Episode 496 w/ Teddy Riley

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Where everyday is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Chance. Drink up, motherfucker. What up, it's DJ EFN. And this is Militant, Make Crazy Royal, Yappy Hour. Make some noise! When I tell you, this man is an icon. This man is a legend. This man has shaped, he has made so many babies throughout this world. Because the music that Dave was making babies to, he was making it for you. For decades and decades and decades. They said he grabbed a guitar at three years old and was making beats then. I'm making that one. This man is a legend. He's a legend, a legend. From all the icons that he's worked with and he's... This is something that I've been wanting to do for so many years. When we started this show, we said that we wanted to give people that paved the way before us. And this is a legend. This is a real icon. This is a person that when you look up, I'm sorry to say it, but when you look up music, his pictures are going to be right there. Music! Not black music, not hip hop, not R&B music, period! This man has done the way... The reason why most of us is here and we won't give you your flowers today. We want to show you how much you mean to us. And in case you don't know who we're talking about, the one, the only, the impeccable, motherfucking tiny volume. Fucking tiny volume. Fucking tiny volume. Fucking tiny volume. Before I get into everything, right, I'm going to tell you what is a great moment with me, right? Me and you are watching Pharrell's movie, right? We're both watching Pharrell. I'm sitting across from each other. And this is how I know you're a real person. I saw genuine love. When you saw him on the... That screen, I was sitting right directly behind you. So I got to see you, like, how I'm looking at EFN right now. And I saw you and it looked... And the only other time I've ever saw this in life, I mean, in music business, let me just limit it to that, was one time I went with Nas and he watched Rock Him perform. And I saw the joy in Nas face watching his... That's his leader, right? And this is your protege. This is... I know you're a humble guy. But I saw the happiness in your face. I got to see it and I was like, that is so rare and seldom that people like... You show that love to... You know what I'm trying to say? I sincerely saw that, man. I was so happy. I'm always forever proud. And then I remember me talking to you and I was like, you know I didn't know what the fuck I was doing in this movie and you said, me neither. Yeah, me neither. It was five years before. Okay, so let's say from there, did you know this was a Lego movie? Because I didn't know till I was in there. I was told it was an animated movie. Ain't that what I told you? Yeah. They never said Lego, they said animated. Animation. Okay, they lied to you just like... You understand when the trailer came out, we were trying to tell them how big it was and he still didn't understand. I was like, no, I don't get it. I mean, same thing. Somebody called me and said, yo, your studio's coming down. Like, let's just drop in. I was like, whoa. So when I first saw it, I said, this is crazy. What's next? And then it shows a little snippet of me and I was like, oh, I look funny. I had the big girl, the big girl, spitting my teeth and everything. She was really wide. I was like, okay, this is dope. Then I changed clothes. In the movie. Yeah, I don't... That's like you were real like, this is different. I had a different car. I had a different car. So it's so dope. Like, you know, we've been doing this. We're going on 10 years. 10 year anniversary. Next month? 10 years. And what I like to do is, you know, I want to do research and I got to say, and I said this a couple of times, but what I got to say is your history, it's probably the richest history I've ever like really like Googled and like just got, because like you controlled music for maybe four decades. Yeah, I've been in this for this is my 40th year. This is your 40th year, right? And I'm looking and I'm like, damn, bro, you know what's crazy? I don't remember not knowing you. Like, since I was... Since you were wearing music. Since I was a real... That's what's crazy. I feel like I know you my whole life and I know I don't. But that's the same thing. That's how... I feel the same way because you come in through for us. That's right. That's right. Grandchildren. That's right. That's what that's... That was the beauty part of seeing that too, because obviously I had an album before I met Pharrell, but when that Pharrell took a chance on me and I took a chance on him. Right. Right. But let's take it to the beginning now, right? A lot of people credit you from Virginia, right? And they say that he's one... A lot of people don't know, not only you from Harlem, but you're from the toughest part of Harlem that probably ever existed. This bitch is with you, Rich Porter. Yeah. Who went to high school together? You went... Okay, time out. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because a lot of people don't know that. Like, you know... That was your peer. Huh? That was literally your peer. Yeah. I mean, it's my big brother. Yeah. You know, when we were in high school, we used to scramble. Scramble? Gamble. Oh, gamble. Okay, yeah. I heard you're a gambler. High school with me, D-Furg. D-Furg, yes. Wait, wait, wait. How about A-Sat-Furg is like my nephew. Yes. A-Sat-Furg, which is D-Wurgs. I went to school with his father. Yes. It's crazy. So all of the fathers, you know, our sons, you know, y'all... Yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. We were taking it. So D-Furg used to do all of our trucks. He did all the graffiti on our jeeps, our Pathfinders, Wow, that's crazy. MVPs, you know, MPPs. MPPs, you said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew exactly what you meant. Don't worry about it. But yeah, I went to school with almost everybody from the hood. Right. But I lived in every borough, though, except Staten Island. Except Staten Island. I lived in Brooklyn. Okay, wow. We started Uptown. Oh, wow. I lived in Queens, but not Long. Okay. I lived in the Bronx when I moved from the projects. That was the first place I moved was Riverdale. Okay, yeah, Riverdale. And we got to some problems up there. That's before they had a Starbucks. Now they got a Starbucks out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And then I moved to Jersey in Biggie's old house. Oh, in Great Neck. Right. Okay. So how does, because I want to stay there for a second. People know who Rich Porter and Al Poe is now, right? Were you ever, like, were you ever felt like you were in like danger or like just being around them or they was just like, oh, that's my guys. Yup. Al Poe, last time I see Al Poe, I was, it's 2019. So when he came home. At the Apollo. Okay. He came to my dressing room. Okay. You know, even though he killed my best friend. All right. You know, we have to learn how to forget, you know, thing life is short. I knew it when it came from us, but I knew a lot of people, you know, was, they had, That's how close you was to Rich Porter. I think you just said that's your best friend. Wow. It's like my brother. I mean, Rich Porter, him and AZ kicked me off the street. I heard you say that. I would like to read, but it wasn't, I got kicked off of like about three or four. For good reasons though. Before Blots, because they knew I was into music and that's right. So Rich Porter was just giving me a, give me money and just like, yo, I need you to stay with the show. Trying to protect you. Yeah. But at one point, I'll pull put about $2 million in my trunk. Oh, actually California. Presenting the guy album to MCA. And my brother, Markel from Rex and the fake had my car. He pulled up on my buddies and take this briefcase putting it in your trunk. Tell your brother I want to be in the music business. Oh, and I said, I said, get that shit back. He said, give it back. Tell him you ain't, I'm going to be in California for a while. Right. And, you know, I'll talk to him when I get back. So I'll point out, you know, we always had that. That's how we went to Virginia Beach. Do you know there, the cause, we all the cause of growing in Virginia Beach. We used to charter a bus. Right. And just take a bunch of girls and everybody would just go down there and just go to Kings Dominion, you know, just have fun. Have the jet skis. And when I went down there, I just said, yeah, I said to my fiance at the time, my ex, I said, if I moved anywhere, I want to move here. Not thinking there's no music. There's no scene. There was nothing for me to grab on to. I had to create that. And that's what I did. I created jobs for people. Yeah. I created places for kids to go and things for kids to do to stay off the streets. And it definitely worked. I had, Shue Allen Iverson was on my celebrity basketball. I remember. And Kevin Garnett, you know, all of them came down, Penny Hardaway. They came down. Everybody always wanted to see what is going on in Virginia Beach that everybody's just keep going down there. And like you said, there's something is in the water. Oh yeah. Definitely. You believe that there's something in the water? It's always is. Always have been. That's why we went down there. You know, when I went down there, it was just nobody was like Jimmy Buffett, you know, and I just said, you know what? It's very always like, yo, you sure you don't want to go back to New York? I was like, nah, you're just staying here. But they thought we was drug dealers. Yeah. I think we have for always everything. And we had to prove ourselves to these these cops because they kept coming into the studio, investigating us. And we finally got to them. And they said, you know, they was asking us what could we do for the community? Or maybe you can help us. And we went to we asked them to introduce us to the principal of the school where Pharrell went to school and Chad and Longby Ho. We we talked to the principal and we asked him, could we do some challenge shows here? He said, oh, I mean, one condition. Can all students participate? I said, of course, that's the purpose of us doing it here. And one thing led to another. We had the first talent show and everybody is, you know, we had judges that came down, some from New York and Tammy Lucas was there and she was one of the judges. And I have to give Tammy the credit because, you know, Tammy was like, you got to check these young boys out, you know. They playing on tables and shit, you know, like banging on tables and spitting fire. So I said, I'm going to check them out. Everybody was going for the people singing, I always love you. The greatest love of all somebody who hold a long note and everybody's that's not it. Well, Pharrell got on. They didn't have the concept, but they came out and he was spitting. It was a talent show. Okay. They started switching instruments. I was like, that's it. Yeah. As you picked them to win the talent show. Crazy. Yeah. I was like, nah, yeah, I'm going backstage. I'm going to talk to them. And I always felt like I owed you money because Tammy Lucas, you just brought her up. A lot of people don't know. Tammy Lucas is that voice that you hear. What? What? Yeah, I know that. What? And for years, people would come up to me and say, you know, that's, that's, that's Teddy Riley, all this. And I would be like, holy shit. Who do I owe? So I didn't know, but that's a, that's a, that's an unhidden gym right there. She's amazing. You know, we're, we're actually cranking up the new, new Jack swing tour. And we just sold out at Miramar, sold out a concert. And I didn't think I could do it by myself. And I just say, you know what sell out, sell out. But the mayor told us, you know, the only ones that sold out here. Wow. Let's make some noise for that. But we are supposed to come back for jazz in the garden and something else we're performing at. And I said, I'm going to bring high five. I'm going to bring everybody. Wow. Duggy fresh. Wow. And I just said, you know, I just want to open up shop and, you know, we're looking at places here just, you know, kind of, because my wife, you know, she, her family lives here. I said, you know, let's get a second home here. That's right. And just kind of start something. So I'm going to bounce around a little bit. Kids at work. Was that don't look them up. I heard you. I specifically heard you. And you said, do not look that up. And I had to. You look them up. And you put it up to. I had to. And I'm like, holy shit. For people who's starting out, right. I mean, he makes fun of me all the time. My first MC name was MC Yahoo with the ball to be. So kids at work is better. But let's take us to those days. What was that you did to you guys to form that group? Actually it was Timmy Gatlin. Okay. Wow. The original member of Guy. Okay. Wow. And the other guy is our big brother, Clarell, who's now he's like one of the most sorted out vocal coach. He works with a lot of singers. And we all still doing our things. But Timmy Gatlin was the one who I started kids at work with. You know, and we did a record. We did an album. Didn't do nothing. So that's what made me just quit doing R&B. So I was doing rebergates. Right. I did a Kumo D, Deli Fresh, Sponigie, the WAP dance. The Anthem. That's New Generation. Which has been stamped for the time. So DICE got you back into R&B. Yeah. Okay. With Keith Sweat. With Keith Sweat. Yeah. That's what got me back into doing R&B. And the first record I did was I Wanna. And I just said, you know what? This is, this is, it's going to make something out of this. See how this just jumped out of me. I'm sorry. Nah, it's all good. But that's where my music just started evolving. In my life as well. You know, because coming from the hood, you know, you never know how you, you're able to get out, you know, and really make something out of yourself. And I've seen a few people like this little before your time, but the Arlene Twins. The Arlene Twins. I know the Arlene Twins. Yeah. Of course I know them. Yeah. One of them passed away. God bless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Leroy Burgess, yeah. All those guys are all from Harlem. Black Ivory. Mm-hmm. Yeah. They are only like from the radio station. I thought they were from Brooklyn. I thought they were from Brooklyn, but no, no, no, no. They know what? Yeah. Yeah. They probably be from Harlem. Yes. Yes. But all of us, we lived everywhere. Right. You know, in New York, it's like, but coming up, when I was hustling, I was going to Harlem World, actually. Harlem World, actually, it was a skate club. No, no, no. It wasn't a skate club. It was a club. Okay. When I was 16th Street. Okay. In Lex, on Lenox Avenue. Mm-hmm. I used to go and see all of the rappers, like, you know, Furious Five, Crash Crew, VZB. I was at the battle when... You were on the ground level of it all. Huh? You were on the ground level of it all. Yeah. And then when Kumo D was battling VZB, LL Cool J, everybody was there. And sitting through that being a fan, never thought I would be working with all of them. Mm-hmm. It's like surreal. Mm-hmm. And that's when I thought the pattern of like that, will I ever make it out of Harlem? So all I wanted was my records to play on the radio. Mm-hmm. I didn't even think about money. Mm-hmm. I just thought about, I need to get my music out there. Mm-hmm. And it got out there more than I thought of it. Right. You know, because one record led to another and, you know, radio stations started really taking a... Mm-hmm. You know, taking a liking to my music. Mm-hmm. So when I started R&B with Keith Sweatt, you heard a Frankie Crocker. Yeah. Of course, we did. We would say names if you'd be like, yo, I was too young. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But say the names anyway. Yes. Frankie Crocker. If we don't know, we need to dig in the craze. Yeah. Frankie Crocker was the one that broke I Wanna. Frankie Crocker was the guy on the radio station, correct? Yeah. He was like, back then, the most paid radio guy. Right. But like the Bettiter and Polly, where we were... He was the star of radio. Of radio. Like, okay. There you go. So Frankie, he debuted I Wanna and it was on Jam at a Slammit. Mm-hmm. And everybody slammed it. Slammit is the bad one. That's the bad one. Okay. Okay. So Frankie took it upon himself, you know, to go against the grain and say, you know, y'all may slam this record, but I'm a jammed this record. Y'all don't understand. This is the new wave. And when we did that, I felt like Robert Townsend on a... Oh. It's that movie where he's like, they playing it. They playing it on the radio, mom. Yeah, I know that movie. So was it a... Good God. Not five heartbeats, right? No, it wasn't a five heartbeats. Oh, you know what? Okay, I don't remember. But... But that's how I felt, you know. And my mother was there with me and it's like we hearing the record on the radio. But before all of that, my mother made me do the poor man copyright. The mailing? Yeah. So I mailed the tape to yourself. Back to myself. Okay. Yeah, that's copyright. Yeah, that's the poor man. That's what it is called. The poor man. That's what it is called. Damn. The postmark is what makes it a copy, right? You know, she was like, because when she first heard it, she didn't know what it was, but she was like, this sound good. You know, I used to always get... How you say, bothered by the neighbors, you know, because I was making a lot of noise. A lot of noise, yes. Of course. And then, like I said, when it started evolving and everybody started like, yo, he's gonna make it out of the project. So everybody became fans and supportive. Mm-hmm. So that's where I raise you. Yes, that's right. God damn it, you did it. Hold on, hold on. We gotta go back to because I feel like we're gonna skip forward. Yeah, we jump in a round. I'm so happy. I'm happy. I'm sorry. And there's so many iconic records, but going back to these early hip hop records that you were involved in, like the show. Yo, yo, that's crazy. Can you give us like a breakdown of how that comes about? Yeah. So the show basically came about me and Dougie Fresno went to the same high school. And actually we got kicked out of three high schools before ending up at the same high school. And we don't know this version of Dougie Fresno. We don't see you being like that, that guy getting kicked out of high school. So you had a date? It's okay. I got kicked out because that's a fight. And when I got into a fight, I threw one blow and everybody threw all the blows. Deferred everybody. Okay. Oh, I see. Deferred sister Kim. Everybody was just on this guy because he kind of snitched on me. You know how we throw the, how you say the eraser, the chalkboard. Yeah. At the teacher. So I threw the chalkboard, the eraser. And next scene everybody was laughing and the dude was like, he did it. I was like, we'll see you after school. And then the dude, when he got hit about four or five, everybody just went on him and he, his whole front was gone because he went straight into the fire hydrant. Oh, damn. Next day I got to school. They took me straight to the office. Like, Mr. Ali, you expelled. We are, even how you waiting, you know, you're, you being here and it looks like you're not going to, you're going to get, you're getting kicked out. So I got kicked out and went to West side. Okay. West side high. West side high. I ain't stayed in long. I didn't get in a fight, but I just didn't pass the program. So you know how you go to school one week and then you work one week. So it was co-op. Okay. You know, I did that. I quit jobs the first day and Dougie first went to the same school. He got kicked out of King went to West side. We both got kicked out of West side, end up at Park East. And that's where we created the show. That's when we've created the show. And then we performed it at the graduation. He graduated. I was in the 11th grade. So when he left the school, I quit school because I was making money. I had my first publishing deal with Zumba. Oh, that's Jive, right? Jive. I had my first publishing deal and it's a hundred grand. So over time, I think it was 300 grand. So I had a hundred grand a year or something like that. I'm 18 years old. Right. Yes. Took that home to my mom and the hundred grand or the 300 grand? The hundred grand. I told her, you know, we got a few. She got it for the job. I made it. She was like, nah, we ain't quitting. You got to make ten models. Wow. Let's make some noise. Shout out to her. It's real. That's real. So I went and made ten more. Right. Before 20. Right. So I get to her and she said, okay, we can move now. Now we can move. So we moved to the Bronx first. And at that same time, I was working with Andre Hurrell. Uptown. Uptown, of course. So I had two places. I was living in Brooklyn at Uptown. Right. I was living and we moved to the Bronx. At the same time, I'm working with Keith Sweat. Mixing I Wanna and The Make It Last Forever album. Get a call from Timmy Gatlin. But we going back to Dougie. I'm a segue back. So when we did this show in at the graduation, when he left our quit school, and then he went on to making, you know, making ways, performing him and slick with performing. And I had to kind of find my way. And when I quit school, I ended up working for my uncle, but also performing at the same time. And they built a studio for me at the rooftop. Because I heard a story. I believe you told it. You didn't even have a board when you started out. You would go and learn. At everybody's studio. I would go in everybody's studio and program, just beats. Right. Put it on cassette. Take it with me and just play it for everybody. So until I was able to afford a drum machine, I was just doing that. First drum machine I was on was the Oberheim DX. And 808. So I want to kind of tell all the trappers out there. I was doing trap before them. Making records with like go see the doctor. 