Club Shay Shay - Iman Shumpert Part 2

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You were early invested in Uber. You got in this game, bro. And got right up out of there. Come on, Sean. Don't say that, Sean. As soon as I seen it was making a little money, I got it. Sean, you got to hold on to that for at least 20. Well, I ain't know nothing about nothing. I was broke. They gave me some money. Somebody said something about that. Uber sounded to me like, you remember Rent-A-Cab? Yeah. And what movie was that? Baps? Baps. And Baps. And Baps, the man, they basically was talking about Uber. What if you could have a private driver whenever you want? It was like call it phone a cab or some shit like that whatever And when I heard of oh, I'm like that's kind of like And I'm like But wait a second You know they're like man. Let me put a little money in there. I put a little money in there That shit flipped about two three times. Well, I took that money out so quick about so Why didn't you leave a little bit in there? Yes. Because I thought it would drop like the rest of everything else. But you had to have made your money. Even if it did drop, you just take the- Exactly. I still made my money. I'm saying. I just didn't make it as much. Yeah, you'd have, ooh. Yeah, I'd have clinked up. You know what I'm saying? That's like, if I knew about Bitcoin, I'd have glowed up too. Just didn't know shit. Man, I had an opportunity to get in Bitcoin, but I ain't know, because I'm not tech savvy. So to get into your wallet, I'd have never been able to get in my wallet. I'd have never been able to get into my wallet. And I had an opportunity to get into it. I think it was like $500. It was like $500 a coin. And the dude said, you know, because I know you, I'll let you get in at $500 a coin. And I get an opportunity to get like $15,000, $20,000 a coin. I said, bro, I appreciate that, but I can't. I don't know nothing about it. Oh, shit. I blew it, but he blew it. I messed up. I messed up. I'm a old man. I'm a old man. Yeah, yeah. I ain't know nothing about no business. Like I said, I couldn't have got into the wallet. I ain't going to lie. That would have been too much for you. You had way too much for you on your hands, bro. That would have been too much. I mean, what? You definitely wouldn't be doing this. You wouldn't be hanging out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have because I wouldn't have been able to get into the wallet. So I had to keep doing it. Because without the wallet, you can't open the wallet. It's useless. You got all that money just sitting at it. It's like your account. It's like you got all this money in this account and the government got your comp frozen. You see what's in there, but you can't get access to nothing. I got the new iPhone, and I didn't used to like it, but, yeah, they got my eye skin. I can't do no, y'all ain't got to worry about me doing no crime. They got my fingerprint eyes. Yeah. You feel me? Well, you go to the airport, if you got clear. They can steal my voice. If you got clear. Oh, yeah, I'm clear, too. Oh, yeah, they done got everything. You done got touchless. You got everything, so you ain't getting away with nothing. Yeah, I drive a Tesla now. Wonderful. I'm like, how they think of this? Every time I forget a password, they be like, you want to use your eyes? Yep. You damn sure I do. You want to save this password to the wallet? I damn sure do. We had G Herbo on, Sean. And we had somebody else on also. And we asked him, is Derrick Rose bigger to Chicago than Mike? Than Mike. Yeah. Mike's more to the game. Yeah. To Chicago? Just, we choosing sides. Mike a North Carolina boy. We happy we got him. Yeah. We happy what he did for the city. Poo was born here. Yeah. And really did this. Like, they followed him in high school. Simeon. We followed him to Memphis. Yup. We followed him to the league. Then he the youngest MVP. Yeah. And he brought that shit home to Chicago. He held that motherfucker up in Chicago. Oh, man. Hey, Poo is just... I ain't gonna lie. And it's weird because I played with him in Cleveland. Got to play against him. Me and him didn't get to go head-to-head until I got drafted because I lost in the Christmas tournament. It's a Christmas tournament? No, not Christmas. The Pontiac tournament. I lose in the Pontiac tournament. I lost the round before, but I was supposed to face him my junior year. We were supposed to see him in the championship. Chicago never got to see it. But it's like everything about Poo was Chicago, Chicago, Chicago, Chicago. We got to witness it, see everything. It's like, yeah, you went to the league, and you might not ever get six rings like Mike, but you really, Mike will never be from him. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it be Robert's hair. Like, people don't realize, like, when Poo, even when, like, if he wear a 150, you know what a 150 is, a buck 50 hat? Mm-mm. It's like a hat with a clock on it. No, I ain't never heard of that. I know what a buck 50 scar is, but I don't know. Yeah, the 150s. Yeah. We had the 150s and shit, but it's like, we wear 150s. 150s like most people look at that and be like, huh, well Poo will have a 150 on. He'll wear a Peli. But it's like you can see, you can be him for the day. Like you can see yourself in Poo. Nigga can't see theyself in Mike. Six, six, black as hell. Don't miss a game with him. You ain't lost in the finals, nigga. I ain't never been like you. Never. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like when you see Poo, even though Poo does stuff that's so amazing, he's also the dude that after the game makes his team wait on that bus while he signed every autograph. He signed every autograph. I'm like, what? Like, what make you such a... Who does that? I'm like, why are you such a good person? That's how I get to looking at when I play with him in Cleveland. Why are you so nice? You know you the youngest MVP ever? Right. You got a little f*** you money too. F*** these people. You ain't got to do that. Not every one of them. He's just so personable in that manner. I know for the longest everybody thought he was too quiet and shit, but you grew to appreciate it because when he speak, it means something. It hit. You know what I'm saying? I always felt like that. There's no disrespect to Mike, but D. Rose, homegrown, sure. All right. Give me a mile, Rushmore basketball players from the Chicago area. You got D. Rose, D. Wade, Isaiah Thomas, Anthony Davis, Tim Hardaway, Antoine Walker Q P bev and Doc Rivers you only get for sure I'm gonna go go I I'm gonna go Poo. I'm gonna go D-Wade. You know, I'm biased too. I'm biased. I'm going to throw Q Rich in there. I got to throw Q Rich in there just because it's the same way people don't understand. People be like, who your favorite player was growing up? As much as I like Mike, I'll be like, Jake Heard. They be like, people be thrown off like, what? But with Q Rich, I was one of them guys that it's like, you got to 360 me. The NBA had to 360 me. You got to get me. The game got to be good. The jerseys got to be raw. The crowd got to be nice. You know what I'm saying? Like sell everything to me. When Q Rich and D Miles used to. Yeah. Shorty, like as a shorty though, I remember mixing somebody, do something crazy, get to the cup naturally just. DePaul didn't even recruit me. Right. You see what I'm saying? But it's like I was a hometown kid. It's like, y'all could have got me off that alone. Yeah. They doing that. I'm like, what is that? That's so cool. Yeah. So cool. So, yeah, saying Q Rich, the only reason I'm going, all right, so I'm going to say Q Rich. Okay. All right. And then I'm going to put Will Bynum up there, too. We're going to make a new Mount Rushmore because Thrill mean so much to Chicago. Will had crazy game. Oh, my God. I don't think people appreciated him when he was in Indiana. You can't appreciate Will Bynum unless you come to the Pro-Am and let him walk the ball down the sideline while everybody's standing up. He could trade baskets with anybody in the world, and I used to watch him as a kid. So shout out Will Bynum, man. That's one of the dudes that when I went to Tech, that's why I felt so safe. He transferred there and then played with Jared Jack. But that was a good way. That was a good selling point for Coach Hewitt to say, you know, we got Will. You got Wills down here. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was like, yeah, Thrill down. Like, boy, you can put me on the phone. Thrill. Yeah, so, yeah, shout out to that boy, man. Shout out T.A. too, man. Tony Allen did a lot of taking me under his wing. It gets harder here. Now, I don't think there's any argument with the two guards. You get Jordan, you get Colby. But there's been a lot of debate with the three. the number three two guard, James Harden and D. Wade. You played against both of them. I think you played a half a year with D. Wade in Cleveland. So with the beard, Houston beard, Miami D. Wade. Who's better? Yeah. Who's number three on the two guard? D. Wade. D. Wade. Like, I mean, you know, hey, you know, beard was like that. That's still bad. I ain't going to lie. It's a preference for me. Yeah, okay. Like, D-Wade was a different type of animal. Like, that was another one of my favorite guys growing up. Like, just because when I watched him at Marquette, just some of the movements he did, it was just like, I think like that. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he performing at a different rate. He in the league, he doing this. But I'm like, I'd have did that, but we got what you call it, though. They could stay in the lane with us. When they start having the cleanse, I'm definitely pulling that. I'm like, I can't do it yet because I got to play the rules of high school, you know what I'm saying, being younger. But yeah, watching D-Wade, I haven't seen so much D-Wade film. You got to think, a lot of James Harden's whole shit is shooting threes. It goes against everything I believe in in Chicago. Being a Chicago kid, we is not allowed to shoot threes. If you lost because you were shooting threes, everybody going to be like, hey, I ain't going to see him play. He ain't got no will to win. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. James is one of the top scorers to ever do this. But it's like if you're going to show me a guy that drives and go get it to, you know what I'm saying, get it out the mud that way, I want to watch him. Do people realize how good? And D-Ray the champion. Do people give D-Ray the credit for how good he was before his knees started to give way? So when it's from his rookie year until probably like his second year with Braun. I think because of Braun, CP, it was a bunch of guys that outlasted him. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, shit, I came in after Braun. Braun still outlasted me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I had an ACL blow my first year in that movie. Like, how Braun stay healthy is unbelievable. Right. But I think a lot of times D-Way's greatness will get overshadowed because people have had, you know, extended careers. You know what I mean? Even Melo is, what, 17, 18? Yeah, Melo played about 19. Yeah, guys are getting up there in these years where it's like before we was thinking a good career, 12, 13 years. It's like, yes, you was in there. You did your thing. Excuse me, you probably got the fingers that go different ways. Yeah. Like, you know, all the old players got the fingers that's crooked as hell. Yeah, yeah. All type of stuff. But it's – But now 15 to 20 years is going to be commonplace. Because you look at Bron at 23, but you look at KD. KD – really, KD got 18, even though he missed that year with KD. You look at Steph. Steph ain't slowing down. Yeah, it still look like they got another 5 to 10. I can see Steph playing another 3 to 5 years. No, they look like they got another 5 to 10. I see KD can play another 3 to 5 years. No, KD ain't got no weight on him either. I think that man could play to the E about 50, bro. Yeah. KD going to be one of them guys. Like, you know, you still got guys like Coutinho Mobley where it just be like, bro, you still who? Like that. Yeah. They just can't turn it off. KD going to be one of them guys that's like 50 at LA Fitness. He going to let all y'all get some. And I can tell. KD, that's going to be you, man. LA Fitness K. Chris Paul. Obviously, it didn't. The way it ended. Yeah. You know, I think he said at the beginning, it's going to be his last year. and for him not to get that opportunity. The Clippers moved in a different direction. They traded him to Toronto. Toronto basically said, don't even worry about showing up. We're going to try to move you. Obviously, they couldn't, and so they ended up releasing him. I hate to see great players' career ends like this. I'm not saying that he was going to end averaging 10 assists a game or being on the championship team, but for him to go out like this, Sean, it's sad. It is. I just, how I process it though, he had worked his way into knowing. Like, I don't think Chris Paul was as blindsided as everybody else. Like, we was all like, what, how dare y'all? Yes. But it's like, if you know Chris Paul and you know some of the top players in the league, like, these guys ain't getting super blindsided. They kind of have an idea in the summer before they come what it's going to be, what it could not be. If this goes left, what do we do then? I think the pride of not wanting to put the ball down completely bothered Chris. If you're going to go out and say, this is my last year, it kind of has to be a tour where you know you're playing 25, 30 minutes in every city. Every city gets to see you for the last time. I think that's what he was hoping for. But that's not how they envision it. Yeah, he was trying to do right by the fans. And they didn't allow him to do that. I feel like that was messed up because, like, right now it bothers me because it's like CP at home. Yeah. He started out trying to play this year, and Anthony Edwards need a point guard. How dare you, L.A. Clippers. That's how I feel. Does Houston Rockets need a point guard? No, don't send him back there. he just left from over there. It's okay. It's been a long time since he's been in Houston. No, it's okay. Let's send Jha over there or something. Jha have fun over there. Jha like wings. Clippers posted a tribute to Chris Paul. Chris Paul's wife responded, girl bye. Wait, say it again. The Clippers posted a tribute video to CP. His wife like, girl bye. Shout out to her. Shout out to her. That's called standing on business, right? Right. Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. I think that I happen to enjoy when people call a spade a spade. So it's like any wives that come in and say what they got to say. She don't bother nobody. She don't come out here saying nothing. What happened? Why did it not go the way that Chris Paul went back home? This is where he had his best years. Lob city. Why didn't it work? I don't know why I didn't. Okay. I don't know. See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal. And this is 40s and Free Agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. 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But they don't play a game where everybody can get their game on and we can make this make sense. So sometimes they have to come out together. One, you got to sit early. You got to play them in rotation and hope that they figure it out at the end together. Right. I think that around the league, people saw it. They had to match up against it, beat it when they was together. So it's like when you see it now, it's like, hmm. I didn't think that when I saw them rejoin forces, it's like, now this time, now that they're older and now that they're in L.A. and CP say he's going to retire after this year, now this the year they finna go to the championship and win. It's like, that's dumb. You know what I'm saying? That's what I didn't get. I'm like, CP said he's going to retire. They didn't work out in Houston. They trying to figure it back out. I get it. We adding Kawhi to the fold. But you remember we was laughing, calling it the unction. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what they was calling it, the unction. Everybody an uncle around this morning. Right. I like what they had going on. Right. But it's like, I ain't think y'all was going to walk out here and win a championship. Down there, down the way. You know what I'm saying? man, if you couldn't keep your body healthy two, three years ago, I'm even more worried about you playing too many minutes now. Like, now I want to put you on minute restriction to make sure your hammies and your calves are good going into the playoffs because you keep having a problem. So it's like when you look at it from that point, you don't see it as they tried to do them bogus. I think it just they thought it was going to be doing better than it was doing. They thought they would figure it out a little better. So when it came to that, it's like, oh. And I bet Clippers probably did feel bad. But they got to do what they got to do. Right. It's still a business at the end of the day. And that's why you see CP on some, I don't know if it was a pod or an interview, but I seen him laughing about it. You know what I'm saying? Because he's like, at the end of the day, it's a business. Y'all not finna stop the NBA and call time out and like, let's figure out Chris Paul first. Right. He know they not going to do that. You know what I mean? He a professional. He know what's going on. So shout out to Chris Paul, man. Even though you had to retire the way you retired, however you want it to be as far as a tour of you going around and the fans appreciating you, you earn that shit, bro. No bullshit. It don't have to be in a jersey, the Kobe. It don't have to be like that. Yeah, everybody don't get that. That's cool. Show up in a T-shirt. Show up in a T-shirt, bro. And just go in the crowd. And that's paying it forward enough, bro. Take a couple of pictures with people. Smile. You still CP, dog. Whether they did you right or not, you CP on my soul. Winning a championship in Cleveland, you're down 3-1. Because the year before, I believe if you have Kyrie and Kevin Love, I don't think they beat you the first year. I don't. We'll never know. Just like they say, well, if Draymond doesn't miss game five, you're not winning, but he was there game six and seven, but who knows. You're down 3-1. what's your mindset? You hear the thing, LeBron's like, and Ty Luce said, look, we go there, we win one game. All we got to do is win one game. Come back to Cleveland. We know if we come back to Cleveland, they're not beating us in game six, and then we got to game seven. So what was your mindset? I didn't even have a mindset for real. I was at that point just saying, it's back to the wall. So it's like, I'm like, we going to win the next game just because it's hard to close out a series. Y'all probably going to let us steal the next one. Right. Then y'all was like, y'all going to want to win. In your building on game seven? Yeah, like y'all ain't going to want to play us at home and win on the road again. So y'all ain't going to be playing. Y'all going to take it if y'all get it. But y'all going to be kind of chill knowing you got game seven back home. Right. But the reason we were so calm, Joe, when Bron was on that bus and he was talking and saying, like, could we beat them here? Then they mindset going to be this, this, and this. And this is going to happen. And then we're going to come back. We're going to do this. And then we're going to come back here. We're going to be here for game seven. And that's when we send their ass home. And I'm looking like, this nigga just fast forward. You just simulated the season on your phone or something. You simulate a season on 2K. I just simulate a road. But I remember sitting down thinking, because we back there. We conversating. Everybody conversating. but I remember the plane getting extra quiet. It was either the plane or the bus. We started getting quiet, and I seen everybody in their mind kind of just go like, yeah, that shit can happen, bro. Yeah. Yeah. But it was like, he right. Yeah. When we beat them, they is going to do that. I wouldn't want to win on the road again. You're like, wow. You might be on to something. Then Draymond got in trouble and got kicked out the game. We played that game six and they wasn't talking. That was the quietest game we ever played. Boy, we've been talking shit. Because that game five, Kyrie and Bron go crazy. Oh, yeah. They go crazy. 41 and 41. LeBron had 41 points, 11 assists. Kyrie had. Yeah, they go crazy. Yeah. And then they come back game six. LeBron goes 41 and I think 16 rebounds. It goes crazy again. And so now you got game seven. This for all the marbles. Man. You're 73 and nine. They had only lost like three games, four games all year. I'm telling you, when that man had everybody sitting there puzzled, looking on us, we looking at him, and then I started thinking about it. Ain't nobody in our league been through this shit more than this man right here. This man know coaching styles now. Like, we preparing for Golden State's basketball team. this man talking to me about what Mark Jackson had them do, but now what Steve Kerr got them doing and how we going to take advantage of this because this is what Steve Kerr's principles are. And I'm looking like, we playing Steph Curry. I'm guarding Clay Thompson. Right. And you talking about principles. You talking about Steve Kerr's system? but it like it'll take you outside yourself though to be like let me think harder about this because i clearly don't know shit worry about they scheme he not even worry about the players i'm like i'm trying to in my mind steph do this bop bop bop go i ain't gonna yell your shit out don't worry stuff but you know what i'm saying he go through his little movements whatever and i'm knowing okay he going uh-uh he about to pass this ball and then we going off the three screens right As soon as he, while he throwing it behind his back, I'm already closing in the space to grab Steph and we're going to go off of