358: Feds Looking Into Ellen Greenberg, Barry Morphew News, & Man Stabs Wife, Calls Son to Confess

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That's the realreal.com. Terms apply. Hey, Drew Kreme Besties, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialist Suite. Hello, hello, hello, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialist Suite with me, your host Annie Elise. We've got headline highlights today. There is so much to go over. I probably just blew out your ears when I said it that way, sorry. But hope you guys all are having a good week so far. I'm probably about to ruin it because these stories are beyond grotesque. I mean, the stories we're going over today, the cases we're going over, it's just like, eh, what is wrong with people. I know we said last week that I was hopeful for humanity because we had a little bit of a light week in terms of how many cases we're out there. That is not the case this week. There were unfortunately too many to choose from. So we are going to get into all of it. We are of course going to start like we normally start with updates to cases that we have previously discussed. But before I get into that because I definitely want Amy to weigh in on some of those updates, let's welcome back. Amy, call that to the show. The intro keeps getting grander and grander. No, I know there's a drumroll. I know, I feel like maybe it's time to reel it in. No. And we fixed Amy's mic so I'm here and I'm hopefully much clearer. Yes, because it was a little echoey that was my bad. So we'll not my bad, but the XLR cable is bad. So we're back, we're back and we've got a lot to talk about. I know, well, and the polls are in from Instagram, like are we shaving your head today? If you don't find that's a helpful note, a little called action. If you don't follow me on Instagram, you definitely should. It's at underscore Annie Elise because I'm sharing a lot of my like private life there. And yes, over the weekend or early this week, I guess it was, I posted a reel. I have been in crisis. I don't know what color to color my hair. I always this always happens. I love the family's comments because it was they're like, well, you've now been wrestling with this for a while. So we can tell it changes and then. Yeah. So in it, I kind of went a little drastic, bought a lot of wigs, did a try on haul. And I will say, bangs are not for me, but I had it. But I was dying when you all of a sudden just popped your head back up and there's this mermaid hair with bangs and then you kept adjusting them. And I'm like, please stop doing that. Please. No. I'm like, but here's the thing better than me going through this crisis and cutting real bangs. Oh, I would be here for the real bang. No, I don't have the forehead for that. And then you'd have to do m's again. Oh, you could just have twin haircuts with your boss. Oh my God. We would be twins. It was so cute. And you could go dark. We can be twins without the bangs. Or as Annie would say, the bangs. But I don't have the forehead for bangs. Also, I bowed to my forehead too much for a while. It's like, what's the point? I felt like that was definitely where I started going, oh, we're going down. This is different than just going dark. Yeah, because that's the thing. We're talking about bangs. And then we talked about shaving the head, which I have to tell you. I don't think we've ever had this conversation. And people are going to kill us because here we are now three minutes and 37 seconds into the intro. I have seriously considered shaving my head. I think you would look great. Well, here's the problem. I have seriously considered shaving my head multiple times. Here's my reservations. I think that first, I would look a little too aggressive with the tattoos. I would look like that character from Orange is the new black and succession. What's their name? Asia something. I would look a little aggressive, I think. But I also would look psychotic because of the scar on my head. That would make you look better. No, I would look like GI Jane or something, but not in a good way. So for those of you who have not are a little newer to the podcast, I had brain surgery when I was 16 years old and they had to cut me open from ear to ear. And so I have a very gnarly scar. You can sometimes see it like right now with my hair up a little bit, I guess, but it goes all the way from ear to ear. So if I shaved my head, I would look like, what's that? It's not said from Toy Story, but he plays with like this psychotic doll that has staples in his head. Like that's what I would look like. Like Pee, yeah, you'd definitely be a conversation starter. One that you probably wouldn't want to have over and over again. That's wrong with your fucked up head. I'm here for you trying to go dark again because I feel like I always like to do a dark hair, but I don't think extensions are the answer because the last time you got extensions, they lasted 36 hours and then you took them out of your hair and put them in my. True, true. Well, okay. So here's where I landed. Okay. I think I'm going darker, but I'm not going as dark as I was at my wedding. Okay. I did a little bit of research, color analysis. And I don't know if this is true, but apparently I'm a soft autumn. I'm going to put it in the hell that means. I could see that. So I'm going to do like, and I hate this word, but I'm going to say it in the cringe way. Caramel. I hate when people say it doesn't make you want to vomit. I have thick. I know. So do I. But I think I'm going to do the Haley Bieber brown where it's like more of a golden brown, a blonde, if you will, a