly like prepare to be sick of me. I've done the research and I'm going to make triark. Yeah, look at me. accidental. Yeah. Yeah, I just think it's been so easy to like Blake Lively. She sure she's annoying. That's that being the headline. She's a weenie. She's in sufferable. She talks we are her entailers. We have like took down yet whatever. Our next story is actually a razz anyone. Okay. Netflix's new dating show Age of Attraction keeps contestants real age under wraps. The trailer just dropped for a new Netflix show called Age of Attraction that is hosted by Nick Vial and Natalie Joy Vial because they have an age gap. What's the difference? She is a it's an 18 year age gap, but it just feels so much smaller because she's he's he's a podcast or so. He's like in a young man's game. Well, he looks young. He seems younger and she seems all right. She's like a mother already. That was a mother very young, but it's still so crazy. Yeah, so they're the perfect hosts for this show. They are. That's called Age of Attraction. So it's a bunch of people ages 22 to 59 and they like, you know, rotate date each other and fall in love. And then they don't find out each other's ages until the end. It's giving season one of love is blind. Like it kind of sounds like an amazing idea. I just want to say like, it's it's kind of weird because like you can you have eyes? Well, you might not know someone's exact age, but like you can see if they are older or younger. Do you know who like would have been perfect on this show? Jessica and Mark. Oh, yeah. From love's blind. Like, because they weren't two people who couldn't get past age. And I think sometimes that does happen. But they were like so similar in age. How different was this one couple that the trailer focuses on? Or he's clearly younger and she's clearly older and then like there. And she was like, typically, if I had met you, I would have set you up with my daughter. Do you watch a trailer? No. And then at the end, it's like we're going to share each other's ages. But it's like, we have eyes. You are not age gap again. 22 all the way to 59. You don't love like a 22 year old girl being with a 59 year old man. There is like an element of Ick here. But everyone has eyes is what I'm saying. Like you could see that someone's older or younger. You might not be able to guess their exact age. But within what like five years, you think you'd be able to guess like five to ten. If you are in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Like it's not that crazy. It's not blind. And then at the end, they're going to say their age and how different could your age be? Like from what you will. Well, let's see. Maybe they cast people. Maybe that's what like the casting director was looking for. Like people who really don't look their age. There are people like that. Yeah. When I went to the dermatologist to get my Botox, I was like, how old are you? She looked amazing. She was an amazing, you know, advertisement for herself because she was 44. I'm like, you look my age. That was like me when I was at, you know, the restaurant. They said I looked 18. Where was that? You were there. I don't remember. I was talking about it, but I choked up to the pads. What was that where we at? The club. We were in the club. We were at the club. I remember. We were in the club. Those a few weeks ago. Oh, you remember somebody from a few weeks ago? No. When it was like for me. I believe you. And that's what they said. Yeah. And whenever people see me, they think I'm very young. Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah. I do have a youth. Your fair skin, your light hair. Definitely people think. I'm always older than you. People think I'm younger than I am. You're also out and not here, of course, but out in the world. You're kind of not shy, but quiet her. So that also, like people thinking, she's shy. She's young. Just like a little girl. You're giving little girl. 100%. Little girl. Accidental nature arc. But the show is going to be great in terms of reality TV. Yeah. And I'm imagining there's a big twist because so there's- Yes, there has to be. Like this guy has to be literally 22 years old. But I'm glad that that's like the main mom. You know who they would have cast back in the day? Like Taylor Hicks. Remember the guy who won American Idol who was like 22 and had a full head of gray hair? Yeah. People like that. And I'm sure the casting team, like this was an important show in terms of casting. Yeah. I think they probably spent a long time like looking for certain people. Yeah. For old people who look younger and young people who look older, so everyone thinks they're similar in age, but then they're not. Yeah. I think that it's like a good premise though, because I think if you can relate on like things and then you find out each other's age, well, it's like we already related. Age isn't as big of a thing as looks. Unless. Right. Oh, it's pretty big. Really? Sometimes like you really like someone, but