WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp

The UAP Witness That Didn’t Testify - Congress Wanted You To Hear This

40 min
Oct 9, 20258 months ago
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Summary

Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp present testimony from Daniel Goccarell, a former Army Ranger who witnessed a massive triangular craft hovering silently over Eglin Air Force Base in 2006. The episode explores why Goccarell didn't testify publicly to Congress despite authorization, discusses the vetting process for UAP witnesses like Dylan Borland, and examines the challenges whistleblowers face when coming forward with classified or sensitive information.

Insights
  • Credible military witnesses are corroborating identical descriptions of triangular craft across multiple sightings, suggesting either a documented phenomenon or coordinated testimony
  • Whistleblowers face systematic character attacks and career destruction before and after testimony, creating a chilling effect that discourages other potential witnesses from coming forward
  • The redaction of testimony portions reflects self-protective legal strategy by journalists rather than government censorship, highlighting the complex balance between disclosure and witness safety
  • Multiple federal agencies (ICIG, AARO, FBI) are actively investigating UAP witness accounts, indicating institutional recognition of the phenomenon's significance
  • The absence of these advanced craft in military theaters of war suggests either domestic black budget programs, allied partnerships, or non-human intelligence operating with constraints
Trends
Institutional legitimization of UAP investigation through congressional hearings and multi-agency witness vetting processesEmergence of credible military and intelligence community whistleblowers as primary evidence source for UAP phenomenaCoordinated witness corroboration of specific craft characteristics (triangular shape, silent propulsion, extreme speed) across independent sightingsIncreasing public skepticism toward official denials, particularly when pre-testimony character attacks precede witness statementsGrowing tension between national security classification protocols and public disclosure demands for phenomena observed on domestic military basesMedia platforms becoming primary channels for witness testimony when official congressional venues become unavailableDocumented pattern of government agencies (AARO) dismissing witnesses before evaluating evidence, raising questions about investigative bias
Topics
UAP Witness Testimony and Credibility AssessmentCongressional UAP Hearings and Legislative OversightMilitary Witness Protection and Career ConsequencesTriangular Craft Sightings and Propulsion CharacteristicsEglin Air Force Base UAP ActivityAARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) Investigation ProtocolsClassified Information Disclosure and Legal LiabilityBlack Triangle Phenomenon DocumentationReverse Engineering and Advanced Propulsion TechnologyWhistleblower Intimidation and Character AssassinationNational Security Classification vs. Public DisclosureMulti-Agency Witness Vetting ProcessesSilent Hovering Aircraft TechnologySonic Boom Absence and Physics ImplicationsMilitary Personnel Corroboration of UAP Sightings
Companies
AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office)
Federal agency investigating UAP witnesses; criticized for pre-testimony character attacks and dismissive approach to...
ICIG (Intelligence Community Inspector General)
Agency that received classified testimony from Dylan Borland regarding UAP phenomena and legacy programs
FBI
Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted detailed interviews with UAP witnesses including Daniel Goccarell regarding...
People
Daniel Goccarell
Former Army Ranger who witnessed 300-foot triangular craft hovering silently at Eglin Air Force Base in 2006; authori...
Dylan Borland
Intelligence community whistleblower who testified to Congress about UAP sightings; received only six days notice; po...
David Grush
UAP whistleblower who participated in vetting process for other witnesses; confirmed credibility of Dylan Borland's t...
Sean Kirkpatrick
Government official who made pre-testimony character attacks against UAP witnesses before they testified to Congress
Tim Phillips
Official who clarified that AARO lacks classification authority and must defer to source agencies on sensitive UAP in...
Chuck McCullough
ICIG official who encouraged Dylan Borland to come forward with UAP testimony after David Grush's initial disclosure
Dr. Likatsky
Researcher who conducted NIDS study on black triangle phenomenon; authors recent book on UAP; potential future congre...
Representative Luna
Congressional representative who attempted to brief pilots at Eglin Air Force Base regarding UAP incidents
Representative Gates
Congressional representative who attempted to brief pilots at Eglin Air Force Base regarding UAP incidents
Quotes
"This thing could take up a football field. It was instant and it was far and away, just like the most violently fast thing that I've ever seen."
Daniel GoccarellDescribing the triangular craft's acceleration
"There was zero oscillation, right? The propulsion and noise, there was no audible report, no hum, nothing."