blonde, if you will. Okay. Where it has like some caramel caramel. Have for the hell you say it. You bought hate us right now. I know. Like those kinds of highlights. We'll see. Okay. I like the idea of having healthy, shiny hair. And I don't think I'm going to get that with platinum blonde if I were to go back to platinum. Definitely not. I was like, I had some reality checks for myself, like somebody recently commented on the real a Theodore and I from when we did our little mock show in here and I looked at my hair. I think you were in the same outfit, weren't you? Played me. You're wearing me now. Played me. I was. Jesus. I ain't standing. Well. No, I just had a flush. Let's get started. Yeah. I know. Okay. Sorry guys. Here we are. Six minutes and 22 seconds again. People are going to be like, why don't you just shut up? You fucking idiot. Okay. So let's start with another effing idiot. Barry. More few. Now, I don't know if you know a whole lot about this case. I hate Barry. We hate Barry. We hate his name. We hate everything about him. But back in June of 2025, we also know that after all of this back and forth since 2020 of him being arrested charged, then let go of these things. A grand jury re-indicted Barry on first degree murder charges for the murder of his wife, Suzanne Morphew, who went missing on Mother's Day of 2020. He said she went out for a bike ride, never came home. So many shady things within his version of events. In my opinion, he has not been convicted and found guilty. But a lot of shady things with like his story about the chipmunks, which was so reminiscent of Chad Daybell saying he was shooting raccoons. He said he was chasing chipmunks. I think he was chasing Suzanne around the property. The tranquilizers, all these things. So moral of the story, a grand jury re-indicted him back in June of 2025. Suzanne's remains had ended up being found in September of 2023, which was about a year and a half after the first charges against Barry were dropped. Now when her remains were found, they also had forensic testing done. And when this was done, it showed a quote, cocktail of tranquilizers that were found in her bone marrow. Bringing you back to the original case really quickly too, when they searched the house, they found not a tranquilizer dart, but a piece of it inside the washing machine, which called action also, you know, a la Jody areas with the SD card from the camera. I don't know why people think the washing machine is going to like wash away physical property. But I've never understood that. No, it's like you are dumb, dumb, dumb. So they found that tranquilizer piece. And I was like, oh, yeah, he tranquilizer chased her on the property and then ultimately killed her. My opinion, again, has not been convicted. Now, fun fact, this testing showed that she had this cocktail of tranquilizer drugs in her system, which all three tranquilizers that were found in her system are only typically used in animals, never people. Also Barry had like the only prescription for these in like the whole county or something like that. We did a huge deep dive. You can go back and listen to that. You will link it in the show notes, but trying to bring you up to speed for those of you who are unfamiliar with Barry and what happened there. It's a wild case. So anyway, now fast forward to now in January. And Barry was in court on January 12th for these new first-degree murder charges or the murder, first-degree murder charge, I should say. And to absolutely nobody's surprise, he pleaded not guilty. Again, which this is officially the second time now that he has formally denied the charge since the re-indipement. And I have to say to his daughters have been sticking by him through thick and thin, believing that he's innocent, that he has nothing to do with this. I don't know if that's because they're in denial and don't want to lose another parent. I would have to assume so given what I think is the stacking list of evidence against him, but they have stood by him. So Barry waved his right to a speedy trial and the court has set his trial date for October 12th, 2026, meaning we are officially back on track to seeing a full trial against this sheep, loser, fucking moron, Barry Morphew, and getting justice for Suzanne. And I have to say, you heard it here first. We will be at that trial. I will be at that trial. Wow. I am so invested in this case. It is one of the first cases that I ever covered, ever over on YouTube on anything. I feel like a wood you rather is coming. Like of what trials I want to go to. I know. Like people you hate the most. Oh, we'd be here all day. I don't know. I hate a lot of the boys. And it really was Barry was up there. Oh, he is up there because I think he is such a grifter, loser, and that he felt so entitled because Suzanne was going to finally leave his story as she had a boyfriend. He is playing innocent. And again, different cases, different strokes, but similar parallels with Chad Debel. That is exactly what I was going to say. Chad Debel, Barry Murphy, and then I was going to put Chris Watts on that list. That would be a hard one. I couldn't do the Mary F. Kill. I would have to do the Kill Kill Kill. Because there is no other option. Honestly, I don't condone my lens. So yeah, we are going to follow this and we will be at that trial. Another not fun fact, more of a nightmare fact. And I put this in my notes because you know how you forget dreams. But like if you want to remember you have to type it out, I had a dream last night. And Barry Murphy wasn't it. And I think it's because I was getting fully caught up on what's going on, but