Our Favorite 2026 Prospects and a Super Bowl NFL Draft Retrospective. Plus, Mailbag!

We've got a scattered, but I think really fun show today. We'll start with That's My Guy. We're bringing it back into the fold. Then we've got Super Bowl picks and a little bit of roster building talk. Finally, we answer questions. The mailbag portion for all of our subscribers and people who are part of this show. There's only 77 days until the NFL draft, folks. Mench, you still good? I'm good. Tucker, roll that beat, please. We're going to get some mailbag questions in today. I'm fired up for that. I always appreciate our subscribers and people who are, you know, family of the show, let's say, sending in some questions. We'll answer some of those. We've got Super Bowl picks and want to talk a little roster building for both of these organizations that made unbelievable leaps from where they were a year ago. Man, we're excited about this new partnership. This episode is presented by Scout Motors. Every new year, we do a lot of forward thinking and planning for what's to come. 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And when you're talking to them, you're like, oh, that's my guy. That's my guy right there. And so you get an affinity for some of these players. It's early. We're still watching tape. There's still a lot more guys that will become that's my guy down the road. But right now, some early leans on that, and I want to get in that discussion. Just a little scheduling very quickly. tomorrow I've got a full mailbag coming out in the newsletter. It's the McShay report. If you don't subscribe to it, please do Google it. The McShay report. It's the easiest way to get to it. Click throw in your email, subscribe. And like, if this doesn't get you going the mailbag, fine. But you know, it's going to get you going next week. Mock 2.0. I'm excited right after the Superbowl, man. What, what, give me a better time. all 32 picks the draft order is set now 31 now 31 instead of 30 of the nfl markets are miserable how do we get better for next season well it's officially draft season i know the draft starts in mobile but i mean now it's officially official so all right let's just dive right into it mench let's give people what they want let's go who are some of mench's guys give me the three just Just rattle them off however you want to do it. All right, I'm going to start with Utah tight end, Dalen Bentley, who started his career at Snow College. I'm not even sure where Snow College is. He had a very kind of quiet freshman year there, and then he transfers to Utah and promptly catches three passes for 20 yards over the next two seasons. Very underwhelming. And then this year, he breaks out. You're seeing it there, 48 catches, 620 yards, 12.9 yards per catch. I am blown away with the kid on tape. I think that he's when you let me put it this way. He probably had the best. We're talking about an ascending player. He had the best season of his career in his last season there. You probably had the best game of his career in his last game against Nebraska in the bowl game. But I want to point out one play that I think really talk shows what this kid can do. OK, this is against Texas Tech. It's the 55th play. When we say that, we're talking about the offense for Utah. So it's Utah's 55th play on offense. It's not overall. One of these days you're just going to write down the time code if you're going to reference it. The 55th play is probably late third quarter, early fourth. Go ahead. Right. So he releases on just a hitch route, right? And the quarterback gets flushed was right. And instead of staying stationary, he gets behind the linebacker, which is important because he wants to be in that blind spot. Finds a soft spot in the zone. Catches a pass that's thrown slightly behind him. nice up field and probably picks about 30 yards up after the catch i couldn't find a basketball background for this kid but when i watched him on tape all i can think is you had to play basketball for two reasons one he's a big frame kid he went down to the senior bowl he's six foot three he's 262 pounds you see that in the way he boxes out facing the quarterback he is a zone buster he's a guy that gives you a real big target against zone looks and the other thing is i love the way he drops steps when he's about to catch the ball facing the quarterback and puts himself in a position to produce after the catch. He's got shorter arms and sometimes that smaller catching radius shows up on tape. But man, I'm watching him. He's tough to tackle after the catch. He runs hard. For a guy who's that big, out of nowhere will he'll make a defender miss after the catch. I just think people are sleeping on him. I think he's a top five tight end in this class and I think he could go on day two. Ephraim, Utah, in San Pete County, founded in 1888, and 5,500 students. No disrespect to Snow College. But he didn't put up numbers there. Yeah, good. They deserve it. All right, who's your number two? That's my guy. I didn't know we were going to go all of my guys right away, but that's all right. You want to rotate? You want to go one-on-one? I don't care. Yeah, let's do that because I have one of your guys on my brain, and you know it, and I'm just waiting to get into that. And that's when the fireworks will start. But we shared our picks with Tucker so he could build these beautiful graphics that he's building, right? Yes. And you always think that some slight or I'm attacking you. What if I just happen to like a player that you think sucks and I'm staking claim in him? Blake Miller is that guy. Rage bait. This is what this is. It's not, this is not you. Don't pretend. Go ahead. I got four kids in this house from ages ranging from 10. Allaire just turned 10 a couple weeks ago to 16. I am well-versed in rage bait. Trust me. Blake Miller, number 78, the right tackle for Clemson. I actually thought he got off to a little bit of a slow start. I didn't think his best game was that LSU game earlier in the season. I'm not 100% sure, as you see here. on the screen if you're watching on netflix now or after the fact on spotify or if you're just listening on on apple or wherever else you listen to your podcasts uh there's a blake miller graphic up he's 6'6 315 pounds 53 college games played 3 655 snaps that's part of why i love this guy okay we're doing snaps with tackles now hey snaps equal snaps equal reps and i'm a reps guy um i didn't think it was his best game of the 53 college games he's played against lsu right off the bat hard to tell a couple of them are they breakdowns on him or is it was the protection set wrong uh but as the season progressed i thought he got better and better i love blake miller because it seems like everyone talks about the same names in offensive tackle francis maui noah right tackle or guard from miami spencer fano from from utah left tackle played right tackle projects as a left tackle very athletic still is getting bigger and stronger caden proctor gets a lot of first round love if you look around the the draft averse in mock drafts uh but every coach i've talked to which is two different coaches in the league and every scout i've talked to when they're talking offensive tackles in the first round it's freeling from georgia and blake miller from clemson and so i i when i had these conversations earlier in the year i'm talking like October, I went back and studied Blake Miller's tape. What I like about him is I know who he is. I talked to people inside the program. Kevin Kelly, by the way, who was a long time, one of the most trusted scouts and personnel people in the NFL over my 25 years, a guy who always had an eye for talent. He's now obviously he's got a bias now, if you will, but he's not going to have a conversation with me about a player and, promote all the things that he believes in if he doesn't actually believe in them. Tells me this guy never misses a practice. Leader of the offensive line room. As tough a guy in the weight room and around the building in terms of getting guys to play up to the level around him as he is on the field. And you see on the field, he's physical. He's a finisher. I think he moves well. I don't want to, like, he's not one of the Utah tackles, but he moves well enough. The 35-inch arms with that frame, with adequate movement skills, the toughness, the consistency, the