Summary
Armstrong and Getty discuss the U.S. blockade of Iran's Strait of Hormuz, Trump's controversial Jesus-like social media post, and a psychological analysis of why people adopt conspiracy theories. The hosts explore how loss of meaning, social isolation, and distrust in institutions drive people toward conspiratorial thinking.
Insights
- Conspiracy theory adoption is driven by three deep human needs: understanding one's environment (epistemic), feeling safe and in control (existential), and maintaining positive self-image (social)
- Love and deep relationships act as protective agents against conspiracy theory adoption, while social isolation and life instability increase susceptibility
- Online influencers deliberately exploit psychological vulnerabilities by understanding which buttons to push, making conspiracy monetization a calculated business strategy
- The internet's reinforcement ecosystem allows fringe ideas to gain validation from thousands of adherents instantly, replacing the natural friction of local community feedback
- Trump's controversial imagery suggests a disconnect between his understanding of evangelical Christian values and how his messaging is actually received by that demographic
Trends
Conspiracy theory adoption correlating with decline in traditional institutions (religious organizations, civic groups, trusted media)Psychological weaponization of meaning-making as a business model by political commentators and online influencersGeopolitical escalation with U.S. military blockades and drone strike threats becoming more direct and publicly announcedGrowing disconnect between political leaders and their core demographic constituencies on cultural and religious messagingSocial isolation and relationship breakdown as primary risk factors for radicalization and conspiracy adoptionAirline industry facing unresolved policy challenges around passenger accommodation and fairness in seat allocationIncreasing use of AI and deepfake accusations as conspiracy theory defense mechanismsChina's economic dependency on global trade as potential leverage point in U.S.-Iran-China geopolitical triangle
Topics
U.S. Blockade of Strait of HormuzIran Nuclear Weapons ProgramConspiracy Theory PsychologyQAnon and Misinformation SpreadTrump Social Media StrategyReligious Imagery in Political CommunicationEvangelical Christian Political AlignmentSocial Isolation and Mental HealthInternet Echo ChambersInstitutional Trust DeclineGeopolitical Escalation with IranChina's Role in Middle East ConflictAirline Passenger Accommodation PolicyBody Positivity MovementTucker Carlson Political Influence
Companies
Southwest Airlines
Discussed policy on charging passengers who are too large for single seats; host experienced firsthand incident on re...
iHeart Media
Distributor and network for Armstrong & Getty On Demand podcast
Trust & Will
Estate planning platform offering online will and trust creation; primary sponsor with promotional code
Fox News
Referenced as Tucker Carlson's former employer where he had high favorability ratings among Republicans
People
Jack Armstrong
Co-host of the show discussing Iran blockade, conspiracy theories, and social commentary
Joe Getty
Co-host providing analysis on geopolitical events and psychological aspects of conspiracy adoption
Donald Trump
Central figure in discussion of Iran blockade policy, controversial Jesus-like social media post, and political influ...
Tucker Carlson
Discussed as example of conspiracy theory influencer with 47-point favorability drop among Republicans
Candace Owens
Criticized for promoting conspiracy theories linking Netanyahu, Romney, CIA, and BYU to Kennedy assassination
Arthur Brooks
Quoted extensively on psychological research about conspiracy theory adoption and role of love as protective factor
Blake Neff
Responded to Candace Owens conspiracy accusations, defending evidentiary standards against psychopathic reasoning
J.D. Vance
Referenced for visiting Hungary to support Viktor Orban; quoted on believing only true conspiracy theories
John Fetterman
Mentioned as Democrat critical of media coverage portraying Iran situation as disaster
Bill Maher
Referenced for discussing obesity and health standards in media commentary
Quotes
"Europe is a 16 year old golden retriever that ought to weigh about 70 pounds, but it weighs 110. It can barely walk. It lumbers around fat and useless."
