‘Ghostbusters’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The rewatchable is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the watch with Chris Ryan. You can find higher learning with Van Lathen. There you go. You can find the Midnight Boys on the Ringerverse with Van Lathen. You can find the Ringer Tailgate with Van Lathen. How many pods do you run? A bunch. I blame myself. You know who I don't blame? We came. We saw. We kicked its ass. Ghostbusters is next. This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it. But with iPhone and Apple Watch, you get meaningful insights from a very trusted source. Your body. You can track sleep quality, cardio fitness, and more, then unpack all the information in the health app on iPhone to get a picture of your overall health. These health insights are developed with clinical experts from start to finish. Find out more at apple.com slash health. Apple Watch is not a medical device and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice. All right, guys. Four wisecracking New Yorkers against a marshmallow apocalypse is the actual sentence in the description for this movie. I think on Netflix or somewhere, the eight biggest 80s movies, just biggest. Let's hear it. Just by year. I'm not ranking these. Okay. Raiders, ET, Jedi, Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, and Batman. These are the eight biggest movies by how much money they made, what they meant to pop culture, just how huge they were. This is you ranking them or did you get this as an metric? I'm not ranking. I'm just putting that in order from 1989. I think those are the eight. I thought Top Gun would be in there, but it just didn't make as much money as this. These movies made huge money. They changed the lives of the people that were in them. They infiltrated pop culture for months and months. I think that's the list. Why are these movies here? For seven-year-old me, this was the most important thing in the world. I don't even think I had a relationship to Saturday Night Live, but this is the perfect mixture of childlike wonder with adult humor. You're watching this movie and when you're a kid, you get 25%, 50% of the jokes maybe, but there's just something about Murray and the tone that you're like, I'm mesmerized by this as well as the ghosts and the marshmallow man and everything else. This is to me, this is a story about monoculture. This is a story about, I don't know anybody who doesn't like Ghostbusters. I don't know anybody who doesn't like Madonna, Princeton, and Bruce Springsteen either. It's like 84. We just made stuff that everybody was kind of like, yeah, it's pretty good or great or I love it or I'm obsessed with it. It was funny rewatching it. It's just like putting on like an old country sweatshirt that you've had forever. You're like, oh, I love when I put this on. It just feels so good. I just love this. That's what it's been for 42 years. I was watching the movie and about 20 minutes into it, I started to feel so good about the experience that I was having that I tried to sit up for a second, take a step back and go, why is this happening? Why does this movie still work like this on me? I don't know. I wish I could have come up with an answer. Bill Murray makes me feel at home. Dan Ackroy and Bill Murray together, magic. Ghosts in New York, the way I view and think of New York, a lot of it, oriented and created by this movie. I can't explain why it's still so perfect for me, but it did not lose one step. You were a little bit older when it came out. So was there any cynicism about it for you or what's your relationship to it? No, it was the opposite. I was thinking back to 84. We had no MCU really. We had a couple of Superman films. No MCU really. There was no MCU. Doesn't exist. Well, DC Comics, not really. They were all either on TV or comic books. It's pretty Batman. There was Flash Gordon. For Alien movies, we had like E.T. But at that point, Murray and Ackroy are comedy royalty from SNL, from the first five years of the show. You have that. You have everyone kind of knew this was a Belushi movie and then he died. So that kind of put that on the radar a little bit. And then they really, really promote it in the perfect way because they put out that no ghost thing. That was out like... I ain't afraid of no ghosts. Well, it's simple. You didn't even know it was. No ghosts with the slash through. They did like almost like viral marketing. And then they had the MTV, the Ray Parker song, and they had a great video. Great video. And it was on for that whole summer. And this was summer of 84, which was the Olympics in LA. It was the height of Michael Jackson and Springsteen and all these different things. Michael Jordan's about to be in the NBA. And just pop culture was ready for this. So it was this and Beverly Hills Cop both in the same year, combined with a million other things. And reading about the movie and like the way it was released and the way it was marketed was huge summer movie that then became what everybody dressed as for Halloween and then became a huge Christmas movie because people were giving each other toys, Ghostbusters toys for Christmas. So it essentially stretched through three quarters of 84 of people routinely going. And you think about like Project Hail Mary will probably make more money, I think, than Oppenheimer they're projecting now. Yeah. Oh my God. But Project Hail Mary is like kind of already out of the consciousness. Like it... I mean, people are going to see it. People dig it. And you know, like my wife only just saw it. But it's not like... I don't think people are going to be dressed as Brian Gosling from Project Hail Mary for Halloween. I think you'll probably see more Ghostbusters than you will that. It was also just a really great idea for a movie. Everything is combined in comedy, ghosts, but not scary ghosts, but kind of scary. It's fun. And it's New York City. It just worked. Everything is novel in the movie. Like everything is something that we kind of hadn't seen before. Yeah. We hadn't really seen the proton packs. We hadn't seen... We hadn't seen paranormal guys fighting ghosts in this way with a hotline. Everything is brand new, which is a problem that we run into now is we compare movies in the age that we're living in right now to movies of the past. And we just forget that like we've seen a lot of shit. Like we've seen a lot of stuff. The reason why centers work so well for a lot of people is because that was kind of not in plot. Obviously the plot was a little derivative, but that was kind of some shit that we hadn't quite seen before. You talk about original IP movies. Original IP movies, but even beyond that, forget about that. I'm talking about like this movie we're talking about like Gozer and like Zool and these ancient demons that they're fighting, ghosts taking over New York. They're doing all of this, but to your point, they're not doing it like seriously. They're never real. They're scared, but they're wisecracking their way through it. They fall into a sinkhole and you don't feel like they're saying anything as they die. It's like, oh yeah, they'll get up. This movie, I mean, I have this for later and stuff, but like we should talk about now, like the way that they tell this story is completely different than the way they would do it in 2026. And it was completely different than the way that the sequels kind of worked out where they're spending way too much time explaining the sort of paranormal mechanics of a lot of the stuff or the history or the cult history of the, the cult history of the stuff. This is just kind of like, yeah, it goes to the Gozerian, the traveler, the goat, the key, key master, the gatekeeper. They can't meet. Yeah. Something better will happen. Even the way they talk about crossing the strings, they're just like, it would be very bad. Right. Yeah, there's no five minute explanation. We're going to get to this. Like they do all of this stuff. Do you know how many questions the audience would have now? They build the containment series and we talk about that later. It's like they say it's a nuclear reactor in the middle of what essentially is like Tribeca or something. Yeah. It's like, all of this stuff, what the movie does is it, it puts a lot of faith in its performers. Yeah. They explain the bigger stuff and they leave the smaller stuff. They just let, they let it linger. Yeah. So it was fun reliving it through my kids when they got to the right age to watch this, which is probably like six or seven. It's not like that scary. There's no sex stuff. It's scary in the right ways. You're not going to have nightmares at night. It's funny. It's not like subversive sexual humor, funny. Yeah. Barely any sex except for the. It's not even like a lot of like great jokes. It's just more the people seem really funny. Well, there's not a lot of gags. Yeah. There's not a lot of one-liners and gags. Well, I would just. Well, there's a lot of one-liners that come out of the movie, but they're not like well-written gag, gag, gag punch. No, it's like Murray commenting on the absurdity of being a ghostbusters throughout the movie. Yeah. Once again, we got to a place in comedies where comedies had to like be really high premise. They had to be really high premise and you have to keep coming back to that premise over and over again. 40 year old God never had sex. The jokes just write themselves. We have the scene you can have a joke. We were in an era at that particular point to where the comedic talent was so overwhelming. If you're talking about Bill Murray or Eddie Murphy, where you could take one of those guys and put them in a situation and they would funny your scene. They would funny the scene. That's basically what Akrae had said. He's like, we just needed to put him in the place to succeed. This was the best comedy leading man in the world. Akrae was really good as the sidekick. Probably trading places was the closest where he came to being the co-lead like that. But anytime he tried to veer out on his own with like Dr. Detroit or something like that, he couldn't really carry it. He was always better in a role like this. I have a lot of thoughts about that. Like the great outdoors, another one where it's him and Candy and they're going back and forth. He always needed like a foil. And then when he hits the 90s, he becomes more of like the Tommy Boy type like he pops into movies. What's your relationship with this movie Craig? I mean, obviously something that everyone knows and everyone loves and all the every kid loves. I saw it when I was really young. Have not seen it since, but yet it's just like one of those cultural staples that has always been around. But you didn't find it to be like a kid's movie when you were watching it, like just this time. No, definitely not. I think that's the difference with a lot of comedies back then is it used to be for everyone and now it's like, is it a kid's movie or is it not? Yeah. Because a lot of the jokes I would not have gotten when I was eight years old. No. Like most of them almost. Like the things that make me laugh now are so different than what made me laugh. 100%. Did you guys ever watch movies like this with your parents? Sure. So that is something that all that's an interesting experience because now parents, I'm not a parent, but the sense that I get is that parents don't watch more adult oriented comedies with their kids as much as they used to. I don't know that that's, but when I would watch Ghostbusters, my dad would laugh at the scene when she's possessed. He would laugh at that scene because that's a scene that older, slightly nasty. It's a sexual innuendo. It's a sexual innuendo. He would be like, look, she said, she said, get inside me. He not going to do it because she got it. He can't do it. She got demon in her. And so like the whole, that is how I learned that I was supposed to find that funny. Right. Like I knew that like there was a joke being made there that I didn't get. And I watched it. I understood it by watching adults react to it. I remember my parents cracking up at the scene with the mayor and not just because of dogs and cats living together, but just because of like Ed Koch stand in negotiating with Ghostbusters and the, you know, the cardinal or Archbishop's there and the chief police. And they were cracking up at this guy, letting the Ghostbusters do whatever they wanted because of Venkman pointing out, you'll have saved the lives of millions of registered voters. And they were like hysterical about it. I was like, I don't get it. Right. It seems like the Ghostbusters made a compelling argument. Do you, I don't even, do you think Dan Accord and Bill Murray and Ramis would have said that we are making a kids movie as they were writing the film? No. I would say no. They were trying to make a huge comedy. Cause it used to be you would make a comedy for adults, but you would have elements in it that kids would like. And now it's, you make a comedy for kids and you have elements in it that adults will like. Adults can stomach. Like Zootopia has adult humor in it, but it is a kids movie first. There's one thing in this movie that lets me know that they at least had a thought that kids would be into it. Because there are no random 80s tits that pop up in the movie anywhere. Sure. And they took some of that, they took some of that other stuff out. Like there was like bad writing on the walls that they decided to change. And just like the animation of the ghosts, like the guy, the like cute green ghost, all the food, like that as a kid animation. He's like, not really. Not really. Not really. So, but the movie is scary at times. The demons turning into stuff. Like the movie is at times like serious. I think it's scary when they're on the top floor of that building, when the, it's basically the building's been blown out and it feels like they could go off the side of the either side. Also, it's just like kind of harrowing to watch. It's just so funny that like they're like no nudity, no profanity. These guys can change smoke. Yeah. Right. Oh my God. There's so much smokiness. Going back to 84, I wrote a piece. I think it was like my second or third year of page two that I thought 1984 was the greatest year ever for, for like people like us. Yeah. With the sports, the pop culture. So you had Beverly Hills Cop Ghostbusters. You had Purple Rain in the Terminator. So you had Arnold's Entrance. You had 16 Candles and Karate Kid laying the template for the 80s teen movies. You had the Peaks of Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Prince and Huey Lewis. And you also had in February Billie Jean at Motown 25, probably the single greatest television moment of my lifetime. Hulk Hogan wins WWE title. Jordan joins the NBA and Mara Lemieux joins the NHL. We have the first bird magic NBA finals. We have Mackinac, Gretzky, Bird and Montana in their absolute primes. We have the Peek of Biggies basketball. We have a Thursday NBC with Cosby Show cheers and family ties. We have the starter by Emmy vice. We have Letterman breaking through the first slam dunk contest, Madonna's arrival, Flutey wins the Heisman, Tom Hanks makes the leap, Howard Stern and the 84 Olympics with no Russians. I can keep going and going. Is this, is this feeling over Georgetown? I was 85. But we do have Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. There's like 40 other things I could put in there, but it just felt like I can't explain it, but everything felt really authentic back then. They hadn't really put the thought into we have this coming. Here's how we're going to shape it. Here's how we're going to shape the perception of it. Here's how we're going to promote this. Like Goldsbusters is a