we were on a cruise ship. Oh god. No, I know. It was a nightmare. No, it's getting worse by the minute. We're on a cruise ship at a blackjack table. I don't know if it was a better, yeah, warmer. And he was there with some other person who now it's like, I was friends with her and I knew her. And she was the connection to him. And like, so I was trying to like be like play nice. But basically I was trying to like be nice to him and hear him out to like see like, okay, let's do an interview. Like get on camera. Let me ask you like the hard-hitting questions. But he was at the blackjack table saying he's innocent that he had nothing to do with it. Then as dreams happen, it got really weird. And I went in an elevator the whole top of the skyscraper broke off and it went in the ocean. I was in the ocean and didn't even know it. And then I got to say, it was a weird one. I needed to dream interpreter. I did interpreter. I don't know if that's the only thing. No. You're tracking your remit night. Like, what's happening? I'm not tracking it. But I didn't sleep the whole night before because I broke open another Celsius. Bad mistake at 5 p.m. before Dave and Buster's thinking that's not a nightmare. That's the real thing. I hate all of this. My weekend. Yeah. Last weekend was jam packed. No, so yeah, I had that dream last night and I don't know what it means. I don't know what it means, but I'm invested obviously. You want your day with Barry. It is. Which you might have at court. And let's call something not a date. No, I said day. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Date. Okay. Now in some positive news in a case update, let's talk about Ellen Greenberg because this is potentially pretty major. Federal authorities are now reviewing the handling of Ellen Greenberg's death, which if you will remember, and I know many of you have been following along with this case as we have, her death was ruled a suicide despite her suffering over 20 stab wounds. Several of which were to the back of her head and neck. It has divided everybody out there for years and years and years. And I have never even seen a single person say they believe that Ellen did this to herself. Her parents have advocated for her this entire time. We have spoken with her parents, her mom, I spoke to, I think it was like a month ago as well. And everybody is hoping that Ellen will get justice in all of this. So now multiple agencies have reportedly been asked to turn over documents. Agencies including the Philadelphia Police Department, the Medical Examiner's office, even the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office. So this raises the question of why does the federal government now need to step in more than a decade later, unless something potentially seriously went wrong? We also in our deep dive covered the family connections with Ellen's fiance and too many believe was involved in this. And his family connections with political ties, people of influence, things like that to where the whole thing was weird, right? If you remember, his uncle came to the apartment the very next day and took Ellen's computer. Like why does he need Ellen's computer? Like a weird stuff like that. So I don't know what this means. I'm hopeful it does mean something because so many people have wanted answers in this and not just answers, but the right answer in what really happened to Ellen and justice. So this federal involvement is not at least for right now a new murder charge or a reversal of the self-harm ruling or anything like that, but it is kind of this new glance to look at it and see if the original investigation was mishandled or if things were potentially covered up. And I also have to say her fiance Sam, he has been flying under the radar for years and years and years since this whole thing happened, which I could say you could say is because he doesn't want the attention. He's distraught all these things or you could say he's nervous and hiding, but somebody did hard work over on TikTok, okay? He does not look good. I was just going to say I saw a photo pop up on Facebook. I know that he is looking rough. I saw it over the weekend and I'm like, whoa, it was a jump scare. But then I started reading the comments and the public, I mean, I know they don't like him. They already felt like something was shady, but everyone's pointing at corruption. Yes. Yes. And I try to be very mindful of that because allegedly, allegedly, you're doing research for your own opinions. Even in our deep dive, I try to be mindful of that because anytime there's corruption allegations or conspiracy allegations, it can get ugly, very fast. And I'm not looking for people to come after me legally or send me, we'll see synthesis or kind of like you can wipe your ass with that. Nothing will happen. But like, true. But yeah, a lot of people think that there was some cover-up stuff going on and that that that is why he also has been flying under the radar and not draw attention to themselves or to his family because of what could be exposed. He is looking rough and we love to see it. Karma. We do. No, I know. I actually, I meant to say, I think I did screen the same video one. Did you see the video one? No, I just saw the video. I'll find the video for you. It's not like I know it's winter, but what's happening? What's happening? Yeah. So we'll see, stay tuned. Hopefully we have a very positive update in the near future regarding Ellen, her case and her family. Now, let's move into this next case because it has a lot of people asking what the heck happened and it's really not only devastating, but pretty frustrating when