This is the Don Levertor Show with this two-guts podcast. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ It's crazy that they're just aliens. No. Like, we knew that, Mike. No, like, we kinda knew that. We don't know. But, like, they're just saying it. You have Congress people just openly saying, get them out. Not illegal, alien. No, no, no, no. No, like, interdimensional beings. We're all the green, little green men. The Martians, like, the ones, you know, you've watched Independence Day. They're here. Yeah, you just have a, a congressman being talks about it. There's tanks of aliens somewhere, you think? There was a congressman that said, like, there are five to six alien bases underwater that I know of. I believe him. Yeah, of course I believe. Why wouldn't you believe a congressman today? Not, not a congressman. Anybody who says it, yeah, okay, sure. We've got aliens here and our mission is... They're living among us. Dan Ritzler crossed off of pizza and eats it. That's huge alien behavior. In fact, all three guys in that studio, if you were to show me... That they were aliens, I'd be like, it checks out. It's likely though, who would be most like... It's Dan and I'll tell you the reason why. Dan is like almost evolved enough. I think Greg and Zaz are don't evolve. My dad's the least actually in this game. I just go back and listen to it. Dan eats pizza. That's pretty easy. Dan says things sometimes from like, wait a second. Why did he say that? Dan always talks weird. Yeah, like, he's kind of an alien. Like, the commissary and it's like, no, it's the kitchen. Why did you come... Tacheless object. They're on to us. The kitchen area, not the commissary. You said the commissary one time. The eating area. That's also another weird thing that an alien would say. Yeah. In a couple years' time, once our mission is carried out, they're all just going to be intergalactic space dust and we will go back to our Lord next to the Nebula Galaxy. And our Lord, of course, is Mad Dog Russo, which I believe everyone... I love the sound. If we told the audience that Wembee was an alien, we'd be like, yeah, well, how did we not see that? Mad Dog Russo is an alien. But before I get to Pablo Torrey, because he's got another one of these reports and it's Newsy and it's got a ton of stuff. And I really don't know whether aspiration is the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg, the iceberg. But I think it might be just the tip of the iceberg. Like, because he's got more crud in here. And I thought aspiration was the iceberg. And we just find tips. But there's more iceberg. Jeremy, what's the update we have on the pizza eating front? Because, Jude, you admit it after the show. You guys are sitting here making fun of me and amongst us, there's someone who tears off the crust before he eats pizza. I was seething yesterday. I feel like I've never been as belligerent on air toward you, on air or off air about anything. Because I was like, this person is not from this planet. I set it on the air. Why would you even want to tear off the crust? Again, take it up with Jude. But forget that part of it. I've seen Jude get an alley. I'm good on there. Forget that part. They're telling us the aliens are here. We're just going on about our day. I've seen Jude's pizza. He doesn't rip off the crust. I've seen him eat it. But I go home. I go home yesterday and I'm complaining to my wife. Because it's sticking with me. I am infuriated about the fact that Dan claims that there are humans on this earth. And then touch the cheese. Rip off the crust before they eat pizza. And then my wife says to me, I do that sometimes. Oh my goodness. And I told her it was a betrayal, a kin to murdering a member of my family. I was so furious about that. And then she says, well, you never seen her do it. And she says, because I said, well, we've been together for 12 years. Like, how have you, you don't do this? I've eaten pizza with you 100 times. And she says, well, normally I would just like do it by myself. Alien do it by myself. It is an alien. But why? Why would you keep the crust like a finger soak it all dirty? It's sanity. We have verified intelligence from the Soviets that they had an interaction with beings that are not from this planet. He's turned into stone. Turns out my wife's not from this planet. Pablo Torrey finds out is still finding out. He had another 5am drop that is haunting the clippers. And I really don't know what's the most interesting thing. In here, I will ask Pablo. But here is some of the updating around some of the reporting. We will say allegedly about all things because the clippers are denying all things. There is a Jerry West voicemail in which he calls the Lakers a shit show. And the hints, the strong sniffs that the, that Balmer was interested in Kauaias long back is 2017. And there's more stuff here on how many side deals are beyond the aspiration deal. Pablo's again got emails. He's got contracts. He's got documents. He's got three separate lawsuits. Again, a lawsuit doesn't mean that it's proof. One of the lawsuits has been dismissed by a judge. But they have valuable information in there that suggests, among other things, that the clippers had a side deal allegedly with Uncle Dennis to make sure that he got a percentage okayed by Lawrence Frank again, alleged, alleged to hire Kauaias trainer, which