summer movie that it just came out. It was like summer movie season has begun with Ghostbusters. Things just kind of happened. It was cool to be there for that and watching people slowly figure out how to commercialize a summer like that and all the things that happened was really interesting in real time. Yeah. I mean, some of this is like our origin story and we probably mythologized that time period in some extent. Yeah, but you were seven and I was 15. Yeah. So it was two different stages. But I also think that like, I think that there's something about like the way that culture worked back then maybe because it was like they were freely first starting to see a new level of how much money they could make. But even if you think back to the pop stars that we were being given, that was such an interesting mix of people and like sexual identity. Prince Michael Jackson. Yeah. And Madonna. And Louis and Madonna. Yeah. And Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. So even when Ghostbusters II comes out, right, the Ghostbusters II was like, I don't know what it is, right? The Ghostbusters II is a reaction to the new culture that we're in. Big song by Bobby Brown, right? Bobby Brown is in the movie. It's almost a meta commentary on the Ghostbusters themselves. They franchised it. They franchised it. Yeah. Now by the time and felt like they had to get it out before Batman. It's the whole line. Yeah. It's just a different spirit. It's already changed because like everything that we're talking about are people that like came along in the era and it's not, I'm not waxing poetic about it because the talent doesn't exist now to do this same stuff. It was just the first time we had seen some of this stuff. It was the first time that the infrastructure for blockbuster films wasn't quite there yet. It was getting there. Yeah. And we weren't as cynical about it. There wasn't like a tie-in to McDonald's or like all of that stuff hadn't been established yet. And so now I actually credit the creativity of contemporary artists because they are really going up against some dogs, some legends. Yeah. Like just some people that were really, really, really unique in their approach and their creativity. We weren't cynical about anything in 1984. I just like believed whatever. It's like Michael Jackson, big ladies man. It's like, yeah, totally. I agree. But like I remember Letterman. This was like probably the greatest Letterman year. And he was, I don't remember if it was 84 to 55, but he would just fuck with people. And it was always like organic. Like he had a bullhorn. He would go out the window and they're filming the Today Show with Brian Gumbel and he has the bullhorn and he's just messing with them and Brian Gumbel's getting mad and it's like, oh, he made Brian Gumbel mad. And now it'd be like, just think of it the way that would be dissected now with social media and everything. We're like, are they feuding? What's going on here? I feel like the history of Letterman versus Brian Gumbel. She wasn't like that. I don't know. I miss it. It's amazing to imagine these guys rolling through New York. And this is like when you read the research about them like in New York City at the time, it's like they were like mayors. They were the kings and like the crowd. It's from SNL, right? Murray and Acre. I don't like these. But even then, I bet you're starting to get like everybody's got like this legendary like I was out and Bill Murray came into the bar at 145 with a Mardi Gras parade. And like, you know, like these fucking, you know, complete urban legends, but like it's starting to build up. And when you watch him work, whatever he's like working the crowd in this movie, you're like, holy shit, like this guy could have run for office. The closing credits are phenomenal. Yeah. It's like one of my favorite parts of the movie is they're just in New York City and just in New York, everybody, the cameras, all different parts of New York culture. They're covered in half state plus marshmallow film, getting into the car, smoking, still another hard day at the work for the, it almost becomes like a documentary at the end of the Dude, they shut down New York. They shut down Times Square. They shut down all around Central Park for days and days. They got chased out of Rockefeller. Yeah. People were like, this is cool. Murray and Acre, leave him alone. They're doing a movie. I just think it was just different back then because we almost like didn't know any better. And I think the Ghostbusters too is a really good way to frame this. It's only five years later. Yeah. Yeah. But by the time that comes out and there was a bunch of other sequels, some of them we've talked about, like we talked about another 48 hours, but like a bunch of the sequels that came out late eighties or late nineties, just money grabs. Yeah. And they'll do it a little bit more against their will. Even by the time we get to Batman, Batman is an interesting case study and what it is that we're talking about. Batman is a swing. No doubt about it. The character itself is very well known, obviously in American pop culture, but Tim Burton at that time is an auteur or tour and to give him that type of deal. It's a swing. It's like not the safest thing. Michael Keaton is Batman. Michael Keaton is Batman. This is swing. It's not the safest thing in the world to do. However, though, that movie is one of the first movies of that era that was primed to be a box office blockbuster with thought put into it. With thought put into it. They already knew that we were into the era of the blockbuster, that the nineties would be huge, huge. They they had already 89 when that comes out. All the lessons from the eighties have been learned. So while it's an eighties movie, there were sequels after they had a plan down. They had everything they had to tie in. They had all of that stuff done. So it is very pure. What we're talking about. But at the same time, it's a reaction to the movies that came out in a decade prior to it. Last Crusade was a little like that, too. I like last crusade. Yeah, but it felt very calculated. Absolutely. It really kind of comes to a flag ahead with Jurassic because Jurassic is like it's not negotiable. You're going to see this and you're going to love it. There's dinosaurs. And there's already shit to buy before the movie even comes out. Collectors cups. But I tell you, the last crusade is actually a really good example of this because to me, it took a long time for that movie to be properly appreciated. Yeah, because of the way it was when it came out. And it was such a big deal. It was maybe the first event. But they had like a Pepsi ad. They had the whole deal. It was the whole deal was a big corporate thing. And I think that that hurt. And they have Sean Connery in the movie. They actually cast somebody to be equally yoked to Harrison Ford. So it was a movie star vehicle, big summer event. But there's stuff about Ghostbusters and the making of it that does kind of like project onto like even today where they're like they have a release date before they have a script. You know, like they have, you know, like there are certain like parameters around this movie. I think they knew Murray was like not knowing until they were like the last minute that he was doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I miss it. I miss not knowing a lot about a movie. Like all we knew from this movie were a couple of commercials. We didn't have that whole infrastructure in place, but the stories about it, anything. Like I know we all approach this differently. I tried not to know anything about a movie when it's coming out. Like even when we went and saw centers, like I don't think I 100% knew there are vampires or I knew something was going on or we or that it was going back to 19th. There's something I didn't know about it because I had been so steadfast of avoiding everything. But these in 1984, this would just pop out. We knew Prince was making a movie. Sure. Knew that the video would come out kind of before the movie. That was the first taste of it. Other than that, you didn't know anything. And it was kind of the audience would decide. And that's how it went. Now you have to know everything to get people to go to the theater. Like how did you think that was the case? Yeah, I mean, they certainly reveal. It was Gosling. You know, certain you knew he was going to see the trailer gives away that he meets an alien out there. A lot of movies tease the twist in the trailer now because they just need to sell as much as they can to get you off your ass to go into the theater. So they have to tell you basically what the whole story is. Yeah, because their premise heavy, because we don't have the same crop of stars that we. Well, and Spielberg is doing the opposite with his current movie, where he's not showing anything from the third act in the trailer. And it's a risk because that's why the trailer is not. I think that if you were watching three months of Ghostbusters trailer, if Ghostbusters was coming out now, you would have seen 65 percent of the good Bill Murray lines in trailers. Yeah. So you would have seen this chick is toast already. Well, I also think that like at that point, and I was I don't have any memory of Ghostbusters when it came out. I don't remember a time when I didn't know Ghostbusters. Like my relationship to Bill Murray on Saturday Night Live was me going back back through Ghostbusters. Me too. Backwards through Ghostbusters for whatever. Backwards through like whatever the the fucking film is like me going, oh, my God, where does God get to start? And really like the Eddie Murphy for me, the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live VHS was just a big part of my ability to like appreciate. Sure. I like what? Huh? So I had Murray with the SNL reruns because they show him in prime time. Yeah. Meatballs, caddyshack, stripes, Tootsie. And he would pop on Letterman every once in a while. But it was like if that guy's in a comedy, I'm going. Yeah. Like he is. You see his face and you go, I'm going to have a good time. This is the piquez. It's it's crazy. One of the I didn't really fully realize this until we did the research. This movie was so big. Murray didn't do another movie for four years. Yeah. He got freaked out by how powerful and enormous this became. And it made him rethink like everything. And Ackroyd wasn't really the same either. He did razor's edge before Ghostbusters. Right. That was supposed to be his like, here's my here's my serious actor as well. Ackroyd did Spies Like Us in 85 and Drag Down in 87. Pretty rock after that. Rightman and Ramis, it worked out better for those guys. But it's pretty, you see this sometimes where something's so big that people don't almost know what to do. Like Leo did Titanic and I would make one movie in the next five years. Yeah. The beach. Did the beach and that was it. They're like, oh, shit. Post Blues Brothers, Ackroyd was fascinated by the supernatural and Quentin physics and parapsychology, all this stuff. And he wanted to trap ghosts and do a movie with him and Belushi trapping ghosts. This was 1981. And he was inspired. I never saw these movies. Sean probably has them on 4K. Abner Castello, Hold That Ghost, Bob Hope, The Ghostbreakers, The Bowery Boys, Ghost Chasers. So he wanted to do a comedy ghost movie, but have it rooted in actual research for how this stuff would work. Writing the Belushi scenes for the movie The Day Belushi Died. Like he tells that story in the Bob Woodward book. And then had to audible the nose. It was originally called Ghost Smashers. So he has this whole thing, shows it to Rightman. Rightman's like, this would cost a kajillion dollars. And it was set in the future. Yeah. It was like, can you put this on earth? So they get Ramis and they pitch it. So this is why I get dubious with some of the casting what ifs. Because Rightman says he goes in, pitches this movie. It's gonna be the three of us. We're going to rewrite it. They're going to be the three Ghostbusters, Murray Ramis and Ackroyd. And we're off. Then there's like a hundred casting what ifs. So I don't, we're going to go to later. I don't know what to believe. So they rewrite the movie. They decide Ramis is going to be the brains. Ackroyd's the heart. Murray's the Murray's basically the wise ass. And they set it in New York City. And we're good to go, Van. Done. Do it. And, and it's by the way, in the Horlbeck scale, hour 45. Right there. Yeah. Right. I don't even know what I would cut. I think it's kind of perfect. Yeah. I think anything in the hour 40 is fine. Just to, just to go back to something Van was saying a little bit. There's something different about this than Stripes and Beverly Hills Cop. To me, where Stripes and Beverly Hills Cop feels like 1970s scripts that they were like, this has been kicking around or like we have an idea based on something that is already been done. Yeah. What if Eddie Murphy was the cop? What if Bill Murray was the soldier? And what would we do with that? This feels new. This feels like something that's like, like this and back to the future feel like movies that I'm like, I don't think they could have done this in 1976. It's good to bring those together. Because those are back to the futures the next year. Yeah. Those are the two where it's like, I'm sure when they were working on this, they were probably like, is this going to work? Yeah. Is this going to work? But also like this might be massive. Yeah. Because you have a feeling because you're catching light in the bottle with some of the stars. But yeah, it's a good point. But they both have like iconography where you're like the skateboard and, you know, the inventing skateboarding basically. Yeah. Or like, you know, the Ecto one and the jumpsuits and this where you're like, man, I just feel like these guys just they got six or seven new things and six or seven things that are just a hundred years old and solid. And they put them together to make something nobody had seen before. And the movie is very eighties. Like I thought about things this time. She's a concert violinist. Yeah. Shellist, right? Like a shellist. Yeah. She's a concert shellist. And not really addressed or shown. Not really addressed or shown. It's a rehearsal. But she is an artist. She is a woman about her times. Living in Central Park West. Living in Central Park West. Like he walks into it. It goes a lot of space in here. She's a successful lady. Her entire independence is upended by the fact that she has an uninvited guest that she can't kick out, which is the ghost. So like it's almost. Yeah. Zule, a meta commentary on like the eighties woman. Like all of the stuff that's happening in the movies, the movies is very 80. It's very eighties because there's a cultural explosion that's happening around that time that the movie takes advantage of. Murray is on an all time run that we mentioned. Seventy nine eighty four meatballs, caddyshack, stripes, tootsie, ghost, busters, man. Jesus, he's been living off that for 42 years. The guy can do no wrong. Akra had Blues Brothers. He did neighbors and doctor to trade between trading places. And trading places, which if we're talking about all these, like we've done a lot of them, are we watchables? Trading places is just a kick ass conventional movie. Yes. With major stars. This movie is a kick ass movie that had the chance to grow in a different way. Well, you talk about the casting motives, like trading places. There's there's 10 versions of the two guys in trading places. And none of them don't work with Charles Groton and Nero or something like that. You know, like you could pick pairs and make a lot of those movies work. You could pick pairs and make 48 hours work, maybe not on the level it does. Beverly Hills Cop. You could find a Detroit cop going to Beverly Hills. I don't know. You look at the casting motives, even if you just do a fake fantasy draft of like, who would you want as the four Ghostbusters? There's no way to top this. This is the Beatles. How much how many digestible science fiction blockbusters have we had before this? Obviously, Star Wars was a gigantic thing because like alien wasn't a blockbuster. Right. I'm talking about alien aliens was a blockbuster, I think in 86. Movies that deal in like paranormal. There's ghost stuff. This film has to play in middle America. Like, but it's a it's a science. Both of guys close encounters. Like those movies are like big films. I'm talking about like in this way, like for a comedy for them to kind of do this version of it. It's failed a hundred times. Right. Yeah. It usually doesn't work. And honestly, I'm not sure how this movie works. I think this movie works because like when you go back through it, there are like a hundred lines where I'm like, oh, that is actually now just something I say with, and I forgot it came from Ghostbusters. Do you know what I mean? Like an aside that you make routinely. Don't cross the streams actually became like pop culture. Yeah. Like people would just use that. I was going to ask if that's, did that come from this movie? Yeah. Like peeing, crossing streams that. Don't cross the streams. This entire movie is a piece of pop. Like the fact that Mythbusters, something is called Ghostbusters. Anything like anything, Busters is like this entire movie is just. Yeah, there's a bunch of those. Yeah. Um, Sigourney Weaver. Oh, what's that? Actually, we'll take a break and then I got to talk about Sigourney Weaver. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now, McDonald's, you can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right. Jumpstart your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just $1.50 or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just $2.50. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Got to love the McDoubles. Get even more value with McValue only at McDonald's. Ba da ba ba ba. Limited time only prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Sigourney Weaver fought for the part. Smart. They were like, you're a dramatic actress. You went to Yale. We're intimidated by you. You're six feet tall. She's like, I'm really funny. You got to try me out. She does from a 10 year span, 79, 89 alien Ghostbusters, aliens and working girl, which are four of the biggest movies of that stretch. She was also an eyewitness here at Living Dangerously, Deal of the Century, Girls in the Mist and Ghostbusters too. Stealth Case for winning the 80s for female actresses. I don't know who else is in there. I'd have to see Barrel Streep's 80s. Yeah, Barrel Streep was a good one. I don't think she had more... Sally Field? Sally Field? I don't think... But not Blockbusters. Yeah, not Blockbusters, yeah. The Melanin Griffiths probably in there. Melanin Griffiths is new. But I think Sigourney has the best mix of Blockbuster with credibility. She has versatility. She has Blockbusters. Mary Street has the gold. She has romcoms. She has Blockbusters, sci-fi stuff. She has a... Pretty good. Can I hear Diane Keaton's 80s? Diane Keaton's 80s that has... Like Baby Boom? I don't think she had it because some of it's from the 70s. Okay. Yeah, it's tough. Well, we already figured out that Renee Russo won the 90s. We did. A few podcasts to go. Congratulations. Just convincingly too. Just destroyed everybody. What's her NBA comp? What's the really devastatingly effective championship-winning NBA player that nobody remembers how good they were when they were on top of their game? Sigourney Weaver? No, I'm talking about Renee Russo. Oh, Renee Russo. Renee Russo was a problem. Highlight reel? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, look at Renee Russo's balance. It's like nine bangers. Nine bangers. Yeah. Not missing. I think she's the second most rewatchable library actress. She might be. I think it's Meg Ryan and then her, something like that. Yeah, so Sigourney... And then Dave was the only other comedy she did, which I ran across with that. I haven't read it, but she had a good timing. I don't know. She's so tall. If there's other actors that could have been in this, that I think it would have been bad. I mean, just her... Mer's like a relatively tall guy. Her three interactions with Moranis are like, they're just funny to look at together. Yeah. It's just like, as soon as he comes out of his apartment, you're like, you got to be fucking kidding. Yeah, it looks like Wemby with like, like Steph and Castle. Ray Parker's theme song. Do you have any Sigourney Weaver? You want to save it for later? I'll save it for later. I'll love it. Okay. Okay. I love it. I figured. Yeah. Ray Parker's theme song, number one for three weeks. The video is number one on MTV, directed by Reitman, featured Chevy Chase, John Candy, George Wendt, Thena DeVito, Carly Simon, a million people, and everyone's dancing down the streets of New York City. And they closed Times Square, which they kind of stopped doing after the 80s. And I think Vanilla Sky was like the last anything they got them. Yeah, it's like you have to do it now at dawn, but they were probably like 3, 3, 45 PM. We're just going to shoot Ghostbusters. So then it turned into this whole scandal with the Huey Lewis song. Yeah. I Want a New Drug, which is a what's age the worst for this movie because there's a lot of research on this, that they wanted Huey Lewis to do the song. They put I Want a New Drug as the temp song in some of the early scenes. And then Ray Parker had a week to write the song. And it really does sound like the same thing. So there's some mystery lawsuit that we've never heard the details of. I think Huey Lewis financially did okay. I think he did okay. Yeah. Because he bounced back like the next year he did the whole Back to the Future joint. And like he had two albums that sold like 20 million. Yeah, he was the man at that point. You know what? I'm glad we have them both. It's like having Heather Thomas and Heather LaClaire. We're all winners. That's right. Two really good songs. That's right. There's an incredible what if with this movie that we mentioned earlier about Eddie Murphy. And there's a lot of competing journalism. Competing narratives about this. Acroyd seems to be adamant that it was four Ghostbusters. And Winston was going to be Eddie Murphy. And that one adds up to me more because they had just done Trading Places together. As he's writing Ghostbusters. Also, why wouldn't you want Eddie Murphy in this movie? But Wrightman was like that. That wasn't the case, right? Wrightman said no, no, he was never a serious thing. But I almost felt like he was trying to be nice to Ernie Hudson. Right. I'm going to believe that they went hard after Eddie Murphy. And I don't know why they wouldn't have. Of course. And I think it adds up because he had relationships with Murray and Acroyd. It's almost the new category, Craig. The Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters award for biggest what if. Because if he's in this movie from the beginning, it breaks my brain. So you think it doesn't work. It does not work. Absolutely not in no way, shape or form. First of all, like I don't. Can we talk this out? There's not enough. There's not enough screen for those guys all to be on screen together doing like this movie works because the other guys revolve around Murray. Right. If you have Murphy in there and they're like, let's give Murphy like three scenes where there's no script and he's just allowed to like cook. I just think it starts to blot out the sun a little bit. Like I'm sure we would have clips that we were like, that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen. But you can't just like let Eddie Murphy cook from the wind. So it's just like AJ Brown and Jalen Hertz or AJ Brown and Drake May. Wow. Um, yeah, it's it's when Ernie comes into the movie, he does exactly what he's supposed to. Exactly. He steadies the whole deal. He's a little bit of skepticism, a little bit of skepticism, a little bit of realness. He's the every man. Yeah. He's an every man. Everybody else is all into this absurdist comedy and he's the one like, I need my own lawyer, you know, he perfect. Eddie, you got to let him win scenes or if you don't let him win, he's going to win them. So it just doesn't work. It's like that weird Lakers team where they had Nash and Howard and the Saul and all of those guys. It's not enough basketball and got a bad back. You're the same person that thinks Jason Tater and Jalen Brown can't play together. That's not what I said. So they played better. Brown's leading the team. I'm I'm Zaggin. I think they could have figured it out. I actually think the upside of the movie is higher and the downside is lower. I'm fine with where we landed because this became an iconic awesome movie. Yes. It's really hard for me to believe that Eddie Murphy in 1984 wouldn't have improved the movie. I don't think it wouldn't have. I don't think it wouldn't have. Improving is a weird thing. I just think it wouldn't be what it is. And I think there would be like three scenes where you're like, holy shit, like I can't believe we didn't get more Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy talking to ghosts. You're telling me I'm not enjoying that in a movie theater. But OK, where's Eddie at in his career at this point? Like Eddie. Eddie has done 40 hours trading places and he's doing Beverly Hills cop that comes out the same year. Stuff and baby in the corner. You're not going to get it. It's not it's not going. It's not going to work. So he did a movie called Deal of the Century ironically where he's in they basically filmed his scene. It didn't work. It wasn't a good movie. And he's in it. He kind of pops in and out. So he's like a star, but he's not a star. And I wonder if they did that for this where he's in basically half the movie as like they're bringing the firepower. I mean, it would be like it would be really funny if Eddie Murphy played Walter Peck. Oh, just like Richard Peck or Walter Peck? No, Walter Peck. Walter Peck. Like if he just had like two scenes, two scenes. Well, it's a what if because he could have gone 40 hours trading places, Beverly Hills cop and Ghostbusters in three years. That would have shut it down. Yeah. Too much. That also would be pretty funny to watch Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters too. Oh, he would have done it. Yeah. He would have been available. Wow. I'm surprised you guys weren't more receptive to this. You're really protective of the four Ghostbusters. Well, to me, this is a perfect film. Like I just think that like you start to mess with the the notation of the music and it changes the tune a little bit. Greg, would you have wanted Eddie Murphy in this? I get what they're saying. I think it would have worked if maybe he had like a guest spot type role or he just came in like Deon Waiters to two big scenes and then got out. I don't know if he could have been in the whole movie. Another thing to me, the movie is oriented around the comedic tone and stylings of Bill Murray and Eddie Murphy does his comedy in a different way. Yeah. Also, I think I always thought the Winston character like didn't make any sense. That felt like they were four. I feel like he didn't have a ton to do. To be honest, it felt like a token casting. Wow. Interesting. You don't think so? You don't want us weak-hanged, both ghosts? Put him in the beginning of the movie then. Yeah. Oh, so now you've drawn the other way. He wants it to be a scientist as well. You get him. I'm like, what do we, we just jammed him in there. He didn't have a ton to do. We want the same woke tail. I got some stuff to say about that. I have more in this later. This is way more work than we thought it was going to be. It just felt like they bailed on that story. I think it's a really nice like we got to bring somebody off the bench in the middle of the movie. I think the reason why could have been Eddie Murphy. Funniest person alive in 1984. Yeah, I just thought we could go through like these movies that were just like, you know what would be good is if Tom Cruise showed up and said, why can't Tom Cruise be the vampire? But in this case, he really was supposed to be the fourth Ghostbuster. Sure. And I think that like, Ernie Hudson's sometimes acrimonious relationship to this movie, like at various points where he's been like, well, the script like is a much bigger part in the script that I read. I wonder if that was for Eddie. I wonder if they wrote it thinking we might get Eddie. All kinds of research on that with whether it was a much bigger part that got cut down once they realized Ernie Hudson was in it or what was going on. This movie was nominated for two Oscars. Best song, best visual effects. Elmer Bernstein's score not nominated. Very good though. We were, what's the Horobuck scale, 100 minutes? Yeah. So we're plus five. Yeah, that's fine though. It's amazing. If it's in the hour 40s range, it's fine. 30 million dollar budget made $298 million. In 1984, so adjusted. That's like a bill, right? Second biggest film of 84. Biggest comedy ever at the time, which lasted only a few weeks. And then Better than Those Cop took that. Number one for seven straight weeks kicked off the number one list by a little movie called Purple Rain. We still knew how to make things in America. We sure did. We fucking knew what we were doing in 1984. True fire yourself. It's like, sorry, Ghostbusters, Princess Here. I'm sure you're going to get to Raj in a second. I had a quote from just reading up about this that I thought really summed it up. Judd Apatow said, it really is a perfect comedy. It was all those people at the height of their powers. They had mastered their craft and made the film we dreamed they'd make. Movies like Ghostbusters made us want to make movies. No notes. Raj went three and a half stars. He docked at a half star for recent. Because nobody Murphy. He said rarely has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines. And he said Ghostbusters is one of those rare movies where the original fragile comic vision has survived a multimillion dollar production. Yeah. Good way to put it. Yep. Want to go to the scenes? Let's go to the scenes. Most rewatchable is going to be interesting. Most rewatchable scene. Venkman working ESP with the two kids and favoring the blind. It's so fucking funny. Studying the effect of negative reinforcement on ESP. We're paying you, aren't you? For five bucks. Do you know a movie that the guy was in in that scene? You didn't recognize him? I didn't. You might be the only one who's seen this movie. What? Actually, CR might have. Christine. Oh, yeah. He was one of the two bad guys. Oh, yeah, he sure was. He and that other guy, Buddy. And Jennifer Runyon is the woman? Jennifer Runyon. Yeah. Um, beautiful here. I think Christine, one of the 10 worst movies I've seen the most. It's really awful. Yeah, it's hard for me to- I think I've seen it at least 20 times. It's hard for me to view it as bad, but it's pretty- Those Stephen King movies back there, then we're kind of gaming. I like all of them. I mean, Maximum Overdrive is still my dream rewatchable. Even Stephen King didn't like the Stephen King movies. And I'm like, sign me up, Kujo. Just gonna be trapped in a car for 45 minutes. Have you ever seen Maximum Overdrive? It's Stephen King directed it while high on cocaine. Yeah, say no more. Stars Emilio Estevez is about machines taking over the world. Yeah. Wait a minute. It's Bat Shack. I