TONY GOLDWYN AND ANNA MUSKY-GOLDWYN Toured Iceland Together

Hey, Pajif. Hey, Sufi. How are you, buddy? I'm great. I'm glad to hear it. Yeah, we got some dog stuff going on. What do you got? Yeah, well, we got an old dog, our old girl Debbie is 15 and she's got some like kidney troubles. Although we seem to have like a better handle on it now. She seems to be better, but we have to give her fluids every morning and evening which is like an injection, like a subcutaneous fluid thing. So we've got like a bag of fluids and you gotta pinch the skin on the back of her neck. And I haven't done it yet, Mackenzie's done it. She's so, you know, she's an equestrian. So she's done things like this, but I clearly need to learn how to do it because what if she's away at a horse show or what if she just goes away for a night? So that's on our to-do list, but Debbie does seem to be doing well and it's, that's good. Yes, it seemed like it was very touch and go a few weeks ago and I know how important Debbie is to the family. So I was glad when I went out there that I got to see her. Yeah, so that, you know. How long do you have to do fluids? It takes about like six to eight minutes once the needle's in. But then how many do you do it for weeks? We don't know. Yeah, we don't know. It could be that. How does Debbie react during her needle thing? She's not into it. Which is a bummer because you feel bad. And right now like Mackenzie sort of sits behind her like they're on a toboggan and I sit in front of her and hold her front legs. And she gets these like little shakes, like with every exhale and for your little girl to sort of shake with being uncomfortable for that long. And then she gets like this weird lump, like we call it like a neck boob that she sort of gets because all the fluids need like they go somewhere. And over the course of the day, they're absorbed. But when we take the needle out and she jumps off the couch, which she always does, like she goes down her little stairs, but she's always got this big sort of like camel hump on her neck. And it's kind of funny. For any first time listeners, welcome to Dog Elements. It was what we got going on over here. I know I'm just saying like there was, if there was, I mean, I find it unlikely, but it would be very funny. Someone's like, the fuck is, honey check, what did you hit play on? Oh yeah. Hey, you did say toboggan. Yeah. Oh yeah. Years ago, you bought us a toboggan. Yeah. An LLB and toboggan, I believe. And we have a little sledding hill and we tried it. It was kind of even before like the kids were full sledders. It was, you were becoming a family and I was like, well, we're becoming a toboggan. A family should have a toboggan. A New England family should have a toboggan with which to go down hills. So we never quite got the full toboggan experience in the way you think a toboggan's supposed to work. And then lo and behold, a couple of weeks ago, it had like a big snow and it was like day three of kids sledding on this hill. So the snow was really tamped down. And I think that's what a toboggan needs. You can't put it on, on sort of a fresh snow. Yeah. It needs to have kind of the slickness to it. Yeah. And we loaded five kids, Addy up front, Ash is the anchor, cousin, friend, and they shot down this mountain and it was so rewarding because they were just laughing so hard and just remembering that feeling of like, how you sit on a toboggan, somebody's holding your legs, you're holding the legs of the person behind you and they just had a blast. Yeah. I saw a video where they're laughing so much. And it's just great. Yeah. Yeah. I would say like 25 nonstop seconds of laughter. And then you make the kids drag the toboggan back to the top of the hill. Yeah. No, it's like 25 minutes of laughter and then just like 35 minutes of bitching. 25 seconds of laughter. 25 seconds of laughter. Yeah. Yeah. A toboggan, it's a unique sled. It's a great sled. It's a classic for a reason. I've also thought, and this year I bought them one of those inflatable tubes, which are better for like jumps. Yeah. And I certainly saw sort of from the videos that there's, you guys have built a nice jump, but it also causes a lot of those wrecks. Like you can, Yeah. You can hit, if you are launched into the air and you come down on a tube, you have another bounce coming unless you're holding on. And I saw one of your kids just get, yeah, smacked on the ground. It was Axl. Yeah. It was Axl. I mean, Ash's full caution and Axl is full, you know, yeah. He helps us throw caution to the wind. Yeah. He doesn't watch your caution. I don't know if I told you that Ash had a fall on the ski mountain. Oh yeah? When I wasn't there, it was on his like a school trip. And he told us on the phone that he like went off the side of a cliff and we're like, all right, you know what I mean? Cause like he's telling us. So you're like, no, you didn't. And then like nine parents are like, he went off the side of a cliff. I don't know. And like one dad was like, I saw it from, I think it was that thing where like you're skiing and it was a little icy and he needed to turn and he was leaning too far back, almost like his butt got on the back of his ski. You know what I mean? And then he just like couldn't, he was incapable of stopping. So he went over like a ledge, but a dad said he had watched it from the lift. And he was like, he didn't know it was Ash. He was like, I was like, oh no. Yeah. Ash was totally fine. But isn't it crazy that we just, we were not wearing helmets as kids. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, it is the craziest thing how late developing it was that someone was like, hey, why aren't you guys wearing helmets? The, I was skiing for my birthday and was last day, I'm walking back to my car, which is parked very close to a lift. And you just have to walk along the road a little bit. And I was walking up the road, the sort of the main lodge was uphill from where I was. Parked. And it's a little bit icy on the road. So I've got, you know, my ski boots on and I got my skis over my shoulder and my poles and I'm walking and it's like end of the day. And there was a car driving down towards me and I step on the ice and I slip and like totally look like a marionette. And I catch myself and these two 20-somethings in this car who were driving past me, both of their mouths were a gape watching me just sort of like totally about to biff it. And when I caught myself and didn't fall, they both celebrated so much. That's awesome. They were like, yeah. I was like, yeah. But I'm sure I told Mackenzie about it. And you know that the life is good sort of art. There's like, they have t-shirt shops everywhere. And I don't think I can do it. It's like a stick figure. I hate it. Like, no, I was gonna say no disrespect to the artist, but it's hard to say that after you say how much you hate it. Yeah, I think it's, you've kind of been a jam there. Yeah, I'm in a jam there. But I hate it. And Mackenzie always says that the life is good guy that I remind her of that guy, which is sort of a strange self-own. And when I told her about almost falling with the ski, she's like, oh my God, you must have been so life is good in that moment. But I love that it was a moment of celebration for those guys to just, it was either, it was gonna be awful. It was gonna be one of those like, oh, moments that your dad friend saw when Ash went on. If I'm looking at the right life is good guy, I get why she says that kind of reminds you. It's gotta be, no one. So you do think maybe you're like, that guy's like, I don't know, jacking your vibe? I don't know, I don't know. I mean, maybe, yeah, I don't know. He could be jacking my vibe. It's like a classic Austin powers like, he stole your mojo? Yeah. Get in my belly. Yeah, so. Super. I'm a fat bastard. Got in my belly. Oh, I was, I don't remember that so much. I just remember Ludacris saying that line. Yeah. When does Ludacris say get in my belly? When he's got that Austin powers song. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah, he's quoting it, but I had forgotten. He's quoting fat bastard. Yeah. I will say, I feel like I watched, I think it's the second, whatever one, whichever Austin powers fat bastards then, I think it's Austin powers too. At the end, he goes on a long speech, like we use like very sincere. And it's maybe one of the hardest I've ever laughed in a movie theater. Oh yeah, those are movies. I will say those movies I've only seen once and yeah, they are due for another watch. Those are the kind of things that, you know, one of my favorite things to do in Los Angeles in the summer is there's movies at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, this organization called Sinus Pia puts on. And I feel like seeing one of the Austin powers there would be, that's one of my desires for this next summer. Sometimes they take requests and I'll put that out. There's a bummer thing where like you were like trying to figure out the best time to show your kids a movie and then like somebody else does it. Like they're like over at a friend's house and like they, it was too early. Like Ash, somebody showed Ash and he's like, I mean that whole movie is like horny, everything's horny. And I'm like, he's too early for, do you enjoy that? Yeah, I like that he's mad at horny. He's just like, get your hormones in order. And I'm like, just you way, buddy. Yeah, they're coming. They're coming for you, bro. You're gonna put Austin powers to shame. Let's hope not. Let's hope not. Hey, this is wonderful. We have a couple of family members who have a podcast of their own. Yeah, Tony Goldman and Anna Muskie Goldman. They're a father-daughter. They have a new podcast that interviews people who are in the same profession as their parents. Far from the trees. Far from the tree. And I just wanna use this opportunity, Posh, to say, did you ever, because I think the answer is no. And I say this is someone who has a great deal of respect for dad. It's isn't it fascinating that at no point we're either of us like, I wanna do what that guy does. Yeah, no, I would have been, I think both of us would have been much more likely to be teachers like mom than we would have been to work sort of in the financial. I mean, the main reason I never wanted to do what dad does is I still don't understand what it is. I think also like neither of us had the math. At some level, you would need to take a bunch of math classes. I also think, you know, he's like, but I think dad's in business and it's really good to like, you'd have to like not take no for an answer. And I feel like you and I are excellent at taking no for an answer. Yeah, we're like, okay. Yeah, I sometimes like, I'm sometimes so good at taking no for an answer when people say, yes, I'm like, well, I think I know what you really mean. I will be on my way. So yeah. Hey, by the way, I'm gonna just shout it out because what we talk about like, you know, dad's retired Delta dogs. Oh yeah. You know, we should probably remind people more. It's a great organization that our dad has involved himself with post retirement. It matches rescue dogs with vets who are suffering from PTSD and I certainly didn't know anything about it until dad got involved and they're doing great work. Yeah. So it's operationdeltadog.org. Yeah. And if you donate, there's a great chance that our dad will give you a call. Be like, hey, could you do a little more? Yeah. Could you do a little more this year? Or not even to talk about operationdeltadog just to like chit chat. Cause he down for that. Yeah. He down to chit chat. Yeah. He loves chit chat. And if you have a kind of a puzzle that he hasn't encountered then he wants to know all about that. Oh, he'd love to hear about a new puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, and just I'm starting a charity called operation chit chat where I'm trying to match people that aren't our mom to our dad for the purposes of chit chat. We're trying to find it. Like all you have to be is not our mom. And then we will match you with our dad and for the purposes of chit chat. So please operationchitchat.org. All you need is cell service and a minimum of 25 minutes. All right. I think we've burned Yari enough. Please enjoy our next guest, Tony and Anna. Family chips with the most brothers. Here we go. Hi. Hello. Here we go. How are you? Both. It's a real city hawk in situation. Yeah. This is very, by the way, I'm so excited to talk to you guys as you're about to embark on a family podcast together because we have so much to tell you. Yeah. Basically the most stress in your life that you're going to have moving forward in your relationship is scheduling. I feel like that's already happening. Yeah. One of you will get busy and the other one will just see. Also the amount that you're like, come on one hour a week, how hard could it be? You cannot believe how hard it is to find one hour a week that you're both available. Oh yeah. I know it's true. Not to mention two other people who were trying to schedule. Right. Well, that's the thing too, right? You made the problem where you need to have two guests at once. Yes. But you guys are still here, so that gives us a say. We're still here and we do love it. I don't know how often do you guys, because Josh is West Coast and I'm East Coast. So outside of the podcast, we really don't see each other that often, but you guys are probably, do you see each other with regularity? I'm West Coast and my dad's is so very similar. Okay, great. So I do think it's a very modern way to stay connected with loved ones is to host a podcast with them. That's right. It's kind of true. I feel like we do this and we take French lessons together. Do you sometimes take French lessons together? We do. When did that start? During COVID? During COVID, yeah. I mean, we sort of, partly because she's, I don't know, having adult kids is an interesting thing because we stay very bonded, but I realized especially because everywhere else in their life that we kind of look for things to do together so that every week at least we're doing something. Like with Anna's sister tests, we like to yoga once a week. Sometimes online, sometimes together. So, and Anna and I do French and now we have a podcast. So if you started in COVID, how good is your French right now? I feel like mine is, I spoke French, I've spoken French for a longer than my dad. So I feel like mine's pretty good. Right, okay, got you. But we survived together. Have you taken it on the road? Have you gone to a French speaking nation since you started this? I just went on my honeymoon to France. Congratulations. Thank you. And so I was able to impress my husband, which felt really good. Yeah. Were you able to impress French people? Honestly, I was, except obviously in Paris where they're never impressed about anything, but we did a bike trip in the south of France and everyone there who's friendly was like, oh, you speak French so well and it made me feel so good. So, mission accomplished, how do you even worth it? Yeah, I find it, we were in Paris a couple of years ago or last year or something. And in Paris, they just speak English back at you. Yeah. So you start to practice your French and they, but when you ask them, please can I work on it? Then they're pretty, pretty cool about it. When you back then. It is that way. We used to live in Amsterdam and Dutch people are the same way, even when you tried. And I think they were basically saying like, we don't want to hear it spoken badly. Dutch sounds really hard too. Yeah, I mean, my Dutch is better than Seth's Dutch, but it feels, it almost feels like you're speaking English just in a different way. A lot of the words sort of make sense in a way that I feel like the more romantic languages don't. But I used to always say, which nobody liked over there, I was like, oh, it's like stupid English. And they always took a fact. It feels like it wouldn't go over well. So if you're doing, if you're taking French classes together, you're just on Zoom, it's the two of you and a teacher. And a French woman. Who also, by the way, teaches French to many members of our family, which is also a funny thing. So she knows all of our family gossip. Yeah, she does. Yeah, I started with my brother, John and his daughter, Emily. And Emily like started wanting to learn French at 10 years old and got absolutely fluent. And then they decided to do it together as a, you know, as a similar to us really. And then they got really into it. And my brother said, you got to meet this woman. And I said, wow, that sounds like something Anna and I would like to do. So yeah. And then my sister and yeah, she's Valerie Dobres is becoming a member of our family. I want to believe that her name is different. She changed it to that because she knew she would get so many more clients. It was like Pamela Jones. She's like, I'm not gonna give it a word. So you guys, you grew up in LA, correct Anna? No, I grew up in Connecticut. Oh, have you managed to be East Coast this whole time, Tony? So I, or he, my dad has, yeah, I left. I was like, I'm ready to go to LA. Yeah, and then I came East. I just always wanted to live in New York. So, and wanted to be an actor. You know, this was where I wanted to figure out if I could make that happen. And then, yeah, Jane, my wife, who also works in our business who's a production designer, we both wanted to raise our kids kind of away from Hollywood and love these coasts. She's from the East Coast, but we couldn't keep Anna away from LA. Yeah, it happens. I like by the way that because I met your brother first and he lives in LA, I just assumed you lived in LA despite the fact that my brother lives in LA and I live in LA. Look, I literally couldn't process that. Yeah. So you had a Connecticut upbringing and what's the gap between you and your sister Tess? We're five years. So it was that thing where I feel like we hated each other for a really long time. It's hard. Five is hard. Yeah. How far apart are you guys? Two. Okay. Also boys. That feels like you're just friends all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Tess and I really, I mean, my dad maybe can speak to this more objectively, but I always felt like I didn't want her to be around. She was always mad at me for something. And then I think it was like when I went to college, you know, once there was 3000 miles between us, we were like, oh, we can be friends now. Yeah. So yeah. I guess at five you might, I mean, you probably aren't processing it, but as a kid you might think like, I might be an only child. I think we're almost out of the woods here. Probably. Did I act like that dad? Yeah. No, you were super excited about the idea of a little sister until she arrived. Total buyers or Mars? Bringing you into the hospital room to