Daniel GoccarellKey observation about the craft's silent hovering capability
"These attacks are meant to discourage other whistleblowers and other witnesses from ever peeking their head out of the foxhole. And I think to a large extent it works."
George KnappOn systematic character assassination of UAP witnesses
"If it's something as spectacular as this, I mean, that would revolutionize travel. I mean, who knows, you know, right."
Daniel GoccarellOn the implications of the observed technology
"The observed phenomenon displayed characteristics inconsistent with conventional aircraft technology known at the time, the size, silence, stability and speed of the object suggested an advanced aerial platform."
Daniel GoccarellFrom his written congressional testimony
Full Transcript
Now there was another person, George, who the world did not get to hear from. Somebody that was authorized to testify to Congress went through the entire vetting process. So my name is Daniel Goccarell. In 2006, February to March timeframe, I was in last stage of the Branger School. Notable observations and that there's zero oscillation, right? The propulsion and noise, there was no audible report, no hum, nothing. How big was this? Why was it, in your mind, different? This thing could take up a football field. It was instant and it was far and away, just like the most violently fast thing that I've ever seen. In the Pentagon City, I talked to a couple other whistleblowers and they both talked about the same exact craft. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, hiding here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell in Parts Unknown. Jeremy, how you doing? You're a good man looking sharp, like you're a working man, like a news person, like a journalist going to work. I don't know if I've ever told you this, but I have another job. I work for a TV station here in Las Vegas. Sometimes I put on a shirt and a tie and that should be our dress code for weaponized, by the way. You have ties, right? You get somewhere, I got married once. I can send you some that are a little updated, mine are pretty outdated as it is. I'm reading a lot of stuff about our friend Dylan Borland. We put out two episodes, boom, kind of exploded social media and UFO circles. People are talking about him. He's getting slapped around quite a bit, as we would expect. How is he doing? Yeah, I think he's doing great, man. He feels that he told it exactly how it is. I saw that with the first episode, I saw that the first attack was on his service career, right? We did have to redact certain things in our episodes. You'll see that redaction comes up. Why? Why did you do that? Censorship? Who told you to do that, Jeremy? I saw that repeated many times. Yeah, so I'll explain that. I think we put that in the episode, but I'll explain that a little bit. Dylan was given only six days notice to prepare for his congressional testimony. Imagine that from what he says, when he testified to ICIG, when he testified to Arrow, that there were portions of his testimony that ended up being classified. I have actually run that down and that is true. Some of what Dylan said was classified. He had to walk this tightrope of what can I say publicly to Congress? What can I say to journalists? What we ended up redacting was mainly just stuff about his personal work experience that he wasn't sure if he was allowed to talk about. He's putting in requests through Dolpster to figure out can he talk about those things, but none of it was nefarious. We're covering stuff up or we're self-censoring other than just Dylan protecting him with basic information. What can he talk about? So look, people wanted to hear his testimony, but we also have to make sure that he doesn't cross any line that can be used against him because he's talking about a big topic. Yeah, just to be clear, I mean, I saw people wondering what government authority cracked down on us and made us redact and censor this stuff. And it was nobody. It was us acting in the best interests of Dylan, so he doesn't cross a line or get in any legal trouble. You and Michael spent hours and hours going over every line of every statement made and you're just trying to be overly protective of him so that nobody could come after him for things that he has shared, things that should be public, by the way. Yeah, yeah. And it's non UFO related. 99.9% of it's just basic stuff when you're working in the intelligence community and you have certain jobs. And he does take his oath seriously and you have to kind of navigate that. So look, we did our best. I think that the core of it is all there. Now, hopefully he does get authorized to talk about other things. I am really curious about these drawings. So we saw one and the world got to see one, which is the firsthand experience that Dylan had, which is seeing the triangular craft at a military base, extraordinary account. You know, gold lava, no sound shooting up without a sonic boom. That alone is amazing. That's firsthand. But he also conveyed some secondhand legacy UFO program experience. And oddly enough, from what I understand, that's what was classified in the two drawings we don't get to see that we don't know about. So it would be curious why you'd classify something that wasn't sensitive or wasn't accurate. I mean, that's kind of weird to me. One last point on that. Tim Phillips went on and said, Arrow doesn't classify things. They don't have the authorities to classify. So what they have to do is they have to go to the source of these narratives that they're being told and then