dizzy this. Yeah, and it's set at a truck stop in North Carolina. Yeah, I dizzy this. It's like, oh, no, I'm thinking of Repo Man. I don't want to do cocaine month for the rewatchables. I want to do cocaine year one. Just 52 movies where everybody was out of their mind. It's 2028 leading into the presidential election. It's cocaine year. Cocaine year. Next rewatchable scene, the fellas go to the library and get spooked. My uncle thought he was saying to Rome. This, a couple of movies have done a really good job of nailing how creepy libraries are. The wrong kind of time of day of a big sprawling library. You just feel like something awful could happen. Any place where there are a lot of people in it, but you are supposed to be quiet, feels odd. Yeah. Good point. Sigourney with the groceries, aka Dana. We get the Ghostbusters commercial on TV at this point. We are ready to believe you. We're ready to believe you. Really good special effects with the eggs. And I think we should have mentioned this at the top. For 1984, some of the special effects were excellent. Like really good. Like we have eggs frying on a counter. And in 1984, we're going, wow, how are they doing that? Now it would be like, they could do anything in that. One of the biggest picking nits of the entire movie to me is still a woman like Dana buying a giant bag of marshmallows. Interesting. What's she doing? You think she was going to make Rice Krispie treats or something? Oh. Like for her orchestra or something? Like I don't know. I want to make sure we're getting down. Anna, let me get marshmallows. Okay. Yeah. Sexual food item. She's appealing to record to you. Trying to sense bans of value sometimes. I think she would have cleaned the eggs up. Yes. They were on the counter for like two days. Well, she didn't want to clean them because she was going to go get the ghost buses to come back and check the vans. That's true. Vanquan gets slimed in the banquet room. That's great. Actual physical contact. Save me some. This is where we get the don't cross the streams. This is where we get the we came. We saw, we conquered. He veers into Nick the lounge singer and Carl from Caddyshack a little bit. So little bit. This is my favorite scene. My most rewatchable. Right after that, the most 80s movie montage you could possibly have. The famous montage. So good. Ray Parker song kicks in. Huey Lewis is lawyers. Immediately go to work. We get Roger Grimsley, the live at Five Anchor in New York City. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Roger Grimsby. We get early Larry King. We get a USA Today ghost fever grips New York. We get Time Magazine Omni in the Atlantic. We get the soothing sounds of Casey Kasem. Yeah. We get the Joe Franklin show. Yeah. We get the Globe with a Princess Di expecting again. And this is clearly the Kid Cudi pursuit of happiness. Best needle drop. But it just makes me so happy to watch this. Yeah. This is like the serotonin hit. This is like legal ecstasy. If you watch this, you're like, god damn. It was just the best. The only thing missing was Pacino and cruising, just dancing. Dancing leather jacket. This is like core format, kind of, yeah. Maybe when we do the social clip, we could run the montage, but then work in Pacino in the leather outfit. Rick Moranis' party. Love it. Supposedly mostly ad-lib. He introduces people by their financial situations. They come in a door. Has the blonde who, I mean, I know he's pining over Sigourney Weaver, as Sigourney Weaver looks better. You like Gene Kasem, the bud? Oh yeah. Like, we're running on Cheers. Casey Grover. Casey Kasem's wife. Moranis coming out and going, hey, this is real smoked salmon from Nova Scotia Canada, 24.95 a pound. Only cost me $14.12 after tax, though. I'm thinking this whole thing is a promotional expense. That's why I invited clients instead of friends. You having a good time? Mark, how you doing? Why don't you have some breads at room temperature? He's like fucking... Going. Yeah, I was just like... He scores a head-trick in the first period. What were his guys, Bob and Dave? Bob and Elaine. Yeah, they have, like, wait, the one where they come in. They have one after their business. The S.C.T.V. that he did. Oh yeah. The characters. The fucking brothers. The brothers. Strange blue guys. Mackenzie brothers, yeah. He's doing a combo of that, but there's a little garth from Wayne's World and they're two, or just kind of like talking about it inside of his mouth. We didn't talk about Moranis. Which relationship with him? Obviously, this is limited by the fact that he doesn't do a ton after Honey I Shrunk the Kids, right? He basically disappears. Now he kind of disappeared. But this is a performance worthy of considering renaming the Deon Waiters Award after him. Going nuts. Just absolute... Like, he plays two different characters in this, and they are both among the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Him is Vince Cortho. Him is Louis Tully. And then sneaky, him as Louis Tully again at the end. Who does your taxes? Lovable and hilarious. Like, I don't know, man. So, spacewalks. Will he come in and get a mineral water? Like, you see him at first. He's got to be in the scene when you see him. He's got to be a little bit of a pest. But he's got to be lovable enough to wear later on in the movie. You're going to feel like a sense of danger because he's been possessed. You're going to have to be happy. Well, it seems like he dies when he goes against the wind. It seems like that's it for him, and then he comes back. And then they just give him a scene where he's just like, we have Rick Moranis in this movie. You know Rick Moranis. Let me show you how funny he is. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was a massive movie. Do you know the premise of that, Craig? Oh, I loved it as a kid. Yeah. He was a major star. He's my major star. He does Little Giants. Little Giants is the last time I remember. Another great kid. Yeah, I loved Little Giants. He plays a straight man in that one a little bit. Reminds me of Little Joe Anderson. Didn't totally want it. Just like this life. Oh, my. Didn't want to move to LA. Jesus. Fun to stay there. I just wanted to stay in Maryland. He had liked this life. He had liked the roof. Rick Moranis. Just liked his life. I thought he got out of acting because his wife got sick or something. I mean, I'm just saying like he doesn't have like a million parts. Like my relationship with him, Rannis, is like you made six great movies. Is that right though? Was there something? I believe so. Yeah. Something he wanted to raise his kids and like all that. Next scene. Are you the Key Master? Sigourney. You want to do this now? Yeah. Okay. Absolute. Listen. Okay. So I'm going to have a glass of water. All right. So look. What's what are we doing? We're just we're asking. We're asking the question. Oh yeah. That's Catherine Trammell. Right. Okay. We're asking the question though. We're asking the question. You're not going to door. She asked you to Key Master. You come in. She then it's like I am like, yeah, that's what he did. He had the Key Master actually. And then you watch him go through that scene and he's a perfect gentleman. Venkman is a good guy because he comes off like a sleazebag in every other scene. Yeah. But he knows that it's not her. He is a pre-to-consent master. Is what he is. Venkman is. Venkman goes because he actually he's playing it on himself. He's like, oh maybe why not? Why not? But he can't do it. This has been a question in my family for a long time. Whether or not. You take a shot at possess Dana. You take a shot at possess Dana. Yeah. Because you don't know. May do you take a shot at her? We also don't know if your sexual sacrifice spares everybody. This whole occult goes or the gozerian situation in the first place. You also don't know what the sex is going to be like. I mean that would be the big sticker for me. Yeah. That gets into species territory. That could. Yeah. Yeah. You're going into Natasha Hentridge in the hotel room level. Can I do my flex now because it's related. Let's do it. The Mallory. And this wasn't even in the dock because you didn't think anybody would bring this up. The Mallory Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene. It's not Weaver and Murray. It's Weaver and Moranis. We needed a Natasha Hentridge style. On the roof. Yeah. Because he's the actual key master. He is. And we see him. I think it's implied that they did. Oh for sure. And we see him kind of in the afterglow. I wanted to. I mean it can be like clothes on. That's fine. You can know nudity. But I wanted to see her just like because like just the physical difference between the two of them. I think that would have taken their relationship to the next level. If we actually got to see her on top of him just tearing him down. Wow. It would have been amazing. Wow. All right. A ghost buster. No. No. Yeah. Sing Craig. All men to that. Yeah. I don't know. He's got it in there. Yeah. It went the way it should have gone though. You can't do it. Just possess. Can't do it. Just possess. Can't do it. There is no Dana. Only Zool. The pumps are full of Thorzine. Next scene the spirits get lucid in New York City thanks to that asshole Walter Peck. Just fucking unleashes everybody. Classic politician. I set you up for a follow up joke. I don't know what you're waiting. Classic politicians stuff. I thought. Yeah. I thought you were going to do it. I thought you were going to do it. I thought you were going to do it. There you go. It's fine. It's fine. What are you talking about? The big ending I don't even know what to make of. Where do these stairs go? They go up. Yeah. The choice is made. I love this plan. I'm excited to be a part of it. Did you make a choice? The blown out building balcony, which I mentioned makes me anxious. And then the whole stay puff marshmallow and thing just should not have worked. Yeah. And it's amazing. Acroid is great in that scene when they're like, did you? Did you? And he's just like. The thing that I laughed at this time was they go, think about who you're, whatever is who's going to bring up. And then they go, the decision has been made right away because he's thinking about the state puff marshmallow man. The comic timing of him not being able to clear his mind, just hysterical. And then he right away knows that he's fucked up and he checks out. If it had been Van and he was it, and it would have just been like a 100 foot Lisa Bonet from Angel Heart. Yeah. Yeah. Just fucking through the city. He was working on twerking down buildings. Yeah. The fuck? Oh God. That also has, they finally decide they should cross the streams. Yes. Great idea. And then I mentioned the closing credits were just a mental amount of fun. What do you have for us? We watch. I have two you'd mention. One, the first time Peter goes to Dana's apartment with the turkey baster. Yep. And he's just like playing the piano. He's like, loves to torture him. It's Dr. Venkman boys. That and then the jail scene where all the prisoners gather. Oh yeah. Yeah. Going into the mayor's office with Peck. And I felt like that was the trading places jail. I love it. They just shot it in the same. Just all the guys. The same guys. Yeah. They just ran about. Somebody's coming. But yeah, I mean like the whole thing when Peck and Venkman are squaring off in front of the mayor. But the real what we watch was seen is the fame montage. So the open to me. The first thing you see are the ghosts. The movie sets up like what the actual start movie is. The first thing you see are the ghosts. Yeah. Like before you get to Venkman, it shows the library and you get the actual haunting. Because it's got put you in the world. So I think that's very important. But you know what I always loved the first call. The first call they ever get, which is actually filmed in the Biltmore downtown LA. Yeah. Yeah. And like the but the first call they get where they're in there and it's slimmer to me. That's my favorite scene of the movie. When she's like we got one. Yeah. Well we got one that go there and they're like actually using their equipment for the first time. It's like almost the Ghostbusters origin story scene. God bless you. That's my favorite scene in the movie. We should probably go to the Biltmore and do like a whole video shoot. I feel like the Biltmore's come up in 12 or three Watchables movies. Yeah. Didn't just come up until living down in LA or am I crazy? I think the Biltmore is where they do the guy jumping off the roof until living down in LA. Was that where they did the elevator? What was that? That's the. Or that was another one. That's in the line of fire that is the elevator. When you go there is awesome because they obviously have all of those movies. Yeah. Right up there so you can see that they were shot there. What's the most 1984 thing about this movie? I think the winner of this is the Ghostbusters montage. But I think we should talk about some other ones. Larry King taking radio calls while smoking. Yeah. Larry King definitely. This is actually where people ask like Chris, what's your ambition? And I'm like, I want Bill to give me a drive time call in radio show that I could smoke during. There you go. Done. You're live on drive time with Sea on. Hey. AJ Brown with some of that guy. Chris, what's going on with the street lights? I hate it. I love it. These fatt holes. What are they going to do about it? Thanks for leaving my call. What do they do with all this copper, CR? I have for 1984 runners up. Ackroyd's video camera. Oh, that's pretty 1984. See the twin towers a couple of times in this, which is tough. Gene Kasem. Yeah. This was like her moment between this and Cheers and being married to Casey. So what was the deal here? Like they wanted to use Casey Kasem's voice and Gene Kasem as part of it. He's probably like, I'll do your movie if you put my wife in the movie. Yeah. Not that she can't act. I'm just asking. My favorite runner up for this though is calling someone a pencil neck. It's like that's been gone for 38 years. You got out of here. Yeah. That was like that peaked in the 80s. Having a pencil neck in a long time. I got a couple. One, their ghostbusters and they immediately are asked about Elvis. No one has any clue in the mid 80s how big of a fucking deal Elvis's death and potentially being alive still was. Yes. Yeah. They were talking about it all the time on the front of every national inquirer. Somebody saw Elvis in West Virginia with Honky Talk Band. It's like all the deaths from the last 15 years that were massive just combined into one death. True. That was Elvis. Tribeca being fucked up. Oh, that's a really good one. Goes into there and goes. He says the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone. Yeah. Like Tommy Alter has a bar that he likes to go to that legitimately is right across the street from this ghostbusters. On Varric. Yeah. Right there. You can see the thing. It's right there. Area is fucking beautiful. What? We go there. When I'm in New York, me and Tommy and other people. We have a friend living. I was going to do my Tommy in Persephone. Go please. I don't know if I should do that. I'm very watchable. What is it? What's the name of the bar? I can't remember the name of the bar. I really can't. Maybe it's Walkers. Is it called Walkers? Walkers. Yeah. Yeah, it's Walkers. I was at Walker's last night with Cooper Poffman. He does the pause because he says the first name, but then remembers that you probably don't know who it is. So it's like I was doing rewatchables with Chris Ryan. Ryan. He's my Tommy Alter in Persephone. He bends on his way. Stiller. Stiller. We're going to run into Jaylin Brunson later. Yeah. And the last one, 