like. They're ages just like well, unless it's about like then kids and stuff like it's adapters. Yes. A younger person wants to be. You don't want to marry someone who's already been married like. But that's something I would come up in the conversations of falling in love like your history and so. Yeah. You know, we just like the lifestyle of wanting kids if you're with an older woman. And that's just not going to be a possibility. Actually, watch a clip of this. It's like a patriarchy. Okay. Okay, but the patriarchy is not like God's fault. Like the way it's biology. Yeah. It's not really. They didn't make it this way. Yeah. And it's like not the patriarchy's fault. Not to defend the patriarchy. And maybe like the patriarchy is a function of the biology and biological fact that we're based on science. Women have a hard stuff. Yeah. Well, Claire Daines actually I saw a clip of her on Good Hang with Amy Polar. I'm talking about something so interesting that she got pregnant at 44 and she was like, I had no I she. Her kids were like 12 years old already. She had to do multiple rounds of IVF for her most recent pregnancy and she was 44. She was like, she had no idea that she could get pregnant. She was freaking out when she got pregnant. I was saying, you know, she was doing IVF. No. So like with her previous pregnancies, she had to do IVF. Oh. So she was like, there's no way I'm 44. I had the hardest time. And then she got pregnant. Just a crazy story. Look at that. Woman. Women. Matrix arc. Infinite possibilities. It's true. Are you ready for our fourth story, which is going to be Trader's recap? No. Is it our fourth story that's going to be Trader's recap that's brought to you by Weight Watchers? Yes. Yes it is. We have all been guilty of joining the new year new me train. If you are ready for a totally new way to start a sustainable journey to managing and tracking your weight health, you will be blown away by what Weight Watchers have to offer. This is not your grandma's Weight Watchers, but it also still is because there's something timeless about Weight Watchers. 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Spoilers. Break down in tears on the Traders over her difficult exit from Real House of Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a weird line. That was very weird exit. But I feel like up until recently, I've been watching the episodes and then going on social media. And I pretty much agree with everyone. Like I thought everyone was going to be like hating on Michael for what he said to Colton. But no, like Michael was valid and everything he said and honestly just as for Michael. So so far, Mike takes with everyone had been pretty on par with the fans. But I'm really shocked at how many people are like mad at Rob for last night. I'm mad at Rob. I'm not. I am because. I'm sorry, Lisa. It was like a liability. Well, Lisa wasn't a great trader. And I have to imagine it was even worse in person. Like she really was awful. But he never said that. He never said she's a bad trader. She's a liability. That's why I, if she needs to go because she's like giving up the secret. He like sort of exacerbated sort of a seed that Colton had planted and let it grow. Like he didn't back his fellow trader. And I guess eventually the traders do turn on each other because you want to win. You want to win with at least the least amount of people as possible. Right. But unless traders there are the more the chance the faithfuls have. But also a really kind of effective way to keep the smoke off of you is to lead a charge against a fellow trader. So like it sucks. But like look, Candice was being so obviously team Lisa and the second around table ended. Everyone started saying Candice's name for the first time ever. No, but Rob said it. No, someone else said it. Robyn Colton. Someone else said it and Colton, I mean, and Rob like substantiated it. But he did not say it. But he could have easily said at Housewife Woodenville for Housewife. That's literally why Colton went for Lisa because she voted for Portia. It was very smart of Candice to vote for Rob because she was kind of in a bad spot. And she could have just done like a throw away. But if Candice does get sat down out as a trader, they'll be like, well, who was Candice targeting? And so why would she think she was targeting a fellow trader? Oh, true. I actually don't think it was smart that Candice voted for Rob because now Rob knows that it's war. Whereas he could have, and now when she goes, like she has to like whip up Johnny and everyone to be against Rob, whereas she could have been doing that in secret and Rob would have no idea. Do you feel like the show is becoming a little unfair gender wise? Like the five, the six people who won the challenge, it was five men. Oh, yes. And Natalie, like, who's like a very fit survivor. She's a survivor. So like, I thought I feel like the women didn't have a chance to get the dagger or the shield. The challenges should be like