you get into it. So this is our first case we're going to talk about and it's out of Arizona and it literally happened overnight. And as of now, there are no real answers. Nothing concrete. So this is the case of Malika Boone, an 18 year old girl from the Navajo Nation in northern Arizona. As a reminder, this is an active ongoing investigation. So a lot of what we are going to talk about today is just what we know so far based on law enforcement statements, certain things that are out there and early reporting. But Malika Boone was last seen on the evening of January 15th around 6 p.m. She was seen near her home in the coal mine NHA housing area in coal mine, Arizona. However, when she didn't come home, her family immediately knew that something was wrong because not only did they say that this was extremely out of character for her, but she was also only eight years old. So of course, it was extremely concerning. So police started asking the public for help locating Malika. They also issued a turquoise alert, which I had to do a little bit of research to know what a turquoise alert was. I haven't heard of it. I think I've heard of it one other time. But basically a turquoise alert is similar to an amber alert, but it's used in certain states to help locate missing indigenous or Native American people, particularly when the disappearance is suspicious or unexplained and when it's not believed to be a runaway. The turquoise alert was actually created to address the disproportionate amount of missing and murdered indigenous people. So a great system in place, but that is the alert that they issued when Malika went missing. So this alert spread all across Arizona and beyond. And once it went out, the investigation into finding out where Malika went, it really escalated. Navajo police began searching the area and within just a few hours, the FBI and the Navajo Department of Criminal Investigation joined in. Residents in the coal mine community were also at that point asked to stay inside of their homes while the officers were all working in the area. So coal mine was essentially on lockdown. But then less than 24 hours after Malika was reported missing, the outcome that everybody feared became reality. As the authorities announced that eight-year-old Malika had been found deceased. Now at this time, at the time of this recording, investigators have not released a cause of death. They also haven't said where she was found, whether fell play was suspected in this, whether they are looking for any suspects or persons of interest, and the information kind of has just stopped. All that the authorities have released so far is that the investigation is ongoing. So that coal mine residents are supposed to stay inside their homes and that multiple agencies are involved. And here's where that gets a little bit frustrating because I understand everybody wants answers, but cases like this one can get very complicated in terms of jurisdiction, especially when they happen on tribal land or in those areas. Because depending on the circumstances, tribal police, state authorities, and federal agencies like the FBI may all be involved in this. And when multiple agencies are all coordinating together, the information often will take a lot longer to be shared publicly. We have seen that with similar cases like Emily Pike. We saw it in a little bit different of a way with Anna Keppner, just because I think too, was like different rules and jurisdictions apply when it comes to open water crimes. So if there are very complex cases that involve overlapping jurisdictions, sometimes even if the legal reasons differ from one another, everything has to be very carefully coordinated before details are released, not to mention she obviously is a minor as well. So all we really know right now and what has a lot of people up in arms is that we know an eight year old women missing that she was found dead the next day, but nobody knows what else really happened. Begging the question, what really happened to Malika Boone? So we will definitely be following this case very closely. We will see if new information comes out and hopefully we'll learn more. But I know a lot of you have been in my DMs on Instagram about this case. And I've seen it pop up a few other places. So wanted to at least touch on it. But in particular, it's so sad. I hope that poor girl gets justice. I know. I really do love this whole turquoise alert. And I need to look into it more because again, like I said, I'm not extremely familiar. There is such a high level of crimes against natives and indigenous women and children and just actually all genders. And so the fact that now because it's kind of like a double edged sword, right? Because the numbers are so high, they created this secondary alert similar to an amber alert but different, which is great. But also it's like, you only got to that place because these numbers are so incredibly high, which is so disheartening. When you just need to have the support and system in place for when those alerts are happening, you have the resources, hopefully, to act quickly. I know. Incredibly sad. So we will definitely follow up on this one. I know you have one you want to talk about too. Yeah, I want to talk about this case that's coming out of Missouri. And it's really sad and unsettling because it's again another crime that's family on family, which we've been seeing a lot of. This story is about Malang John Ackbari, who's a 46 year old man from Jefferson City, Missouri, and is now being charged with first degree murder after prosecutors say he stabbed his wife to death in their kitchen. Then