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There's a guy on the subway on the saxophone. He's got nothing waiting for him back at home. He sees a big green bean stalk blocking the sky. I got my foot in the door. He's got his foot in the door. I got a barbecue in Bible. In southern charm, I got skin in the game. With none of my arm, I met the funeral home. Trying not to flirt. I get hurt. I get hurt. You went back to the bed with the rain on the Hudson. It's too cold. I start to shiver. I don't want your world. Whoa. I start to shiver. I get hurt. I get hurt. Hurt. Thank you guys. Enjoy the show. Love it. One minute. It's love it. One minute. What's up, Brooklyn? One more time for Victor Jones. Such a fan. So glad they did this. Getting that guy in the fucking rise. You're gonna think I was there when I saw Victor Jones playing. Welcome to Love It or Leave It. Live at the Crown Hill Theater. We have got a great show for your night. David Krumholt is here. Anna Gostyer is here. Tonight we're gonna let out some battle cries, rank some cranks, and in the spirit of New York, rant our asses off. But first, let's get into it. What a week. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. And here in New York, there was a municipal contest that's also garnered some attention. Yes, Zoran Mamdani's improbable campaign has ended in victory. He will be the next mayor of New York City. All right. Could you imagine if Cuomo had won, had a walkout here? What a godforsaken episode that would have been. Look, Cuomo winning, it would have been bad for New York, but it would also have been bad for me. But we'll never know that world. Here's Zoran in his victory speech. Too many among us have turned to the right for answers to why they've been left behind. We will leave mediocrity in our past. No longer will we have to open a history book for proof that Democrats can dare to be great. But there are still a lot of good lessons in there, said Doris Kearn's goodwin, to the television at her friend's house, because you know she's one of those people that doesn't have a television. Now Republicans are going to use this victory by Mamdani to try to dump all over this city. And you know what? They're welcome to it, because New York is just one big genderless bathroom now. I think the New York Post put it best. The red apple on your marks gets that zoe. Socialist Mamdani wins raised for mayor. The fear mongering disgusts us. The wordplay delights us. Also it's pretty good, but Ninie Lennon was right there. I saw it move slowly across. Ninie Lennon. New York not only elected Mamdani, New York projected Andrew Cuomo. I was thinking about this and genuinely I'm open to hearing what the alternatives would be, but I think there's a good case to be made that Andrew Cuomo ran the most cynical political campaign in any of our lifetimes. Not just Democrats, Democrat, Republican. I can't think of a campaign as cynical as the one he ran. And so I am very glad that New York said fuck off to that. Cuomo is working so hard to bury his opponent you think Zoran lived in a nursing home in April of 2020. Here's a video Cuomo posted on Halloween. Where's your costume? Duh. I'm a socialist. Hey man. God that guy was crazy. Socialists are terrifying. What's terrifying is Cuomo can't stand when someone grabs at a woman without first threatening her job. Or let's look at Cuomo's other AI ad in which all the evils of Earth get together to vote for the guy. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. Yep. I'm a criminal. For Zoran. For Zoran Mamdani. It's funny now. It's amazing how far we've come technologically. Only yesterday it felt like ads like this were only made the old fashioned way with just a lone cartoonist drawing ethnic stereotypes for a right wing German newspaper. Congressman Andy Ogles tweeted literal footage from 9-11 with the message Wake Up New York. Of course someone with the name Ogles supported Cuomo. Cuomo also won the endorsement of Alderman Jack Fondle and Governor Hansy McSqueezum. And this is serious. When Dick Cheney saw that 9-11 was being politicized for a reason other than regime change in the Middle East, he died. Fucking chill out. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. I'm not going to be honest with you. Shortly after Free Soloing El Capitan. But back here in the city that never sleeps, and you can kind of see it in your faces, I'm sorry, you're right. You're right. I could have done a panda there. You know? A city that never sleeps and stopped electing creeps. That was an option. Should have done that. That's the mood. Cuomo himself laughed at the idea of Mamdani cheering 9-11. God forbid another 9-11. Can you imagine Mamdani in the seat? I could. He'd be cheering. It's another problem. Cuomo was doing Islamophobia in a city with one million Muslims as if voting is haram. And speaking of haram, on Monday Trump came out of the closet as a Cuomo sexual, saying Mamdani's principles have been tested for over a thousand years, and never once have they been successful. And of course we all remember what happened in the year 1022 when Emperor Basil II, nicknamed the Bulgar Slayer, led the Byzantine army to victory over the Georgians at Swindex, thus allowing him to enact his free buses policy. Added Trump, whether you personally like Andrew Cuomo or not, you have no choice. You must vote for him and hope he does a fantastic job. He is capable of it. Mamdani is not. Trust me, Trump continued, I know a great New York mayor when I see one. As through the window, he watched Rudy Giuliani, fully nude except for a flapper's bandeau around his forehead, running from Secret Service at the Mar-a-Lago pool, laughing and shouting, I'm Gatsby, I'm Gatsby, I wasn't driving, I wasn't driving. Now Trump also said, flat out, he will do everything in his power to block funding to New York if Mamdani won. Posting, if Mamdani wins, it is highly unlikely that I will be contributing federal funds other than the very minimum as required to my beloved first home. Now, how did Cuomo respond to this? And to me, this is the capstone. The Islamophobia, the fear mongering, the outside money, it all led to what Cuomo said next. Now, he could have said we're all New Yorkers and nobody in this city should be bullied into voting for me or anybody. But no, he said, if you want President Trump to try to take over the city, National Guard on Streets, choking federal funding, vote for Zoran Mamdani. He told New York to give in to the threat. That, for me, alone was a reason to treat elected office like any woman in your life you care about, making sure Andrew Cuomo never again got within a hundred miles. Back in the 1970s, when Cuomo's father, Mario Cuomo, was running for mayor against Ed Koch, posters started showing up around the city with the slogan, Mario Cuomo, not the homo. Because Ed Koch was rumored to be fabulous. Many believe that Andrew was the one responsible for those posters, though he denies it. Mario Cuomo lost in the primary to the homo, then ran in the general and lost again. And now, Mario Cuomo catching strays. And now, here we are all these years later, and Ed Koch and Mario Cuomo are in heaven kissing. Because everybody is into everything up there. Nothing else makes sense. Think about it. Cuomo and Trump and wealthy backers like Bill Ackman wanted New York to be afraid of a caricature. Some of that caricature is based on Mamdani's actual past comments. Some of it is created by exaggerating or lying about what he has said in the campaign or what he's promised to do. But most of it requires just ignoring who Mamdani actually is. Mamdani built a massive, enthusiastic base of support in this city. And at the same time, he has shown a genuine willingness to listen to and bring in more skeptical voices into the coalition. When he faced hard questions, I asked him myself. He answers those questions without defensiveness or hostility because he is in the game of persuasion, of addition. That is to say, he acts like a person. More Democrats should try this. The truth is, whether or not Mamdani makes buses free or builds five grocery stores, that alone won't determine whether or not he succeeds. The job of mayor is a role that requires