808 and, you know, we didn't have, nothing sinking. So we used that punch to make two drum machines sink together. That's wild. You young motherfuckers need to listen. You know how hard that shit is? I'm sorry. That was the first track for me besides doing Dougie Fresh. The show. Yeah. The show. Didn't really know where it was going. But when the show came out, even though, you know, I didn't get any credit for it because like I said, I had starters in my eyes. I just wanted to record, play on the radio and, you know, be a part of something. And that's how I started evolving in Harlem. And then everybody came to me from Brooklyn to Queens and everybody would come to my projects and I would make records for everybody. So I'm bouncing around a little bit like you said. I need to ask you this. I believe I see Jermaine the pre-sader. He said that New Edition is the greatest group of all time. And they questioned him. They said, because each one of these members solo went platinum. Do you believe that statement? I believe they are the greatest group of all times. Are we making some noise for that? Yeah. Okay. And why I say that is because them together is a nucleus. And now you see them all together. Nobody's standing up to that. And they're a group that got back together and stayed together because they've seen the business. They stood on business. If other groups would stand on business, we would have a nucleus and we'd have groups back. Wow. Right now it's a recessional group. So now we're leaning towards, we're leaning on the legends. Wow. You know, and they're the legends that is really setting the example, you know, for the other legends. You know, all these groups breaking up is like 112. Now it's just 12. Damn. I didn't know that. You know, 112 broke up. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Damn. What they doing? Then you got groups that lost members like high five. Yeah. I'm putting them back together. Yes. Intro. Mm-hmm. So there's a lot of groups out there that are legend groups, but there's no new groups. Okay. I thought day 26 was going to be, you know, I agree. The next big thing. I agree. But, um, What happened to Soul For Real? Soul For Real is definitely a dope group developed by Herri D and, and uh, Eddie F and the crew. I think what it is is, you know, it was the artist development. And artist development is missing in the industry. Yes. I agree with that. One main thing. When we had, I was artist develop. Um, That's a lot. That's, that's, though. Yeah. It was about a year. My first, I went to media coach. My first media coach was Wendy Williams. Wow. What? No, hell no. That's why she didn't talk about me. Oh, damn. Oh, you never had me. You know, I listen to you. That's like my sister. Okay. Like in a good way. That's right. Okay. I was in the 30th birthday party in California. Wow. And my second media coach was Nelson George. Wow. My third was a guy who gave me the name. New Jack's Wing. And that's very Michael Cooper who wrote and co-wrote. New Jack city. So I was around a lot of people who was just, you know, creating me. You know, This guy would like pressure me to give a name to my music, like call my music something and I didn't have no idea. He's like, alright, this is your second session. Your third session, you better have a name. I didn't have a name. He's like, alright, I'm going to give you a name. He said, you should use New Jack Swing because you're the new kid on the block swinging it. Wow. And that's how I got the name New Jack Swing. He said, run with it. You'll thank me later. He's in my book too. A whole genre was that. Let me tell you something. You burnt the genre. And still today, you know, technically a lot of people don't know they're doing the Jack Swing. Right. It's all fusion. We one may ever say, Google it and had it playing. And we didn't realize how many records you did. We were doubting. It was like, wait a minute, he couldn't have did that too? Do you understand how many records? Do you understand how many lives you changed? Like we're all sitting here just amazed. Like all of us, come on, let's just give it a real. Like we can do it. This is my crew. We sit here. We were so. I believe you are first guest that came a little late and we was like, we do not care. Whenever he shows up, we're cool with it. But do you understand how many lives you changed to do this? And I'm not, I'm not even getting to Bobby. I'm not even getting to Michael yet. I'm not getting, I'm just getting into you and your group. For me, I don't do it on my past. I don't do it on my past. I try to forget about it so I can keep going. It's almost like I'm almost famous. And that's how I go every day. I just think about that. What was it was, what it is now, it matters. If I can change and continue changing lives, that's what matters for me. And I am. It's like, I can go anywhere and I can live anywhere. And something's going to come out of it. I don't know. I just feel like the most high is like, all right, you're going to go here. You're going to live here and you're going to do something here. That's what I did in Virginia. I did it in Atlanta. I was in Atlanta before the Producers were there. I heard you call Philly your second home. My second home. But Vegas, California, living in Atlanta was one of the things that I said, you know, I want to do and I want to kind of morph and fuse the music and bring everybody together. Trap, New Jack Swing, just put it all together. And I wound up working with a lot of people there. But the main thing was challenging to me was moving to Korea. Wait a second. You moved to Korea? Yeah, to do K-pop. I mean, I knew there was a lot of people from out here that was influencing that whole movement. What about K-pop? You were in the first. I told you I was in front of K-pop. You told me I was in front of K-pop. No, my daughter, what do you mean? I told you, we had a whole conversation. I thought I was in front of K-pop. I was in front of K-pop. I got to listen to Golden every day. Those records are ill. They are amazing. And when I went out there, it was 2007. I went out there and got robbed. In Korea? I'm going to tell you how. Not robbed, like, run to my head. Okay, I love that. Rob, like, they sticking things up. They got some shrew guys out there. Oh, yeah, they're ill business people out there. Yeah, they are really ill. So when we went out there, right, I did a whole head. I think every news channel. We did a press conference. Uh-huh. Reason why? Because I didn't know how big my music was out there. K-pop is New Jack's wing. Yeah. And then I get out there, like, not knowing anything about the business aspect, like, the stock game. And I'm out there, like, they give me half a million dollars to do this, and, you know, and I'm doing it, but not... I finally had, like, a few meetings with the CEOs. Mm-hmm. The CEOs, like, come with us. So I go with SM Entertainment. Not knowing that when they put me on the books, they stock went up. I didn't ask for the stock. To get stock. Don't miss shit out of this. But I still made a lot of money out there. I still made ways, and now you hear Teddy Raleigh is a part of, you know, K-pop. He's responsible, and... But when I went out there, let me tell you how I got about it. I went out there, did this whole press conference. There's a company, I've heard of a company called Tencent. They're, like, Rockefeller. Wow. In Korea. Yes, they're like the... South Korea big. Yeah, South. Yeah. But they're, like, the biggest when it comes to... They're, like, Viacom. Okay. Wow, okay. They own everything out there. The karaoke machines, all of that stuff, like, you go in the mall, you know how we get the picture taking things? Karaoke machines. All the malls. Yeah, it's big out there. That makes more money than anything. Wow. That's the best one. So I'm out there, and they were, like, we'd like to figure out doing a movie with you. And I was, like, great, let's do it, you know? They said, what you gonna call it? I said, I want to call it Asia. A store. Asia. A Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl and I'm on my way. Why did Tencent come to try and sue me? Cause they thought I was doing a movie and they gave him the money, he did the contract. So I had to prove myself to them saying, listen, I'm a man of honor. I would never take your money. They knew somebody was doing, dude, I got married, won a money, he scored the wife. And this is the guy that brought you out there originally? Yes. So, and the same guy who was taking my publishing cause we had did records for artists. Oh God. We did records for this artist's name. What's his name? I think it's Rain? No, Rain is the guy who's like usher out here. Okay. So we did these records. This company took our publishing and mechanical rights. I didn't know that ASCAP does not exist in Korea. They have their own. So you go with their company, right? You gotta go through that. Their company is called Kampke. Oh. And these guys was publishing our songs and copyrighting our songs. You went to Korean music boot camp. Check this out. We had already went there, came back, and me and my guys did, we did these records for them. They paid us nice money and everything, right? We was like, y'all, where's our resissues? Like, what we, it's like, yo, let's go back. I said, yo, we ain't going back to start no trouble. Mm-mm. So we gonna go back and say it's not fair. And hopefully it will meet somebody who could help us. And that's how we met as a entertainment. Mm. And they helped us get every publishing mechanical rights in all of our rights back. Wow. On a condition of me staying for two weeks to do some music with the artists. Okay. Two weeks turned into two months. Two months turned into two years. Living in Korea. It's like, we enjoy your music. We want, can you stay? We'll get your house, we'll get your, they got us a building. Wow. We built the studios and the building. And we were there for two years. Let me find out, you speak Korean now. Oh, fuck that. Not at all. I was translating. Oh, now they got the, they got the, they got the, you talking and you can talk right about, yeah. Sure do. That's right. And I was, you know, I had my translator and my phone and that's how I got around. And I didn't have to go in too many places. I stayed in the studio. I live in the studio. Okay. So when I was out there, I had no relationships. I just, I was in that studio and they thought I was a Martian because I would be in that studio from 10 to 10 in the morning. They would be coming in to work. But he's like, he's still here. So they built me a bedroom in the actual office. God damn it. Wow. That's hard. So it's safe to say that you opened those doors for a lot of people over here too. Well, they were doing what they're doing anyway. Right. But there's a lot of collaboration. There's a lot of collaboration. Open up the door for it to be introduced. Now I can't say that because you had, what's my guy Jay Park? Jay, is it Jay Park? He was doing it. He came over here. Right. But I went over there. Right, right. And when I went over there, it was just, I was working with every group. We had five, six number one records. And we placed over 40 songs. So I was pretty much living comfortable out there. And my mind was kind of learning the culture. Just kind of getting together while the record business over here was getting it together because it was a recession. Right. But what years is this exactly? Right. When I went over there to live, it was 2010 to 2012. Okay. And... Yeah, that's when we had the whole real estate crash out here. That's when the system... Yeah. And then... That's what streaming is. Streaming is introduced to the condo. Okay. That's true and all of that. Right. When I came back was when heavy deep passed away. Oh, God bless you. And that's what made me say it. I'm coming back to America. God bless. I moved to Atlanta then asked my sister, just find me a place. She said, well, you want to live. Gator community? I said, no, I want to live next to you. She said, find me a place and... I lived there for a little while and kind of outgrown it and moved into a house, you know, a big house. And stayed down there for a while. Atlanta. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel like... Was there a culture shock? Living out there? I'm assuming that's your first time living outside of the States, was it? No. No? I lived in London. Oh, okay. I lived in London. My early is when I was working in Koot-Modee and the ocean. We did all like, go see the doctor. How you like me now? Those records? We did in London. We did at Battery Studios. I think we... Jive records. We don't realize how much of those records were made overseas. I didn't even heard it was at Battery Studios. I didn't know Battery Studios was located in London. Yeah, they have one in London and one in New York. Yeah, but I didn't hold it. So, damn, that's fucking me up. So that's where you and Koot-Modee recorded that? Every year. We did first album, second album, then... Yeah, it's legendary. I see, because I can't fathom this. Because I... So I lived here like, we would spend three to maybe six months. But that wasn't much of a culture shock being in London versus here. Yes, it was. And you tell you why. You didn't. You didn't. Driving on the wrong side. Oh, yeah. We didn't drive. I was like, yeah, I'm not getting into no accident. I'm used to driving on outside. So when that happened, we would have a driver. They gave us a driver and Clape Calder. Clape Calder was the guy who was the first guy to see me make a beat. Wow. I was making, how you like me now? And when he came in the room, he was behind his dark, tinted glass, watching me. What machine were you using? I was using the MP, because they had one there. Oh, great. Wasn't mine. That's right. No, it wasn't the MP. I'm about to say it. It wasn't the MP. It was over high. The DX. OK. And no. Was it MP? It was, I can't imagine. MP back. I had a sampler. The SP, no? Was it? SP-12 honey. That's what it was. Yeah, that had it. And but it was this. I ain't had no drum machine, couldn't afford one. So I was banging out on everybody's joint, you know. But when I was there, they had every drum machine. Right. I made that record, he was just watching. I seen his head just gone. And then he walked in the room. He called me another name. Kumodi? No, Clape Calder. Oh, OK. The CEO. Because I keep looking at his glasses. And I'm looking at his glasses. He's trying to imitate Kumodi with the glasses. I keep looking at my machine. Kumoli. Yeah, Kumoli. Yeah, Kumoli. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad. He was throwing at my bad. Come on, leave. What? He called you. He called me my partner. My partner's name is Laveba. Right. And he said, Laveba. I said, no. He said, what is your name? I said, I'm Teddy Riley. Right. He said, Teddy Riley. Teddy Riley? That kind of sounds bourgeoisie. Huh? Sounds good. It could. Teddy Riley. Teddy Riley. Yeah, Teddy Riley. He said, so you make the beats. Oh. I said, yeah, I make the beats. He said, can you excuse me a second? I said, yeah, sure. He went upstairs and called Barry Weiss. Oh, wow. Barry Weiss from John Reckis as well. Oh, okay, okay. And Carly, all of them. Okay. And said, he got them all on the phone. He told me this. He said, I got them on the phone. I asked her. I said, who's Teddy Roli? And Anne, I guess the answer is Teddy Roli is one of the guys. You know, he works with them. He works with Kumoli. He said, you guys know he makes the beats? And he's like, nobody. It was crickets. And he said, I told them, if you guys, when he comes back to the States, if you don't have him in that office, making a deal, somebody's getting fired. And I had a meeting with them. I went down there by myself and didn't have no lawyer, no nothing. It's my first meeting with them. And that was how I got my first hundred thousand dollars to Zamba. And that was my first publishing deal. God damn it. That's wild. It makes a noise for you. You want to do a quick time of slime, but you got to explain that. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get a designated drinker. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because you don't have to drink. Okay. We'll get somebody like for you. Yeah. I got my nephew. Oh, shit. Damn. He threw you under the bus like that. Oh, I like that. I would do it with my nephew. I'm just letting you know. He told me he would. Okay. Okay. Okay. You drinking? Yeah. I'm drinking. I'm drinking. So yeah, let's put him up a chair right there. Yeah. So we're going to ask him and you know, no, can you break down the game? So yeah, this is our drinking game. Okay. And we're going to give you two choices. If you pick one, we don't drink. Right. If you say both or neither, like you really don't want to answer. Yeah. I plead the fifth. You plead the fifth. We've drinking. Everybody drinks. But really, we just want stories out of it. I know the game. Yeah. And we're not trying to disno- And I know. No, no, no. But I'm not going to lie to you. I feel like Teddy's a great person. He's not going to want to say nothing wrong. Who did we just have that just answered every single one? I forget. I forget. But the first one, I'm ready to not. No, it was Ray Daniels. Ray Daniels. He answered everyone. So who? Ray Daniels. So Ray Daniels. He don't care. He answered everything. No, he didn't want to drink. He didn't care. He asked everyone to drink. Correct. So nephew, did you really ask for Taika Ball? That's not the best thing we do in Taika Ball. We got Taika Ball. No, no, no. He's asking. You don't want Taika Ball. No, trust me. We're not going to do that to him, man. No, I don't want to do that to you. No, no, no. Nephew, nephew. You don't want Taika Ball. We're not going to do that to you. You don't want Taika Ball. I ain't going to lie. Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl Zahl biggest on our show. Okay. Let's do it. Not too heavy for you. So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna go in there. Because it's a long game. I'm gonna go ahead and go in there. I'm gonna do, I'll take the first one. I got you. No, this is, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not gonna be too great. Okay. Okay. Michael Jackson or Prince? And we need stories too. Yes. I believe you're the only person who could sufficiently answer this question. Wow. Okay. Michael Jackson, of course. Okay. Which I want me to tell you. No. I feel like you definitely got Prince stories too. I do. Okay. But Michael, I have more stories and substance. For sure. And why I say Michael? I came ready for the Michael answer. Now, you're an OG Michael. There you go. I just gave him my answer. But why I say Michael is because Michael wasn't just an artist. He was a visionary, humanitarian, role model. And now everybody see now today how much of a role model he was to the kids. He's been vindicated in a lot of ways. Yes. And it took us this long to really find out all the things that he did to really save humanity. And I don't think that Prince was there. Now, Prince did a lot of things, but not what Michael have done. And the chances that he took just for all of us. So I have to say him in all ways, not just as an artist. I have to say him, he's the one in every way. And I'm sure you all would say the same things. This is why we want to ask you. This is like still on the same question, but a little bit off. We had Will I Am on here. Will I Am tell the story? Famous story. Famous story. We did not know this was gonna go viral, but he was like that Prince kept calling, excuse me, a Prince kept calling Michael a meanie. No, no, no. Michael was calling Prince. Michael was calling Prince. Yes. Yes. I got a feeling you know about this. I know about the whole thing. I was the first one to try to read the script. Oh, that's right. And he was the first one to big TV. I've heard this before Will I Am. And everybody, because Michael told me the story. And showed me and gave me the VHS. There's a VHS? Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'll tell you something about the TV then. Because I heard Michael gave you a TV. No, that's another thing. That's another recording. I'm lost. Okay, wait a minute. The James Brown Concert. Okay, okay. I was the first one with it. Yeah, we spoke about this one. From Michael. Before anybody even thought about it. Right. Michael told me everything he said, you know. It was, can I tell you what the time that Prince tried to run us off the road, me and my family? I was like, yes, tell me. I was like, what happened? He's like, yeah, can I show it to you? I was like, sure, what you gonna show me? He said, I'm gonna show you. Look, look. He took the thing. He put it in. He pushed the VHS in. He said, if this is you can have it. Say I have copies. I have copies. I was like, okay. So he showed me it. He sat back. He's like. He's like. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Everybody. My friends in the house. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. Come up here, Michael Jackson. So he came up. Michael came up and he's like gave him a hug and he did his thing. Then he just killed it. Did the moonwalk, everything. James was like, wow, look at the boy go. That's Michael, co-sign of it. Then, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. So, Michael said, after he did his thing, everybody went nuts. Michael went and whispered in James Brown ear and said, princess in audience. He's like, what? Princess in audience. Oh, I got somebody else on audience. One, he's a new audience. He said, prince, prince, princess in audience. And prince came up and he was on the bodyguards shoulder on his back, came up and everybody's like, first of all, you could have walked up there with prince. He could have walked up there. It would have been better received. Everybody now is like, who's this mother suck? But this before Instagram though. This is way before. Way before Instagram. He got a VHS of this. But that's a great moment. That's why you got a VHS. So, prince come up, bodyguard bring him on stage. He goes, his post and prince follows the guitar from the guitar player. But he took his glove off. When he took his glove off, he threw it in the crowd. They threw it back at him. Oh, shit. That was the first. And then he bought the guitar. Now, the guitar don't have no distortion because it wasn't rock music. It was change ball music. So prince was playing and he hit the note. You know, they play. Pound, pound, pound, pound. Not for boy. Pound, pound, pound. So he went, pound. No, he wanted it to keep. No, it didn't. It's scream. Right, right. And it didn't scream. He tried something else. Then he said, all right, let me just bust a move on you. She did. Ted, he's definitely picking sides here right now. We did the whole thing. And then looking at the time, that's when he, I think that's when he threw the glove. I'm gonna look back at it. But that's when he threw the glove and they threw it back at him. Then next to you know, everything he tried just didn't work. Right. So he said, ah, just forget about it. I'm done. I'm gonna get that nigga Michael. I'm gonna get his ass. Hey, check this out. He went to go get off the stage. So he didn't know that the light post was a prop. So he pulled the light post. The post came down with him. And the bodyguard, you know, kind of saved him, took him away. And Michael was in the back just laughing. OK. He said, you see, you see what happened? He said, you know what happened afterwards? I said, what? He said, we was going out, my family was leaving backstage. And all we seen was the red carpet and his prints. He tried to run my whole family over. I said, you serious? He said, yeah. Yeah, he did. And it was on after that. That's when the whole thing was like Prince to get Michael. And you know, everybody went to Michael's side. That's good. I got to make sure. I said, I don't know. Did Will tell it that way? I felt like Will told us a story after that. No, it was another show. It was a show that he was at. Yeah. And but the reason why he called him was because of that. And I believe that he tricked Michael into tricking him to his show. He had already had Prince booked, but he didn't want Michael to know. And then when Michael showed up, he said, oh, he's a meanie. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I made that voice. I'm so sorry, guys. Yeah. He's right. And he used that word a lot. He used that word. There's a few people he called meanie. Like, there's a few people. But he said that about Prince a lot. He's a meanie. He's, I can't even say it, man. Because us in hip hop, we look at Jay-Z and Nile. So we look at, like, drinking Kendrick right now. And we look like, oh, OK, that's us who did that. We don't realize that that shit been happening. Oh, those rivalries. Wait, that was the first industry beef. Was Prince and Michael? Yes. And then us. Yes. Y'all in Topical Prince? And guys. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, shit, no, this shit. Damn, I forgot. You were going to wreck the top. Shit. I was going to wreck the top. Oh, that was the second. That was the second. That was the second. What? I don't know. I don't know what they want to talk about. That was super-duper wild. Because I was in the middle of the whole thing. We was at, what was it? What's the club downtown? It was like an auditorium, Manhattan Center or something like that. Hamestown Ballroom? Or Webster Hall? No, it was downtown. And all I could remember. Yeah. No, it was Manhattan something, Manhattan Center. Manhattan Center, Manhattan Center. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Manhattan Center. That's the car. I like Tribecaw Quest performed, Rex and the Fake performed, and I performed with them. And now we, in the audience, in a fight broke out, and it was one of Posse Deep, which is my crew. Yeah. And Tribecaw Quest. And I'm up here. And they're down with Zulu Nation. That's the best. Yeah, the Zulu Nation, yes. Next thing you know, I don't know. Somebody got the best of them. And I never knew Tribecaw Quest as fighters, because they are some of the best rappers in the world. But it's always like my crew was just, wow. And when that fight broke out, all I heard was Lee or Santa Mee. Teddy Raleigh, you're going to pay for this. I was like, wow. I didn't know who Lee or was. Wait, but who's this Lee or how to do it? Because he's Lee or... It was Def Jam. Oh, Def Jam. That's right. Rush. Rush Mann is me. Rush Mann is me. Yeah, I had to put it together. I'm sorry. And he said, you're going to pay for this? I was like, what did I do? He said, you're the leader. That's how Lee goes down. You are the leader. I was like, wow. So I'm like, how are we going to fix this? But wait, it doesn't stem from the line that Fife says in a song about New Jack's Wing? No. At all. Because that's what everybody always thought. I didn't know what that was from, but I knew that somebody bumped into somebody was a bump. We don't know the timeline. It was a bump or something. OK. I got to ask my brother. I just talked to our kill yet today. We got a huge building that we were about to move in on 125th Street cop club area. Oh, hell yeah. So I'm going to ask him about that, because I never knew how that ended up. All I knew I got screamed at by Lee or. I didn't want to meet him that way. I didn't know who he was, but I knew he was with Rush and Def Jam. And then Russell Simmons, they all walked up. I was like, wow, this is Def Jam. I don't want to have no fight with them. Like, you know, so long me hold, it led to us having a meeting at the Moss on 125th Street. How big of a deal it was. And then the Moss or a lot of school in Mecca. Who went to jail because everybody had guns. Wasn't ready. And everybody had guns. And I didn't go. Because I was like, if I go, it's going to be a problem. Now, I just go with your affiliation with Alpo and them. And no, no, no, no, we know. So it's not, it's not. We cannot say that. Not them. No, they didn't get involved. But you been involved with a lot of cases. But imagine as regular fans, seeing this play out. Not for nothing. We didn't think of Rex and the effects as necessarily awesome. Doug shit and drive cop quest. And we didn't like see it. We were very confused. Now I understood the Zulu nation aspect of it. And then then we started reading more into to who was behind Rex and the effects and the crew y'all had. And then we saw how it was going to get a little nasty. Wow. I think we started out. Damn, the bloods in the crypts. Projects. Damn. Is is I mean, why y'all were red right now? Say that. All right. Yeah. You just say y'all we're ready. You know, you too. Y'all look how old Billy hit Rex. Damn, bro. But when it all happened, shout outs because, you all know Uncle Mike Conception. It's like my uncle. No, I did. I heard you say that is your uncle Mike Conception. Yeah. We might as well say man, we've done a whole lot, you know, I kind of, he always say I saved him from, you know, getting killed. Oh, wow. You know, and he had a meeting in New York with the Crips and the Bloods and he told them, you know, if it wasn't for Teddy, well, he's ate my life. And I got calls from everybody like, yo, you saved my conception's life. We just, you know, he basically helped me, you know, with a stare in my business. He was a part of me working with Michael. Him, the black-eyed father, and Quincy Jones. He's the one that did all in the same gang? Yeah. Right. Yeah. So yeah, I always, you know, get flowers where they do. Right. And he's one of the ones that, you know, really saved me with Gene, you know, West Coast side and then on the East Coast side, my uncle was on the rooftop. My uncle and, uh, affiliated with country and Niggie Barnes people, the council, your other council. Yeah. My oldest brother was a part of the council. Wow. So when I left Gene and broke up with Gene and, I know we jumping all over the place. No, that's okay. We're enjoying this. Yeah. So then summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer life. Oh wow. And people were hearing about it, you know, watch out, watch out for Jean or watch out. So of course, I have my family and I have an incredible team. Right. And then I have the brothers, you know, from the Mars. In fact, he was actually 86 from from the Mars. You know, because of me. Okay. So when all of that happened, my uncle took it upon himself, got with Nikki's people. And country was the one who bought Jean because you know, he kind of had a hold on Jean. So he went, I don't know if you're familiar with, is a place that the the Italians own in Harlem called the Flash, the Flash bar. Okay, no, I wasn't familiar. Sony bar. Most of the homes in the project and the buildings are brown and, you know, beige. And this is the only red spot. And why they have it red? Because some people don't leave it. They die in there. Almost like rails. I mean, I put that on rails. But but they call a meeting with Jean at the Flash bar. And when they call that meeting, my uncle called me and said, you're gonna go in here. If you flinch or you you feel don't feel good about this, you're gonna leave. We're gonna stay. He's not coming out of here. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna follow the plan. And I'll tell you about Alpo too. So I followed the plan. And my uncle started the conversation. He said, What is this? You have a contract out of my nephew? And Jean kind of just said, I don't have a contract. You know, maybe somebody else that, you know, care about me and, you know, felt like, you know, he did me wrong. But they don't know. But if it's something that I can control, I'm gonna control it because he's like my son. He actually was my godfather. So when that happened, I said to my uncle, we good. He said, You go ahead. I said, let me speak to you. He came and he said, he said, which one? I said, don't do anything. But to your uncle, you're saying that. No, to Jean. I said, to my uncle, don't do anything to Jean. Don't do nothing. I believe him. Because sometimes it could be your crew. Just like Posse Deep. I didn't do nothing with Chowkaw Quest, but Posse Deep got into it. But it looks like I'm the leader. Right. Because it is my crew. So and they were signed to me. So it looks like me. So I believe them in the name. Long behold, years later, Jean Griffin and I got back together as father and son, godfather and son. Wow. And before he passed, you know, I got to, you know, take him out of the home because he had dementia. Yeah, okay. So I got to take him out of the home. And in fact, that's a, that's a chapter in my book for the book about forgiveness. I feel like if you don't have forgiveness in your heart, you'll never leave this earth complete. So I always believe in, you know, completion. So that's what happened with that. But let me tell you something else that I'll post it on the radio. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm the one that Teddy stopped from killing Jean. I was like, wow. Yeah, I told them to wow, because they wanted they wanted to kill. So it was true. Huh? Kind of true. It was true. Yeah, it was true. Wow. So I don't I just don't believe in that, you know, unless it's ball means necessary. Right. Right. I just don't believe that anybody should die. But that shows the power that you have by not flexing your power. But you know what I mean? Yeah, that shows the smartness in who you are. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, I mean, coming from the streets and coming from the hood, you know, and, and experience the hustling life. And I've seen people I've been in shootouts. And that's not nothing to play with. Especially when you see your friend take a bullet. Right. I see my friend take a bullet. Right. And I rolled with the guy who actually battled Biggie, the skinny kid. Oh, supreme. Yeah, I heard you. I heard you say that before. Yeah. He the one who bought me to the game. Wow. Oh, shit. We was hustling for some big tigers. Until we had our own. Wow. And then they kicked me off the street. I like different blocks. I mean, they kicked me off summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer summer drug dealers knew that he was gonna go and they took him right off the streets and was just like yo, I don't think he could he was Kenny. I'm sorry if I'm blowing this up, but I don't even think he was allowed outside not in a good bad way. But in a way was like yo, we see we see you have a better life ahead of you. So we're gonna protect that. And I felt like Allen Iverson was in that. I was in was in here, but that was because he used to play ball for my celebrity team. Yep. I believe they protected them the same way. You know, and he had some real people around him. What what news and in Norfolk, everybody was behind him. Yep. You know, even myself, you know, we is like, he was the guy coming out of Virginia is like everybody was being birthed out of Virginia. Right. You know, and I was there to really experience witness and be a part of, you know, architecting that. So let's let's go back to the game. You ready? Yeah. This is the by the way, this is the Dominican guy and the Colombian guy over there. The guy with the glasses, who just we just assume noise over there. We just assume they do cocaine. We don't know for like, we don't know for like a fact, but we think we assume it. Okay. For rail or timberland. Same question. Yes. I did a good job. Now, okay, I'm definitely gonna give y'all my stories on both, please. Stories on both. Okay. Now, I'm gonna plead the fifth. Okay. You got a drink. Yes. We've been waiting. I'm gonna tell you why. Because they both are dangerous. Yes. They're not to be played with still today. And I feel like with both of them, you can hear a record of this and I know it's this like me. You can hear a record of mine and I know it's mine. Right. And those people you do not play with. It's like, you can't just say, Oh, you can, you know, stand tall with these guys. They still doing it. They still doing it. Yeah. I love it. I don't see why I would put them against each other because we all came up together. Yeah. You know, it's so crazy. We went to the same church. That's crazy. Now that's that's the pastor was Pharrell's cousin. He passed away. He passed away, but God bless. Yeah. But in Virginia, so you, Pharrell and Timberland went to the same church. I wonder what this church was like. Oh, no, I donated the equipment to the church. The equipment, the sound system. I donated to the church. In fact, because I had my studio before everybody, the pastor, Reverend Thurgood, Bishop Thurgood used to do all of his sermon tapes at my studio. Wow. Let me, let's make some noise. So, oh, this is a good one. Okay. You want it? Yeah. Okay. No, you take this one. Black street or guy? That's it. None of them. We got a drink. No, no, no, no. I ain't pleading the fifth. That is me. No, no, no, no. You know what the answer is? Me. If you still got to get a job. Why? Because you basically said both of them. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we drink. It's me. And why save me? Because developing both groups and being a part of both groups and then, you know, stepping out of it because you've done it for so long and realized that, you know, in your relationship, right? And you realize why you left her. All right. Bam. When you got back with her. Oh, shit. Damn, I knew why I left her alone. It's the same situation. What guy or Black street? Both. Oh, damn. He's talking about both. Yeah, I'm gonna take another shot. That's on you. That's like, both, both, you know. Because I seen you say that these guys don't like you, right? Us two. No, no, they got love. They don't never had love. Wait, what? I'm sorry. What? Never had love. And I'll tell you why. Love is an action. Okay. For me. You guys show me because I'm showing you. I made you your first big money. You have ever made your whole entire life. And if I don't get the love from that and then give you, I gift you publishing because you ain't like nothing. Wow. And then you're going to go and bite my back out. That's how I say what I say, you know, we, that's not street ordinance. Street ordinances. And then you want to go solo. I had your publishing. I had everything. I'll give it back to you. What would you do if someone gave you a whole life back? I appreciate that. No appreciation. That's what I meant. There's no appreciation. Yeah. And you're still being able to eat. I can stop it. But I would never do that. Right. But I'm kind of thinking about it. It's a thought, you know why? Because if you're going to continue stopping what I would like to do with my music. With your two or 3% on the publishing side, you know, two or 3% can stop you. They can block things. They can block you. But we about to change that. It's a new legislation that's about to drop. We are, if you ain't got a substantial amount of publishing, you get your little percentage because the people with this substantial amount are the ones that control the copyright. The majority rule. There's nothing you can do about it. And that's being, it's going in the legislations. So, and now that I own my publisher, it just got it. You just got it? Just got it. At least a few years. Just got it. You know. How many years? 23. Really? Because it's 35 years. Wow. And then they're doing the captions. We did the first, I think 300 songs. Wow. And now it's the next 300 songs and then it's going to keep going. I have a thousand songs and, um, yeah. Did you say 4,000 songs? I'm sorry. No, no, no. I said over a thousand songs. Over a thousand songs? Yeah. Holy moly. I don't even remember that. I don't even know how that works. I think I was the producer. Like Tupac, Tupac made a song every day. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Right. If not more. I did like four or five. Well, you know, I was just making records for any and everybody. As I said before, I was just one of my music out there. And I had to make a lot of it. So one gonna go. Right. But not knowing that, you know, a lot of them would go. So yeah. Let's keep it going. Come on. Let's keep it going. Come on. Come on. Yo, you just, I'm just so happy. I'm sorry. Paid in full or juice? Movies. Yeah, some Harlem shit. Paid in full. I get it. I mean, why? Because somehow I'm like, I'm in there. You're close. Yeah. You're too close. I'm like, right around the corner from there. I lived right around a corner from where everything and they used to come up to the rooftop, you know. And we all used to just, we're the ones like we would chat, but we would do a bunch of stuff together. It's just they wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let me hustle. We do anything together, but you know, have fun. I never had to pay for anything with them. They did right by you. Absolutely. So next one. Okay. Analog or digital? Of course, you know, with analog all day. I'm analog. I knew you were going to say analog. And why? I'll tell you on the technical side, why? Analog is, is how you would say it's the warmth. Yes. It's the warmth. It's the warmth. The warmth, yes. Of music. Now we can go even deeper. I would love for it to go back to analog and 432 frequency wave. Do y'all know about that? No, you don't. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it was, it was 432. 432 is the way we should be listening to music. So when you hear 432 records, it will make you relax. This music doesn't make us relax. Sometimes we catch headaches and we're not supposed to. 432, you listen to a beat, a beat of song is 432. Or go back to a Michael Jackson, the Jackson five song, like ABC. Those are 432 instead of 441. 441 is the frequency that makes us, you know, laugh, cry, fight, catch headache, depress. It's all the things it does to you we shouldn't be having. Well, 432, when you listen to it, you know. It's like we're in tune for that. Huh? We're in tune. We're in tune for 432. That makes sense. I always like to mention DJ Quick had said something about analog. We speak 432. Absorbing the energy also in that studio in the room. It absorbs that energy. That's what I like analog. I like analog because if we had to work with each other, I would have to come to your studio. You would have to come to my studio. You have to bring an eight inch rail. What was it called? The Real The Real. That's what we're talking about. The Real. And when you listen to it, so I always say that. And I kind of like sound like the older dude in the room when I say that shit because I'm like, yo, the music sounds better. Because we had, we, like if we didn't like each other, you would hear that shit on the record. Like, like we were there. Like all that music when people say that it's the great era or golden era, guess what? That music was made with you and the producer in the room together. Yes. As opposed to right now, it's like, if I have to present something to a soundtrack, you could just, you could just send it to me. Me and you have never even met. And I'm laying a verse. You don't really cosign my verse. You got to check. I got to check. And we both just like, fuck it. It's like whatever. That wasn't like that. And I'm sorry to sound like the older guy in the room. Sorry. I know how I sound like. Well, I know the guy. You know, back. You know what I'm just saying? I'm just saying, you know, back. Because we say back in my day. And I don't mean it like that. I don't mean it like that. But what I'm trying to tell you is, like when. But now we can look at the people that said that and understand why they said back in my day. I understand that. That's what happens with age. You start to understand things. But these classic records that like, listen, like again, we're looking at your discography and it just keeps going. And I cannot see these records being produced without you in the room with these people. Like making it. Right. You had to be like, like, like, like, and then I'm like, I'm like, you said something earlier. I'm going to get back to Quick Time of Slime. But you said something earlier. It was like these guys don't have a sound, but they have a sound. Like so like you was talking about Timberland and Pharrell, right? And I relate that to like DJ Premier, like things like that. Like DJ Premier, you could you can you can say that sound for DJ Premier. But then DJ Premier will do something for Christine Aguilera. And you'd be like, I don't I don't see. I don't hear him doing that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, so that's the same thing with you. Like, like you can work with anybody. Like is that something that you did deliberately? I was sort of like how Mike Tyson said, I will fight anybody. I will work with anybody. I work with Tom Jones. It's not unusual to be alone. I worked with him. I work with Billy Ocean. I work with Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown, but that's not the cable. That's my that's my that's my alley. You know, you can expect me. That's in your wheelhouse, right? Yeah. But not a Billy Ocean, not a Jane Child. Right. Right. Don't want to fall in love. Turn a turn a pop record, a pop rock record black. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like it was nothing. And she's she's a white girl. She Caucasian. I'm like, it's nothing about that record. The remix. I was I was I was getting my money up because I was broke. That's when I left Jane. He took everything like, you know, like Kelly's manager, you know, when he took everything, I was stuck with $20 in a platinum American Express that was given to me. By one of the group members I signed. And I was joking that card and she gave me the card and she said, you're going to need it. I didn't know what I was going to need it for. And I was stuck at the airport with $20. And I called her. I said, I think I'm going to have to come stay with you until I can get back to get my family. She's like, you remember that car that gave you that you was joking? It was a platinum American Express under her name. No, it was in my name. Oh, I hope she I was a how you say it. You said the main I was under her. She was saying it was her account, but her account. She had your own. She gave me my own card. And that's why she said, you are going to need it. I said, why won't I need it for it? She said, just put it, keep it, do not get rid of it. And I never got rid of that card. And I was at the airport trying to get a ticket with the GR production card that me and Jean had two GR cards, GR cards and none of them work. She was like, no, you got another form of payment. Just like, oh, so he knew what I was doing. I was up in New York releasing everybody from their contract guy today. Tammy Lucas, BigBlob, his solo contract, everybody. He found out. And that's probably the reason why he was trying to put a contract out my life. So with that being said, that card is the only thing I had. And when the card went through, I gave it to the clerk. She took the card and she said, your first class seat. I said, how much is on this card? She said, what you want on there? I said, what could you do? She said, you want 100,000? I said, yeah, put 100,000 on you. Go ahead, go ahead. Go get the party going. I said, your life, save arm. I see when I come back to New York and I used that card to get my family back and actually move into a place because I was like, yo, it's too packed for me, my daughter and my fiance at the time to move back into the projects. So we were there for a week and that's when I moved to Biggie's old place with the elevator that goes straight up to the bedroom. I heard about the elevator. So back to who's he at? Because I'm a little caught up right now. We were everywhere great. I smelled the juices and the berries. At the berries going. Up everywhere. We still on quick time. So, okay. Ready? Rich Porter or AZ? Rich Porter. It should have been Rich Porter. I'll pull off. Yeah, that's what you should have said. And then I was still gave you the same result. But AZ and Rich Porter was like the guys. AZ was really the ones like, yo, we can't let him hustle with us. So yeah. Yeah. You said, okay. All right. Kumole, relax buddy. Yeah. Keep popcorn. Come on. Heavy deer, big daddy came. Oh, come on, y'all. We got the shot. We got the shot. Get your shots ready. You ain't got to take a shot. We didn't take a shot towards you. What kind of shot? I'm shooting. You got shots too. You don't have to. You don't have to. We are going to do it. Salute. Salute. Salute. And I'm sorry I'm breaking the little thing. Do you realize how dope heavy D was though? Like what? Like my best friend, but big daddy came. It's like that's my guy. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, both. Both. I'm saying both. But you guys say both. Um, I like again. We don't drive you home. Yeah. We see each other. I pull up in the spirenda. We see each other. We know you. We know you. Yeah. You drive you home. I'm not here right here. Oh, come back tomorrow. And yeah, yeah. You gotta stay safe. Oh, and obviously, you know, Cain, I'm not comparing them to both. But what I was saying, it was like, I just like, again, I'm going back into hip hop and I'm going to listen back to the, and when I'm listening to heavy D, I'm like, holy shit. You know how ahead of the time he was like, holy shit. In a lot of ways. It's like, let me say this. Heavy had an old soul. Like I would do records for heavy. I would play records for heavy. And it would be for like Rex and the fact. Wow. And I don't know. He's so small, man. The dude would persuade me like, do you know that this song belongs to me? It was, it's a good to you. With Tammy. He says, you gotta give me this. This was a Rex and the fact record. Gotta give me this tag. Come on, man. Come on. You got to do this, man. I was like, heavy, man, you're a bully. He's like, no, I'm not. I said, you know what? I'm gonna promote you being a bully around people because you really bull, he bullied me out of, is it good to you? He bullied me out of, we got our own thing. I was Rex and the fact record. And now that we found love. Now that we found love, what are we gonna do? And every time he came to my house, or he came down to Virginia, he came to Virginia. He was serious. He was trying to steal no dignity. I played no dignity because I always played, every is my best friend. Let me tell you something. If you went out of reference track with heavy Dior, now that would be fine. He was trying to rap on it. He's like, yo, can I get on it at least? I was like, no, this one here you cannot have. I'm keeping this one for myself. And he's like, all right, I had to tell Jimmy about this record. He was the one that convinced Jimmy, this is the single. Because Jimmy wanted money can't buy me love as a single. And I said, Jimmy, you sure? You can't tell Jimmy, yo, this is the single, Jimmy, unless you should night or somebody. But I was just, you know, I know I shot him the hummus. Jimmy played with somebody. So heavy, you know, usually stopped by Jimmy's and and what put the icing on the cake? And we going back to analog. What put the icing on the cake was Dr. Trey heard it. He said, listen to this. Teddy Rollies new record. And Trey heard the joint and Drey was like, yo, tell Ted when he do this record, I want to be in the video. Dr. Trey said, when you do the record, he wants to be in the video. That's a great impression of Jimmy. I said, yeah, this is Jimmy. That's a great impression because I know. I know. Everybody else didn't catch it on. So check it. I said, you tell Dr. Trey, tell Dr. if you give me 16, we can do this together. And that's how I got 16. And we did an analog. But you know how they got it to me within 24 hours? ISDN. Oh, the mail service. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, but you know how it worked? The actual headquarters was had their move. No, it was in, was it again or somewhere? In the ambulance. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just like one place you shoot it to them. Yeah. And you plan it over the phone. You have to have the, the, the, the machine, the, the, the, the rack. Yeah. You had to have that. And you, that goes over the phone, plug the phone to it and it plays it straight to them. And then it goes to California or wherever you want it to go. But they were the headquarters to get music sent at high quality. Wow. Better than digital. Wow. And this is back. This is the line in the verse. This is 94. Wow. Wow. 1994. Wow. When we worked on that song and that's what convinced Jimmy. And it became Jimmy's favorite song. God damn it. At me and Faye, we were together about a week and a half ago. You and Jimmy? No. Jimmy, Andrei. Andrei. Where's my phone? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We, yeah. We want to see the, yeah. So yeah. Uh-huh. We, we were together doing vinyl night. You got to do vinyl night with them. Okay. What is vinyl night dad? It's, they got the vinyl and they playing your records. All your records. So they had Paul McCartney. Oh, shit. Playing all of Beattu's records and just the high density, you know, it's like, wow. So, um, so we sitting there and we playing me and Dre just joking about how, and the story is consistent. Like Jimmy talking about it and he's like, yeah. That's like almost a documentary. You know what? I really feel like if, uh, what was the, the documentary that they did was the Chronicles. The, the, with Jimmy, I mean, Jimmy, I mean, Dre, they call that, um, the chosen. It was, uh, no, it was, uh, whatever. It was dope. It was dope. But I thought that Jimmy, because y'all know Jimmy was a producer, right? Right. Okay. That's why he loves to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's how. What is it called? I'm sorry. What is it called? Defiant. The Defiant one. Defiant one. Defiant one. So I thought it should be more Defiant ones. And I'm going to show y'all something, but let me show y'all us first, like, right on that. It was amazing. I'll never, I don't post out pictures like that's the stuff you keep sacred, you know, because you won't find like this is, that was a billion dollars in the room. Right. Billions of dollars. But I don't know if you know, you're very famous. It's the girl's got a room you know. You're very famous. You, you have to. I'm almost, almost. Yeah. No, like, almost. Okay. I like that. I like that. I like that. I'm going to take a shot for that. I'm sorry. Look at the people that was in the room. There you go. Yeah. They're getting. God damn it. I feel poor already. Is that Larry Jackson? LA Reed. Dr. Dre, you and Jimmy Alvine. That is. Oh, let me see. Oh, let me see. Let me see. Pass around the room. That is how you, how do you say money? I never want to say that money. You're not going to pass your phone around the room. I don't know, man. He might put his number in there. So I'm telling you, holy shit. Who, Moley? They may not believe it. Yeah, no. You know, some people don't believe, yo. No, no. I was with. Right. You got to unlock it. Oh, yeah. I don't think you should pass it around. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. You can do it afterwards. Yeah, it's okay. I'll show you, I'll leave. Yo, that is something. I trust everybody here, but I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay. When that happened, I felt like Jimmy could actually do a series of defined ones. Easily, yeah. Oh, that's a great idea. And I was going to break the idea to him while we was at the house, but we was just having so much fun doing the vinyl. I'll send this to him tonight. It was so, it was so. I'm a Texanist, you're doing him tonight. It was so special. Like, I want to be a little bit of a dooser. I was so tired of my music, I was like, yo, play a LAV song, man. All right. Play a Dre song. All right. All right. And it was like, no, tonight is your night, bro. I was like, wow. That's dope. And that was so special. I felt, you know, I felt amazed, you know, because I ain't talked to Jimmy in a while because I kind of, it's moving around. After losing my mom, I kind of went dormant, you know, you got to go away. Come back. I moved from Vegas. As I said, man, I felt like Vegas, you know, took my mother out of here. But, you know, I just moved anyway. And I said, you know, let me go to Texas for a minute. Now I'm here. I'm like, that's my house. You know, that, that type of stuff I like to do. And when I went to Virginia, I just set up shop and just move. But I'm going to say this. When you got good friends, you got good people like that. You got to really like, those are the people that you keep. Those are corners. I know what corners is. It's not circles. It's corners. And I had to get rid of the circles. That's why I'm, you know, I'm not solo. I got a new team, but I just had to get away from the blessing blockers. You know, sometimes what's for you is for you. I said blockers. I never heard that. That's crazy. What's for you is for you. I got that almost. That's a call. I've always, I've been so patient to tell my truth, which is why I have the book now. And you can see everything in there in all the people that I work with. One person is not in there that, you know, I felt, I wish he was. And, but because of the circumstances and I'm dealing with the corporate world, they told me to pull it. And that's my brother, Diddy. You know, I mean, I've never, you know, witnessed or anything. I never experienced nothing. I know nothing. All I know is he was my intern. And I only been to one event, which was when he got a star in Hollywood, because it said Harlem to Hollywood. So I hope it's okay to talk about this. No, of course, of course. We, we, we, we, we just, we, we just say, wait, we, we, we, we have never, not witnessed that. Yeah. When they told me, it's just like, yo, this is very, you know, it's, it's disappointing, you know, but it is what it is, you know. But I have to say, man, it's, it's, it's a lot that we are not subject to. And we, we go through stuff and, you know, I wish I could have caught it. Cause I catch a lot. I catch a lot of my brothers and my little brothers. But, you know, sometimes the little brother feel like he's the big brother. You got to let them become the big brother. And, you know, but I was, I was in there. I was out of there. In there. Out of there. So let's do the gig. Okay. Let's spin this guy. I'm in. I'm in. I ain't so attracted to her off. Keep sweat or Christopher Williams. This is not my, this is these guys. Come on. What is it? Who did it? Who did it? The Dominican and the Colombian. Oh, okay. I can see why. I can see why. I can see why. I understand. Okay. I understand. I understand. I understand. Okay. Well, I have to say Keith sweat. Keith sweat. And why I say Keith sweat? Because not because I work with him. Right. And not because of, uh, uh, uh, we're brothers. Right. I say Keith sweat, even if we weren't brothers. Keith sweat is a signature. Right. Keith sweat created a signature. See, it's a difference. Like when I created New Jack swing, it's my signature. Right. Christopher Williams, you know, he didn't have a signature. He had a voice like Teddy Pinnagrass or Colonel Abrams, you know, that's, that's not creating the signature. Right. Nothing against him because he's a dope singer and he's my boy. It's my brother. But Keith, you know his records. Yeah. You know that's him. And that's something you can't take away from a person. It's just like, you know, it's Bobby. Right. I create signatures. When I made them saying they walked out of the studio, both of them, walked out of the studio on me. Bobby and I got into a little small argument. I don't argue. You don't look like you argue. I don't argue. Okay. I just say, yo, we don't have to do this shit. And keep it moving. And then he walked out. He's like, okay, effort. He walked out. Oh, Bobby? Yeah. I can picture the whole scene. But we did this in the projects. We did, I did, I did my program on the 12 track. A Kai. It was like a mixtape. And they couldn't create or reproduce the sound. So I had to take my 12 track to the studio to keep the sound. Right. And I'm a stick, you know, I'm like, that's like, I have to have the same sound. My