see and you were like, wait a minute, how long is this, how long is she gonna stick around? Yeah. You know, it's funny as a parent, it caused me great, almost grief. I had this, my brother, John and I are very close, but also went through, we're two years apart, like you guys, but went through periods when we were younger where we kind of, you know, had growing pains. But I always had this fantasy about my kids would be great friends. So as they were heading approaching adulthood and they just weren't totally different people, it was made me so sad and I just had to go, well, they just have to be who they are and it's not my job, but what's happened now, I think as adults, you guys have become good friends and it's nice, it's beautiful to see. Still very different though, but different in a good way. Totally different. Yeah. Yeah. We're very different, but we present identical. Yeah, we're very strange. We're like talking exactly the same, but the weird thing is we have so many friends that we overlap with, like our closest friends or each other's close friends. And so like, I think it's very funny to them when people are like, God, there's so much alike. They're like, no. Oh, that's interesting. Tass, and I don't, we don't share many friends, I guess, because of our ages. We have like a group of friends that we kind of grew up with who are siblings, but we like, we're friends with the siblings, right? But I feel like we've not had many friends where we're mutually friends with them. But she was invited to your wedding though, right? She was, yes, she was my maid of honor. She gave me an amazing speech about how much she loved me. It was, yeah. Where did you get married? We got married in Santa Barbara. Oh, fantastic. Was that stressful, Tony? For you as a father? No, it was great. You know, planning weddings, there's some stress involved, but as I mentioned, Jane, my wife, Anna's mom is a film production designer. So she's produced many huge movie weddings. And I said to Anna, I was like, if you give mom two weeks and just deal with the stress, it'll be all done and you'll be four months out from your wedding and everything's done. Four months, it was like eight months. It was like eight months, Jane just had it all handled. So it was, as weddings go, it was quite stress-free once we were approaching it. And actually the wedding was so fun. It was beautiful, we had a great time. It's so funny to think if you have production designed a wedding and actual wedding is so much nicer because it's like you're not like about to go into overtime. It's not like we need to make the day. Yeah, so the other part is that then, I was so funny because I mean, our wedding was incredible and it looked beautiful. And I'm so grateful for everything that my mom did. But I did have to keep reminding her like, yes, but then once the set is there, like it has to function as an event. Like there's not an AD being like, okay, now background, you know, it's like, we do have to make sure that people can get to the bathrooms and like that all that has to flow. And so it was kind of a funny thing of like, it is like doing a movie, but then it's actually real life. And then one of the stress, I would say one of the only stressful things that I sensed from you was in the day or two leading up to the wedding. Anna kept kind of craving like to have her family all around her. Oh yeah. But Jane's happy place really is to be with her crew on a set. So she's like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that, but I'm gonna go meet them at eight o'clock. Can you please come back to help me put on my dress? She wouldn't help you put on your dress. I was like, I'll be there to help you do your hair and your dress. That's great. She's kind of, it was fun to see her like, you know. She's like, I don't be mad. I do want to have a walkie-talkie. Yeah, honestly, she would have loved it. I mean, walkie-talkie is, it's an excellent tool. It's the right tool for the job a lot of the time. This is cool, you know. Yeah. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Apple Card is designed with your iPhone in mind, making it easy to get started and even easier to use. Apple Card is a no-fee credit card you can apply for right from the Wallet app on your iPhone. Apple Card has no annual fee, no late fees, and no foreign transaction fees, no fees, period. Every credit card should be this easy. Get started in the Wallet app today. Variable APRs for Apple Card range from 17.49% to 27.74% based on credit worthiness. Rates as of January 1, 2026. Existing customers can view their variable APR in the Wallet app or at card.apple.com. Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank, USA's Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. Here we go. So you, when you had your two daughters, Tony, and you guys were both in the business, did you sort of have, do you feel like you had the sort of stable life where you could take normal vacations with your kid, or were you sort of trying to figure it out in the middle of this crazy business with all its highs and lows? Yeah, well with us, what it really was, was we had limited amount of time when we knew we would all have time for a vacation. So we were lucky enough to get a summer home in a coastal place where we could all kind of, where the kids could spend their summers, which felt like our vacations outside of New York City. So that was great. But in terms of vacations, really the week between Christmas and New Year's, which is singularly the worst time to travel in the human existence. But every year that was the only time we did it. So we would plan while they were young, and we'd plan our family vacations. It took us a lot of years to discover that the best solution to family vacation is to go somewhere with no plan and let everyone do whatever the hell they wanna do. The best vacation we ever took was when we just all basically did our own thing the whole time. And then we were coming to eat dinner together. We went to Hawaii. Hawaii. Yeah. We were in a house, and they were grown up and stuff, but we had such a good time because there was no prayer. Because when you have family vacation with kids, there's just this constant, I mean, we laugh about it. It makes for good family comedy, but there's just, you know, or having to organize. I mean, there was the trip we took. Also when they were college age, I guess, to Iceland, where I had decided we needed to take like a proper real trip to do something. Because when they were young, we would maybe just drive to New Hampshire or Vermont or, you know, like someplace simple. And I was like, no, we're gonna do a proper thing. And so I planned a trip. I wanted to go to Argentina and Patagonia. And so I planned this whole trip to go to Buenos Aires and Patagonia and this logical hiking for four days and come back to Santiago, Chile and fly back. I had it all worked out. It was all planned and I just said, Jane, let me handle it. And I called Jane because I was working in LA and she was working here. And she said, what did you plan? And I tell her and she said, Tony, how far away is this? Like how long are the flights? I'm like, well, it's not that. I mean, the first flight is like, I think 21 hours to get to Buenos Aires. And then it's five hours to Patagonia. And then, you know, another three hours to, and then a 26 hour flight. I don't know when it was back. She said, and how much time do we have for the trip? I said, well, we have five, I think maybe six days. She said, that's insane. We're not doing that. So she said, why don't we go to Iceland, which is five hours from New York. It's exotic. So I canceled my Labyrinth Leap Land trip and we went to Iceland, which was awesome. Except in the wintertime, you have like six hours of daylight. Yeah, we did that. So we decided we would have a guide to help us. So we made sure we saw what we needed to see. And this was the worst idea. A guide was recommended, and this was his name, Jan. He was very nice. Jón was very nice and very knowledgeable, but he would show up at 10 in the morning and he would have every second programmed. And he was in your face talking the entire time and sweet Jón by the end of the six days we wanted to kill. Oh yeah, I liked him. I love a guide. I don't love a guide for multiple days. It's too much pressure. It's hard though in Iceland, because everything is so, like where you wanna go is so far away. And I feel like he was a little bit annoying because he talked so much, but he also took us to like these weird places. Like we went to a tomato farm, like a greenhouse tomato farm, where they did all that, what's it called when they grow vertically on the, like in the little planters, hydro, yeah, hydro, whatever it's called. And it was this like insane thing in the middle of nowhere in Iceland. And we went to this like greenhouse tomato farm and ate like tomato ice cream. I don't know. It was weird stuff like that, that we would have never done on our own. The coolest thing about that trip I thought was, we had some mutual friends of ours who work in the theater and you know, had worked with this amazing theater company in Reykjavik and they said, oh please come and hang out with us. And this couple of owns this amazing theater invited us to their New Year's Eve party. And in Reykjavik, have you ever spent New Year's in Reykjavik or heard about it? We have together. Is