decide it is sensitive enough. UAP related is what it seems like to classify. So I am really curious if there's nothing to it of what Dylan has to say, then what was classified? Can we see that? Can we hear about that? You know, it kind of comes with the territory. So we get a lot of commentary no matter what interview we do or whatever witness we bring forward about. Come on, you're censoring it. Let them tell everything. No one would dare hurt them. No one's going to come after them or prosecute them. This is we're seeing in real time the life of a whistleblower when people come forward. What happens to them? They get beat up and pummeled. Their integrity gets questioned. They could call all kinds of insulting names. Their background is challenged. Everything about their lives gets dragged through the mud. In this case, we saw Sean Kirkpatrick and maybe his sidekick come forward before Dylan even testified and said all kinds of crap about all of those witnesses who are coming forward. There are storytellers, there are liars, there are exaggerators, there are grifters, they're making this stuff up. All these kind of things before they even said what they wanted to say. And since Dylan and the others have testified at that congressional hearing, man, they're getting slimed all over the place. That is what people face. And it's not so much just to punish them for coming forward. These attacks are meant to discourage other whistleblowers and other witnesses from every peeking their head out of the foxhole. And I think to a large extent it works, don't you? Yeah, and it's pretty amazing now that you put it in that perspective. I mean, what is a guy like Sean Kirkpatrick or even Tim Phillips doing talking about people who are coming forward to Congress before they do? It makes me want to hear what they have to say more. It's very counterintuitive that they try to do the slime job before we even hear what they have to say. Remember, this isn't casual testimony when Dylan testified. It was that great personal risk just because we see what's going on on social media. But to make something up under oath in front of Congress or to make something up when you testify to the ICIG or to Arrow, if he was lying or misinformed, that would have consequences. So to already diminish somebody like that before they testify is very strange because it takes a lot of courage to do it. Now, you know, the question is, do we believe Dylan's testimony? And that's why we put stuff out so everybody can. They can vet it. They can look into it. I'll tell you something. David Grush does believe Dylan. And I can tell you that personally because David Grush, and I don't think we've talked about this, George, but he was part of the vetting process with all of the witnesses that we brought forward. I wanted a second set of eyes on people to say, is this from your knowledge? Is this worthy of them going under oath in front of Congress? And David and Dylan had, I introduced them on a deeper level. They had never met. Of course, Chuck McCullough and Dave did encourage him to come forward right after David Grush testified to say, if you've got something, go to the ICIG. But they had never substantially met. And I facilitated that during this vetting process. So somebody had asked that David Grush believe and we haven't heard from him. And yeah, I'd say he does believe him because he was part of the vetting process of Dylan and a lot of other people were. And Dylan was considered worthy of talking before Congress. It is risky for witnesses and whistleblowers to come forward, no matter how you cut it. I mean, there are risks in terms of legalities. I mean, obviously Dylan's never going to have a clearance again. He can never work in that world. I saw people commenting, well, let him get some other job. Well, you've been trained for this. You've been trained and experienced in doing what he was doing. It's hard to go from that to working at 7-Eleven or McDonald's, you know, and make a living living in Virginia, which is a pretty expensive place. You get a lot of comments about the legalities involved and who else he has talked to. He's talked to other people. I mean, it's Congress was not the first go round. It's not his first rodeo, right? That's right. Yeah, he's testified and that's why I said if he was lying or even misinformed on a deep level, there would be consequences. He has testified to numerous official bodies and that's been a little bit of a trip. So, yeah, look, I'm glad that Dylan came forward and told what it is that he experienced firsthand, but also went as far as to tell what he understood from secondhand information. What he's convinced of. Now, time will tell if that's, I hope time will tell if that's correct information, but I am absolutely going to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see evidence otherwise. Now, there was another person, George, who the world did not get to hear from somebody that was authorized to testify to Congress, went through the entire vetting process with me and other people to make sure that, you know, that what they were saying added up, that they could be a witness and it was legal for them to do it. And that was a man named Daniel and Daniel was in Ranger school and had a sighting or an encounter of a huge triangular craft, but it happened to be on Egland Air Force Base. So this is what's really bizarre. It's a type of craft that looks like no sonic boom hovering without sound. Why this story is important and why I fought for him to be able to testify. It's because it confuses me and