Summary
Theo Von interviews comedian Pete Davidson about his journey through grief, addiction recovery, mental health, and upcoming fatherhood. Davidson discusses losing his firefighter father in 9/11 at age seven, his struggles with suicidal ideation and substance abuse, his path to sobriety, and how therapy and comedy saved his life.
Insights
- Trauma and fame create compounding psychological challenges; early loss combined with sudden celebrity attention can trigger relapse cycles and require intentional recovery work
- Sobriety requires redefining identity and relationships; removing addictive coping mechanisms forces confrontation with underlying mental health issues and childhood wounds
- Parasocial media narratives damage mental health more than the actual events they report; controlling internal narrative is more powerful than controlling external coverage
- Fatherhood can serve as a turning point for recovery; having responsibility to another person can override self-destructive impulses better than self-care alone
- Older mentors and community (comedy scene, therapy groups) provide surrogate family structures that help process early parental loss and build emotional resilience
Trends
Mental health disclosure in entertainment becoming normalized; celebrities openly discussing OCD, BPD, depression, and suicidal ideation reduces stigmaRecovery communities (AA, therapy groups, support networks) increasingly recognized as essential infrastructure for high-stress professions like entertainmentGenerational shift in parenting priorities; younger parents prioritizing emotional availability and trauma-informed parenting over traditional modelsInternational comedy tours expanding to non-traditional markets (Saudi Arabia, Singapore); comedians navigating censorship and cultural restrictionsSocial media-driven cancel culture creating measurable mental health impacts; need for media literacy and emotional regulation strategies in public figuresAddiction recovery timelines extending beyond 12-step models; emphasis on long-term therapy, relationship repair, and identity reconstructionFatherhood as redemption narrative gaining prominence in male-focused content; reframing masculinity around emotional presence and vulnerability
Topics
9/11 First Responder Legacy and Intergenerational TraumaSuicidal Ideation and Childhood Mental Health CrisisSubstance Abuse Recovery and Sobriety MaintenanceBorderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and OCD ManagementCelebrity Mental Health and Media Narrative ControlParasocial Relationships and Fan DynamicsComedy as Therapeutic Coping MechanismFatherhood Preparation and Parenting AnxietyInternational Comedy Tour Logistics and CensorshipMentorship and Surrogate Family StructuresTherapy Efficacy for High-Profile IndividualsAddiction to Work and Relationship NeglectCancel Culture Impact on Mental HealthSex Addiction and Pornography DependencyGrief Processing in Public vs. Private Spaces
Companies
Netflix
Peaky Blinders film promotion mentioned in pre-roll advertisement segment
PrizePicks
Sports betting app sponsor; Theo discusses NFL picks and platform features
Moonpay
Cryptocurrency purchasing platform sponsor; Theo discusses Bitcoin investment strategy
Upward
Faith-based dating app sponsor; discussed as alternative to mainstream dating platforms
Helix Sleep
Mattress company sponsor; Theo discusses sleep quality and product benefits
Quo
Business phone system platform sponsor; formerly Open Phone, discussed as communication tool
People
Pete Davidson
Main guest; discusses recovery journey, 9/11 father loss, upcoming fatherhood, international comedy tour
Theo Von
Podcast host conducting interview; shares personal experiences and therapeutic insights
Amy Davidson
Pete's mother; raised him alone after 9/11, supportive of recovery and upcoming grandchild
Scotty Davidson
Pete's father; died in 9/11 attacks; first truck to respond; foundational trauma for Pete's mental health journey
Joey Gay
Pete's touring companion and long-time friend; performing on international tour
Simon Rex
Mentioned as mutual friend; praised for Red Rocket performance and career turnaround
Sean Baker
Director of Red Rocket; gave Simon Rex career-changing opportunity
Christian Bale
Discussed as example of misunderstood on-set behavior; Terminator Salvation lighting incident
Dennis Quaid
Starred in Frequency; Theo met him and discussed the film's impact on his life
Jim Cavizel
Starred in Frequency; Pete identifies with character whose firefighter father died
Dave Chappelle
Mentioned as comedic influence on Pete's career development
Bill Burr
Mentioned as comedic influence on Pete's career development
Rodney Dangerfield
Pete's favorite comedian; influenced his approach to stand-up comedy
Morgan Wallen
Texted Pete about potential Amish kid concert collaboration; discussed as musical influence
Macklemore
Mentioned as potential Amish country collaboration opportunity; discussed as musical influence
Quotes
"I need to want to be OK. If not, all this goes away. Like if like it can't be for stand up. It can't be for this movie. It can't be for this girl. It can't even be for my family. Like I have to want to be OK. Otherwise, all this shit doesn't work."
Pete Davidson•~1:15:00
"My biggest fear is that I will turn on the news and see that my son has died."
Amy Davidson (Pete's mother)•~1:35:00
"There's no way to win the thing where everybody likes you. It's all just a trap, you know?"
Theo Von•~2:45:00
"I was so afraid to be happy. Because it's uncomfortable. I didn't even know who I'd be if I was happy."
Theo Von•~1:55:00
"When you go through a tragedy that young, like your brain is older. I always felt like I was older, like in school, where like when that happened, you know, kids would be like, you want to like have a pool party? I'm like, no, like I want to smoke cigarettes and cry."
Pete Davidson•~45:00
Full Transcript
By order of the Peaky Blinders, Academy Award winner Kili and Murphy returns alongside an all-star cast. In Netflix's upcoming film Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, Tommy Shelby must face his own demons and choose whether to confront his legacy or burn it to the ground. Watch Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, now on Netflix, rated R. If you missed the Return of the Rat tour, we've added tour merch to the website. We've got pocket teas, hats, bags and whatnot. The Bubby Tees are also back in stock as well as some items from the Outdoor Collection, all available at TheoVonStore.com. Thanks to everyone who came out and supported on this tour. I can't believe that we're almost done. And we've taken the tour merch that we didn't sell out there and put it onto the website in case you missed something. And yeah, love you guys, baby. Thank you. Today's guest is a comedian and an actor out of Staten Island, New York. He was once a young king and now he's a medium king. He's about to take on a world tour in some select cities. You know, this is the first time we've sat this long and gotten to really talk. Very fortunate for his time. He's an exceptional young man. Today's guest is Mr. Pete Davidson. Thanks for coming by, dude. Dude, thank you for fucking having me. It was awesome. Oh, yeah. I only watched you and I listened to this. What are you talking about, Joel Osteen? No, I listened to your podcast and I listened to this podcast called How Did This Get Made where they just kind of talk about movies. Oh, yeah, people. Wait, wait, I know who's show. It's Doug. It's Manzuchus and Paul Shear. Hmm. They just talk about like movies that like were ridiculous and then like just the the math of how they got made. Paul Shear is so cool. He is really cool. Good guy. Is he? I never known him that much except just seeing him in movies and TV. Manzuchus is maybe pound for pound one of the fucking funniest human beings. Really? It's amazing. Manzuchus. Let me get a gander at him. Oh, he's all the ethnicities. Oh, he's a fucking god. He's a strip of man. Dear God, I'd be afraid to open my car door if I were him. And I wouldn't even know which way it was coming from. He's one of those guys that's looked like that forever. And now he's the appropriate age to look like that. But he'll also still look like that forever. You know what I mean? He looks like somebody off that Muslim version of guess who. Remember that game? I'm saying like. And no offense to Mr. Manzuchus. If you're as funny as he says you are, you're okay with some of this. They should have a Muslim version of guess who. Dude, they have an Asian version. It's just all the same guy. Do they really? Do they have one for every culture? I'm sure they do. It's fucking the way they do it now. That's what I like about this. They learn a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, they have a guess who too for like twinks. I know there's one. It's like one of these guys doesn't mind meeting other guys or whatever. This is crazy. Dude, you're going on your first international tour. Is that cool? Pete Davidson. Good to see you today, man. Thanks for having me, bro. Yeah, thanks, dude. I'm stoked. I've never been anywhere unless it was for like work. Right. But I've always wanted to try. It's just like I can't believe that anybody would come see me over there. Yeah. You almost need to go there to believe that. Yeah. I'm kind of like dumb where I'm like, no one knows me in, you know, Australia. Yeah. I've never been there before. I don't have friends there. Yeah. But I'm excited. Yeah. Are you taking anybody with you? Is it only you? It's me and my friend Joey Gay who does shows, been doing shows with me since I'm like 18. So. Oh, nice. Bring him up. Let me get a picture of Joey Gay. Oh, Joey Gay is fucking hilarious, dude. But I can't remember. He's been around forever. He's just one of those dudes that just always destroys. Oh, there he is. Yeah. He's also been my friends, you know, since the before time. Oh, I know him. Yeah. He's a monster, dude. He's fucking great. I know him. He looks like a little bit like Chris, like almost like Chris DiStefano and Charlemagne had a kid a little bit of a picture. No, he's a real good dude. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Where are you guys headed to? I know you're headed to Perth, I saw. Perth, Sydney. Oh, yeah. Another one. Maybe Melbourne. Yeah, it could be wrong. I have no idea. You know, when you get a tour schedule and you're super intimidated, you just go day by day. But I know we're doing it. Oh, here they are. Singapore. Whoa. Yeah. And what's causing all that? There's a lot of good street food there. That was just Burke. I don't know if you know, we have the same agent. Yeah, we're the same. So, you know, you like, you know, you could fit this one in there. You know, it's on the way of this allay overall. Why don't you parachute into the A's or is that? Yeah. Hostage facility outside of Guantanamo. I'll sell 200 tickets in right now. They owe me. They owe me. All right. They owe. Yeah, they always do. I got it. To me, that's going to be great. And you're going to Riyadh. So how do you guys feel about this Saudi Arabian Comedy Festival? There's been a lot of like talk about this recently. Are they limiting what you guys can say? Have you heard anything about it yet? That one, I haven't heard much about Singapore. I had like a laundry list of stuff. It was pretty much my whole act. So I don't know. I don't know what to do. I'm like googling old sets from when I was like 20. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to do the classics and do some of Jim Gaffigan's bits. That's what I do if I'm in a tough spot. Just do I mean, or just do Nate stuff. Just very evergreen clean stuff. Have you ever had that problem? Yeah, I do. Oh, yeah, I've had a lot. I mean, I have a lot where it's like you have to sift back through. They're like one of them was like you could talk about sex, but like not like in a dirty way. Right. And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. So I guess let's let here. Well, let's try to have a conversation about sex, but not in a dirty way. Oh, man, I had some I was. I had sex recently. Yeah. How'd it go? Well, I thought it went pretty good. You know, I was on a full stomach. So did you both blast? Oh, hold on. I need to leave this conversation. This isn't Singapore approved, I think. And no beach with that sticker. Remember, they killed that honky over there like 25 years ago. Remember that guy? Christopher Reeves or whatever. Who was that guy? They killed Christopher Reeves in Singapore. I think maybe it's not him. Who was it? This is a huge thing when I was a child. They beat this guy for doing something over there. What was you doing? Oh, this guy, Michael Fay. There he was. Oh, man. A Fay's brother. This is why she had to win. She didn't have a choice. The person was famously caned in Singapore's Michael Fay and American teenager in 1994. Fay was sentenced by a Singaporean court to six strokes of the cane and four months in jail for acts of vandalism, specifically for spray painting and damaging cars. Oh, he didn't do anything. This swell of stealing road signs. Yeah. I mean, that's fine. Oh, that's just a little bit of news. Some foreplay right there. That's nothing, dude. That's sad. And it's sad. It's sad in general, but just for like spray painting, cars and stealing road signs. Feel like they should just, you know, cut your hand off or something. Well, I think I think this guy's pretty lucky, dude. Some places, I guess they still have a lot of that. But no, what I've heard, dude, is that that Riyadh festival is that you that they're like, you know, there's a lot of people that say people are getting paid by this Middle Eastern money, right? You know, and that they can say this or they can't say that or that they're over there, they're going to try to influence you guys in order to speak certain ways. Do you are you part of that conspiracy theory or is that nothing you're on? I've heard there's subreddits of like, I think all these people are in bed with that. I just, you know, I get the routing and then I see the number and I go, I'll go. Yeah. You know, and also. You know, there's there's part of me that's just like, you know, I've been getting a little bit of a flak just because like my dad died 9-11. So they're they're like, how could you possibly go there? So your dad died during 9-11. He died in one of the buildings. Yeah, he was a fireman. They were actually the first truck there. There's like this very. This is how shitty my luck is. Also not to make this all about myself, but. Well, it's an interview of you. So if you do, it's OK. I met 9-11, but yeah, it's all about me. There's a very famous shot that you see every 9-11, besides the obvious ones, but they were the first truck over the bridge to. So 11. Yeah. So the front page is just like, Pete's dad. I'm like, oh, so he's waving out the window. Yeah, he's like that. So yeah, they were they were the first truck over there and pretty much the whole house, the whole house, you know, died, which is sad. But also at least he died with his pals. You know, it's kind of. They all went as a group. Huh? That's the truck. No, that's that's the picture. You see the truck on the bridge? Oh, yeah, yeah. My dad's in there, dude. I wonder. Oh, you know, that's some shame. Killers pretty gay, dude. He's in there. It's pretty gay. I don't know. Yeah, my dad's syndrome. Brothers in there. Yeah, that's what I feel like. That's what Shane would say the whole time. That's your dad right there. That's my pops, dude. Dude, he's your Mac. Your part, your Mac's Latino. No, no, all white and Jewish and Irish. Oh, Italian. Yeah, but I feel like our family looks mixed, but we're not. Well, it's crazy that he died in 9-11 and also part of him is accused of doing it. That's the craziest part. So I think that's where you're like the you're the fucking you're the Bermuda triangle of 9-11. Well, it is a little weird that they were the first truck. That is true. It's almost like he was too ready to go. Yeah, it's old Irish. Hello. Yeah, that's the Irish part, I think. Oh, man, he's a handsome guy. What was he like? He was fucking hilarious, man. He was my memories are, you know, few and far between because I was seven. But I just remember laughing a lot and being pretty jacked and spoke a lot of cigarettes and driving a Subaru in Preza. That's all I remember. Oh, always had a big smile on his face. But my favorite thing is I don't know if you have. I'm sure you do. People come to your shows and they're like, I knew I don't know your dad or I knew I know your cousin or whatever. A lot of people lie to me about that just to come backstage because they because they know I can't be like, right, you know, sure, whatever. But I don't want to hear about it. Of course, you want to hear a story about your dad. Of course, I could always tell who is telling the truth because the second they start talking, they have this big smile and their eyes kind of light up and they call him Scotty, which is what his friends call him. So I always could tell and everything I hear is always really sweet. I'm sure they like keep the horrible things away. Yes, Scotty, but I'm a jet. Yeah, he did. That's a big Jets fan. Oh, yeah. But you you lost your pops. You were young, too, right? Yeah, I was 16. My dad died. He was just older, though. But I think like. Yeah, just yeah. I mean, losing your dad when you're a kid is kind of tough. I think it's obviously it's tough. I think it's it is funny as you get older. You want to know the different stuff about him, you know? Yeah, it was you. Yeah, what do you like? Because it's still more information, you know, like, did he sleep in his car or whatever? You know, like, what did he do, you know, for fun? I think it's worse at your age, though, because you could fully understand the scope of what happened. And you're at such a pivotal age in your life where you're growing and becoming a man. I was really young, so I didn't even really know what the fuck happened. When it hit me later, like when I was in college, I was like, oh, I'm pretty angry about this. Like it'll show up more and more as I get older, because you understand, like that's really sad to happen to a kid. But I feel like your age and forgive me if I'm wrong, but like that's like that's like visceral. That's that's some tough shit. Yeah, I think, you know, my dad was so old. My dad was set, you know, my dad was born in 1910. He was an old man. And so what he was 70 when I was born. So he was 86 at that time. Right. Oh, we shit. So it wasn't like I had like this, you know, dad that had this energy, you know, I had this kind of dad that was like a sleeping in the distance a lot or like, you know, inadvertently causing shit to like falling asleep in the car. We'd come picked up and he fucking does off out there, you know. And any my dad had this. He was always buying cars off these brothers that lived around the corner, right? And so he had one time he had this cutlass that had some twenty twos in the trunk, some fucking bangers in that bitch. And he would just listen to like Rush Limbaugh and shit like with both. Cranked up. Oh, bro. And like, it would be like all Harvey and just like these old commentators. And he would fucking just doze off in his car. And whenever he does office, he was old, his eyes would like leak and they were just like water, kind of pour out of him because you're getting old. You know, your gaskets get bad. And so he was just fucking just shedding water weight. And I was just fucking like, what is going on? So you were a little prepared. You were a little prepared. I was prepared that things were going to go well. Right. You know, so my dad kind of was like a driving 9-11. He like kind of pulls up in his own little like I would have been awesome if we got to put my dad's car behind that fire truck. Superimpose your dad's car in there. Yeah, he was always a 9-11, dude. Every time he came in and something you'd have to get his fucking car, it was getting more get it climbing the fucking wind. Everything was a fucking nightmare with him. And the teachers would always look you like, don't get in there with your dad. Yeah, but that's your parent picking you up like. But then there's little things like, did you have some nice mementos of his? I have actually I have his his wedding ring I wear all the time. And I have his it's actually super fucked up, but I have his badge, like his chain, his badge and they found that's how they, you know, because everybody was pretty burnt up. So that's how they knew it was him. And I have it and I just keep it in a safe because like with my luck, I'll lose that shit. But I have like a couple of those things and I have his his fire, his like jacket and like other set of pants. And I put them like on the wall, I like framed him. But then I put him, I took him down though, because like sometimes I'll be feeling good and then I'll see that. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, you know, it's like a weird it's a weird thing. I remember my mom has it's like everywhere you look, it's like, you know, my dad like and it's fucking it's kind of on a condom. That's a lot. It's good. Sorry, that's crazy. I was just trying to make you laugh. No, it didn't make me laugh. But it's kind of haunting where you're just like, I would like to opt like if I want to go down memory lane, right, I can. But like, you know, just like have your dad stare at you. You don't remember laying just hanging out on the wall being like, hey, do a lap. You know, yeah. Yeah. Oh, do you have any stuff for your dads? You have the speakers? No, what do we have? We have. I have his passport for whenever he moved to the US. Where's he from? He's from Nicaragua. He came down here. And I think he was like, let me see. I guess he was 12 or whatever. Um, that's wild. It was pretty wild. I don't know anyone from there. That's crazy. I don't know. You know, it's like a real place. It's like a place you live on my space when you're in high school. Oh, Nicaragua. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Schenectady, New York. Oh, yeah. Kalamazoo, Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I remember when I saw Kalamazoo in the airport one time, people were going there one day. I couldn't even fucking believe it. They were like traveling with them. Dr. Seuss novel or something. I was like, tell Cindy Lou who I said, what's up? How old is she? You feel me? BLM, dude. Um, but yeah, I think as you get older, stuff like that's interesting. Were you able to find pieces of fatherhood and other manage you got older? Yeah, I think that's inadvertently what I was doing. I wasn't like very conscious, like, I need to find me a dad, you know? Yeah. But but as I look back, you know, that was what was cool about getting into comedy. I was 16. So everyone, the youngest comedian friend I had was like, I don't know, 29, 30. It was like Che, DeStefano. Oh, great. You know, all those guys, Yannis, Nate, Soder, and like it was all dudes that were older than me that, like, you know, obviously there's not, there wasn't a lot of other younger dudes, but I really, I've really looked up to them. And like, I just see Joey, I do shows with Joey Gay all the time. He's like in his 50s. So most of my friends I find are like, you know, 40 and up because I think that makes me feel safe and also just like there's just for some form of like big brother sort of thing. And somebody looking out for you. But also when you go through a tragedy that young, like your brain is older, like I always felt like I was older, like in school, where like when that happened, you know, kids would be like, you want to like have a pool party? I'm like, no, like I want to smoke cigarettes and cry. Like, I'm that's, it's like it's not that that like innocence is kind of taken away really fast. And that's why I got into stand up. I would watch, you know, Burr and Chappelle and you know, Rodney's my favorite. So I think that's why I like veered towards laughing a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just sad, dude. Like I feel like most of us are pretty. Were you as pretty sad, dude, you think? Yeah, I think there's. You always get pigeonholed. Is this not sad, dude, I think. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck, guys? I'm like, I'm pretty everybody's like, oh, that guy just and that's where some of the hatred comes. He just he got I don't give a fuck. I do. I'm like, no, I'm miserable. I want to be that dude, too. All the dude you guys are talking about, I want to be him. I don't even know that guy. I look at pictures. I'm like, who is this guy that everybody's talking about? You know, like it's not me. But yeah, I grew up super duper sad. There's my mom shows pictures. You could always tell what pictures of me when I'm little before and after. My dad passed because the eyes are different. Oh, like the eyes are just like sad. The eyes have it. That's what they say. Yeah. Damn, I feel like you're people think you must be like the happiest silly dude ever. But I feel like you have some layers. Oh, yeah, dude. I'd like to be in a wheelchair a lot of times, you know, just because just to fucking show them. I'll show them. That's my attitude. Show other dudes in wheelchairs. Right. I don't know what fucking interstate I'll show them. Hit me. I'll go to heaven right now, motherfucker. Do you ever play truth or not truth or dare? But like kind of rush and let what yourself where you're like, if I die this way, I'm supposed to. Oh, let me think about that. Like I got a motorcycle for a little bit. You did just for a bit. And then I got no one. Why just for a bit? So so it was kind of like a if I go this way, like I was young. I was like, I give a fuck, like I'm rock involved, dude. But then I didn't realize like you can get in a motorcycle accident. And it not be your fault. I didn't realize you can get hit by other cars. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't think about that. I don't think about it. You're just like, I it's all my control. But some dude, some dude clipped me in and the bike kind of fell on me. It was pretty mid, but I was like, oh, you could. It was enough. Yeah, I don't want to die by someone else. I want to do it. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I want to go out on my shit. So yeah, motherfucker. Yeah, I'll die, bitch. Watch me. Yeah, you don't think I'll die. Yeah. Watch. Yeah, dude, I'll say this. I've had a girlfriend before where I've been like, I like, I knew I should leave her, but I'm like, I'm not leaving her because she'll find somebody that actually likes her. Yeah, that's how fucking much I was like miserable, dude. You ever have a sad even think this one of my rebuttals to a girl leaving me was like, you've done so much work. You've done so much work on me like. It's like you got me ready for someone else. Like that's like not fair. Because now I'm just going to be all this good with someone else. Yeah, yeah. Like you taught me so much. Yeah, at least show up for the graduation. Yeah, come on. You know, you put so much work in. You know, I'm back and you know, I never left, baby. Prize picks big buck. 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And then my mom, like this is so dark, but like found me in the pool scene when I was trying to do it, and then she took me to like a psych ward. And I was like eight. So I've struggled with that. And then I kind of got out of it when I first started, I would say right around when I got SNL, because I didn't have many friends growing up. And it was it was my fault. Like I've said this before, where like I was suffering and I was super weird. And I was like, you know, very visibly hurting. But you know, kids don't know that that's what you're going through. They just think you're weird. Like they don't have this scope of. Did you feel like a lot of like were like thoughts and stuff were trapped inside of you kind of, or would you feel like you think? Yeah, it was like on a hamster wheel of just like I have because I have OCD and, you know, manic depression. So like it's just that's a horrible combo. And then you start doing drugs and it's like good luck, you know, you're a fucking slot machine. Yeah, yeah, of depression and the worst stuff. And then I would like revert to that when I got sad. But then when I started doing stand up, I kind of was like I found like a group of weird friends and like artists are cool and they they understand like sadness and like a lot of them are like, you know, not afraid to talk about that stuff. And oh, yeah. You know, and I really like, I was like, oh, yeah, you know, and and then there's this weird thing. I don't know if you've really had this because I know everybody just fucking loves you as they should. But I had this thing where like I came out and everyone really rallied behind me. I was like, oh, this kid, they look what happened to him as a kid and now he's doing this and that's super cool. And it was like all going up. And then it flipped. And then it was like, fuck this dude. I don't like this dude. He I hate this dude. And like we're in the internet age, so I'm reading all that shit. And then it brought me back to like childhood high school, like not fitting in like again, low self worth attaches to all that old shit. Then that shit started to pop back in. And then that's where I started like doing drugs. And then a year and a half ago, I was like, I was just like, I need to want to. I need to be OK. If not, all this goes away. Like if like it can't be for stand up. It can't be for this movie. It can't be for this girl. It can't even be for my family. Like I have to want to be OK. Otherwise, all this shit doesn't work. Oh, dude, when you say that, so scary to me is bro. I don't know if I could ever. Like even though I feel like I am, I don't if there's a big part of me, the truth is I don't know how I would feel if I didn't have somebody else's feelings to base it on, you know? No, yeah, it's like if I didn't have how somebody else felt about me to base it on. Yeah, that's that's how I live. We're we're we're people pleasers. 100 we laugh at me, please. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like like watch my movie. Like when I go outside, take a picture like, you know, and then it see me. Even if you call me a f***ing idiot or whatever, we can bleep that out. Yeah. Or we can just say that he said it. Yeah. But anyway, at least that's like in the in the context that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Only if it's during Pride Month and you mistook me for one of your best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not in like a wreck. No, no, no, I should stand by that. OK. Yeah. But but yeah, you can't put that's a hard that's a hard thing to you're undoing for me. It was like, you know, 25 years of people pleasing. That's why I live, you know? So I had to like learn how to be OK with this. And like also like a year, year and a half ago, like they were like, it's over. He's done, you know, the media tab boys, that type of shit. Yeah, it was just like those like articles that were like, I smoke crack and live with my mom. And I was like, I was like, all right, like, maybe part of that. Like not all of that. You know, like it's a two bedroom. It sucks when there's like four. There's four things in the article that are wrong, but there's one of them. You're like, actually, yeah, I fucking got it. But, you know, and I'm in rehab alone reading this, you know, and a lot of my friends, you know, I would say I still have half of them, but a lot of them, I got to a point with my use in like how I was behaving where they were just like, I love you, but like this is too much. Oh, wow. And when that started happening, it was started happening with people. I was like, well, I don't give a fuck about you anyway. Right. And then it started happening with like people I really cared about. And I was like, oh, shit, like it's me. You can only go to everybody else for so long. Yeah. And until you're like, OK, I get it. And then, you know, that was kind of it for me. Was there a day you kind of turned it in? You were like, I'm dropping the rock today, you know, where I'm where just like, I need to leave. Or you're just like, I'm going to go definitely get some help like, or was there like one conversation that kind of cemented it for you? I guess, yeah, once you start to see like, man, oh, that person is