Joe Getty•Mid-episode
"They were kidnapping our loved ones and replacing them with a bitter hollow shell of what they once were"
Arthur Brooks (quoted study)•Conspiracy psychology segment
"Love acts as a protective agent against these ideas, whereas social isolation increases the likelihood of holding these beliefs"
Arthur Brooks (research summary)•Conspiracy psychology segment
"If your mother says she loves you, still get a second source"
Jack Armstrong•Trust and institutions discussion
"The most terrifying thing you could ever do is spend five minutes in somebody else's mind"
Joe Getty•Conspiracy psychology segment
Full Transcript
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. I'm strong and getty. And now he is. I'm strong and getty. So many members in the in the media are carrying water for Iran. You know, of course, the Iranians consume all of American media, and they must be elated with the vast majority of this coverage. And they've just realized now we can't and will never put any kinds of boots on ground, or we won't do the kinds of very specific kinds of things like from seaving the air, uranium material or reopening the strait. And now that's they put them in the straight where here we are right now. Senator Fedman, Federman of Pennsylvania, Democrat, not liking the media coverage around the whole Iranian war. I would agree. If you watch like the Sunday shows or cable news channels, anything like that, it's all a discussion of, well, the disaster happened. It's the worst thing any president has ever done. How do we clean this up? Without any idea that things could still turn out for the better, which they obviously could. And because it's an echo chamber, they don't even feel the need to make the argument for why it's a mistake. It's just self evident in their world. And all the implications and omissions of the, you know, the Iranians trying to get the nuclear weapons as soon as they could spreading terrorism. They've got proxy armies all over the region. So they may have constantly, they don't even bother to make the case. So the blockade is on as we speak. The United States is now blockading the straight of Hormuz. So no ships can come in and out. Hey, Iran, you ain't going to make any more money from here on out. Also, hey, China, you ain't going to get me oil. Neither is Europe. So you got that. Iran has threatened all kinds of attacks on ports and ships that go through and all that sort of stuff. Donald Trump has just put out another truth social post in which he says, Iran's Navy is laying at the bottom of the sea, completely obliterated. 158 ships. What we have not hit are their small number of what they call fast attack ships because we do not consider them much of a threat. Warning. If any of these ships come anywhere close to our blockade, they will be immediately eliminated using the same system of kill that we used against the drug dealers. Using the same system of kill that we used against the drug dealers on boats at sea, it is quick and brutal. So we're going to drone strike the fast attack boats if they head out into the straight, apparently. Fair enough. Yeah. That'd be exciting today. Yeah. You brought China into the discussion, which is absolutely appropriate. And when we were talking about this earlier, Jack made, I think, an excellent point that this feels to some extent like the big thing hasn't even happened. Do I, do I, this is a run up to the big thing, the history making event. Here's the best thing we've got going for us. Ironically, China is so desperately addicted to exports. And he's shocked to the world. Economy would be terrible for their economy, like on practically unsustainable. So it's held them in check from moving on Taiwan for now. And I also think they are seriously going to exert pressure on the IRGC to tone the crap down because China's got to have world trade going in the world. Tone down your crap. I hope that happens. Maybe that's Trump's leverage. Maybe he feels like that's the leverage. Because what's the alternative? China decides to go crazy on the US and get into a tit for tat with Trump. Uh, I just don't, I don't think that's the right strategy. Well, it could be Europe and China leaning on Iran. Hey, get your, you know, open that straight. Well, Europe leaning on anybody is not very impressive. Europe is a, you know what Europe is? I'm going to tell you what Europe is. Europe is a 16 year old golden retriever that ought to weigh about 70 pounds, but it weighs 110. It can barely walk. It lumbers around fat and useless. You're appearing in a way like with their food and their architecture, but useless. Europe is a fat golden retriever. You heard it here first. That's the sort of analysis. You only hear here at the Armstrong and Getty show. I didn't mean militarily. It looked like for a couple of days there last week that Europe might strike some