attending to disparate parts of a coalition. It requires finding ways to adjust and negotiate and persuade and get to yes in those few precious moments between attending parades. The job is mostly parades. And Mamdani has tried to do that, not to the satisfaction of everyone, but he has certainly tried. In conversation, he is animated by top-line policies, yes, but also by a project that should unite every part, not just of the Democratic coalition, but of the pro-democracy coalition, which is making government work again. He came out in favor of the housing reforms, which passed. He talks about fixing ridiculous and onerous processes that stymie construction and business development. He talks about what it will take to make transit faster, safer, and easier to expand. What was clear going into Election Day is that the outcomes under a mayor Cuomo would be pretty limited and familiar. But what's exciting about Zoran Mamdani, even for those who have skepticism, is it is possible to imagine an outcome far more terrifying to people like Cuomo and Trump and Stephen Miller, which is that he can succeed. Which is why Trump's out there right now, depressed, trying to process his feelings by making Scott Besant do his gay voice while driving a bulldozer through a wall of the Roosevelt Room. And by the way, the fact that Zoran has excited so many people isn't just about electoral success. A vision that captivates people, that doesn't just earn votes but earns genuine loyalty, it gives you space to govern, to operate, to make hard calls. Trump actually gets this instinctively. Many Democrats do not. Here's Chuck Schumer when asked who he was voting for. Today is Election Day in New York City. Did you vote for Mamdani or Cuomo? Look, I voted and I look forward to working with the next mayor to help New York City. Later, Schumer. Not a magician. Now Schumer is worried about Republican attacks and I get why. When you lead a party that the country sees as aimless and weak, it is far easier to be defined by your opponents. But it means in a moment like this, you're afraid of attacks from both the left and the right, and so you stand for nothing. And boy, does that look aimless and weak. The New York Times had a piece about the 90,000 New Yorkers who volunteered for Mamdani's campaign, a number in which I assume many of you are included. Especially the hot ones. The Times described the campaign as an antidote to loneliness, about the meaning and connection and community politics can create. That is a lesson for Democrats across the country. Schumer doesn't seem to understand that his job is proving to those young people that he is on their side, instead of being afraid of Republicans saying that Zoran is on his. AOC put it best last night. And the assignment is to come together across difference, no matter what. And boy, did a lot of New Yorkers come together last night. When Zoran was asked if there should be room for more moderate candidates, as we saw in New Jersey and Virginia, he said, quote, Absolutely. I think that it has to be a party that actually shows Americans to see themselves in it, and not just be a mirror image of just a few people who are engaged in politics. To me, what binds us all together is who we are fighting to serve, and that is working people. That is the lesson of the 2025 elections. Who is the future of the Democratic Party? We all are. Centrist candidate Abigail Spanberger in a nice change of pace for a former CIA officer, successfully overthrew a regime in America, and will be Virginia's first female governor. State Senator Ghazala Hashmi won the Lieutenant Governor's race, making her the first Muslim woman elected to statewide office in Virginia. An amazing accomplishment, because based on an AI video I just saw, she was also apparently the architect of Girl 9-11. That is. Meanwhile, the Virginia Attorney General's race was rocked this fall by a scandal. Democratic candidate Jay Jones sent text in 2022, in which he imagined shooting the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House in the head and urinating on the graves of other Republican politicians. And I am sorry that I did not reply to those texts, Jay. I was in the middle of a breakup. We had the midterms. 2022 was like a wash for me. Jones apologized profusely for the text, as well as for a reckless driving conviction in which he drove 116 miles an hour. I know. Honestly, I feel like the text got the focus. The driving is insane. 116? That's too fast, Jay. Too fast. But he's on track to win Virginia by a greater margin than Kamala's victory last year, which suggests that Kamala would have fared better with voters if she had threatened to murder Joe Biden on the view, rather than say she would govern like him. In New Jersey, Democratic congresswoman and former Navy pilot Mikey Sherrill won the governor's race. This marks the first time New Jersey voters elected two governors of the same party in a row since the 1960s. The last time New Jersey was perfect. Any people from New Jersey here tonight? Oh, wow. California voted to redraw our congressional maps to help the voters win the election. Oh, wow. California voted to redraw our congressional maps to help Democrats improve our chances of winning the House, despite Republican gerrymandering. And if Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't like it, he can fight me. And he can tell him where to find me. Podcast host Tommy Vitor. Democrats also won two Georgia commissioners races in a blowout. The largest margin in the state in 20 years, we won a mayor's race in Miami, picked up two state Senate seats in Mississippi, one judicial contest in Pennsylvania, and passed that constitutional amendment to make all cyber trucks gay. Now they're all swishing around out there. And despite a lot of cope online, Trump said it pretty clearly when meeting with Republican senators at the White House. I don't think it was good for a Republican. Whoa, sir, slow down. Your mind works too fast. We can't keep up. Trump once again urged Senate Republicans to abolish the filibuster, claiming that Democrats would do so if they retook the majority. They're going to do it the first day. They're going to pack the court. They're going to make DC a state, and they're going to make Puerto Rico a state. So now they pick up two states and pick up four senators. Okay. You think you have problems? They're going to do all of the things. They're going to pick up electoral votes. It's going to be a very, very bad situation. From your weird, tiny ellipse to God's perfect giant ears. One part of why there's a reluctance, I think, on the part of Senate Republicans to get rid of the filibuster, which they're obviously not going to voice, is if there's no filibuster, there's no longer Democrats that are stopping the craziest shit House Republicans can pass. It's the least conservative Senate Republican. Suddenly all the political pressure that now kind of spreads defusely across the Congress will land just in the emails of like Susan Collins and like whoever else is going to, you know, consider themselves the, what we used to call Republican right wing conservatism, but now represents sensible moderation. Like it'll all fall on those types, and they don't fucking want that. They want to be able to blame Democrats. They want to stop some of the craziest batshit, bat, dumb, ding-dong, fuck, fuck, bat, wing, wing, bat, ding-bat stuff that comes from the worst House Republicans. So that's a little bit of something that's protecting the filibuster. It doesn't mean they won't kill it in the end, but it's nice to see. Nice to see Trump explaining what we could do. And now let's live out. Yeah, said Chuck Schumer, wriggling into a hot girl's brazor on t-shirt, trying to act like he'd been there the whole time. A single mom still waiting for the cost of groceries to go down. Or anyone else with their back against the wall. Your struggle is ours too. Whether you're trying to haul a granny cart full of dirty laundry up the steps of the 7 train, or stuck behind the person hauling said granny cart, your struggle is ours too. Whether you're a Miranda who thinks she's a Carrie, or a Charlotte who thinks she's a Carrie, whether you're asking the bagel place to scoop out the bagel, or you're behind the person in the line thinking, oh yeah, that's your problem. The bagel's interior. Whether you're a rat fighting a pigeon, or a pigeon fighting a rat, we're all in this together. So way to go, New York. And now let's remember this feeling because one year from now, we've got midterms to win. But first, we've got a great show tonight. Next up, Anna Gassire has a wicked attitude. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by Sundays. When it comes to dog food, it seems like you have to make a choice. You can either fresh and healthy, or you can have easy to store and serve, or you can have both. You don't have to choose anymore thanks to Sundays. 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Please welcome to the stage SNL Legends star of stage and screen, and one of the best alphabets to ever leave green grease paint all over Broadway. It's the wickedly talented Anna Gastire. Hi, thank you for being here. Come on. So nice to meet you. Thank you, and also with you. I think you're the first alphabet I've ever met. You've never been a mass, evidently. No, I've been to a confirmation. I've been in a lot of European cathedrals. Yes, that counts. It's all good. We're moving on. Thank you, go back to your compliment, please. Your transitional compliment. You were alphaba. I was. I'm not sure that was a compliment, but it was a statement. You know that everyone says, people say that comedians want to be rock stars, and rock stars want to be comedians. I think because you are known for being so funny, I don't think you get enough credit for being an amazing singer. And when I tell people, you know that Anna Gastire was an amazing alphaba, people are like, she was. I'm like, get your heads out of your goddamn asses. I'm impressed that you know. It was pre-bootleg because it was so long ago now, which is shocking, because I was like the third, I don't know, fourth alphaba or something real early, it was before the producers knew that it was helpful for people to bootleg their performances, for ticket sales. So like the second that someone would bootleg something, and you would see like the, maybe the picture of like a bottom of a duffel bag, and like a little bit of your face, and go up and down, they would pull it off the internet. So just like in the last, because of the movie, more old alphaba tape has resurfaced. And so it's, yeah, I feel like people are just kind of maybe figuring it out. It's just weird because it's a totally, it's understandably confusing is what I'm trying to say. Because if you're known from television, and then you're accidentally a really good singer, it's upsetting to people. Yeah, you know. God doesn't give it both hands, they say. I mean, I was going to be a vocalist. I was a voice major. That's how I started my life. Like that was the first thing that I did well. My parents wanted me to be an opera singer, which was a bad fit. So I went to Northwestern to be a voice major, and then go cats, and then, thank you, Rao, and then, but then you know, Chicago's the birthplace of improv comedy, and I met the funny people, and some things happened that I started inappropriately laughing and a couple of lectures, you know, ethnomusicology lecture, and I was asked to leave. So I called my parents and I transferred to the school theater, and then I kind of never looked back, but because in comedy, you use your toolkit, like whatever's available, you're going to use it in sketches or whatever. So I always kind of sang, so I came to it in a really backwards way. So by the time I was in New York, and I was doing SNL, and I was kind of singing in character, you know, casting people would call me in, and then when I left SNL, I was like, okay, in earnest, I'm going to start studying again, because as I'm sure you know, the human voice doesn't really mature until your 30s. Really? Yeah, it's one of those weird, yeah, it's like marathoning. Like you don't really get good at marathoning until you're a little bit older if you're a guy. Like after 25, same thing with the human voice. So I knew I was young enough to go back and study, and then those shows that I did, you know, Elphaba and Three Penny Opera, and Sondheim's Passion. And those shows that it's a very Olympic experience eight times a week, your voice just gets better. What is that like? You can wake up now. A gentle slumber came across the audience. No, that's the comedian you want them to be laughing. No, no, no, I actually, I just, they were so gentle. It was a gentle feeling. They were a sweet and gentle group. It was a late night last night. They're very supportive. It's Brooklyn, they had a big fun night, so they were tired. People cheered themselves up at the Cuomo HQ, you said? Yeah. People were, it was like sort of gallows humor. Gallows humor. I have so much I want to talk to you about. Go, go, do it fast, go. So you brought up your childhood. You were friends with Amy Carter. I was friends with Amy Carter. And you used to go to the White House. I did used to go to the White House. Did you go to the parts that were torn down? They're gone. I was in the, it was in the movie theater, the beloved movie theater that they were just talking about. It's a historic place. I know, because we, the first time I ever went to the White House was to see Pete's Dragon starring Helen Reddy. Yeah. Because, and I mean, you probably read this and it is weird to talk about, but it is now that, I used to not talk about it at all because it was, it felt gross and braggy. I don't know why, but anyway, so, because I was at the Camp David Accords and as you can tell, as I literally was, and that obviously it worked. Middle East peace has been accomplished. I went to the Camp David Accords. I like to say Jimmy Carter loosened it for Trump. I went to the Camp David Accords. I was there, I was there. If you look it up in the paper, it's insane. It's like zealoc where they're like the first day they couldn't report on anything. They were like, you know, Monahe Megan and Anwar Sadat and the president watched Amy and friend Anna Gastair play Lightly Rowe on the violin. Like we both played some like Suzuki. That was the, because it wouldn't report on anything. And then that night, Mrs. Carter came in and said, girls, brush your hair. The Sadats are coming over to watch Star Wars. And that is a true story. And what's really sad is that I didn't, it didn't really spark a lifelong interest in the Middle East. I was just fascinated that you could see Star Wars in your house. It was so mind bending in whatever 1977 to have a movie in your house. It was insane. Anyway, as you can see, I left Washington. Okay, now back to Broadway. Sure. Anyway, you're on Broadway. Yes. I saw Wicked at the Kennedy Center. I'm so excited that you're into this. I've never ever guessed this about you. Oh. Yeah. Anyway, are you from Washington? Trying to figure out why not. What? I worked in DC. Right, of course. But I'm not from there. I'm from New York. But I saw Wicked for the first time with my mother because the president has a box at the Kennedy Center. And if the president is going to use the tickets, you can get into like kind of like a lottery or to get the tickets. And I doubt that I took my mother to see Wicked. And sitting to my right was the late Senator Harry Reid, who did fall asleep. Sure. I have a good story after this. And I stood up applauding at Defying Gravity. And then I looked over and Harry Reid out cold. I was like crying and crying. I was going to say, it's very, very hard to fall asleep during Defying Gravity. It's very loud. But Harry Reid was very good at it. Yeah. And but I've seen it a couple of times. And it is, I can't imagine the stress of having to try to hit that, the battle cry night after night. Yes. I mean, it's insanely Olympian and exhausting. And that's all you do is worry about that and worry about your voice. And you're just an annoying person who worries about it. It's like being an athlete. You just whatever sleep and water and all the things. And you're very mean to people with children who I'd have colds, you know, that kind of thing. But more than that, it's very physically challenging. I mean, above