1980-40, EPA in this movie are the bad guys. That's come back around. I guess. I guess actually. I guess. Let's take one more break and then we'll do What's Age the Best. All right. What's Age the Best? We mentioned Don't Cross the Streams, which is 42 years and counting. Phenomenal New York City movie. We did New York City Month last year and we didn't do Ghostbusters because I wanted to do it this year for some reason. But I just love how they use every aspect of the city. Yeah. And even like that high shot when you can look down at Central Park and you see all the trees and just like it's just great. I love the even seeing people like Joe Franklin in there. And I just. When Stay Puffed was walking around and all the cabs and shit are getting into car accidents. I think that's Columbus Circle, but I'm just like. This is great. How the fuck did they do this? It's sunny every day. There's never. It's just a happy sunny movie. There's no weather. But like the even in Ghostbusters 2, like New York. How can I say this? Like the ethos of New York is a character of the movie. It seems like a story that could only take place in New York. What do you have for What's Age the Best? You know, I actually, this is what's the best is kind of funny because sometimes I'm just like these lines, but this is a couple of these. The logo, the firehouse, the ectomobile, the marshmallow man. These are 40 plus years. Like if you see that, you're like Ghostbusters instantly. Like and it's like they are indelible pop culture symbols still and the uniforms. So still kids are still doing this for Halloween. It got brought back during Stranger Things, I think. It's just like a couple of really, really, really durable pop culture icons from this movie. The proton packs I have because they are so signature to the Ghostbusters proton packs. Also the brands in this movie, they got Cheez-It, Coca-Cola, Perrier. All of this shit is still around. He's eating Cheez-Its. She's got Perrier in there. Coca-Cola. I mean, obviously Coca-Cola could be around for a while. The Cheez-Its maybe one. Cheez-Its. Maybe one. Cheez-Its. These guys drinking canned Budweiser. Maybe one. All of the stuff that they think that was paid or not. I don't know. That's what I was trying to think. They didn't really, that was a big deal obviously in the 80s it still is, but they didn't lose by the end of the 80s they were doing it all the time. I also had a nice element to this movie. It's got very little backstory. You don't know where Venkman comes from. You don't really, none of their past childhood trauma or anything like that. But their financial peril is very acute in the first half of this movie when Acquire takes out the loan and Bill Murray goes, you're not going to lose the house. Everybody has three more to keep safe. He's like, yeah, but at 19% he didn't even start with the guy. That's another thing that's age of it. It's high interest rates. 19%. That would have been good for the 1984 section. Yeah. I forgot to put that in. Yes, it's true the man has no dick. It's still fucking funny. Oh, it's years later. It's like one of the, what's our line delivery one, the Jesse Isabur? Yeah. That's in the running for Best Lander of Race. I mean, that's like the entire Murray Porewood series. Yeah. The original SNL generation popping in movies with each other, which is basically Blues Brothers, Caddyshack, Trading Places, Ghostbusters, Spies Like Us, or probably the big ones. When did that stop? I was just having a conversation at Sycamore about coneheads and about all of the movies that were made around. Some of the bad ones. Like, because there are some bad ones, right? And there are some ones that are underrated. A lot of drugs back then. But when did the era of SNL people lose? I mean, in Sailor's world, it hasn't ended. Well, yeah. Sailor was the next one to do it. And then Apatow, who learned from boat generations, blew it out. And just was like, that's what they grew up with. But it's the Apatow generation of, these are my extended crew. We're all going to be in movies with each other. And yeah. It's like late 90s early aughts with like awesome powers in the happy years. I think it goes up to Bridesmaids. Yeah. I was saying with SNL. Oh, I guess Bridesmaids. Yeah, SNL. Yeah. Speaking of Apatow, this movie is pretty legendary for all the improv and all the ad-libbing and stuff. So this is another thing that I saw a lot of debate about, how much is written versus how much is improv. So go ahead. Yeah. Well, I think it did influence comedies because I think everything was pretty rigid. With there's the script, Say Your Lines, here's the written jokes. And Caddyshack, they ad-libbed a lot, but it was mostly because they didn't have a script. But I think in this one, he was encouraging, Reibman was encouraging the people to explore the studio space with different scenes. And then I think in the 2000s, that really took off. Well, it's also these guys' idea. Yeah. So being that it's their idea. They're writers. And they know who Murray is. Yeah. They know what they're doing with it. There was like a quote, Acroy had had some quote where he was like, the script is mostly structure and exposition. And a lot of the dialogue is like Murray cooking. Yeah. Then the shooting script is All the Lions. But I guess there are a lot of alts where Murray's throwing out three or four different options. So it's kind of what do you believe? 55 Central Park West. I think Wednesday Amanda Dobbins were for Best Piece of Real Estate. Just a great looking building. The real Ghostbusters cartoon I have as of age the best, that was like a real thing there for four years. It was a big deal. Yeah. And honestly kept the whole thing in the consciousness between the two movies. To make the sequel happen, whether you like the sequel or not. And this was the Ghostbusters thing is the first time as a child that I ever experienced confusion in the marketplace. Confusion in the marketplace is something that I would go on to like experience in my adult life. Like which thing is the real thing? There was another Ghostbusters cartoon. And this Ghostbusters cartoon featured them going through time with a fucking gorilla or some shit like that. And so like the reason why the real one is called the real Ghostbusters is because it was like, hey, these are the Ghostbusters that you know. But I watched the other Ghostbusters for like four shows. And it was different dudes, right? It was different dudes like waiting for them to become the Ghostbusters from the movie. Right. And then the real Ghostbusters comes out. It's completely different. It's the first time I realized that. It's cute. I had the green slimer as a what's age the best because Acro and Ramus really wanted the green slimer to be like Belushi. So they were really pushing the guy to be like, can you make this Belushi-esque and make them like a party animal, slobby. And they spent a lot of money on it. And it's like really important, Acroid. It's like they feel like that's how they got Belushi in the movie with this green slimer. That's really cool. Yeah. I think Slime period his age really well. 80s and 90s big slimer. Nickelodeon took it over. Nickelodeon, all that stuff. Yeah, good point. The promo stuff for this is what I forgot to mention at the top. They had a theatrical trailer with the toll free telephone number and a message with Murray and Acroid. And everyone called it. And it was for some reason worked really well with the marketing. You mentioned the busters thing. So the ghostbusters phenomenon, you had budget busters, crop busters, nuke busters, litter busters, price busters, those Pan American Airlines. So busters just took off and eventually became myth busters and stuff we have now. The no ghost logo was modified to protest Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale, Mickey Mouse, Union style, that kept going. And then Murray, when he says this chick is toast, they think it's the first time somebody ever said toast as like a slang term and then it took off. No shit. Oh, really? Wow. They don't think it existed before this. Interesting. Yeah. Great shot, Gorda award, most cinematic shot. I don't have a specific shot, but this movie shot by Laszlo Kovacs, who's like a Hungarian cinematographer did stuff for Bogdanovich and then winds up shooting a bunch of stuff in the 80s. A lot of New York that makes that basically that 80s New York vibe of movies that moves on from like the super gritty to the more like, hey, yeah, people can live here now and it's Wall Street. And like people have advertising executive jobs and that look is very distinctive. And he did like legal eagles and he did Ghostbusters, obviously, and say anything. So he shot mask. He's just like a really good cinematographer, but all of the New York stuff that he shoots, the crowd scenes and stuff are just great. I have a great shot, Gordo, since you didn't have one. When they're going up the stairs at the end, and they have that one shot where it just seems like it's a hundred floors of stairs above them. When we get to 20, let me know I'm in a pew card. It's just really, it's a really cool shot. Chesswap World Broccoli and there's a word for best character name. Is it Dr. Peter vanquen? No, I think it's gone. Spangler. It's goes or the gozerian. Oh, goes or the gozerian. Goes or the gozerian. Goes or the gozerian. Denetheys Benihana Award. Would you go Dana's apartment in the library or something else? I had the firehouse. Okay. Firehouse is fantastic. Do you know what I like that we don't see on film that much? Tavern on the green. When they're outside and he's running through, that's in trading places. I just love the way the outside looks. It's like all these people that are eating in there and not noticing what's happening outside. They did that a couple of times. I love that. I stuck a category and I didn't tell you. What is it? It's going to get acrimonious. The Rose from Titanic Award for character who sneaky sucks. Egon. Oh. Harold Ramis made a choice to never smile as Egon in this entire movie. Because he didn't think he thought it would be super serious. You didn't like it. I collect plates, molds and fungus. Sports. He's fine. I think him in any pots. Like you said there are the Beatles. It's like he's fine. Yeah. Well, you need a Ringo. He's fine. What's your problem? He's fine. But like what he's the brain of the operation. In fact, he's George. First of all, crack a smile. Maybe get two jokes in there or something. He delivers funny lines. In stripes, he's really good. When he's like Ray, the interest rate alone after five years is $95,000. That was funny. Craig. I'm closer to that. He serves the right purpose. He's a role player. Okay. He's just setting picks. He's fine. What do you have for a flex category? The Dorfler's Door Award for how much that hurt is when Vagmin gets slimed. He recovers really quickly for having a physical contact with a ghost. And is it like, what do you think? It's like super thick gooey stuff. Yeah, what's going on? So yeah, I had Bill. Bill was about, Bill caught himself. Bill was like, isn't it thick? Well, I just had to remember who I was sitting next to. It's very true. I just, and then I was going to try and do a book about medals for this movie. And it's the whole movie. Right. When he got slimed, did it paralyze him? That's what I'm asking. Yeah. It seems like he was like, I can't move. It seems like the slime took over him. The Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award for excellence in on-screen smoking. Ackroyd. Ackroyd's dangling cigarette thing that he pulls off, or I don't know how he kept it in his mouth. And apparently no adhesives or anything. He just knew how to do it. There's a 59 second smoking super cup from this movie that I sent you guys. I watched it. Could have been longer. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. Oh, this was tough. Come on, Van. This, this, this was tough. I really could not think of a weak link. And I'm not going to give it to Ernie Hudson on this goddamn podcast. I really thought about this. I wanted to push myself to think about a weak link in the movie. And I could not think of one. Every character that speaks sort of has- Are you saying this because you're like, you don't want LeBron to talk bad about Memphis? Like you don't want to talk bad about- No. I mean, if you were going to give a weak link, that would be the sore thumb. Right? And I'm not, but even he is not a weak link. I think he- Well, don't do a drive-by at Anypots just because you don't want to- It's not Anypots though. It's not, to me, it's not Anypots. Anypots is an important character too. I don't think, I don't really don't think the movie has a weak link. I'm being for real. I agree with him. And I don't have any caveats. What the fuck? Here we go. I think it's Winston. See? Yeah. Let's do it. It's your podcast. It's your- Go ahead and do it. It's Ernie Hudson aside. I'm not, it's not an Ernie Hudson thing to me. You can't do that. You fucking- It's not an Ernie Hudson thing. Yeah. I just don't really understand why he shows up halfway through the movie and I think the whole thing- It's too much work for three Ghostbusters. I agree with everything Craig said, but he just shows up- So they just need, they would need ten more. Well, that's what, I mean, Anypots is saying like you promised me more elsewhere. I get in theory they're like, he's going to be the everyman. But I don't feel like they really nailed the character. It just, all of a sudden he's just kind of there and he never really has this moment. Well, guess what? I understood him. I got exactly what he wanted. Exactly what he was putting down. He's the one that talks about believing in God. Like, do you believe in God? He deepens the Ghostbusters style. I love Jesus style. I don't think they had a scene with him that explains like why I'm supposed to have a connection with him. I would compare it to in the NBA season during the trade deadline when it's like, we need a shooter. It's like, we've got Karris Levert. Here's Karris Levert now. He's on the pistons. It's like, that's a great idea. Karris Levert, and then you never figure out how to use Karris Levert. This is their trade deadline middle of the movie pickup, but I don't think they totally figured out how to incorporate him. And I think he feels it too, which is why he seems to have a complicated relationship. I think his character is probably the person hurt most by its Craig Horlback number of running time, where it's like, there's just not enough time. The obvious point is there's a moment in the mayor's office when he's like, you're on or I want to speak for myself and you could see Venkman peel off and be like, oh my God, here we go. He's going to be Craig. I just had more questions and answers with like, does he like the other Ghostbusters? Well, he's there for a job. Yeah. Right. I mean, even says, does he like these guys? Does he believe in what they're doing? This is not worth another five grand a year. Right. I think they needed that character because the movie got increasingly fantastical as it went along. And it's overnight success. They do one job at the hotel and then they're at fucking like Studio 54 the next night. And it's it's cool to have like a little bit of the like, hey, I need a job and like, I'll just do whatever you guys say if the money is right. And it's but you so you would say this was perfectly executed because I would disagree. I wouldn't say that it was perfectly executed. I wouldn't say that it's not it's not pronounced enough to warrant criticism. I understand why they did it. I think it probably made sense in the room. I don't think they executed well enough in the movie. There you go. He