a little bit more intellectual. Like a combination of both physical and Donna Kelsey never stood a chance, right? She couldn't have done less science challenge. Like I do think they need to become like a little bit more like sort of like an escape room. Yeah. Dorenda would be good at that. Like I think it's becoming a little bit unfair. And that was such a physical challenge. Like of course you have a former NFL player. It was Stephen Coletti, like all the guys. And then they have this like boys club with Natalie, where they're like, you know, sharing secrets. I don't know. It's becoming a little unfair. Like I think that they should spice it up a little bit where it's like maybe a puzzle. I agree with you. And on the one hand, it's like, oh, maybe this is like a special forces type where it's like, you don't come on the show if you're not. It's not. It's like it's a personality game. It is a mind game. So I agree that that's not fair. And I felt the same way. And I also feel like it's unfair. They have this like boys group going where like Mark and not Stephen Steven has a mind of his own. It does. Mark is a follower. Mark is such a follower. You know what? You know what? Johnny Weir is kind of a free thinker. He just has bad thoughts. But I don't consider him in that group. No, but everyone who said that they were going for Natalie, literally not one of them voted for Natalie. Because Rena didn't do a good job at the round. We need to talk about Rena because I actually was sad to see her go. I was sad to see her voted out. And I didn't expect that because that's the point of the game to get the traders. And she wasn't even being a good trader. But to go out like that was just sad. She's like, so she comes in like so hot she talks such a big game. Oh, she did that after people were on to her. Like she flipped the switch so obviously, like Colton pointed out that she was being quiet to ever. So she started being loud. That's like the most obvious thing. She should have stayed in her, like it could not be more obvious. Oh, I mean, need to talk about jam jam. Wait, but I just was going to say that she talks like such an amuletie, so fucking Rena, like I'll be the best trader because I'm an actress in this. And I'm a housewife. And if you don't survive, housewives in Kansas, right at the round table, She literally dug her own grave at the roundtable by giving nothing. People were prepared to vote for Natalie. Yes. And she did not defend herself in any sort of- And she would be so obvious coming from Natalie. She was coming from Natalie. Like, I'm only coming for you because you're coming for me. It was so like- No, and she actually had something good to go on. Yeah. Which is that Natalie slipped up. Tara heard it. Like, that's something tangible. And she was not compelling at all. And it's just a case of who can speak better. And like, you are a housewife and you're one of the most iconic ones. And you were taken down by Colton and Natalie and Rob. To be fair, like, I do not blame Rob for not backing Lisa. Like, I do believe she was a liability. It's not that he didn't back her. And he could have done it in a- Like, he could have went harder. He could have used his double dagger. Like- No. But like, Colton had an idea of something. And Rob really like confirmed it. And the two of them went hard and towards the end. Rob, everyone at the table respects Rob. He could have said less. And he went hard for Lisa. It's not that he didn't back her. It's that he went for her. I actually just don't blame him. Like, last week- Kind of needed her out. Last week when he voted for her, I completely understood it. Yeah. No choice. And it looks better for the traders if he votes for her and it confuses everyone. This week, he gunned for her. She might have actually not been sent home if not for him. He is the most popular person in the house. More so than Colton, he's doing Colton's bidding. I am so excited for Colton to realize that he's been like- Yes, I'm holding things. He's like, I got a house. I first of all, Rob did. And he thinks he's like so. No, but no, no, no. No one's getting played like a little more. That was Colton. He figured it out first, but she only went home because of Rob. Yes. Like he said, it's the most popular guy in the house. When he finds out- That he thinks he's running this and he's the biggest loser here. I can't wait. I can't wait for that to happen. Like the person that he confides in the most is the trader. So- And they will have to turn on each other. Oh, and the funny thing is that people now think like what Rob is doing, Colton is actually doing. Like they think Colton is maybe a trader who turned on Lisa and they were like going at it for a while. And that was like, it's actually a good theory that's for someone to think. And it's hilarious because it's what Colton's best friend. Yeah. So let's talk about Jam Jam and the the air kiss. Yeah. First of all, the Jurama. He's getting pulled away like he's in a psych