it crazy the fireworks? It's the best. It's same. Yeah. They buy like boxes of rockets. Yeah. And at 11 p.m. they start going off all over and it continues for like three or four hours. So that was a trip. And we were drinking vodka. It is that 360 fireworks where you're just surrounded by fireworks. But doesn't it mean people are gonna die? Yeah. Children are gonna be burned alive. Yeah. There's a church in the center of town that's on top of a hill and we were at that church. And you're right. Like people would have boxes that essentially you would light one fuse and then that would sort of go through a progression that would light things off. But you'd be standing like on the sidewalk and someone would light one of these boxes and push it towards you and everyone would sort of scatter. And then that box would go off for, I don't know, six, seven minutes and then there'd be more going off. Also when we were there, it was snowing and raining at the same time. And it felt like the gods were fighting the humans. But in a joyous sort of display of, yeah. I do feel like there are also children setting off the fireworks. I remember at the party we were at, there was like a 10 year old that just like ran out onto the lawn with what looked like a nuclear weapon and like put it by the water and then just set it off. And I was like, okay, this is not, well, this is not LA, I guess, this is maybe other parts. It is so funny, because like so much of Iceland is like, oh my God, this is like, there's everything here I've never seen before. Like every rock formation is unique to this place. And then like that night I'm like, also it's a little bit like Florida. Yeah. You don't need to play. Exactly. Did you, it is funny like, did, Yohan, I'm gonna say his name wrong, but did you only have to deal with him during like the five daylight hours? Or was he like also with you? Because that at least was- No, no, no, no, no. We made sure that, no, he would pick us up, he'd be waiting for us. He wasn't eating dinner with us. Because it didn't get light until 10 a.m. It was like great light, right? And so he'd be waiting outside in the car and then we'd pile in and then we'd be with him until what time like, kind of four or five o'clock is then it was dark. I feel like three o'clock. Three o'clock is dark. And then it would be dinner at like five. Yeah. And we packed a lot in, we saw amazing things, but it was like, I mean, we went, did all the things you brought, you know, snowmobiling on glaciers and hiking on glaciers and seeing waterfalls and- Did you ride on those stupid horses that- Rode on the stupid horses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Josh really loved the stupid horses, but- No, no, no, we went on maybe the worst ever, like- We had a bad horse guy. The worst horse? No, we were just on a street. Yeah, we thought we were gonna go. We got the opposite. We went back and forth on a street. Yeah. Oh, we went on, you did like when- Like on pavement? Yeah. Yeah. We like went to this beautiful barn and we got in these horses and we thought we'd like go up into the hills and whatnot. And we just literally like went down the block and back on these. And my wife is an equestrian. My wife's a professional equestrian and they had given like this poor woman in the group like a terrible horse. And my wife was like, get off, like switch with me. I'll deal with this horse because she can. And so not only like, she was just muscling this horse around the whole time and trying to- Oh my God. And then the rest of us were just like, just walking. You never even- Just down the block. It was a real bad. See, dad, thank God we had yon. And they're little too. They're like ponies. So, we actually went to a farm. It was pretty weird farm. And it was beautiful kind of a vista and went on a sort of a trail ride. So that was- I will say I had the best fish and chips in my life in Reykjavik. The food was amazing. Your food was amazing. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Great deal. We also, do you feel, I have a quick question to everybody here. Do you feel with guides? I sometimes feel like as a performer, I am desperate to make the guide feel as though they're doing a good job performing to us. And so like, I pretend to be more, I like, I like, we're paying them to show us a country. And in the end, I'm like, I feel like I've done a shift. 100%. My dad 100%. It's exhausting. 100% and my wife is the opposite. Yeah. Stop talking. Like, okay, we got it. Right? You and, cause my sister's also an actor and I do feel like you and Tess are both, like it's like you have so much empathy for this person trying to like put on a show basically, that your level of interest like skyrockets for every word. Like you're hanging on there every word. Yeah. I really think if Alexi, my wife had like a note for me on vacations, it would be have less empathy. Amen. This is our vacation, stop it. But it is that like performers anxiety. Like if I feel like somebody's bombing, even as a tour guide, I'm like, just like show there for them in a way that is not. Makes their day, I'm sure. Yeah. We had a great, I've talked about this, but my father-in-law is just one of those people who knows everything about everything. And like just will, I can't, my joke about him is he knows everything and he can't make any of it interesting for me. And then it has my two boys are just fascinated by him. Cause like, you know, like they go out with him and he like just points out everything. And I'm like, oh my God, it's finally happened. Like they're the audience he's been waiting for. And you know, they're hanging on every word and I can like extract myself from the interaction. And that's like- Oh, that just makes me want to have grandkids so bad. Oh, so bad. Relax. I realized as a dad, where you're like, I'm like, oh right, it's people being interested in use must skip a generation. That's probably true. You know, speaking of guides, I have to say, when you get a really good guide who is chill, it's kind of an amazing, like Anna and I had a, another kind of family trip. We took a trip, Anna liked to surf. She's a far superior surfer to me and I'm an inferior surfer, but we like doing it together. And we decided to take a surf trip to Indonesia. And we went to the first up was Bali. And so I kind of arranged someone to surf coach this kid to help us because we didn't know where to go. And this, he was like 25 years old, right? I think he was like 21. And he was literally just gonna, supposed to give us like, you know, meet us in the mornings for an hour or two for surf, to surf with us and surf lessons. And he was this coolest kid and he was this Balian kid, Balinese kid, excuse me. And he goes, you know, if you, what are you guys doing in the afternoon? You know, if you want, I can show you around him. And I grew up here, I know everything. And if you, if you want me to, I can show you around. And we were like, yeah, you know, we'd love that. And he almost like said, would have done it for free, but we instead of paying him. And he ended up taking us every day for a few days till like, did we meet his family? He took us all to the island. He took us, he wanted to take us to this Balinese temple. And we said, great. He said, you know, no, no one's allowed in this beautiful ancient temple unless you're a worshiper. So I'm gonna bring, you know, you have to bring some stuff for you to wear. And we got, we get there at this temple and he has the full outfits. I had to wear a skirt and a headdress. And we went in and like went into these baths and prayed in these baths, remember? And he took us to meet this. He went to like an or, or was it an orphanage? Or it was like a school, a school. And we ate lunch with these kids, like up in this mountain village. And we like danced with them. It was amazing. His name was Koyo. Koyo, right. And it was, I think it was like Bali Adventures was his thing. It was like a very simple name, but you people should look him up. He was amazing. Yeah. It was great. We had our one guide that we had in Iceland took us to this sort of river that had a sort of geothermal spot where it was, you know, snowy and freezing, but there was a place you could get in. And then our guide just got full naked and we got to totally just hang out with him. Yeah. I hope there weren't children there. There weren't children. It was just Seth, me and then our two girlfriends, now wives at the time and this dude and with his wiener out. So. And I've always felt good that they both, both of our future wives saw that and then still stuck with us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They saw what else was out there. You made me feel too good about his performance. Yeah. It was also, my memory of the, when he got dressed is that he literally did everything and then pants last. Yeah. I think that's right. There was no, he was not, there was no, yeah, well, not shame, but he was not shy at all. I do feel like people in Iceland are very open. I mean, Yoan was very open about his life with us. He was. Yeah. Well, and also we experienced that exact same thing. Anna and I and her husband, Billy and I went skiing a couple of years ago and up in Mammoth and there were these hot springs in Mammoth, California. And Anna and I were going to take our dogs and go swimming in the hot springs. And so we go in and there are lots of people in this