every screen. Right. Bron the type of dude that be like, he going to stop playing. He going to be guarding over here. He know I got to do that run. That man will stop doing whatever he doing. Turn his body and watch me run to see like if you hit him even a little bit. he's going to completely leave his man and go because he already know what the play is. Like, you watch him in all the playoff games. He always look around, look around. They trying to take the ball out. No, don't let him go right here. Turn, get on this side, get on this side. Like, he going to do that. Make him spin around. Make him do this. Jump ball happen. Oh, no. Shump, shump, shump, shump, shump. Come over here. Come over here. Calm down. Relax. Shump, get your ass over here. You go over there. They be done tap the ball. Shit be right in your hand. Laying the shit up. Like, God damn, like, how did he know? How the hell did he know? Because his NBA career is older than some people's kids. Yeah. Like, this shit is really wild. But you start thinking about it. Like, he, at 17, his man started working like a grown man. Like, at 17, we went to college. So it's like, now we're learning how to be, you know, you learn how to be a young man. Like, I was a boy, and now I'm a young man. He skipped young man. Yeah, go straight to the band. He skipped that. straight the man which is I am demand he went to be in demand so it's like for him when he unpacks and looks at a situation it's like how uh like how you know I'm a professional so you'll never come up to me and be okay today we're gonna start with a layup okay we can skip that part right you know you could look at me and be like all right when you do this you gonna be coming off I I want you to snake the pick and roll and just think about attacking X4 straight downhill. You could tell me that. I could go out there and do it right away. Bron, like we come in the gym. There's people that got to practice layups. People that got to do this. I need to snake and go downhill. Bron be like, we playing, like say for this year. Say he would have to match up with, I don't know, Detroit. No, because they run stuff like the bad boys. So when they do this, them two bigs, I'm going to have them bigs up every time. They're not going to be bruisers down there. I'm going to have them up. So we're running horns action this whole game. He'll be like, what? We ain't ran horns all year. Y'all killing off the angle pick and roll. Why are we running horns? Because he's like, I'm not going to deal with them two bruisers. Right. Not doing it. It's the first round. My body will be completely healthy by the time we play these people over here. Right. And I'll be thinking about it like, bro, are you telling me? I'll be like bro are you telling me that you have you're gonna abandon the game plan that our coach just gave us he like yeah all right he said it man what y'all running Sean what are you running this is oh bro I don't been I touched me JR could attest to this dog I have seen them call a play And that man grabbed the board and said no. And then T. Lou looking at the shit like, I see, let's see it. Shit! T. Lou be like, shit! Run it! Yeah, run it to death too. If they lose to it, run it again. So it was like being around that, having that person next to you in your locker room, that give you a lot of confidence. 3-1, 3-0, don't matter. If you have somebody that's like, he is ChatGBT of the NBA, bro. Bro, my soul. This is the best way I could describe Shorty. He is ChatGBT. ChatGBT. Is it B or T? ChatGBT. GPT. Yes. GPT. That's Bron, Joe. You can ask him anything. He know. He know the coaches. He know the assistant coaches. He know the player development. I'm like, bro, you should. I only I don't got the mental capacity for all that. You know what I'm saying? He talk about film. He talk. It was funny as hell. It took me about a month to get used to him saying X1, X2, X3, X4. I'm like, bro, stop with like. But he is really programmed for this because, again, we went to school. Yeah, we've heard different styles, right? Different. He was never introduced to that. Get straight to the point. make it efficient make sure we win if you don't win you fail that's how brah I feel about it like and the way he's able to approach it is like brah I got when I went to Sacramento they was trying to figure out how I was able to help them lead and do everything I like I went from hanging with mellow to hanging with brah to learn from lead by example and then learn for I led you by example but if you don't get it, I'll come teach it to you. Right. I never had that. Never had that. Most athletes, once they ascend and they're way better than you, I'm going to do it. I'll give you one pointer. If you can't do it, give it to me. Right. Because I don't got time for you to be. Right. Don't have time for your learning curve. I need to win. Bron will give you the learning curve. Oh, you don't like it? okay, well, maybe we should change the system a little bit because he uncomfortable over here and I need him. You know what I'm saying? I had never been around that type of basketball mind. I never dealt with somebody that had the balls enough to look a coach in the eye and say, I'm not running that. He was the second. Jason Kidd did it. Unbelievable. It worked, too. Knew you was going to be a coach, nigga. I couldn't believe that shit. The block. The block. Did you see, did you, I mean, because somebody shot an air ball. Steph gets it, pass it. Iggy gets it, pass it to Steph. Steph bounce past it, back to, I never saw LeBron. Oh, yeah, no. I know 2-3 coming. Come on, man. You ain't supposed to see him. But Iggy just knew he had it. You better walk by faith, not by sight. You hear me? 2-3 on the court. Walk by faith, my boy. He coming. He coming. He'll be there. Take the elevator. Take the elevator. He's like, just in case. I'm going to go with both hands. Because if you try to come up, I'm going to block it with this one. Yeah, if you reverse, I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. Unbelievable. It was one of the most unbelievable blocks. He didn't realize he did it. I told him he did it after the day. I'm like, boy, it wasn't this that was cold, shorty. It was the left hand, just in case he got cute. Yeah. JR did an incredible job, man. Not violent. He ran them down. But y'all will see me on tape all the time when I used to do it. I would run. you thinking you finna get you a dunk. I'm gonna take away your power step by outrunning. I'm gonna run faster than you and I'm gonna swipe at the ball so you gotta move it away. But that's slow down your momentum. By the time you jump, you're not getting a good jump. Right. But you need a perfect jump for this man, Joe. It ain't even close, bro. Honestly, if you end up like Jason Richardson where y'all make contact at the rim, it hurts. You know what I'm saying? That shit hurts, dude. He's not supposed to be that big. Pause. Pause to left. But they don't make babies like that no more. You know what I'm saying? That's one of one baby. That's a one of one. But it's like, bro, honestly, I don't know why Iggy did that. Iggy is a Chicago guy too. I don't know why you did that, to tell you the truth. In retrospect. You think he should have dunked it? Shoot a jumper. Shoot a jumper? He got a layup! Do he? Did he? He didn't. But he did. You never have a leg. You don't have shit. You have the ball. Fuck. You ain't