experience, like, what else do you need? I'm not saying he's elite. I'm not saying he's a top-ten guy. I'm not saying he's Joe Ault. But I'm saying it's tough to find an offensive tackle that you think is going to be a plug-and-play starter in the NFL that you can get somewhere past pick 20, maybe 20, 25. Blake Miller is going in the first round, but I think you can get him in the bottom half of the first round. I love that value, and I love that I know who he is in a college landscape that is changing so quickly, and guys are bouncing around, and different things are happening in NIL. This guy is true to who he is. I like Blake Miller. Okay. I listen respectfully. I couldn't tell if your screen paused or if you were actually just listening respectfully. Because it seemed like you were in a little bit of a trance while I was talking. I'm trying to listen. I'm trying to talk at the same time. I was worried too. Yeah. I'm trying to maintain. First of all, I have high blood pressure for people who watch the show. and I'm trying to get in my zen place here before I absolutely pop off on this. I don't want to be overly harsh, and there's some very smart people who obviously agree with you, and I obviously have a ton of respect for how you evaluate players. You think you know who Blake Miller is. I think I know what Blake Miller is, and I think Blake Miller is not that good. He is beaten by speed off the edge. SMU plays 64. Sorry I don't have the time stamp, where he gets beat around the edge, and Kade Klebnik absolutely gets smoked. And for a guy who has all this experience, McShay, why is he having a hard time in the LSU game adjusting to some of those pressures? I don't know if it's him. I don't know if it's a protection set. And I already said it wasn't his best game. You did. I did. I'm agreeing with you. I don't think it was his best game either. North Carolina, play 21, play action. He's blocking his safety 10 yards downfield. Somehow they don't call it, but they will call that in the NFL. If you're a four-year starter, if you pick him. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Because this is the thing about him, okay? This is the thing in pass protection. You think he has okay movement skills. I don't think he moves that well. I think he gets beat by speed off the edge. I think he gets beat to the inside. And I think he gets beat by power in pass protection. I think he can be a liability. You also, I mean, you hated Will Campbell last year. So am I to trust you? I did not hate Will Campbell. I told you that he's probably going to be a better fitted guard. And I'll tell you right now, he is exactly who I said he was. Tell me one of the tackles that was drafted after him in the first round, outside of Simmons, who had some off-the-field stuff, but if he was clean off the field and was healthy in the lineup every game, it wouldn't even be close. All the offensive tackles drafted ahead of him would have gone earlier than him. Sorry, that's just the way it is. They've been way better as a pass blocker than Will Campbell has, who has struggled at times and maybe banged up. So where would you grade Blake Miller? I would have, I have Blake Miller as a fringe day two guy. I don't even think he's like, I have a hard time putting him in day two. I think his tape is that suspect. I have issues. This is going to be a fun draft season. It is. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if you want a new, if you want a new name, like Freeling's a relatively new name as a guy as an offensive tackle. Maxie and Achor, who I still don't think I'm saying his name right, is a relatively new name as a guy who's going to go in the first round. I don't know why we have to put Blake Miller in the first round because he's tough and he's played a lot of games. And there's a different – let me tell you something about the toughness, too. He's big. He plays with balance. He's got 35-inch arms. Oh, here's balance. He plays with balance. Listen, now you've got me worked up, so I'm just going to do it. Tell me – go back and watch play 53 against Florida State. Watch your guy climb to the second level, get out in space, and block no one. I could lift off 19 plays from Kelvin Banks a year ago. Kelvin Banks had a hell of a year this year. And then turn around and go over and step on number 31 like it's nothing. Goes over, and I hesitate to say stuff like this. I watched that play 15 times because it's really hard to tell what intention is. But this tough guy is going to walk over and step on someone's ankle after the play. Go back and watch it. Tell me I'm wrong. All right, move on. Go ahead. I have a 15-minute fight on Blake freaking Miller. There's a blood pressure. I'm sweating. You knew. I said when you put him on. I can't wait. This is intentional. How did that Ohio statewide receiver do last year? Emeka? Yeah. Yeah, he did pretty good. He wasn't as good as everyone thought he was. So I can't wait for Blake Miller to go in the first round and be a day one starter. Go ahead. Who's your next guy, guy? Who is right about that? Are you going to be this difficult for the next hour? Are you going to be this difficult? If you keep pushing my buttons like you are right now, yes. All right, moving on. Moving on. We're going to go with a guy who started his career as a walk-on at a Division II school, then transfers to Northern Illinois. And then after three years at Northern Illinois, transfers to Texas Tech, plays in six games, and is awesome. I don't care what the numbers say. It's awesome. We're talking about Skylar Gilhoward, the defensive tackle, who had the thick six for 55 yards against Kent State, where the way he tracks and pulls the ball out of the air, just a big man being an athlete. I love this kid. You can talk about the production this year. When he was a junior at Northern Illinois. Are you going to play him at Edge? Where are you playing this? Oh, I'm sorry. We don't play tackles that are 200. By the way, I had him at 290. Tucker, you really heard me. I had him at 290. But anyways, 52 tackles, 8 tackles for loss. You want an injured, undersized, barely six foot, when he actually gets checked into the combine, 285-pound defensive tackle. And you're bitching to me about Blake Miller. You know what the difference is, Todd? Do you know what the difference is? I want him in the middle rounds. I don't think he's a first-round pick. I'm not losing my mind saying that this guy should be a first-round pick because I like him and he had a productive year at Northern Illinois for one year. My guy doesn't have to be a first-round guy. We weren't just picking first rounders. As a matter of fact, I don't think my guys should be first rounders. Blake Miller's a third rounder for you, but go ahead. I have a third round grade on Blake Miller. I know you do. 100%. So I make no apologies for it. Are you ready for Gil Howard? Please. Doesn't stay blocked. He is, I call him. He's going to in the NFL with Blake Miller, 35-inch arms. He's going to erase him. Here we go. We'll see. That would be kind of new for Blake Miller. but anyways gill howard is a bare knuckle boxer with great instincts i mean you used to talk about this now i'm going to give you a compliment let's see if we could smooth things over after the start to this show good luck used to talk about instinctive interior defensive lineman and i was like this is just the myth you're playing in a shoebox how can you be that instinctive in locating guys but when you see it you know what mcshay is talking about with an instinctive defensive alignment and that's what this guy is he's six foot one he's not looking over anyone but he has a great feel for how teams are trying to block him where the ball's going and he sheds in the proper direction yes he's undersized he's also six one with a very explosive first step knows how to use his hands he's got good up body strength so he's a little harder to move out the ball if he was six four two ninety i would have more of a concern but he's got a kind of a squatter body type he's never going to be a high volume sack guy i understand that but he can be disruptive and he can affect the quarterback because he's relentless and he gets off blocks with those hands and he's quick he's tight has a hard time finishing that's why i don't think he'll ever be like a high volume sack guy but this is a dude i think he's flying