and beyond the actual vocal pyrotechnics, it's really in Defying Gravity. What's so hard is like that you've got the broom and you're flying and you're supposed to look like you're flying and the green and all of the costumes. I guess a Dina Manziel must be like a very method actress because everything is very real in the show. And once it's set on Broadway, it's set. So like the second act costume is that costume is 40 pounds. Somebody it's so heavy. I was so skinny when I was doing the show. I was it was so Herculean, like all of the buckets really heavy. The stupid spell book. Like if it were, it's like a phone book, you know, like I'm serious. I like fifth or sixth performance in Chicago. My my my fascia blew up and I had sort of like a triangle of bloat between my ear and my shoulder and I ran me to the ER and everything. And it turns out it was just from the weight of the phone book, spell book in the backpack in the book bag, like pushing against my neck for eight shows a week. I came back and I was like, can we just do Balsa wood? That's what we did in our town in high school. But anyway, they just replaced it was very, very heavy. That's what's hard. That's actually what's hard. Was there ever so there there are rarely shows, but it happens where the lift doesn't work and you have to the best. It's the funny. This is my favorite thing in the world. I don't know if it's this entirely audio. There's video. Is there video? Okay, because you know, it's Broadway, so they're pros and it's great. So since you seem to be interested in Wicked, I'll tell you about it. So the way that it works, you know, most people think, Oh, is it like a harness or whatever, you know, all the flying techniques? It's a cherry picker. So it comes out from the back wall. It's hidden by curtains and so forth. And it's a long arm that comes in a little sort of, it clasps around you. I don't know what to call that a class. What a claw. Yes. Like a claw sort of goes around your waist with a bow skirt. So your own skirt. I was telling them never, ever do that again. Okay. You never correct on a gas tire. Yeah. In my presence again. He helped me. He helped me. So it comes together like this. And actually I thought it was just you throwing your voice. And you're kind of running forward. And then the idea is like in the Wizard of Oz, those big scary guards come up and they hold their, you know, spears up at you and they go, Seize her! And whatever they run up. And just at that moment, you fly up in the air. The whole thing elevates, right? So it's Broadway. It's the big leagues. They've got to be planned obviously. They're not going to, they're not going to fuck around with this, right? So it happened once in the Chicago production I did and it happened once on Broadway. You're coming out. You're running away. It's me. It's me and you're not moving. You can feel that it's starting to come up. So what these guys do, it's theater. They're tall. They've got big hats. They've got spears. And they lay on the floor. And they go, Seize her! So then, you stand. You stand like this and you fly over. And the whole time, the whole like, So if you can't find me. And you're just doing like, And you're singing, they're thinking, These people spend so much money. And they are now seeing what basically amounts to the same kind of show your Family would force you to watch in the basement on Thanksgiving. You know what I mean? When kids are like, Come see our Wicked! You know, one of them. It's so hilarious. Well for the true Freaks, their dream is to be there on a night. A no fly night. A no fly night. I was there. I was there. I saw the guards lie down on the ground. Yeah. It's so funny. I also had one where the elevator didn't come up in No Good Deed. Because it comes up through the pit. And I was, I'm actually out of breath, Which is not a great sign for my physical fitness. Because I just did a very light impression of someone lying down. Which is upsetting. But anyway, in back in the day, So you start, I'm freaking out. I'm being cool, but this is awesome. So you're down there and you're singing, And then the elevator comes up, right? And it's all smoky. And you've got this kind of lectern with your spell book and your making spells. And it just didn't go up. And so it's so great. Because the music had already started. There's a little monitor. I'm way under, I'm a whole floor down there in the pit. And it's the greatest thing when things go wrong. Because for every actor that's keeping their cool, There's a dresser losing their shit. And somebody's going, I'm not fucking going! The elevator's not fucking going! People are melting down. And you're just, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. You're singing and singing. So it's starting to come up. And at a certain point they're like, Go, you're gonna run! So you sprint, I sprinted the length of the football field size theater to a cinder block, you know, stairwell, where there was no monitor. So you have no idea if like, you're in pitch, if you're on rhythm, whatever. And they, and they, they're just like repeating this vamp like... I'm like, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah. You know, over and over. And then you run on and like, my lungs are on fire at this point because it's 700 of those, basically, really down. And then there's just a bunch of monkeys like, fuck, I've been here for an hour. It's fantastic. I love mistakes. I live for them. So, so you're in a show of your own. Yes. December 15th at Town Hall. It's called Sugar and Booze, a holiday spectacular. Yeah. I mean, it's really just Sugar and Booze, but I had to make it sound fun. So it is fun. It's my holiday album. It's a collection of seasonal secular favorites. Um, it's a lot of songs from the songbook, you know, all the great Christmas songs written by Jews in America. And a few originals, the titular song I wrote, Sugar and Booze. And we have a great time. It's a holiday spectacular. There's a horn section. There will be giveaways and prizes for people who wear ugly sweaters and a white elephant and all kinds of things. You must come. I would love to go. If you enjoy the holiday fair, if you enjoy seasonal secular favorites. And I do. And if you're lucky, I'll bust out the fiddle. I'm not gonna make a promise. I'm not gonna make a promise. You know what's interesting about the fiddle? Go on. What makes it a fiddle is the song you play on it. That's right. And so if you take it out and say it's a fiddle, that's a lie if you start playing Mozart. But it's true if you play something. No, if it's the, if you play Mozart, you call it your axe. It's your axe. This is my axe. I, um, a couple of years ago, so I was a very nerd violinist and very sad, nerdy violinist growing up before I sang. And, or probably at the same time that I sang, but I didn't know yet. And my, when I turned 50, I turned to my whole family. They were all like, hey, what do you wanna do? Like special big day. You wanna go to Italy? You wanna learn how to make pasta? And I said, no, I wanna go to country western fiddle camp. And they went, no. All of them. But I went anyway. And I had the best time. I had the best time because it's like, improv to, you know, opera. It's like, it's like just letting it, letting it rip a little bit and learning not to be so tied to the page. I really wish I'd fiddled at Camp David. Because you know what? We might be in a different position today. And that's a lot to think about. Everybody, go see Anna Gastier at town hall for sugar boost. This was so fun. Sugar boost, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of love at or leave it coming up. This is the initial matching work. 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My next guest is an incredible actor who gives off pure uncut New York energy, which I am not using as euphemism for Jewish, but maybe I am. I don't know anymore. Please welcome to the stage the incredible David Krummholtz. Hi. Hi. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Hello. Yeah, there I am. I am... I'm not even Jewish. I have no interest in being Jewish. I'm an individual. I can adapt. Yes. Hello. Here to you, Jew. I might, yes. Oh, fuck. All right. Let's get through this. All right. I'm already having fun. I like you. Yeah, we'll be fine. So you're in the Bruce Springsteen movie? Yeah. It's called Deliver Me From Nowhere. Thank you. The what? Deliver Me From Nowhere. I thought you said the little kike from Nowhere for a second. I swear, that's what I heard. The little kike from Nowhere. And that's what I said. Deliver Me From Nowhere. That's right. Now, you're in the Bruce Springsteen biopic. You live in New Jersey. Do people even let your feet touch the ground anymore? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Have you met Bruce? I did meet Bruce when I was filming the movie. And he was a very, very nice person. That's the whole story. He was very nice. And, you know, he came to the set. And everybody, you know, greeted him and they treat him like, you know, a god. And I walked over and I said, and what is your involvement with this? And he liked that. That's good. That's a good joke. Yeah. That's a good joke, David Krumholtz. Thanks so much. You guys want to know something you have in common? Okay. Anna, you are on an episode of a show called Running Wild. But Wild has an E at the end of it. Because it's the character's name. Sure. And David, you were in a show called Lion's Den. Yeah. But Lion was spelled with a Y. Because that was a name. I feel like this is a question for a diagnosis for you. I say that with no judgment. It's just an observation, as my mother likes to say. Next question. So I was thinking about, so I first, you were in a very formative role for me, which was Adam's family values. Okay. Thank you. Well, that's nice. Yeah, that was me. And I think it's interesting because to me, like when I think of you and you can tell me how this, how you react to this, which is, there are times when you are a smart outcast who's kind of nebulous and nerdy and put upon. Sure. There are times where you are dashing and handsome. God damn right. Then there are times where you go between the two. Like in Freaks and Geeks, you were a former nerd who comes back and is like, there's a future for you in college. You can be confident. Right. That's called range. Something I specialize in. Without makeup, I'm the Lon Cheney of my generation. What? For the young people, Lon Cheney was the, I forget it. God help us. Yeah. That's interesting. Well, thank you. I don't know. Am I, I don't know. Should I thank you? I don't know what I'm just, I'm wondering what I'm thanking you for. Well, what I was going to ask is, do you feel like your character in Adams Family Value was Jewish coded? Oh, 100%. Because his name was Glickman, I believe. Yeah, Glicker. Glicker. Glicker. And it feels like that camp is like, they don't ever come out and say it, but they seem like they're kind of anti-Semitic. Well, they're Aryan. They're Aryan. So, um, no, obviously, yeah. I actually played up the Jewishness in that one, which is something I have to do quite often because this really isn't enough. No, I was saying backstage, all the Jewish friends I have that don't, this is, how do you say this? That don't look typically Jewish, that may pass first something that's not, are really religious. I have done enough. My name is David Cromholtz and I look like this. I'm so not religious at all. I've no interest. I've never been. This is plenty. I carry the cross. In the show, Numbers, yes. The E in Numbers was a free, careful. That's right. Because the show is about Numbers. Right. Yeah. Put down the card. In the original, they fucked it up because in the original pilot, it said three and it would go to a two and a one and the show would start. Because like, here we go. And that was brilliant. I was like, let's go. And then they kept the three but never did that again. In the movie seven. Yeah. The V is a seven. Which makes no sense. But it does because it's about seven. I get that. But V and seven don't look like... Rotated. Three could be an E. Backwards. Some, yeah. But the seven is rotated. One is reflected through a vertical. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay, John. You're all right. Don't get emotional about it. Do you think... Hey, do you ever think sometimes you've been typecast as a curmudgeon? That's another veiled Jew question. You know, the typecast as a Jew. Yes, I played rabbis. It's a nightmare. But, um... No, do I ever get typecast as a curmudgeon? No, I get... You know, lately, I'm an agent in everything. And you're great, by the way, in the studio. Well, and that's true. This is... Thank you so much. The truth is, and this is real, for many years in Hollywood, I would go to, you know, they tell you, hey, go to the buddies. Be seen, you know. And I would go, and people would think I was an agent's assistant. Because I'd wear a suit and look nice, and people were like, so what agency do you work for? And I'd say, well, I'm with. You know, whatever. You see, UTA. And they would say, in what department? And I'd say, well, fuck you. This is a traumatic life I've lived, yeah. It's cozy to rest my mouth on this phone. I just want to say that. Have you... Have any experiences with some classic curmudgeons? Yes. I worked... They're both dead, so I can bash them. Dick Cheney, you were telling me back in the day. What's that? Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney, yeah, I worked with him very closely. What up? I was just constantly complaining about his back. No, I don't know. I worked with Alan Arkin, who was quite curmudgeony and hilarious and lovely and way funnier when he was angry than when he was trying to be funny. You ever be around someone where they get super-duper angry and it's the funniest thing you've ever seen and you have to hide your laughter? He would know that. I see, it's not even funny. I don't know why you're laughing. I was standing on a bridge in Nova Scotia looking out over a lake and I thought, I should kill myself. So I'm going to throw myself in the lake. Instead, I decided to spend the rest of my life working on myself. I was like, wow, thanks for that. And then Ed Asner. Oh boy, was that Asner. I mean, literally the talk about type, curmudgeon type. And I did... I was telling on a backstage, I have done eight failed multi-cam series, multi-cam comedies, meaning none of them made it past 13 episodes. They all got canceled. I did eight of those motherfuckers. There's nothing like bombing in front of a live audience with someone else's bad jokes, that you know are bad. We call it turd polishing. And I did one with Ed Asner called The Closer. It was Tom Selleckin at Asner. Was his last name Closer? Or is it just the different... You know what's weird? The E was a three. The E was a three, yeah. Both E's, The Closer. The Closer, two, three. And so what happened was, I remember Ed was really depressed sometimes and some older actor came and did a guest spot on the show and said, hey Ed, how's it going? Big smile on his face. And Ed said, how can it be going for any of us? And wanted the older actor to commiserate, like let's face it, we're old and it's terrible. And the older actor was like, I feel fine. But what happened was we got canceled. And they came down and they from... I don't know why I say came down, but they came over to the set and we were in the middle of rehearsing a scene. They said, guys, we've been pulled off the air. We're going to film this episode. We're going to film this episode, but basically that's it. So why don't we take a 20 minute break? Everybody take a break and process this horror that the show has been canceled. Meanwhile, half of us were like, thank God. But so Ed took off. And 20 minutes later, the director of the episode was an older man named Alan Raffkin, who had directed a bunch of Mary Tyler Moore and the Lou Grant show. So they were old friends. And 20 minutes later, we're all back on set. We're going to rehearse the scene and Ed is gone. And 10 minutes, 15 minutes, we're like, did Ed leave? Everybody's looking for Ed. And finally, Ed came moseying towards set with a large bowl of hot oatmeal. And he's walking slowly and he's just eating this oatmeal. And Alan Raffkin did the whole, hey, thanks for joining us, Ed thing. And Ed Asner had a mouthful of oatmeal and spit it all over Alan Raffkin's head, his face. It