The Kia Soul is Dead. Cost to Insure My Cars? Jaguar Land Rover is Back!

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I am Kenan. I'm Nick. Nick is filling in today. Filippo is gone. He's in Atlanta. Yes. Kenan is going to be there soon at the Road Atlanta Track Day at the Petit Le Mans. Yes, for Petit Le Mans for IMSA. Very exciting. Filippo's already there because he's filming some video with an Aston Martin. You'll find out all. We have to start with the news. Nobody knows why, but yes, to the news. Ah, Kia. Kia. Folks, the Kia Soul is being canceled. You know, there was a time not long ago where this was the most popular car in Kia's lineup. Totally. I mean, this ad in particular, when they did the nice dancing thing. It was hot when the ad first came out and all that. But I think like the beginning, like late first gen, beginning, second gen, maybe 10 years ago, it was truly the most popular car in Kia's lineup. And now it's dead. And now it's dead. Small cars are hard to make money selling. The market has moved on. People want SUVs. I also wonder if Kia has kind of made the decision like they're going to start stepping up into like the telluride has become so popular, like they're going to start trying to stepping up into like more, you know, they can make more profit, like a more legitimate kind of stuff as opposed to being associated with like tiny cars, which was all we know about Kia for so long. Oh, for decades. Yeah. It seems like the opposite of a halo car where it anchors people to a, oh, they make crappy cars like the soul. They make little right like the soul. That's right. So it's been a long time. You thought of Kia and honestly, this is like one of the main things you thought of. Think of hamsters and a Hain people mover. You don't like how it looks. Funny enough, when people come to me about my multiple that I just got, I equated to the Kia Soul because it came in that same green. It's ugly as heck, but it is super practical. Oh, I said heck. The Kia Soul fits all of this criteria as like the modern Korean version of the multiple. Yeah. I mean, it's not anywhere near as weird looking as the multiple. I don't know. Not good looking. I don't think generally the public doesn't consist to be one of the most ugly cars. No, I think the multiple gets mentioned twice. In part because the soul became so mainstream that like we just sort of, we just sort of, you know, accepted it. We got to know it. Yeah. Well, they took inspiration from a hamster, not a platypus, good design choice, but you don't like how the Kia Soul looks really. I mean, I wouldn't be driving it. Yeah. But that's because you wouldn't be driving any compact car. Like driving one right now. If you were going into the dealership to buy a new compact car, you could do a lot worse than a Kia Soul. The Cube was worse. You could end up in a 2013 Ford Focus. Nick's got a Ford Focus. Cut a little deep. Maybe that's why he got an entire Soul. There's like a pro competitiveness here. I'm soulless, you might say. Give us the next new story, please. Kia Soul's gone. Hyundai, other news story, we didn't cover this when it was announced, which was three weeks ago, but Hyundai kind of slipped into like a quarterly news update that they are developing a body on frame pickup truck. Wow. There's no pictures. There's no anything. All they have said is they are developing an in-house. So this isn't going to be like a shared with Toyota, whatever, in-house body on frame pickup truck, mid-sized pickup truck in the US market, and it will come by the end of the decade. Wow. Yeah. Well, that's a big deal. I think someone there is listening to your, as you've been standing on your soapbox for while saying that more manufacturers need to be making that because that's what people want. It's interesting because I have a suspicion an SUV will also accompany it. It seems like that makes the most sense. Ford doesn't do that, but Toyota does it to great success. And of course, Nissan did for years with the exterior in the front here. And I wonder, does Hyundai, like Honda's sitting here and going, I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Do you think what I don't know? And Hyundai is like, we're going to do it. We're just going to do it. Do you think this, are they thinking of the US market in particular? Like there's a Toyota Hilux and a lot of Asia Pacific body on frame trucks. Hyundai sells, or Kia sells that Tasman thing overseas, but I think it's Unibody. It sounds like they are developing this. All they said was it's going to be in the US market, but they didn't say that it's not going to be global. For all we know, like other vehicles, it could be. Like the Ranger is global. It would seem silly not to come up with a global concept. It just will people in America that like love the F-150 and Silverado and Ram do a Hyundai pickup? Well, it's going to be a midsize. So it'll be a competitor for the Tacoma. And I think that in the midsize segment, people are a lot more willing to allow imports because I mean, they already have the Tacoma's outsells all the other ones. Do you ever see people in Toyota pickups and think, huh, why don't they like America? No, because that's what I do. I do. Well, actually that picks a built Mexico. Because that pickup is built in a North American country. No, I don't think that I think that those people. Let's do a Toyota man. My truck was built in the US. I want to be clear about this. My Toyota truck, the Camo Flash Fenders. Give that away. My Toyota truck was built. You know what? I had a buddy today. Send me a picture. We'll get it posted here of a Sequoia TRD Pro where they had swapped out the Fenders camo for white Fenders from a regular Sequoia. And you know what? It looks worse. No. I prefer the Camo Fenders. No way. It looks different and you're just that initial feeling is a little twist. I'm going to show you and you tell me what you think. But this does not look like an off road, like a meaty off road vehicle. He doesn't like paint match Fenders. Remember the Cayenne he thinks it looks like a diaper? Oh, and he likes the WRX. He can't handle gloss on fender flares. Well, I think an off road vehicle should have plastic flared Fenders. Yes. Like my E450 all terrain. You want the XRT look. You're still on that platypus thing. Like you want to have that. I do. I do. I want to show off. I want to show off a little. And I think that this looks like a Lexus TX. It looks like it looks like a Sequoia TRD Pro that's asking for permission. Oh, can I be a Sequoia TRD Pro please? It does neuter it a little bit. But I think the hierarchy goes carbon fiber fender flares like the four by four squared then paint matched and then Camo and then plastic actually. That's the hierarchy. Carbon fiber is number one. You didn't ask for it. That's a serious off roader. So, hopefully Hyundai will offer carbon fiber fender flares on their midsize truck or body on frame at the very least Camo. It's interesting also to develop a body on frame truck in this day and age. Like we're moving to electric vehicles. We're moving to these kind of pod cars that sort of all look the same. And you know, the designs are getting the interiors are getting pulled out. There's like oval shapes. They're developing what's probably going to be a muscular body on frame like go do it pickup truck. And that's pretty cool. That is pretty cool. They believe that this that market will be around long enough to justify the development of such a vehicle. I mean, I hope it doesn't look like the Santa Fe. Santa Cruz is what you're thinking of the pickup truck. I, it'll be curious. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Like will they keep the Santa Cruz a car based truck in addition to a body on frame? I imagine not. I imagine Santa Cruz is a one and done generation. Why didn't they name that the Baja? I guess they couldn't. I guess they super would get upset about that. But I think I imagine if Hyundai is doing this, I imagine there will also be a Kia version and perhaps it will have hamsters. Also, one other interesting thing about the thing, the body on frame truck thing is that there's no real powertrain that seems like it would work. I'm very curious. It'd be very interesting to see what happens in the next few years. A body on frame Hyundai truck. Take that Honda. We're not really sure. I don't know. Do we do it? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? Do we? So, they had a record profit in Q3. So, the sky was falling. They had a rough first half of the year. Because the subsidies were ending, I think they were able to pump a lot of sales. But still, for someone that was in the news for so long for not doing well, a record Q3 is great if you want to stop. It is important, though, really important to highlight. The subsidies ended the day that Q4 started. So, a ton of people pulled forward their vehicle purchases or leases into Q3. EVs had declining sales in Q1 and Q2 and actually a significant increase in Q3 due to the subsidies. I bet you Q4 rain is good. That being said, we lose that price discount, basically. However, they're rolling out new base models that will be cheaper. They're removing some features, et cetera, et cetera. But those cheap Teslas that have been promised for so long are finally going to become a thing. Likewise, they're continuing to refresh these models. It does feel like it just felt so dark for Tesla for so long. I think they could get a good Q4 out of having a problem. Maybe, especially if they really do have these entry-level cars, I think what a lot of people are looking for in this car is an affordable thing, like an affordable commuter. Almost everyone I know with a Tesla has a fun car, but wanted something they could commute in and just not care about. Coming out with a base model, now, one of the things I read is that the base model, some of the things will actually, they won't include some of the self-driving type stuff, which will be interesting. I think that's a big component of why people are interested in these cars. But it sounds like it hasn't been perfectly explained yet, and I'm curious to see where it actually all ends up. If you could add it later, like as a software update, then it's people like me that only pay attention on the purchase price. They'll be like, okay, I got it cheap, but then my next bonus or commission check, I'll upgrade it. His next commission check. This is how America thinks. Nick's talking like a Tesla owner. Yep. When she's such a deep sales guy, it really fits. But good Q3 forum, and obviously that was due to the subject. I am incredibly curious, and I think it will be incredibly interesting to see what happens to the electric car market this quarter. I have a suspicion the bottom is going to absolutely fall out, except for the really high-end stuff where people probably weren't relying that much on the tax credit anyway. For instance, I bet Pininfarina Batista sales will be fairly similar in Q4. Right, go from zero to zero. That's correct. Yes, yes. Mirror the as-park aisle sales numbers. All right. Give us what's next. Yes, sticking with factories. We've talked about Jaguar Land Rover for a while. Their factory was shut down due to a cyber attack. Well, they've opened back up again. We're filling this on Wednesday. They're starting production again today. It's starting a little bit smaller. They're beginning with just the engine assembly plant and the battery assembly plants. It was announced by Jaguar that by the end of the week, or end of next week, they will be back to operational status. Did they pay a ransom? I didn't say if they paid a ransom or not. Probably wouldn't want to announce. The problem was dissolved. It went away as things go away. They gave the hackers a couple of new full sizes. In Russia, that's