ward. Like it plays out. It plays out. I just want to say, you can really tell that like the experiment has gone to these people. The fact that Natalie was- She was like, I was scared for my life. I was scared. Oh my god, Natalie was being crazy. Like, oh my god. You're just going to be taking off the reality show. And back to your family. Like you're fine. He was being nutty. They were really acting like they're going to die. Yeah, yeah. It must be. And I've heard now, you told me that like before the round table, it's two minutes of silence. They play spooky music. It's definitely more than I thought it was. I thought it was just like reality stars like getting together. No, they do it like- It's an immersive Mafa. It's an immersive experience. Yeah, where they actually think they're going to die. Yeah. If they don't get the antidote. So when Jam Jam was being like taken away by the guards and like, he's like, he's like, oh my god. I mean, Ben could not stop laughing like the level of drama. And it's interesting that like he was right at Isley so but they were completely wrong about how the murder and plain sight happened. Yes. And I just want to say I don't think it's fair that he was taken away like that and that he got to speak and say who killed him. Like, it's not that like to the rules of the game. Yeah, but the thing is is that it's the same way like at a round table. Because the thing is he was wrong. It was Lee say yes, but not in the way that he thought it was. So it's completely fair to like, I actually don't, I don't agree. But what if he was right and like, he figured it out. Like, I don't agree. I think it's fine that he was able to add it such a fucking funny level of drama. Well, it was funny, but it's like, usually the dead can speak. You kill someone successfully. They wouldn't be able to speak. Come back from the dead and tell you who did it. I guess like maybe, but I'm not mad about it. I don't know. I like felt defensive of Lisa. I felt like it just didn't go. Well, I wanted her to do better. I thought the show was like, I was thinking of what the thing is, you were loving her as a traitor. You thought she was like, so like, you having your renaissance. I didn't even feel that way. But just the way she went out just felt like wrong to me. I can't explain it. I didn't feel like good. Like we got our, I wasn't prideful either. I didn't like you got yourself a traitor. Yeah, the thing I was having a renaissance. And honestly, it was Colton who pointed out like, what I liked about Lisa was that she wasn't being Lisa. Like that isn't who she is. So she wasn't being a good traitor. I do think Candace is being an amazing traitor. And I had very low expectations of her. It's tough to be a traitor and a housewife with another traitor. So like, yes, you could say that she only didn't vote for Lisa because she is also a housewife. And she has maintained that she didn't vote for Portia, thank God. But it's starting to get a little suspicious. Like now her name's being thrown around. Everyone's names. I cannot be. And Tara's names haven't been thrown around. If your name's not being thrown around, you're not in the game. Yeah, John and Tara. Mark. Maybe their alliance will, yeah, Mark. Mark is a disappointment. Although I didn't necessarily agree with Lisa's choice to kill Jam Jam. It felt really random. Yeah. And yes, he's, I didn't think he was, she should have killed one of Colton's cronies to take away votes from the Colton block. Yes, without directly going for Colton. Like a Durenda or like a mark. Mark does what Colton says. Yeah. And if he thinks he's singing for himself. Yeah, yeah. He needs, they need to take away from that just like boy coalition. Yes. And then he's really strong between Rob and Colton and we have Mark. They're turning on Steven, obviously a mistake. Steven's just like guilty of being a good guy. Yeah, like really sweet. Like I actually really like him. Yeah. I think that, I don't know, I'm not mad at Rob. Because like I felt it like Lisa, every time Lisa was accused, she could not have handled it where she started like giggling. Like why don't you just tell him when you're a traitor or like go about. And at some point, yes, it's like traitor strong, but you got to look out for number one. And I feel like she was increasingly becoming a liability and the only way for him to like successfully navigate it. He doesn't have the housewife thing like that he can say it in vote for Lisa because he could vote for Lisa. I have no problem with him voting for Lisa. Last week, this week, at a certain point in the episode, he led the charge. Yeah. And at like a underhanded kind of way. Yeah. And that to me, that's like, that's beyond like being a traitor because that your loyalty is to the traitors. I guess up into a point, but I just felt like we weren't at that point. At that point, yeah. No, he definitely escalated it. It felt like really premature to like, yes, because that's the traitors. There's war and