under the radar because he's banged up for most of the year and you look at how stacked that texas tech uh defensive line was and the guy that came in to replace him aj holmes i think is going to get drafted early next year this is a player that I think might be flying under the radar a little bit but when you go back and watch the tape and you look at the resume he's a dude and by the way I love this nine younger siblings and it tells me without knowing a lot about his background yet and we'll get into that later on as the process goes that he's got a lot to play for he's a leadership studies major like the background on this stuff so far on leadership studies majors man don't don't discount that that where it got me, Jepson School of Leadership, University of Richmond. Got me sitting next to you getting screamed at. I done with you today I going to walk off today This might be the day All right my next guy Chris Brazled II not Junior II CB2 I called this early in the season. You did. Why isn't this cat being talked about as one of the top receivers? He had 62 catches, over 1,000 receiving yards this year, 16.4 average. When you look at it, he began his career at Tulane, redshirted, and then led the team in receptions 44 and receiving yards in 2023. Transferred to Tennessee, was fourth on the team in receiving yards. Maybe it was a tough transition. Yeah, but he sat behind Dante Thornton, Brew McCoy, and Squirrel White. And so he was kind of playing his role. finally gets to become the top dog and goes for over 1,000 receiving yards. Now, I don't want to get this twisted. He's a big receiver, 6'4". Actually, he's listed 6'5". My guess is he'll be 6'4 and a lot of change. But he's only around 200 pounds. So he's tall and he's lean. He's not the twitchiest after the catch or even as a route runner. But what he is, is he's a guy that's like sharp and sudden in his movements. The more I studied him, the more I gained an appreciation. Because everyone's going to tell you this. The Brazel is a, he just runs nine routes. He's a vertical guy. And yeah, he does that. And he does it really damn well. And people will tell you he's not a contested catch guy. Right? Only 38.9% on contested catches. That's a fact. I want to see him get bigger and stronger. This is why he's not a first-rounder. But when I'm looking at him, and it's different, like obviously Denzel Boston is just awesome on contested catches. Malachi Fields, same thing for Notre Dame. Carnell Tate broke out as a contested catch guy this year. All bigger receivers. Brazel's going to be a little different. But what I like about him is, and people are going to tell you that he doesn't catch the ball well. Early in his career, he had some drops. This past year, just two on 99 targets. So get that. The contested stuff's real. The drop rate you're going to hear about for his career, check it. It's not accurate. What I like about him is, son of an NFL player, I think he's actually refined as a route runner. And you know where he does his best work versus zone. It's like the cognitive stuff for receivers, I think, is so underrated. guys who like can just who can decipher what the coverage is whether it's zone or man and if it's if it's you know choice routes whatever it is but in this case i just think understanding where to be in zone understanding the soft spots and settling in also working back to his quarterback then kind of getting in and out of his breaks again he's not after the catch he's really not that big of a threat after the catch believe it or not but he's a four four i I would guess a 4-4-5 guy. It's 6'5", listed, 200 pounds. And I don't need a ton of catches, even though he had a good amount this year. I need the big plays. He's going to provide that. But I also think as an intermediate route runner and versus zone, he's going to be a guy that comes in and is pretty well equipped to excel. Now, get bigger, get stronger, a little bit more physical in the catch point. I think his game will continue to ascend. This is his first real season as the guy. and he went for over 1,000. He absolutely destroyed Georgia. We all know that. But there were other games where he was like, it wasn't just the one game. So Brazel, to me, I'm just intrigued. God only makes so many 6'5 receivers that can get vertical like that. Give me one of them, you know? In a passing offense, you've got a lot of big receivers who are the X receiver who do the physical things and out-muscle guys, and that's great. and we got a lot of them in this year's draft. There are nine guys right now, Mench, nine, that I would characterize as first and second round draft prospects. Brazzo's one of them. I would put him at like five, six in the list. But he's a player that kind of flew, for some reason, flew under the radar even when Tennessee was having – outside of that Georgia game, there just was not a lot of talk about CB2 this year. Yeah, it's kind of – I mean, maybe it's because of the – Aguilar was they were hot early on and Aguilar got a little consistent so maybe that was some of it but I I have no notes on this and give me a quarterback who can drive it down the field do him too yes I don't think he gets out of the second round we'll see how he runs and if there's a really disappointing time then we'll have it's going to be a different conversation I don't expect that I know I don't run really well and if he runs really well with that frame I'm with you all the way on that player I think I would be surprised if he gets out of the second round based on what we know now. Can I just throw in something on the side real quick and talk about that's my guy? What's up? I'm not that far away from absolutely hijacking Denzel Boston. No, you can't have him. I have to. All year. I'll trade anything for him. I actually think he might be the best receiver in this class i'm not done yet i'm not done yet i actually think he might be the best receiver in this class i know he's not going to run great in the 40 give me a give me anything sub four give me a four five two at his size and let me finish up my tape my tape tape i've done my lemon tape i want to finish up um my jordan tyson tape although i'm getting pretty deep into there i don't know man i know this isn't about that this isn't show this show isn't about that i'm just saying the only way i can hijack him is to do something brash and i'm not doing it for the for the splash of it all this is what about denzel boston is an nfl starter right away and like 80 catches what about him speed what you're not asking me right like i mean i've had him I've had him early the whole time. But I might have to trump him. All right, go ahead. We're going to have to do a study on how you feel about this wide receiver class. I'm interested to see what your rankings are on these guys because this is not like you. You're casting a wide net with this group. There's not a lot of guys you don't like. I love Jeremy Bernard for what he is. Second round, I trust him. I think Antonio Williams is vastly underrated coming out of Clemson. Yeah, you're not over-inflating value either. I really like Casey Concepcion for what he is. Slot receiver right after catch. Zachariah Branch. Branch is the ultimate guy. I love the big receiver. I think Malachi Fields is grossly underrated after watching him at the Senior Bowl and going back and studying his tape on the flight home. I love Tate. I really like Tyson. I love Lemon, but I recognize he's not 6'2", 6'3", 6'4", 6'5". I like them all. I think there are eight or nine receivers who are legitimately impact players as rookies and throughout their career. It's a fun receiver class. It is. I'm there with you in the depth, and I think we're going to talk about this more later, so I don't want to get into it too much. I'm there with you in the depth. I'm not there with you on these guys being necessarily the elite talent that should be necessarily definite top ten picks. I don't disagree totally, but I also think it's not a great top ten overall, so i'd rather take take a really good player but go ahead true all right we'll get into my next guy it's ucf edge central florida edge malachi lawrence who's had 19 and a half sacks over the last 36 games the last three years good not elite length i think he had 33 and a half inch arms so it's pretty good 33 and a half inch arms at the east west game i like how he works