you're not allowed to do if you're trying to keep things above board on the salary cap. So Uncle Dennis has an assortment of LLCs but I'll allow Pablo to come in here now. Thank you for joining us Pablo. The episode is flying right now. Pablo Torrey finds out because he's the only place any of this information is coming. I thought he was doing this story just because the All-Star game is in Los Angeles. The clippers are hosting it in Balmer. I thought it was a timeliness grab. No, there's a ton of new information inside of this Pablo. What would you say is the most? What if we never tossed a Pablo and we just keep talking? What is the most interesting thing in there? Look, I want to start with a quote from, and thank you for having me, a quote from Michael Winger who was the clippers GM at the time, which I've confirmed from multiple sources inside the building. Quote, how many fucking side deals have we made with Kauai? And so what does that mean? How many side deals are there? You get to the stuff that Dan was alluding to. And one of these things, by the way, is documentation that aspiration is just the tip. It starts in 2017 when Kauaias was with the spurs. And the question as always is, what is the Balmer known when did he know it? Well, in 2017, when Uncle Dennis and the spurs and Kauai are having their falling out over medical disputes and personal information, they go and they get Randy Shelton, who was Kauaias trainer, his personal Tim Grover, as he put it in the episode in 2017. And they tell him, we're gonna hire you if Kauai comes to this team. Tim Grover is Michael Jordan's trainer famously. So just the guy who's working on Kauaias body, forgive me for offering the contest. But the most famous sports trainer there's been is Tim Grover, Michael Jordan's trainer. Right, so I'll just take it chronologically because they recruit Kauai in 2017. They hire this assistant GM Marqueuse, who is also a former San Diego State guy. They said Marqueuse to talk allegedly to Randy Shelton more than a dozen times. They promise him a job, Laurence Frank allegedly talks to Randy Shelton, promises him a job and what is not so clear until now is that Uncle Dennis is being used as Randy Shelton's agent. And so we have Randy Shelton's contract. There's this dispute going on in LA court. It's a private mediation right now. The clip is of course deny everything. Randy Shelton does the opposite. But we have this document that shows that Uncle Dennis is the representative, the listed representative on Randy Shelton's contract, on his extension now into 2021. Right, and so what does that mean? It means that after the MBA investigated, the clippers and Uncle Dennis for Capsulear Convention and all this stuff in 2019, they were still directly doing business with the guy. I am told, in order to get him money directly via the commission on the trainer that they shouldn't have been talking to when he was a San Antonio spur associated employee of Kauai Leonard. It's still possible. Are you guys following this? You basically have a trail that leads back to Balmer trying to get to Kauai since 2017. The most powerful sports owner there is allegedly trying to do everything inside of this to ignore what are understood rules of the sport because he doesn't have the respect rules of the sport if there are no legal consequences to not respecting rules of the sport. Again, all alleged. But the thing that I keep on juxtaposing this against Dan is the idea that Steve Balmer in the present tense is saying now in this other lawsuit filed by 11 aspiration investors that he did thorough due diligence on aspiration. And of course, we have documentation, the email chain, the privileged information with Balmer's chief investment officer and his lawyers and aspirations lawyers that show that, oh, wait a minute, he did this in an insanely fast time frame at the founder of aspirations urging. And now Steve Balmer says that I did thorough due diligence and still I got scammed, right? And so all of this is to show that when Steve Balmer does thorough due diligence, he does it thoroughly. He does it years before it's even able to go get Kauai Leonard. And so then you mentioned the voicemail, right? It take this to another lawsuit that was filed. And this one has to smith because Johnny Wilkes was the man who filed this suit is the high school basketball teammate of Dennis Roberts and Uncle Dennis. And he was saying I was promised $2.5 million by Jerry West to bring Kauai Leonard to the clippers. And of course, he didn't have a written contract. That's a through-lide in the story of Johnny Wilkes in this case. But here is the voicemail that Jerry West leaves Johnny Wilkes that illustrates how much of a full court press of thorough due diligence the clippers have been doing. This one from 2019. I can't believe you got this. Yes, Jerry, calling. I really want to thank you a lot for trying to help not hurt this morning that everyone over in the Lakers can. Thanks for going to get in. I just find it hard to believe that he would want to go to that show where he would not even be winning any name in the paper. And he wouldn't be the face of the franchise after true. He might be the best player on the team, but hope things are well. And well, again, I really, really appreciate everything you've done. Jerry West as the logo and a Laker, calling