ear was so keen to having the same sound when I tried to re-record it. Right. At Access Studios and... It's like, this don't sound like the house. I need the grid. I needed to be crimey. So I bought that dog and put that thing in the car. We took it down. We just dropped it. You know about writing code and generating new code? Yeah, absolutely. But I want to act one thing. No, but we had to create new code in order for me to sync my drum machine or anything up to the actual Kai to the 24 track. Oh my God. This is very complicated. Yes. When we did that, everything turned out perfect. Now it's time to sing. Okay. We got in the studio, started, I had to track up and everything. Next thing you know, let's go. Let's go. Get busy. Everything is good, right? Now it's time to sing. I said, stop. Stop. Oh, because he pre-recorded it on the other track you're saying? No, we were practicing. We never put the vocal down at the house. The music was down. When we got to the studio, we had practices like, okay, you good. Let's take it to the studio. So we took it to the studio and he's singing it different. Right. Next thing you know, I said, stop. Bro, you ain't singing it like how you was doing at the house, man. I don't forget nothing. He said, who you talking to? I told you, I'm argue. I was just like, yo, I'm just saying. So he's a big dude. He's like calling to me. I'm like, I'm just saying, man, you ain't singing it like how you did it at the house. Now come on, man. He said, you know who I am? I make girl next door, I make hits. So I started flexing. I was like, you know, we don't have to do this. He said, oh, fuck it then. He left the studio and then the A&R called me, apologized. He was just like, yo, please don't leave the studio. I'm about to go home. I don't have to do this. He's like, man, just give me a chance. Let me call him and they call them and say, yo, if you don't get your ass back in the studio, we gonna can your album. You got records from Babyface and L.A. some icons. And then this is an icon. He's just not a kid. He's an icon. Get back in the studio. He came back to the studio and you know how we used to try to get the last word. It's like, all right, we're going to do this. If it don't go my way, if it don't go the way you say, we're going to do it my way. That's okay. He said, all right, let's go. I said, let's go. He said, all right, I let him get the last word. He got in that room and sung it all the way up to the second verse and he stopped. It came in the room. He said, I want to hear it. Okay. So he had the demo face. Like he didn't want to give no type of emotions or nothing. He's just at that moment, he didn't like me. So I was like, let's play the record. Oh, they say I'm crazy. I really don't care. Got all the way to the second verse. He said, I am going back in the room. He went back in the room. Next thing you know, my name was said. I said, yeah, I didn't like it. I know he liked it because my name wouldn't be in there twice. We became best friends. We became brothers. And that's how being a producer is like being a shrink. You know what I'm saying? Being a doctor, you got to convince the person that the medicine is good. Trust the process. And I know we all go through it for everybody. We go through it. That is deep. You know, something I've never heard in broken time. Our job is to make you better than you thought. You know, like you think you got all you and then you didn't realize that. I didn't know I can go even more. And that's what I did with Bobby. That's an incredible career. Yo, that's crazy. He's my prerogative. Could have possibly not been made had he not came back to that. But I feel that the way he probably approached the record after that, added to the record because you guys, man, he sung that bridge. I had one take on the bridge. He ain't had to punch nothing or nothing. When you feel good about a record, you're going to do you're going to make that record. By here, you're going to do the best. And that's what he did. Bobby, when he got something, he got it. He would you do one take. All right. He's a because he's a he's a performer. And what he does on the stage, he put it in the studio. And that's the thing that I love about him. I'll tell you another one take guys. Johnny Kim just got paid. Just got this. Never sung twice. Friday night. That dude killed that record. Now, Keith Swed. He didn't he didn't walk out of the studio on me. He was just hard. It was hard for him because I was I was young. It was hard for him to take the advice from me, like, you know, and I had to say, this is your sound. This is your signature. And then he finally got it after listening to his, you know, himself sing it all the way down. He got it. You know, most singers are like that, you know, when you kind of guide them. That's our job was to give you guidance. And most people don't want guidance. You're right. Especially an artist and artists. Yeah. Because we have to tap into ego. That's the thing about artistry. You have to tap into your ego and the ego is the one that exactly allow you to listen. You ever noticed some of them artists just after after they first album, they become the producer. It's like, yeah, I'm producing everything. Right. What happened to Timberland? What happened to Pharrell? We got you there. That's who got you there. But most times, you know, you get these producers like that. I mean, these artists like that, and they want to now be the leader. And you don't think they got it. Find out that I should have listened. Absolutely. What's next? The next one. Yeah. Mesa can move. That's hard on shit. Cameron or Mace. I got to stay out of this one. Drinking. I'm let me get, let me get, let me get it. I plead the fifth. So we drinking here. Yeah. Salute. Next one. I know people thinking, yo, he ain't drinking nothing. I don't even know. What are you drinking over there? Muscata. I like wine because it mellows me, you know, and I don't even do it sometimes. Last time I drunk wine was maybe about three, four months ago. I'm not a drinker. So I decided, you know, I didn't want to be a party pooper. No, no, no. This would have been great with or without you drinking. Okay. So you know, like that wasn't mellows me. You know, sometimes I'll get in the studio and just, you know, wifey would be like, yo, you want to try some wine and I'll be like, let's get it. Like party time. Yeah. Yeah. LaFace or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. You better get the drink. I'm getting to drinking. Okay. Salute. I know, I know, I know, I know what y'all getting to though. I know what y'all getting to the same with a little bit of salsa water. No, the same way you did. I like that. I got the vodka with a little bit of salsa water. You know what I mean? Okay. You know what I mean? Okay. It's a little bit of balance. Let's go. Balance it out, buddy. Balance it out a little bit. Go ahead. You got more in you? I'm good. You're good. He holding it down. I ain't gonna lie. You holding it down. He looking smooth over right now. I seen you tips before. I seen you. And your earrings, your earrings just shining in the scene all over the place. You good. You good. What's your name? Yeah, you want to get to the end of the line? Yeah. High five or shy? Oh, come on. But I got to, I got, I'm not drinking no more. Okay. Yeah. That's crazy. I have to say. Thank you. Even though these are my guys, but I'm gonna. It's always got to be you, Sonny. Look, you see them? I'm gonna pick. I'm gonna pick one. And I'll tell you why I picked that one. I picked shy. Yeah. I picked shy because because I just had a performance with them. Them some singing fools. Without no music. They're singing fools. And I realized that, you know, this sound to me was like up the alley of, you know, boys demand take six, you know, their harmony was lush, you know, like I love harmonies. Like old school do-up. Old school do-up, barbershop, you know, vocals. So when I first heard the, if I ever fall in love again. Biled record. That record is, that's a problem. Yeah. But high five is a problem with Tony. When he passed, it changed, but we put them back together. And they are there. When you hear the new high five record, you're gonna be amazed. But I have to give it to shy right now because they're together. They rock. Okay. All right. This is this. This is this. Yeah. Yeah. I already know what y'all are gonna say. No, no, no. I bet you. I got the guy. I got the guy. I got the guy. This one, please. I didn't even see y'all phone. I don't know exactly what y'all are gonna say. New Egyptian or Jackson Fahm. See. So. So what happened was. Your criteria. Your criteria is. Yeah, remember. This is whatever. I have to say the Jackson five. Okay. Because there wouldn't be no new addition without the Jackson five. And the Jackson five, when I work with the Jackson's and Michael, I work with the mall. I work with the mall. And we did 2300 Jackson Street. And they were. I'm sorry. You give me good. Sorry. I'm sorry. This doesn't happen to me. I'm sorry. Their hominids. Their hominids are amazing. And but just to be, it's like going to like my first year of college, working with the Jackson's and having everybody there, Janet, Rebe, LaToya, being in the presence of. What's the pop's name? What's the pop's name? I got it. What's the name? Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. I didn't know that. We didn't allow Joe to be there. Because Michael was like, he's a meanie. He's a meanie. Oh, my God. He's willing to be there. I thought you were meeting me. Michael, Michael. He's a meanie. So take his calls. Exactly. Like Michael would say that. I was like, why? Okay. Father. Yeah, he's a meanie. He's a meanie. Shit. My bad. I know what he wants. I know exactly what he wants. Michael used to crack me out. Right. He'd be like, no, don't take that call. Only person can call me is Mother Catherine. Holy shit. Yep. His mother. Oh, no, I gotta ask you. I just found this record today. I want to see if you know this record. I'll get to that. Yeah, no. Have you, I've never seen this. I don't know if this is someone produced this. Have you ever seen this record? Yes. I've seen this record before, one day. This is, what are we looking at? It's a Michael Jackson. I've never seen that ever in my life. That really didn't go anywhere. That was AI back in the days? No. Oh, relax. That was AI back in the day. It looked like AI. But yeah, I've never seen that record before and I've heard that record, but it really never did anything. I'm reading the dragon. I've never heard none of these records. What the fuck is going on here? Wait, it's a Stephen Michael? No, it's an album. It's an album. Yeah, he did it on the album. No. That was before Off the Wall. Wow. Right before it? I think right before it. Look at the year. You got the credit. It was 80. Yeah. 80. Wow. It was before it. That's when they were testing his solo career. Oh, so right out of the Jackson 5? Right after the Jackson 5. Yeah, Jackson 5. Right. Wow. This is a secret Michael album that no one knows about. I mean, no, it was, you know how how you say they didn't want people to know that record? Oh, wow. You know, because when Off the Wall came, you know, it was like when you're trying to put out something, really take an artist to the next level. It's almost like when when LAV put out Usher's album, he put out the wrong single and he pulled it back and then put out Confessions. The same thing with You Remind Me. No. Yeah. Usher. Usher. I think Zahlie would understand more like the first Zahlie Zahlie summer summer summer summer summer album versus the 90s or 2000s R&B 90s 90s 90s 90s babies made yeah it was more baby making and music was substance you got music with substance like 2000s started getting into the plastic and the music that wasn't didn't have the staying power you can hear a record in 2000 today you'd be like damn I forgot about that would you hear a record in the 90s yep it's like yo put that joint back on yep that's the vinyl and it's kind of timeless because if a person didn't hear that record they'll listen to that thing in that it's it's it's it's yeah most music in 2000 was black and white right the music back in the 90s was colorful yeah I agree I had different colors to it like I agree with that like when when when guy came out it made it cool for dudes to wear gators again and put on colors and you know you wasn't being scrutinized when boys the men did those records you know you felt great you know going to the club with your girl these are records that stood the test of time black it's still bumping right now even 112 peaches and cream you know you remember the name of song in the 90s you don't remember what song you remember in 2000 besides your music not me not me anybody yeah huh that was 99 yeah that was 99 he just made it so okay this is a good one SWV or escape nothing against escape and not because I work with SWV but I'm a pleaded fifth okay we drink it I'm yeah we drink my wine I had wine over here and one over here it's like okay now we stop this is this is this is I think this next one okay Lauren Hill or Erica by doing Lauren Hill ladies and gentlemen that's very easy huh that was very easy for you yeah it was because Lauren Hill had a they both had signatures they both have signatures I just think that Lauren Hill had to be great it's you know she they she had the records that made you it's like wow and then she had the bounce records you know yeah she had those records even though Erica by do had the pumping records but it was hard to for me I felt like she didn't have like like you could take Lauren Hill to the clubs to the picnic and to the wedding thank you wait you say that again I'm sorry you can take Lauren Hill to the club to the picnic and a wedding right and the wedding yeah the wedding okay yeah yeah okay you're right yeah but you could take Erica by do there too and you take it bedroom yeah and the incense and incense yeah we love we love we blew it down man she made it show all of us she made you we smell like good like yes yes and we've been by do out ever since but yes we've been so yeah so big up to Erica by do and Lauren Hill yeah we definitely want to give Lauren Hill her flowers yeah so big them both up then I think that was a great comparison you want to go to the next one now this was you this is actually okay all right hold on let me look at it okay all right this relates to you okay that's crazy that's just very true yeah I'm like one of the first people to work with both yeah Tammy Lucas or Kalees Wow it would be Kalees Wow you know cuz she had Kalees is an artist mm-hmm Tammy was the writer all right yeah that's that's what I and she had the background vocals of life right Kalees was just the artist and you know she wrote some of her stuff I don't know how much of it mm-hmm but I felt like it would be Kalees because she was out there more mm-hmm Tammy was the hidden jewel mm-hmm and still is like I don't know this she doesn't know this to this day we wanted to get her for my video who we couldn't find her like I'm Tammy yeah I could we couldn't find her like I mean I was in our e I was probably just thinking about I was just coming up as my first hit it's my first global hit mm-hmm so I was probably like like I couldn't get her and they was just like we can't reach her and then I just like probably get going without always like something and and what I heard is that she wanted to be a background she didn't want to be in the front yeah well she did have a that's how Tammy Lucas and I met actually reached out to her because I loved her record oh wow first single okay was like it was a club banger oh wow and then we just started making records and you know Tammy wrote Goodbye Love Wow I did not know that yeah oh yeah she wrote he she wrote Goodbye Love she wrote joy for for for Michael Jackson and then we want to bring it to to a Black Street she also wrote tonight's night for Black Street Tammy's up in a sick yeah now if you're talking about on the writing level I would pick Tammy okay yeah okay this is so dope humo D your father MC we prepared you know it's cool mo D I'm picking the no no no no no we won't I'm not trying to drink but I'm it's cool mo D because you know he's one of them one of the most educated rappers you know this is one come on D got his master his degree like come on D is a booksmart like he can tell you any and everything about anything and that's why I worked with him because it was nothing that like he never said things twice hmm wow I was a real MC we need come on D over here so yeah him and Chubb Rock Chubb Rock and father MC as well yeah and father MC yeah yeah Chubb Rock I spoke to him for like two seconds I'm sorry he's a party he's a party guy I wouldn't say he's an educated like rapper right right he brought you to the roller skating wing to the club you know to the picnic you know but come on D will bring you there now he was big cool mo D yeah well trying to spend money will bring you to the hip hop parties and make you believe everything he said right yeah Aaron Hall or Timmy Gatling that was awkward was supposed to be Aaron Hall R Kelly yeah that's what I thought job but what's supposed to be these guys hold on right it will be Aaron Hall yeah Timmy Gatling was a great writer it still is but Timmy wasn't like a singer to me Timmy was like like me you know get in where you fit in right and get out because when it comes to blowing Aaron Hall was singing the lights off back then okay but let me ask you now let me switch the conversation mid conversation Aaron Hall or Kelly what do you think R Kelly all day R Kelly it would be R Kelly because R Kelly first of all you mess with a signature R Kelly doesn't sound like our Aaron Hall everybody keeps saying it and I'm just gonna give you the will he never sounded like R Kelly didn't sound like anybody yeah he sounded like himself he had one of the smoothest voices that will put you in the rain the like Donnie Hathaway that was his like R Kelly created his signature like Donnie Hathaway logic or pro tools logic do you know I'm the first logic user really yeah very first I use logic on our tarry Commodore I did remember the time on our tarry Commodore it wasn't called logic it was called no tater and then it went from no tater to no tater logic and then they just took the no tater out and call it logic when it went to Macintosh right before Apple it was called Macintosh crazy so you know that computer all you see was this when you play Tetris song and Michael Jackson joked my damn computer he made me by multi he's like this is this thing doesn't work no first of all what you say what is that I had it on a laptop he's like what is that I think that's why I make my music he said he said I mean is it good like how long you had it like I had it for some time now you know he said um where'd you buy it like I bought it my guy you know cooked me up with it and I bought it he buy more like I think we need more I truly think so that we'll never go down he's like normal can you take take the model number invite more you know in case so we never go down it's like okay you know it's in the book but can I ask you did you just say Atari Atari Commodore computer they had their computer that Atari had their own and logic was on there yeah yeah before everybody that's triple OG computer shit yeah definitely it's like 1.0 so the original version MS does not even before that I think you hit in the block he's to play that on my downtime kid oh my god before analog it was no sound coming out of it you know that was just the MIDI that's why I was called notator because it's just MIDI and then I would use the MP that's when I had MPs I used to MP it would basically I played my drum machine all of that stuff through it and all my keyboards would be MIDI and I have a lot of producers would know this is called e-magic it was the MIDI and I MIDI all my keyboards to the computer which is basically MIDI is like syncing all the different stuff together but I'm also the first on Pro Tools as well oh shit you know why before Pro Tools there was sound tools and sound tools was only two tracks and then it graduated to four tracks and then that's when Digi Design made it you know I was the first in Dorsey I was on I don't know if anybody have seen the 888 that was the first interface the very first and I had an endorsement I was the first endorsement with them wow yeah so but between the two I like Logic because Logic you can have custom key commands Pro Tools no custom key