sort of a deal with Iran where, okay, we'll pay the tolls and go through and. Nobody's striking nothing says me. Donald J. Trump. Right. So, huh, that's exciting stuff. We'll see how this all turns out today, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. A side issue. It's hard to tell because the Lefty media loves this, but Trump's meme he put out last night of himself as Jesus. I haven't seen it. I've just heard about it. Oh, I texted it. I think or Hansen did some of it. It's on the group feed, but it's causing widespread consternation. Oh my God. Evangelical. That's from his own truth. Social feed. He truthed it out. Yeah. As if he is Jesus with dead service members in heaven with angels wings above him and an American flag and an eagle and. Oh my God. Touching the forehead of a dying man and. Oh my God. Does it have any words accompanying this picture or just the picture? I'm just aware of the picture. It's it's holy crap. Yeah, literally. Yeah. Did he think that was. Touching. Funny. Is he just trolling? Is this a classic Donald Trump? All this will get people upset. Well, he's he's retweeted and memed out many memes that show him as like a superhero or just a God like figure. But this is a touch on the nose or on the cross, if you will. Wow, it's got so many elements to it. So it's Trump dressed like Jesus. You got the American flag in the background, as Joe said, eagles flying. Of course, course, some jets. You got a guy, an old guy with a veteran hat on, and he got a young guy who's clearly currently in the military. You got a nurse. All looking up at him, awe inspired as he lays hands on what it appears to be somebody who's wounded or dead. Dying or a dying man, I would say. And the divine light is emanating from both of Trump's hands. What the hell is the message of this? Oh, there's the you left out the Statue of Liberty in the background right in the Lincoln Memorial. Oh, is that the Lincoln for folks who hadn't picked up on the theme? Yes, Lincoln Memorial. And then what's that up the top? Those are dead soldiers with angels wings. Oh, my God. I know you're right. Or is that some sort of demon character in the middle? No, I think you're right. I think those are. Holy crap. A couple of them are clearly like some dead soldiers. I don't know what that thing in the middle. OK, one other building we haven't named over his his right shoulder on the left side. What is that? Is that a church? Is that the Vatican? Is it? What is that? Or is it? It's got a cross on top of it. That's not like. Is that part of the Vatican or is that a I don't know what that is. Something like that. Some some some church of some sort. This is his all time. Inappropriate. And that's a heck of a statement I just made. Oh, boy. Wow. OK, all right. We'll post it at Armstrong and Getty dot com so you can see it and judge for yourself. We'll get that up there immediately. I demand it. How are. So like if you're really into the belief that Trump is out to save Christianity and so was Victor Orban. And that's why J.D. Vance was over there and hungry over the weekend last week trying to get him elected. He lost big. You know, that's the whole Pucker Carlson Orthodox Eastern Christianity is going to stamp out the queer thing. Yeah. Does that crowd like this sort of thing? Trump is way too much. It's or is that blasphemous? Well, it's clearly blasphemous. It's it's one of the most famous things I've ever seen in my life. Puts the ass back and blasphemous. That's some of us from the past. Famous. We've got we probably should stop now. I plan to. Yes, please. Anyway, so the blockade started what an hour and a quarter ago, according to US Central Command, if if the rest of the world can't ship, neither can you around, says Trump, and we'll see if the shooting starts. I'm going to retweet this picture just because I want to know what people think of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Word from our friends that trust and will good to have them back. Trust and wills platform makes it easy to create your will or trust online. Judy and I have everything in our trust for a lot of really, really important reasons. It's such a relief to have a peace of mind, you know, have the estate planning and everything and and protect our assets from crazy lawsuits or whatever. Trust and will is a great way to get that done. Yeah, it's state specific. 