needed like either one more scene where I'm like, oh man, he really needs this job. I didn't realize he had this hardship in his life or oh, his his wife just died or something where I'm like, oh, now I'm attached to this guy. He wanted to kill the man's wife to make him put him in the movie. He haven't we given enough? He's gonna kill the man's wife. They're in the jail in the prison scene. He seems like angry. Like he seems like he's mad at the guys. I'm like, don't be mad at my guys. No question, Bill. Why would you think? Yeah. That that guy in that situation would be mad because he met these guys and ended up in jail. It's easy. Like what do you think? What do you think? It's almost better if he leaves and he's like, you guys are fucking crazy. I don't know. He's also the one who's like, you can't just go to the mayor and be like, it's biblical end of times. Right. Yeah. So he's just he's the one that's sort of tempering the movie because the movie becomes a full on science fiction fantasy in the third act. Yeah. In the last 10, 15, 20 minutes, it's it's like that. This was fun though. What are you gonna do? I can't wait to hear your hottest take. Jesus Christ. That's your week. Christ, need one less job in the town. That's what Bill said. I'm glad he's in the movie. I just thought there's like a scene missing. Yeah. Like yeah. My weak link is is Walter Pack. And it's not because I don't think William Atherton is basically the prick of the 80s and is an iconic asshole in these movies. Talk about it in a second. But I think he could have used either a little bit more juice, like a slightly more earlier appearance, like maybe he just like his whole thing is like two scenes. And it's like everything that happens could have happened by accident without the EPA throwing off the yeah. It's a good point. What's age the worst? Ghostbusters 2, just a money grab. Yeah. I think that none of us feel great about the handling of the franchise in general is probably been a little. Yeah, I have three more sequels. Also shameless money grabs. Yeah. Across the board and the all female Ghostbusters is one of the worst movies in the 2010s. It's really bad. It's just bad. It's a bad movie. Well, I'll tell you what I thought. I thought it was a very important movie. I thought it was a movie that had to be made. I thought it was a movie for its time. I wanted to see a film where you're running for mayor. I'm fucking with you. It sucked. But like I'm fucking with you. It was terrible. And I remember trying. This is awful. I remember trying to woke myself into loving it. Like I'm sitting down. They were really good people in that movie. Hey, hey, hey. The movie, it's everybody is dead ass nice at what they do. The writer, the director, all of them together. It just didn't fucking work. Did you watch either of the Jason Reitman movies? I after female Ghostbusters, I was out. Okay. Yeah. I was like, you know what? Some I feel the same way about a lot of stuff. Those movies, if I remember correctly, the thing is weird about them is like they are not without some charms. Yeah. Carrie Coon is really good at it. But like you're just kind of like, why is this a Ghostbusters movie? It's a full on like. It's not like it's, I mean, it's too much telling on screen for it to be like totally whack, but the fucking shit didn't work. And the Ghostbusters that they made, the subsequent ones, the first one I actually kind of enjoyed. But I actually thought it was pretty cool. What the sequel? The first sequel that they made. Yeah. With all like the goo underneath the city and stuff. I actually enjoyed that. Okay. I had from what's age the worst. Really tough movie for cable for about 15 years because of the pain and scan. Because, and you can see it now on the wide TVs. This was filmed like a wide movie. And on the pain and scan, you just miss a lot of stuff and everything feels really tight. This is how they did it with the square TVs. And it just was always like not the best watch. And now it's a great watch again because the TVs got wider. But I thought it suffered for a few years. A couple of visual gags here that I only noticed like this time around where when Dana first comes in to the firehouse and she goes up to Annie Potts and then Murray just like pops up. And the back of the frame and runs over the, over the half wall. It's great. We mentioned the I want a new drug controversy. And then the only other one is William Atherton claims he became reviled after the movie. Well, I mean, then he was such a bad guy that people would be like, Hey, Dick, what's the problem? And, and just like we're really mad at him for a few years. And then he's like, fuck it. And doubles down and does die hard. I have to say this. I know, you know, people think that I have no taste in movies. I love Ghostbusters 2. Love it. Didn't you just start with I thought it was okay and now you've gotten to I love it? No, no, no, no, no. In just like five seconds. I don't think that I, if I was saying I thought it was okay, then like I love Ghostbusters 2. Okay. Like it's it's it's hard for me to look at the movie as bad. I'm got my nostalgia glasses on. The one thing that age poorly in this movie is some of the establishing shots look boarded. They look like, oh yeah. Yeah. Like I that is always a thing that stamps a movie. And it's like some of the establishing shots in the movie, they look sort of animated and rendered in a way. I think that there's a bunch of stuff at the end of the movie that's basically matte paintings and stuff like that. Yeah. And they use those as establishing shots and like the like that stuff never aged as well to me when they do stuff like that. You didn't have anything else. I just Peter Venkman using his position as a professor to extract sexual favors out of students and clients. I just thought that was part of the job. By the way, question. When Venkman is in there with the girl. With the psychic. With the psychic girl, right? With hilarious scene. Wavy lines, the whole time. When he tells Ray to come back, right? In an hour and an hour and a half. Does Venkman think that he's about to fuck? Yes. In the like, well, if that's the case, that ain't store. Terribly. And by the way, an hour and hour and a half told you nine minutes. That's the floor. Ruffalo Han and Ruben at Partridge overacting award. The person playing goeser. Yeah. Who was that? That's a good question. They said they wanted Grace Jones and she turned it down. Yeah. I think it was person you get when you can't get Grace Jones. So they made someone look exactly like Grace Jones in terms of the aesthetic. Oh, Van. You have a flex category. Flex category. Another list. Slot via Yovan. Okay. Play goeser. I mean, there's no picture. All right. Van's flex category. He's got a list. Top five dick actors of the 80s. You see these guys, you know that they're playing. Oh, okay. Oh, like actual dicks. Like they're not actually dicks in real life. I'm sure these guys are lovely men, but these guys play the assholes of the 80s. Okay. Okay. Number five, Thomas F. Wilson. Oh, Biff. Biff. Yeah. Back to the future one, back to the future two. Now he doesn't have the dick catalog of some of these other guys, but Biff is just all the time. Hall of Fame, first ballot dick. Yes. Not only that, Biff, psychopath, killer. Biff wants to kill and he has killed. At first. Unethical gambler. Unethical gambler. Hold it. Number four, Paul Gleason. Yeah. The breakfast club, trading places. Oh, yeah. He plays. I make $30,000 a year. These kids are going to respect me. The top three is where it really gets tight. Because the top three, because you need after 10 in there. Yeah. Number three, William Zabka. Okay. Billy Z. Johnny Lawrence, crydy kid. Just one of the guys and Chaz. Back to school. Chaz. Yeah, back to school. Top two. A dick diver. A dick diver. Top two, we basically got LeBron and Jordan. Yeah. It depends on what you want. And it's Atherton and who? Spader. Oh, yeah. Ather, like, it depends on what you like. I mean, to me, Spader is playing at another level. You know? You think Spader is playing at another level? Yes. But when you think about Atherton, though, Spader is number two for me. Pretty in pink, baby boom, whatever movie he was in. Because he could slide the other way too and be a decent guy. The Atherton's like, could only be a dick. Atherton, Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Don't Forget, Real Genius, also in Real Genius as the terrible professor. Oh, that's right. In Real Genius as well. Like, that's three in terms of the movies I love. All time, heavyweight assholes. Do you consider Spader a dick in sex lies and videotape? Kinda. Kinda, yeah, but yeah. Kind of want to do that. Kind of a romantic. I kind of want to do sex lies and videotape. What do you mean, kind of? It's on the list. That's my mom's favorite movie. Your mom's favorite movie? Yes, unfortunately. I'm talking about? Yeah. Yes, it is. That's a Baton Rouge classic. Would she do it with us? No. But she's asked repeatedly when we're doing it. OK. She thinks it's the height of cinema. That and Annie Hall, she wants us to do that one too. She can't believe we haven't done a Woody Allen movie yet. Bill's mom month? I'm like, I'll do it. Bill's mom month? Bill's mom month? Can we get that sponsor? Who will sponsor that? Hallmark. Hallmark? Yeah. Yeah, wait. It would be alcohol. With alcohol sponsor. Josh Weins. So, Atherton number one. I got Atherton to number one. I feel like real genius put him over the top. Because when I was thinking about it, I like to think about this. Saabka did have the trilogy. That's absolutely. There's also a definitional thing, because you're going with dramas and comedies here. And I wonder whether or not in the Schwarzenegger 80s action universe there's like. Like Robert Patrick. Yeah, there's some dicks in there. I thought about Gene Hackman, who also tended in this day to play on. The only one who feels like he's missing is Burt Young, because he played Pauly, the worst character in any movie ever. But I guess you're making a distinction between dicks and villains. Yeah, not villains, but dicks. Because the guy who plays Cherry in another 48 hours is the bad guy in Toy Soldiers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But that's more of a villain. Andrew Davis. Yeah, that's more of a villain. And Robert Davy is a big one for the 80s. Robert Davy was huge. That was the Goonies. William Forsythe could be in there too. Oh, yeah. I think you landed in the right spot. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, Hottest Take Award. I'll go last, because I think you guys are going to get up and leave. I think that Ghostbusters is the best movie to ever come out of Saturn in our life. And I will include not only movies based on sketches, which is how we probably usually think of SNL movies, but let's go Elf. Let's go Bridesmaids. Let's go Wayne's World. Tommy Boy. I'll include a bunch now. Austin Powers. But when you get to, you know, is in Glorious Bastards a Saturday Night Live movie, because Mike Myers is in it. No. It has to have at least a couple of people from SNL and have an SNL sensibility. And it has to be relatively close enough to when they were on the show. Yeah. Yes. Can't be like 28 years later. But I think this is the best movie to come out of Saturday Night Live. I think it's clear. The question is what's two actually. Because like when I think about all the movies that we could compare to, there's a huge, huge gap. I mean, Wayne's World and the rest of those movies were like phenomenons, but there's a huge gap. Oh, is trading places count? Yeah, you think so? And I think there's a world in which Anchorman counts. I mean, that would be the competition. But I would say it's clearly the most successful of any SNL movie ever. Anchorman, even if you were to count Anchorman, it's just like in no way shape or form, fucking with Ghostbusters. It was almost like a slow burn, Anchorman. Yeah. That's pretty good, CR. What are we leaving out? I feel like... No, I mean, there's a bunch of the Farrell movies have to be mentioned. Yeah. I mean, Step Brothers and Talladega, but a lot of those movies are like... There's a million Salem movies. Like Happy Gilmore has to be in there. Yeah. Eddie Murphy movies? Like Beverly Hills Cops? Yeah, all the Eddie movies. But it only made really... It's just Eddie in those movies. It's not like they come from like a creative nexus of like... You need like at least two people tied to that. I think so. It's also lasted the test of time better than any SNL movie by far. It's better than Blues Brothers. It's better than... Yeah. Blues Brothers is more culturally expired. Ghostbusters is still super popular in famous. I never talked about the movies. I never talked about the movies. It's really only Belushi and that, so that doesn't go. What's your hardest take? What right do the Ghostbusters have to put ghosts in jail? I never thought about the Ghostbusters, the fucking police. I think to myself, like, guess it's my uncle Mark, rest in peace, right? Let's say that my uncle Mark, who spent a lot of time at Golden State Penitentiary, passed away, wants to come back and visit me. What right do the Ghostbusters have to incarcerate ghosts? First of all, is it... Is it like an immigration issue? Put ghosts in jail. If ghosts were... If this was happening in 2026, we now know how you would be tweeting about Ghostbusters. I would have to ask the question. The reality, I never thought about this before in my life because I think my brain was regular before and now it's warped. But I thought about it. You get to go and a police action against a ghost, tie the ghost up. The woman that was in the library, that was clearly her job, she was shushing people, she used to work there. They're always slibber doing that. Yeah, I'm just saying, they're just hanging around. If the ghosts are acting unruly, that's one thing. You talk to the ghosts, give the ghosts therapy, whatever you do. Well, this is where the EPA comes in. What I'm saying, the EPA, a viral... What gives them the right to build a private prison and put the ghosts in there? We haven't really vetted what these guys are doing. It's a private transaction between the person who calls the Ghostbusters and the Ghostbusters. Because the Ghostbusters are like, when he's like, I'm not going to pay for this, they're like, well, we'll just let the ghosts back out. Well, yeah, right. So the Ghostbusters run a nuclear-powered private prison for ghosts. And I don't know, like... Was that a good use of city resources? I don't think that's right. Yeah. Well, you know my theory with ghosts. What? You got to just talk to them and get to a good place with them. You don't become adversarial with the ghosts. All that's going to do is make them want to fight you. So it was more about you would be more of a social outreach kind of Ghostbusters? I would be like pro-ghost, friendly-ghost. Like, how can we help you guys? Like, what do we do? Now, obviously, there are some ghosts, you know, ghosts possessing people and all that stuff. You got to bring Constantine in and do all of that stuff. But for the most part, I don't know that they have the right to do what they was doing. And it kind of pissed me off this time. Like, get out of here. I have a second how to stake real quick one. Dana's a fucking gold digger. What do you mean? Dana very clearly dissed Venkman when he first came to her apartment. Oh, that he wasn't in the stratosphere for her? Yeah, she very clearly... Do you think she's dating the guy who's snorting Afrin? She was dating him. But you know what changed? What changed is she saw Venkman on TV. He became a small business owner. Venkman became a small