off contact i like how he's either going to shoot both hands or he's going to work a stab move and then work off of that to get off the block quickly. I think he's really good. I think he bends well and is able to, as you say, further the rush through contact. I messed it up. I had it earlier. How do you say it? Advance the rush through contact, right? There you go. Yep. Yes. So he's able to do that. I really like that. I think he closes well. I think he's a high motor guy. I already talked about the production he's he's a little bit leaner i would like to see him put on 10 to 15 pounds and play defensive end on a four-man front because one of his weaknesses is that he's tight in space and it can affect his ability to to finish as a pass rusher uh the other thing i will say is that right now as much as he does work off of contact i think this is a unique thing for him even when he works off contact he's always looking to to turn the corner he does not work inside enough i I want to see that part of his game develop. But in an edge class that I really like, if you're looking for a guy that could be in the middle rounds, I think he could be potentially a top 100 player. You could do worse than Malachi Lawrence. He's a guy to keep an eye on if you're not going to be able to get one of these edges early and teams value them so much. I think his best football is still ahead of him and he's got some really nice tools. It's interesting. You went with a UCF edge. It's not Nigel Kelly, who was at the scene. I know with the law of 35 and, in a quarter inch. Had a really good senior bowl too. I mean, both those guys can play, man. He's another one to keep an eye on. Both of those guys can play. This edge group, again, maybe not elite town at the top or as much elite town as you might have in other classes, but deep. There's a lot of depth in this class the more I get into it. I like it. I like how you're digging deep. My final guys are Mason Thomas. Edge from Oklahoma. I just love him. I love the way he plays the game. I know he's undersized. He's listed 6'2", 249. My guess is he's going to be like 6016, 255 at the combine. You see there that only the 18 tackles. Is he great versus the run? No, but he's disruptive enough. He's a really good feel for keeping blockers off his body. But if locked up in what we used to call a phone booth, and now we call it tight alley or closet or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, it's not going to be ideal for him. But I see guys like Nick Benito. That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, and then Nwosu is a comp. Dee Ford is another one that you'll see a lot, right, with the Chiefs. Those guys, Ford and Nwosu, have dealt with injuries. And obviously, our Mason Thomas is coming off the injury with a leg after the Tennessee return for a huge return that really swung that entire game and swung the entire season for Oklahoma. I just think certain guys know how to rush the quarterback. And one play, it's an outside-in move. The next one, it's dip and rip. the next one it's this hand-to-hand combat where like it's almost like jujitsu the next one it's speed to power like he does like everything that you want to see an edge deploy he's got in his bag he's instinctive he he has a sense for setting up offensive tackles and it's not like he played a small school or even like the acc He was doing this at the SEC level and against pretty good offensive tackles, right? And so, I don't know. I think certain guys, so much of it is about being slippery, and so much of it is about using leverage and having bend and having different ways to get offensive tackles off guard. And I think he does a special job of it. Now, we get this edge class. It's really good. another class kind of like the wide receiver class is better than we thought coming in the year and it's better than last year's the edge class last year all we talked about outside of shador and cam ward and then eventually jackson dart um was how great that edge class and the running backs running backs and edge we were talking position strength is edge running back running back edge well this year i think there are nine guys just like last year that could go in the first two rounds. And R. Mason Thomas isn't going to be one of the top guys. That's going to be David Bailey from Texas Tech. It's going to be the Miami guys, Bain and Mesidor. But I think when you get into that next tier of guys, that R. Mason Thomas is right there with him. I really do. And I hope he works out well. I hope he's not closer to 6'1 than he is 6'2. I hope he's in the mid-250s and not in mid-240s, all that stuff. but um but i think armason thomas is going to be a steal for a team because it's hard to get in the second round an edge rusher that's this refined and proven and i i think armason thomas is that guy yeah i think the numbers would be better if he was healthy the whole year i think that's true yeah that was nine games essentially what what that production was what i yeah right and and i'm not even sure he's healthy in some of those games but you know you you tell me uh i love the value of what he's going to be because i think he's going to go a little bit i think he should go where you have him and i think he's going to go a little bit later than that i think people are going to be scared off the frame about the frame they shouldn't be they shouldn't be scared about the frame we've seen benito was a second rounder right yeah but i mean do you think he'd be a second rounder if we redrafted that draft hell no so people get scared off by that frame they shouldn't they shouldn't uh depending on again you're right is he going to show up at 235 I don't think so. But if he's in the mid-240s or 250, I'm not worried about it. I'm not. And he's 6'2". I'm not worried about it because of the reasons you mentioned, the value for him. If you're taking a guy in the top 10, I want a guy who looks like Miles Garrett. We all do. Or a top five guy. You know what I mean? Or we want an explosive guy like some of the elite pass rushers that come out recently. But that being said, if you're talking about getting a day two guy and it's going to be R. Mason Thomas, sign me up. Sign me up for that kind of a value pick. all right i love i love that's my guy right but i also love super bowls man as our good friend pete suce used to say and it was his actual college thesis and in an effort to try to get awareness on how we shouldn't have classes or work on monday after the super bowl his call literally his college thesis like his thesis paper i don't want to know what grade he got on it was Super Bowl Sunday dot dot dot super indeed. 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And we appreciate our partners, especially with Scout and FanDuel. What they've done to step up to support our show is remarkable, and we're forever in debt. But roster building, before we get to the picks and who we like and maybe some ways to win some money, roster building. It's been fascinating to watch, right? the Patriots on one hand going through the lull they had didn't draft all that well even under Belichick for a while uh but the last couple years what a quarterback a left tackle and some other spots can do with handpicking some free agency walk me through what you've been most surprised Mike Vrabel the culture players first empowerment like there's a palpable energy when watching the Patriots, whether you do it live or on television. What has it been about the Patriots that stood out to you and what they've done with Elliott Wolfe as the general manager and Vrabel now as the head coach? Well, let's go back a year, right? I mean, how is this going to work? Is there going to be a healthy marriage here? Is this going to be good decision-making in a group that maybe was being thrown together a little bit? and let's be honest I mean they've done nothing but kill it you talk about the free agency and the and the veterans they brought in and the culture Milton Williams a defense tackle who they spent a lot of money on has been a closer in games when he's been healthy the run defense is different with him in the lineup I mean that's just one of the guys you want to talk about free agency but I don't know if people realize how much that that group just absolutely crushed the draft I mean we could we're going to talk about Will Campbell a lot but