there's still like 10 people left. Like I don't think I agree. Yeah, and they're like not going to win then. They're not going to figure it out either. Like they were far from figuring it out. This does make it messier. Yeah. But it also makes it really hard to hunt traitors if the traitors are fighting with the traitors. So it is also a good. Yeah, because you could argue anything. Oh, they voted for them because they know they're a traitor that owns a fellow traitor or they're a traitor who wants to go a faithful. Yeah. So you have to just be the most compelling arguer. Yes, that's what it is. And Lisa was really not like she was bad. I feel like she's so, you know, like I feel like for a lot of the housewives, except for Candace, because Candace is able to like, you know, hang with the people. She's so girls. She's one of them friends with everyone. The Lisa is like an entity. Yeah. And it's like she's not going to ever be everyone's best friend because she's just like iconic and not interested. She's not going to be like a load, like a down low hang chill in kind of girl. Like robbing the guys and Candace and the girls. So like, she was in a sort of a tough spot. Even if she was like, like, Donna Kelsey. Even if she was a faithful, I don't know how she would have acted. Actually, I think she would have been very housewife. Like, because it's easy to be a faithful. You don't have this chip on your shoulder. Like, so I think she would have been a more housewives coded version of herself. Yeah. I think that's Rob saying maybe it's a turretful of housewives. That was brilliant. Yeah. Hopefully they go for a Durenda. Durenda next. Oh, and then get it wrong. No, it's socks for salt. Durenda voting for Mora and spelling her name Mi'ira. Like, she's well done. I think M-O-R-A. There was an E in there. M-O-E-R-A. Funny how they spell each other's names. hilarious. Mora's like giving nothing. And I actually appreciated Durenda being like, you just come here and you're like, are such a follower and you like say nothing, you do nothing. Yeah, Mora's not a trader, but she sucks. Like, sorry, I liked that Durenda came for her. I agree. And she's just another one in the Colton Rob voting block. She's like a mark. And all she has going for at this point is her potential of falling in love with Rob. And then Rob having to turn on his lady love and his best friend. I can't fucking wait. Yeah. So also that rumor that we heard that Rob and Candace aren't speaking. Like, it does seem like they, yeah, they don't come back together. So when they get in the turret, I was really curious to see them talking. That's where they cut off the episode, but that will be weird. Yeah. And it's like Rob is playing a really good game. He's a really good trader and he's turning on everyone. But it's at a point giving psychopath. Yeah. It seems like Lisa Rina did not watch one episode of this show before coming on. And Rob maybe watched every single one of them a little too closely. Like he came in, he is so smart about this one thing. Yeah. It's weird. And that he was able to guess who had the dagger. Oh my God. That was insane. Okay. So I was like following his line of thinking and I was like, well, it's obviously Steven. Because Steven picked up the plank and then like shook his head. No. And it's like, okay, well, only a liar would do that. Like it was such a weird. Steven is an honest man. It's true actually. That was sociopathic. I'm telling you. And so yes, he's playing a good game, but like, at what cost? Yeah. Like, great. And the best liar. So the thing is, it's also really interesting, like the varying levels of fame of all these people because the pot, I think last season was like around $250,000 is where they ended up. And like for someone like Tiffany, she was saying, like, I'm a single mom, like, she won one show once. Like, she's not a celebrity. The money actually means more to people than others. And I think like Lisa Renev, it was $250,000 and she split it with everyone like, great, but like, whatever. But I think for someone like Rob, who like, his time is a little bit past in terms of celebrity. He definitely still makes like a nice living, but he lives on his farm and he's not like, you know, out here being a celebrity. Even though now he's so huge or something. It's not like commercial, did you say that? Yeah. I was going to say, I don't think Rob falls into that category. He was on Love Island. The most popular season two years ago. Yeah. I think he gets brand deals up the wazoo and lives a quiet life. Well, he does live a quiet life. So I don't think he needs that much. She's Instagram. But I think like he's an Instagram thought. But I think the money, like, it's not really a level playing field for everyone. Like I would think Colton needs the money more than Rob. I don't know. I keep every time I open my TikTok, there's a first ad for Nanit from Colton Underwood. What? It's insane. Okay. Rob has 1.6 million followers. And they're fresh. Yeah. And