the Lakers a shitshow and the recruitment of Kauai Leonard. It's like the fifth most interesting thing in this episode. If I had to rank it and I found it super interesting. Yeah. And we have texts between Jerry West and Steve Valmer, who's being kept updated by Jerry West about all of this. This is Jerry West. By the way, texting Johnny Wilkes the plug for Dennis Robertson just wanted to thank you for your help. If you would go to the Lakers, he would be LeBron's caddy. So this is head to head Lakers versus Clippers. The Clipper is to see this is existential. They need Kauai Leonard to save Doc Rivers later say, if we didn't get Kauai Leonard, we should just move the team to Seattle. OK. And he said, I meant that. It was a joke, but I meant that. That's the stakes of this for the Clippers. That's why Steve Bombers putting all of this money in. And Jerry West, by the way, who was a former, of course, executive with the Warriors, who was famed for his recruiting there. Dennis Wong, who was the co-owner of the Clipper, Steve Bombers college buddy, the lone limited partner he has on the team, who's come up in this series before. There's another aspiration investor, a guy who was in on this whole scheme, a cordon wire reporting. He's the guy who says, we got to get Jerry West. And Jerry West is deployed to do this. OK. And so it's Steve Bomber. It's Lawrence Frank. And then this array of guys, Jerry West, Mark Hughes, they're reaching out to Johnny Wilkes to Randy Shelton. And it takes us, by the way, to the present tense when four-year extension is the announcement for Lawrence Frank. Can we stop there? Can we stop there for a second, guys, and sort of absorb that in the middle of this scandal. And Pablo's showing you the documentation that allegedly links Lawrence Frank very completely. It's meticulous. It's got addresses on it on how it is that the circumvention is happening, how it is the Kauai Leonard. I don't know where it takes a $9 million discount. Lawrence Frank, after that disaster of a press conference before the season signs an extension, and that could look like, oh, I got to keep this guy on my side. He knows everything. Like, I've got to keep paying this guy to make sure that he doesn't tell anybody anything that links me to anybody if I need a fall guy a few years from now. And that's not abstract conjecture. That is NBA executives telling me they view Lawrence Frank's extension as quote unquote, bomber, bomber hush money, as it seems like maybe someone with lots of money trying to disrupt my internet connection here. Do we have that though, Dan? The Lawrence Frank presser, because I just want to make clear. Like, Lawrence Frank got asked about this stuff once. No one else wants to talk about this, but he got asked about it at media day. And here was what he said about the rules. We haven't learned anything more than we have back in September. And to be honest with you, it doesn't impact anything we do. We know it's out there. We know at some point there'll be a decision made. We very much feel the same thing that we told you back in September that we're on the right side of this. And then whenever they make the decision, they make the decision, but it really doesn't impact anything we do on a daily basis. So the part that I have not talked about yet until this part of the timeline, right? We're going back in time to 2017. We're also finally getting to the post aspiration era, aspiration. Keep in mind, bankruptcy filing, right? They oak a while entered $7 million, according to the paperwork that I've been filed with the government. He is a creditor. And so what's interesting is that aspiration collapses. They owe him $7 million. And Kawai Leonard signs this extension in January of 24, right? January 24, he signs a sub-max extension. He leaves money on the table then. That's what you were just alluding to. And the question is, why would this guy, who has extracted money via Uncle Dennis, as much as anyone has ever seen before in pro sports at every possible edge? Why would he take a discount? And what we show in this episode is that perhaps coincidentally, I guess, three new LLCs are created with Uncle Dennis as the representative, as the manager, the guy on the paperwork in the week before that. And so our investigation, when you say aspiration, is just the start, this is what I mean. It is documentation and signals everywhere in a pattern, by the way, that starts with Randy Shelton, who started KL2 Performance LLC in 2017. Let's not forget that. That was the first of the KL2s into now January of 24. With KL2RIFC, KL2RIFC real estate LLC. And all of this stuff is signaling that the story in many ways is just starting. Can you believe that? If the NBA cares about it. 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That sounds like a not a super nice night. The debate. Old people love that shit. Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Old people do love that shit. And I'm old now. So we can't do that anymore. Now? DCC Dan Libertard show with its two gods. Can you believe that part? Okay. Just understand when Pablo is doing eight installments of this. All right. This was the first episode where I was like, wait a minute. The original story was shocking. Wait, this is going to get a lot worse than this. Like, it's going to be more than just $48 million for a no-show job. It's also going to have Kawaii taking nine million in discounts that we can chronicle. Because God knows how many places some of this could have been existing if the world's richest sports owner is trying to conceal from everybody in a meticulous fashion that he's not going to play by the NBA's rules because how are you going to touch him if he can do it creatively? Like, I really was shocked as I was listening to this to be like, wait a minute, aspiration can't be the tip of the iceberg. It has to be the iceberg. But here's the thing that keeps on happening to Steve Balmer and Lawrence Frank. So they keep trusting people to keep a secret that they care about very, very deeply, which is NBA rule-breaking. So they trust Randy Shelton who sews them in court. They trust Johnny Wilkes who sews them in court. They trust aspiration, which is now blown up, of course, in court. And there is one document here. So the question has always been, you know, if you're going to play ahead the game here, like who's the fall guy? And I think Thorough Run the League is Lawrence Frank would be the guy who has a four-year extension. He has the alleged hush money. He has a payout if anything happens to him, okay? But the question is, what touches Steve? And so at every step here, what I'm doing in 2017 and on is showing you Steve Balmer was in the loop. He was authorizing this. Lawrence Frank, your president of Aspire Operation is not do things. Rogue, he does it at your authorization. And so there is one document that I've been told about by multiple aspiration sources, okay? And this is the part where it brings us back to aspiration in the present tense because there are two reasons why I'm in this prison of reporting. One is the bankruptcy filing of aspiration, which revealed KL2, aspire LLC. The other one is the fact that Joe Sanberg, the co-founder of aspiration, one of these guys that Steve Balmer trusted, who he realized later on too late, I shouldn't have trusted this guy to deceive the NBA, that guy got arrested by the FBI and is awaiting sentencing. He's a hearing in April. And what I'm told by multiple aspiration employees is that the reason Joe Sanberg got arrested, the domino that tipped all of this stuff over, that started a federal investigation that finally got Steve Balmer out of the aspiration business, was because he was a person who was because there was at least one whistleblower inside the company who went directly to the federal government and submitted presumably in writing, presumably under penalty of perjury, a complaint. And that complaint was the roadmap to get everybody else who committed criminal acts actually in trouble. And the question that has been raised me over and over again. This is important. The thought is did that whistleblower under penalty of perjury in writing, mentioned Steve Balmer and circumventing the NBA salary cap in writing, did they put it into that complaint that started everything? Because if that document exists, that is the closest thing you could ever have to a smoking gun on letterhead under government supervision. And if that exists somewhere, then the NBA cannot possibly say this was a rogue president of basketball operations. This was from the very top with the richest men and sports. Pablo, will anyone have the guts to ask the commissioner about this at all star weekend? I don't think so. I don't. I mean, I've been, look, I've been canvassing media members. I sadly, Dan, like again, thank you, Dan, for paying for the reporting, for having me on the show. I have back channel to lots of other people with shows and they don't want to touch it because they don't get it because they think nothing is going to happen because they're like wake me up when the punishment comes. And I'm like the whole point here is to use journalism in public to hold accountability up as a goal for everybody to still strive for. Waiting for the NBA to punish this, you're waiting for the system that enabled it to punish itself. And anybody expect them to do anything they didn't have to do. And so all you can do is ask your question, is ask questions, but I don't think people really are in the mood for doing that. That's the shame of it. Well, let me ask the group here because I don't know if it's a founding principle of Pablo Torrey finds out necessarily, but it's certainly become one of its ideals as it's going on. Pablo is tweeting that he's committed to using journalism to doing something that feels increasingly impossible, holding billionaires accountable. And this is the richest one of all, but I do feel like the room is bored. I feel like the room on the details of some of this. I feel like everyone is like, oh, wake me up when there's a punishment. I'm not the least bit bored, but it's very overwhelming. And that's why other podcasts don't want to touch this because it's dense. It's complicated. But the thing that I can't get out of my mind is the idea that Steve Balmer can't be the only billionaire owner in the NBA or in sports in general, who has invented this kind of stuff. This is really hard to prove, though. Let's prove it once before we prove it with everyone. What this lays out, though, and this stuff is really, really difficult to document. Imagine how hard it must be to show information that Steve Balmer, with that power and that money, does not want seen by anybody. His