it gives me hope. Right. If we got these craft, these UFOs that can fly in ways that are just way beyond normal reactionary propulsion systems. What is this thing doing at Egland Air Force Base and nobody knows about it. We don't see it in the theater of war. So it kind of gives me hope that maybe we've either reverse engineered stuff or we've kept stuff super secret or we've got some sort of partnership program. I don't know. You choose. Well, he's a really interesting witness. I hadn't heard this story until we interviewed him for weaponized and it came across to me was this guy does not live down in the same rabbit hole as you and I. He doesn't get his mail down there in UFO rabbit hole. He's not a UFO guy, but he did have a good military career and he saw something really, really strange and we're about to hear that story. I wish Congress had heard it. I think the Egland Air Force Base angle is interesting because as you recall, that's where Representative Luna and Gates went to get a briefing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And they were and that's where they were stymied basically from, you know, they tried to stop them from talking with the pilots. So I knew it would be of interest. And to be clear, Congress did hear the testimony. They we went through numerous even national security people were there, you know, making sure we could tell the story. He was authorized to testify to Congress. It was for personal issues. A really good one, actually, but it's for personal issue that he couldn't do it. But now for the first time, the public gets to hear his testimony. And now what we make of it, we'll talk about that on the other side. But here is my pal Daniel, who's got a great encounter. And here you go. So my name is Daniel Goccarell. In 2006, February to March timeframe, I don't have a definitive date, but I was in the very last stage or phase of Ranger school. And I had a bad jump and I sustained an L one compression fracture and some pretty good TBI traumatic brain injury. But it was mainly the back. And because of that, I was housed in a little medical facility right there in Eglin Air Force Base. And which is down near Destin, Florida, Panama City Beach, Florida, right on the panhandle there. So I woke up one night, I was I was woken up one night, because I heard a large engine powering up and then powering down it was shaking the building is a small building, a couple beds in the little medical bay. And then they had a little staff duty CQ specialist there. And think he was a specialist specialist or Sergeant, but he was manning the desk, you know, in case anything happens as to wake us up firewatch basically. Yeah. And I got out of my bed I was in a frame, keeps your back straight. It's like I felt like a robot. I wasn't supposed to walk I had these crutches and I get out of my bed, and I make it to the staff duty desk the staff duty kid was there he was watching the movie at his headphones on. So he was more or less oblivious to the sound which, and after exchanging pleasantries because I wasn't supposed to be out of bed and I wasn't supposed to be upright. I asked him what this sound was and he said that there is just the Air Force testing stuff right. So I bought my cigarette from him. I step outside and I look to my left and about, I would say three 400 yards. There was a clearing and surrounding this clearing is these high mass portable generator lights like they use on construction for in roadways that you see and stuff and highways and stuff like that. And I saw Humvees military personnel out there look like and some black SUVs. And I see hovering about 15 to 20 feet off the off the ground this giant maybe 300 or so feet in length aircraft. There was no visible cockpit, you know, no visible like traditional fuselage or engine, like I couldn't see it just it was different to me. So about right about the time I get out and I notice this. Hover it goes straight up and and when I say hover it I don't mean in a traditional sense. So when you think about, you know, any fixed wing aircraft any bird that we have known to man right now. Even a rotary bird it oscillates when it hovers. This just goes straight up and it's dead quiet. Nothing, not a sound I could hear the buzzing from the generator lights. Right. So this gets about to the canopy, like height a little over the canopy, and does a slight bank and takes off and it rips right over the canopy like looks like it was heading northeast. And which I'm guessing I like I honestly couldn't remember it just. I don't know sometimes you know, you feel like you know your cardinal directions like which way is home. Anyway, this aircraft when it banks I can see that it's a perfect triangle and it's gigantic and it has a white light at each apex of the triangle and a large white light in the center and it takes off and it zips out of sight. I mean, mock something we don't know. And I mean it takes off. And the biggest shock to me at that point was there was no audible report. There was nothing like something going that fast. It's going to bust the sound barrier going to hear it. And I didn't I heard nothing. And at that point again it was just the buzzing of the generator lights out there. I watched this as I'm smoking my cigarette, seemingly do several touch and goes, but it doesn't it doesn't go down at that little drop zone that it took off it just comes back stays there for a second couple seconds and then takes off again comes back stays there for a couple seconds takes off again. And at that point I grew bored of it and I was