also I'm going to go down to like before traders. So this is November. Okay. Wait, 2024. Yeah, that's before. Oh, he doesn't post. He never posts. And he has 1.6 million followers. Oh, Celcius partner in October. Oh my God, everything is an ad. Arbys. Arbys. Yeah. T-Mobile. Every single post is an ad. Real Zack's Bees. I know that. Hey, dude. I'm at every single, I'm not even scrolling. Chili's. Skinny dipped. At what? Organic post. Organic post. Organic post. Okay. At 1.6 million followers. Real Zack's Bees again. T-Mobile. I'm not skipping. Me undies. I'm not skipping. Tick-tack. I'm not skipping. Organic post. Revolve. Organic post. Poppy. Revolve. Organic post. Tinder. Well, so many ads. Now you're right. So I still, he doesn't fall into the category. No. He's so cute, by the way. I just like, I love him. Yeah. No, he's really cute and I like him. But I didn't like it. I can't, I just run me the heart. I didn't hate it. It's a, at some point, like it's, Oh, and I just want to say the whole episode was so overhyped, like the banquet, not only saying this, but you hear banquet, what? I thought it was, like, I thought Allen was being real with us, I thought last week was better, I thought the Michael Colton episode was better. Last week was better, I thought the Michael Colton episode was better. No, but the pulling gem, Gemmaway, I was cracking up. I get what, that was completely overhyped. Yeah. Fifth and final. Fifth and final was Tell Me Lies recap. Okay. So much TV was watched last night. I think I got such a good episode. First of all, they didn't do any wedding flashbacks. It was just an episode about people in college. And I was enjoying it. Yeah. I loved the rigly, ah, brieist. She did a very good actress. It was so pathetic. A whole mom thing. And I didn't know where it was going. Yeah. Yeah. But the drinking was like, is this bad? No, it was definitely like imperfect, you know? And maybe she's setting herself up for disappointment, but it was more so about the rigly being there for her. Now I need to go back and watch the wedding, like is her mom there? Oh, I don't know. I love rigly. Like I just couldn't love him anymore. And like, when are him and Pippa going to break up? Right. And he did so right by Pippa. He didn't kiss. No, and Pippa wouldn't give a fuck. No, I know, but like as far as he knows. No, he's not been a bad guy. He's been very loyal. He comes in Pippa, but he's kisses her. And Pippa can't dump him because like he's going through a lot. The criss thing at that pool party, like gave me a chill down my side. Yeah, I was like, who the fuck is that? No, and he's like, why are you saying that rigged you? Like, it's a valid question, except the fact that we know that he does this. Right. He also, like, so yes, he didn't do that, but he doesn't recognize that he does that to other people. Yeah, which is crazy. Yeah. And like, Pippa gives me a pit. Like the whole show is so pit. They should call it, tell me pit. Give me pit. It is so pit-and-due thing. Yeah. What else happened in the episode? It was part of the queen. I'm disappointed in her because like she's putting a target on her back. Yeah. Steven sent those photos. I can't imagine that a law school is going to get someone's nude photos from their ex-boyfriend and then kick them out of school for what? I don't know. You have to remember, it's like 2000 and something. Like, things like that did happen. No, but like, it's not 1950. Like, no, I know. And, but what would be her crime unless he sent it from her email where it's like, hey, guys. I mean, and then she says, hey, that wasn't me and they'd be like, clearly, because only a crazy person would do that. I don't know. I don't know what the angle is. Is it just that like if you're a lawyer, you can't have nude photos like who did he send to? I would assume like, admissions. I would assume a mission's everywhere except Yale so that she has to go there. He is just the devil. Yeah. And do we assume she went through with the procedure? Yes. Okay. She was cramping. Oh, yeah, but she just said nobody was like the proceed the reason plot wise for the pregnancy was for her to get back into a bit again. Yeah. And make them entangled once more. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I saw people say it was like a bad episode. It not a lot happened, but I enjoyed it. Yeah. It's a great show. Oh, Lucy, like, tried to, you know, have sex just the regular way and it's clearly not enough for her. So yes, things are escalating and you are 100% right. She's engaging in harmful behavior and it's not enough. So she's then, you know, you know, harming herself verbally and it's just a matter of time before she harms herself physically. Yeah, but especially because that guy now looks at her differently because he thinks that she has trauma and that's why she's doing all this. Right. And he was like, oh, I thought we were just having fun, but like this is giving dark. Yeah. And he won't do it anymore. Yeah, she