business owner. He became a celebrity. And even when he comes up to it next time, when she sees him, she smiles. Because now he's famous. You know what? I respect it. She's a classical violinist. She's tall and she's hot. And she's not going to date some discount. She's just making her way through the New York City 80s. She's got guys who run restaurants coming after her and hedge fund guys. She's got like Kyan people. Gordon Gekko is at the goddamn orchestra. Athletes like Bernard King made her run in her. Like she's got a lot of options. Lawrence Taylor has called her. Do you think she dated Bernard King but then the knee injuries kind of took him out of the fix for her? Then she was out. Yeah. Did she go for Dennis Peck? Yeah, Dennis Peck. So what's your how to stake? Yeah, you guys are going to be happy. I think if Sigourney and Kathleen Turner switch movies in 1984, everyone wins. So what's the... Remancing the Stone. Sigourney does Remancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile. And Kathleen Turner does Ghostbusters 1 and 2. And this movie goes to another level. And when she's possessed, I think I'm dead. I think in 1984, that's it. I have like a testicle explosion. I'm just dead. Fucking guys. Shit. With possessed Kathleen Turner, it's like, what happened to your son? He died. It's a weird story. He exploded. What is leading you to want to like improve Ghostbusters by 5%? What are you doing? This is the whole point of the hottest take award. Okay. This is a hot take. You forget. I just think you switch Kathleen Turner and Sigourney. So you want Kathleen Turner and Eddie Murphy in Ghostbusters? I think Sigourney would have been amazing in Remancing the Stone. Sure. She would have. She would have really worked. It would have really worked. She's athletic. I don't know how I will. Kathleen Turner works in this. Then does Sigourney Weaver does War of the Roses? Like, does she take the Turner spot? She does War of the Roses. Yeah. I tell you what. We just do some switcheroo's. Maybe Kathleen Turner's and Dave. You forget what type of time Kathleen Turner was. I didn't forget. That's why this is my hot take. Damn. It's the fuck I'm talking about. She was Kathleen Turner in the mid-80s is to me all time. It's a Mar-a-Lago superstar right now. She just oozed sexuality in every moment of her life. Your testicle would explode. That's what you said? I said there would have been a testicular explosion. But why? Why? Why? Why? But do you feel like a part of this? Do you feel like she was maybe too smoldering for this movie? Yeah. She's too hot for Ghostbusters. The thing is she was miscast or Remancing the Stone because she plays like this bouncy romance novelist who's like gets unleashed by Michael Douglas, Swashbuckling. In this adventure. And it's like that's a better Sigourney River world role. Kathleen Turner is like I'm a hot classical violinist and now I'm possessed by Zool. Are you just looking at pictures of Kathleen Turner in the rest of this podcast? The band's gone. Yeah man. We had to take one more break trying to rally the band back. I've never really. Yeah. All right. Casting What Ifs. There's a ton including Chevy Chase claiming in 2018 that he turned down Venkman. Yeah. Again, all I have is the sniff test for these. So which one of these? That one didn't smell right to me. Let me ask you this. Do you believe Chevy Chase and Bill Murray have had a weird relationship for 50 years? I believe there was a phone call. And he's like, yeah, I could have done Ghostbusters. But I believe there's also like in the half-assed internet research for this, there is just a real like Bill Murray is not in your movie until he is in the first issue. Do we have backup plans? Yes. Was there a phone call? Possibly. I'm going to read you the What Ifs that are listed on the internet for Venkman. Just give me the one that you think is the most interesting. Okay, cool. Michael Keaton, Chevy Chase, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams. I don't believe that one. Steve Gutenberg. No way. And Richard Pryor. No. Okay. So I believe Keaton. I don't believe Hanks. Keaton was the one that I thought was the most interesting. I think Keaton made a ton of sense and I think he would have been good in the movie. And I'm pro Michael Keaton. Keaton has played versions of this role. Oh yeah. Yeah, he's the last cracking. He's basically this in Gung Ho. Gung Ho, yeah, in Gung Ho. As you know, Billy Blaze Jasky, I think is one of the funniest characters in the history of anything. And I think he could have just been Billy Blaze Jasky in his Venkman. From Night Shift. From Night Shift. From Night Shift. Yeah. The one that I was most interested in was the Egon rumors. Christopher Walken, John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, Jeff Goldblum. Goldblum seems like he turned it. Goldblum turned it down, did he? That's what that was in the research. But then you read the Reitman story and it's like, yeah, it was Archie Gost. But it does seem like Reimas eventually became Egon. But Egon, yeah. Egon. Who's Egon? The guy in the nets? Egon Damon. He eventually became Egon Damon on the nets. Egon. I love that those are the two things you've got in your brain. But I wonder if there was a moment when he didn't think he was going to be in it. Goldblum, I think, is really good. Walken's pretty interesting. Walken's interesting. Goldblum could have done it in his life. I think Walken, she was up too much scenery. You wanted Eddie Murphy to play Winston. I know. Well, that's Eddie Murphy. Okay. What version of Walken would you have wanted? Would you have wanted Dear Hunter? It's basically Annie Hall Walken. Would you want roulette? Guys, when the Dear Hunter, when we watchables, when we do that. Have you seen Dear Hunter? No. Oh my God. Never. Oh, we talked about this. Yeah. Talk about a movie that obliterates the Horrobeck scale. I think it doubled that. It's put a lot of piss for as long. Yeah. But it moves quick though. Lots happening, everything. Apparently, Daryl Hannah, Denise Crosby, Julie Roberts, and Kelly LeBrock all auditioned for Dana. Julia Roberts? She was too young. In 1984? Yeah. What about LeBrock? I don't know if I believe that. LeBrock's interesting. John Candy offered Lewis Toei turned it down. Wanted to do Lewis with a German accent. They definitely went hard after John Candy. And he just didn't get it. And then Sandra Bernhard turned down Jeanine. I think we wound up in the right place with everything. Right. And then Paul Rubens was allegedly going to be Gozer for a second. I don't know if I believe that one. All of these, I just don't know if I believe. Best that guy. So is William Atherton of that guy? Or is it William Atherton? I think you can throw him in there. I think he's probably that guy. Yeah. See that guy to you? He's the that guy to me. Yeah. Okay. So he's the best. But he's that guy from Die Hard or that guy from Ghostbusters? Correct. I think I think Hardley is who plays the mayor. Oh, he's a really good that guy. Jennifer Runyon was a stealth that guy. She was in Up the Creek, Charles in Charge, whole season. Key nanotoon, no episode. And she played Cindy Brady in A Very Brady Christmas. All in like five years. Deion Waiters Award. Moreno is in it too much. No, he's not. He's in three Cs. No, he's in the whole last 20 minutes or something. I got him or Andy Pax. I got to talk to you for a second about Deion. Deion is about a screen time limit. It's about what you do with your screen time. He's like the sixth lead in the movie. Come on. The movie is six characters. Help me out here. No, he's clearly right. He's in it for like 45 minutes. He meets her outside of her apartment. He has his party. Yeah. Gets chased. Then he does Vince Corvall. He has the whole scene outside the apartment. He has the whole party scene. He has the whole chase scene. We didn't even talk about enough where he's just like, do you want some coffee? Yes, have some. And he's smelling the fucking landline. It's so funny. So is Ernie Hudson eligible? Yeah, but Ernie Hudson is not funnier than fucking her friends. He's trying to start shit. Yeah. You want to double down. All right. If you want to make Moranis eligible, that's fine. What do you think, Craig? Is he eligible? I just looked it up. He's in, this is according to AI. Eight to 10 minutes of this movie. I can't be right. Eight to 10 minutes. That's it? No, it's not. Roughly eight to 10 minutes of screen time in this movie. If you pay for the pro version, can you get an actual runtime? Claude or chat, chat GPT. Would you have Annie Potts? No, I think I'd have Moranis. I just wanted to make sure he's in it. Do you like Annie Potts in this movie? I think she's lovely. Yeah, she's fine. She's good. She's good. I like to read. Yeah. Her accent is crazy. Her accent is crazy. Out of control. Hidden on Egon. All of that. Yeah, she's good. I love her. Recast in couch director city. The John Candy one really stuck in my head. He ends up doing splash, so he's represented in 1984 in a good way. But it's just a really interesting twist if he's that character. I don't know what's better because I think Moranis is great. Craig did his flex, half-fast internet research. Columbia had Frank Price, who ended up becoming a great director. A great teammate of Michael Eisner's and then died tragically in a plane crash when he was the number two guy at Disney. He became the head of Universal after he bought the script and believed in the script so much. He sold Columbia the title for 500,000 plus 1% of the film profits. There you go. Smart son of a bitch. Fucking Frank Price. Smart dude. Yeah. Richard Edlin did all the special effects, used part of the budget to found Boss Film Studios because there were no special effects studios back then. They advanced $5 million and started this whole thing. The Marshmallow main outfit designed by Bill Bryan, who modeled his walk after at Godzilla. 18 foam suits cost almost $600,000. And he had to have a separate air supply because the whole thing was so toxic. Marshmallow was raining down the crowd with shaving cream. Yeah. Gave a lot of people rashes. But you know what? I was thinking like. 1984 was great. That would be so dope if it was actually Marshmallows and you were just like an extra in the set of Ghostbusters. Just picking Marshmallow out of your hair for five years. The original library ghost puppet was too scary and had to be given in the Fright Night movie. Oh, interesting. Oh, my friend. You mentioned the Biltmore. There is a deleted scene where Ray as a sexual encounter with a female ghost, they decided to cut. Sorry, man. Wait a minute. Well, Ray does have a. He does have a sexual encounter. He gets a BJ from a female. Well, not a BJ, but like he gets his. He's zipper. He's zipper. Took it off. But I think there's like. That's like a running gag in the. I think it goes further. Oh, OK. And then the rooftop, the final confrontation was at a sound stage that required 50,000 amps of electricity to properly light it. In Columbia, I had to shut down all of their other stages while they did this because it was so much electricity. Jesus. I run like almost a parallel of the movie. Apex Mountain. Oh, I had one more piece of internet research from the Vanity Fair. Kind of not an oral history, but it's like a making of Ghostbusters piece. When they're basically waiting to find out whether Murray's going to do this movie. And they're not sure until like the day of the movie. So Murray flies back to New York after the Razor's Edge shoot. This is from Vanity Fair. Ramis and Reitman picked him up at LaGuardia Airport to show him the rework script. Quote, Bill flew in on a private plane an hour late. Ray Miss said in the 1985 interview, he came through the terminal with a stadium horn, one of those bull horns that plays 80 different fight songs. And he was addressing everyone in sight with this thing. They had to drag him out and take him to a restaurant in Queens where they showed him the script and he had no input and just said, I trust you guys. He does the movie. That would have been good for the Steven Seagal category. Apex Mountain Murray, I think, yes. OK. Yeah. Could make an argument for Groundhog Day, but yeah. Accurate. I think Groundhog Day is a good counter. After this, it's like, I mean, he didn't work for four years because this movie was so huge. Groundhog Day becomes like this gigantic huge. Accurate. Probably trading places. Well, he wrote this though and he basically is the custodian of the Ghostbusters franchise. So I think that in some ways this is his apex. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Groundhog Day to me is for Bill Murray. For Bill Murray. But yeah. Sigourney Weaver. No. Nah. No, no. Haleons. Haleons. 55 Central Park West. Yes. Ramis. Oh, yes. I guess probably doing being a director. It would be this or Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day. Probably Groundhog Day. State Puff Marshmallows. Yes. Yes. Real brand. Is it? Yeah. Is it? I thought it was. Didn't look up. Ghost movies? I have that as to me. I think it is. These are ghosts. These are ghosts. This is the debate that I'm here for. Is it ghost or Ghostbusters for the number one Ghost movie of all time? For me, it's busting. Did you do Ghost with us when we did that and rewatched? Not. That was you, me and Amanda, where you said that this is your idea of the afterlife. Yeah. I thought that was, I thought what happens in Ghost is what happens in Hell. Is it? At the end? At the end? Yeah. When they bring Willie Lopez, they pull him down the shadows, come out and pull him down in the ground. Right. That's what happens. Oh wow. Okay. I think they really figured it out. In the real, in my day. You're like, what happened when you look at your dead self and then the fucking shadows come out and pull you down. It was very sad, see. Which one is it? I think it's Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters or Ghost? I think it's Ghostbusters. I would have put Poltergeist in the running too. Poltergeist is cool, but Poltergeist is cool. I think it's Ghostbusters, but it is like, oh, it's razor thin to me. Ghost is like such a big thing. Some other people might be like, it's paranormal activity or it's, it's, it's conjuring or something like that. Paranormal activity is really good. I like that movie. New York City movies? No. No. Ernie Hudson? You Oz? What else was he, what's his biggest thing? Well, he plays the special needs gardener in Hand That Rocks the Cradle. Yeah. He was in Oz for a couple of years. Oz, he plays the warden. That's right. He's good in Oz. He's great in Oz. I like Ernie Hudson. Yeah, don't try to stay on that side. I am. The record is like Ernie Hudson. They stay on that side. I don't think that part was Ernie Hudson's fault. Ernie is the man, but this is probably what he's best known for. I think so. He's one of the Ghostbusters. Is he in the sequel? Yes. Does he have a larger role? Basically the same, a little bit larger. Rick Moranis? No. No. Right? It's Honey Ashram. The Kids. Yeah. New York City Library scenes. Might be. Yeah, I think New York City Public Library probably. The Cedric Hotel. Never heard of that before this movie. Anything else? Turning it to dogs. Oh, yeah. Could it be? Think about it. I mean, turning it to dogs, there's twilight when you turn it to a wolf. There's other stuff, but it's just. Yeah. I was going to say, it's hard to articulate what exactly is the Apex Mountain, but one of the things that bums me out about modern architecture is you're just never going to get a story like the occult architect who built in like a special metal to make it a super conductor of paranormal stuff. Like it's I got five condos above a trader, Joe's. Like nothing's going to happen there. Yeah. It's good point. Ghost combat. Last one. Is this the Apex of Ghost Combat? I'm asking. Because there's actually ghosts fighting with ghosts, tussling with the ghosts. I would say ice cream and Ghost of Mars. This is a pretty good ghost combat. I think it is. Cruiser, Hanks. I have Hanks. Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg. Spielberg. This is tough. No, it's not. You know what, see Marty's versus New York City. No, no, no, no, no. Travis Biddle comes with Ghost of Mars. It's cocaine at the end instead of Marshbellos. It's Spielberg. You guys are so fucking boring with this one. The Vane Lathan Award did this movie need more black people. Nah. Okay. Pickin' Nets. Is Dana's apartment too nice? It feels like it is. So that feels like an apartment that it's like Mimi Rogers' apartment and someone to watch over me level quality. Isn't that like the single most coveted spot in New York City? Central Park West has always been one of the great, you know, real estate. Like if I could pick any apartment location, it might be that literal apartment. But I think she's got one bedroom. Like it's not like she's living in a panel's apartment. It's really nice. It is very nice. I think she comes from money. Because like I think what she calls her mother. Yeah, that's why she's like, Vankman. She doesn't like Vankman because he doesn't have any bread. She's a concert cellist or whatever. She probably went to all the finest schools and the fucking Sorbonne, wherever you go, wherever you go to do that, I'll know where you go. But with Julia, wherever you go. Julia. And so she went to all that and that's what she's doing. That's why she's stuck up. Goes bring her back down to earth. Well, I had her know. You got her edge about Dana. I didn't like that part, man. Like don't front on me. When I come over here to help you with the ghost situation and then after I blow up, you want to be down with me. You know, in front of me. He's turkey based in your apartment and is like, when can we get Chinese food? That's facts. I had next picking nets. Why did Dana like Vankman? What turned it? But we already talked about this. We already know. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the. He bossed up. Probably a little cash. My only other one is I just think hundreds of people would have been killed by falling debris during the ending. Think all the people that were in the bottom of the of like looking up, they're all dead. Right. Just things that are falling down and hitting them. What do you have to see are for picking nets? Yeah. You know, I really like your point about like what gave them the right and would there be any oversight? Furthermore, like the New York City being in a paranormal pandemonium, I think would just be a much bigger deal. I know we see a brief moment of like the National Guard coming out, but I just don't think they would leave it up to these four guys who got kicked out of NYU or Columbia. Yeah. This was a city that protested the premiere of the Warriors. They would have the paranormal activity would have been tough. Why are the Ghostbusters allowed to have a blueprint in jail? Oh, yeah, dude. Why do they have they're in jail? They're looking at a blue movie jail though, where it's like a big it's almost like a big recess. They take your stuff and they put it in the thing, but they're letting them play. I think it's like a holding cell. Okay. Holding cell, whatever. You had other motherfuckers in there. I don't even know if those dudes have gotten processed. Like why are they allowed to have a blueprint in there to like look at a blueprint and stuff in there? It's a good one. Okay. sequel prequel prestige to be all black cast untouchable. Sadly, we got sequels. This should have been an untouchable. Sure. We should have been done. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Ryan Rucco, Gus Johnson, Zane Lowe. What do you got here? I got Zane when Gozer shows up. It's just like Zane. It goes to the Gozerian. It's great to see you, man or woman because you take many forms just like your music. Your music is undefinable and so are you. But I have to say good evening and as a duly designated representative of the city, county, and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forth with to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension and we'll be listening. Zane was wordy. Yeah. Yeah. Wordy Zane this time. I want to introduce Shaquille O'Neal. Oh my God. As the inside the NBA analyst analyzing the Ghostbusters movie and just saying, I thought the best person movie was Gozer the Gozerian. And then everybody kind of goes, okay, cool. And then they go to commercial. The others. Just want to ask her who gets it. The song, Bill Murray. Bankman. Bankman for best actor. The song that ripped off Huey Lewis gets best Oscar. Well, they didn't know at the time. The bankman. I got a bankman. So you've Bill Murray winning the Oscar. What? Well, who won in 1980? What was that year? I'm going to look it up. Is it going to be like raging war or something? Not in my nose. Gandhi? 84? Let's kind of guess. Gandhi? No. Chairs of fire? I just called to say I love you from Woman in Red. Oh, that won the Oscar. Yeah, Steve. F. Murray, Abraham and Amadeus. It's fine. Jeff Bridges and Starman. Albert Finney under the volcano. Tom Holts. And Amadeus. Honestly, I just- Sam Waterston in the killings fields was really good. He's really good. I'm just saying I'm not as far off as you think. I like it, CR. I respect it. I think there could have been room for Albert Finney under the volcano. I don't know what the fuck was going on there. Yeah. I had a bad call. Thanks, bud. Probably an answerable question. We just have to play out is this movie better or worse with Belushi than Bill Murray? And the answer is it's worse. Yeah. I love Belushi. That was one of my guys. I do think he needed this in the Belushi IMDB if he hadn't like lost his mind and, you know, thought of a drug overdose. This was the kind of movie that I think would have been great for him. He just didn't have it. He didn't have like a leading man trying to be like dashing and just nothing like this, which is probably why Bill Murray was writing it for him. He died on his climb. I mean, not accurate. He was still on his climb when he passed. Yeah. Yeah. I think this would have been a huge one for him. Sam, similar would you rather would be would you rather if this movie come out five years later, six years later, slightly better special effects? Hmm. Now, because I really feel like 84 was the quintessential year for this to come out. Yeah. I think it's like perfect timing of it. The Floyd Gondali butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. The Keymaster. Just a great nickname. Yeah. What are we doing? How is KD not the Keymaster? Oh, KD the Keymaster. Yeah. Well, they got it. If you do a Keymaster, you have to also have the Gatekeeper. So it's like. But maybe that so Jason Tatum could have been the Keymaster and Jaylen Brown could have been the Gatekeeper. The Gatekeeper and the Keymaster. Yeah. But you have to have people that like each other. And you have to have people who know Ghostbusters. So you can't have those. Maybe like, yeah, that could be Steph Castle and Victor Wemenyawa. Yeah. You have to have teammates like who would have been the Keymaster. Wemby is the Gatekeeper. He's closing the door at the back of the back of the play. Keymaster is really good. Yeah. I think for a little bit. My Floyd is Bill Murray working a crowd. So when they first get out at Ecto, when they get up to Dana's apartment at the end, and he's just like, you know him, you love him. It's Ray Stanz. Just like this guy has the city in the palm of his hand. This is crazy. Mine is the fireplace poles that you slide down. Oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. Come on, good one. Good one. Like, let's go. I'll check it. That I can put that way up there. Like, I love that joint. Remember the old Batman show? Yeah. Where they would start off as a plane and then slide down. Yeah. What are we doing? Do any of these hype houses have fucking fire poles? I haven't seen any. You know what happened? The poles turned into use for strippers. Yeah. Well, probably also like somebody fell. We stopped thinking about them being conventional, going from up here to down here and just thinking about women dancing on them. Women dance. I've seen some amazing things. The secret handshake club memorial, memorabilia you'd want from this movie. For me, it's one of the proton packs. There's got to be four total. And we can't do Ecto-1, the car, right? No, but that car is pretty crazy. It's also great when he pulls up and he's like, you can't park that here. You can't park that here. And the look on Mary's face when he tells him how much he paid for the car, they're in on him and he just like gives that look. It's like $4,800. He needs new shocks, new brakes, new brake pads. Yeah. How much? How much? $4,800. And then the look that he gives, that car is still out there. Yeah. They have it out there when you go see it. I always wanted one of the proton packs. I would do Ghostbusters jumpsuit. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, we're best worst life lesson. Ghosts are fucking real. That's my lesson. Don't underestimate them, Van. I'm not. You know, I believe in it. Best double feature choice? I have Big Trouble in Little China, which I probably have picked before, but has a similar comic sci-fi element to it. I had the Blues Brothers stay in this Iron Age. It's a long fucking night because Blues Brothers is a long movie. I had Cop. Let's just go 84. Beverly Hills Cop. Oh, thank you, but the James Witt. No, the James Witt. No. Beverly Hills Cop. Because Cop would be amazing. Who won the movie? Murray. Peter Vinkman won the movie, my friend, Bill Murray. There's a Reitman case. Yeah, for sure. Looks better than it's very well directed. Meatball Stripes. He's now, with this movie, becomes not only the premier comedy director of that generation, but as a director and producer, it just becomes a fucking juggernaut. Goes right to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is the kindergarten cop, and has this crazy run from, what, 79 to 93 all the way through Dave, 15 years. And Ghostbusters is the NBA finals MVP for him. Because you think about it, not I'm not slagging John Landis necessarily, but if John Landis is directing this movie, there's a 20-minute car crash scene in New York City. You get way more Staypuff Marshmallow Man than you need. There's just a lot more action, and Reitman just seems to know exactly why people will respond to this film. I had a bad joke. I would go Reitman, but you guys, what do you have for this? I would go Murray. Murray carries the hell out of this movie. Not that it's like, he's the only reason it's good, but he is cooking in every scene. Why do you think Bill Murray's funny? I'd show him Ghostbusters. Yeah. It also feels the most like he, like the lines were not written, and he was coming up with them, which I think you also have to give him credit for. That's kind of my takeaway. Seeing this movie again, because it has been a really long time, it's crazy to me how movies like this, that feel so like, I don't want to say unfinished, but movies that feel like to kind of make it up as they go, where it's like, the script wasn't really finished, Bill Murray just showed up last second. There was something I was reading about Annie Potts, just like, showed up the day she needed to shoot. They had like no costume for her. She took like the hairdressers glasses and put them on, and then just wore those for the whole movie. It's just, it's so haphazard the way these things are thrown together. And it's just, and now those glasses are kind of like, iconic. They're very, yeah. Yeah. And it's just crazy how messy those, these movies were of this era, and how they worked. And now, if that just wouldn't happen, everything would be so finished and glossy and purposeful and safe. And safe. And I think ultimately what's aged the best from this movie is just friends being in movies together, which is just like, you don't really see. Because there's friends in movies. That's a good call. That is a good call. Let's make a movie. We should. Let's do it. What would our movie be about? The three, the four of us. Four of us, trying to find a bar in San Francisco after a live show. That actually would be a really good start for a one crazy night movie. Having to walk six tenths of a block downhill and Mallory's dying and then something happens. No, we record a podcast in a house from a famous movie and then something happens in the house. The Boogie Nights house. Yeah. We're in the Boogie Nights house. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Or we're in the Halloween house recording a rewatchable and then some have. I think it's a one crazy night. Yeah. It's one crazy night. And it's clearly San Francisco because San Francisco closes. It's one of the five nights of the year that you're like, we're drinking tonight. Yeah. You know what the name of the movie is? Dan's ordering pizzas. We ordered a piece of the bar. The movie is called. What was the cocktail that you kept getting? I can't remember. Banana something. It was a banana something. Banana something. Banana Rama. Banana Rama. Banana Rama. The name of the movie is Live Show. And it's about. Live Show. Yeah. That's because it's about doing a live show in a place that's the big live show and everything goes wrong. Yeah. That's the name of the movie, Live Show. Yeah. We learned that night when Van says, I shouldn't tell you this because I've had too much to drink. That's a great bar though. Shut up that bar. Shut up that bar. It's like fucking buckle up at that point. Peacekeeper. That was a good bar. Peacekeeper bar. Peacekeeper. It's a great bar. Great bar. Great bar. Great salsa. One of the only bars in San Francisco open past 9.30 at night. Every day. I said that to a couple of people who stared at me like I was out of my mind. So obviously we were in the wrong place. We're probably in the wrong part of town. But whatever they're talking about, they fool the shit because we would go places. They'd be like, it's 9.15. Get the fuck out. And then we went and got coffee. What was the name of that place? Coffee movement. Coffee movement. Coffee movement. We did it online for 10 minutes, which violates everything I believe in. It's closed though. Literally everything. And then they only had 10 ounce cups. So you got two. So I had to get two 10 ounce coffees. It was really funny. And guess what? It was fucking delicious. It was worth it. I would wait on that line again. I had a fun time. Man, I rode the trolley. We went to the game. San Francisco's the best. It was a man's off. When we gone back, crowd was great. Crowd was great. The theater was great. Yeah, great theater. Peacemaker ended up being great. Tony V making moves with the giants line up here. We were at that one place that was at the top of the hotel. Top of the, top of the, top of the mark. Top of the mark. Yeah, top of the mark. Yeah. Had drinks. Beautiful. We were starving. Kicked out. No food. They looked at us like we were the fucking outsiders. Just walked in. Yeah. It's definitely a secret handshake club city. And we didn't know the handshake. We don't know the handshake. For food and bars. But I still like San Francisco. Bansy R. Thank you. Craig, Gahau. Thank you. Thanks to Eduardo as well. Anybody else? Matt. Matt. Shout out. All right. Next, next month we're, it's going to be a comedy month. Netflix is a joke. We're doing a bunch of comedies in May. So stay tuned. Thanks guys. No problem.