fellow owner's least of all because this isn't a crime. It's just a shame that we'll make him someone who wants to win so badly that he's willing to cheat, like that he's willing to cheat in a way allegedly that Pablo's got not only receipts on, but timeline that is super, super incriminating in just appearances, in just optics. But it's really hard to pin down what would be identifiable proof the way he's laying in out, though, and he's done an exceptional job. Samson and a mean have been exceptional helping put the framework and the new world around how it is that it really works in the halls of power because they've been close to these halls of power. What you're doing, Pablo, I think is so thick that it is hard to consume, but he's the only place that the information is coming from and I see people going there in hundreds of thousands because they do want it. Why don't more want it? Why don't most want it? Because the cost benefit analysis, what you cost, what you risk, what you lose is access. You lose the ability to be protected legally, potentially, depending if you, whether you know what you're talking about or not. You also lose favor with, frankly, the NBA itself, right? All-star weekends are party. I get it. I loved all-star weekends. It's the biggest holiday in the NBA calendar. To be the turt and the punch bowl is not what I want to be. It's why, by the way, I mean, I'll ask him is he doing Arnold Schwarzenegger impressions. That's why David Samson, his eyes are degrading and he has to get increasingly strong glasses because I'm forcing him, like a lab rat, to read documents which he loves, but to do it on camera in front of everybody to see how people actually talk when presented with evidence. I mean, Dan, the thing about this story, the reason why this has been one of the most traffic episodes we've done on the show so far, is simply because people are realizing there is a way that the NBA media talks about this stuff in groupchettes. Privately. Threatened bar? They all talk about it. I'll start weekend this weekend. You can guarantee they're going to be whispering about it, but they wouldn't dare take the effort to report it out and risk something in public. There are some exceptions here and there, and I welcome them to jump into the pool because the water has been warmed for a while. But that's the difference. Do you want to know the truth or do you want to know what the apparatus is telling you? You should stop asking questions about because is it really going to get punished anyway? That's the problem. Let me ask the question of the group here because I am curious about this, right? Joe Rogan is one example, makes or made an entire empire out of believing in conspiracies and it being profitable. Then presented with the Epstein actual one, now that's one that he doesn't quite believe in the way that he believes in all the ones that didn't have any proof. What's happening here with this as a conspiracy? It is the rarest of things to have a reporter digging in on this kind of documentation, contracts, emails, texts, like it's hard work. So what's happening when the conspiracy is presented to you? Why wouldn't the entirety of the media grab that? Is it that much of a cabal? Is the whole thing that compromise that what Pablo is saying is true? I don't believe that that can be true. That NBA media is so interested in protecting its economy that it doesn't dare touch this. I believe NBA media looks at this and says, I can't do it. It's too much, it's too sprawling. I can't do the reporting on this. It's too hard to do the reporting. I mean most sports journalists are lazy because they think of what they're covering as the toy store. Pablo is exactly right. This should be a much bigger story in the other media than it is. It should be the overarching story of an all-star weekend hosted by of all teams, the LA Clippers, but it might not even be touched because we'd rather write the fun feature about women. I don't think it's lazy though. I think it's too hard to get on. It's too daunting. It's too daunting. That's fair. I want to be fair about this. So the reason why we do this in fairness to every other media member in the NBA who's like, look, I just want to cover the games, man. I want to talk about how all of this is shaping up on the court, right? I'm okay with that because on some level that leaves this niche to me. That's why we are distinguished in comparison. The thing that I urge people to realize though is that this is like a true NBA crime story that is a conspiracy, that's not a conspiracy. This is the story of someone for whom money is no object and rules prevent him as the richest man in sports, a guy with $140, $50 billion, from just spending in the way that he thinks he should be able to spend. There are rules against that. Do rules matter in the NBA? Do they matter in society? Do they matter in government? This is part of why I care about this stuff. It is because sports are a metaphor, but they're also reality. It's reality because the question of and Greg raised a good question that I've heard a lot. Could there possibly be other owners who do something similar? But I've always said is that this is a function of degree. No one has the ability to buy the rest of the NBA combined. This guy does. No one was the CEO of the foremost monopoly in America, Microsoft, when the American government's antifrust department was coming after them for monopolistic behavior and anti-competitive practices. That was Steve Bomber. Steve Bomber didn't give a shit about the rules around competition when it came to the actual federal laws. You think he cares about the NBA salary cap when he thinks that the whole might makes right great man theory of capitalism is I have the most money you're preventing from being as deservedly great as I already am. Keep in mind, dude was punished for capture convention with the Andreid Jordan in 2015. Because another team sponsor Lexus, okay, punished. 