you got a guy I don't care what you say their starting left tackle is better than it was a year ago. So they got a starting left tackle. They got a starting left guard. They got two contributors on offense, and Kyle Williams at receiver and Trevion Henderson at running back. Then you get a safety in Craig Woodson in the fourth round, who's turned into a pretty damn good safety for them right away. So we talking about three starters and two contributors in one draft The first draft with Rabel there and the first draft with Rabel working with Elliott Wolfe like you can you can speak highly enough of the job that they did in terms of turning that roster over on the other side you've got you've got seattle right and mike mcdonald has has been a treasure and like what he has always done defensively but also as a leader we've seen now Right. I just John Schneider. I've told you I've known him for forever since I was a puppy in this business. He is one of the most respected evaluators. And I I remember calling Dan on the phone after last year after the big trade was made. You know, it was it was DK Metcalf out. It was Gino Smith out. It was bring in Sam Darnold. Acquire some extra picks. What what's what are we doing here in Seattle? And I sat there in my bedroom, actually, in a chair talking to Dan through a newsletter that I wanted to get out there because I just I know John well enough and I know the background. and it was brilliant. And if you could probably go in the McShay Report, you can go back and go in the archive and read that article from basically a year ago, almost to the date, like right around this time last year, maybe 11 months ago. And it was, it's almost like Bill Walsh, first of all, get out ahead of it. Geno Smith was one of the more underrated quarterbacks in the league for a long time, but aging, you know, 35, whatever the age is. And they made an offer they thought was reasonable, but it wasn't accepted. And so it's like, all right, time to move on. And then identifying Sam Darnold had one good year, didn't finish well. Are we going to bet everything on it? But we can get a guy for less money who's younger, who's more talented, and just had a big year, and bring him in and we're going to try to build this thing and we're going to build it with draft picks and we're going to build it with smart financial decisions and we have a coach that we believe in and all of a sudden now graze abel nick eamon warry you know you've got this draft class you've got you got sam you've got a team that you've been building quietly kind of behind the scenes and they knew that they were better in a lot of spots than people seemed to think and to see it all come together i honestly i thought it might be next year for seattle i didn't know it was going to be this quick but to see that happen and to know what john's now like with the extra with the draft picks and and the youth at quarterback they're built to last for the next few years man they really are no question i think the personnel story of the year is sam bradford i mean it costs one general manager his job by letting him go and it's sending another team or helps another super bowl what i say bradford yeah yeah terrible terrible sam darnold that is the that is the personnel story of the year i think yeah sam bradford not playing anymore is he out? 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And maybe I'm biased, but I got the Pats 21-20. I'm surprised by the spread. I will say that. I think it's four and a half. Is it still four and a half? Here's the thing that really kind of – here's why it surprises me. And tell me if you agree with this. I love Sam Darnold. I almost said Bradford again I almost did it I love Sam Darnold And I love Mike McDonald But I think New England has the edge At head coach and at quarterback It may not be that big of an edge But I do think there's an edge there I think that maybe people are sleeping On the New England defense a little bit still Which surprises me Four and a half just seems way too high Just seems way too high With the way Vrabels coach this team And the role they've been on And I know Seattle's done the same thing, man. I have a lot of respect for that Seattle team. And it scares me for Seattle's going to attack the left side of that young rookie offensive line, the left guard, Jared Wilson, and Will Campbell at left tackle. They're going to attack them. And they have a damn good defense. A damn good defense. And I think those are going to be some of the storylines in the game. Drake May, can he make plays with his feet? Has that left side of the offensive line stand up? Who's the better coach in this game? it's going to be all the things that come down to a Super Bowl. I just think that there's enough there to lean New England, but I think it's going to be a good game. I like New England with the points. I think four and a half. I think it's going to be a close game. I actually do. I think Seattle's a damn good team. Are they capable of winning by 10? Yeah, they're capable. But I don't think New England's going to shy away from anything. I think this is a gritty New England team. I actually think they can. I think this is more of a toss-up than like the money. I think the money lines, it's like almost plus 200. It's like plus 195 for New England. I don't think it's that big of a mismatch. And I do find it interesting. There's people who love Seattle. Well, you got New England. You got New England that played this lousy schedule all regular season, right? Then in the playoffs, you got the first quarterback to beat three top five defenses to go to the Super Bowl. Now, granted, it's also the youngest quarterback. He'll be the second youngest quarterback ever to play in the Super Bowl behind Dan Marino, and if he were to win it, he'll be the youngest ever. So you have to factor that in. And what's going on with the shoulder? And he had the flu last week. So there's a lot to factor in there. But I do find it interesting that Seattle all of a sudden is this super team in a season where we all were talking about how there's so much parity and it's not like in previous years and the Chiefs are out of it and the Eagles aren't what they were. You know what I mean? But now they're a super team. Yeah, it's also the Darnold narrative is really interesting because he's awesome and I'm so glad that he's doing well. If Seattle wins on Sunday, you better bet on Monday I'm coming out with the biggest FU of all time. As you should. I took so much heat for so long on Sam Darnold. I've been quiet. Yep. He won't, but he should. I get the feeling that he won't do it, but he should. I'll do it for him. I'll say this, though. The narrative, like, he was so good in the NFC Championship game that we seem to just be putting to rest any flaws and weaknesses, and now he's arrived, and we're going to get that version. Ted Darnold every single time. I keep doing it, man. But we're going to get him every single time. Yeah, we're going to get that every single time, and I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not sure that people understand two things about the Patriots defense in this game. They have been in on absolute heater. I think the defense backs are going to have a hard time matching up with Seattle's receivers, Rashid Shahida specifically. I know JSN's the guy. That number two matchup of Carlton Davis versus Shahid's the one that, if I'm a New England fan, I'm worried about. But they are as good as any other team in the league at being able to compete with that receiving core as good as it is and the weakness of the seattle offensive lines the interior and i'm not sure people around the country understand how deep and talented with with christian barmore and milt williams they have dudes up front and then they have tonga and durden who have played at an extremely high level this year you're taking away the middle you're potentially taking away the middle of that run game like i don't know man i think it's going to be probably a low scoring game but i'm not sure people understand how good the new in the defense has been i've got a four-leg parlay that i played today oh here we go here we go and it doesn't include a one i've got i've got another one i played a couple things just have you know have some fun this four-leg parlay is plus 815 four things have to happen drake may rushes for 40 