have. How many other people that's ever played in the NBA could have done that? What, a run chase down? Chase him down like that. Not that one. And not in that fashion. But, yeah, everybody do that. I think that's a basketball. Most athletes know. I mean basketball players, but an athlete. Do people realize that he came from the far side? that he was over here? I think everybody saw it. I hope y'all seen his shit at that moment. How loud did the place get? Quiet. It got quiet? We was on the road. That was game seven. Only thing you could hear is the bench. Oh, that last two minutes was beautiful. Oh, it was beautiful. It was so quiet in that. You know how loud that place get? That place is a circus all the time. That shit was so quiet. That shit was so quiet. It was so weird. It was such a good feeling to hear them shut the fuck up. Did you know, like, we got him now? Once he made that play. Because nobody can score for the long. Y'all had gone, like, two minutes before. I ain't going to lie. Playing them light-skinned men, bro, I didn't concede no victory, dog. After he did that, even when I checked in, I was like, a tent of his hell, shawty. I wasn't switching screens. I wasn't doing nothing. Only person I switched with was JR. I'm like, me and JR, man, come together? I'm going to push Steph. He going to push me, Clay, and we going to guard like that. But it ain't going to be no detachments. No. It ain't going to be none of that. And I'm not switching with somebody that ain't going to be for sure. Me and J.R. looked at each other before we go out there. With me and you, switch. Bad. Everybody else, indecisiveness, it ain't going to be my fault, y'all. I'm going to run through a wall. If y'all see me coming, bet your money I'm running through it. You know what I'm saying? but I didn't because we was playing Steph like they done hit so many big shots of G and so many shots that it's like that too you know what I mean like how you with that you shot that like you shooting logo threes brother that's a lot to me like I you know what I mean so it was like Bron blocked it he did that but it's like yeah we gotta keep going there's more things to do right you know what I'm saying even when Kai hit the three we was so hype but we I'm like and then you Contain it and now you got Steph and you got Kevin love K love out there on it and K love Going side to side front the back and that's what be crazy K love cuz that let me know you was lying The rest of the year you just lying to me Switched all the people they buy people just going by you doing all type of stuff Steph do it though at the end. It's for the weird for all the models strap And he back here in the ball, keeping his hand out the cookie job. K-Love is unbelievable defensively. 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But yeah, but like that was like being on the court for that game though and feeling like everybody together like something like if anything go left like everybody doing it though. Right a fight breakout both benches is clear right y'all gonna have to suspend every y'all have to forfeit this whole shit. Wait a couple of weeks. We don't have to come back and play this but it's like that's how serious and how intense it is in that moment. And then to be on the road so it's like y'all crowd finally could be quiet so we could hear. Oh, my God. We couldn't hear shit that whole series, though. I think, for me personally, I think the greatest LeBron James we've ever seen is when he went back to Cleveland. I forgot you a LeBron guy. I'm a LeBron guy. You was wearing that goat head. I'm a guy. He the guy, man. I watched him the first years in Cleveland, and he was phenomenal. He goes to Miami, and he's more efficient. he's shooting 55 50 percent 56 percent from the floor and he waited Chris Bosh but when he comes back to Cleveland he's at the apex of his superpower what he did when Kyrie left and get back to the finals and then that 2018 Lord Shump what that man Shump that he and nobody could do that nobody is gonna ever do that again what he did ending when y'all lost game one and then he goes crazy in game seven and then Toronto oh trust me I was on the team you ain't got it you ain't got it cuz you ain't gotta sell it to me you ain't gotta sell it to me but did you hurt what David Griffin said I wear my jury proud but you heard what David Griffin said David Griffin said the reason why you guys were able to come out of the east because the east was the weakest it's ever been but why didn't nobody else come out the east i i don't be when people throw these random stats out here this the weakest the east man or this is this this is that then everybody should be in the league then i'm just trying to figure out tell me why nobody else if it was so weak and only lebron because you had a 60 win uh hawks team that you guys swept. But the West was just really good. So it's like when you have, they dispersed the power over there in the West pretty well. I think, I don't know how it got like that. It wasn't nobody coming out of the West, but Golden State. Damian Lillard. He wasn't coming out of the West. No, but I'm saying the battle. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The road. The road. Like Braun having to deal with Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver. You know what I'm saying? But that was the number one seed. You see what I'm saying? That's Jeff Teague. That's why he said the week was week. And Teague, my homie. You know what I'm saying? But I'm being factual in this where it's just like. What about DeRose? What about LeBron-to? Toronto? It's like when you're in Toronto, DeMar was a threat. But it's like we don't feel like it's hard to win in here. Right. Like the Hawks didn't have a place where it's like you feel like it's hard to win in here. It's like, if you take care of Jeff T, don't let him do too much. Don't go under no screens, because as soon as he start getting it going, if Jeff come out there and he pop you once or twice, whatever, but if you go under and he feel disrespected and that shot go in, you in for a long night with Jeff T. But it's like, if we play this correctly, we know y'all don't really have the star power. Like, Bron can go off for 41 and 11. Who y'all got? Like, it's hard to have two Do 41 like Kai and Brian 41. Yes, we ain't too worried about y'all having two people that score 41 Right because first off one ain't gonna score 41 over my dead body. I ain't having it, but I'm not having it So where the 41 coming from, you know, I'm saying so it's like to have two people doing that It's like that's why he's saying the week that the East wasn't weak It was weak to what team we had right because our team shouldn't have been playing together Like I'll be the first to say it braun shouldn't have been allowed to come to our game Sit down on the sideline and then in a week I get traded to the Cavs with J.R. Yeah, how is that? Okay? I'll never forget that be like why did Brian come watch us play we play with the Knicks and braun came and sat down I had never seen that NBA players sit down at the NBA game that he not playing it right like he has nothing to do with this guy He's here as a fan. I'm like, this is weird. Yeah, he watching y'all see which I was I wasn't playing. I would have showed the injury. They said y'all traded to do. I'm like, huh? Wow. Hmm. And then. Before you played with. Give me a ring. I