given them a million bucks. It all worked. They got to mark off two assaults. In the end, it actually worked for everybody. This makes you really think that your car isn't all that special. Sitting on the frame rails, wheels not on it. They just build. They're like, this isn't. What do you get? Then they put on the style to make you think it's cool. I think Porsche people in particular should go to the factory and see how the cars are assembled and are moved around. When I was there, I watched just a new GT2 RS, or a new GT3 RS rather, just on a trailer, just in the rain, just being pulled around. That car will never rain again. I remember, I'll never forget this. One time, there was a significant snowstorm in the north of Germany, which is where the cars leave from. They leave from the port of Emden. There's significant snowstorm. Someone at the port, I worked with someone who was at the port there, and they sent me a picture of all these Porsches completely covered in snow. Just covered. I mean, it was like bad. The trains were covered in snow that brought the cars from the factory to the port. I was thinking to myself, someone on Rennlist is going to advertise one of these cars in 20 years, never been wet, only ever used waterless, never ever been wet. Meanwhile. It actually sat under a foot and a half of snow when it was just a unit at the port. Nobody cared. That's exactly right. It kind of takes the romance off. Not that Jaguar Land Rover is getting back into production. What could we have possibly done without new discoveries? Right. That's, sure. They did also announce though that in the sales up until that point, until September 30th, they noted from last year, we're down 24.2% compared to the year prior. They're trying to blame some of this on the shutdown, but I don't think that was necessarily what caused it, although it was certainly. It's hard to know because Jaguar Land Rover is in this weird situation where their production is strange. Jaguar is not producing any cars. So that probably has some component of the sales decline. But Land Rover is also like a little weirdly production constrained. Like Range Rovers are still on waiting lists. Maybe new defenders are to an extent. I don't know. I wonder if Defender still is. Probably not, but it's still a hot car, even at five years later. I think they have a nice lineup right now, or at least a reasonably good lineup. You want to discover a sport? I want a Defender. You want to do you? Yeah. Really? Really? Why? I think it's a little bit of a three row SUVs. It's still even with the diaper on the back that makes it a little ungodly. The regular 110 offers a third row. Yeah. Which would probably be fine. You drove mine, didn't you? No. I drove that. It was fine. You know what it was really good at was being off road. Looking back on it, it was a beast off road. Both on the sand and we took it to the desert here a couple of times, like rock crawling. It was quite impressive. And I truly think it still looks nice. It's aged well. It doesn't look like a five year old vehicle. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. That came out five and a half years ago. In fact, I bought mine almost five years ago to the week when this podcast airs. I have the giant Lego set in my office. I look at it every day. I bought mine the day that Joe Biden was elected the US president. Wow. Wow. Because of that? I was like, Biden's here. Time for it. No, I ordered it months before. It just happened to come. I remember you texting the group throughout and speccing it out and being like, oh, I can't get the steelies unless I get the different engine. Which one do I pick? And we all wait and I came the same week as the RS2 and they left like, like, yeah, you lost interest in both of them pretty much at the same time. It was really cool and we're disappointing to what you expected. Yeah, I did drive the Defender across country like three times. I mean, I drove sold mine with like 50 some thousand miles. I really used it. Yeah, I love solving problems, whether it's fixing the Coontush with Doug and a couple of cold ones or solving the latest squeak in my E39. Nothing is more satisfying than fixing something. That's exactly why I have been using Claude for a recent complex project that Filippo have me work on. I needed to connect insights across a ton of sources. Naturally, that would take hours, but Claude found connections across 50 plus sources that I wouldn't have spotted myself. 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This is new. Lambo concept. Lambo always has the coolest concepts, often which like the Sesto Elemento and all those cars come new production in some shape or format. I think this is a tease at a limited production, Revolto in the future or something. Is this a renderer? It's a concept car. It's a renderer right now called the Manifesto. But how freaking cool if they build anything even remotely resembling this in real life. To me, it just looks like a shape. It looks like a shape, but that's what's cool about it. Does it really have a, I mean, it has no doors. I think it looks cool. I think about the Cicciardo Concept S. There was an event to door that had no windshield and let's split down the middle. This is something they absolutely could and should build. I think it looks cool. It's really cool. I mean, I don't know if they really could build it. Yeah. It'll be tweaked a little bit. For instance, it doesn't have doors. I think that one of the tweaks they'll have to make is they will probably have to add doors. Perhaps the glass just opens up and you get it. That famously is a very good production car entry and exit component. A lift off canopy. You get a rock chip in the windshield. Oh, I'm sorry. $69,000 for a new lift off canopy. Well, I mean, yeah, but the Lucid's have the one piece of glass that I'm sure is also about 70 years. But you don't enter through it. That's true. The impracticality though is part of the point. The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars coming out now, them being difficult and like quirky to your catchphrase there is now one of the main selling points. That is cool as hell. I can't imagine it will actually be built. Maybe it teases a small volume model. I think Stradman already has his allocation and not color too. Probably. But along the topic of crazy Lamborghinis, so Lamborghini's head of sales and marketing said that they plan to build more crazy models kind of in the vein of the Storato. So lifted off road, just insane stuff. Specifically, they said they plan to build more off road super cars. Yes, exactly. Which I think is fascinating. I hope that they do because if any company can get away with it, it's kind of Lamborghini. They should be building the craziest, wackiest. Yeah, what's funny is the news article I saw said like that were Vuelto and not the Urus. But the Urus. I was just going to say that. First off, Vuelto was too big and ungainly and expensive to do an off road version. Agreed. The Urus. Well, they did that. So they did that. It's an SUV. They did that STX thing that was going to become something and then never did. But it doesn't make sense. Why do they not do an Urus 4x4 square like with like chunky tires, big fender carbon fender flares, the hierarchy? Seriously. And call it the Lamu. Three baby. Exactly. It could be a trim package, but like still, I don't think that would be cool. Let me ask you this. Is LM002 the worst named car ever? Like the leading zeros are what's really offensive as if there were going to be hundreds of LMs. Maybe they were supposed to be. But in the end, they only needed two to really refine the formula. Why not? MP4-12C is pretty poor. That's bad. That is bad. That's pretty bad. But leading zeros is wild. Couldn't it have been LM002? Well, it was supposed to be like a military vehicle. Maybe that was just what they used in like the RP for the government. Well, that was the cheetah. Yeah. You ever see the cheetah? And that was effectively the LM001, I assume. The cheetah though was like open. It was like a Baja dune buggy. And then there maybe that was the LM001 or there then was an LM001. But then there's an LM002 and that was it. They were like, all right. No, no LM277 needed. Damn. What a stupid thing. You don't want to be cool. If each one had been individually numbered and that was the number. Oh, that would have been cool. That would have been cool. That was before the era where like they could cheat and lie, I guess, about that one of whatever. They were going to be able to do that on the blockchain. Lambo doesn't cheat. I think it's incredibly cool. I am surprised to hear that them saying that they're thinking about continuing this. The Strato was not a success. They had a hard time selling them out and then the used market values have not been strong. I think it will be a success long term. I still firmly believe that in 20 years people are going to look back at this as the pinnacle hurricane. Yeah. I think it's kind of emblematic of the times too. It just is. Yeah. This was when off-roading took off the G-Wagon and the Raptor and all these cars and there was a V10 and it was like still kind of the last crazy bastion of this. I agree that Tamario is probably the better point than a Ravolto. I really hope they do a shooting break version of one of these two in off-road. Shooting break would be cool. Off-road shooting break would be super cool. I guess with the engine back there, it's going to be a little tricky, but do it anyway. Yeah, but there are engine shooting breaks. By the way, that's right. Not a shooting break, but it is a hashback. At that point, it's just body work. By the way, on this podcast, we only refer to it as the Lamborghini John Tamarian. That's right. There is no... In our hearts and in our minds, there is only one. There is no... Temarario is simply too hard to say. Right. And Timorindo is another one. Yeah. We've already gotten accustomed to John Tamarian and he is in the Lamborghini world. Right. It just all comes together. As far as I'm concerned, it's the Lamborghini John Tamarian. Right. It is. Strato. LM003. I like including the John, too, in case there's other Tamarians. Well, I don't want other Tamarians to think that it was named for them. I mean, he's got kids. Well, his dad was involved with Lamborghini. He was no confusion. Yes, the kids and wife were not. They didn't factor into Lamborghini's decision to name the car after him. They wouldn't name it after him, even if he was a single man. Anyway, I do the the upshot here is I do think it's crazy that it would offer it. Yes, I think it is truly insane. Especially they usually do it at the end of the run to try to push on sold inventory. I guess the Uris is just done so well. They don't really need to help. It's done well and it continues to do well. But still, like give us like the G-wagon's doing well and they're doing a convertible and they still do an off road of that. Right. Right. It doesn't really hamper anything. Give us an off road Uris. That's what you do. You make an SUV and it's like, oh, we're going to do off road versus the rest sports cars. Did you consider? Yeah. I'd like to pause. I mean, we want an old Lamu. We want like a real purpose built Lamu. But given that they're almost surely not going to do that, the next best thing would be, gosh, I want a Lamu so bad. It is one of the coolest. Look, I mean, look at that. Click on that one. Click on that one. I've never met a car that's more, I know what I got in terms of people selling them. Yeah. Like the asking price is always double what it really is worth. And actual sales are way lower. There is a wide disparity between. They point to the one result at a car week last year and say, all are worth 800. And it's like, you're lucky to get four hundred. Every one sells for 300 to 400. Yep. It is also one of the worst cars I've driven them and it's really bad. It's not a big deal. That wouldn't stop me under any circumstances from buying it. Of course not. It is ponderous though. Like it is such a large vehicle that it is a ponderous driving thing. That's weird one off tires. It can't drive well. Yeah. Although you can put, you don't need to buy those tires. You can put super swampers on it. Oh yeah. Okay. Give us our next new story please. Ah yes. So sticking with exotic cars. Ferrari has announced that they have added to the Fiorano test track. So here's Fiorano, very famous corner. They've added something that they're calling the eVorTechs track. The idea with this is they took corners and more stuff that you find around on normal roads and added it to this so they can test their concept cars and not have to go out and do testing on the streets. Famously, you'd see a lot of very cool concept Ferraris leaving the factory gates. A lot of car spotters like position themselves around those gates to see Ferrari. Now you'll need a drone. Now you'll need a drone or to live in one of those houses over here where people complain about the noise, which is unbelievable to me. It's pretty crazy. If you ever go on Google satellite and look at where Fiorano is, it's just in a neighborhood. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Like the factory was here and then it sort of has expanded over time to the point where now there are butters. Right. It's just sort of what they're doing, I guess. Exactly. It's a hard 37,000 square meters, which is 9.14 acres to build this and it's two kilometers. 370,000 square feet. You know, that's what I learned. Square meters to square feet just multiply by 10. Good to know. That'll come in handy a lot. Well, if you're ever trying to buy property in Europe, so they only listed in square meters. Yeah. So there you go. Good. Noted. Why does it have a sand trap? You know, I've been trying to figure that out. Maybe it's for the Fiora Songway to test the four-wheel drive system. I have no idea. But yeah, it does have a sand trap. There's no water. But there are much like these circular like. Yeah. There's like lanes up there and there's like lanes here. It kind of reminds you of like a Pecla or like one of the Porsche Experience Centers like Skidpad. Yeah. I wonder if this is for if they're going to test like autonomous driving stuff with the ID. I don't know what they're going to do with it exactly, but there it is. So in addition to, you know, of course, E-Vortex also doesn't roll. No, no, no. It's a great name. You remember the five nine GTB Fiorano? The next one will be the seven eighty four GTB E-Vortex. It's so Italian or fully potato. He's E-Vortex. Right. He would. He wouldn't probably. Roll his eyes and yeah. Now, he doesn't watch the pod when he's not on it because he's not in the cars. That's right. He's like, what? I'm going to watch this pod. I could be watching a pod about cooking. Maybe if I send it to him over a slack or watching. That's possibly true, but he did leave notes in the pod. Doc, did you see as like additional commentaries? Because he doesn't. He's not going to like, he's not going to follow up. You know what I mean? Like we don't have to worry about that. Right. We don't have to do what he says. True. Right. OK, give us our next new story. Yes. So one last motorsport related thing. So Porsche has announced that they are pulling out of the WEC, the World Endurance Championship, which is kind of sad. They said they are going to continue to focus on IMSA, which is great, which I'll talk about more because I'm going to an IMSA race very shortly. But they are going to focus instead on Formula E and IMSA, but no more competition in WEC, which I think is sad. And I think that also kind of I wonder if that's a little bit related to their difficult financial times recently, that they're kind of scaling back some of their efforts to save a little bit of money. Maybe they'll go back to Formula One like they did in my Carrera GT. They've said that. Yeah, well, I'm right. Exactly. That work as a manufacturer for engines that they were so bad at that that engine never went into Formula One car. The Carrera GT is basically a Formula One car for the road. Right. So at every automotive journalist ever. The Carrera GT is essentially a Formula One engine and strapped to a Formula One superstructure with some bodywork to please people. I don't have the energy for this. Yeah. But it makes me sad. I want to see Porsche competing at the pinnacle in the pinnacle of Merceburg, but it's not a surprise necessarily. We don't think Formula One is the pinnacle of motorsport. Well, it's Formula E. Not exactly a pinnacle of anything. Well, no, I know, but the Formula. You're saying you want to see Porsche compete at the pinnacle of Merceburg. I want to see the Formula One. Yes. Right. Isn't that where you want to see them compete? Yes and no. I mean, I could I like seeing them at Le Mans racing against Ferrari. It's like the old days. It's like it's nice to see them there. But yeah, we're not in the old days. The new days are Formula One, dude. With a halo. That's what we watch. That's a much more exercise. The WEC audience has to be super niche. They clearly know. Lamar is other than that. Yeah. But it's I guess it's not a surprise because both Audi and Lamborghini also on the same umbrella also had pulled out. Ferrari beat them last year. Yeah. And you're in the year for a year. Three years in a row. For I beat them so bad, they quit. Yeah. That's everyone's dream. I don't want to just win. I want to win so bad you quit and change. Well, I've probably had to win. Support for today's episode comes from Square, your all in one business partner that makes your day to day easier. From point of sale systems and payments to inventory and customer tools. Square brings everything together in one simple platform so you can stay organized, sell anywhere and keep things moving. Whether you're running a cafe, boutique or something entirely your own, Square gives you the flexibility to grow at your own pace and even set up an online store all in just a few clicks. We recently started hosting in person events and selling our cars and bids. Merch has become much easier with Square. 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No, that's the end of the news. God, we have so much to cover this week. For example, I still want an arena red 993 twin turbo. Nick, do you have any thoughts on this? You haven't been on the pods since we've been talking about this. I think this is the most bizarre way to do a wanted to buy ad. We need to go on. Using a boxed car model on a pot on a video. Yes, not a very scalable tactic. Anyways, no, no, someone sent us this and it got my wheels a turn in. And then I did this video. I don't maybe it's already posted. Maybe it has. I don't know if not. It's your little preview. I did this video on cars I should have bought. And I remember the time I should have bought Morgan Freeman's 993 turbo, which turned out to not be Morgan Freeman, the actor, but a different fellow. And I passed on it for that reason. But in retrospect, who cares? Yeah, right. I can't. She just bought the damn car. I can't believe you had a John Voight's LaBarrean experience in your actual life. Yeah. It's incredible. For those who are time felt fans out there. That's exactly what it was. The difference is I didn't buy the car and I should have. And George shouldn't have bought the car and he did. I am happy you're back on cars. You're back on buying cars. Ready to buy a twin turbo. You're admitting to being a Porsche guy. I haven't heard from the fellow who rolled back to your dominer. He said he'd check and call me right back. And that was two weeks ago. We're still waiting on that. Still waiting. He must be. Sir, sir, are you too busy rolling back odometers to call me? Maybe he's busy rolling it forward now. Well, that's what he should be doing. What he should be doing, but he's not. To match his service records that in his ad, they said they went back to new and there were six total service records, including none between like 2000 and 2017. Some dealers. Yeah, some dealers, but not the brilliant ones on cars and bids. Of course not. Kind of really mean that, though. I've been thinking about it more. And like the dealers who sell on the auction sites understand that like there's a brain trust that's looking and you have to. It only benefits you to be transparent. And so and a lot of them are and are very engaged in the comments and like are sending pictures. By the cars with that in mind, like when you go out and get the cars, they're not trying to ham it up. If a car doesn't have those service records, they negotiate that into the deal. And then that's something they disclose on the site. And it makes them see more transparent, which they are. Whereas like by the car and just lie, oh, it has service records to new and just try to convince like trying to sell your cars at top dollar to unsophisticated buyers is a strategy. But like probably kind of a sucky one. Yeah, I was trying to buy or have been chatting with a dealer that is an SLR. They have no service record. So I'm like, can you hunt them down for me? Can you do this? That they won't do anything. And then they automated text me. Would you like a virtual test drive? That's like, gosh, you have zero idea how to sell this car. You would love a virtual test. But what is that? Makes no sense. Speaking of that, Nick, let's talk about SLRs for a minute. What's the what's the situation there? Well, we'll have to wait and see for sure. But I was on the pod two weeks ago. Yeah. And like you, I did a wanted to buy out during the talk car segment. This is what we're going to use the pod for. Now, a part of the source of vehicles to a certain Tyler Hoover in Kansas. Let's just say we've been texting. Oh, wow. Are we going to break any ground here on the pod? Wait, wait, wait, let me let me ask it. Let me ask the question a slightly different way. Are we selling the Mercia logo? We are selling the Mercia logo. OK, so so if we were to make some conclusions here, if you could probably say, watch on Nick's YouTube channel for a for a full conclusion. I'm going to gatekeep this, but there's a decent chance that I'm getting a fire damage SLR in the near and the next week or so depending on Nick way to keep that. Well, Nick's YouTube channel and maybe he will have some sort of explanation of what's happening on the YouTube channel. The commenters so far are all saying selling the Mercia for an SLR is a terrible idea. Yeah, the Mercedes way cooler. Yeah, I actually kind of agree with them. But what you've had a car for three years, you check the boxes. The commenters don't understand when they say that is like ultimately at some point, you're just ready for a new experience. Yeah. And yeah, I think the Mercedes is cool in the SLR. I agree. But like you how many miles you put on the Mercia? Yeah, six thousand something over three years. Six thousand miles. Did Car Week, did a manual swap like we did the racetrack with it. We've done a million mountain drives. Like at some point, it's like, well, I kind of did this stuff and I'm not looking to like be a collector and just add. Right. I wish I could. But yeah, well, honestly, what what happened was a few people got into my head and started made private offers off market for it. And they were good enough that it was like, wow, this could unlock some funds and make it so that I could go to the next vehicle. And then we were at Car Week and talking about SLRs. And I realized basically the offers I was getting and the amount I would have to pay for an SLR are simpatico so that I wouldn't have to spend any money out