impressed obviously, but I'm like, okay, this is our military testing some awesome technology and, you know, again, this isn't my wheelhouse so I'm not, you know, this is, I'm not really realizing that this is some sort of zero point energy or something that we, you know, we've never seen before. So it's nothing like I've ever seen before. I've never seen any military or civilian bird have the capabilities that something like this has. Again, there's no signage. There's no visible cockpit fuselage. You know, there's nothing that I can see that, you know, would make me think it's any kind of traditional bird that we've that, you know, we've seen or I've heard about. It takes off and I go back inside and that's it. So the biggest thing to me, and when we were discussing it is the notable notable observations and that it's there's zero oscillation, right. The propulsion and noise. There was no audible report no hum, nothing. What was it? It lacked like an obviously visible cabin. Any signage engine housing, engine housing exhaust systems. And it's the sheer speed that it that, you know, that was, you know, one of the most notable things. Yeah, I want to ask you the obvious questions that people are going to ask. I think I'd like to ask them. First off, and we can do them in short order, but just first off when you say like gigantic like obviously you were impressed by this. You say you've never seen anything like this. You know, as you say birds, you know, planes, you know, you've been around them. What was like how big was this? Why was it in your mind different like nose to ask this thing could take up a football field. It was like 300 feet or so, I'm guessing. But yeah, approximately probably like 300 feet, maybe 15 to 20 feet in its thickness from that profile view. Wow. And honestly, I can't remember seeing anything else. I was trying and squinting so hard to see like see the tail, anything that would register visibly like a tail or something like that. There was nothing no fins or, you know, nothing like that. Right. So this is not a typical aviation, meaning you've got a perfect triangle that is at one point hovering completely silent to the point where you can hear these generators around it. And it shoots off at a speed where you should have heard some sort of signature from it is what I'm understanding from you. So you're looking at a type of aviation that we don't see every day is a good way to say it. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, let me ask you back. Let's go back about the sound. At first, there was something loud enough that it got you out of basically sick bed and to get outside and, you know, got you to physically get up. So what was it that you were hearing initially or was it just the vibrations of the building or what what what were you hearing? I mean, it could have been the vibration of the rumbling of the building at first, but I mean, it was, you know, when I came to I could hear it like it, I could hear that rumble that you know, like it's powering up and then powering down something's powering up and powering down. Wow. So like electrical like electrical energy going ratcheting up and then back down again. You heard that many times. Yes. So by the time you get outside, there's no like screaming engines or anything. You was it at that point completely silent. There was no more powering up powering down when I got outside. I mean, it might have stopped maybe at that time I was engaged with the back and forth with the staff duty kid. So. And he's seeing it too. Is this down? No, so when I asked him, he said, Oh, that's just the Aurora project. You know, it's the Air Force testing some bird, which I was later told, you know, in Washington circles that a lot of times they'll give shit names to that might be from another project. So, you know, it's kind of out of sight out of mind. Right. So you don't go around telling everybody what you saw, but you never signed an NDA or anything like that. No, we're seeing this. Yeah. No, I've always kind of been a little apprehensive about like talking about this now that I'm realizing it's such kind of it's pretty big deal. Because again, you have to understand that for years to me. I mean, I think I told a couple people and the guys that I was talking to were the guys that that's their wheelhouse. They, you know, they're the top gun guys. They like, you know, when they have the guys that when you see an aircraft, they're like, that's an F 18 Super Hornet, you know, yeah. And I was, you know, I brought it up to them. That's actually coincidentally what kind of led me to you is through a friend who is known in y'all circles and the DC brass circles. And, you know, that that's what led me to you. So what yeah, I'm glad that I got to hear your story. I just thought it was important for other people to hear what you saw. You know, you're not claiming you know what it is. I'm not claiming I know what it is. But it definitely if I saw a foot bell sized like a stadium sized triangular craft hovering silently just that alone, even without the takeoff you described without a sonic boom. I mean, that's to me that would be astonishing to me to see something that big hovering silently on a military base like in the sky. I mean, was it astonishing in any way? It blew me away the size definitely. The first thing I saw because it's so jet black is I just saw that they were doing something out there with all the lights and it took me a second to notice that holy crap. Here it is, you know. But yeah, outside of that, like I was simply just blown away by how fast it was and not hearing any kind of audible report, you know, any kind of sonic boom or anything. Right. And I wanted to hear a little bit more about that. So when you're talking about, you know, the thing moving so there was no air displacement, there was no sound like a sonic boom. Was it faster than anything you've ever seen fly before? Was it instantaneous? Did it go move slowly? How did it shoot on? It was instant and it was far and away just like the most violently fast thing that I've ever seen. So yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, I think it's lucky that you got to see that. It's amazing. You didn't have to sign any NDAs. 