want my ring on a chain. I don't really wear it like. Before you played with LeBron, did you realize how good he was? Yeah. Yeah. It just, I was forced to hate him. You ain't finna win the rings every year. I'm in this bitch. Never just win all the rings, bro. I was big on that. Even when I bet Bron, I tried to do my first couple. He laughed. He thought the shit was funny. Right. But he also respected. He's like, bro, I've just been trained to be Mellow homie. You and Mellow homies, but I'm not supposed to be your homie. Right. I feel like Mellow, if I was out and about one day in the summer, my second year, and I'm just out hanging with Bron, I feel like Mellow would be looking at that like, what's up with you? You feel me? What's up with you? What's up with you, dude? So it was like I had this loyalty to Melo where it was like I had to get used to me and Brown being teammates Right, but it's like again once you on the court with him And he just out there making it easy for you. You just be like Melo he ain't so bad Cool for real bro I ain't gonna lie, he cool, he passed that bitch though, for real, like, we get money over here. You and Kyrie are cool. Are you surprised that Kyrie wanted to leave and go get his own? Hell no. If you know Kyrie, Kyrie is a Kobe guy. Like, Kyrie wanted to beat Braun. And that's okay. Like, people be like, man, that was dumb. I would have. Yeah, you would have. You would have teamed up. You a team up type of dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's who you are. that's not Kyrie right Kyrie is like the only way I could be crowned the best is to beat the best right I gotta go head-to-head which I can't team up with you so it's like for Kyrie and then picture you at your crib you know I'm saying they give you a career you you got your mama career right and then they just bring you a new brother and then your mama like well he'd only want like You was the one that get to have the house key and do whatever you want. And now, oh, no, you get to drive the car. Right. Yeah, we got a new brother now, but he the only one get to drive the car. What? What made him a better driver than me? And it's like for people not to understand that's what happened and then be like, oh, he should have put his pride to the side. Why? What's wrong with that? Right. Bron is great. Kyrie want to beat him. Kyrie wants y'all to have to say, I beat Bron on the biggest stage ever. He want us to be able to say that as a competitor. What's wrong with that? I don't think that was going to ever happen. Whether we think it's going to happen is not. That's the thing. We also laughed at Kobe Bryant and said he wasn't going to be like Mike. Y'all remember that? Yeah. Do y'all remember when he was wearing eight and everybody was like, this little kid is crazy? Yeah. Because he's shooting it terrible. He's shooting it awful. It take delusion, bro. Yeah. It's a very fine line between self-confidence and delusion. That in itself is a skill. They was going in on Kyrie that year, previous years before that when he was in Cleveland, by his goddamn self, saying he wasn't that good as number one. Right. Maybe he's not that good. Maybe he shouldn't have been chosen number one. Maybe his foot failed him. Maybe this, maybe that. He dealt with him. Yeah, I think he should have been number one, but I don't think they—be honest. Do you think they won the championship if LeBron don't come back to Cleveland? We'll never know. Bro, you was getting the lottery. This is what you're not getting, though. Like I said, Kyrie will never know. He had to leave because LeBron f***ed it up. No, I'm saying if LeBron doesn't come back to Cleveland. What? Does Kyrie get one? Yes. We'll never know. Well, he's got one. It's kind of hard to say that when you get Andrew Bennett, first overall pick, you get Andrew Wiggins, first overall pick. And you get Tristan Thompson. That don't look like a championship winning formula to me, Trump. When Bron brought his ass over there, we beat them to kick off the season. We didn't think that was championship shit. When they came and got us and then grabbed Mozzie, I said, all right, now we got a chance. Yeah. Once Timothy Mozgov got there and I saw him and Tristan, then I'm like, you went and got me and J.R. crazy ass. Oh, this works. He got Mozgov 16 mil. Yeah. And then Mozgov left and just. Hey, man. Jumping in, man. Hey, man. People like gold rings, man. They like it. They like it, man. That gold ball is special, boy. What makes LeBron different? Shit, all the shit we just said? Because when I hear people like, LeBron want to be like. LeBron like really want, hey, Shump, I want you to be a part of this. Kobe like, I'm a peck. Man, you can't make it. Give me the damn ball. I'm tired of you. Kobe didn't want to be like. Kobe didn't have no friends. Kobe softened up as he got towards the tail end. Because I know a lot of people that when Kobe was at his absolute apex. He didn't soften up, though. Kobe waited until he retired, and then he started being nice. But people say, oh, I was talking to Kobe. When Kobe was with him in the beginning, his first 10 years, I ain't hear nobody talking about, oh, yeah, me and Kobe cool. Kobe gave me back. They were saying he was an asshole. They said he wasn't going to be shit. They used to tear Kobe up. They did. Even, George, you heard him in the all-star game. That little bit of that little ankle boy. They was playing, though. They was playing. But he's like, uh-uh. He got to get it on his own. Don't pay me to it. Real talk. But it's like, that's Kai. You have to allow me to hate you. You have to. Because I need to know if I'm the best. Kai will not concede telling LeBron he's better than him. We might all know it and say, hey, man, he's way taller. It's a bad matchup. Woo after bam. You toss Kai that ball and say, you got to play one-on-one with LeBron James for your life. And I don't think Kai think he going to lose. I can agree with that. I can believe it. Like whether we on the outside is like, David and Goliath. You know what I'm saying? Whether we thinking that or not, he don't give a f***. And that's why we threw him that ball and watched him do that to Steph Curry. Because he don't give a f***. He forgot. For some reason, he forgot Steph Curry got the championship already. He shot him dead in his face. Yeah. Unanimous MVP, 73-9. I said, what they got to do with me right now? F*** you. That's what he said. F*** you. How about that? but it's like now he did it to braun and people was like oh i'm like bro that's that's that is what it is man he wasn't braun one of the greats joe braun gonna be on the rushmore dog you telling me if i if i would have had the chance to say hey man i get to play against mike for the championship hell yeah buckle up we're not teammates michael jordan what i don't care i gotta be on the come fly with me tapes hey i gots to show the nigga i beat i didn't want the championship i don't care who I beat to get it. You let me ask your question. You think Magic Johnson took less solace in beating Philadelphia or the Pistons or somebody else for the championship than he took out of beating the Celtics? Or you think the Celtics are like, man, we beat the Rockets twice. It ain't the same as beating the Lakers. No. Yeah, it don't matter, but you definitely, if it was supposed to be. Oh, yeah, yeah. If I got to go through, if the Lakers had to go through the