get this. He called his adult son and calmly told him, I killed your mom and I left the house. According to court documents, this is exactly what his son told the 911 dispatchers when he called while he was rushing to his parents' home after that call. When he got to the house, he found his mother unresponsive and bleeding on the kitchen floor. And when first responders arrived shortly after, they pronounced her dead on the scene. But what police say happened next and what Malang allegedly admitted to is what actually makes this case so chilling. According to the probable cause of David, Malang told investigators that he and his wife were having a fight. And the fight happened because he believed that she was cheating on him and because he also believed she was tampering with his food. So Malang allegedly confronted her in the kitchen and then she told him if he did anything to hurt her at all, that she would go to the police. That's when he grabbed a knife and began screaming and looking around. And at this point, he believed she was looking to grab a knife as well, probably to defend herself. And when she was looking around for that supposed knife, that's when he stabbed her. Malang allegedly then told the police that after stabbing his wife, he then laid her down on the kitchen floor, placed a pillow under her head and sat next to her and watched her bleed out without calling for help. Just sat there and watched her bleed out. Investigators say that later he told them, I sacrificed everything for her. I made a mistake and I do regret this. There was no other option for me, which there was a lot of other options. Well, and you hear that often like when it's a loved one, they then get protective and like care for the victim afterwards. And after his wife was dead, investigators say Malang left the house, taking a child with him that was also in the home at the same time, an 18-month-old baby, which prompted an amber alert to be sent out immediately. Police eventually found Malang about an hour away in Sedalia, Missouri, and arrested him. The baby wasn't with him, however, and was later then recovered at a relative's home. Malang is now being charged with first-degree murder, armed criminal action, unlawful use of a weapon, and first-degree endangering the welfare of a child. And he is currently being held without bond at the Cole County Jail. In court, Malang's attorney said he pleaded not guilty because of mental disease or defect, citing PTSD linked his time in the Afghan military and other mental health concerns. And so the judge ordered that a mental health evaluation needs to be done. So especially at this early stage in the investigations, and like most cases, this case has left a lot of questions. What was the real reason for that fight? Was there a reason to think that he had some reason to be angry about those things? What warning signs might have been missed? What were those like final moments between he and his wife? Obviously, she must have been terrified if she's now looking around and maybe searching for something to defend herself. And now their kids, including that 18-month baby, now have to live not only without their mother, but also without their father because he's now sitting in a jail cell and who knows what his future holds. So now this is going to follow them the rest of their lives. And I can't imagine how terrifying that phone call was to receive from your dad, that poor son. But I have a lot of questions. Well not a lot, but like two. Okay. One, why? He says that she was cheating on him and that he thought she was tampering with his food. And so that's why he did this. So in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, she was cheating on him. She was going to poison him so that he would die and she could leave with her lover. I hate that word. I know. Then why wouldn't you claim self-defense? Why would you change it to mental health defect if that really were the case? Or it's like you're saying two different narratives where it's like just stick with that one if you're saying you had no other choice, like he said, and that she was cheating. She was going to poison him. All of that. Or was that all made up in his mind because of the mental health struggles? So that obviously they wouldn't find any poison on the scene. Maybe no fair would ever be found. So now he's leaning on the PTSD. I don't know. What's she cheating? I'm not sure if she's having gut feelings, but that's not backed by anything. But I'm just thinking like you're not really getting a picture here of what their marriage was. So was this this loving marriage and this happened out of nowhere? Is there strain ahead of time? But I know there are people who kind of paint pictures in their mind and tell themselves a story and then it festers and boils over. And was this the boiling point where she's making me dinner? We're in this kitchen. What I've been thinking all along is true and saw maybe do something a little different or reach for something he wasn't used to. Reach for a new spice? Stapha, Greek. No, no, I know. You know what I mean? Where it becomes your reality? I'm like going off on way to hand it to you. But was she improving herself and working on herself, working out more? Okay, wait, you're just making up a whole story. No, because you're thinking cheating. Why do people think someone's cheating? Because they're back at the gym. Are they getting a new haircut? Annie, Elise, with your wigs. So I don't know. What made him think that? And then was this the tipping point? And then even if she was cheating on him and even if she was going to put like ant freeze