was like in his nails. And Alan Raffkin, oh, God. And we're all like, oh, Ed, man, taking us too far, man. It's not that big a deal. And then we started rehearsing. And in the corner of our eye, I just see like people coming over with towels and wiping down this old director. And Ed was, man, that's the real thing that I saw. Yeah. Wow. I love that he bothered to come back to do that. He did. He came back. I mean, I would have been at the smokehouse on my third martini, I think. That's the thing about getting old and cranky. You'd be like, whatever, we're going to get paid. Yeah, fuck it. Not going to get fired. Let's go get fucked up. Yeah, let's get fucked up. You know, he had a piece of toilet paper on his shoe and I'm glad I didn't say anything. Yeah, I am too. And I'm glad I didn't say, hey, Ed, you got a piece of, I would have got caught a face full of oatmeal. Like that's what you're going to go for is the oatmeal. Yeah. Like I feel like you got to look for the most expensive craft service item and pack it up. Or it's donut time. Or it's donut time. Or it's just donut time. Yeah. That show business. Yeah. Yeah. And now it's time for a game we're calling Armour Kamudja Geddon. Here's how it works. I'm going to name her Kamudjan who's either from New York or really seems like they should be. David and Anna, you're going to blind rank that Mudge on a scale of one to five with one being the most Mudge and Lee. But you won't know who the next Kamudja will be. Oh, this is tricky. You're ranking them from one to five, but you may, you have to be careful because you know who will be next. Okay. Okay. First up. Yeah. I'm checking to see if she understands it as well. Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure everyone's comfortable. I'm fine. This is fun for me. Remember Ovenheimer. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. He leaned back and looked to his aid and went, Ha, that's real. That really happened to me. It was a real blow. It was a real blow. That's curmudgeon behavior. That's curmudgeon behavior. Fantastic. Where do you think you're going to rank? Okay, I'm just going to say he has messages of hope that are veiled under messages of doom and dread. So I'm going to say he's a three. I'm not going to give him the number one spot. One is the most curmudgeon. I'm going to say three. I was actually going to say the exact same thing. So much of it is about hope and optimism. So I'm actually going to go pretty high. I'm going to go six or seven. I know, I know, I know. Isn't it one to five? There's veiled kindness. There's veiled kindness. I asked you if you understood. Not ranking him on a scale of one to five. Did you know that if you turn a U upside down, it's a horseshoe? Wow. And that represents luck to a lot of people. Now some people would say that a movie like Too Fast, Too Furious also uses numbers, but that's using numbers in a different way. So true. So true. And also sometimes people refer to a song as a number. Oh, that's true. Why do they do that? All right. We say three. Feel good about three? I'm going to, yeah. So five is our top five. Five would be the least curmudgeonly. Yes. Three. I'm in consensus here. Next up we have Fran Liebowitz. Oh. Yeah. One thing about leaving your apartment is that there's so many other people out there. The great thing about my apartment aside from the fact that it's a great apartment is that I control if there are other people in it. A classic curmudgeon sentence if I'd ever heard one. I'm going to go, you know what? She's really. Yeah. I'm going to say number one. I'm going to take a risk and say she's the most curmudgeoning New Yorker. Well, are there any non-Jews on this list? Yeah. Okay. I thought about that. I thought about that. Not when we first made the list. Yeah, I bet. I bet. It's hard. Yeah, yeah. Wait a second. Wait a second. Am I doing it? Am I a part of it? Am I? Wait a second. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to just say two because we got to do the math. You like math. I do. I do like math. Okay. A two from Anna. Next up, we have the character George Jefferson. Yeah. Oh. George Jefferson. What do you mean you're kidding me? That is a classic curmudgeon. What are you, are you kidding me? This is how you, this is how you diversified. Yeah, I guess so. Look, in hindsight, is it four Jews and George Jefferson? I think it might be. And that's something we can talk about after, I don't know how it happened. But let me, wait. It was a fabulous list of Jews and George Jefferson. But the reason I wanted to include George Jefferson, because Sherman Hemsley is so funny and he was also, he never came out of the closet, but he's rumored to have been gay. Okay. You know, he was also a big psychedelic tripping hippie guy. Really? True story. He was a big, you know, counterculture guy. I'm gonna say, because he would dance on the show and he loved Weezy. He loved him some Weezy. Kindness and hope, kindness and hope. They always take the number. Yeah, you should have went Red Fox, man. Yeah. You blew it. I'm gonna say five. I'm gonna say five, yes. Thank you. I don't want to get canceled, so I'm gonna agree. Smart. Andy Rooney. He's not Jewish, I don't think. No. Ah, we're good. Yeah, we're good. He's a curmudgeon, right? Not Jewish, I don't think. Is he? Google it. He's an Irish grump. Yeah. Yeah, he's an Irish grump. You're right. An old, salty Irish grump. Oh, you bystamp me feet. You know the things. Oh, you make my rumpel still skin. That's how he spoke. What is it? Imagine the Jewish version of that. You just saw it. I did too, yeah. I just saw it. I just saw it. So where are we ranking Andy? Now, wait, wait, wait. We don't need the... I say two. Two. Two. Someone shouted he was an atheist. Okay. What's his nationality though? I say two. But he also made a living of curmudgeonliness. Like he actively sought out stuff to be bummed out by. You know, that was the whole point of that section. Honeys bird clocks, you know, like whatever it was. I don't need a cardinal to tell me it's 2 p.m. I mean, that would be like walking through your day just like, you know, why take the pulp out of orange juice? It's not a good example. But you know what I mean. I got a pedicure the other day and I got to tell you I could do that at home for myself with my teeth. Yeah. So it actually takes... It adds something considerable to the story. Even if it's like, even if he's, you know, just a, you know, functioning dry drunk Irish crank, then, you know, it's still... It's an act. There's active work there. There's not just... I'm not participating, which I think is the bottom. Like the Bernie curmudgeonliness is I'm too old. That's I'm not participating. You guys take care of this. You handle it. And then if you're like going up anyway, I've said too much. I think Andy Rooney thought he was speaking for the youth. No, he did. I think it was very much... Did you ever... He's trying to get through to like 18 year olds. You ever just put your penis down and think it's lonely. Maybe I should pick it back up. Last up, we have Larry David. Oh. Hmm. Where are we on the... Caroline, where are we on the rankings to this point? Because we're going to have to put him in a slot. Oh, my God. Well, that makes sense to me because it's all a joke. It's all a bit. His mind works. He's a comedy machine. It's all a bit. Do I think he's liked that in real life? Probably to some extent. Yes. He's very much that in real life. Yeah. I saw him... He was in an orgasm for four hours on a car rig driving around Park Avenue up and down because I did an episode of Curb where my running board of my car was broken and we were on a date and by the time we pulled up in front of my apartment, he was like, do you want to go up? And I was like, no, I'm good. So... That's like a long time to chat with someone in between fake orgasms, four hours just going around and around. And he's hilarious, but he's a crank. Yeah. I sat behind him at a premiere and his guest, he was Greg Keneer. And it was obviously that... This was like a blind date business thing. He had never met Greg Keneer. Unbelievable. And Greg Keneer was attempting to sort of make fun of him and he seemed incredibly annoyed by