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I also know that the FBI was interested in hearing your full detailed account and that you did testify to the FBI. You've done your service and you've testified to everybody and I'm grateful for that. But now the American public gets to hear and put that in whatever box they want because to me it's hopeful, man. To me, this is obviously a craft that the United States government is in somehow operating or facilitating the operation of. And it's been always a question is if our government has reverse engineered anything or has any of this technology under their control. So I'm kind of optimistic from hearing your account because it sheds a little light on what our government is at least doing with one of these, you know, one of these craft. So I don't know, man. Thank you. Thank you for test. Do you have any final thoughts or anything you want to tell me? Honestly, you know, when I so I did get invited to go up to Pentagon City there and I sat at a table with like 1314 guys. I brought my buddy up there for backup because I was a little sketched out, you know, I'm not used to this kind of stuff and I'm not. I don't chase clout or anything. That's one of the reasons you've never seen me on anything like this before. That's actually one of the main reasons I didn't do the that public hearing. And then I'm on here. But so I got my way that I was squeezing it. I was like, people got to hear people got to hear what you what you saw. But you know, and after, you know, discussing at length about this, it I do feel that it's important that people know about it. You know, I'm not one of those guys that that more or less has to have the information right there. I understand like the need for the clandestine stuff. You know, I was in the military, I get it. But at the same time, you know, if it's something as spectacular as this, I mean, that would revolutionize travel. I mean, who knows, you know, right. So it and as far as being approached by anybody else, Aero has yet I've been told that they want to talk to me. But I've again been and we talked about this before. I'm a little apprehensive about doing that and telling my story to certain people and or groups, given arrows kind of propensity to more or less, you know, belittle the whistleblower story, you know, I and I'm not, I don't know, I just take it or leave it, you can believe me or not, you know, to me, again, I'm kind of flabbergasted that I can just see this and it's just so right out there. You know, so I mean, if it's so clandestine, how could I, you know, again, it's a little bit of a remote area. I get it and it is a secure area. What, you know, if it is that sensitive of information, then you would think they should have told you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, I really appreciate everything that you guys are doing. I, I'm a little intimidated, you know, I mean, I'm comfortable with you now, but it's still very intimidating meeting guys like George and them and and stuff people that I've like listened to. Again, this isn't my one of my big things, but I've always taken an interest in the unexplained, you know, yeah. So it's just, it's kind of serendipitous that I kind of sort of get to be a part of it now. But yeah, brings me to the last point, which is something you wrote in your congressional testimony. The last thing you wrote, you said the the observed phenomenon displayed characteristics inconsistent with conventional aircraft technology known at the time, the size, silence, stability and speed of the object suggested an advanced aerial platform. And you wrote this account is provided for further investigation and documentation. And that's what I really liked about your testimony that you did provide to Congress that written testimony is you're like, look, we just need to investigate and we need to document this because this is outside of the norm of what we're told exists. You know, no, you shouldn't jump to any conclusions based on what other people think you saw what you saw. You reported it the way you did to Congress and also speaking with the FBI, whoever else you do but now you're reporting it to the world. This is what you saw. So I just want to say thank you so much for taking the time. I know it's been a long time you and me talking. You didn't want to come forward with this and I respect that, but it's my job to push you. Yeah. Well, who knows this might segue into or might be the catalyst, you know, maybe for something else on this because I forgot to mention to that when I did go up to that meeting. Up there Pentagon City. I talked to a couple other whistleblowers, you know, of one. And actually, you know, both of them. And they both talked about the same exact craft, you know, it would be one thing if it was, you know, oh, I saw a flying disc and oh, this guy saw a flying disc. But no, he's literally telling