of pocket. I just, yeah, I'm excited for you to eventually get an SLR, whatever SLR it may be. Whatever one you don't know. I just I'm curious how long that sticks around. It might not be the I totally everybody is so negative about this. I think it's going to be cool. I think you're going to really enjoy it. It does not drive as well as a mid-engine supercar, but it has some really cool benefits, including high speed. Yeah. And it looks crazy. Well, that's my biggest fear with him is that this is a very, very fast car. I am so worried. I'm going to jail. Yeah. That's honestly not. Also, I've just learned from my own Kuntas experience that when people online say stuff about cars, their experience is usually either zero or basically zero. Yeah. Yeah. And owning a vehicle like I own the Kuntas to 2,500 miles, have the spent the time. You really start to develop a different relationship with the car than if you like took it on a test drive or or in the case of all the YouTube commenters simply parroted what they've heard in other people's content. I've driven one and it is very cool and enormously powerful. Yeah. It's very impressive. I do like sledgehammers as a vehicle genre, you know, as do I. Ton of power, kind of big, your face design, like crazy looking. Like if I saw an SL, I mean, if I see a mercy on the road, it's a big deal and I take a picture and I look. If I see an SL on the road, I lose it. Like I absolutely would lose it. I haven't seen one on the road randomly and I don't know how long. Well, there were a few when I lived in Atlanta. There were a few. It is wild to look shopping at these. And I've literally contacted every single one for sale, many of which have sold months ago and the dealer just keeps them up. But most of them have under 10 camels and I would say more than half of them have under like 3000. So they do not get driven. Maybe that's because they're not that great to drive. Maybe again, again, people parrot. People have not. I've driven the car. But like I said, there's a different experience. I know I haven't owned it. There's a different experience that happens when you've when you've spent two seconds in a car versus when you've actually had the ability to, hey, I own this, I have plates on this. I can I can go hard into this corner. I can I can I can do a little traffic. But if you can go on a mountain drive and not feel worried because it's my car. If it were true that we're so great, should I surely be more with I don't know, more than 5000 miles? I'll tell you something. The greatest driving car in history, the Courgette. And by the way, verified that this morning. Good luck. Find one of those with over 5000 miles. You know, I searched far and wide when I got the money. I had a I had a pretty significant time window after we took the investment. I was willing to wait up to up to six days in order to spend all of the money in my car. And we looked and it ain't easy to find a Courgette over 10,000 miles. How many SLRs do they build? Do you know? Not counting like 3000 right? I guess I looked it up. I know the roadsters are about I want to say it was like 1300 coupes and about 21 57 total. Yeah. Total. Is that counting 722? All of them, including the Stirling Moss. 21 57 total. Well, nonetheless, I think it is. 1262 coupes. We'll have to watch it all again together. But I did go back and watch the top gear episode when they raised it from London to Oslo, which is nuts from Heathrow to Oslo. And when they did the first thing around the top gear track, it overtook the Mercia logo as the fastest lap time around the top. Yeah. So it feels very fitting that that over took the slur. Courgette. I didn't get one. I think Courgette was tested before the SLR was. But I think you see was faster than a slur. I think they complained about the traction control system a lot. I think they complain. That's that's what they do. Remember, maybe that's a 65. You're going to have a great time with it. I totally disagree. I think I can't wait to see it. I can't wait either. I have not driven one and I haven't seen one in a little while. So well, I'm excited. I'll be a treat. I'll follow. I know you so I'll follow your experience in person, but also follow it on your YouTube channel. Thank you. All right. This is exciting. I'm excited for you. I want to talk multiple. Tell me the situation with the multiply. It's legal. It's legal. We got license plates in the mail. Including one for the A2. So that is a positive thing. But the paperwork really wasn't too terrible, but it's about a month, I would say, since you and I picked it up at the port. Does that sound right? How many miles have you driven illegally? I've driven it almost every day. With a zip tied Montana plate from a long ago vehicle. No, from the Arnaj. But yes, it's it's. Well, now it's now it's a paper plate, which I think is even sketchier somehow. But a legal one. Yeah, at least have registration if I got pulled over. But yeah, no, they they processed it pretty quick. Like the checklist was true to form. It wasn't too terrible. It just took about to get the customs forms from the actual customs people. So the multiple is registered. Did you end up having to pay tariffs? So far, no. I have heard of people that like two months later, they get hit some with something. But Rami, who helped us import it, is confident based on all the ones he's done that we shouldn't. Huh. And his interpretation of it. And so far, we paid 3% duty. But yeah, which is normal. Knock on wood. Uh, interesting. So the multiple is registered. We can drive it around. You drove it here today. I noticed it's parked outside. Yeah. Did you see the zip tie door handle too? What did you do? I broke the door handle with Canon. Yep. And one long beach. I tried plastic welding and JB welding, and I can't get it back together. So I just have the little the metal pull up there. I put a zip tie so that I can kind of yank on it and use it as a door handle. It's like I have one coming from Europe, but we'll see how long it takes. It's a very lightweight solution in the meantime. It's like a boxer spider, you know? I mean, no one's stealing that thing. It's got a manual. It could lock. Can we talk about the mercy? So the multiple is here. The next generation of cars is starting to arrive. The multiple may be an SLR. We don't know. We don't know for God's sake. It could be anything. It could be. It might be an SLR. An SL65, which has more horsepower and torque. He's like sad about this now. I know. I should have figured that out in advance. I could have saved money. We'll talk about our T-shirts. You could have an SL65 black. You know what I'm actually in the market for? Third one to Dubaiad, a Silver R63. I want to build the ultimate two car combo for Silver Mercedes of 2008. If anyone has an unmodded, ideally. You're going to do it. Tyler, do it. Two questions for you. First off, 2008, I thought all the SLRs were 050607 unless you're referring to a specific one. Well, anything of that run is fine. R63 is not that great to drive. No, there is a multiple. You have an owned one, so maybe you don't know. No, no. I drove one once seven years ago, and that makes me an expert. And I'm going to go into every YouTube comment section and talk about it. No, you guys had a nice one that had a Weistak supercharger. That's what I should have gotten. But yeah, nothing like supercharger in the head bolt motor. I want to talk, though, about the Mercedes. So you're going to sell the Mercedes on Carzendom. It should be live Thursday, right? Yeah, Thursday. If this podcast goes up on Friday, yes, the following Thursday. Yes. And you are reviewing it, I'm told. I'm going to drive it tomorrow. I can't wait. Very excited. I'm excited to get your feedback on the converted Mercedes since you've driven both stick and e-gear. I obviously am thrilled with it, but I'm super biased. It's my car. I've driven a Stick 03. I've driven a Roadster Tip. And I've driven a LP640 Coupe Tip. So I am curious also. But the most thing I'm curious about is it'll be the first converted Mercedes to sell publicly, at least that I'm aware of. No, I mean, the first public sale. There may have been private sales, but period. Not that you just that were aware of. No, I can't find any. I'm not aware of any if there are, certainly, comment. But the delta between an OE Mercy and an e-gear Mercy has always been like 2 to 3X. So where does a converted car hit in that spectrum? I will tell you, I've gotten a few offers off-market that were pretty strong. And frankly, maybe I should have taken. Again, that's what kickstarted this all. But I do think it'll be fun to see how it does where it's a competitive environment and people will bid to what they're comfortable with. We'll find out. The market will tell us. There's certainly no more well-documented one in terms of all the YouTube content. Unlike some other cars, you know what you're getting. I did find one converted car for sale at a dealer. Oh, really? But they couldn't even tell you who did it. They knew nothing. There was no receipts, no records. I wouldn't touch that. It could be some dude's cousin. I would touch it at the right number, but yeah, I totally agree. It won't bring value if you can't even. If you can't document it all. Maki and I did it, an esteemed conversion shop. Well, not just that. I mean, I have all my service records. I have service records from the previous owner. Again, a mercy part of what holds back the values is everyone's terrified of maintenance costs. I am. My assumption is because you've done probably 1,100 miles in it too since the conversion. 1,600. 1,600. That's also, in my opinion, a huge benefit. Like there is some proof of concept. We've shook it out. If there was going to be an issue, it would present. I didn't just convert this car to then flip it for sale. I converted it, drove it. I mean, 600 miles is real. Did you have any issues with it in that? Did you have to do any adjustments? The intake air temperature came off of its little plastic bushing. It was resting on the engine and occasionally getting too hot. I don't think that was the conversion fault. I think either shipping it or just driving the crap out of it. Like it literally just fastened it back in and cleared the code and it was fine. It was fine. 1,600 miles since the conversion. That's about as many miles as it would take to drive from Wichita to San Diego. Yeah. I'm not doing that. Well, why would you have to do that drive, Nick? Stop wearing crappy shirts and try true classic. True classic are the guys who set out to make premium comfortable clothing without the designer price tag. I'm crazy, Nick, and I am wearing head to toe true classic because I like simple, easy stuff that I don't have to think about while my mind is having ADD issues, wondering where my multiply is, when my Bentley is going to get fixed, or any of the other things going on. 