2019 investigated for capture convention with co-I Leonard related directly to some of the stuff we're talking about which the NBA apparently either saw or did and see both of which are kind of embarrassing right with Randy Shelton and with Johnny Wilkes. That's 2019. And now of course we come to the third capture convention investigation in his tenure related to stuff that they already got cleared for because the NBA didn't really look into it that hard or so it would seem. And now on top of that you have Randy Shelton's lawsuit, you have Johnny Wilkes lawsuit and you have 11 aspiration investors who are alleging that this dude aided an abetted fraud. And I'm not saying that he did. I'm merely saying in totality this is how documents shake loose and it could be really boring to read a bunch of documents but I guarantee if you see the timeline unfold and we will make a master timeline for everybody. I promise to you in the next couple of weeks to make it very, very easy as easy as we can. When you see it all in order you realize this is an insult to your intelligence as a sports fan and it's also really funny because they tried it to get away with it and that's the needle we're trying to thread. Don Lebertard. Surely every time you're watching this you recognize that your wife is laughing that she married Larry Dayton. Yeah, I do. Yeah, one of the great characters in the history of television in my humble opinion and to my credit my personality in my humble opinion followed by to my credit. To my credit. It's amazing. My personality does. It's just amazing. Free date, curvy or enthusiasm. Stugats. Oh wow. I'm not going to say Larry David. Okay. You copy. All right, put it on the poll, please, Jude. You did Greg Cody, copyright being an asshole long before Larry David. You see it down, Lebertard show with this to got. Going to the journalist element of it like it is more complicated for these local media members who cover individual teams when they go out to all-star game to ask these questions because for them they're looking for job security, right? In a media landscape that's shifting the way that it is, do you want to be the troublemaker? Do you want to be the person who's asking the tough questions when you're making your money off of the team that you cover giving you information and they're your sources? Now they might be looking at you asking those questions as who knows? Maybe they're trying to cover up similar types of things as we're talking about. All of these owners and all of these general managers are looking for potential shortcuts to win. Do you really want to be the person that now potentially loses out on sources because of that? In this specific landscape where journalism already isn't being funded, why are you going to join the fray of the sort of outcasts of the league? Pablo, the thing that I think though was most revelatory in an episode that has an assortment of revelations and it is tying all this back to 2017. Putting the scent out there of, oh, the world's most powerful rich sports owner has wanted something badly for eight years. Yeah, Jeremy was talking too long. It was too long. It was too long. It's always too long. It's always too long. I relate. Thought you wanted us to act in, Dan. That part, Dan, the whole like this goes way back and Steve Balmer has every resource to do it. I mean, this is where the NBA, right, is an on-court thing. If you're a fan of the Spurs, let alone the Spurs front office. If you're a fan of the Raptors, let alone a member of the Raptors front office, you're watching and I've heard from those camps already. You're watching this episode and you're thinking, how is there not some compensation that we are due because of how the Clippers did this? Because they sent emissaries out with one job years before this guy was a free agent when he was under contract specifically. It's just, what I say, it's like a mockery of the rules. I mean that both like, yes, this is textbook, like, bad corporate behavior. It's also a mockery in the sense that it's really funny. All the characters here are ridiculous. They're ridiculous people. Lady Sheldon, the trainer is talking about, he wants to make co-I Leonard a human avatar. Like the movie avatar. Johnny Wilkes has this YouTube channel that no one's noticed in which he's offloaded all of these scraps of evidence and he's like Uncle Dennis's size pool teammate. He's just like, guy. You know, all of these characters, Lawrence Frank is out here trying to not lie in public while effectively and demonstrably lying in public. Steve Balmerdow is hiding somewhere and he's about to be out of his cave to say welcome to the Intuitum, the richest palace in the history of sports. Welcome to this place that was built