Greg Keneer. Yeah. And he's got the high bar of not... I guess he's got the burny thing a little bit where he just... It's not important to him to worry about the niceties of explaining his cremationliness. What an amazing achievement to make. I don't feel like talking to people and sometimes I'm in a bad mood. Your delightful brand. I know. Because he can just walk out at any room he wants at any time and everyone's like, classic Larry. Brilliant. What a genius. And to take everything and saying he's ever done and make an incredible piece of television out of it. I mean, he really did famously storm out of Saturday Night Live, which absolutely everybody has at one point or another wanted to do and several people have, but where he like threw his pages and stormed out, he famously tells the story. It was one of the things we talked about where we're driving around the block. Have you ever quit a job? No, I'm the worst. I just... Put up with the views. Just take it on and have a lot of extra therapies. I had to quit one once. You did? Because of a curmudgeon. Okay. Go on. Who absolutely hated me. And every time I told him I loved him, it made him hate me more. And you have had him on this show. And he fucking loathes me and I was lovely to him. I worshiped the guy. I would have combed his hair if he asked me to. And he's been on this show? He has, Goddammit. Well, that's that. And he's curmudgeonly. One of his most iconic characters is an incredibly curmudgeonly person. You know who I'm talking about. I don't. Okay. Now maybe we should leave it that way. We'll leave it there for... That's where we'll leave it. Oh! Oh, you want that? No, I'll say it. Danny DeVito fucking hated me. And it was so bad that I had to quit. What happened? It was unbelievable. I don't want to tell the story, but it was unbelievable. Look, he had just gotten sober and gone vegan at the same time. That's a mistake. Too many changes. It's too many changes. Too many changes. Yeah. It was. You gotta kick him out, go in. Just eat. You gotta have a Big Mac and a beer. He cursed me out one day. So bad. I said there was a line... We're doing this play and we were in rehearsals. There was a line where I say, you could go to the actor's home in New Brunswick. It's the line. I don't know if you guys know what play that is. I'm not going to tell you. But anyway. And I said, in rehearsal, I said, well, there's the actor's home in New Brunswick. And he said, wait a second. Is there a question mark at the end of that line? And I said, well, no. Why do you say it like a question? I said, I don't know. Just rehearsal. And he said, say the fucking line. And that was after a long string of abuse. And I thought, and my wife was pregnant with my first child. And I had like all this insecure. I was like freaking out. And I was like, I said, I need a break. And I went outside and I called my dad. And my dad, the New York City mailman, worked his ass off. He had to be at work at 2 AM every morning for 30 years. And he was always the guy that was like, take the money and don't complain about anything. So I knew and I called him and he was like, you quit. He was so upset. And then I told him the story and he said, good for you, son. Don't take shit from anybody. And I went back in and I said, I'm sorry, but this is not for me. And I'll never forget he was sitting on a bed and he got up, which wasn't much of a change. And he looked at me and he said, the fuck. And I said, I can't make you happy, man. Fucking nasty. You hate me cursing me out in front of everybody. I'm fucking saying the line. What the fuck? Yeah. Broke my heart. Really, truly. Yeah, but you did the right thing. You did the right thing. I would have cried too. But you did the right thing. I did the right thing. Yeah, really, you did. Yeah. Thank you. Because by the way, too, it's eight a week. It's rehearsal. Like that's not going to get better. And look, he's probably a lovely guy. He was going through a very difficult time. I kind of wanted to be a reconciliation. And I just want to say that although no one, if this ever gets out and no one's going to see this part where I say, I have compassion for the curmudgeon. And I'll tell you why. No doubt Fran Liebowitz is incontinent. No doubt. And if you were walking around with a giant shit between your ass cheeks all day long. 80% of these people have IBS. Absolutely. That is true. It just goes with the territory. Right. It's there's a reason they call it a sour stomach. And we'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by One Skin. If you're like me, your skin needs some extra care this time of year between colder weather and the holidays, fast approaching, it can feel like nonstop stress on your system. That's why you've got to try One Skin. We love One Skin. It's invaluable to have a daily routine that delivers both powerful skincare and longevity benefits all in just a few simple steps. 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After your purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. One Skin.co. Love it. And we're back. One note before we get back to everything. Sorry, I didn't mean to laugh at you. I've been doing this for so long, and I have so much practice. And yet it seems like in some ways I don't. But is that part of it? Am I doing a character? Yeah. Fascinating. You're amazing at this, though. I've been really. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. You're excellent. Very sweet, funny, and engaging, warm. I love you. Everybody does. We've got a brand new episode of our limited series, Bravo America, on the love of the Relieved Feed. Next week's guest, Darinda Medley. Her Rony Arjun story, Lessons Politicians Can Learn from Reality TV, which politicians are better suited to reality TV. I talked to Darinda about what I felt is something beautiful about her as a person on reality TV, which is she seems to be both vulnerable and at times can be mean, at which point her eyes changed. And I realize, just remember the first part I said. It's a really great conversation, so that'll be out on Tuesday. Listen on the love of the Relieved Feed or watch on YouTube. Okay. New York does a lot of things best, most recently electing mayors, but you all treat ranting like an Olympic sport. So we're going to wrap things up with our favorite segment, the rent wheel. Or as you'd say here in New York, hey, we're rent in here. What's with my Melania hair? What's with any of it? Let's spin the wheel. It is landed on David. You have 60 seconds to rant about a topic. Okay. You ready? Yeah. We're in a period of chronic dissatisfaction in this country because we confuse freedom with abundance. You see, we see 26 flavors of pop tarts at the grocery store and we think we're free, but really it's just a lot of stuff. And what ends up happening is it's never enough. Where's the 27th flavor? Where's the 28th? And so now what we've become is this drama, like desperate for drama, desperate for chaos, nihilistic culture where every candidate who might take control of like, like, Mamdani or even Trump is like going to destroy the fabric of the world. Now wait a second. Democracy is not so thinly spread. It's not fragile. It's not sensitive. It's actually the strongest form of government that's ever been created. And no, I'm sorry, but not one man or even 10 men can undo the foundation of democracy. But when we tell ourselves that and when we hit social media and tell other people that, we are engaging in our own nihilism, which we are responsible for solely. I don't care how badly it scares you. Okay. At the end of the day, they prey on the fear. So perhaps be strong, be positive, send encouraging messages. I'm not saying lie down and don't do anything. I'm saying maybe calm the fuck down. Thanks. It's an important message. You're talking to a group of people whose phones haven't actually successfully gone into lock mode since Trump was elected in 2016. Just been glued to them. So it's an important, important word. I think so. Thank you. David Krumholtz. In Oppenheimer, an Italian man played Einstein, which I think is fine. I like when Italians play Jews and Jews play Italians. What about Greeks? What about Greeks? They're not part of it. Killian is Irish. Killian is Irish. Killian Murphy and Oppenheimer was Jewish. That's right. Yeah. Killian. Oh, no. Oh, no. That's me. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I did not prepare very well for this. But the thing that, the person that makes me the maddest on planet Earth right now, and it's not really the point, but it's Mike Johnson. He's so fucking smug. You know what? He drives me crazy because he's the super unpopular guy who gets cast in the play and you're like, you weren't the choice, man. Nobody wanted you to be playing, you know, like, I know you played Rumpelstiltskin in fourth grade, but apart from that, you, you know, nobody thinks that you're good as curly. Like you're just the only guy that has the tenor range, right? So he got it. And guess what? You're running around and you're collecting the money for the director's gift for everybody. And that's not like a cool position to put yourself in. And now he's like the guy that thinks he's like landed in like, you know, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big Nobody trying to fuck radar? Nobody wanted to fuck radar. Let's spin it again. You're so cool. Oh, God, there's more? Or it's your turn. It's just me. Okay. So, I want to talk about whatever the fuck is going on with the rehabilitation of Marjorie Taylor Greene. Oh! I want to say. But I don't... I actually don't... I want to understand why it's working. People are like, ha-ha, broken clock. It's more than a twice a day now. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm sorry. But broken clocks aren't right this often. What's happening? Right? And it's like... Like what? And it's also like, wait a second. I didn't realize you were capable... Like... You know, there's like... David Axelraub would have this expression, which is like, when you see a bear on a unicycle, you don't judge a technique. You're just amazed. That's it. I have a theory though. Do you want to hear my theory? Yeah. I mean, you probably have already thought of this, but basically the thing about conspiracy theorists is you just have to think of another conspiracy to dismantle the first conspiracy. And I think that's what's happened with her. I think that she's actually... Like we threw Epstein in there, not that that's a conspiracy, it's real. But all the things about it are suddenly making sense to her. So suddenly, all the other conspiracies that she's had, she's suddenly waking up and saying like, wait, the moon landing was fake. And like having lots of other things like that. Right. It's like the political equivalent, like the Armageddon Day didn't happen. So she went back in and re-crunched the numbers and came up with a new date that's further away. And it's like, I guess it is more reasonable for it to be far away. Yes. That's what Jehovah's Witnesses do. Really? Yeah. Yeah, they just do the math again. Yeah. That's so cool. David Cromholdt, thank you so much for being here. Hey. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. You made it. You're having me. The Bruce Springsteen film is out on a show at Town Hall, December 15. December 15 Town Hall. We'll be right back. And we're back. Come on out, guys. Before we go, I want you guys to hear Victor Jones one more time. But before we do, Victor, I reached out to you just via Instagram. Yes. I was just curious because I was being served your music via TikTok over and over again. And I really loved it. And you have such a fascinating way of associating and writing. And there were people that were accusing you of using AI. And I want you to have an opportunity to respond. Yeah. So I had a whole response plan, which was inclusive of points like AI being generative from lots of sources, which would turn out something a lot more lowest common denominator and generic than the whole idea that you hear something weird and quirky and you're like, oh, it must be AI. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what AI is capable of in the modern era. But I thought it would be a lot more fun to just pull up my Notes app and to prove that this is actually how my brain works. So I'd like to show John just so this is not a magic trick. These are many different dates from over the course of years. Correct. Yeah. And that says January 6th, be there will be wild. We're not talking about that. Weird. I'm a little nerve wracking to see. Of course, of course, but we won't get into that today. I just want to really quick brush through a few of these. We've got some good ones, some that are actually going to end up in songs like, I love you, Happy Birthday. I think I am an island, which is going to be a song and maybe the title of a song. We've also got some ideas like Evil Doctor Do Little uses powers for murder, but gets away with it because no one believes he really told the animals to do that. More lyrics, it'll probably end up, we've got Heaven Hot Damn and Seven Piper's Piping. I don't know what that means. I have OCD. I get intrusive thoughts, like genuinely diagnose OCD. So I get like thoughts that I don't know what they mean and they go on paper and they go into a song. We've got one that I love. I don't know. It just says a dozen guys. We've got Crab Haircut. That became a sketch. This one says Crab Haircut, Too Short, Too Long Crab Riddle. That actually turned into, and then I'll just end with this one, which is a line, two lines that are going to be in the same song. One of them is, she told me that her cousin is a cop, but he's actually really nice, which is I thought kind of political and interesting. Which is half myself like, oh, it's political. What is it? It's political. And then the other one is my heart is my own goddamn property, which I am going to show up in a song next year. So not AI, my notes out everybody. And where can Victor, where can people find you? You can find me on any of the socials at Victor Jones Music, but if you're just kind of the kind of person who listens to music, you can find me on any of the streaming services. Victor Jones, I'm the first searched Victor Jones. And as of two weeks ago, if you Google me, I have ousted a 60 year old linebacker as the top Victor Jones on Google. All right, everybody, one more time. Thank you. Victor Jones is going to sing a song. Love it. And I'll be right back. All right. So yeah, this one is called Shoulder Song. We're dialing it in for you. Let's hit it, Margueris. Sometimes I feel like I'm just a hot air balloon lifted up by the things that I want out of life. Like what? Like I want to be famous, famous and happy in that order. And also sometimes I kind of want to die. Does that count? I want to get your number. I want to touch your shoulder. I want to get close to you. I want to get your number. Touch your shoulder. I want to get close to you. I like mean women. I like soft men. Sometimes I need to be alone. I am. Be alone. I am. Be alone. I like mean women. I like soft men. I want to die to die. Sometimes I need to be alone. I am. Be alone. To be alone. So I can get your number. I want to touch your shoulder. I want to get close to you. I want to get your number. Touch your shoulder. I want to get close to you. You slide like a marrow. From a broken bone. Tell me what to do. Two, three, four. Jets on doorsteps You got your brain in a jar. I got you under me you kept up with the news I don't know how you stayed strong If I kept up like you do My best worst enemy you leave me laid out can't take you anywhere I got a friend got a friend and she's not from here I wish you'd tell me what you do when you're not around Yeah, I wish you'd tell me I wish it Fa fa fa fa barrel like a tiger and he I got fear trapping off of my teeth You leave me laid out little You leave me laid out You leave me laid out I wanna get your number I wanna touch your shoulder I wanna get close to you I wanna get your number Touch your shoulder I wanna get close to you I wanna get your number I wanna touch your shoulder I wanna get close to you I wanna get your number I wanna get close to you Touch your shoulder I wanna get close to you Close to you Close to you I wanna get close to you Thank you everybody. Have a good night. One more time to Victor Jones. 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