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I want to do, in my talk, I still want to say something about Lamborghinis. I am going to posit a theory. I've posited several theories on the pod before that came in nucleus theory, the JT4 nucleus theory, and various others. Here's the theory. What was the one about market caps? That was a good one. Market cap theory of supercars. Here's my theory. And I'm going to do it. I'm going to say it here. And again, when Johnny Lieberman tries to steal this theory, you were on this podcast first, on October the something or other. Lamborghini supercars will one day be valued and considered as the Ferrari supercars. The Lambo supercar collection will be the Mura, the Countach, the Diablo, and the Mercy, all gated manuals. If you have those four, it will be someday akin to having the 288. Ferrari has now fractured it, and it's too difficult to figure out what's what in the Ferrari supercar world. So as far as I'm concerned, collecting Ferrari supercars over, it ended with the LaFerrari. Some are going to say, oh, the F80, but then do we count the SP3? And I guarantee you there's more money grabs coming. I promise you. Because I think the SP3 is cooler than the F80 or the LaFerrari, and it's just as expensive. And it has the same powertrain. So how does that not count? And then the supercar collection gets murky, right? As far as I'm concerned, Ferrari, it's over it. Ended with the LaFerrari. There were five. Lambo is the big five, the big four Lambo's, all with the Bitzerini engine, and all gated. That's going to be the next big thing to collect, the big four. So is it going to be the best versions of all this? Or is it like? We'll see how it's viewed. The Mura SV, down draft, Kuntosh. I don't know. Some version of the Daublo. My crystal ball is not quite as clear as you want it to be. It's a little bit cloudy in there, but this is the future of the collecting thing. And I will tell you also, I think that Porsche 959 Carrera GT and 918 is the beginning of a Porsche run of supercars in some day. Very annoying rich people will have the Ferrari section of their garage with the big five, the Lamborghini section with the big four and the Porsche section with where now the big three and presumably will be more. You're missing the most important one though. NSX's. No, the McLaren run, the F1, the SLR and the people. All three made by McLaren, the McLaren factory at extremely limited numbers, but are halo cars. I would chop the mic, but it's on a boom. I'm going to tell you this. The SLR will never be in a garage with any of the collections I'm referring to. Anyway, that is my Lamborghini supercar, Bizzarini engine. I cosine, I think you're right. I think Lamborghini's. I mean, yours already they younger generation. It really is only the Bizzarini cars. It's not. Yeah, because in man, because they're only came as manuals. You can get them all as a manual. It is the Bizzarini engine cars and only the gated ones. Like I think that will be like the collection to have. Yep. Which obviously is all mirrors and Kuntas. But I think I do think that it will be probably people wanting to do it best will want to pursue the best of the best. So yeah, mirror SV, Kuntas, either a Periscope or a downdraft. Mercy, I don't know, a gated SV, if you can find the three of them that exist or at least an LP640 and then Diablo SE30. Probably. Or the LP650. Is there a manual? I don't know. I don't think they offer that with a manual. I can't believe you just 580 shame me now. Well, I've seen myself because I don't have a downdraft. Joe Sackie told me that without a downdraft, I am nothing. I am no one. You won't impress any of your friends. My friends will not be impressed. And he's right. He's right. Kenan's like, oh, you know what? You got to come to a downdraft? Were you a loser? Nonsense. We do tune you out quite a bit. We do tune you out quite a bit. It's interesting. Joe Sackie told me my friends wouldn't respect him. But instead, I think that actually changed the way that we respect Joe Sackie, that comment. I think it had that effect. I do want a 993 turbo. Can Joe or someone help me out with that? How do I get into this? Can I open this next week? Kenan, you got any talk cars? Yes. So as I mentioned, I'm going to Rotamere or Rot Atlanta to take part in the Petit Le Mans. Felipe and I will both be there. We're going to be there for the cars and coffee event on the main event itself is on Saturday. And that's when we will be there to hang out with people. We'll be all around the track. We have a schedule that's coming out so you can come up and say hello. What kind of cars are going to be at this? You got to. We so we put a thing out on the community to have to like for people could submit the cars. We had a certain number of spots, I think 50 or so. And it was incredible. The response we got some wild cars. You got an F50 GT. As a matter of fact, yes. No, of course not. F50 GT. No, we did get some. We're about a blackwood. You got a blackwood coming. No, I wish we could ask you a question about this. It's going to be at Rot Atlanta. You can go meet Kenan. And it says that's what's going to be there is cars, coffee and race day energy. Yes. Kenan, tell us what is your race day energy like? I'll tell you what, when the Valkyrie goes by and I hear that NAB 12 screaming, I am pumped. So I'm ready. It's like a 12 hour, 15 hour, 18 hour race. It is 10 hours. Yes, it is from it starts at 12, 10 in the afternoon and goes until 10, 10 p.m. And we will be there for all of it. You are going to be at this thing for the entire race. And I have to help set up. So I'll be there at 7 a.m. Filippo won't be like no. Filippo said that he will think about it. Well, I mean, yeah, but he gets to take slack breaks. That's he'll sleep. He'll sleep. He'll go into the into one of the team's buses and sleep. Yeah, they'll sleep on a jackstand somewhere. He's just like, yeah, he will be there. I will. What are you driving in Atlanta? I'm not driving anything. Silverado. And around Filippo, meanwhile, driving an Aston Martin. I know he is, but but are you driving a Silverado or what? I wish I were driving a Silverado. No, it's changing. In Atlanta, I rented a X seven on Turro. Wow. I also rented a BMW last time I was in Atlanta. Which one? The it was a fake Alpina seven series. That's tracks. That's a little. All right. Ken, I want to talk about Harry and the two of you. You can do it or I can do it, but we can. I will halfway talk. So our collective hero, Harry, the greatest car YouTuber. Yep. With I. Yeah, I would definitely say so. Recently drove a 250 GTO. How does this only have three hundred and six seventy thousand views because people are tasteless and need to wake up and get good contents being produced. You tasteless people. This is good. No, not our viewers, of course, but no, no, but Harry. So Harry did a video talking about the 250 GTO. He got to drive. It's a series to draw a body car. And he got to drive around in this because he was helping move a series of cars to an event. So it was this, a series one GTO, I think a D type and a two fifty a fifty eight haunting body test or so. And did you watch this video? You should watch it. I can't British people. I just like sound of their voice. I can't pay attention. Who do you think made the SLR that you may or may not be buying? He's like soft spoken and I just I can't. If you get that attention, I mean, people, I need jump cuts and like shouting. And ideally, that's exactly why we love. I do what I need like whistled diesel level of stimulus. We love Harry. There's no jump cuts. There's no shouting. The production called is laughable. It's just fact. It's just information. It's just fact. I mean, we're looking at what Nick wants is no facts and only entertainment. If you start throwing facts at Nick, it causes a problem. But so the most important part of this video to me is Harry drives the car and he put a camera in it to go drive. Believe it or not. I haven't yet actually watched the drive. I just thought he's explaining. I mean, this actually this like learned a couple of things in this. Yeah. One is that like you often say it's like, oh, you're burning. You won't be impressed with the performance of a 250 for the money. It's like, no, but I'll tell you what, the experience even from the camera is. And to be clear, I only say that when people talk about how an SL 65 is more powerful than an SLR. And it's like, OK, there's more to a car than just the power level. I'm sure the experience is unbelievable. Just it was a pleasure to watch. This video was incredible. I couldn't I was so grateful. But you know, the thing I noticed is like and Harry mentions it. This it really was a race car for the like. Look how thin the like when he drives over bumps, you see the roof go like this. Like it moves. It's just you can kind of see it there. It's just like bouncing around. The car cabin you're up there. Oh, you only have the basics. It's hot. No, there's theometer. There's the lightning bolt symbol, which appears on race cars. One thing I didn't realize that Harry told me and others, but I think it was mostly geared to me was that the a few of the 62 cars were rebodied as 64s. I thought all the 64s were newly built. No. And then the 62s were themselves. But this car, he said, yes, this car. That's correct. This car was rebodied as a dog or body car, which is which the things I realized and which is an interesting point and unfortunate because the series one is so pretty in the series two is not. Yeah. But the things that he points out, which I think is fascinating is that like they really took the 250 LM. Yes. It looks like an L.M. Yeah. The rear really look that looks like a 250 on if you just looked at it. Yeah. Not the nice. I mean, the two DLM was a mid engine car. So doing made sense. Doing the look on a front engine car is odd. Right. It's like the mirror. This is kind of their transition. The 64s never look good. But I understand why they're just as appealing now, having watched this video. Right. It's it's so interesting and everybody should go watch it. If you're it all interested in you're never going to get two 50 GTO, the most expensive car in the world and the most desirable car from the most desirable brand, you're never going to get coverage of it from anybody else. No, I will never do a video on it, too. It's just never going to occur. I don't know that I'd even want the risk, honestly. When I did Lennos McLaren, he was like, you can't drive it. I was like, thank God, let alone this. I mean, I knew I also I had Harry can do it, though. Of course. I found out or I thought about this like, you know, it's three and seventy six thousand views only. But I had a feeling in Harry's end of the year wrap up when he talks about his videos because he goes through his analytics, you know, around Christmas time. I had a feeling this video would it's like, what do you have to do to make a popular YouTube video? He drove a two fifty GTO. I don't know one gets to drive and it only did this number of views. And I'm sure something about it'll be like it'll be something about like eco friendly fuels or something that will get how many views did your Ferrari three sixty putting a TV on the roof get even beyond that. I got and I'm not trying to compete with Harry because I think that Harry's content is truly peerless. But I got four hundred sixty five thousand views doing the Lucid Gravity. Now, he's only been up for three days, but you this is one of the reasons I don't do old cars. This is one of the reasons I do. I remember I'll never forget when I went to Dubai and I filmed an Espada and a two fifty Luson Luson, yeah, and a boxer and a Yorama and some Maserati, the Ghibli. It was a Ghibli. It was a Maserati Ghibli. Yeah. And yeah, there's the Maserati video. I film those five kind of famous Italian exotic cars. And then at the very end, because I had one extra slot to film, the guy who worked at the dealership also owned a Hyundai Equus that was pre US market like it was a 90s Hyundai Equus. I filmed that and that one did the best. And it just proves to me, proved to me that there's just the audience isn't there, even if you have a two fifty GTO, which is. But for those of us who appreciate it and are like, you will never get a more in depth look. No, it was like it was extraordinary. Extraordinary. Go watch that video. Watch Nick's go on Nick's YouTube. Forget about my stuff. Go on Nick's YouTube channel. Find out his SLR thing. We don't know. I should say that that might be the best fear seeing the two fifty GTO in recent memory. There is the petrolysis one of seven minutes of it uninterrupted at full speed being driven