in ways that no one should ever know about because all of it hinged on, can we get a superstar? Can we get co-I Leonard? And that brings us back to the fact that, oh yeah, co-Is there too. So don't grist to cut out Jeremy's question, please. There was no question. There was no question. Just be ramble. This is what I want you guys to do. All right. This is what I want you guys to imagine because I close my eyes sometimes when he's talking and I imagine him strolling into the room spinning a parasol. Like it's just how it always starts. You sometimes look down and don't look at me while I'm talking. I close my eyes. I close my eyes because he can't just come in and ask the question, look, I can be long winded, okay? I can be obviously more so than ever these days. But it's always strolling in spinning a parasol. Like everyone's here to see me, right? I know. He knows how to speak. We, honestly, that question was toast before he asked it. We rattled him so much. They were staring at him already saying, if you think you're family, before I even started doing this, this is the time and place where you'd ask one of your questions, go right ahead. Tony Bale, I saw Tony Bale. Tony Bale. No, my issue is that my window closed because Pablo ended up talking for another seven minutes after I wanted to say something. Pablo Torrey finds out is the podcast, go, all the information is there. We haven't actually spoiled it. I did think the best thing in the episode, I mean, it's never been better with his impersonation. I mean, it is incredible. It's the best he's ever been with his impersonation. Peak, peak, I mean, is what you get in this episode if nothing else. He has never been more expert and more on point as Arnold Schwarzenegger. See you later, Pablo. Thank you. Thank you, Tony and I. Tony and I were mezzadourim Bane on the edge, waiting for Gain. You got this stuff. That ball. I saw it though. I saw it though. This is what I saw in the front end though. I saw Tony was blocking with Jeremy. He had Tony turned signs in the middle. I saw the ball with staff. I saw Tony become a pass rusher when he started the play as an offensive lineman. He was lined up next to Jeremy's like, I don't like my team anymore. Now I'm a pass rusher. Yeah, I went you go and then oh, Mike has something to say. Yeah, you guys go before me. I'll go on the back end of that. No. You think your family. You went on the back end and then we got you. It was like a 90-minute- What a clothed twist. Me at the quarterback. It was a costume change. He started it and he started in the stance where he was going to drop back into pass blocking with Jeremy to protect the quarterback. And he turned around, changed uniforms. Ran on top. I'm kidding. It's 3.2, Dan O. There were like three logical endpoints. Once he was like, and journalism isn't being funded anyways. I'm like, oh, was looking for a yes and from somebody. Oh, shit. Why did he do that? I do pull for him. But not that time. We've got a holy trinity between Pablo, me and Jeremy of Unlikable. And so again, I was likable until you guys positioned me as online. The question was a minute long. I was likable too until we added an assortment of personalities that are into gods. And then it became less likable. Again, a holy trinity, Jeremy, you got to do work to be less likable than me and Pablo combined because that was some real scolding of the NBA media we just did. And then you came in. They're all just protecting their jobs. I have the question. Do we want to relive it? Yes, please. Yes. Do we have enough time? Please journalist element of it. Like it is more complicated for these local media members who cover individual teams when they go out to all-star game to ask these questions because for them, they're looking for job security, right? In a media landscape that's shifting the way that it is, do you want to be the trouble maker? Do you want to be the person who's asking the tough questions when you're making your money off of the team that you cover giving you information? Half an arrow. They're your sources and now they might be looking at you asking those questions as who knows? Maybe they're trying to cover up similar types of things as we're talking about. Like all of these owners and all of these general managers are looking for potential shortcuts to win. If you think that your family, do you really want to be the person that now potentially loses out on sources because of that? Twenty seconds left. In this specific landscape where journalism already isn't being funded, why are you going to join the fray of the sort of outcasts of the league? Pablo, the thing. I'm going to go ahead and go make a song. I'm going to go make a song and I'll be back at the end of the next hour. I'm going to go make another song for a sponsor. You guys said it. Cut them off, man. Yeah, well, even if you had a clock it's sharper than that. What happened? You let them go for a minute and a half. I eventually just cut them off before whatever the dismount was. It's like whatever he thinks the parasol and the gymnastics routine is. I came in and took him at the ankles just as he was hitting the pommelhorn. Like he's, I'm going to nail the dismount here. Why are you just sitting in the middle of it? I was like, man, this room is getting muggy. Cody's goatee is longer than it was when the question began.