plus yards i think he's going to be on the move in this game i think it's going to be i agree sam darnold this one's going to surprise you rushes for 10 plus yards i don't hate it i actually think in that one's the tough one stefan digs with 30 plus receiving yards you know how good he is versus zone versus man to man yeah i like that that one that seems like the and cooper has been oh jason yeah keep your mouth shut and cooper cup has been quietly really productive in the postseason after you know kind of on and off throughout the season 20 plus receiving yards so darnold plus 10 rushing may plus 40 rushing digs plus 30 rushing cup plus 20 uh digs plus 30 receiving and cup plus 20 receiving i you know what i'm hot on what i'm gonna put five or 10 on and i don't want that i should have looked at what the odds are but a punt return touchdown. Marcus Jones and Rashid Shahid are like two of the best to ever do it. I think you're getting terrible odds for something that there's terrible odds on. I think it was like plus 1,500 is the last time I looked at it. I mean, it's still, it's as good as they are, there's still going to be pretty good odds on getting a punt return touchdown. Hoping for a Desmond Howard moment. Alright, let's transition. You got those questions for us, right? Plus 800 on fan. Fan deals plus 800 plus 1,500. It's plus 800? Yes. Oh, it's gone down. People have been hitting it, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm telling you, it's gone down. I'm telling you. Just last night we were talking about it. So it was cut in half. Yeah, Tyler was in on it. By the way, Tyler tells me he's making one bet. Tyler who, like, cannot stop himself. I mean, it's all like little bets, but Tyler tells me to make one bet during the Super Bowl. I was like, yeah. What is it? No way. I forget what it was. He did have something. It was one thing. And I was like, bro, you'll make 15 bets if you make one. Yeah, he's got heads or tails. Heads on grass, tails on turf, by the way. All right, go ahead. What are the questions? Mailbag time. Hey, Todd Mench, big fan of the show. Do you think more Ohio State Buckeyes or SEC players go in the first round? That's from Chris Russo. Chris Russo. I get where you're going with this. This is kind of you, Chris. Let me guess you're a Buckeyes fan. um it's not a good year for the sec i'll be honest three straight national championships for the big 10 and the big argument that you could always fall back on as a draft guy is well more talents in the sec every year and by significant marks like first round overall by like 20 25 30 like over the years it's been significant the difference not this year Ohio State, the way I see it, there's four locks that go in round one. That's Arvel Reese, Carnell Tate, Styles, and Caleb Downs. Yes. Not in that order. There's so many. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of them. There's something that are going to go early. Caden McDonald is a possibility late in the first. Could go early second. defensive tackle. I wouldn't hate it if he went late in the first, man. Yeah. The SEC, on the other hand, so that's four to five. The SEC, on the other hand, as I look through it, is I'd say six to nine overall. But Reese and Tate and Stiles and Downs could possibly. I don't think it's probable. But I would bet three of those guys come off the board before and an SEC guy does, and Mansour Delane, as it looks right now, the cornerback from LSU. Go ahead. And where's Kildare Falk in all this? It seems like he's falling down the board. Yeah, we'll see. We've got a lot of time left. He's only 20. The sack production's not there, but he's got a lot of years to develop. Not to criticize Chris, but I would have loved if the question was, more Ohio State players in the top 15 or more SEC players. I think it's a blowout for Ohio State in the top. Oh, it's a blowout. Mansoor Delaney and Jermaud McCoy are the only ones I could see possibly getting in the top 15. It could be 4-0, Ohio State. Yeah, it could be. It's probably going to be 4-1, 4-2. C.J. Allen, linebacker from Georgia. Monroe Freeling, also from Georgia offensive tackle. Keldrick Falk, you mentioned Auburn Edge. Caden Proctor, I'd say more likely than not in the first round when we get closer after he works out. But then the three guys I would say right now are possibilities, but certainly not locks. Colton Hood, we just saw at the senior bowl, the cornerback from Tennessee. Cassius Howell, undersized edge rusher, but an absolute terror this past year for Texas A&M. And also from A&M, the wide receiver, Casey Concepcion. Nine would be the most, as I see it right now, but I'm guessing it's going to be closer to like seven. Yeah, I had eight to four. so I don't think it's close in the first round, but early, it's all of Iowa State. All right, next one. Ready? Yep. In a perfect world, I think the best route for the Rams is to take a guy they like at quarterback and let him sit behind Stafford for one to two years with McVay. I have my eyes set on Ty Simpson and Garrett Nussmeier. Do either of you prefer the fit of one quarterback over the other? Hmm. I think Ty Simpson's more talented. The production and tape are definitely better this year. I mean, this year. Even if the best of that seven-game stretch, I know it was the first nine he was outstanding, but let's say eight-game stretch, even after Florida State, versus the best eight games of Nussmeier's career, edge Ty Simpson. I agree. Ty's a little bit more mobile. I think Ty's got a little bit more juice in his arm. I think they both grew up in the game. One's a college head coach's son. The other one's a son of an offensive coordinator, a quarterback coach, an NFL quarterback. And I certainly think edge to Nussmeier in terms of instincts, deciphering all that, but not that big a gap, and they're both just damn good at those things. i listen man i don't tell me if you don't do this too but like i'll be doing things like grocery shopping i'll be in the shower picking up stella from school whatever it is and i'll start thinking to myself about where i have guys ranking and i cannot ranked i cannot get your voice out of my head about the snaps and it's starting to really scare the hell out of me with simpson as i know i i love the run like that that run that you talked about and i agree with everything you just said it is really starting to scare the hell out of me now if he goes in this situation and he sits for a year i think that that softens the impact of that maybe but man i don't it's just mac the ghost of mac jones it's right there i don't know man and i know they're different players i don't want to get into that argument i know i know i know it's not a comp but when you look at the school the one year, that's what I'm talking about and it's just, I don't know the longer this process goes the more scary I get about it yeah I think one I think one is going to require a first round pick, the other is going to require a second, if you're a Rams fan I think either way I'd rather Ty Simpson, I'd rather Ty Simpson, period I'm not going to freak out if the Rams, if anyone else did, without their situation and their offensive coach in McVay, if anyone else took Ty Simpson in the 13 range, I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. But with Stafford playing one year or maybe even two more years, and with McVay there, I think it feels to me like it's the best path for Ty Simpson's success in the NFL. Flash forward, Los Angeles, California, first night of the draft, on the ringer set, and with the second overall pick, the Jets select Ty Simpson out of Alabama. Nothing would make me happier to see that reaction. It wouldn't make me happy long term because it's not the right thing. I don't think so either. But man, watching you go no, no, no, no would be would be pretty fun. All right. We're going on to question number three. My question is regarding how you guys how you guys and NFL teams view different rounds of the draft and value Do teams automatically assume a first rounder is a starter and a sixth is a backup and does it vary by position I think this is a good time. I think you do a really good job of this, but it's a good time to remind people maybe of how our grading system works and how you view different grades in different rounds. Yeah, when we started this thing like 25 years ago with Gary