Celtics in the second second. Yeah. It's like, if you ain't got to play Larry Burr on that stage and Larry ain't make it, he would have been mad as f***. Like, you better get your ass out the east so we can put on this show. Right. I ain't finna keep having these media people saying, oh, well, Larry didn't make it to the show. That ain't my fault. Exactly. That ain't my fault. Exactly. Man, why you got beat with Trey Young? Why you got beat with Ice Trey, man? Ice Trey say after what he did to you a couple of times, I guess you are. No, he was talking to Pat Bev. Him and Pat Bev got into it. That wasn't me. Me and Trey, I ain't got no problem with Trey. I just, when they had, I had a quote. You know, I'll be on ESPN. They got cameras in my face and shit. No, but I had a quote. They were saying, you know, they were talking about his value. Yeah. And everybody was, like, lighting up about his value. And I'm like, I just see why the team didn't extend him. Like, I can see it. I don't know why y'all can't see it. But they're not going to extend him because they're damn near finna start looking for a new direction. Right. He's a small guard. They tried it. He took him as far as it could go. He's done a great job. I didn't see nothing wrong with what I said, but, you know, when they get clipped up, they say basically, like, I wasn't big on Trey. Like, he don't get nobody involved. And I'm like, no, bro, it's just the makeup of the team, the makeup of the league changed, and it's okay. Yeah. Go get something for Trey. And you know what they saw? And this happens a lot in football. Quarterbacks, don't let backup quarterbacks take snaps because I don't want you to see what he can or can't do. Yeah. Trey got hurt, and guess what you got a chance to see? Jalen Johnson. Now Jalen Johnson giving you 24-10-8 as a 6'8 guy. And now he can guard the point. But he can guard the point. And Trey, you had to hide him on defense. Yes. But now you got Jalen, whether he's good at defense, it doesn't matter. He has the size. Yes. He can just go like this. You know what I'm saying? And it's like when you can do that and then you compare it with, oh, man, we can now switch a ball screen. Right. And as long as the three, four, or five that we have in the game can slide as puppies. Right. We can switch everything on the court. Y'all ain't never getting to the rim. Right. You know what I'm saying? And it's like for GM, if you see that, I was just pointing out what was obvious. Yes. I'm like, don't get me wrong. Why did he get mad? Y'all bust a fantasy draft and you leave Trae Young sitting right there. I'm snatching him. Come on, Trae. You come play with us. Huh? What? Come play with us. Yeah. But why do? Why do? People get emotional over shit like that. But, Sean, you guys, the same thing professional athlete says, I want professional athletes to critique professional athletes. Yeah. And then when professional athletes critique them and they don't like what they say, now he need to shut up. Yeah. It's a double-edged sword, man. Some guys, they'll get into it about it, but for the most part, When we see guys in the summer, you're able to talk. We all grown-ass men, man. If I ever say something, dog, y'all got an issue, y'all know y'all come hollering at me. Giannis done came hollering at me. I said some shit. Me and my brother were just going off laughing and shit. He said, hey, man, y'all can say whatever y'all want. Do whatever y'all got to do. Don't question my integrity for the game ever again. I'm like, you know what? You right. And I went on camera and, you know what I'm saying, fessed up to it. Like, nah, he came in and he checked me. But then I wrote my PS after that, like, but he didn't say he didn't want to get traded. He only checked me about that. He didn't say he didn't want out of that. Right. All right? But it's cool, man. I think that, you know, it's going to happen. Like, if I'm going to talk about it, like, sometimes you're not going to like what I got to say because y'all lost. Yeah. You ain't going to like what I got to say because I don't see it that way. Like, I played point guard. They threw me at 3 and D. I ain't like that shit. Right. But they saw me as a 3 and D guy for that team. Right. Like, nigga, I play point guard. I would have did it totally different. So it's like, it's tomato, tomato, whatever. But I don't think that guys think I don't like them. Like, Trey's my guy. Him and P-Bev got into it because they just went back and forth too many times. And then it was like, well, play me one-on-one. And it's like, yeah, y'all going too far. We got kids. I don't have time for that. But it's like, Trey is, one, you're going to have fun having AD over there. But I have. Can you imagine Trey and AD in the pick and roll? Oh, no. I know what time it is. Oh, he's going to pick and pop. He's going to roll. And if he was doing what he was doing with Clint Capella. That's what I'm saying. If AD, people, AD been hurt so long, people forgot what he looked like healthy. Oh, I know who he is. He's a 26 and 12 guy. People talk shit. I'm like, dog, y'all better realize who that is over there, dog. Like, these injuries just started. Yeah. Like, this shit just started. Oh, he's special. Yeah, I'm like, y'all not finna do this to AD? Like, this is all-star shit. So, yeah, I ain't too worried about Trae Young and them over there. Shout out that boy. I was just saying I know why the Hawks weren't gonna extend it. Yeah. KD, we've never seen a guy this skill, this tall. I mean, Dirk was a guy that was seven foot tall that could shoot the three to one-legged three. But Dirk wasn't putting it on the floor like this. Not at all. We ain't never seen a guy this tall, this skill, ever in the history of the game, and I'm not so sure. Now, maybe Wimby. Hey, Wimby. Wimby. Check out a handle. It's not as crazy as KD. KD. But Wimby, though. Wimby's on it. But we had Lamar Odom. Lamar wasn't shooting a three. This guy. KD. What? He wasn't shooting a three like this. Not like that, but he was shooting a three. Yeah. He was handling a rock. Man, look. I'm saying we've seen it before. We've seen a lot of 6'11 guys. I remember when Lamar come out at Rhode Island. He was special. Now, he could pass the ball. I mean, you're talking about a 6'11 point guard. But that's what I mean. I mean, we've seen KD's body, not as skinny. He might be the skinniest version of it. Oh, he is, for sure. For sure. But we have seen guards that are exceptionally tall. Yes. It's just we've never seen. That could shoot it like this? I think K Slick plays his position. Most people that are capable of what he's capable of try and play a different way. Yeah. Like, K. lets the game come to him. He plays very efficient, shoots the hell out the ball, and tries to be conscious of, like, giving it up so other people can get involved. Yeah. He likes keeping his weapons in. And he still, he don't fall in love. He ain't fell in love like everybody else trying to shoot 3-3-3. KD, you run him off the 3, he'll get to the midi. Yeah, it must be nice to be able to still shoot midis, man. They were like, man, shoot the three. Either shoot the three or get off the court. That was my game, bro. The middie. Historically speaking, that is my game. I played point guard. I like get to the elbow for a pull-up. When I went to Houston and shot that pull-up and got taken out after that timeout, I could not believe where the game was going. I'm like, is the game really coming to a place? Yes. I can't shot fake shot. This is the biggest night in podcasting. 