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Nobody was actually willing to do anything. Trump actually did something. I still think at this point, it was a good idea. But that, I don't know what that post is. You know what it is, is and I remember this from the campaigns. Trump has a weird relationship with like Blue Collar America, Heartland America, evangelical or Protestant America in that he expresses great affection for them. But he has no idea how they think and how they live, really. And those folks having received nothing but derision and judgment from the left for decades now, years and years certainly, are like, oh my God, he says, you know, we're good people who care about our country and our families and we're good people. And by God, that's refreshing. But Trump has, I mean, the Bible, you know, the greatest book ever written, maybe except for the art of the deal. I mean, the Bible. He has no idea of the thinking and what those people actually say. And this, I think, is just a misstep. He doesn't understand Christianity because he's an atheist, I'm sure. And he doesn't understand how far over the line this is for a lot of folks. Doubt he's thought that much about it. Right. Right. Well, that is something. Well, anyway, I tweeted out, want to know what you think of it or you can text us. What do you think that sort of thing? I just I'm just I just I don't know how it's received by all y'all. I guess is my question. I think it'll be a micro blip. Oh, sure. The shooting starts very soon. Oh, sure. It's a very Trumpy thing to do. It's almost guaranteed to be some shooting today, isn't there? Iran isn't just going to allow that blockade to happen. Are they? No, no, they might calculate for a little while, figure out how best to strike. So it might be a couple of days till something crazy happens, but something crazy will happen. Oh, boy. They may hit some ports and, you know, they may hit Dubai again or Saudi or who knows? Well, we got a lot we need to get to. There's another big story that's out on other things. Stay here. Practicing that defiance in 2026. I've been practicing that defiance for many, many years in 2026. Well, I'm going to keep doing that by continuing to lead Napa and civil rights work. I'm also going to do it by wearing whatever I want to at whatever size I happen to be in 2026, bigger, smaller, same, whatever it is. That's how I'm defying the standards of being told what I'm supposed to do with my body and doing what I want to do with my body. And I know that's right. Practicing fat defiance in 26. That's people at Fat Con. What's Fat Con? It's like Comic Con for the overweight, I guess. You get together and celebrate being large. This is a tough topic. Bill Maher talks about this a lot on his show. It's probably tough coming from a rail thin vegetarian, but who smokes? There's both ends of it. Something's going on with our food or whatever that some people can get as big as they are. That just never happened in the past. What, Katie? You're blaming it on the food? You're blaming it on the food? Well, I don't know what it is, but there's something going on that allows some people to get like really, really, really big. That just never happened in the past. I don't know what that is, but to pretend that it's healthy and something to be proud of is kind of a weird direction to go. Boy, in the whole, and it's mostly young women, of course, but the whole, I'm defiant. I'm a rebel. I'm practically a guerrilla warrior for one cause or another thing. My God, that's tiresome these days. Anyway, I don't want to get sidetracked by this because I got this story, Katie. I've already told Joe a little bit of it. We had the story last week about Southwest Airlines was going to start cracking down on people that are too big for one seat, making them buy another seat. And then the pushback was, well, you're profiling people. Of course, the answer is yes. We're looking at people that look like they're too big for one seat and then, you know, going and measuring them. And if they're too big for one seat, we're going to charge them to take it while they either backed off that or haven't implemented the strategy or missed one or something. Because this woman sat in the middle seat with me on Southwest coming back from Wichita, Kansas. And, and, you know, God bless her. I don't know how she she ended up this big could be no fault of her own. Whatever. Let's leave that out of it. She was 500 pounds if she was five pounds. And I mean, she she started to get in. I thought, how's she even going to get into this? How's she even going to get through the and she pushed up both the arm things because there's no way she could sit between the arm thing. I think she sat in the middle because if she sat in the window, you know, the wall doesn't move. And if she sat in the aisle, she'd be in the aisle and people couldn't get through. So she sits in the middle and she was easily half of my seat and the seat on the other side. And I'm basically turned flat up against the wall, like I'm a lizard on the wall or something like that. My arms out and one leg crossed over the other. That's the way I sat for two hours. How is that fair to you as a paying customer? I paid full price. And did you at any point? Did you think of excusing yourself and going and talk to a sturdice? No, no, I did not. I was super