commands so you got it it's almost like slavery you have to use their key commands you have to do it their way you know I couldn't learn when when logic had the custom key commands I was like freedom all right clips or outcasts start drinking I'll drink to that one oh my way let me say congratulations to the clip yes congratulations to the nephews yeah yeah yeah and yeah and but I have to say both of them they are problems they they they are amazing I text push a T and I text Pharrell although I'm not from Virginia I felt like I felt like the spirit when was my win as well like like when I got to see like Pharrell win and then the clips winner at the same night and clips being clips they didn't compromise they didn't like you know I'm saying like change they didn't change they was like so I text push it myself I was just like yo bro I just want you to know that's my win too like I won that shit too exactly and I text Pharrell the same shit but in like in a different language because I didn't want to send them the same exact I even want to copy and paste you know I'm saying so so but I look and that shit was like that you know I want to big them up I want a big hip hop up I'm one of one like and then you we actually think of that like now like you know we had Virgil you know we had yay and and we got fucking you know Pharrell at the fucking hell VmH I haven't got my friends and family package it's okay it's okay it's okay when you think about what hip hop when you think about that biggy line do you think that hip hop was making this wall and that shit is crazy that's huge that's that's a signature like that's a slogan that should be a dog on billboard it should be billboards like that should stay everywhere everywhere everything that probably make it on hip what what the hip hop 50th birthday that should have been on every billboard yes yeah nobody put it up there yeah damn that's real that's real that's real I got still got goosebumps got more yeah yeah we got a few more few more MPC 60 or SP 1200 and PC 60 straight producer question huh that's a straight producer question yeah definitely this for you man okay question wait okay um wait down okay it's a car question I cool hi BMW M3 or the Benz GT coupe GT coupe GT coupe yeah okay New Jack City or King of New York New Jack what New Jack City or King of New York New Jack City New Jack City for sure super producer question here Roland V synth or Yamaha motif what do you know I have about how many babe I got about five or six Roland V synths they're discontinued so I buy them all every time I see when I buy it because it's my sound right the vocal sound on that that's what you see me playing every on stage if y'all have one here oh I was in a radio station we did a Q&A book signing and and we were doing questions and I was playing the records and they were like so I played remember the time on it right it was like it sounds like the record I said yeah this is but that's when I did it so you said you replayed it over for the play oh wow that's fire and right in front of everybody's like oh they didn't understand like where's the music coming from in the mic and I'm that up that up and it's coming out of the keyboard it's like so yeah next time I love every every beat that he mimics it sounds exactly like it's like you reference the first with a beatbox when you did the records you know you know when you make these records you at least I know the music parts a lot of my songs I don't because Michael do that didn't he use the sound out records like melodies and stuff man I remember we're in a room actually making a joint with a dog on upright piano and him doing a beatbox and I was like how am I gonna convince him like with a damn upright right but he had a imagination because he's like no drum machines no nothing you take the piano and I have this idea check it out it goes like this you told me Michael had the beat he beatboxed it's no no no he's be boxing regularly and I was like what am I gonna do to that my mind went to change round because he loves change rounds so I went so put that and he's making this we making this on a dog on upright piano I was like this dude's taking me through college right now I never made no nothing creating anything on the upright piano you do that in church you know but that's the way he work spoons and wash you know yo he's straight from the old days like that's the way he makes music crazy we almost done Dougie fresh or slick Rick drinking that's some hall of shit he's like every deep like every deep man you bully man huh yeah y'all you're bullying me right now that's a that's not a good one okay so this is the last one anything about which is not right this like Rick that you would like to say oh dick oh one those are my brothers man and and we started out you know back in high school I can't put them against each other that's like taking that's like putting you against yeah we don't want to do it exactly yeah I would I'll be drinking we all get it let's drink for them again yes drink for them one more time and alright so this is the last one before we go back into the interview I bet y'all know what it is loyalty or respect wow okay wow no I don't don't fuck it's gonna take a shot just for leaving right now now yeah yeah we got we got a celebration shot for him right yeah that's right and after you holding it down yeah he held it down man that's right you are holding up the family name hey it is it is I am going to I'm going to say because I spoke about corners and circles so I would choose I would choose them both yeah I have so quick just drink my reason for picking them both yes please yeah please we need a good reason please you can't buy loyalty mm and you can't buy respect both is our goal is no cost there's no cost I don't see why anybody picks one to be exactly that's that's for me and him but they come up with really do yeah great for respect great for loyalty but I think they go hand in hand they do they do because if you don't have the loyalty and the respect then you ain't got a corner yep right you just got a circle because somebody was gonna do this to you and then break out right yep right you don't want people like that I had to get rid of them well I had to get away from them you know it it was kind of when you start entering your 50s you don't want no headaches or stress mm you don't want no nothing because when you're getting your 60s you mind well hang it up mm-hmm as you stress like you just done mm-hmm and I'm not done yet you know just like we know you well said you can be eight or 80 mm you can still keep going you keep going just keep the stress out and that's what Quincy said before he passed he says you know what's the one thing that if you had to do it all over again that you would stay away from he said you know the headaches the stress you know let no one stress you it's difficult now you know let no one spoil your joy then that's the that's the key to life we're bombarded bombarded with stress right now yes by this to you know yeah that's true for our show is the frequency yeah the frequency shit is really want to give your flowers man we want you to know how much you mean to this game how much like face-to-face man-to-man you've said it's better than the cracker I just tell you man um like I I know I knew but I didn't know how much you produced I didn't know how I was like holy shit like cuz I already knew it but then when you look at it I'm like there's no way I like I know everything about Teddy but then these other records are playing and I'm like wait a minute and that goes back to that that signature sound that's my gift that we yeah I mean you but and I just want to tell you face-to-face man-to-man like man like you you you gave so much to our culture you gave so much to our us our people you're still given you're still given and we appreciate you we love you we want you to know that your legacy is is cemented in stone I appreciate it man you know we like not no dead serious like no actually and I'm gonna take a shot for you I'm starting to hear slurs I tell you this I tell you this about about you is very private guy you're very private guy yes indeed yes indeed yes indeed I I've been in the industry 20 years damn there and people you're not a person that people talk about like what I mean by that is like the rumor section you're not in the rumor section you're still you stay out of that but then now you're dropping a book oh you the book is out the book is out right it's out right so what makes you how do you navigate that like like cuz you're a pride I can tell you a private guy right how do you live a private life but then give a book to the world about your life I just felt it was time I had this book 12 years 12 years plus I do this 13 okay yeah how open were you when you very you know you're definitely when y'all read everybody who read it even down to like my kids they were like there's a lot of stuff I did not know wow good where a bad way good like you know but some bad like there was some bad things like to me seeing my life before me and right like that that you will read about I never wanted wanted to tell those stories and then I say you know what I'm getting older now you know and I must tell my truth and someone said to me you better tell your truth and tell your story before they tell it yet for someone else tell it somebody will tell your story and I say you know I gotta beat that you know we're coming with the TV film and it's even more than this we coming with the rooftop film is we come with a few things that that I think people want to see this is a roadmap some things you read in here don't follow it right and some things you're reading here you be like oh this is how he did that I'm gonna try that and it's a tool you know it's a tool and at the same time it's a collector's item because it's my first book my next book will probably be a children's book that's fire and the reason why I want to make a children's book because I always had this imaginary friend when I was young and my parents used to argue and fight and I say you know what this is my way to get away from and my imaginary friend was the music man so I'm writing the music man it tells you more about the music that inspired me and the tree of music that inspired me to create how I created and what made me do it and the how to's so this is not the how to it's just a roadmap man what did he do what did he use you know what technical aspect but the children book the children book will show them this is what you do it's almost like reading the manual but I got two more questions let me say it I got two more questions so it's almost like reading the manual of life how to start music or how to start creation so I think it would be some special be music behind it lots of music but kids music okay so I have two more questions before I go back and ask you um Jay-Z or Nas why did you do that back into the quick time with slime yeah this is crazy when back into it oh well I'm gonna play the fifth on that we got a drink now yeah definitely I've got wanted to drink anyway yeah yeah we know that okay now let me tell you well let quick quick quick quick no cap no cap fun fact do you know when I was coming up in the studio mm-hmm when I was coming up in the studio I was at the studio called power play power playing Queens yes exactly okay guess what I mean my first record so I don't know where you go I'm not okay okay okay damn you I'm an alumna with Nas Nas was and I were at the same studio he was rapping and starting his you know I guess I wanted to do and I was in the studio working with kids at work and I was working with um Fred McFallen and Alan George who made somebody else's guy and those guys were teaching me about how to produce yeah wow so that was you know I can't go against Nas now with Jay-Z Jay-Z you know just kind of Virginia and Jay-Z was the connection to you know signing um uh beanie seagull and all those guys but they came down to the studio to work with me because I heard I always heard this yes I've overheard this story that they were supposed to be signed to you and Jay-Z sidebar you see with sidebodies y'all need to be with me no no money's joking I don't know how it really came out but I would yeah I feel like Teddy just went dug on us right now oh no that really happened no but I I wasn't I wasn't ready for them right my thing was I was I was moin to the R&B all right but my my guys and my family from Philly they were like yo they need to be with you wow and I kind of sort of wish I would have signed at least one of them you know um I think would have been which one which one you you would think freeway freeway wow I could see that and the reason why because freeway was more like you know to me it was more like Rex and the fact like I could have done some crazy records with him but he was educated too he was sick yeah when it came to like yo stories and different things like that if you if you're related to Rex and the facts I could see beings and freeway like as that oh yeah as that group because beings was more more like yo being kick science he was more like yeah I love I'm being the broad yeah I love beings like I really like like um yeah so I ain't gonna so what I'm trying to say is like what you what you saying is like if I were to see them together with that oh that would have been crazy but that would have been another creation of like so you had the whole state property you had the whole state property or just it was just beings it was everyone it was the people who were back there my brothers the bias brothers and down shoot guns wow the young guns yeah so so so when they bought them down we they all used to come down just to hang with me and you know when they told freeway and yo y'all gonna see Teddy rally it was like yo they was excited about it but when jay was there it was like we see the god like the Michael Jackson of rap you know what I'm saying like jay was there to see you yeah he was we was working on you belong to the city oh yeah I'm in there making the beat so wait this is happening at that same time that's crazy I ain't see not one paper what the deal I was like oh you took my name and jay ain't like nothing he didn't like nothing everything was just from his right because that's the way he wrote right I'm like wow that's history so I got I got to work with the Michael Jackson of rap what should I say to Frank Sinatra hmm oh yeah Frank Sinatra Jackson so if you want to put it in perspective Frank Jackson Frank Jackson no that's that's that's crazy you call me Frank Jackson staying character yes you know it's crazy the only time I worked with Jay-Z I worked on the R. Kelly record it's me R. Kelly and me R. Kelly Jay-Z and Cameron wow should I see this part out the interview oh man this is his real shit like this is playing okay so now moving on we write this book this is the first time you're kind of like you know I mean everyone knows Teddy is a very protective person he doesn't is there something in your mind that you say okay I wrote this and now I have to like kind of like you know stand behind yeah I had to kind of like stand behind it I had to stand I stand by everything okay that's in this this book here because um it's literally um I would say three and a half decades of my life hmm you know and even like my son's mother she said you you wrote this this is the first book I said how you know I'm doing the second hmm she said because you got you got a lot more you need to talk about like you got a whole lot more you know you ain't even talk about what's really happened in the business what happened to you and differently I said it's not time for it do you talk about the k-pop era no no I'm talking about that's real part you know these are things you just gotta hold you got volumes yeah you gotta hold but yeah my next thing is creating the new jack swing symphony tour and performance and and describe this it's a whole symphony for I already bought my tickets everybody in tuxedos we come in here we're gonna use the Miami Symphony Orchestra and I want to share my music that way that's dope and I think it'll be so fly and then that is fire I have the G2.0 the guy 2.0 album coming this summer right and I yeah coming back out the new guy the new guy yeah literally yeah but you I wish I wish I wish I could have invited you to the concert I would I would have been there for a while we ended it with uh Frankie Beverly we all won oh that's the the singers I got and and these are these are new people yeah these you you know okay all right you know I'm the new guy I'm saying yeah these are new people but you remember Saad just took some all-star singers you know how R.L. and all of them they just put like a super group together right right I just took some all-star singers and created the Wontane clan of singers I like that shit you just got me and the Wontane I got my Frankie Beverly voice I have my R. Kelly voice and I have my Charlie Wilson and then I have my L. de Basch this one called so that's that matchup right there that's a mashup right when you hear the voices you'd be like how did he do it like I did a show in Boston and Ronnie DeVoe was there he called he called my guy he said how did Teddy do that how did he duplicate the voices of Black Street Guy and the guy is he said he's an architect what do you expect so he said yo is he gonna be is he gonna take that on tour and I say I'm gonna take it on tour I want to take it as my purpose I didn't want to do the same thing babyface did was go on tour with with uh all-star singers and people not know who they are so I just that's why I could say guy 2.0 not taking anything away from guy because guy is original right here you know but I I wanted to stay consistent and I didn't the Black Street thing I didn't want to do that the guys are still doing what they're doing but Aaron and Damian you know they're not on the road and we have to be consistent I'm I'm tired of my music just sitting dormant and people are not being able to enjoy enjoy it on stage you know so now I'm giving them that and people are walking away happy you know that this is a great show I didn't expect that we just did the Zulu ball 20,000 people headline and people were amazed like they didn't know what to expect until we gave them the songs and if it sounds like the music it's like that at least he gave us directly he gave us the album he gave us the picnic he gave us the club records you know so that's my my goal is just to take it on the road we have a tour coming out we have over 25 dates and I just want to enjoy the stage again that's fine so let me ask you with with that being said right um you know I'm a solo artist and I'm part of a group I'm part of Pona Noriega I'm part of Dreamchamps Dreamchamps is what we are doing um are you more comfortable being solo or are you more comfortable being in a group I'm never solo okay I'm not solo now right I'm a team player I always have to come with a team or army I'm not gonna if you see me solo I'm doing like an EDM album with talk box and you know vocalators and singing records that is exit singing for huh music music I want to make music that that people can really enjoy the music because most people like before hearing lyrics people like to beat right so that's why I'm only giving them with the with the full quarter talk box just kind of taking you there and and and it's like it would be like ecstasy to them you know they just enjoying the music and just going hard and I just want to be able to do with these DJs be doing making like $100,000 just stepping in the room with a bunch of lights and shit and you just playing boy Boris he's a producer right here Boris bro in the blunts over here oh he asked he's like is he DJing he's like because that's what they do now yeah they gotta go out and but I used to I used to yeah but my thing is coming with the talk box right there's nobody coming like that since staff punk right and now that they retired I'll say yo let me create something and just see what people feel about it that's not the same as Roger Troutman was doing yeah that's the same oh yeah I was past that torch right you know Roger actually came to my studio and one thing he said to me he said man you better not stop he invented that right no no who did invent it that it was invented between I feel like it's between him but I think it's Peter Frampton okay yeah because he played it with the guitar right now Roger played with the guitar but he also played with the people right it was the idea of