really hard. That that might be the best. Have you has Harry done an SLR? I'm sure he has. I believe he did. I don't watch SLR content. Obviously, you should watch that because that'll be a good video. Like a good intro to the SLR. Harry's you know, who had a totally unrelated here. But you know how it's really hard to do good YouTube content of people driving on a track or just driving in general. Oh, that's true. He did the MSO one. Oh, cool. Big time did one on a 90s. Mesa race car that they bought. And the way that they cut it and the the sounds of just like the raw cut you know, sequential gearbox and everything, like they actually did a really good job at making you feel like you're racing with them. I got to watch it. Yeah. Just what you can skip the rest. Well, it's all good. Supportive of big time, of course, as is Kenan. Of course, we get a new market report. I don't want to talk too much about it because we're pushing time here and we have to take questions, which were brilliant this week. And some of them are even geared toward Nick. What? But let's talk about market report starting with the one M. Oh, yes. So we often talked about the BMW one M that the market has been strong, but it clearly is really strong. So this one had this is a Valencia orange car, which is the color, but it was one owner had 24,000 miles on it, which for one of these is a decent amount. Yeah, you see him with 10 sometimes. It's still transactive for seventy two thousand dollars, which is a ton sticker. Was what, fifty five? Fifty five, I think you have something like that. Actually, probably his picture. It's crazy to me, especially that this car is so desired. There you go. You have to know who knows his BMWs. It's crazy to me that these cars are still so valuable, especially because it was followed up with a car that was more powerful, still had a manual. They did a CS version of the next gen. They did a competition version next gen, like everything that they usually when a car becomes valuable, it's because the next gen screwed that screwed up things like the Ford GT, all right, for being serious. You know, the new one is a tip is a turbo is a V6. And that has vaunted the old one. This car, that wasn't the case. BMW followed this up with a car that is by all measures better. However, the market is just in love with this car. Well, yeah, I mean, this one is just and I agree. I'm in love with it, too. It's the same the SL 65 versus SLR argument. It's it's more than just that's what it is on paper. That's right. It is more than just what it is on paper. It is it is it is a special car in a way that is not just about the way it steers and handles and feels. I love the way it drives that over boost function that kicks into so cool. It just doesn't automatically like. I think it's if you're if you're full throttle as what like uses the throttle position sensor and will give you fit. I think it's like seven seconds of like seven seconds. Yeah, it's it's impressive. And so I think if you have I really like these cars. I do tell we've sold quite a few 16 of them. But I drove this one. This one on your list. Wonderful. Now this is too refined for Nick. Yes, it's too nice. I'm tired. Just our mutual friend, Mark, has had what two, three, something like that. Like it does seem like the people that buy them to get really into them like cult following. Yeah. Like they sell them, they regret them. They immediately buy a nicer one kind of like that's a very normal thing to do here. It is it is a really, really, really special car. Special cool. And the values reflect that. It's funny when I bought my TTRS, I thought, oh, this will be like the one and it'll get a cult following. And TTRS for some reason never had the same effect that the one and that, even though they were both like special, enthusiast only vehicles, certain low production manual. Yeah, that is that is a little odd when you think about it, because TTRS was probably similar production numbers. It was also based on a car where the regular one was not a mate. I mean, like not that special. It was also suit. It was one year, right? 12 to 12 and 13, I want to say. Yeah, it's kind of weird that those these cars never really took off and say the one that followed it was quote unquote better. But like the old one was more special. Like this is when there was like a Facebook petition from Audi to bring this to America, like clearly a marketing play. But at the same time, like I think that might that might be the difference. This car is always viewed as a skunk works car that was never supposed to exist and that made it really cool and then BMW made the back story. And the same thing with the Z three M coupe, like that car was never supposed to exist. It was something that engineers did in this spare time. Yeah, kind of added to the allure. Yeah, that was that. And that still is brought up when people talk about the one M is it was like this car that was like kind of cobbled together, but almost that almost made it like it was the best parts of what is one of the best M cars. The nine XM three is a fantastic car. Yeah, but that in a much smaller package. And it reminds us all of the 2002 and the 30. And I think that that also plays a role. And it was at that time when cars were beginning bigger and heavier. And it was like the last. We talk about the mid 2000s, but there were a few cars that sort of carried it on even beyond that. And this was one of them. This car did not come from the 2000s, but it has that ethos. Yep. I'm going to tell you a story about the one M that I may have told you before, but I don't think I've told this pod. The first time I ever drove one. Have I ever told you this? I don't think so. At Porsche, we would occasionally do. I have a picture of it in here somewhere. We would occasionally do swaps with other automakers. I'm trying to find the date so they could drive our product and we could drive their product. Honestly, it's probably illegal, illegal and collusory, but we would do it. And. And I am. And at some point BMW sent us a Valencia orange one amp. And I'm trying to find the picture here, the exact date. But here it is. And I had I got it in March 6th, 2012 for one night. One night. It went around the office. There was no reason for me to drive it other than the people who were in power of these cars knew I was an enthusiast and thought I would like it. And so I got it March 6th, 2012 for one night. Here's a picture of my friend Andrew driving the car for the one night. We're at a gas station. We probably probably drove it like pulled an all nighter in the car. And and I absolutely fell in love with the car that one night. And I remember March 2012 at that time, there were still allocations available. Wow. And I can't remember if someone from our office did it or a friend of someone from our office did it, but went through a someone we knew at Porsche, who knew BMW person and was in Goddard allocation. And she said she, Patty, the person who we went, was the BMW like go between. She's like, if you want one. Hmm. I was like, I don't know. That's 50 grand. I'm not sure. What have been cool? Just roughly what they sell for now. Yeah. I mean, nice ones, nice ones even more, obviously. Yeah, they just really have not like, I mean, this guy bought this and it was fifty five thousand on a car there about forty three thousand five hundred miles and sold it for 50 grand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they just aren't that many modern cars. You can do that. I still remember that one night. I've driven them several since then, but that that one night was like all I really needed to understand just how special that car was. And this was coming from at the time. I drove a lot of Porsches very frequently. And to it was a really it was clear to me then that it was a really special. Love that one night like impression. Like I remember when Chris Harris had a Veyron for a night and Germany and he took it in southern Germany, where you have the true deerstricted autobahn. And he took that and it is a nine nine seven, I think. One GT three RS and that was the chase car. And like he said, like there's great video of it or he just lays into. I think he did two hundred and twenty miles an hour on public roads with him, which probably was maybe Bugatti didn't want him to do, but he did it anyway. But like it just like the Porsche just like it's just not even close. It was like a great demonstration. But it was all night. He just drove it all night. They did have a Vey to just drive around. That'd be a good podcast question. You can only have a car for one night. You can never own it or drive it again. Selena seven would be mine. But like you'd pick a car you wouldn't want to be stuck with, but really want to experience. Yeah. Man, that's a great question. That is a great question. Speaking of questions for next week. No, I want to talk about there's there's two more market report cars I want to talk about. One is the C four zero one. I'll let you talk about it. Oh, yeah. So this is not a very me car at all. I have to say, but I adore the C four zero one because of the LT five. The engine in this car was so ahead of its time. Yeah. And I and Corvette hasn't done another engine like it since. And I have just loved these cars. I think they're really special. There aren't that many of them. And I think they're really cool. But they are such a value and everybody sleeps on them. This isn't like a. Yeah, they're really C fours aren't the best cars. These cars were amazing. And I think that they really are undervalued for what they are. I mean, they sell for 20 grand all day long. That purple one. This one here, red one. Yeah. This picture. This is a picture of the Midwest. A poorly maintained road, a C four Corvette and personal watercraft on a lake. That is a photograph of the Midwest. Yeah, which Midwest? In Cesar, New York. It's in New York. Wow, famed Midwestern state. Yeah. But I mean, the spirit of the spirit of the picture is where Nick and he was trying to capture that because he knew his buyer was going to be an Indiana, right? Any news? Only got some days. He even put if you go to the rear, he even put a Michigan plate on it. Then the famous one with the car. C four is pretty cheap. I've never driven one to know if it's good, but it is cheap. That motor. Another plug to a random YouTube channel. But Ammo NYC just had one on their channel last weekend. Barn fine covered in like rat poop and all that and watching them wash it and polish it, it's black. So satisfying. The later ones seem cooler. I mean, you mentioned that, you know, early zero ones kind of suck. Truthfully, the early C fours. It was a C four. So truthfully, the early zero ones were actually pretty early in the C four run. They were 90, 90, 91. It's kind of, but later they did eventually, they did go with the zero one all the way through the end where it kind of got better looking and probably got tighter. They got a lot more modern looking. That's for sure. Yeah. I just really like these cars. This is a Corvette I would actually genuinely consider owning this in the C five zero six or like the two I want to see for a Grand Sport. Can you pull up a C four Grand Sport just so I can look at it? I'm not even going to talk about it. We'll do it on another pot. We'll just look at it. I just want to look at it for just a minute. Grand Sport. Don't, don't, wasn't there one without the D though at some point? I think this car is the coolest looking Corvette. That's a picture of the mid wet. Truly believe. Yeah. March. Truly believe this is the coolest looking Corvette of all time. Was that grand? All time. You think the C two split window is C two. Yeah. OK. C two split window followed by this. Oh, get the dog. Yeah. There's a dog. I just think the C four Grand Sport is like a truly beautifully perfect car. Which male dog or female dog? And it was 96 only. It was the last model year of the C four. So that was like the best of breed. Oh, it is. I want one of those. Damn, it is cool. Why don't I have one of those? Because you got to live stuff. Yeah, it's time to make a list and start going after some cars. OK, last thing I want to talk about is the mid engine GTI. Back on cars. Yeah, this car. Back on cars, baby. Back on cars. This one was a bit of a surprise. It feels like it's up your alley. Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This I have no words for this exactly. So recently someone sold this as a. So someone sold a GTI. Oh, I didn't see the result. Where they put the engine in the middle. So this is the front. You can see no motor up here because it lives. Back here. Look at that. It's a homemade R five turbo. It is. That's cool. And with with the with the vents, I mean, like if if another if another 20 grand had gone into this build, you could have made it like look factory. Like obviously that that doesn't really. I like that. You could have painted that and made it look a little nicer, dressed it up a little bit. But otherwise, the car looks pretty factory. I mean, I mean, there's some pretty big giveaways. Sleeper built in general. There's some pretty big. Yeah, but it's sold for nine thousand seven hundred dollars. I think this is an unbelievably cool car. I completely agree. I saw this come in when I was doing the dog's take and I was like, wait, what did the comments say? How you got California license plates on this? Because yeah, I think I think there's impressive. There's a guy named Big Rick Bubba and and he's got a smog shop out somewhere out east of San Bernardino County. And anyway, the Yada Yada Yada, he's got California plates on. He's got a GTI. Yeah. Mark six. Gtappants to be there. You know, I mean, if it gets plundered, that's right. Rick happens to also have a GTI. Hey, man. You know, I thought so. Yeah. But I I just thought this was like the coolest thing. I thought I was going to go for way more to be honest. Because you really never know with these oddball bills. But I wasn't surprised to see this result. I think that it's you're buying someone else's project. And a car like this will kind of perpetually be a project, like truthfully, like it's it's it's not like it's finished. Like you're always going to be have to be working on keeping it whatever, cooled or et cetera. True. And so you've got to have some real mechanical know how. But also you didn't want to do it yourself. You just want to buy whatever someone else did. How cool. It's cool as hell. I was astonished to see it come across that in the Grand Cherokee, honestly, which also didn't sell for all that much with the with the Hemi Swap. Dude, let's let's buy some swaps. But I think people are a little worried about buying people's swapped bills, like 9500. What a bargain. Yeah. OK. We got to do questions. The questions are brought to us by Nick and his YouTube channel. Nick's YouTube channel. I don't know what it's called. Nick Roshan. Go to Nick's YouTube channel. We don't know how to say his name. Roshan. Go to Nick's YouTube channel. He sponsored our question segment today. So if you asked a question, you have to thank. I actually want to say thank you to the listeners for listening to Doug and coming in so many questions. Four hundred and thirty one comments this week with questions. So many questions. So many good ones. In fact, Kenan wanted to submit a question from his friend, Jeff, and I deleted it. Sorry, Jeff, submitted in the thread. He did. It didn't get it. I really highlighted it. All right. First question from there's some good ones. I'm going to try to find. OK, first question from F40 RC K5. This is a great question. And it's going to go not the way the question ask or hoped it would. Hey, Doug, Kenan is an anti modification guy. What cars do you think look better modified aesthetically, especially BMWs? None. Dude, I was at I have a crazy experience. I was at a shop yesterday and the guy who runs the shop told me he bought a nine nine sixty four S off the original owner who had died. And the wheels were factory chrome from O2. And the way he solved that problem was he's putting on after markets. And I'm like, man, the wide body nine nine six wheels are so attractive. Yeah. But anyway, the answer is none. Nick, your thoughts. I had a long list of cars. If we look at BMW only anyone that does CSL mods on an E46. But they never sick of the problem is they never stop where they should. No, they do to they do that. There's only like three CSL mods. And then they also just have to lower it and do tinted tails and do all this other dumb crap. No, it looks great. I'm good with that. I said the Z three and M coupe roadster. You got to do a height adjustment. It needs just a mild drop. There is not a single car I have ever thought looked better lowered than OE. I think every car looks better were spacers on it. The offsets are always too weak. Just push them out five, seven millimeters. It's all you need. I think every car looks worse with spaces on it. When I see a car with spacers, I think to myself, that guy is smoking pot in the car. What? Look, perfect. What's wrong with that? Well, you got to smell. Right. Perfect example. CSL front bumper. Looks great. Wrong. Yes, like slammed with the 92 M three wheels. And then there's the CSL rear trunk lid and then the black kidney girls of course, which are awful. I don't mind those either. But I know you terrible. They look like giant holes that are in the hood. I just look at the current BMW design language. Yeah, but that's the benefit of that car is it doesn't have the current BMW. I actually don't hate the black girls that much on non black cars. On black cars, I think they look really stupid. It is very rare, truly very rare, where I find a aesthetic modification. I this is very different about other modifications, an aesthetic modification where I think that it looks better. My guilty pleasure is carbon fiber vented hoods like that one. The white one there. I don't know why I love that. I love it. Dinered. I think it's the Steve Salina influence where the more vents equals faster. And so the more vents like the seven that you could put on a car, the faster I think it is. But I love that. I love it. In all these pictures, they're taken from a low angle to high. Next year, I know I get a close up of that. It's not for everyone. I just have titled in the two girls together. When I see aesthetic modifications, I generally think like why? Yeah. Even wheels, I'm a lover of factory wheels. I can tell if you show me any wheel ever, I can tell you exactly what car was on. I am obsessed with factory wheels. I think the factory wheel designs have such an important component of the design and overall look of the vehicle. And I've bought cars based entirely on the factory wheel designs. And I really truly believe the RS2. And I really truly believe that like very rare do I see aesthetic modifications benefiting. I think lowered cars look bad. I honestly generally think the factory sets the ride height for a reason. And part of it is because when you lower a car, it ends up messing with the overall proportions and it doesn't look great. I'm different. Most people will completely disagree with this. Nope. I agree wholeheartedly with that. I will say, yeah, well, that's how you do it right. You want to mod a car aesthetically, turn it, turn an E46 325 I touring into an M3, a factory look at M3 wagon. Those are some mods I can get behind. I will say the one I would maybe give an exception to, although it was built by the factory is the X5 LM, which is on the previous wheels, but it was built by BMW. It was built by the factory, but it was an X5 that was heavily modified. The moment the factory comes into play, it's fine. Well, OK, I mean, otherwise it's an E53 on BBS. LMS. If you feel that way, then it's slippery. So what about a roof? What about an Alpina? Roof's are modded cars. The not from the factory. Did it? The but what? Factory, not the factory. Roof's are. Look, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to make I'm going to make a proclamation right here and now. We've said it. We've we've intimidated before. Let's just go for it. Just say it. Roof is not an automaker. Yeah. Portion makes the car roof. Maybe does an engine. They mod the car. We could make an engine like roof is not an automaker. And so everybody's like the roof such and such was the fastest car in the world. No, it wasn't. Yeah, I don't view the yellow bird as being it was faster than the F 40. I view the F 40 as like holding the record. Let's mod an F 40. Right. Exactly. When you modify something that's in its faster than something that isn't modified, it's like, well, you're not apples to apples comparing. Well, they have their own fin. I don't care. Like to me, if you park those, it doesn't pass to my wife test. That's the thing. If you park that car next to a nine six four, my wife would think it's the exact same car. You park and have 40 there. That's a different car. I saw 65 and SLR wouldn't pass the my wife test. Well, the Roadster. See, that's why you buy a SLR coupe, because the coupe has much better lines and hopefully you'll do that. I haven't committed either way. So it's plenty of time. I think that is the drawback of the SLR. I just think it's strongly on the roof as well as modifications. Roof is an automaker. They make 20 cars. They get their own van and somebody's like, well, they have their own van. When I always a roof showed me the rodeo at car week, I fell in love twice in the same moment. All right. Was one of the lungs and she gave you a free cowboy hat? It was didn't hurt. Didn't hurt. Yeah. OK, anyway, that's for our modification. Thankfully, Nick is right here to give us stand up for modification. Yes, I'm going to continue. It's put on that. I am into that. It's like, yeah, I love the front lip, but that's easy to read. Man, that looks like it just scrapes on everything. That's the other thing. Modifications almost exclusively have some downstream negative effects. It's almost always but also some positive upstream effects. Right. If you take that thing to the track, I'm going to have more G's. And I'm going to do no. I'm going to out apex you and your your right height designed to not hit parking barriers when you go to the public supermarket in South Florida. Out apex. You're going to get a high center of the car. The truth is, his body kit was probably twenty four thousand dollars and the guys terrified to take the car anywhere. Right. Yep. He's just parking lot is next to his house and completely flat entrances. Exactly. The high open highways, the only place he can drive it. OK, next question. Next question. Next question from Emma Stone for seven five seven. I'm curious your take on this, guys. I had a couple of years from 20 to 22, where I took a break from cars completely. Have you guys ever taken a break from interesting cars or are you always into it? It's a great question. I do occasionally take a break from it. Because it's funny because I also am very fortunate that I get to like work in the auto industry, which is something that I'm passionate about. And when your work and play are the same thing, it like it can be exhausting. I have a lot of other interests. And so what I often do is I'll just indulge one of them. Like I'll go like winter comes. I usually become way more interested in watches than cars, despite living in something California. It's just that's what I'm used to. And so like sometimes I'll just indulge those. But I do need some breaks from a break because like, you know, it just wears on you after a time, I think. I've never taken