in his food, it just get a divorce doesn't mean she deserves to be murdered. No. And what I don't understand by what we see oftentimes in these like family on family crimes is these like heinous crimes with people that obviously like the ultimate form of the trail they're in their home with a significant other or a child or whatever. They have these, they commit these murders and then just call someone and it's a catch really right after whether that be another family member or the police. So that's where I'm like there was some sort of a like disconnect there when that moment happened because they're not really trying to then cover it up or a vague consequence. And the fact that he just sat there while she blood out and didn't do anything and like put the pillow under her head and like showed care for her. So that's where I had to do it like he even said, I know. I don't know. I don't know. What do you want on that note? We're going to take a quick break. So you're running out of closet space. The good news? You don't need to stop shopping. You just need to start selling with the real real. The real real is the world's largest and most trusted resource for authenticated luxury resale. Whether it's that mini bag that can't even fit your phone or those boots you never fully broke in. The real real handles everything from photography and copywriting to shipping and pricing. So you can just sit back, get paid and make room for things that actually feel like you. And with 10,000 plus new arrivals every single day from cop designers like Prada, Selene, Louis Vuitton and Louis Vé, all for up to 90% off retail. Or bound to find something perfectly on brand to fill that extra closet space with. Plus, right now you can get an extra $100 to shop when you sell for the first time. Make room for what feels like you. Go to the realreal.com to start selling and get your extra $100 to keep shopping at the realreal.com. That's the realreal.com. Terms apply. Okay, now this next case is one of those cases that just sits with you. I mean, they all do, but this one is just so jarring and unsettling. And honestly, it hits almost every warning sign that we talk about. What happens when somebody asks for help? What happens when they see that danger is coming and when the system just does not move fast enough? So this is the case of Cecil, mains and Jerry mains. And it's coming to us out of Indianapolis, Indiana. On the night of December 28th, 2025, police were called to a home in the southeast side of Indianapolis. This was after multiple frantic 911 calls had come in. And these weren't neighbors who were calling 911. These calls were coming from inside the house. And the dispatchers say that these calls all came in from the couples for children, all of whom were at home during the time that all of this went down. They were 10 years old, 14 years old, 16 years old, and 19 years old. And these kids were crying, screaming, just begging for help, telling these operators that their dad was shooting their mom. One of the children even told 911 that their mother had a restraining order against their dad, yet he was still there attacking her. So obviously it was a lot of chaos, a lot of 911 calls. I mean, just pure, you know, kids being frantic and terrified and scared. And sure enough, when the officers arrived, they found 44-year-old Jerry lying in the driveway. And she had gunshot wounds all over her body. She was rushed to the hospital in critical condition, but unfortunately she later died from her injuries. Now by the time the police got there, Cecil, Jerry's husband, he had already left the scene. He was later located during a traffic stop and was fortunately taken into custody. And the investigators also say that they found a handgun in his truck that matched the evidence from the scene. But this is where the case becomes especially hard to hear as if it's not already extremely difficult. But just three days earlier, on Christmas Day, Jerry had filed for that protective order against her husband, Cecil. And in that filing, she described that their relationship had recently become much more volatile. Court documents also allege that arguments intensified after Jerry learned that Cecil had allegedly been cheating on her. And she told the court that she feared that the situation was escalating beyond what she had seen happen in their relationship before. She detailed physical violence in this report as well, including two specific incidents, one from Christmas Eve, where she said that Cecil hit her with a pair of kitchen tongs and it left behind cuts and bruises, and another incident where the two of them were fighting and he punched her in the face. She also wrote about a series of threats, including times when Cecil had threatened violence against their children. However, because this filing happened over the Christmas holiday, the courthouse was closed. So a judge never had the opportunity to review or sign into order this protective order before the shooting occurred just a few days later. Which I have to say too, though, we know that a lot of people out there don't even let a protective order stop them. So even if this was filed earlier, who's to say that Cecil wouldn't have gone to these measures, right? So I don't want there to be any sort of, you know, victim shaming that she should have acted sooner or anything like that because you never know if this will even stop him. But during all of this, when he did go into the home and attack her, the children were all still inside. So some of them unfortunately had to witness parts of what happened and others were hiding, calling for help and