using the tube yeah right okay and that's what I do now and um I got a lot of signature records out there where they know it's me because a lot of people were playing they playing the talk box but you know it's it's it's not the sound that I have would you consider that analog that is very analog no no analog um okay I just lost my train of thought okay t-pain no that not auto tune auto tune okay no it's it's it's before but would you would you you don't think it would no no I know it's before but I'm saying would you consider that could that be a description for it oh you talk about the analog auto tune no no I wouldn't even say that that's disrespectful okay okay I'm only joking no it's it's it's straight the tube it's the talk box um the auto tune you know I started with the auto tune before t-pain and before Rodney Jokers you can look at my testimony when it first came out they bought it to me to test beta tests and um I was like I don't want that I was like but I used it right because I felt like I didn't have to use it like how they're using it I use it just to keep like the original auto tune was just to auto tune yes like not too like like like just just the voice yes but it was the same thing right it's just you just turn it up more and you got it sound like a machine in different ways right right and you remember one of the records that you use auto tune on or do you I did a black tree record the second one damn it it was to keep uh the singers on key not me because I didn't my my my thing wasn't really singing I was just like rap singing you know so I didn't have to stay on key I just no digity was not on key oh shit I was off key but people they received it you know I bought the point across and that made me just say dag I could do more because it's almost like Johnny Guttal Watson real mother for you that wasn't on key right so I marked myself after them George Clinton definitely not definitely not on key but you know no no all right then you had uh he fucked me up then uh boss gag I mean it's not a bad thing no it's a great thing because it's not not being on key yeah boss gag you know that is no you got me see that black boy over there running scared there's all in the bottle I thought that was on key no that was not on key that was in and out I was in and out but I was fucked up in the head you know I think okay let's go to T-Pain incredible singer did y'all know that absolutely yeah okay so and incredible rapper as well yeah T-Pain can sing off key and people will still receive it yep he's just never tried it he's never tried it but I guarantee you because he knows his notes I know my notes how I learned how to sing because I play keys so if you know what you're playing on here I play by ear right if you got an ear for a keys you got an ear for a voice you just got to have a voice or you got to have a sound and you can play your voice yeah is what happens in that mode yep which gives you a lot of freedom in your voice like to do things stress be creative I I I felt like when I played when I played vocorders now it's two different things right vocorders you could play chords and that's how you hear like the all of the backgrounds on black street and all that that's vocorders all of those harmonies that's vocorders but the talkbox is single but you could also play chords with the talkbox kind of feels a little distorted because it's a mono but it's better to play it as a solo you can you get the sound out of it so let me let me ask you right because we had niles on here and I asked niles I said um is there anybody that ever told you no right and I feel like you're you're a person that I don't think anyone can tell no to as well right you're lying I've been told no okay have you you if you were like sure who who you who has told you no I don't think no one can tell you tell you who told me no okay I'm gonna put them on front street too I'm gonna you should I take a shot first or yeah take a shot everybody take a shot take a shot take a shot for no no meaning yes I think I'm smooth enough to say this okay good very wise told me no very wise but that's the executive but yeah that's that's the people that tell you no oh my hi damn I'm those are the people that tell you no you get those are the no but when you get to know from them it's like you you disappointed like I thought I had something he said no to guy right I wasn't ready I put them on front street I wasn't just saying a lot of raking company executives don't have the air okay I mean they just got the business sense has it ever been an artist who told you no no no because I mean most artists when they get in the room like who would tell for real no no no I kind of told him no one time hey man we all gotta learn we all gotta learn but let me ask you so so when I asked Nas that Nas said that Prince told him no because he didn't own his own publishing right has anybody ever said and you just you just you just said to us at a 23 years you just now own your own publishing has there anybody that ever 35 years 35 years damn damn I put the 20th version you know after 35 years but um so that goes with publishing and with owning of the masters yeah well yeah I got I got 700 masters in my fault right now masters and guess who gave it to me it was actually at the studio the first studio I did guy I had about six to seven hundred twenty four tracks and I have to give flowers to two people and that's Chup Rock who gave me a lot of my man from Joe Rocker earlier yeah you did you gave me a lot of my um plaques and stuff back and Salam Rimi he gave me my dog on masters all 700 and some I seen this stuff man I couldn't even get it enough I thought I can get a small story she said he said no you're gonna need because you need some shit your tapes was most of the studio why okay can't can't hold on hold on hold on hold on Chubb Rock and Salam Rimi no this is that Chubb gave me like my plaques so I guess what he's trying to say is why are they holding them yeah right no they well you know Salam bought the studio like he bought the studio that I did the guy out so when he bought the suit is he automatically owned the masters no they were there they were just trying to return them back to the original the owners and I was that is so big and you know Salam said to me he said first of all I got something special to tell you but I also got this to tell you you remember the little boy that was actually in the studio while you was making groove me and I like in all of those records and it was a little kid and you remember my father used to bring me to the studio I said you was that little kid no that that that is the fun this is great Salam was the little kid that was in the studio while I was making I like in all those records at 17 18 19 years old and now look he became a super producer let's thank you that you're trying to give your flowers Salam Remy oh he should be on here no that's the whole family he said yeah he should be on here you're right he got so much man so much history man no he's he I would be he's a great I just feel so honored to be a part of it you know because he go back yeah he go back damn Salam Remy that that is so dope you you want to read this question because just in case they send this question I don't know it seems like sunny I don't like that you want me to read it I just don't want to I just feel like I feel like they are they attack me I'm not gonna read it in their word to you I'm not even gonna correct anything that they spell is it true that he did the Whitney Houston step by step record who yeah he did it yes I did the remix because they couldn't I was for some reason no I it became the record oh it became the main record you know of course people give say you get some amount to do a song and then you get some amount to do remix they call it a remix so they have to pay me that's fine and they want to turn it back appreciate that way they want to turn it to record the remix the the main record right it's amazing it's okay it's okay I take it I don't like none of these questions has an artist ever made you cry in the studio what yeah no I made artists cry okay let's do that and who did you make cry and there's a follow-up and say it in the Michael Jackson voice okay um scary spice that's not the Michael Jackson voice oh scary spice yeah okay what happened I didn't mean to but when you kind of tell artists you know you ain't singing it right you you gotta sing you know what she's saying she can't say bro and nobody can argue with you she she's like can you give me a minute to cry like whoa I know what to say you know like she was the first and then the second second was um a kpop artist her name was Tiffany is Tiffany Tiffany from yeah from Korea girls girls generation it was no no let me tell you something I love Korea because I love them for that and then do you know about the birthdays no what's weird like they find out they don't have birthdays different than ours like what the birthdays you won when you come out of the house like what oh you won when you come out of the room that makes sense to me I just told my son that I said yo you really too yeah right because when you came out you was one right and then I got to fight my whole family no Korea and then another thing so when they go to school yeah they go to school they go to school from eight to eight and they learn algebra they learn everything and then rocket science some of them that's why they got so many kpop artists because most of them don't want to be in school all those hours so they chose music that's their career that's yeah the other curriculum is music and that's how they became kpop artists because we don't want to go to school all day because some of them go to school all day and then it's mandatory at 19 they got to go to the army mandatory well we don't fuck that no they don't take no finance you don't go you go into jail america is not doing that we ain't doing that shit yeah so what's the other man's question too busy talking over here um little came on foxy brown damn you had a foxy brown record that record is ill too man I thank you I did that record for a dollar you know why but black sweets on the record as well yeah so I mean no I did it for a dollar right because my fee would have been you know right but I did it for a dollar you took it for the team and we did it for a dollar that slang huh like did it for a dollar is that slang like you mean like you really did it for a dollar no really a dollar one dollar wait talk call you you got I ain't can't call nobody you got me on or speed down right you got me on you got me on speed down you did it for a dollar I did not do I don't I'm trying to figure this out so call me or an asset no I believe you they didn't believe it themselves they were like uh uh when they came down they thought they could smooth me with all the Louis Vuitton's you remember they used to okay yeah I'll see you and I took a set uh his wife his ex-wife Kamara Kamara Kamali oh so you know they were the Louis Vuitton people okay they give you a Louis Vuitton right and um my my whole mindset wasn't about that I thought about the Tribeca Quests the beef the beef Leo was in my studio we had a beef well it was like you know so I was trying I was trying to like you know let's win them over give them the bracket for a dollar and get a favor because it's Def Jam it was Def Jam right so they came down and Russell's trying to you know like yeah man it was a joke everybody joking yeah that we hope we get them for like I hope he don't charge us arm and a leg and and they were so worried they never came to Virginia right when they came to Virginia and Russell they sidebar with me and it's like yo so what you gonna hit us in the head for that's what you're talking about he said I know your price man I said what are you talking about he said how much for the rickety I said you won't believe what I'm gonna charge you he said is he joking or what he asked me or so Leo's like come on man he's tell us what you want for the ricket I was like okay Russell go in your pocket you carry cash he said I don't carry a lot of cash I said pull out what you have in your pocket he pulled out some money and he happened to have a dollar I said spread it out like you in strip club he spread it out and I said okay he's like they look at each other like this nigga's joking he said you joking right now I was like nah it's not a joke just consider that a favor I want my favor so those two I'm standing right here on drink champ and I'm gonna say every interview y'all still owe me my favor Jesus you ain't cash in I ain't cash on yet I know you all the way over in Bali yeah I still want my favor yo and Leo he called me I was supposed to do I was supposed to do his party I think he put everybody on his jet yes you done it I was on there I was called and he called me to be on the jet oh shit and I said yo I can I have a concert I'm not able to make it he said I just wanted to know he said I call you that says I was like why is Leo sound drunk right his Leo actually that's the only way that's how you do you got that he sounds like a symptom and and and I said you know but catch me on the next one I'll definitely come you know because it's amazing just even hear from you but I'm one saying that calls you know you're still on my favor but I'm gonna catch you they owe you the favor man no but no it's me as my guy now I have to owe you the favor 100 yeah I have the ax thank you for co-signing that yeah 100% wait what they call signs he calls sign they say he's owed the favor oh what me and he needs to get that favor right whatever you want me to say hold on what you got yeah you can let him up you can let him up okay thank you take my back my son my son and like he bullies me he bullies me we've been bullied all this whole this episode this whole episode we've been realizing that everybody's is being bullied what you said what oh shit I'm not sure about your questions man okay well his beef for babyface his staff did not want to you know out it yourself you know I'm a beef for babyface like I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest how the fuck do you and babyface get beat why y'all putting us in the beef see this house this honestly happened with with biggy and two pockets black street no guy and new addition everybody putting us in beef drink no beef okay I just don't think that he would give me a shot for us to create verses on a stage like Monica and brandy and brandy oh and I'm telling them put back on your boxing robe and how you came out on verses and let's do this man let's get back in the ring let's take it to Africa what's that what uh uh babyface boomeray boomeray wasn't that Ali boomeray but this baby baby he don't want to water robe he want to roll yeah okay I want a fur oh yeah do y'all okay so you put on a robe you heard he can't you ain't you ain't see that I was like for real oh okay I called Mike Tyson magic johnson I had all everybody had done we had the furs and then the fight happened and then the teddy rally incident he never gave you my shot to finish we never got to finish do you know that so why don't we finish you want that smoke I listen I could see it in your eyes through your glasses listen you are ready for real it was like before like it won't be in the same room yeah your internet was a little crazy I remember that not it really wasn't it was just the equipment I had and IG was just through a little behind and technology yeah and now we got it together yeah no we did oh yeah I own my own internet you want that rematch I'm like no but but but but babyface is one of the most incredible writers in this whole entire world that's it I'm gonna never have a beef with him mm-hmm I just think that we need to do this the example is we had this idea first of putting it on the stage you and babyface yes well I did okay and then versus it was my dream and if had we did that because we were the only ones that never had versus like how we created it when they went on the stage that was our creation because that's what we did at the house mm-hmm if I didn't do that they would versus would have been still in the house am I right or wrong nobody would have never known about doing versus on no dog on stage it's like oh man Teddy did it now we should do this with everybody they even let beanie man and them have dog on boom boxes they killed it they killed it they got a little dangerous and got a little dangerous in a yard when the police came I said wait a minute was where are we going so yeah me doing what I did it's almost like what I did with new jack swing and everybody they got on it mm-hmm and I'm happy about that it's just a legacy mm-hmm that's all it is but babyface if you give me that shot we're gonna make the culture just go wow they just brought back versus like monica we how we let them get it before us and then then they did it well I'm gonna keep it 100 I bought it to some promoters and they didn't believe they didn't believe we're the we were the biggest of all the versus every last one you could put a couple of them together and still wouldn't even meet ours well you could put a few you could put more than five together still didn't make ours we had over eight billion instances they didn't want to display that but cnn told the truth cnn did yes they the ones who reported it was like this is over eight billion instances the reason why because ig didn't want us to beat um um um michelle obama mm she had a party the same day oh and guess who was DJing for the party D nice you damn right and he left the party so watch out come watch mm all the artists quaver called me and said yo you broke the rules so you we can't even get back in the room I said we can't even get back in our own that's what breaking the internet is right they didn't do it and everybody afterwards was like they didn't bring the hype the hype was the teddy rally internet broke he broke it then then he broke it again so that's so I I think he deserved that shot and I think you know face before you know he just say yo I'm I'm good I don't want to do this again I don't you know I'm I'm retiring this is the way to go out with a bang because we're bringing the culture he's got all those hits and I got some records and and it will be more than a three hour show but we wouldn't do that we're just going to give you a piece of our love and keep yo keep everybody coming I know what it would do the monica they're now they're the example we were supposed to be example but they are the example and you see how well that did yes I did people want to see verses on the stage absolutely and on tour and on tour so like say if swiss and temerland do a versus like tour mm-hmm with them on the stage because they started they got to be the versus would you say like monica and brandy no no temerland and swiss gotta be themselves and put it on the stage yes the same thing I mean already glad it's night and what's the name already doing it pagla bell yep they are they're doing it killing it well yeah these things would do well you just can't be afraid of it and that's what I feel and it's gotta be well produced as well yes okay come on with us too mm-hmm I just think that if we do that it will be off the chain it will take summer and winter we'll be probably asking us to come africa or something and I thought we should start it like a place like africa I heard you say that earlier it's like make it look like y'all this the rumble in the jungles like we can we go ahead and it won't be you go first you go second we just go back and forth like how trace on celebration and Chris Brown did it we celebrate there ain't no competition because I ain't competing against them not doing that I'm I will never compete with my brother that was just strictly for the culture and you know we made it look like we ain't backing down I know he ain't backing down and I'm not backing down neither like you know it is it so let me ask you right what in our culture right it's just like we we like people like us want to celebrate our legends but in hip hop or and people say all right man you know you're over the hill now like and like like and like I think I think you said it earlier before I was like man keep working like let's keep working but why in our culture there's no such thing as washed up in exactly jazz music there's no such thing in rock and roll these guys are 900 years old exactly on stage 110 why is it why is it in our culture that it's frowned upon because we are so critical in scrutinizing each other that we