Horton, who started it as the War Room, And we had a grading scale that it was a lot more similar or equivalent to what we've come to know a lot of NFL teams have. I know we know guys with the Ravens over the years, like the 6.8, 6.1. But then we got to ESPN, and they wanted to make it more reader-friendly, and we did a 100 scale. So basically anything in the 30s was considered like 31 to 39 was a set. Essentially became a seventh rounder all the way up to like nine, 90 to 100, which we never had a hundred player became a first rounder. And so it became like equivalent to but it wasn't always like we may only have, you know, 12 first round grades and there's going to be a bunch of guys that that we would mock in this. Anyway, long, short, we always grade by, like, this guy is in the 90s to us is going to be like a Pro Bowl player for whatever that is these days after watching that fraud of a flag football game. But you know what I mean? Like, selected is perennial or unanimous All-Pro. And then we've scaled it back from there. Let me simplify this for you. In like all things and kind of 30 foot, 30,000 foot view. When you're drafting a player in the first round, there's so much concern about that player not hitting that. I do think there's some paralysis by over analysis sometimes, but I do think the risk is so great with the money that you're paying that rookie versus the money you're paying. There's a huge difference between the 10th pick, which is going to be upwards like high $30 million range over a four year contract and a handful of million for the 40th pick, right? The first round pick you can't afford to miss on because you believe he's going to be a starter and hopefully an impact player and hopefully like a star on your team. But at the very least, you better be a good starter for you. The second round, I still believe it's absolutely starter. Ideally, it's starter from day one. This is all positions but quarterback. quarterback is you're dropping the first round he's going to start year one draft him in the second or third you're planning on developing and be a starter uh but under with an understanding that probably not you know probably not going to be a great starter and it's so rare to find someone outside the first round these days even though you have the brady examples and the brock purdy examples and jaylen hurts maybe yeah yes um but all other positions second round is going to be a good starter and they got to start right away third round is usually kind of now all right is it uh is it a sub package role like a nickel corner but some special teams value but like you're still planning on that guy being a starter in some capacity or a significant contributor then you get the day three and as the rounds go on it is it's absolutely like backup role player but obviously you want to hit on all these guys like you know but but then you get into i think in the second round you're a lot more likely to take a risk on a talented player that has first round talent with an injury or a character concern or something like that i think when you get in the fourth fifth round it's about traits uh specialization developmental upside um yeah one of the two it's this developmental upside i see something in him or he's not yet there and but but we think we can in our system with our coaching staff we can rise him up the other hand it's a specialization thing it's a kickers punters long snappers but more importantly i mean like he could play a role on our team we need depth we could use a number four or five receiver but he also can help either in the return game or as a gunner you know so that's what what kind of goes into the people's mind you know nfl evaluators minds when it comes to that day three how do you feel about giving a quick hit on positional value and how that might affect how a team drafts or maybe how you draft let's put it this way let's say you have a 92 on a jeremiah love and a 90 on reuben bain maybe not the best example do you even like you know people always like just trust your board take the best player on the board i think that's and tell me if i'm wrong i think that's kind of when you get into the coupling scenario of we can have Ruben Bain in the first round and pick a running back that you like in the second round, maybe in Nick Singleton. I don't know. Pick a running back that you like good value in the second round. Do you necessarily just take the best player on your board? It shouldn't affect your grade, right? It should not affect your grade. I think a lot of teams are going to have their highest graded player is Jeremiah Love. But they might not draft him, right? I mean, they're, they're, well, yeah, it's only for teams that actually have a need at running. But if you have a starting running back or two guys that you feel really good about, it's hard to pass up on a position, you know, a positional player. But that number better be like touching each other. So like, yeah, for us, a 93 better be touching a 92 or else we're starting to take player like Reuben Bain isn't good enough for me to not take Jeremiah Love unless I have a star running back already. it you know yeah and then you're trying to trade out i mean there's a lot of factors that go into it what's unique about this class man three of the highest graded players are at positions that we can wide that are widely considered like not that valuable there's not positions of value or positions of priority however you want to phrase it running back jeremiah love linebacker arvel reese safety caleb downs so it's going to be an interesting year with a lot of teams i think trying to trade back, but good luck finding a dance partner. Yeah, right. Here we are. Next question. I want to ask about the running back class this year. Yep. I've heard, I've seen her that it's a weaker class. I'm not really sure that's the case anymore, but I think it was at one point, but I really enjoy watching some of the guys behind Jeremiah Love, who's obviously that guy like Jadarian Price, Emmett Johnson, DeMond Claymore, and Seth McGowan. Do any running backs or other projected day two, three guys stand out as backs who can have an immediate impact in a specific role in the league? I'll let you handle a lot of this question, but I'll say this. I think you touched on a lot of the guys that I would put in there, starting with Jadarian Price. I think he's going to have an immediate impact in the role that he's going to play. I think he's used to playing that number two role. Go ahead. And in the return game. I think he's a guy that could carve out a role pretty quick. uh emma johnson out of nebraska i really like to two other guys and one was at the senior bowl or two or both were at the senior bowl one is like i'm really high on now and i think he's i'm just to see how well he runs because he had drew fabianus just released the zebra technology and mike washington from arkansas at 228 pounds was the fastest player on the field that week uh and then you look at his tape and his production and i i just think there's a he's I think he's going to be a day two back. And I'm not sure that was the case. Which is saying a lot because there were only six guys last year in one of the best running back classes we've ever evaluated. Right. So I think he could be a day two guy. The other guy that I just can't get out of my mind, and I'm not sure he's going to go in the second or third round, but if he's there early day three, I'm having a hard time saying no. And that's Katron Allen out of Penn State. We talked a lot about Nick Singleton and how he'll probably be the first Penn State running back off the board, and I get that because he's going to run better. Keaton Allen ran for over 4,000 yards at Penn State. He had 39 touchdowns. They trusted him more. But he's also – I get that, and you're right. His instincts are so far greater than that of Singleton's. And he kissed the ball. I'm giving you this answer because we questioned it, and I'm telling you this is the factual answer that I've gotten to the bottom of. There was a trust level with Keaton, recognizing he doesn't catch the ball as well, recognizing he's not as explosive. they just didn't trust Singleton the way they trusted Catron Catron when it was blocked up got it Catron sticking his nose in it not dancing around not looking for something extra he just took what was