tired. I thought maybe I can sleep like this. I was so tired because we flew out at like six in the morning. But I don't I didn't know what to do. If it had been my son with all his OCD problems, he would have not been able to handle it. Somebody pressed up against them the whole time. I don't know. Well, first of all, going to unless I want to have this conversation in front of the lady, which would be awful. How is I going to get out? I mean, there is no way I could go to the bathroom. That's not even on the not even an option for me at any point during the flight. Say, hey, could you excuse me so I could get out? Because there's just no way that she could. I mean, it's such a process for her to get in there, for her to get out. So I could go to the bathroom. So I had to do that and go talk to an air stewardess and say, look, I paid full price. I got half a seat. Can I get either get half my money back or move? But it was a full flight. So somebody was going to have to sit there. Oh, boy. But they got to figure that out. Oh, it was the first time I'd ever seen anybody actually use an extension. She had the extension with her all rolled up and she sat down and she reached like over into my seat and clicked it on and spread it out and wrapped it all the way around her. And then clicked it in. It was like an extra three feet. And then she rested her arms on top of her body and then sat there like that for two hours. Meanwhile, if the top of your backpack sticks out an inch from the seat under in front of you, it's a hazard. Right. Oh, yeah. If there had been like an emergency, we got to get out. I'm dying. There's no getting out of there because she can't get up and I can't get out. So I don't know, Southwest, you're not being too picky. I feel bad for that woman, but that is insane. That just can't happen. Armstrong and Getty. Let's start off with Tucker Carlson, who has been an absolute free fall with Republicans. I mean, just take a look at this. Look at this trend line. Tucker Carlson's net favorable back in March of 2024, when he and Donald Trump were very close friends. Look at this. He was at plus 54 points. Look at where he is today at only plus seven points among Republicans. And that includes GOP leaning independence. I mean, that is a drop of what? Forty seven percentage points. My goodness gracious, when you go up against Donald Trump and you want to appeal to the Republican base to quote the movie Good Burger, you go on the grinder. And that is exactly what has happened to Tucker Carlson, who has absolutely collapsed among Republicans. Well, is it is it all that because he went against Trump or because he outed himself as either completely nuts or shilling for some enemy of the of the United States? One of the two. Tucker, Tucker, Carlson, as they call it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. On the other hand, more people should quote the meat of the movie Good Burger. Well, well done, Harry. My kids love that movie with a young Kenan Thompson. I went from what I used to watch Tucker every single night on Fox and loved a lot of his stuff, too. I think he's one of the most dangerous, awful human beings on earth. And it's not because he went up against Trump that I think that. No, not at all. So I want to talk a little bit about the conspiracy theory thing. We're all familiar with the various, you know, QAnon-ish or what have you. The current bizarro Candace Owens Tucker. It's always the Jews stuff and the psychology behind it by one of our favorite authors. But just by way of example, here is Candace's own tease for her show. This week on Candace and this was last week. But this week on Candace, Candace Owens crosshatches a link between BB Net and Yahoo, Mitt Romney, the CIA and Brigham Young University in Utah. All of this, however, ties back to the Charlie Kirk assassination and the lingering questions surrounding it as alleged shooter Tyler Robinson's trial begins already filled with holes. Candace is determined to get to the truth no matter the cost. And then she mentions the CIA and Erica Kirk and whatever. OK, so that's her own tease for the show. And then the actual producer of the Charlie Kirk show, responding to Candace trolling him, saying, why haven't you played the video? Blah, blah, blah, something to do with that whole grand theory. And Blake Neff, the producer of the Charlie Kirk show, writes Candace, we haven't bothered playing it because we know psychopathic predators like yourself do not care what is true or false and normal, evidentiary logic, evidentiary logic has no effect on you. You're the kind of person who sees coded messages in the number 33. But then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own family members turning him in, playing the audio at blah, blah, blah. You're obviously you'll just say it's an AI or hologram or an Israeli actor or something. So