never give each other the love that we deserve so that's why sometimes you gotta just keep doing what you're doing so people can still receive you and you know don't let anybody turn you away or stare you away from being or striving to be great because one day they will see that you gotta show them your greatness in order for you to be accepted all right you just gotta show it don't talk about it you know a lot of people talk about don't bring r&b back or i'm gonna bring this back and and never conquer so you gotta now just do it and not talk about it just do it and and and and be strong about it just be determined i'm determined to you know be consistent because when you're consistent that's the key and you're not having to wait like i've got darts throwing at me when i said yo this is guy 2.0 but when people started hearing it they started getting those darts back right you know what i'm saying and that's what you gotta do like i really feel like you got another record in you i mean i do you know what i'm saying no seriously i promise you good if if for real you and for real like how the clips come on look at the clips yeah i got it i got the dr beat i got three of them okay recently yeah yeah a couple weeks ago so i'm so we got you give me a call yeah please please yeah i'm going i'm going to make sure y'all in the same city right now yeah it's like i'm coming to get us anywhere he's fucking me too and you you know you know um for me is when you do the records out of love like we first started we did this shit because we loved it exactly it was it was the industry who made us hate it but it's not the industry yeah and not only that it's just like like like when you spoke about um you know the career thing and all that like like certain things like certain people took advantage of like me for for sure i got took advantage of and for me to come back and me to do it on my own terms will be like like like that's gonna be what i love you know i'm saying the thing you're supposed to do is you're supposed to be on your own terms because it feels better yes instead of being forced yes you never forced it you're not a force i mean it'd be so easy for you i'd shoot yeah i'm gonna play you some shit i got some shit i'm already ready okay yeah no but then i'm gonna play you i'm gonna play some for you and then i would love because you know what um me and my partner like uh we said me at EFN um we really started this show to give people like you your flowers to give people like you your um your credit because it's truly that like like if it's not you like us related like like like us being connected like you truly are one of the icons you are icon you are legend you are a person that if it wasn't for you the music wouldn't be what it is today and i don't i'm not afraid to tell you that to your face that is like you push the needle you are the the move what would they call it the move shaker yeah yeah you are that person you are that person and um i feel like our culture uh has to celebrate that we have to praise that we have to let you know you know uh uh uh to your face and if our culture ain't gonna do it we will do it this is why i love doing this show because yeah as the young fan in me comes back and meets the icons and the heroes why so this is a an actual cassette that i bought right look at that that's crazy and i used to love because i was an aspiring dj couldn't afford turntables originally right so i loved all the singles because they had the instrumentals yeah yep yep and i but i hated that they always came in the paper so i used to cut them up and put them in the plastic right right so they would make so they would be protected so what you know that and i'm bringing you this not i mean this is rump shaker he knows the year that is 92 this record is listen to me there's two records in hip hop the defined summers whether this came out in the summer i couldn't tell you but i'm telling you defines for me summers is dwyck and rump shaker because he's jerked off to those videos keep it real relax buddy come on let's not at all i'll tell you i'll tell you a fact um it's so crazy because for so long we we wasn't considered we wasn't considered hip hop i know that but you know i'm in my amy i'm a miami guy so that was it so i wait hold on so y'all look at them no no no you understand i'm a miami so i'm not looking at that divisive stuff that's going on somewhere else okay to us this is this is this is the jam though this is it a lot of people like i said it's dwyck and this if people would have asked like you know so is it hip hop no that's an effect or that's new jack swing and why do music like i said scrutiny why music have to be put into a category or in into a box right when it was everything to everybody this was the first record the first booty song to play on mtv the very first side to life crew but they wasn't on mtv yet or never it took our i mean i mean after that record was decided by a judge the the first commercial about rump shaker was a judge and they played the record and you know it was like a demonstration this record makes mtv that's crazy i didn't know that yeah yeah yep and we did a lot to make that record make tv because we had some we had some stuff going on and we had some stars in there like you you would know like the the the girl is playing the saxophone right you know who that is nah who's that that's bobby brown's wife wow today my long time friend though wasn't his wife right right right that's his wife now do y'all think y'all introduce uh torgen no no no no no no that's all day that's that's luke that's i i've said a lot of my records i'm the east coast luke god damn it okay but listen you said this is hip hop nonetheless yeah but no it wasn't i mean well when the 50th to us in my anniversary we wasn't called and let me tell you something this is a hip hop hit record exactly give a fuck what nobody says the lead rapper is one of the most influenced influential rappers because a lot of people and i'm gonna keep it 100 a lot of people i got it got their style from him i'll kill a plus keep keep keep going he's a very educated rapper and freestyle yeah a plus after it but you know when people don't give you that respect you know he's just like y'all i got another job over here i could just do that and we just kind of left it alone but when we perform that song i mean i think it's gonna go down in history like i said i mean i don't know if everybody agrees with me but i feel like i think it was well and it's rump shaker those are the summer records for that time period which is the golden era in my you know from my generation of hip hop yeah it's tweaking and rump shaker like there's no other record that's gonna bring everybody on a dance floor like that i feel the same way you know this is that's a classic you know it's not a lot of rap classics you know that you could say i could play 20 years later this record 92 and still playing today in the clubs and the sample the original sample probably getting me used right first or no the original sample is by some i got soup million dollars for that record a million a million dollars i had to pay me so what's the original they called us lady later when the record the record did i have a million because the record is in court with that sample is crazy and part of my publishing check went to pay for that sample they let us is an indian band an indian band before public enemy before public enemy yeah and then jay used it afterwards yeah right yeah wow crazy so we know you didn't smoke the blunt the relax he's not yet it was a new that it was for later on before can i ask because this is for my inner junkie whoa whoa whoa oh the inner junkie in you uh was the was the what what kind of drugs was in the bobby brown sessions won't see what was it not you want to know and they were cooking the chicken the work with that did substance did not bring it around me i'm gonna tell you like like snoop dog and that's my brother but snoop would even ask me yo can we can we hit one in one day hey he smoked in the session right and erin hall was with us everybody was in the session and snoop came and he said i bet you can't hit this you you you'd never hit that and snoop had some strong stuff right and i said so i bet y'all would because they smoked every day him corrupt everybody uh quick everybody so i took a hit and it changed my life now i'm gonna tell you why because i have hyperthyroid hyperthyroidism and i used to have tremors my hands used to shake a lot you know i had a great disease cancer wow and i used to i could never sleep like when i'm in a studio session i can go to for 48 hours literally but for me what helped me and now we're working on the strand as a tea because as a tea you said okay okay good scene because uh indica is probably it's the best thing for me and i only have to take one and i'm i'm good it's because the up order down down it's a downer okay downer because i'm already up okay all right i'm already up like i'm like why you say jumping bunny you know i'm you out of here all right i can go no do or sell right i'm like do or sell like and um it was nothing that because i'm only like taking medicine at all yeah me it was nothing that could help me and my my ex manager i used to play with i used to just y'all you a pusher man you know like it was your drug dealer because he you know he he introduced he's when they had debates but i realized that was dangerous right then he said you know then you would have to do the real deal or let's figure out how we can turn it into a tea so i have a company now really putting together a strand and so it can make it into a tea that's so that's fire so that i'm able to you know sleep but it also helps me with my diodes so yeah okay so the drugs in the studio i could tell you a couple of people who asked me you know i'm at odb odb when he came to do the remix for fix okay and this is how you got that that part on fix when he went who huh her name is vagina to do had to have a 40 and he had to have his weed nobody never did weed in my studio the first person to do weed in my studio was buster rounds yeah my brother because he's like i don't feel good i feel good i need yo i need i don't feel right here yo yo i talked to you personations are off i talked to you from any that's what i'm saying i need to talk for you t r you go because uh something gotta give i was like we should talk to him he's like yo i know you're loud like you know smoking in studio well can um if you could just give me this one i'll finish this record like like trust wow i was like i you got a bus yeah he smoke it was it it changes you know it's another playing field when you got that so like even sometimes like when i'm in the studio i will have that feeling like today is the day i need to because i'm on something right now and i need to focus right so the stuff i do is give me a focus and i'm like in that zone and like just working on records for like usher and stuff and i'm like yo i gotta get in the zone so man take a picture man listen man i i can't thank you enough man like um i know you gotta wrap it up but i'm gonna take another shot for you i'm gonna take two more shots but you because you don't take one shot yeah yeah i'm gonna take two more shots um um because let me just tell you man um we all owe you man music nothing no no no no no let me give you my gift you gave me my gift no no no no no no no let me speak up no check this out i'm i'm i'm gonna be one hundred okay i didn't think i would ever make it here really why why no i'm serious because i i didn't really have like when i go on a show like all dude like your show has got to be something like this this really got me here i feel like this is my reason i know you wanted me to come on because we talked about it oh yes oh at the peace by peace but this right here i feel like this was the vehicle that i feel i have something to talk about and then all the stuff y'all wanted to ask me and then the games and it became like yo yo that's flowers for me yes you know i'm saying just coming on the show i don't like i told you i don't know i'm on my past right now but thank you for humoring us yeah yeah and and we have to we have to we have to you know what in case that's what you you you want to do it's people like us that we sit around and we said we have to say man like this like your legacy what you've done what you gave to us is you birth children you birth you know like when i said four different decades i'm sitting back and i'm just like that's it is so beautiful like you know what i mean there's people who don't last six months this people don't last six weeks this people don't last two weeks and the fact is that you have this eluxurious career i have to sit you as a man and tell you thank you thank you for doing that because i know how much sit you have probably been through i know how much shit that you ain't talking about in that book because i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i can't say i'm of you but what i'm trying to say is um of that same essence yeah we all come from the tree the tree and i know i know the hardship that you've been through and i know the fact that you you stand in here today as a man sitting there and you are you are who you are you are everyone loves you everyone worships you but i know i know sometimes what we've been through like you know i i look at my friends sometimes and i could see them go to mcdonald's and i could say to them fuck i'm jealous of them going to make them right right right not because i'm jealous of them going to mcdonald's i'm jealous that they can go to mcdonald's they can get they chicken for lay or fish for legs i know you don't eat chicken um they can get they fish for lay they can get they they uh uh uh because if there's one man that's vegan uh they get his they can get their friends fries and they can sit down sorry i'm not even mean to throw you out but they can sit down and that shit it vexes me sometimes because it's like damn i know what's our sacrifice for this industry you know how much i've done for this industry yeah and i can't even do it i can't even get a mcdonald's meal without being but yeah but you can it's just you choose not to so it's it's like i i want it like i watched this show probably since the beginning thank you thank you man thank you and and you know i was like that if i go on this show i want to have something i want to have something because i know i got something right but i want to have something more like something to talk about you know i'm always with substance you know and that's the reason why i kind of duck and dodge you know when i saw you like i ain't ready no it you know what but you know what the beautiful part about that was was i got like i said like i started this interview off when i got to see you be so happy for another person and i got to see her i can come saying like you like you one of these people that like you've done everything like you know what i mean like we we had will smith on here i'm sorry to be uh and will told us he said man there's a mountain top and when he said what is it what is it what cliff top and he was he was just describing to us how you you could make it to those to the top on the top and that should just not be enough and that's just scared the shit out of me that was okay i'm sorry because i feel like you about to say something because you're right you're right i always say you know it's it's easy to get to the top but it's hard to stay and stay there and my formula to that is this is the industry if you're trying to sustain yourself sometimes you got to sit down just like let the sub come in a lot of people don't know how to let the sub in right so that's what i did i i created subs um i created you know like architects that could fulfill what i'm doing while i'm sitting down and that's what for well you know that's what they all come in it's like hey at least i know that something came from or came through me that i'm able to say that he's doing it and when you see that like Rodney Jenkins as well you know and you're able to say that i'm a part of that it's like when you said with the clips no that's i'm a part of that that's that i that's my word too you know i feel that way as well but i would never say it's like you smile inside that that really shows right here it's it's it's all in here and it's all in here you know and and that's what you're seeing yeah because i'm proud like like 100 1000 percent proud of all of them i can tell you know what i'm saying it's it's no like never have been any type of adoration no because when you know like when you see like you do envision a tree like egg it only adds on to you but i got to see it i'm still behind you bro i know you was behind me but me me see me drop the tear of joy i did see that all you did i did see that because i was hiding behind me yeah who was sitting right behind me it was me my wife was dead she was filming i was i was almost wanting to say get the camera off because no you were right you were exactly where efn was to me and what i realized was our whole chemistry divorce together at that very moment i knew it already but i looked and and and you know what god bless hip hop man god bless hip hop man god bless yeah the last person that did that with me where i had a tear of joy was when i won we won the uh the crammy for no diggity and then what came next was uh record of the year and and boys to men one and rick rubin took a piece of paper and wrote that should have been your award and i said everything happens on god's time sometimes you gotta sit like i said you gotta sit back let god stare away it'll start your process right you trust the process you know you get there you just gotta stay in stay in the number stay in the game do another record yes i am absolutely but let me just let me just end it on this note i've really had to thank you again thank you again for your contribution to your contribution to to life not only just music thank you your music changed people's lives so i want to say thank you to for what you contributed to life even bigger music you know what i mean like when i'm sitting around and i'm sitting around i was like this man this man cate has our ears for 30 damn years and and 40 of course of course the name job is just downplaying it but i'm doing it in the right way what i'm trying to say is that shit is so beautiful man like i'm i'm proud to know you i'm proud to be in the uh the same area as you i'm proud to be in the same room as you i'm proud and uh me and him like we said man we want to give people their flowers while they are live they they trees while they can smell them and they thoughts what they can tell them and we want to tell you thank you brother we thank you for being who you are thank you for being this thank you and i'm so scared because i'm looking at your people and i can tell they they want you to go and i'm like okay we still gotta do a picture and drop in a but take one more shot let's do it oh i forgot i forgot i forgot i jerked you on the shot i jerked you on the shot i jerked you on the shot pause oh you know how the shit is this is gonna be i got i got this and it's salam salam and thank you and thank you to your team man thank you all of your your team is beautiful man um they was uh on point even though my my Dominican friends sent them the wrong address i'm blaming it on him i'm blaming you mr. lee i cannot blame them that i'm blaming you because a free on crocker hit me it was like do you know you have you have teddy on yourself of course i know do you know he goes you know they're outside and i'm going there's no way and i know it's the other spot no no no no i believe it was him sending the wrong address i'm blaming him on everything i'm blaming the Dominican god yo thank you so much though thank you so much yeah let's take a picture yeah drink champs is a drink champs llc production hosts and executive producers no re and dje fn listen to drink champs on apple podcast amazon music spotify or wherever you get your podcasts thanks for joining us for another episode of drink champs hosted by yours truly dje fn and nore please make sure to follow us on all our socials let's add drink champs across all platforms at the real noriega on ig at noriega on twitter mine is at who's crazy on ig at dje fn on twitter and most importantly stay up to date with the latest releases news and merch by going to drink champs dot com this is an i heart podcast 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