stepping away from me. God, it must be. Yeah, because it's weird. Sometimes you want to make your outside. You want to make it match kind of how you feel on the inside. It's like, that's exactly what you to leave me because I left me so long in my mind, everybody left me so fucking long ago that I want. I don't if you the fact that you're even still around here fucking makes me not even respect you. You know, yeah. And like a sick way. You know, and there's part of you that's probably like for me, I was like, calling bluffs almost where I was just like, I self sabotage blow up. Anybody that's ever actually loved me or cared about me has gotten the worst wrath from you. You know, it's few and far between. But when it happens, it's fucked up. And but this whole like, fuck you, leave me like, get ahead, leave me. What they started to. And I was like, oh, shit, you're calling my bluff and I love you and I don't want you to go away. And then you go into therapy and you're like, fear of abandonment. You have BPD. This is why from your childhood, you did this and your grandpa did this. And now you're so like, you got to do that sort of work. But yeah, it got to that point where people I really fucking loved. And also my mom, you know, my mom's the most supportive person in the world. She's a cool lady. The best. I mean, like her name, Amy. Oh, it's a good name. She never dated. She married a fireman. Yeah. She's she's a nurse. Like, not. Yeah, they met each other in grammar school, like Super Staten Island. I want to marry a nurse. And my mom, look how cute my mom is. She's just a sweet lady. She never dated after my mom, after my dad died, just raised me and my sister like alone and worked hard. And she's been the most supportive ever. And it got to a point where she she called me when I was when I was rehab and she was like, my biggest fear is that I will turn on the news and see that my son has died. And she's never been like that, like, you know, because she's so supportive and just wants to always have positivity around. Yeah. And she already lost something she loved. Exactly. And that fucking that killed me. Yeah. So like, I was like, all right, you know, can't die until she's dead, at least. Yeah. All right, Amy. Yeah. You got it. Yeah. Like when that lady when that lady says that to you, look at that lady. I mean, how are you going to be like, I don't have to be a heartless fucking sociopath to not get my shit together. You know, you're like, OK, this is what I need. Yeah. Oh, good lady. Oh, that's cute, man. Yeah, I'm a lucky guy in that aspect. I have a really like supportive, cool family that has never asked me for anything. And they should like they could. And they a lot of these stuff. Yeah, you bought Colin Jones that shitty boat. You can't fucking get them. Can you imagine being one of my family members that's like live a check to check? And you read that. Sorry. So true. Like I have. But I've offered to offer to help. And they just they're like, nah, yeah, some people like that. And I love that. That's how I think that here's what I start to realize in my family. I think they're joking. I think they're like, they don't want you to be like, oh, they don't because I'm always like, all right, but they want you back. No, no, no, no, no, no. I got this. Yeah. Yeah, dude, I think I even do just saying that makes you think I got to help out my family a little bit more. That's my Staten Island brother right there. Hey, there you go. He's just that now into. Yeah, that crazy. I mean, from a good part, clearly. We obviously it looks a little different. Little more island. Yeah, a little bit. Little less statin. No, he's the best man. He's a real good fucking. Is he? Oh, he's the best. I only met him one time and I think he looked so clean. I was just afraid to get to know him. Oh, dude, he's awesome. You guys, we get along great. He's I don't know anyone that doesn't like, you know, when you're like intimidated or not intimidated, but just you're just like, I don't think me and that dude will ever vibe. And then you're like, oh, we love comedy and we're comics and like there's that universal thing. So you guys would hit it off. Great. And it's also fun to hang out with someone that's like polar opposite in most ways. Oh, that's pretty cool. You know, and we're from the same island. Yeah, but it's like he golfs. You know, and I'm like, what the fuck is that? Yeah. I was like, we have golf club. Wasn't that nice? I was like, I had no idea. You know, so. And you're out there doing tours of the Gilgoy Beach killer area. Yeah. Yeah. So different strokes for different folks. But even yeah, even the theaters, he does have like really nice names. Like I look at his tour and I'm like, that sounds nice. All my shit's like, what the fuck is this? Memphis. Oh, it's a bird. Put you out there fucking. You're doing an amphitheater out there at the Gilgoy Beach. Killer frigging section. Who's this fellow? That's the Gilgoy Beach. That's your opener in Singapore. Who's that? You got to rebate from the from the Port Authority. Rex Hirman. Rex Hirman. That's the dude that was killing all the hookers, man. That's fucked up. Yeah, that's not cool. How long did you stay? I'm trying to think of different. I probably got to go to a place soon and just get some away. I think I just I just can't. Everything's just been I can barely kind of keep it together every week. Well, you're also one of the most busy people in the world. I mean, you have like the biggest show out there. And but I don't know if you had this. You have this feeling where you're like, well, if I go away, it'll stop. Yeah, I just think it's everything will be fall apart or I don't know. It'll be like alone with your thoughts. And like, I think when you work a lot, you don't have time to be like. What am I upset about in my childhood or like whatever? Like you could take as much fucking time as you like. You deserve it. You deserve a nice little kickback, relax, do something that like makes you happy. What makes you happy? Like what do you like to do? Well, I think some of it's funny that I'll thank you though for saying some of that stuff. No, it's true, bro. It is true. I think it's hard for me to get that. It's hard for me to like get that into my system, you know, and then to want to do it. I think like, you know, I'm kind of married to work like I choose to work. Like sometimes I think about like I had this girlfriend. This really great girl that I was seeing for years. And I don't know if we're supposed to stay together or not. But sometimes when I think about life or certain things, she's kind of the one that I miss. It doesn't mean we're supposed to stay together, but there was still like a good, good enough connection that was very real that it was like, man, that's her affection is what I miss. Right. And caring about her is kind of what I miss. But I could see myself, we go out and do stuff and then we come back home and I could see how she would see me across the room. I'd sit down, I'd put my computer on my lap and just start working like, doesn't matter. If I had 30 free seconds, it always went to that, you know. And just just like a couple of months ago, I started thinking, oh, man, that's what you must have seen all the time, you know, right? Just someone looking up at someone just not there. Yeah. Right. But but you are there, but you're just this is your comfort. Comfort, right? It's comfortable. It's reliable. I know the return. Yeah. I know the rate of return. I know you enjoy it. Yeah, I enjoy it. It's based even if I fail in it. That's fine. It's totally on me. It's all it. There's no room for any. I mean, there's room for other people in here, really, but it's definitely, you know, it's just you put in, you get out, right? But so I don't know, like, yeah, I think that's something like just like that addiction to work. But then I'm getting older. I'd like to have a family, you know, and you're like, well, I don't know how that's going to happen unless I do some things different. And so that's where I'm like, I got to I think I got to just, you know, I don't know. You're sober, too, right? Yeah, this year, this year's been a little little I've had a couple of tough moments to show this past year has been the toughest year that I've had in a while. Yeah, I hear that. But but like this is like, you know, when the drugs for me and smoking weed and, you know, that that was like those were my friends. I never did it to go party or like I was never like, hey, let's like go fucked up. I did it at home pretty much alone and I would just watch Family Guy. Just it was like a warm hug, warm blanket. When you get rid of your friends, it's like what's left? It's like work, nicotine. Yeah. Am I supposed to give up those two? Like it's all I have. Like your body needs to appreciate the friends you just let go. You know, it's it's if you let go of too many things at once, like it, it's not good for you. So it's like, I don't know if that's how it is with you, but like it's hard to have a healthy relationship with like, like my reliability is right now or like working, Zen and like working out and taking care of my girl and like hanging out with her. That's like, that's all I have. Like if you pull one of those, it's like three left. You know, I used to have eight things and now it's like, so it's tough. It's tough. Yeah, I think it's like I do think there's a lot of stuff there where it's like, I don't want to probably see some of it, you know, or I don't really want to feel like if I don't have some girl to text or a date to plan or something in the distance or some work thing, like if I took everything away and I was just with myself, how would I feel? You know, or what would that be like? And it would probably be fine. But I think it's the fear of what would that be like? It's that it's the hurdle, not the other side. A lot of times for me, you know, it's the same thing that comes with like commitment to relationships. I had the toughest time committing relationships. I think it's just it's probably fine on the other side. Right. It's just fucking stepping over the hurdle sometimes. You think you romanticize the fear a little bit as an out where it's just like in your head, you're like, no, this is what it's going to be like. And then there's like a fear of like, I do it and that's not what it's like. And then that whole thing is gone. Does that make sense? It's hitting into me. Like, do you think like having that set answer of like, well, if I do that, I won't be able to commit or it's going to go wrong or whatever. Like you're preventing yourself from even trying to do it. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because it probably is what you need. Right. Like, and you can do it. And there's almost like a not like you don't believe in yourself enough. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because that's a lot of a lot of my issues are like that. Yeah. Well, I'm like, I he can't do that. Like, I can't. I can't. Oh, that's interesting. And then I can't. I like I like prove myself wrong and I'm not who I thought I was. Oh, and that's scary. Not be you thought you were. Yeah. Because that's the person that I whoever that person is, whatever there is of them, that's what I've known. Yes. And that's and that you're comfortable in that. Yeah. Even if it's traumatic or you're depressed, like I was so I'm so afraid to be happy. Yeah. Because it's uncomfortable. Dude, there was a time this is like a year ago. It's funny you're saying some of this, man. And thanks for thinking about it with me. No, of course. Um, yeah, the atomic year ago, I was thinking, uh, if I don't want to feel like I don't even know who I'd be if I was happy. And if I was, I would leave all of these feelings that I've always known so much that are like the best fucking friends, you know, and it would be like, I almost didn't need, man, I don't want to go to live like that because I'll desert these. Whether they're lies or truths, whatever they are, they're probably all in somewhat of cloaks or masks, but I don't want to desert them. I'm so used to being at this party with this other small group of fucking lonely, perverted. No gambling a little, but you know, that group that I don't even want to go over there. But still, yeah. So I think there's a lot. There's probably just the fact of even taking time away to sit and have conversations like this or to be in environments where I'm not, uh, like regulating how I feel with Celsius, which the Amish are using now. I've heard that was the best. I don't know if you're recording, but I mentioned before that that dude was awesome. And you said you were in contact with him. Yeah. And my question was how? Dude, we got to send you over there to see that. I would love to hang with that, dude. Sometimes like, I don't know, when I watched it, one, I thought it was really cool. You did that because you switch it up. You'll have like an Oscar actor, then an athlete, then like this Amish kid. Um, but it made me like appreciative for like what I get to do and what we get to do and what we, some things I take for granted when he was just like stoked to like get in a Corvette with like two chicks. And he's like, that was like my whole life. And I'm like, oh, it was pretty fast. Yeah. Press the pedal. Yeah. So it made me super reflective. Like, and like that one, I thought he was adorable. Yeah, he's nice. Yeah. Nice and like very honest and earnest, but I also was just like, man, I got to start, stop, like take a shit like that for granted. Yeah. I think a lot of that just comes into gratitude, you know, and having that, if we can mask, if we can just try to get that as part of our days, you know, I struggle with that, but I think that's it too. You know, your serotonin must be so fucked. Like you're operating at such a crazy level, dude. You're interviewing the fucking president. Like you get to do shit every day that is someone's like, if I get to do that once in my life, like that's my whole life. Yeah. You're living that every day. So it's like that the crash is, it's hard. Well, you too, man. I mean, at least you got to date a lot of beautiful women. I got stuck just interviewing the president of this Amish kid. I trade. I trade, dude. I trade. I'm not trading. Nemi's only 16. I will say a funny thing about him. The one of my favorite things is I was like, see, do you ever listen to music? He's like, well, we do three hymns every day when we get to school. He goes, he was, but every now and then we'll sneak off and listen to some death leopard. That's awesome, dude. That's fucking awesome. And cool for death leopard. That's what I thought. Dude, they should do Amish festival. They should go straight there. Absolutely. Right to the source. Right to the fucking source. I haven't heard of death lepros since Joe Dirt. Death leopard sucks. But that shit made me laugh. And he said they listened to some Morgan Wallin. Who's that? That's and some Ghana. I mean, and Ghana. Yeah, that's I would pay to see. Bring that up. But also wait before you do the guy on the left in this photo. Is that not Bruce Springsteen? Yeah, it is. Obviously that's Bruce Springsteen. Uh, how? Yeah. What do you mean? That's not Bruce Springsteen. Who is that guy? I know he's a death leopard, but that's Bruce Springsteen. Who is that guy? Google, like zoom in. That's that's Bruce Springsteen. Dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, right now. Now it's not as much, but it looked like him for a second. There's David Hasselhoff over there on the right. Do you have footage of him listening to Ghana, dude? Oh, no, but he does have a good quote about it. I would love, you know, what's one of the funny things is Morgan Wallin and I were texting and he's like, man, I think what if that kid did that walkout with me at my concert? Oh, dude. And but he doesn't have an idea. He was going to maybe he I think it was I think it was being considered for Canada. He was showing Edmonton last week, but they don't get the honest, don't get identification. Oh, wow. They're off the map. They don't get like a pass. No ID. No, if somebody's like, you have an ID, you have to just draw a picture of yourself and show it to him like that. But they have like bursts. They don't have any of that shit. I don't like off grid like that. I'm going to get him to come back another time and get a little bit more in depth with him. Dude, he comes. He has a backwards hat. He has fucking ice on. He's so different. He's talking down to you. Like, I would love to see that episode. So full of himself. We're in a fucking Ricky Williams jersey. He has a tattoo on his back. This buttered on. Sure. Don't turn on me. Yeah, don't turn on me, dude. Let's play this. He got to get a couple of those, like a couple getter done. A couple like, yeah, we have to get him a couple of hawk to us sort of statements, you know what I mean? So he could sell his own merch out in the Amish country out of his hat, pulling out merch out of the hat. That'd be fire. Or she saw those. Music. Do you guys listen to, I know you said in the beginning, there's some difference. Sometimes it was people sneaking some deaf leopard. Yeah. Not you guys just sing a lot. Is there a lot of Amish songs and dancing as well or no? In our community, there's not really any dancing. There's the like the only like the only music songs that are really allowed or would be like like chairman hymns. Then sometimes we like sneak out on the weekends and stuff and. And listen to some soldier boy or something. Yeah. Like, yeah. Deaf leopard, you know, Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi. A lot of Amish, like rock and roll. And then I guess how is idiom music? And then also like a lot of country like Garth Rhodes. Mark and Walling. We crank up Spotify. Listen to like little bit of rap stuff. Like Amish Paradise is that's a pretty good song. Who sang that? We're at Elie Ankevic. I did. Oh, idiom. That's perfect sense. That's great. Yeah. Amish Paradise is a pretty, I love that song. It's a banger, huh? It is a banger. Yeah. He looks a little bit mad there, but it was a pretty good song. It's like me liking a song that just is called 9-eleven. Also, like I like to listen a little bit of like rap stuff, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like Ghana, a little bit of Ghana. Oh, you're listening to some Ghana? Yeah. Like, like I don't really listen to what he says. I looked at the lyrics like a couple of times and like there are there's the lyrics on the best, but like. It sounds very melodic. He's a vibe. Yeah. That's good. That's dope, dude. That's good. That kid rules. He does rule, man. You know what's funny, man? Even you saying that about him, it's like. Anyone I think about it, like the worst thing I think is like about drugs, addiction, that sort of thing. And it could be like I'm in like group like SLA, like I'm in all like I'm in a lot of different groups, you know, like intimacy disorder type shit, like. Connect connectivity disorder, you know, like. Which probably some of you stems from just like watching porn and growing up like that, but any addiction stuff, it takes you away from like just good moments in life, right? Yeah. It takes you away from like the mornings where you get to meet up and meet with a friend for call for you. You get to work out and feel good about yourself walking out or you get to text a friend in the morning and say, Hey, have a great day, right? Or you get to sit with somebody like that, who's just. Because you wake up and you're like, don't jerk off, don't jerk off, don't jerk off. Yeah. And then you jerk off and then you can hang out with your family. Oh, that's a fuck. Worse, dude. It's tough, dude. When you feel like everybody knows you've been jerking off. Yeah. Yeah. It's worse. It's like smoking weed where you're like, everyone knows I'm high. Everyone knows I just jerked off. Yeah. Because I'm so relaxed. Do you keep up with it when are you more into the meetings and stuff when you're like, fuck, I like, I'm like tweaking, or do you do it both like regularly and when you're. Oh, if I'm having tough times or not having tough times, I'm always to go to meetings. Cool. Yeah. Meetings have always been kind of a thing for me, I think. Um, do you have a, do you have, I'm sure, I don't know if you feel this way, but sometimes you're in a meeting and you're like, some of these dudes just like to talk. Yeah. You know, where you're like, oh, this guy's here. Yeah. And he's going to tell that story. And it's so long. Yeah. And it means so much to him. And it's pretty mid compared to anything I've ever done. It's not, it's not to diminish his stuff. But like, yeah, there's some meat. There's some meeting like warriors where you're like, okay. Yeah. I got it. One dude would play that song, this little light of mine. Have you ever heard that during his shares or whatever? I never saw it, but I know that song. This little light of mine. I'm going to let it shine. But he would put that really low on his phone while he would share it a meeting dude and people would be like, oh, dude, that's tough. So some of that shit was crazy. But then that's when I'm recognized, oh, I have, I'm impatient with people. And this is a practice for me to just sit here and be patient. Right. You know, um, yeah. But the best is also that's annoying as fuck. Yeah. Yes. But then you have to find the balance. Yeah. But because that is, that sucks. I don't want you to think you're acting out a character like I need to be a better person. That sounds like it's miserable. Yeah. And someone's even do the city cane holder. Whatever that song is. But you be go back. Oh, it was a whole man. City. Can't hold. Who cares? Have you been jerking off or not? It's Raymond's turn to share. Let's fucking keep it moving, dude. Sometimes you're like, fuck. But then you're like, I'm impatient. And that's why I'm probably not, probably why I'm not, I have not in a relationship. I'm just impatient, you know, or like those types of things, you know, oh, it's Macklemore. Sorry, dude. I love Macklemore. I love Macklemore too. I hope he drops a bag or two. We miss him. Bro, get with the Amish, bro. Oh, he'd be perfect. That would be perfect. That would be sick. The Macklemore revival in Amish country. Bro, if Macklemore hit up the Amish, dude, that's a that's a untapped market. This label can't hold us. This yellow fever can't hold us. Do they get diseases out there? I don't even know. Well, they don't have doctors, right? They just have a guy that's like the bishop. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he says all the time. Do people drop like flies in Amish? People don't die that much. There's no depression. There's no ADHD out there. But they're living there. Well, how big is is the town? Like, is it a mile? It's a good point. They they imagine it just looks like a back to the future to three set. Doesn't work. Yeah, just like just like six like houses and dirt, you know, and I think you're right. Right. He gave a tour of his house. He said that he somebody said when his parents were out not out of town, but they were like another district. Is that it right there? Oh, that's the back to the future. It looks like that, dude. It has to. He's setting up an Airbnb over there. Did you want you started to feel better? Did you did that create a space? Because I know you're having a child. You have a child. I'm having a child. Yeah, a boy. We have not disclosed. But you do know, though. Oh, we know. OK, got it. Yeah. But yeah, coming soon, dropping a baby soon. OK. Yeah, I'm fucking thrilled, dude. That's cool. It was was it hard to get to that place? Do you think you'd have been able to get there if you didn't get in a sub like in a sobriety or those sort of things or get into recovery like that? Sort of environment like did that adjust any of the way that you were like thinking about having a family or relationships or anything? So thank God that I'm sober and where I wish I had more time. I don't think anybody's ever like, I'm ready. I don't I wouldn't know. But I wish I had more time of sobriety because it's only been like a year in change. But I'm very grateful that it happened now and with the person. What else? And because, you know, when. In other relationships or when I was in, I was I was a drug addict and, you know, very mentally deranged. But like that was my goal. Like I need to need to have a kid. I need to get married. Like because that's how I grew up. Like all my aunts and uncles got married at like 21 and they knew and they knew each other since grammar school and like they had three kids by 26. Oh, that's fire department statin. Yeah, yeah. Blue collar in a burn unit and fucking. Yeah. Yeah. So like skin grafts and then we're having. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like every music video. Like, you know, but I was so not ready. I was not. I didn't even know. I still don't really know who I am. I think I'm learning, but I there is no fucking way that that was possible. And I almost think that's that's why it didn't happen because I was like, I need to do this, I have to do this. And, you know, no one wanted to do that with me. Like, you know, like, you know, but I think I knew that. And that's why it was like. And then I just then I just was I stopped dating and I was like. I need to fucking get better. And I need to like be in a place where I could even have a healthy relationship. And like, if that comes great, it's like you can't like can't go into stuff with like this, I got to like that's first of all, it's a lot of pressure on your partner. It's a lot of pressure on you. And you're like kind of setting yourself up for failure. And it's like, you know, that was just like my whole upbringing was like, that's how it works. So I think it was like kind of backwards for me, especially in this business. That's not how that works. Yeah. You know, because people have options. You know, when you're growing up in a small town, it's like, there's these four girls we can you can pick from. Yeah. Like this is this is what I went to school with. You know, so. Um. I'm really grateful it happened now. And I wasn't looking for a relationship or looking to, you know, obviously I wanted to, but I wasn't looking to have a baby. It all just kind of happened at once. And it's been like, awesome. Yeah. I'm like relieved it's her and just, it's, yeah, I'm fucking excited, dude. It's awesome. And it's also like selfishly, like I get to be unselfish. Like I'm not the focal point of my life anymore where it's like. So sick of myself. I'm fucking exhausted. Like I get like when I was exhausted, you just as people. Yeah. No, I get it. Like now I like, I get it. Like I was like, I do. No, I'm serious. I was just, I was just, I'd be like, yeah, I'd fucking, I'd be annoyed too. Like I didn't like how I didn't think that's how I was. And I think anybody that knows me knows that's not. Oh, no, I was totally just joking. But I think you see people's faces so much. I just think that's even how I feel, dude. I'll see it. So, you know, like, God, somebody burned me down. I just like, it's relentless. What else do we have to like? It's what I still think it's too much. Like, you know, I'm amazed by people who could, you know, who are super famous and do amazing work that just like you only see them when they're working and there's not like random articles like these two guys hung out or he went to a next game. It's like, I'm so envious of people that are able to, you know, separate, you know, that, that sort of life. But yeah, it's tough though. It's tough because they need shit to write about all day because our minds are so, you know, every two hours you forget that you want to read something else. So like, I think it's tough. It's tougher to be like, that's someone's gonna be like, it's so hard to be a celebrity. But like, it's, it's tougher. That's life. It's tougher now. And, you know, some of these. We should just be able to hide. Remember the only things we knew where Richard Gear was, you know, starting a pet store in his ass or whatever. Yeah. And what else? That's about. Then you see one of his movies and you're like, I don't care. Yeah. He's. Yeah. He's good. Set up shop. Yeah. This movie fucks. And you're, and he's handsome. Hey, I'll even watch him do a little Dr. Doolittle. Bro, that would have been a great sketch, dude. If he just, if he just owned it, I bet he would have been able to beat that if he just did SNL and played Dr. Doolittle. And then what a crazy story. That's so like, that's one of the so many stories where I'm just like, how did this ruin someone's life? Like there's there's rumors that like. Great stories. Ron Stewart drank so much cum his stomach need to be pumped. And I was like, dude, I was like, that's what when you're when you're in high school, you're like, oh, yeah, fucking idiot. And then you're like 30. You're like, that's not even possible, man. Where do you even get that? Yeah, there's no there's no amount of cum in the world that you could. I wouldn't think I don't know. I think if you had a lot, it looks like, I don't know. I'm only seeing somebody have a little. Yeah. Yeah. Like, where are you getting all this cum from? Well, that's another thing. That's another thing. I don't know. But yeah, I remember just now it has plot microplastics in it a lot of it. Yeah. It's the craziest non GMO cum. Yeah. Yeah. Our cum is even bad in America. 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And then I would, what really freaked me out was I like, I would call Sandler or like Stiller or like, you know, I was like, Hey, when you, when you were like young and sound like, I don't know about it. I never, I never really got that. And we're dealing with sucks. You know, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm so alone in this, dude. And like when you call the goats and the big, big dogs and they're like, I don't fuck it. So it became a like, it got to the point where I like wouldn't go outside and like I would stay inside and then these all of a sudden, I was like, articles would keep coming up and like, it's always like a source close to me. And I'm like, I don't even have friends anymore. I'm like, who are these people? And then it got to a point where I was just like, I'm not doing anything. This is running my life. Whether I am happy or go out or not, this is still going to happen. I might as well like go fucking have fun. Like who the fuck cares. And then what really helped me was I would put someone else's name in the title of the article and see if I cared. Yeah. You know, I'd be like, you know, someone's like Hugh Jackman, so and so. So I'm like, oh, I don't really give a fuck. Yeah. But when it's you, you're like, everybody's reading this. Everybody when they look at me, this is what they think. And it's like, it's not true. No one reads that shit. That's the truth, really. No one, literally no one reads that shit except for like people in our shit. And the people that write it and the people that still give a fuck about like you're like a bus driver. Like they just like want to see you do the thing they like that you do. Like they want to see you in a movie or they want like no one's like fucking go, no one has time for that. But we're in this like bubble where it's like, we think all this shit is like matters. Well, I think that's a scary thing about Hollywood scary thing that always kind of scared me about Hollywood and that sort of environment is it feels like they build you up and then they can all it's this cycle, right? They can't wait. Right. And it feels like it's dirty, but it's just the most opportune cycle. Every moment of it, there's a possibility for everything, right? And so it. Yeah, I think that's a joke. I'm going to scowl right now. Fucking two years ago, you know, he's hard working at great actor Eddington was great. You see it? Yeah, it's fucking great. Joaquin and that guy fucking Ari Aston is just fucking he is good. Huh? He's so good. He just makes sure what I'm just like, I would never be able to think like that, you know, but everyone was like, he's worked so hard. And, you know, it's been a struggling actor fucking blows up so fucking hard. Everyone's like, Daddy, Daddy. Yeah. Daddy, Daddy, right? And then a year later, he's like in everything now because he's hot and big and everyone's like, go to fuck away, dude. It's like, yo, give hope