just listening in, you know, the dark and hiding while everything was unfolding. It's just absolutely terrifying and as a child too, I know some of them were older at, you know, 19 years old, but for the 10 year old, the 14 year old, even the 16 year old, and you know, even 19 years old, how do you even reconcile that in your brain, that you're witnessing your parents going against each other in that way and like how to intervene and like what to do and they did the right thing. They all were calling 911 nonstop, but I just can't imagine like how traumatizing that would be for these children. So in early January, prosecutors charged Cecil with murder and he's currently being held without bond as the case moves forward. Now what has a lot of people very angry in this case and equally heartbroken is that Jerry did what so many people are told to do and who what many people are scared to even do. She asked for help, she went to court, she put in writing that she was scared for her life and she cited very specific examples as well. Yet still she lost her life in front of her four children. It's what no mother would ever want to go through. I mean no mother would ever want to lose her life period obviously, but like I'm just speaking for myself here, God forbid if I were ever in a situation like that or any situation where my life was about to end, I would just pray to God that it would not be in front of my kids and that they wouldn't have to witness that. It's horrible. So now these four kids, they're left without their mother, they're left without their father and they're carrying trauma that no child should ever have to carry and it makes you wonder again, what was the root in this? Was he truly cheating? Was she getting ready to leave? Did he want control over her? What was going on? Not that the root matters, but it gives context, right? And we have said so many times, of course, just get a divorce, just do this, but also in any moment where the abuser thinks that they're going to inflict death or harm to control the situation and to have their kids and to not break up their life. It's like, well now your kids don't have either of you. So what the fuck was that for? The kids are the ones who are left to suffer. Yes, they're your wife and their mother, but your kids are the ones who are suffering through all of this. I don't know how grown-ass adults can make sense of it and think that that is the solution. Now, and they say, crimes of passion, and we talked even earlier about maybe it was just this boiling point, but when you have four of your children screaming out to you, like stop hurting them. Like how is that not something that snaps you back in? Because I have the chills. I know. It's disgusting. And I don't know how a person gets to become like a father of four and then like completely disassociate to where that would not be motivation enough to stop what you're doing. Yep. And just leave. That's what I don't understand. There's no consequence to the divorce outside of your ego and maybe some finances or whatever. Like just get the divorce. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. I will never understand how people think that murder is the solution in any of this. It is. It is so beyond selfish. So that is what we have got today. I know that it was a lot. I appreciate you guys sticking through and dealing with our banter in the beginning because I'm trying to get better with that, but I just don't think that's on the horizon for 2026 for me. I feel like self-improvement should be on my bingo card and it's not. Well, so next week, will we see you with a dark bob or what are we in for? I don't know. I don't know. Amy, that's a great question. What are we in for? Can't wait. Yeah. Tune in. Yeah. Tune in to find out or on my Instagram because that's where you'll see it first. I don't know. I really don't know. The million dollar question. But who's this calling me? Nope. Declined. So thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode. As a reminder, I know this was a shorter week, but we still put out all of our scheduled content. So we put out an episode on Monday over on this exact same feed on serialously where we do the full deep dive into Spencer and Monique Tepet, the couple in Columbus who were murdered. The X, as you know, had been arrested, but we go into the X's backstory, his connection with Monique. Everything going on there. So we put everything that we know in the case in that single episode. And then on the 10 to life feed, we covered a brand new case, the case of Riley Crossman. And this is a tough one because it's about a girl who sent a final text message that haunted everyone. So that is over on the 10 to life feed available wherever you get your podcasts also here on YouTube. So make sure you're following both podcasts that you're subscribed on YouTube, all of the things following me on Instagram at underscore Annie Elise. That way, I'm just in your face all the time. All right, guys, thanks again. And until the next one, be nice. Don't kill people. Just get a divorce and don't be a very more feel. Oh, don't be a berry. Don't be a berry. Sorry, Annie berries or anybody who's married to a berry. Don't be a berry. Did you see too that it's now no longer a caran? It's just dying. I'm like, I saw she I saw like, you know, it'll tell you what reels your friends liked. I never look at that. Someone recently told me about it. So I'm like, oh, so I looked and just liked this reel that was saying the worst name that you could have. It's just gone like, of course you would go and like, of course you would. All right, bye guys. Bye.