what's the point? We gave up the possibility of any good fifth conversation with you months ago. It's like trying to reason with a maniac, brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway. You're the same thing. Does she she an act or is she actually a maniac? That's what I don't know about her or Tucker. I assume the people who run these things are an act. They've just understood the psychology we're about to talk about and realized you can make obscene riches. Isn't that what we found out about Alex Jones when he was in the courtroom? In fact, he said that in the courtroom, right? Look, it's an act. Yeah, I'm an entertainer. People love this. They've figured out the psychology I'm about to talk about. And quoting Arthur Brooks here, who quoted a couple of times, he now writes for the free press about matters of happiness and psychology. And that sort of thing. You got a new book out that's damned interesting. Yeah, he's super smart. Love, Arthur Brooks. Anyway, quote, they were kidnapping our loved ones and replacing them with a bitter hollow shell of what they once were, which sounds like a line from invasion of the body snatchers or something about aliens from a dying planet coming to earth. Ba-ba-ba. You're replacing humans. But it's not. It's actually a quote from a recent study in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships about the QAnon conspiracy theory, which alleges that the government is the leader of the elite, is dominated by a secret cabal of Satan worshipping cannibalistic, deep state pedophiles. Again, the quote is they're kidnapping our loved ones and replacing them with a bitter hollow shell of what they once were. Yes, you heard right. Cannibalistic. Yes, yes. I mean, if they were merely Satan worshipping deep state pedophiles, that would be bad enough. But by God, the cannibalism is one step too far for me. Anyway, participants in the study described watching the theory take hold of their friends and family members, transforming them beyond recognition. Perhaps this scenario sounds familiar to you. You too may know someone who started doing his own research. Quote, unquote. That's the exact phrase. That's the exact phrase on politics, science or the economy. Then went down an internet rabbit hole of posts claiming that some event or phenomenon was plotted by a clandestine group of powerful people or organizations, usually with sinister or malevolent intentions. Before you know it, he or she seems like a different person. His new beliefs dominate conversations and ruin relationships. Yes, ding ding. Yeah. And then they and then he goes into the fact that our current news cycle has no shortage of online influencers peddling even more ever more outlandish theories. And then he gets into the field of psychology trying to understand why people adopt conspiracy theories. And there are some explanations like in the past few years that have come out that are just they're dumb. I'm not even going to waste your time on them about narcissism or deficiencies in intelligence because that's clearly not true. He quotes J.D. Vance is saying when when Susie Wiles said he was a conspiracy theory for a decade, Vance cleverly responded by saying he believes only in the conspiracy theories that are true. And then they touch on that a lot of conspiracies are conspiracies, whether the untreated syphilis study at Tuskegee, the official discrediting of the lab leak origin of the coronavirus pandemic. And then it turned out that was clearly and always was the most plausible explanation. And they were called nothing more than anti Chinese conspiracy theories. But even as conspiracy theories are completely fictitious and well-nuts, it doesn't require a person to be a stupid narcissist to embrace them. Rather, and let's get down to the main point of this, rather psychologists believe that these narratives can be so compelling to regular people because they meet three deep human needs. The first is epistemic or epistemic, which refers to the need to understand your own environment in an increasingly complex and confusing world. We all have that need. The second is existential, which is to feel safe and in control of one's environment. And the third is social, referring to the need to maintain a positive image of one's self and one's social groups. Now, that one, I don't understand. You're hanging out with some weird people if that gives you some social credit. Yeah, yeah, well, he gets into that in a bit. But another way to account for these needs is that people crave coherence. In other words, an answer to the question of why things happen the way they do from the weather to political events and world affairs. According to a couple of psychologists, he names coherence is one element of the meaning of life, the other to our purpose and significance. Without a sense of coherence, one's life is bereft