a break in my life, not even for a minute. Not an interest. You take a break from purchasing. Purchasing, for sure. But I'm still like watching the market every day, thinking about cars, watching YouTube car videos. It's literally never an even for a moment since I was as long as I can remember. Same for me. The college, you couldn't have a car. Like there just wasn't adequate parking. That made me even more desired. I spent so much time playing racing video games as well as hanging out on E46 fanatics. I never owned an E46. That was like my home for four years in college. What? Why? Why that instead of why I like modded CSLs. When some dude from Raptors, CSL, Flossman in Canada, and I was like, oh my gosh, Chrome M3, like took over the internet in my world. And like I'd be like in like, you know, gender science 101 or whatever. And like, did you see the question on E46 fanatics, even though he never owned? Did you ever want an E46? I still want an E46 and it's a very achievable dream, but I haven't done it. Did you know this? I always knew he was on Audi Zine. He was Nick was out of the month about 13 years ago. You can you can actually Google it. It's still live on this. Yes, shout out, Anthony. Yes, no, but so that was the closest thing with I lived in D.C. for a year and a half. I didn't have a car there, but it was still like hanging out on car forums and car culture. I just couldn't physically drive anything. I knew this about you. I don't know why you did this, but I didn't know. I'm going to tell you something when Nick, let me let me tell you something. When I met Nick, he was a he was a he didn't have a kid yet. You know, a child and he was really in a car. He had that TTRS that he modded the one that he money shifted. The money money shift. And he's copying to it now. Finally, he money shifted his TTRS and and then he had his his his daughter. And I kind of thought we would lose Nick. I kind of thought that would be the end. I got I made it clear. I was like, Nick, I think this is kind of the end for you and your cars. And he actually that's kind of was a turning point where he began to get crazier. Yeah, actually, in retrospect. That's when my sleep apnea started. Our friend group is very healthy and in quick succession, Nick got like an RS for that are already in the mercy and various other cars. And he he really proved me wrong. Yeah. Yeah. But I was afraid that that would happen in Nick then spike cars. Next question from special K 24, which is a great username question. It's a it's a Honda thing question for Doug. Doug, can you peel back the curtain on insurance and other cost fees as part of owning a small fleet of supercars? You do a nice job sharing maintenance or repair items. But I'm curious what it costs are on owning these. Also, are you still doing storage? I am not a car store in my house in the office because we have all the space. But ownership, you know, I never really think about that. I mean, yeah, the insurance expenditure, the rest of the cars are not insane. But I don't know that I've ever really discussed. I should probably make a video about it. Sean will be mad that I put it in this video. But courage is about 10 grand a year to ensure it's a thousand bucks a month. That's a lot. And then you add up the other cars and my bill at Hagerty, which comes due every February is almost twenty thousand dollars a year. And just in general, when you kind of make some money, like insurance is like an unbelievable part of my life. I spend an unbelievable amount of money every year on insurance. But that's that's that's about it. And then registration is what it is. I mean, you can look those up there, all kind of percentages and stuff. It's not that crazy because my cars are mostly old and the states, the two states I live in here in Massachusetts and in California, it's based primarily on the original value of the car. And so it's not it's not crazy to renew the plates, but insurance is high. I think that's not that crazy for a one point three million dollar car. Yeah, I mean, I think Hagerty knows that people who own these cars are not. Well, first off, they're not going to file claims. No, no, ultimately. But also that, you know, people who own these cars are not either. So they're so careful. Yeah. And you have multiple of them that really proves that point. I mean, Hagerty, I pay a loving rent a year and it doesn't sound like all that much considering the car is so valuable. However, how many days do you even drive that car? Like it's like once a week and not for 90 days in the summer. So I don't know, do I drive it 30 days? If their risk is limited to probably. Twenty miles on 30 days. And that's that's one of the great things. There's one of the things that's often misunderstood. I think about exotic car insurance was like my three fifty five. It was like it added like a hundred and one dollars a month because they knew I wasn't going to drive that car very much. So the risk is substantially lower. Now something happens. It's a problem. But yeah. What's the Mercedes Lagos situation there? It's like I want to say five or six grand a year. It's not terrible. Either. By the way, I do assume I get some sort of discount with career duty because I have so many. I have two points on million dollars in cars. And that's where it's going to go. When I added the Arnaj, the total policy went down because the multi car discount, say it's five percent off, was subtracted off the mercy than the cost to add the Arnaj, which they assume is just like worth nothing. So they're right. And they're the Arnaj actually saved me money on insurance by bringing down my total bill more than. But it costs you a hell of a lot more. That's true. It's it's it's bit me on the other end. Next question from our lower. Hey, all. After all your years of driving manual cars, how often do you guys accidentally stall a couple of times a year? Does it never happen anymore? Stalled the career today. It does still happen. It is very rare. I generally only do real miles in the three manual cars that I own. And I am really dialed in with how to operate them. Yeah. How often do you still probably all the time? Oh, yeah. I think between my attention span and everything else, it's bound to happen. I had Ivanhoe let me test drive a nine nine six GT three club sport. And I stalled it out on a hill. And then like he was looking at me like you idiot. And then that just made me like completely freak out. And like it took me like a minute to get going again. Sometimes unfamiliar cars can be hard, although when I am doing videos with unfamiliar manual cars, I am putting an enormous amount of effort and attention, which Nick doesn't into that driving experience. Frazzled. Like I didn't even install the crazy BMW 700. I didn't install it once, which is hard to do. Right. It stalled itself on me, but I did not. Well, with the mercy when you drive it tomorrow, you'll find it does. It almost seems no gas like it could just go on its own like a car GT. Generally speaking, the exotic cars, that's true that the multiply. You got to pretty much do full throttle. Yeah. So you just got to like like if you go from one to the other really quickly, like you're you're putting way too much pressure on one pedal or the other. So I still want to say it's been once in the last three years, I think. Wow, like I remember it was my in five to that was like there was a situation where there's like a lot going on and so I was paying attention to something else. And I just what about in you drive a lot of other cars like when they come off the truck here and you don't have any problems with them. Damn. I mean, because I always like you test the throttle first, you figure out where the bite point is once you know that it's in. Plus with unfamiliar cars, I tend to be particularly like safe. Like I don't like try to get it at the exact. I probably put in a little too much gas and a little too much. You know what I mean? Trying to make sure that I don't stall because that's not backing the mercy off the top of a transporter truck. I saw reason alone. So it has about this much clearance on both sides from the wheels for whatever reason, the transport driver, he couldn't fit in the car. I think was the issue and they made us back it out. Now that was one where you're just like, I can't. Yeah, reason alone, not to want to transport or his put it in the. I very careful. Yeah. OK, last question, final question, last question, final question, last question. Let's talk about it. Have S2K reactions to Larry Chen visiting the Brunei car collection? I have not watched this video yet. It's 45 minutes long, but nothing. There's nothing new, right? No. He doesn't go to see the most special car. No, he goes to see the princess's collection of cars, which are nothing. I mean, like the only Ferrari was a Monday all like it's like it genuinely is like and it is sad to see all those cars. I mean, they are genuinely rotting away. It's cool that he got there. It's cool that someone did it. We did not get in to see the cars that are not rotting away. And I think the whole point of the video that focuses more on Brunei called car culture, because the cars get out or auctioned off by the family regularly because they have so many all the time. It's all the time. So those cars stay in Brunei and are owned by locals there and the car culture surrounding them is very cool. But like I know what he's getting to see the real stuff. Yeah, the getting just getting in is cool. The fact that someone was there is super cool. We want to see Prince Jeffrey's crazy cars. And you know, I will say this is my interpretation of this whole thing. I think the Brunei royal family to this day is a little embarrassed about the whole thing. And so they've never they don't really sell cars out of the collection. And the important ones, they do auction off like Mercedes basically all the time. But they've never really sold any of the really big cars, a few here and there, but generally not. They've never opened it up to the public, even though it would have enormous public interest. And I think they're they're a little embarrassed. I think it's a mistake, though. I agree. So only reason most people know where Brunei is or have heard of it. Absolutely. Yeah. And those cars are so special. It was an unbelievable time in the automotive industry in the exotic car world. And I think a public museum there would be unbelievable. Yeah, I agree. I think they should be more embarrassed about the cars are letting her out of way. That is more embarrassing to me than the crazy one off stuff they built. But by the same token, it did keep Rolls Royce and Bentley around. And people are now saying Aston Martin had the same was saying the same thing and kept them going and likely Brunei. Hopefully I'm super interested to see that video. I haven't watched it yet, but excited to see it when I do. Sad that we still can't get what we really want, which is me and Nick. Go to Brunei ourselves. I'm down. You've taken me on that trip. I'm not just going to let you take Nick here. Yeah, I'm going on that one. You can't allow me to get into a Muslim country. You got to you got to be you got to have minders. He's got to have minders. I think we'll just put like a color on his wrist and just zap him every time he starts to say something insane. There we go. That's our podcast. Can any final thoughts for us? That's the best one we've ever done. That's part we've ever done. Nick is here and I'm thrilled about it. I'm thrilled to be here. Lovely. All right. Get on the mercy next week. Yeah. Big Mercy week. Maybe there will be an SLR. We don't know. Never find out. We're not announcing. Have mercy. I think I'm going to get an SL 65. If anyone has one. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.