available and that's what they needed and that that's what they went with and they love his instincts they love his toughness they love all those things they recognize he's not the big play weapon but you know what Remondre Stevens is not the talent that Travion Henderson but I promise you this Remondre is going to get more touches in the Super Bowl and Travion is probably going to play a role and he might have a 55 yard run might break that sucker open right but there's different roles and so when we're talking about roles that's that's what you're looking at with Penn State that's the why behind it just like Jadarian Price is going to play a different role while still valuable than that of Jeremiah Love there are a couple other guys that I like in the role and I like for the value Le'Veon Moss I still think is talented can he stay healthy but you bring him in as your number two, number three back with a day three pick, probably. There's only six backs went last year. I don't know that Le'Veon Moss is going to be one of the first six backs off of the board if we even have six backs drafted in the first three rounds. Moss is intriguing to me because the talent is there. I really, really am intrigued by Adam Randall, a guy who's been a full-time running back for one year and improved that much. At 233 pounds, 6'2". He is a big dude. Standing next to him on the field, man, you and I, he was like, which one of these doesn't look like the others? Right. And then he was one of the fastest players, you know, after the first two days on the Zebra technology. And I also have this weird appreciation now for Kalen Black from India. Oh, yes. I don't know how I didn't think of him. And it's in the right system, reading blocks, as you said, like hugging his blockers, protecting the ball, pad level. I don't know. I just think he's going to be a day three pick that may wind up next year as a rookie. We're like, man, Black should have gone earlier. Yeah, I think those are three good values. Again, I keep saying it. There's some depth in this class. It's not the elite running back class that we saw last year, but there's some players I really like. Those are three guys that I think could be really good values. That was from Ben L., by the way. I don't know if I mentioned that, so thanks, Ben. Number five, in your minds, how big of a drop-off is there between the first and second tier of wide receivers this year? In other words, is there a big talent difference between Denzel Boston, Denzel Boston, kind of answered this, and the likes of Casey Concepcion, Chris Basil II, Chris Bell, etc.? That's from Travis and Kenny Bunk. I think here's the difference to me. The first four can kind of do it all with the caveat that Mekhi Lemon from USC doesn't look like the other three. The other three are in whatever order you have them. Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, Carnell Tate from Ohio State, and Denzel Boston from Washington. Denzel Boston is your true ex-big physical, not going to run great, but my gosh, is he talented. I talked about him earlier on the show. Carnell Tate is taller, not as tall as Boston. I don't think. I think they're like a half an inch or an inch difference. Maybe not. I don't think he is, yeah. I don't think he's quite as tall. He's not as thick on tape, but still like contested catches. I would say Tate is a little more of like smooth, fluid. I don't know. I love both of them. um jordan tyson is also a bigger guy but more like debo bigger than he is six four you know and then you got lemon who's 511 and change but he's 196 and he's he's thickly built and my goodness everything everything that lemon does he looks like he's on a on rails remember the old saying like the 80s like corners like it's like it's on rails talking like a ferrari or something he's not but he's not a 4-3 guy he might not he might be mid four fours high four fours but everything's sudden and on a rail there's no wasted motion he catches the ball so everything is clean pluck on the run like the contested catch against iowa the tracking the ball vertically beautifully he is the cleanest pass catcher i'm not saying he has the strongest hands or the best this or that, just the cleanest of the receivers I've done at least. Then you get to the second group. We've talked about it. Those are more fit your role. We talked about Brazel, who's the vertical receiver, but he's not going to be great contested, catch all that, but he's still super talented at 6'5", 200. Casey Concepcion, punt return specialist, in addition to yards after catch. pretty good intermediate but like yards after catch get him the ball a little bit of space branch is like i think just i think he's conception but like yeah lightning you know um antonio williams is is not he's going to be your z receiver slot receiver type but i think he can run some some really good intermediate routes he can do some things beyond what they asked him to do when he was able to do it um at at clemson jeremy bernard is not going to be super fast not great versus man-to-man if you go look at his splits outstanding one of the best receivers in the country versus zone soft spots reliability working back to the quarterback all those things chris bell is getting a lot of aj brown comps i don't think he's not that talent wise but he looks like him and he's supposed to run the four threes as you mentioned and he's a big-time player after the catch, but also with size. I think I mentioned all of them. That's a – oh, and Malachi Fields. One guy. Yes, that's what I was going to ask you. 6'4", 2'18". My goodness, does he look like a star-wide receiver. And then the ability to adjust the ball down the field. So this class is a lot of fun. There's a lot of different types, but you can almost break them into like – You got the big guys and you got the more versatile, smaller guys. And then don't all do the same exact things, but there's two different groups. Yeah, and I think we're missing a big part of the puzzle right now, and we'll get into this when the time comes. But this is what's going to be fascinating about Indy. I can't wait to see who works out and how they work out because there are a couple guys in that second group. I don't think anyone's going to pass the top four. I don't think anyone's going to crack the top four. But there's some guys in that group that I think, and Brazl's one that I have my eye on, who could bridge the gap from maybe being a tier two guy to a tier one guy. It'll be interesting to see. Like if Malachi Fields stuns the world and runs super well, I mean, this all of a sudden, that'll be fun to see what happens there. And we'll talk about that as we get closer. All right, this is a fascinating last question here for you here, McShay. we got a Patriots fan and Austin Hurley wants to know I'm wondering about how this draft could set up long term plans with the offensive line I don't know why he would ask that sorry Todd more of a Steve question so maybe I should just handle this one I like Will Campbell as a leader on the team but after watching his rookie season I feel like this show just got fucking hijacked are we even doing this he has struggled by the way Austin Hurley also my burner name And he says, struggle to not only after the injury, with the upcoming draft and what seems to be a deep tackle class. I mean, you seem to like, I mean, you're just throwing guys the first round now. If the patch would be best served to draft the tackle at hopefully the 32nd pick in the first round. Austin, picking ahead there. I like it. The plan would be move Campbell to left guard and move Jared Wilson back to his college position at center. Garrett Bradbury apparently on the way out. Sorry, Garrett. Love the bot pod and can't wait for the 2027 draft. I mean, I know he's asking me, but what do you think, Todd? Do you think that they should target the left tackle at the end of the first round if a Monroe Freeling's there? I think we're taping on Wednesday night for the show to come out on Thursday. I think it's 7 p.m. Eastern time. I think it's date night in the McShea house. And I'll still give you five stars, Mitch. I'm out of here. Must be 21-plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino. Or 18-plus and present in D.C. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts. or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.