of meaning, meaning in turn is central to human happiness. I understand all these human tendencies, but I feel like I could sit down with a lot of the people I know who believe some of this stuff and come up with a more believable theory that explains everything usually around human greed. Right. Often. Yeah. Yeah. But he says the embrace of conspiracy theories is a way to gain a sense of coherence for people who otherwise lack it viewed another way. Conspiracy theorizing is a lamentation of helplessness because life feels meaningless. The crisis of meaning lies behind the psychogenic epidemic of depression, anxiety and loneliness that afflicts our afflicts our society today. So the world is confusing. It's ugly. It's seemingly random. And if that makes you feel helpless, you know, like I agree with everything I just said, the world does seem that way. My response to it is, what are you going to do? But if it gives you a feeling of helplessness and there may be other factors in your psychology that leads you there, then life feels meaningless. OK, the other factors. I don't know if he gets into this or not, because this is my current theory based on a couple of people I know. Please. Your life is a mess. It's such a mess. It would be very hard to straighten out. In fact, maybe impossible. Latching on to something like this gives you way more control. Of your thoughts and emotions than dealing with the mess your life has become. So you no longer feel helpless. Right. And your life has meaning. Right. But you but it's driven there by the you you made a mess of your life. So I wonder how often that happens. Right. Right. And then he talks about how religion and civic organizations and just being with people has fallen off so much goes into a bunch of data. And it's shocking every time I see it. But he said, so where do people turn for coherence if they don't trust journalists, doctors, scientists and clergy to tell them the truth? The answer is the Internet where once fringe ideas can propagate with astonishing speed and efficiency. I don't trust any of those people on that list either. Certainly not blindly, not even close to. Right. I'm practically that whole I don't remember where that comes from that. If your mother says she loves you, still get a second source. Yeah, I'm close to that. But yeah, that doesn't make me run to Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson for the answer. That's what I don't get. Why do you believe them? So you don't believe that person. I get it. I don't believe that person automatically either. But you believe them? Candace and Tucker. I guess for all the reasons you just explained. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sure it's a certain personality type and people in certain circumstances. You so well described. And it reminds me, I didn't get it when I heard this the first time that the most terrifying thing you could ever do is spend five minutes in somebody else's mind. But now I get it. If I was in somebody's mind who would tend to fall for that sort of thing. And maybe some of you good folks and I'm not here to judge. I sympathize because you're being led way, way astray. By these people who are just greed heads. But yeah, I I don't get it at all. My Bolas filter or whatever is I don't know. It's too tight. I take no credit for it. It might be genetic. But yeah, it's troubling. Oh, and the one thing that I've thought for a long time and you've heard me say several times is that it there was a natural ecosystem of ideas for mankind. For like our entire existence. Then it changed with the printing press. Then it changed more with broadcasting and became much more immediate. But then the internet has gone crazy. If I had a crazy ass idea, I would bounce it off my neighbors and my friends and maybe the people I worked with, maybe even a girlfriend or two. And if every single time I got, are you serious? Are you out of your mind? No. After a while, I think, oh, must have been mistaken. But you go on the internet and there's no idea so blank and crazy. You can't get an amen from 15,000 people like immediately. It's a crazy reinforcement system. Yeah. So to the whole conspiracy thing, which you described, is that one out of 100 people, one out of a million people? What's the numbers on that? We don't know. And is it growing? I wonder. I wonder. So what he goes into, what's the solution? At the public level, it is to reestablish broader confidence in our institutions that previously provided a sense of care. OK, good. I'll do that this afternoon. I'll get started today. The solution at the individual level, which involves asking what you can do to win back the loved one who's gone down the rabbit hole, starts with a bit of neuroscience. Researchers have found that conspiracy believers exhibit high activation of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. You