me and like just going down the list and checking off every characteristic of what I had seen, you know, so that's what's really creepy to me. It kind of blows me away that. All right, this isn't just, you know, Farmer Brown, you know, not pushing any, you know, hate or anything to, you know, like the regular John, you know, Joe Schmo, you know, civilian, but, you know, we're having like, you know, new Navy pilots and like, like top brass and stuff like talking about these things. And it's very, very weird to me that we're sitting here doing these like congressional hearings, because I feel like if this was like the 50s or something, the whole world would stop and we'd be like, okay, what is this? Right, right. He who has the answers, show yourself, come out, tell us what's going on or I mean, just, you know, or tell us, hey, this is something we're working on. Can't tell you about, you know, the information as of yet, it's not stable, whatever reasons that they have. But I think it is, it's just this glaring elephant in the room and everything we do and every step we take, you know, I mean, I get it. I can see that, you know, junk you public's gonna say, wow, that's crazy. And then they're going to scroll to the next, you know, whatever it is, you know, well, hopefully they're going to scroll to an episode of weaponized and they'll hear it again. But look, man, I really, I really appreciate it. And I appreciate you sharing this because I know you don't really want to go public with stuff and I appreciate that though I do think it's really important. Your account gives me some sense of hope that we have some control over this technology that we've been seeing, obviously not piloted by us, you know, 100 years ago. But today, it seems like we have some sort of controls, you know, go USA. I hope that's the case. So your account gives me that little bit of hope. Anyway, man, thank you so much. I can't wait for the world to hear your testimony. And we'll probably talk soon. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, George. All of your constituents, you guys are literally spearheading this fight for disclosure. It's very historical. I don't know if you get the accolades. I don't think you guys do that you deserve. It's really incredible. And please keep doing what you're doing because guys like you are guys that speak for the rest of us men and women who want answers. And so you doing these things that you're doing and the platforms that you have to do it. It doesn't go unnoticed. It is like, again, I say historic. Yeah. So that was Daniel's testimony. We know we're just showing you the basics of what what he could testify to. But it's firsthand experience of seeing a non typical aerial vehicle that seems to defy our known physics. Now, George, if if this is ours and we built it and maybe we reversed engineered it or just normal ingenuity, how cool is it? And why aren't we seeing these ever in the theater of war? Yeah, where is it? Where are they keeping it? You know, it's been a long time since his sighting there. It's pretty clear with the all the military personnel around it that either it's ours or it belongs to an ally or we're working with somebody else who's flying it. But where the hell are they keeping this thing? Do we have more of them? And when do we get to see them? When they got to bust them out and use them? We could use these things right now. Could we? Yeah. Dr. Likatsky and with OSAP, didn't they study the black triangle phenomenon? That was NIDS. That was actually years before OSAP. Some of that information did make it into the DIA OSAP files. But yeah, NIDS did this really interesting study on the black triangles years ago. And, you know, we can find that and post it somewhere so that people can read that stuff. It's pretty interesting stuff still. Yeah, man, with with all the progress that we've made with these congressional hearings. I mean, at one time we were trying to get Likatsky to testify in front of Congress, you know, and it was like, he wasn't sure if he could or would. But man, I would love to hear from him again. He just came out with a new book and I have not read it yet, but I'm going to read it and I think we should push him. I have it. He sent me a copy a few weeks before it was going to be out on Kindle. And yeah, I think we should push to see to talk with Dr. Likatsky if he'll come out in the open and play with us again. I think that's doable. Let's try our best. But anyway, thanks, George. I want people to go back and listen to Dylan's full testimony. Part one, part two, there have been some good questions posted online and we'll try to answer them. I'm going to like to hear Dylan's answers to some of the questions. But again, all of this stuff is so kind of wild. We just need to determine for ourselves, be critical thinkers and look for the people who are trying to just immediately dissuade you that he is somebody that shouldn't be listened to. Because I think there's a lot of good retorts to some of the weird stuff we're seeing online about him. Yeah, all of it very much expected, typical for witnesses, his stature to come forward with a story like this. I'm most encouraged by something that Dylan put out on social media that he and his wife have adopted a new cat and all homes should have cats. And the only thing better than one cat is two cats. So I'm encouraged by that. That cat will help him as he goes down the path of life and you need one too, Jeremy. I'm allergic, man. Me too. All right. Well, thanks, George. Have a good work day and we'll talk soon. .