ice gets Pascal. You're like, what the fuck, dude? It's also just like, you got to give someone time to adjust to that new level of fame. Like, you know, he's been banging at it for 30 years. And now he's like, he's learning how to go get a cup of coffee or like deal with someone that like taps you on the shoulder where you have your earbuds in. Frick shout, like, can't give that guy a fucking second to like adjust. Like, you know what I mean? And also like, what happened? They're going to do it with Walton Goggins will be next. They'll be like, what the fuck? You know, it's like we build everybody up and now it's so fast. It's like so fast to turn and then it's crazy. Bro, it's like within months. It's within months where you're like, what the fuck? I'm just Timothy, huh? Yeah. Out here drinking homogenized milk. I've heard they'll be bringing him down soon. Even like the, you know, like, I know it's different, but like the thing with that Hawk to a girl was so sad. Like, I remember just being like, this is sad. Yeah. Like she's not, you know what I mean? What's going on here? She's jerking or something. She was kind of hypothetically BJ BJing a man or something on the interview. And then they got her into a meme calling or something. I was like, yeah, she was like this sweet girl. That's like everyone fell in love with her because like she's like, you know, kind of normal and like just cares about pets and everyone's like, this girl is actually cool. You know, then does like one thing that didn't go the way everybody wanted it to. And like, she doesn't know how to fucking run crypto. Like I don't even know what fuck. I don't even know what crypto is, dude. If I can't hold it physically, like I don't fuck with it. Yeah, dude. And the fact that people were like, yeah, I'm like, you like this girl, this is who you're going to, everything going on in the world and fuck this girl. Are you kidding? Like leave her alone. Yeah, she had a pretty good blow job recipe. I thought, you know, yeah, I laughed. You know, I mean, God, this is the animal. So crazy. It's crazy, dude. But I think it's I think as if you can get on the right side of your own self, right, then you can be in control or you can at least have some awareness. And that's where I think like the value is these days is the relationship you can have with yourself is more important than ever. And just understanding of what's going on that this is how it is. And so let me be in control of myself and not just at the whims of how do other people feel about me, just all these little things of, you know, like all these addictive things, you know, it's like if the more you can get control over yourself, the better chance you have, you know, there's also a party that has to go through it to understand a little bit. Like, yeah, I mean, like I was also super judgy, like growing up, like fuck that, like this is an example I love to use. You know when Christian Bell like yelled at that dude on the Terminator set? Yeah. So I was like 12 years old when that audio came out. You want me to trash your fucking lights? You know, it's distracting, right? And I remember hearing that and being I was 12, I was like, what an asshole. Fuck Christian Bell. You're a Batman, dude. You're yelling out like a lighting dude. 10 years later, I made one movie. I was like, what the fuck did that lighting guy do? Yeah. To make Christian Bell so mad that he even knew who he was. Like, and then you and then I did some digging and it's like the guy was in the shot. Yeah. He was on his phone and Christian Bell is trying to cry to a Terminator. Oh, he's a 35 year old man trying to cry to a robot. Right. In a bad days is easy, but this is 20 years in a bad movie. Like, he's trying to cry halfway through a bad movie. And there's a lighting guy fucking around in a shot. The lighting guys over there. Yeah, doing these things. Yeah. No, I'm doing it. Yeah. So it's like he was right. But like the world don't know that because not the world has not made a movie. Yeah. Or like dealt with any of that stuff. There's no way to win, right? There's no way to win the thing where everybody likes you. It's all just a trap, you know? Yeah. And they could smell it on you. And we don't know what people are going through. You don't know what Christian Bell is going through. Yeah. He's so good. He's unbelievable. It's also just like, I remember, you know, before it's how in state you say, but before you're at a certain level or in this thing, like, I remember I just like, well, that guy's a fucking dick. Like you see like a video of someone being like, Hey, can I take a picture? They're like, Hey, man, I'm like eating or like, whatever. It's like, maybe that guy's like fighting with someone or like maybe he's having a bad day, maybe his grandpa is sick, or maybe he's just fucking hung over or there's so many re like, think about how you feel every day. You know, so we're just so quick to be like, Oh, I got a fucking asshole. Yeah, maybe he's tired, dude. Yeah, he's tired. Yeah, maybe he's has maybe as a back, maybe it's one of those things that are supposed to be working out your abs on. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he's in the fucking zone, dude. Yeah, he's locked in. Oh, um, oh, so the tour, let me find out the dates you're going on to. I don't want to keep you too long. It's been a fun conversation, dude. I love it. And I'm just glad to think something about some of this stuff. Yeah, definitely. Right when you walked in, man, I can see a whole different light in your eyes just overall, you know, just like a warm energy that feels hopeful. And it's not judgmental. I just, but I see it in a lot of sober guys, you know, you see guys, they're just like, they're feeling good, you know, and it's appreciate that. And you've always been advertising so kind to me and awesome, like throughout. I don't know if you remember, but I remember we used to live in LA. We used to run into you all the time at the improv. And as I was a kid and getting older and you are always so, so kind and cool. And oh, thanks. Yeah, especially at times where people, certain people weren't or like the popular thing was to be like, fuck that dude. And he was just always awesome. I always appreciated that. So well, thanks Pete. That's nice to you. I know my friends, Simon Rex thinks so highly of you and who crispy. Hey, crispy, baby. Crispy, baby. How about that, dude? He's so great. Huh? The turnaround. He helped me so much one night. He saw me do a set at the last actor and he tweeted about it. And it was like the first person that was like, like, I love Simon sense of what's cool, right? He just because he's his own thing. And then on apologetic. Yes. Just like this guy's act is cool. Something that just made me feel like, whoa. And that was like, it's still one of the highlights of my whole life. And then, um, yeah, I knew you guys had spent some time together over the years. He's the best, dude. We like live together for a while. He's he's the fucking man. Also, just like love. We all love a turnaround, man. Like, oh, yeah, his glow up like crazy, crazy red rocket. That movie was bonkers. That's the first movie premiere I ever went to was to see his red to see. I guess you actually see his red rocket. Yeah, you kind of do. There's a weiner. I hope it's an actor weiner or whatever. An actor weiner is hilarious. But yeah, you know, look at that face weiner that we're paying for. Yeah. So, oh, yeah, that was fun, dude, watching him. Yeah. And also just like, you know, when he got, I remember I cried. When he got that indie award. Like, you know, you see actors that are at the top of their game or, you know, very wealthy or, you know, you're not saying Simon's not. I'm just saying, like, you see people who are kind of used to that sort of reception. And it was like the most honest. If you guys are at home, watch Simon Rex win an indie spirit award. It is. You get so emotional, dude. Like it means so much to him. And like, you know, he's awesome and stuff. But like, you know, he was kind of in a certain category. He would self-admittedly say like people not that people didn't take him seriously. Just like, you're a silly goose. Sort of. Yeah. And he is a silly goose. And he is. But he found his own. He felt like it's silly goose fucking can is full of golden eggs. Yeah. Simon Simon Baker. Simon. Director. No, Sean Baker, Sean Baker. Geez, I should. I should probably know that. Maybe I don't know. Put me in your movie. No, he's a really nice guy. But Sean Baker saw it like just saw the magic in him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, the Florida Project was way too fucking long to I'll say that Sean Baker and I'll say that shit with my chest. We played a little bit of Simon gets it. OK. What the fuck? Thank you, film independent for recognizing my fake penis. Right away. Silly goose. Where do I begin? Uh, Sean Baker. Sean Baker, you took a shot on me when I could not get a call back for a Geico commercial. I couldn't get arrested and this man believed in me and took a shot. And I'm so glad I delivered for you, Sean. Truly, you're a genius writer, director, editor, casting. He did it all and he decided to give me a shot and I didn't want to let him down. And here I am. I honestly, my career was in the toilet. I gave up. I moved out to Joshua Tree and said, maybe it's all over. And all of a sudden I get a phone call out of the blue from Sean and he just gave me a shot. And he called me and said, look, do you trust me? And I seen this film, so I did trust him. And he said, you're not going to make any money. I'm not going to make any money. We're going to go make a movie real quick. And we made something special on a very low budget with a 10 person crew. I want to thank everybody from the crew of the film. Everyone in the cast, Susanna, Son, my co-star. Thank you so much. I want to thank Brie Elrod, my other co-star in the Love Triangle. Every local actor from Texas, who was a first time actor. So cool. They blew me away. This was like one of those magical things that happens once in a lifetime. And I don't even I'm still in shock. We shot this during COVID. Even finishing this movie was ambitious. And I'm reeling from the whole experience. So also, you know, thank you to film independent, everybody. Thank you, H24. Thank you, Film Nation. Thank you, LaPact. Thank you, Focus. That's good. Universal. His ending is crazy. At the end, he just goes, I'll give a fuck anymore. And all I want to do, I don't care about fame or money. I got caught in that trap a long time ago. I've been in this business 25 years and it's not about anything except doing good work. I just want to continue to surprise people and do good work. And that's really what this is all about. This movie was made for million dollars with a 10 person crew. I got caught up in that shit a long time. I'm just happy to be a special guy. He's a good guy, man. He is. He's crispy. Oh, that's so crispy, baby. I've met so many great people through through him. And it's super tapped it like. And if people know him, it's like, oh, OK. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like kind of like like that trustworthy. Like he's like elbow. It's like, OK, then I'll then I'll let these two parts of it come. Absolutely. And he's like, you know, he dates back fucking. He'll be like, yeah, I was hanging with you. Like, how the fuck do you know? He dated Betsy Ross, his fucking daughter. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, it feels like it's like crazy shit. Yeah, he's like, I was hanging out with so I'm like, how? Because you know, he's like 50, but like he looks 37. Yeah. But also 80 at the same time. Like he's like, I call him Desert Hot. Where he's just like, you're like, what are you, dude? But yeah, he's fucking. He's a he's unbelievable. He's the best. A lot of his. Yes, some of his ex-girlfriends have even passed away, dude. Some in this hotel in his room. So Brittany Murphy. But what else? A couple of things you're excited about about having a child and then we'll get you we'll get you out of here. You know, it sounds super corny, but just like super stoked to give this kid a happy childhood and be reliable and just like not. You just don't want your kid. I mean, fuck, though, I know I'm not a dad, but I'm going to be. But like, I assume I just want my kid to not have the same troubles I I had and fears and insecurities and just like just be there. Just like be there and be like a solid like rock, you know. And also I'm excited to see my girl be a mom. That's that's gonna be cool. That is cool. You know, and it'll probably be so hot, too. Oh, yeah. I'm just like, whoa, you put a fucking apron on or whatever. Yeah, you get to do cool mom shit, you know, and scream, I. Boss is here. I'm like, oh, fuck yeah. So hot. No, but OK, I'm just one of those. Yes, we can tattoo. Yeah, I'm just excited. You know, Halloween, we all dress up. Oh, it's fun. Because now Halloween will be cool and not like sad, you know, that we're all being whores and we're 30, you know. Yeah, you're out there slurping some chicks, crotch for a snicker. But yeah, totally. Tight shit, man. Hell yeah, dude. Oh, so. And then after you're done slurping, she's like, I don't even have snickers. You know, like, oh, we. Oh, dude. Boo, boo. So yeah, all that. How does Amy feel? Does she that what she's she? My mom would have this kid with me if she could. My mom has been fucking starved for a grandchild. She's already she's talking to my girl's belly being like, I made me. I made me. She's like, that's grandma. I made me. I'm like, you got to back off. That's a little cultural appropriation as well. A little bit. You got to back off a little bit. She's overly excited. It's also it's it's sweet because I feel guilty about my mom giving up dating and just having a life in general to raise me and my sister alone. And I didn't realize it till I got older, like, oh, shit, like she was kind of a goat. Like she she really cared. And I feel like since me and my sister moved out and we're getting older, like she's she's kind of I don't want to talk in any sort of way about. But I feel like she's kind of bored and a little lonely. Yeah, because I've been like, you should date. And she's like, nah, your dad was my guy. And I'm like, they don't make you you anymore. This woman, you know what I mean? And I just I'm I'm very excited to for her to have not purpose, but just like to be excited about something and like, yeah, baby, something, you know, and raise raise something. So I'm really excited to see see her in that in that grandma role. It's going to be cool, dude. I'm excited for Amy. Yeah, I'm stoked. So it's going to be fun. And it just grow the family. It's cool. You guys deserve it. Thanks, man. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm also like, we're we're if I don't know if if you have a huge family. But my I have six aunts and uncles and they all have three, four kids. So there's like 40 cousins. And I was like, I was first in the paint to have a kid. So really? Yeah. So I'm so this baby to get all the love. I'll be first. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm stoked. That's going to be awesome, man. I was just thinking real fast about I think my silver lining. That's a good movie. It's so good to think about it. God, I saw that the other I saw it like a couple of weeks ago. I remember Chris Tucker was in it. Ran, you're like, oh, shit, it's Chris Tucker. Dude, that movie is so good. Oh, no, the movie frequency. Have you ever seen it? Jim Cavizel, Dennis Quaid. Yeah, dude, I got one of my favorite movies. It makes me think of you whenever I see it. Bro, yo, I've been waiting to talk frequency with someone my entire life. So I love that movie so much for obvious reasons. But here's what's really funny. Two thousand two that came out of what, 98 or 2000? Right. Yes. Good movie. So it's 2002 and my grandma for Christmas got me the frequency VHS or DVD. And she was like, you're going to love this movie. And I watched it and I was just like, why would she give it to me? Like it was not a movie at like eight years old, six months after my dad died, that I was like prepared to see. But it's literally the Pete Davidson fantasy. So guys, you got to Jim Cavizel is is fucking in the present. He's 30 years old and his dad's dead. And he was a fireman and his dad died like 20, 30 years ago or whatever. And he gets this old CB radio and there's this weird thing going on in the sky and he just like plugs it in one night because he's sad. And then his dad is on the other side 20 years ago talking. They talk to each other and they solve a crime. And they fucking and he comes back at the end. He changes the life trajectory. And I'm just like, oh, my God. Yeah, I hope it happens. I really do. There's a there's a legit part of me that's like sometimes I'll be in eBay and I'll be like CB radio. Working, working, not project working. I don't want a project. But yeah, it's my fantasy right now. Yeah, let me dope. Or at least let me remake it. You know, I've been seeing like they're making like the show about 9-11 and I'm like, call me up, dude. I should be grandfathered into the. I should get I should get a piece of those. The power of the power of filmmaking and stuff. Man, this movie filled in little spots for I think anybody who is who's who had a father didn't have a father. Just it fills in little pieces, right? And I think that's what art does for her people, man. I think you're going to be able to do a lot of that for people in the future. If you want, man, it's also so exact. That's so good. You ever have a do you have a movie like that where you're like, this is about me. Oh, I kind of think like family man. Sometimes that's a movie I love the most. Yeah, Nicholas Cage holiday movie, the Christmas movie. I don't even know why, but that's like the and then a league of their own about lesbianism or whatever in the 40s or whatever. I love Zero Dark 30. I haven't seen Zero Dark 30. Oh, dude, I like jerk off to it. Oh, it's about Sealed Team Six taking out Osama Bin Laden. It's fucking awesome. We'll show them, you know? But this one thing that I did, I saw Dennis Craig one time and I said, man, frequency is I think one of my favorite movies ever. And he goes, he goes, it's one of my favorite movies. Dude, I told him at the Montreal County Festival. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like cool and like out and about. So cool. And I ran some and I was like, hey, like I had like tears in my eyes. I was like, you like you changed my life. But he was like, hey, man, I love that movie too. I was like, yes. Yes. Pretty cool. Yeah, he's awesome. We went to the same dentist for a while. Oh, really? Yeah, we're just in that same. You know that when you live in LA, you know that like he passed Fairfax. It's just that giant like office building. Yeah. And he just would always be in there at the same time. Oh, dude, look, you look hot, dude. Definitely was having a tough time. He actually got in a fight in the parking lot on the way out. That I believe someone said frequency sucks. And he was like, I'm safe. Pete Davis is life. He was it was it was some sort of a dispute in the parking lot. But it was a true story. And God bless him and Randy Quaid. We almost had him being spade wrote a movie and we almost had Randy Quaid in it, but he couldn't get back into the country. Yeah, what's going on? He's on like the run from the authorities. It's a lot of things. We're looking to have him on. So maybe you'll come in and talk to us about it. Yeah, he's a legend. Oh, yeah. He was the Quaid at one point. Yeah, he was the main quaid. And now Jack is and how Jack Quaid, Jack of all quades, dude. Dude doesn't get better. You just slam dunked all over the fucking place. The Jack of all quades. I'll accept that. That's unbelievable. I'm jealous. The tour dates. Let's say one more time, Pete, and then we'll get you out of your man. Thanks so much, dude. Dude, thank you. A lot of pleasure for me. And we got Singapore on the 26th of September. Perth on 28th, Melbourne on the 29th, Sydney on the first, I guess there's a little break there. Then the third, I'm at the Riyadh, Riyadh Saudi Arabia Fest, October 5th. I'm in Berlin at the Tempo Drone. Tempo Drone. That's Germany. And you got October 6th in Amsterdam. Amsterdam. October 8th in London. London, the Palladium. Very excited to do that. And then Dublin on the 9th and Belfast on the 10th. Hooray. Nothing better than Ireland, brother. I'm excited. That's the best, dude. I'm excited. Belfast, they made the Titanic there. They did? Yeah, they made it. And it's crazy. They screwed up, dude. They did. But they still have a museum about it. It's like, you gotta fuck that. Yeah, if I was that country, I would ignore it. Yeah, me too, dude. Yeah. It would be like one of those things like, yeah, we did. Anyway, here's Guinness. We did also make Guinness. And yeah, that's good enough. Pete Davidson, congrats, dude. Thank you very much. You're gonna be a dad. You're gonna be out there inspiring some young child's future. And give a hug to Amy Forrest, man. And we love your congratulations on an exciting career. And thanks for just sharing some stuff with us today. Thanks. Love you too, man. Appreciate it. And please, if you see the Amish kid alone, again, tell me something about that. I will. You know what? I'll get a note from him for you. Oh, please. Yeah. Go. Go. Now I'm just floating on the breeze. And I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh. Oh. But when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take.