know, I suspected so. A brain region that's important for self understanding and emotional associations. What else do you suppose involves similar high activation that provides coherence in our lives? Romantic love. Very similar ventromedial prefrontal cortex. So if you know somebody who's a conspiracy net job like this, ask him out or hit on them or tell him you love them. Well, if you want to get married, yeah, as does deep friendship, not coincidentally, these phenomena are negatively associated with holding conspiratorial views. Researchers have hypothesized that love acts as a protective agent against these ideas, whereas social isolation or maybe screwing up your life so much, your connections have broken, increases the likelihood of holding these beliefs. Wow, love. Kerberouy goes the truth bomb. Love holds this stuff at bay. That's wild. That is really interesting. I'm telling you. Yeah, wow, wow, truth bomb. If you don't have that in your life, you got to fill it with something and you fill it with his nonsense. Yeah, that is super interesting. And again, the the Tucker's Carlson and Kendis's Owens and several other names I could check have understood this psychology and they know precisely what buttons to push when and how they're brilliantly evil. So if you hear about somebody who's believing like the worst of the Epstein stuff that George H.W. Bush was eating babies, and you think who would believe that you should be grateful that you clearly have like loving relationships in your life that make that impossible to fit in there. Right, right. Everybody knows George Bush would never eat someone till they were a teenager. Come on. Right. He was an eating underage people. He was a decent man. That's so wow. Yeah, there are lots of people who believe that. The lots. I don't know if it's a million people in the whole country or 10 million. Or 10,000 for that matter. But there's a bunch of people out there to believe it. Any thoughts on this text? Is we can check in on the blockade Wall Street Journal with an update on how the blockade is going there in Iran. Pretty interesting. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty. A video has surfaced in which a quadruple amputee cornhole champion accused of a road rage shooting is seen firing a semi automatic rifle and standing on his head snorting drugs off a dollar bill. So what's stopping you from living your best life? We had that story a couple of weeks ago and didn't even have the details of well, he hadn't been arrested yet, I guess. That videos came out of him doing drugs, standing on his head, whatever. He's a quadruple amputee cornhole champion who murdered a friend with a gun because he's a shooting expert. Yeah, it's quite a story. It sounds like, you know, we have those tall tail contests sometimes like Calaveras County, I think in California holds one. It sounds like the product of some fevered imagination. So we have an update on the Trump post where he looks kind of like Jesus. You went to the website. Yeah, well, while you guys were talking about it, I went to, you know, look at the image itself and it was there on his truth social. And I just went back to grab the link to put it in hot links and it has been deleted. So somebody convinced him it was too much and he took it down. We got this text from somebody who is things were being too critical, not saying he's Jesus after Baba, but he's not saying he's Jesus. He's saying he's ministering and caring for our warriors who give incredible sacrifice. That's all he's doing. Please look at the image. I'm not even going to dignify that argument. Sorry. Dressed in the robes exactly like every portrait of Jesus with divine light emanating from his hands and angels up above him, please. I could change the world, but it's idiotically blasphemous and inappropriate and the statue of liberty over his shoulder and the Lincoln fighter jets in the air and Baldy. I assume set to Lee Greenwood's song. If there were audio, that would be it. Here's an update from the Wall Street Journal on how the blockade is going, which is currently underway of the Strait of Hormuz. According to us, according to Trump, no boats getting in now. No boats. Sorry, Ryan, you ain't making any more money. According to the Wall Street Journal, citing a senior U.S. official, the U.S. blockade of the Strait of Hormuz is now in effect and per the official 15 U.S. warships are in position to enforce the blockade. Will we actually have to bring ordinance to bear to stop a boat from going through? I mean, that's the question. Wall Street Journal asked if a boat goes through, we board it, we bomb it, we. What do we do? Wow, I guess we'll find out. Right. If you miss a segment of this show, get the podcast, Armstrong and Getty on demand. Our four is coming. Armstrong and Getty. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.