stream and there are these pools. And so the pool below were the one we were sitting in was a collection of Chinese women of all ages from like young to very old. And they were completely covered from head to toe. You could not see barely any skin. And they were in the pool and talking, talking, talking. And Anna and I are the pool upstream of them with her dogs hanging out. And this man, how old was he? He must have been 75 years old. Yeah, in the south of the South. Or closing on 80. This man comes to the pool just above us and does the same thing, takes off all of his clothes and was sort of walking around, I would say displaying, Akira's very proud of himself and his level of fitness and all that. And he gets in the, and he's washing himself. It was quite, it was quite athletic what he was doing. So it's like, we're like, okay, well, this is my daughter. And then these women were like looking at him and I can't, did they react in or were they? No, but then there was a group that came with children. Or with small children. And I was like, what is the guy gonna do? Because there was a family that arrived with a bunch of kids and it was not immediate, but I think once the kids kind of like unpacked and were getting in the pool, he did get dressed. But it was not like, oh my God, I better get dressed now there's children. But you know what, honestly, power to those people. Oh good, yeah. I had the famous, one of mine was I was in a pool with my middle son Axel. And these three, like I would say somewhere between 60 and 70 year old French women got into the pool we were on vacation. And they were all like all wearing like so much jewelry and like big sunglasses. And they walked into the pool and my son very loudly went, look data, three witches. Just fucking best. Just the best. I know you're gonna say they took their tops off because they were watching and then your son got a preview. Yeah, he's got a thing for witches. Yeah, he loves witches. He's always had this thing for witches. Yeah. Now, Tony, you grew up, you know, you guys are sort of from a famous film family and it seems like every generation you protect your kids from sort of Hollywood and then it doesn't take it all and you just sort of fall into a Hollywood lifestyle. But what were your vacations growing up? Did you guys, your parents split when you were pretty young? Yeah. Yeah, our vacations were honestly pretty simple. My dad had a paranoia of raising Hollywood Bratz and my mom too. So he was kind of obsessed with normalcy and he had grown up, you know, his father, Sam Goldwyn Sr. was, you know, like in the red hot center of the golden age of Hollywood. And my dad was kind of grew up in the middle of all that and he did not want his kids to have that experience, I think. So we would like, what we would do for vacation is he loved, you know, grew up in LA, he loved La Jolla, you know, just north of San Diego, this beautiful beach place. And we would go to a motel I remember it was called the La Jolla Inn and it was a real low key motel and we'd spend the week in the motel and by the pool and then go into the beach in Suffolk. It was a very kind of middle class kind of thing. It wasn't fancy and we just loved it, you know? So that was the routine vacation. I honestly, we never took fancy trips. I remember the one time I was in the hotel the one fancy trip that was gonna happen, I got banned from. I was, I think I was, maybe I was like 14 or 15 and I got caught smoking pot and they had my dad had planned for spring break, a trip to Cabo San Lucas to go fishing. And at that time, Cabo was like a very little sleepy village, nothing like it is now. And I was grounded, I couldn't leave, I was in trouble. So my brother, John and my dad, my son, they all had this amazing fishing trip and I stayed home. But I remembered thinking, oh my God, to go to Mexico, that's on, it's so exotic. So yeah, but those were kind of standard routine. I'm very impressed because I'm worried I'm not gonna actually have the wherewithal to like follow through with consequences like that. Like to actually say to a kid, like you are banned from a trip. Cause that is like you as a parent are like costing yourself something as well, right? Like it's a sacrifice. Were you the kind of parent over you and your wife, the kind of parents that could actually like have consequences for your children? And Anna, if you wanna answer, I turn it over to you too. I feel like my dad not so good with consequences. Although I do feel like whenever my dad would get mad, it was scary because he didn't get mad very often. My mom is much tougher and I also feel like as like, I don't know, I think that she would always kind of make you realize that like you were paying for what you did. And she was like, she would make you feel bad for what you did and that was kind of the consequence. I don't think that, I don't know, Tess and I didn't do a lot of bad stuff. You guys were good, you guys were pretty well. I got in a lot of trouble. Oh my God, I was so grateful. I got in a lot of trouble once when I was in high school, but again, like I got, my mom had to pick me from a party where the police came kind of a thing. And like just seeing my mom's face walking into that house was like consequence enough. You know, I like never did anything bad again. Well, I had a thing also she would call me. Like if I was away working, and rather than deal with her mother, you would have a bad thing and call me and go, and somehow you thought that that would, I don't know, bypass mom. Yeah, I just knew there was a medium step maybe to be had. I don't know, but we never did anything that was like you can't come along with this. And I also feel like there was sometimes where I would be like, well, I don't want to come, but then the moment the car starts going, you're like, wait, I do want to go on this walk or whatever. But I don't know, is there any time you remember that like Tess or I did something? No, with you with Tess, the one parental story like that with Anna's little sister was her sweet 16. When she turned 16, she had planned, told me what she wanted to do was go to a concert in New York City and we lived in Connecticut like an hour outside of the city. So I got tickets to terminal five. I forgot who it was, but it was some group of artists playing. And I was in LA finishing a job and I flew home to be there in time to take them to the thing. And I landed JFK race home to Connecticut, literally got out of the car, going to the house and these five girls, like 14 and 15 years old dressed like they were, you know, I mean, so sexual. I was like, whoa. And they're like, hi, Mr. Goldwyn. And I'm like, okay. And they didn't say anything, full on makeup and short skirts and tight blouses. And they get in the car and the plan was for me to drive them in, get them into the concert. And another dad was going to pick them up and take them on the train home. And they were going to have like a sleepover or something. And so we get in the car and we go and they're all having fun in the backseat and we arrive at the terminal five and I parked the car and I say, okay, you guys wait here. I'm going to go and get the tickets. And they're waiting by security. There was a line for security and an enormous female security guard checking people's bags. And I go and get the tickets that I had arranged at the box office. And I go and get the tickets and I turn around and this big security guard comes over and she says to me, are you their father? Because I am not letting those girls can't come into this, you know, into the concert. I was like, uh-oh, what happened? And I walk over to them and they're crying. I see three of the girls have already gone, you know, gotten past this woman and Tess and her friend were not. It turned out they had like Poland spring water bottles with vodka in them. And they'd been of course drinking the entire time in the car, which I was oblivious to. And the security guard had made them throw out their water bottles as they came in. And all the other girls did that except Tess and her friend decided they didn't want to waste the vodka. So they chug it in front of the security guard. And the security guard says, what is in your water bottle? Tess's friend throws it away and says, it's just water. And Tess goes, it's vodka and hands it to me. So I'm there going, oh, what do I do now? Like this is a tough parenting moment. Like they're drinking. And I was like, I got a, I suddenly had a flash to myself at 15 years old getting away with everything. And I was a really, I was a wild kid. And I did not want my, so I thought, okay, I have to be a hard ass here. And I said, wow, you guys really blew it. And I made them all come back. And I said, it wasn't just Tess. Obviously we're all doing this. And they all gathered crying. And I said, you guys had a chance at a really great thing, but you blew it. Like what, and I also knew that if I let them go in and one of the other parents found out that they were drinking and I didn't do anything about it, that could be bad. So basically- That does help to peer pressure, even as an adult. Potential jail time. So anyway, I made them all get back in the car, sold the tickets to some guy and drove back in silence. And it was, I feel like that was my hardest parenting moment. That's hard. It was really hard for me to be a hard ass. And that's a long drive home. It was a long drive home. And I made all the girls call their parents and tell them what was going on. And they had to go home. And yeah, so, and the next morning Tess and I went for a run and she said, you know, Dad, I think I'm just the kind of kid who gets caught. And I secretly said to myself, yes. That was the answer. So, yeah. Anyway, I still kind of regret it, but- Yeah, I mean, her biggest mistake was saying vodka. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you're like, they want you to tell that, they say like, tell the truth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, ultimately you're like, honey, you caught yourself. Yeah. Like, would you, do you, looking back, were you like, God, all those kids were laughing at my jokes on the drive down and then you were like, oh, they were all inebriated. Exactly. You're like driving, you're like, hey, I'm doing pretty good tonight. Doing pretty good. Oh. Oh my God. Oh. Ooh. Kitty. A great story like Monsters Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Class is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award-winning hit series, Rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television. To the unmissable crime drama, High Potential. Gotta dead body, gotta go. A lifetime of great stories awaits. This spring on Disney Plus, 18 plus subscription required, T's and C's apply. Here we go. Well, you talked about going skiing, were you a ski trip family growing up on the East Coast? Very much, yeah. Would you do weekends? That was another, that was our most regular trip, I would say. We found this beautiful little village in Southern Vermont which wasn't fancy, but like just super picturesque. And we'd rent a house there every Christmas. Basically it was our main one as kids. And you guys loved it. It was simple and we always have New Year's Eve. Then it was like it became a ritual. And I would dance on New Year's Eve. You really, they would have like this local, it was through a corny local Vermont band that they would play and they have this New Year's party in a barn and the kids loved it. And it's where you made me teach her to swing dance. And at her wedding, what you wanted to do for the father daughter dance was to swing dance. So we did that. Did you already know how to swing dance, Tony? I kind of learned in college. It was very good at that. I went to this college and I mean, I was like to dance and went to this college in upstate New York. And it was like a thing in the early 80s. I don't know, like maybe it was a preppy. I didn't grow up on these coasts, but I think it was felt like a prep school or some kids knew how to do that. So I learned, it was fun. I'm just glad we finally found something that maybe you're better than Anna. Cause like French and surfing. But like, you can see in ballroom dancing, do you're dead? For sure at my wedding, I was like, I feel like when I watched the video of it, I'm like, oh my God, I'm really not doing a great job of following, but. You were in like a dress that had a train. Yeah. Not felt for bar and dancing. I had so much adrenaline. I feel like I probably wanted to just like run through a wall. But yeah, I know you, he's very, he's very good at dancing. And those, it was so fun. Like as a kid, I remember because my mom would always want to go to sleep and Tess was really young. And so she was asleep. And I feel like we would go to the barn and stay. I was like so fun to stay up until midnight and we would dance. And although I, on those trips, I feel like I did get hurt a lot. Because your dad flipped flying, like throwing you around. Not dancing, thank God. But. No, sledding. I would take her into dangerous. She would go sledding and fall on her face and come home bloodied. Josh is that in our family. I think if there's one kid is the one who like just gets hurt all the time. I mean, I feel like I should get an award at this. You do. It's one of the most things. Yeah. Did you break any bones? So many. I've broken ribs, I broke ankles, ribs, wrists, most recently arm very badly. Yeah. And I had a near death skiing accident a couple of years ago. We were in Utah and that was really bad. That's a good family trip. Go through shoulder and arm. That was a good family trip. It was a good family trip until you had your accident. Yeah. Was it, not to make you relive it, but was it one of those falls where you were aware for a while that you were falling and the impact was coming? I was aware for a very long, not the impact was coming, the impact was coming over and over and over again. Yeah. I mean, it was terrifying. I fell, but also I fell in the most like myself manner where I wasn't even moving. I just like lost my balance. And I'm a pretty good skier and like, you know, you fall a million times, but I fell and then I just didn't stop falling and was like tumbling. At some point, like my arm detached from my body and I didn't even feel it. But I was lucky in the sense that I didn't lose consciousness. So I was like aware of like controlling my body so that I didn't like fly in a different direction. And then I just led to a stop. And my sister, my dad, you weren't skiing for some reason. No, I had just gone in. Like I was tired. It was our last day. So I was like, I'm just going to go in. Yeah. Of course, last round, the last day. The test called me and said, Anna's in the clinic. She, I thought she was dead. But I was not dead. Thank God. But yeah. Our oldest is so clumsy. Yeah. And it's awful because it's, we just, my wife and I find it so funny. And the other day we heard him walking towards our bedroom and we just heard the loudest, ow. And then he came and he's like, well, no surprise here. I stubbed my toe. The fact that he now is aware that like, yep, it happened again. It will be a lifelong thing. It's funny. Yeah. You've been like that since you were a little, like Anna was the kid who at four years old was diving off the couch for no reason and cuts her chin wide open on the coffee table or in a playground, would try to jump from one place structure to another where it was a 12 foot gap and land, you know, flat on her face. And, you know, she was an athlete to do an eighth grade basketball, going for rebents, snapping your ankle. It was, yeah, it was just been a lifelong thing. It's both like good and bad to have a kid who is fearless. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you would say as a parent, like I want them to be fearless. And then you see him jumping around. You're like, well, let me have a little common sense. Unfortunately it took many years until I finally was like, oh, I should have some fear. Yeah. Did you ever, Tony, did you ever take vacation with your grandparents? And Anna, did you ever take vacations with your dad's parents or your mom's parents? Me, once or twice. I mean, my mom's parents were long dead. My dad's parents, I think we did when I was really little, but they were quite old. I mean, my grandfather was in his 80s when I came around. So we, I remember going to like, maybe we went to Palm Springs for a weekend, or I just have a vague memory of that. Yeah, so, but not really. More like dutiful vacations with grandparents as a course. Like that's how I sometimes feel like we had dutiful vacations, you know, like be with your grandparents, but don't like enjoy it. Well, yeah, we did, Nana, her, Jane's mom would come with us on vacation and then they would fight. Yeah, I mean, well, that's, I feel like that's like the musky women tradition is like, my mom and her mom just always fought and that was like their love. And then I feel like my mom and I fight all the time and that's our love and it's like passed down. But we went to La Jolla a lot with grandpa. Oh, with grandpa, yeah, that's right. You did a lot. Yeah. To the same place, to that La Jolla Inn? No, when my dad got older, you know, and he got himself a house that he sort of caved in, you know, he lived, he got his dream and got a house in La Jolla when I was an adult. Once he knew he couldn't spoil his kids anymore. Once he couldn't spoil his kids anymore, he decided to spoil himself. I want everybody to know I got this for me. Yeah. Yeah. And his grandchildren. Yeah. So that was really, that was always fun. Cause I also feel like growing up on the East coast, but with a family that is like was from the West coast, I was so enamored with California, which is probably why I came here for college. And so I always felt like when we went to LA, but then specifically to La Jolla, it just felt so exotic. Like even though we would go to the beach, obviously New England, it's a different thing. And so I loved that. And then my mom's mom, I mean, we went to New Jersey all the time to see her down the shore, but I don't know. I was going to ask where the muskies are from. Cause it is Jersey. Yeah. It's a great map. It's a county Jersey. And then New Jersey shore. Yeah. Never met people who love New Jersey more. It was, were they right on the shore? Like were you on boardwalks? Well, Jane grew up in Maplewood, New Jersey, where her mom lives, which is a suburb, you know, just outside of New York city. And then when her mom retired, she moved down to Seagirt, which is right on the shore. Yeah. She wasn't, didn't have a beach house, but she lived in a beach community. It was great. And Anna, when you went there, were you sort of free to run about as you wanted? Not, I feel like not totally, like the neighborhood she was in, it didn't feel like, you know, you were just kind of like out and about. But what I did feel free to do for a very long time was watch cable television there because we didn't have cable TV until I was like a preteen. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Yeah. And so it was, the best part of going to grandma's house was always watching like Nickelodeon and stuff like that. Doesn't that sound crazy now? Yeah. Like we were trying to be disciplinary in parents and not expose our kids to too much media. And of course, Jane and I grew up in the era when there were like three channels. And so we were like cable TV is the day we're not paying for that and we're not doing it. You know, and the kids don't need that much. And now to think, I mean, you guys are dealing with young kids with social media, which is a whole other thing. It's so, also though, I do remember that we didn't have cable TV. And like if there was a kid in the town who did, like you would overlook a lot of that kid's flaws. Oh. Yeah, it was the same. For the purposes of getting invited over. Like a video game system. I feel like it was, that like going to Nana's house, it was being able to watch like the specific, like Nickelodeon and Disney shows. And then also it was the only time that mom ever let us see McDonald's. Oh. Yeah. Oh yeah. So those. That matters. That, you know, those were great trips. Yeah. Yeah. And Nana was hilarious. She was hilarious. And you loved your grandma. She was the funniest person ever. Love my mother a lot. She was a character. Did you really from the beginning? Adored her. We got along better with each other than, I mean, sometimes with my wife. 100% by the way, I've got that too. Oh, good. Did you ever share? I've said this on stage. So I'm not like, but have you ever shared a look with your mother-in-law while you were fighting with your wife where the mother-in-law was like, oh, sorry about this. Yes. And vice versa. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. And vice versa. She would call me in tears going, oh, you have to say this. I'm like, Banny was her nickname Banny. I was like, Banny, you're on your own. Oh yeah. The only thing I say to my mother-in-law is I'm always like, you know, we'll be holding each other's hands. And I'm like, you just have to remember, she's the way she is because of you. And not because of me. She was already the way she was when I met her. You had her first. You had her first. All the important, all the things that are wrong happened on your watch. Yes. Anna, you were a college athlete. You rode in college. I was, yeah. Tony, would you travel for meets? Am I, is that the right word? Regadas. Yeah. Yeah. All the time, particularly in high school, Anna was like a really good high school rower and she had like a high performance team that she was on. And being a rowing parent, you basically drive hours and hours and hours. You know, between kind of like Boston and Philadelphia anywhere in between, you're going to these regadas, which were cool, but, and you're on a beautiful river or lake or something, but it's, you basically wait for hours for your child's event. And then you go, I think they're starting now and you're at some point on the river. And then you go, I think their boat's gonna be coming soon and you're trying to time it and then you see the boats approaching and then they row by and you go, I think that's her. Go, go, go. I think that was, was that her? That was them. I think that was them. Yeah. It's the worst back in the earth for an hour. You know, you wait a couple more hours. So, but, and sometimes in the pouring rain, but it was fun. In college, I think for some reason, I think maybe I was working in New York. I only went to some of your college. Yeah. Regadas. I feel like in college it wasn't, it wasn't as much parents. Like it felt much more like college athletics where everyone was just there with like their teams. But in high school, I mean, we went to, you came to California for races in high school. We went to Indiana a lot. Well, yeah, your national championships, Cincinnati. Yeah. How are you getting your boats to Indiana? Are you sending them? Someone drives them. Yeah. So the way it works is like the team, you know, flies, but then there's a big thing in rowing is the day before everyone leaves the race, you derig all the boats. And that's like a very important part of being on a rowing team. And so everyone derigs the boats and then they get loaded onto this very specific kind of trailer. And then someone usually like a lowly assistant coach will drive the boats sometime. I mean, when we would go to California, we would borrow a boat. No one was driving them across the country, but in like college, they're driven across the country. But yeah, they would drive them from Connecticut to like Ohio or Indiana or whatever. And then you would show up and they would be there and you would put the riggers back on and yeah. What's the longest race in terms of how long it would take from start to finish that you would do? So typical rowing races, like the most, the sort of the main competitive rowing races are 2000 meters. So depending what kind of boat you're in that takes, or if you're a man or a woman, it takes between like five to 10 minutes. If you're rowing it alone, it takes longer. But then in the fall, and that's like what they do in the Olympics, 2000 meter races. And then in the fall, there's like longer courses. So if you've heard of like the head of the Charles is sort of the most famous in America, that's a 5K. So that's a bit longer and takes longer, but it's usually, it's a different kind of race. Like you don't all start at the same time. It's like more like a time trial type of thing. And those are fun, because it's like a more beautiful, you're kind of like in the scenery and you're sort of moving around a river. Whereas like a 2K. But you're rowing hard for 20 minutes. Yeah, I mean, it's hard, but it's like a little bit. It kind of has a different feel. A 2K race where you're all starting, it's like what you see in a movie or an Olympics or something is like the most stressful experience in the entire world and the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. And how in a, pardon my ignorance, how quickly in a race, like if it's a 10 minute, between five and 10 minutes, how often after one minute do you feel like you know how it's gonna go? Like are there dramatic comebacks? Oh yeah, for sure. Okay, great. For sure, yeah. Very dramatic comebacks. I've been on both ends of them, both come back and been come back on, which sucks. And yeah, like rowing races are really dramatic because you're all kind of, at some point, at least if you're in like the finals of a race, like everyone's good, you know? And the way the boats start is weird because they have to get momentum. And so, and also things can happen, like you have this appendage and if it like touches the water in the wrong way, it can like totally screw up your boat. And yeah, it's like a very exciting experience when you're in the middle of it, it's you're like, why the hell am I doing this to myself right now? But my mom was a rower and so that's why I started. And so again, I blame, you know, we all just blame our parents. I feel like the important thing that, cause I ran track and I ran like middle distance, but I also wasn't good. And the speed in which the, the minute a race started, I'm like, nope. Like I literally like, you know what I mean? Like they were already, I'm like, well, it's not like, I'm gonna, in 400 meters, I'm gonna be the fast one. Were you able to push yourself or did you kind of just feel like, man, I'll cruise. I pushed myself, but I remember like, the amount of like mental deals I would make with myself where, you know, I'd hit the turn and I'd be like, today's the day. I got it. Oh, no, it's over. I feel like track is hard. Track, I mean, I'm not a great runner, but I just feel like the mental gymnastics you have to do and running, like you're just so on your own and how you deal with that. I find very impressive. I was glad I ran because it's like something I continue to do my whole life. And like it is still my favorite form of exercise because of the mental component of just like being by yourself, but- Yeah, yeah. And I'm not good at teamwork. So you don't want me on your boat. Yeah, I mean, but the funny thing about rowing too is like, I was talking about someone at the other day, it's like the ultimate team sport, cause you all have to be going at the same, you know, you're matching each other, but at the same time, like you're not communicating. So I was talking to someone about how like weird rowers can be and I'm like, yeah, because we don't ever need to talk to each other. Whereas like if you're on team, like team sport that's playing on a field or a court or whatever, you have to communicate. And with rowing, it's like, you're just silent. You're not looking at each other. Right. And so allowing, I mean, myself included. I feel like a lot of rowers get a lot of social anxiety. That's fair. By the way, when Josh said you rode, I heard it in my head, Josh, R-O-D-E. And like as Josh mentioned, his wife sent a question. He was like, you rode and those were called regattas. And I'm like, what's wrong with you? Like horse regattas? And I slowly put it together. That's a different deal. That sounds like a good sport. Yeah, you don't want me on a horse, no. This has been, have you guys started? How many do you have in the, like eight and eight? Okay, great. What week are we on in terms of airing, Anna? I think we're on week eight now. Yeah. We started, we launched in September. So yeah. I listened to your first episode and I know that you both admitted to being little white liars. So I hope that all these stories you've told us today are true. You'll never know. And that you haven't been sort of volleying with each other. And like, we got to tell these guys some stories about trips. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's been really amazing. Like you said, the scheduling is the kind of nightmare of it. But as soon as we have these conversations, this is such a great format, you know, because we get used to doing interviews or talking, you know, and you get like, like when I've done your show, it's what do you have seven minutes and we have a great conversation. It's fun, but then it's something over before you get started. And podcasts are, it's so cool. I mean, have a conversation like this is so fun. And to interview all kinds of interesting people, like this week, we have these two basketball, because our show, Far From the Tree is parents and children who work in the same industry. So we have Vic and Blair Schaefer. He's the women's head coach of the UT women's basketball team. And she's his assistant coach. And so to hear about a father and daughter who work together on the same basketball team was, wasn't that an awesome conversation, Anna? Yeah, it was my favorite. And then actors, yeah, it's been really cool. So worth it. It's very fun. And it gives Anna and I a chance to hang out. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the bonus of this for us is, yeah, we spend an hour a week at least. Yeah. I'll tell you what, I was lucky enough to run into a PTA, Tony a couple of weeks ago. And I was at the Amy Polar SNL. That's Paul Thomas Anderson. Paul Thomas Anderson. And I'll tell you what I told him, which is I did the most father of three kid thing, which is I saw one battle after another at 1030 in the morning on a Friday. That sounds great. It was like literally a theater with like eight other dads. Yeah. And it was, you were so great. Oh, thanks, man. And I'm very jealous that you got to work so much with my old colleague, Jim Downey. Jim Downey, what a great guy. Unbelievable. You know, with Jim, who for those who don't know, Jim is legendary Saturday Night Live writer, from the beginning. Former head writer. Yeah. Former head writer from the very beginning until pretty recently, he retired. Yeah. Jim, just anything that comes out of his mouth is you just start laughing. And when we're shooting our first scene with the Christmas adventurers, Sean Penn and Jim and me in this hotel suite. And every time Jim would talk, Paul would ruin the shot because he would start laughing uncontrollably. Anything Jim did. I mean, I thought it was amusing, but Paul has this passion for Jim Downey and anything that comes out of his mouth, he just falls apart laughing. So he kept having to leave the set because he was just cracking up. And it's sort of remarkable because he does, it's not like he's putting a lot of sauce on it. There's just something about the way Jim says it. And I mean, those, I mean, those were, I mean, again, I love the movie so much. Those scenes were so awesome because nobody was pushing it. Everybody was just the, those Christmas adventure clubs because you're like, this is the baddest idea. And just watching and spending time with everybody in this room. And none of them know they're crazy. And they're all just, you know, it's literally like watching somebody do their taxes. But it's so great. Yeah. But bravo and congrats on the new podcast. Oh, we have to do the speed round. Josh is gonna take over. Oh, okay. All right, here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Adventurous. Adventurous. Love it. What is your favorite means of transportation? Train. Bicycle. Boat, no, boat, boat. Oh yeah, bicycle. This one gets tricky. You were worried your crew team was listening. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Oh my God. I don't know. Who'd be like really fun? Oh. This is hard. Do you have one? I'm trying to think it'd be someone like adventurous. Yeah. Like the Kennedys or something. That's a good one. No, that sounds too complicated for me. Maybe just one Kennedy. Which one? Which one? You have to say, you say it, and then when you show up at the airport, you find out which one. This is very, very tricky. You don't get what you necessarily wanted, but you get what you want. Exactly. I don't know. Maybe not the living Kennedy. Tony, any answer from you? Yeah. I want to say, well he's old, Evan Shenard. Evan Shenard. Does that have to say his first name? You know who, he's a famous, famous, then he started Patagonia. Oh, great. Patagonia is a famous, he lives in Ventura, California. A famous mountaineer in Caracclimer, and he's in the Davies now. I know his assistant. But what's it, you do? Yeah, he's like an amazing man, and like goes to these incredible places and does incredible things. That's a better answer. Great. I'll do that one. No, I think yours is good, and I like that. I just don't want to be on that vacation. I have a suggestion on what your answer should be for both of you on this next one, but we'll see if you get it. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family who would it be? Oh, immediate family? Extended family. Yeah, you could choose. I'm dead, I picked my wife. I love my, I adore my daughters, I'd be happy to be with everyone, but I'd pick Jane. I would probably pick my sister. Okay, sorry, dad. You guys have come full circle. I mean, I would say sorry to your husband. Well, I didn't know if it was supposed to be like, no, it's too late, you can't go back. I wouldn't pick my husband. Can't go back too late. Tony, what's your hometown? Los Angeles, born in Santa Maria, we agree, Los Angeles. Okay, if you were pitching Los Angeles to families to try to get more families to come visit, how would you do it? I would say that LA is a city, it's like many amazing cities in one sprawling city and you have to find your place and your people, but when you do, it's an incredible place with all kinds of, it's underrated culturally, there's extraordinary people. Everyone comes there to achieve their dreams and therefore there are lots of really interesting people in Los Angeles. Great, and Anna, what is your hometown? New Canaan, Connecticut. Same thing for New Canaan. You gotta get families to come to New Canaan, how do you sell it? I always say to people, it's like the, you know, like the Christmas train sets, it's like the town in the middle of the train set. And so it's just like incredibly picturesque. I would also say that people New Canaan are really nice and I grew up there and have like my best friends the entire world from there. And I think that that says something, that I'm still friends of people that I knew when I was 11. But aesthetically, it does feel like you're in the middle of like a Christmas movie. I was afraid you were gonna say it's like the Christmas adventures. No, well, it's the little... It's just a little... Which we hope is just a wacky idea. And Seth has our final questions. Have you guys been to the Grand Canyon? No, I wanna go. Once, only once when I was 10 years old. Is that crazy? All right, Anna, you wanna go? And Tony, my follow-up was was it worth it when you were 10? Yeah, I thought it was amazing. I mean, not amazing enough to go back. My dad and I drove across country and he was like, we're at the Grand Canyon and we looked at it and he's like, we gotta go now. It's so funny, it's the best joke. I mean, the amount of people that did exactly what was in National Ampuns. So lovely talking to the Golden's. You guys were the best. Thank you. You guys have the new podcast. Lovely to see you both. So nice to meet you guys. Appreciate it. Bye. Take care. Bye. Bye.哎哎 Well Tony and his daughter and a half a pod The booking and the scheduling is quite a job They also study French online And is this pretty good? Well say that Tony's is fine, why'd Jane produce a heck? I love Anna's wedding, we're talkin' Anna Muskie Goldwyn and her daddy Tony They're like a trip where they don't really have a plan An Iceland book to guide an Icelandic man, he's day at six hours of sun He ran the Goldwyn's ragged, cause there were things to be done Ride on some snowmobiles, and ride those two ponies And the greenhouse tomato farm with the tomato ice cream Up in Mammoth and old man with his junk just flappin' around But he tucked that junk away when someone showed up with children Snuck into a temple when they went to Bali We're talkin' Anna Muskie Goldwyn and her daddy Tony Back in the day for New Years they go to Vermont's A boogey-woogie barn was their favorite hunt So Tony's wife would go to bed But that was not a problem, he danced with Anna instead He'd spin around the place, swing dancing in the hay And they would dance around the barn till it was New Years Day Cows would moo approval of their impressive moves Flapping and scratching their features like a couple chickens They were the best around, they were a sight to see We're talkin' Anna Muskie Goldwyn and her daddy Tony