turned out to be a sweetie. So it turns out like that'll be the last we see of him because she's not going back. Yeah. And so now she's engaging in like, you know, dark behavior. Yeah. Which is not good. And self-harm. And it seems like in, you know, the future at the wedding, like she's still not healed. No. And that's, that's upsetting. Yeah. She's like the same at the wedding. Yeah. And that's tough to see. I can't believe last season she had sex with Steven at the wedding. Yeah. And Steven's the same too. He's still like, you know, he was looking through Riggley's phone and maybe they are perfect for each other. I wonder why Riggley and Bri don't end up together. Like, yes, it's complicated in college, you know, I'm sure Pippa and, Pippa and him break up. So at some point, yeah. And Pippa knows that he loves Bri. Oh, does he? Yeah. She said like when they were dancing on the dance or Pippa and Riggley and they were like talking openly about it. So it must be that Bri, I mean, I think when Bri, you know, Bri's childhood being like sort of traumatic, there's a lot of stability with Evan. He really loves her. He's very financially stable. And I think when you grow up like foster home to foster home, like you crave that. So yes, love wins, but not all the time. Sometimes stability wins. Yeah. Something obviously happens between the two of them where she feels like she has to make that choice. I like Evan. Also, Steven brought, I love Evan. Oh, I fucking hate Molly. I know. And it's like that exchange was really sad. But you know what? Like valid on Evan's part. Like I said a hundred times. Yeah. That this is just casual sex, which is awful, but she agreed to it. Right. And when they were playing pool and Bri, he was like, well, did you go sure? Did you tell her that it's over? And he was like, I never told her that it started. Like, I know Riggley's like, you know, the feminist voice. Yeah, he is. I'm not the man, but I don't think Evan, and I imagine that they have such a shitty feeling for Molly, but like he said what he said. You know, when people tell you who they are believes, yeah, he's been harsh, but honest. Yeah. Yeah. And when he said to Bri, like I would stop talking here in one second. So tell me to. I need Evan to get on Riggley's level when it comes to Steven. Why does Steven have this hole? He gets to walk through his apartment and leave the dishes and he paid for the sister's pool. And he does have a lot of things to do with Lucy. But now they're even. Right. So like he needs to stop hanging out. They're the other friends. It's the last semester of senior year. These are your friends. What are you going to get with these new friends? Yeah. But now. Yeah. And he also, I think Steven does roll off his shoulder a little bit now too. Like he knows that he doesn't have the power over him. He doesn't like he's not beholden to Steven. Yeah. But Bri's starting to put pieces together about Lucy and Evan. Yeah. Well, she already knows because at the wedding she got the voicemail. Yeah. She seemed her but not surprised. Yeah. And at some point, like, you just got a lot to go. Yeah. Like it's fine. Yeah. And it's like she likes Evan, but she doesn't like love him. Right. So it's not going to be like heartbroken. This is sort of a marriage of convenience at this point. Yeah. He really wants to be with Bri. So you know what? Be with Bri. Yeah. Let's have a D'Aquini and Wiener, final segment of the week. We're Jack and I deliver two awards. Queenie of the Week and Wiener of the Week. It comes as no surprise. Let's just say together who our Queenie is on the count of three. One, two, three. Queen Corgi. And do we have the same Wiener? Who's your Wiener? Pugcaso. For me being me. Like, I couldn't say it then. I have to say now. Pugcaso. I said to Ben, I'm like, I have to think of my Queenie and Wiener. I'm like, this morning, I was like, I'm thinking of doing Pugcaso when he goes. Who's Pugcaso? Like, excuse me. I said, are you fucking serious? And he was like, oh, yeah, I know, I know. No, I actually, I like Pugcaso. My Wiener would be the audience members who voted for Pugcaso. Them too. Over Queenie. Anything wrong, he was being himself. He was singing his best with his fantastic costume. But the audience members who didn't see True Talent. And I feel like that win for you. Like, you needed that win. Yeah. Mentally and emotionally. And they didn't get it. They hurt you. Yeah. So I blame them. Yeah, everything. Actually, I have a really funny story about me losing. I'll share it on the patriotic soul. Okay, we're about to record. That's it. Great segue for us. Like, sit right here and continue our conversation. Yes. Okay, you guys. Thank you so much for listening to The Toss of the Line. I'm running sure we delivered the fast-paced stories. YouTube's rewatching is on YouTube. Please subscribe and visit them. So I'll see you in the next part. I'll see you in the next one. I guess we'll see you in the next one. Love you. Love you.