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Yeah, they like shot fake, let them by shot. They're like, that's a shot fake shot. I'm like, no, no. That just. He over there. Like, what are we talking about? And they was looking me dead in my face. Like, because he went all the way over there. Step back. And I was like, wow, y'all are serious. They like, yes. Statistics. Yeah. We're going to win. Couldn't believe it. If Kevin Durant doesn't join the Warriors. They ain't beating us. Golden State's never beaten up my ring. You fucked it up. You f***ed it up, K. Your fault. First year was stuff up. Because I should have three rings. Kai halved his knee. K-Love got hurt. My shoulder popped out. And J.R. needed a new back. I feel like the first one we could have did if we was healthy. Second one we was doing anyway. We would have got that third one. And then K would bring his tall, lanky ass over there. What the fuck we supposed to do now? We just learned how to defend all them. Right. You going to add you? What an asshole. What an asshole, dog. That was just like we finally was like, yeah, we got a good matchup with them. We know how we matching up with them. Right. Rookie Hazen, is there an extent that guys can go? Because normally you play for dinner. You got to go to take your Ruth Chris or they take you to a Mastro's or a famous restaurant. And you got to take care of the guy. I don't know. In the NFL, we used to have individuals. Now I think they do it as an offense and a defense. The first round picks, you know, you buy us. We go to Mastro's. We go to get them drinks. We go to King Lloyd. We go to get them steaks. That lobster. You know what I mean? That media will. Yeah. Is there an extent that it can go too far? Eating too good? No. Come on, man. You shouldn't eat no damn $30,000, $40,000 worth though, chump. Well, are you talking about like a team then or are you just talking about? I'm talking about, do y'all do it as a team, the rookies? They don't be hazing. Now, oh, I get what you're saying. No, no, no. They not hazing with like a certain item on the menu. Yeah. But yeah, they'll definitely tell you to clear the team check. Yeah, clear that. Because they low-key teaching you financial literacy, right? Like we teaching you what not to do. how about tell us what to do don't put out of those 15 shots of King Louis and $200 a shot oh no King Louis that's crazy Louis the 13 all that that's crazy yeah you get to doing all that and then y'all buying the bottle of wine that's $10,000 y'all buying the Caymus or the other that's wild that's wild I think that's f***ed up but I remember my teammates my teammates no Mello never made me pay no s*** like that he made me pay for a dinner that was probably like $7,500 It was about $7,500 for the dinner. How many was it? It was probably... We probably had about three, four teammates. Excuse me. Driver. Hold on, three or four teammates and a driver? $7,500? A driver. Elo's wife at the time and her people. So it was probably about 12... 12 to 15 people. You know that's still a lot, right? That damn near $500 a person. Man, I watched this little Mellow get up, driver got up everybody. He's like, yeah, I gotta take them back. But he ain't never left me with no checking shit. But he just left. I'm just vibing, finishing. The girl come break that bitch right to me. So I pay I'm like I ain't gonna let him feel like you know, right? I embarrassed them another But I was low-key feeling it like damn 7500 like what we doing like I'm like do all the dinners cost this much, you know, I'm processing it And then after I took care of I believe the next day like shorty came in and gave me like 10 beans cash Cuz he like I just wanted you to like that you don't pay for nothing He had always took care of everything. He just wanted to see if you do Amari Amari take it. But he also wanted me to understand, like, if you take this many people, this type of check you're looking at now. You know what I'm saying? It might be $7,500. You feel how that felt because you wasn't ready to pay it? Right. I'm going to be taking 15 people out to eat. You know what I'm saying? It was shit like that that they did. Yeah, I like that. He a $100 million man. You know what I'm saying? And that was his second big bag. Yeah. So it's like hearing from him, hearing from Amari at the time, it was just like Tyson Chandler. Yeah. They just did a great job of like, they would make me do certain stuff, and I'd be thinking like, damn, this Hazen shit's going too far. Next day you come in, they bless you, make sure you're straight. I'm going to ask you one thing about Khalid. When you guys had, because it was KD's second, was it second year? Second year there. And you guys, LeBron played, I think, his best playoff game ever. End of the game with 51-8-8. I don't think he can play any better than we have. And you guys, George Hill missed the one-and-one. The game is tied and J.R. gets the rebound. I wasn't on the team. You had to left the team then? I got traded. I ain't leaving. I got traded. Yeah, I was in Sacramento. I had plantar fasciitis. Couldn't play. I had to wait a year. So I was basically, yeah, that was a burnt year for me, basically. In the middle of the year, my foot, I had plantar fasciitis. Couldn't play. They traded me while I was hurt. But, yeah, I was sick when J.R. did that shit. You called him? Uh-uh. you don't call nobody after some shit like that I ain't trying to make it about that but I was like I just felt like he was trying to do the right thing now usually his rap in the league was that he do reckless yeah and in that moment he was trying not to be reckless and I was so mad cuz I'm like you are the 9-1-1 the broken play yes it came to you because the basketball gods was like he's He's going to know what to do with it. And for that moment, he thought, he like, don't be that guy. Because he wanted to win that bet. Don't be that guy that messes this up in the moment. He hesitated and thought. And I'm like, you never do that. I've never seen you do that. I've actually never seen you do that. It was weird seeing a confused face on JR. I'm like, he usually, either you make a left or you make a right. But JR looked- But you're not indecisive. JR looked you dead in the eye and make the decision. I'm like, I didn't understand that. And I was like, I just wish he could have that moment, that one moment back. I wasn't on the scene. I'll tell you what you were around for. What was that? Linsanity. Oh, yeah, I was up with that. What was that like? Too much for two weeks. Come on! What you mean, too much for two weeks? Linsanity was crazy. Man, had media hanging all in our locker room, man. We getting interviewed butt-ass naked, dog. I'm talking about this shit was crazy. I ain't even got time to all the way get right before. They in there. Asian media stepping on your foot while you in the flip flops. Do you like Jim? Come on, man. You stepping on my towel. He like, oh, sorry, sorry. But they trying to get to Jay Lynn. Come on, dawg. I get to messing with Mello and shit. Like, Mello, nigga, don't even want to talk to your ass. Uh-oh. No, Mello used to be liking that shit. He was happy to see him when Jay Lynn was taking all the media. Mello don't like talking to fucking media. And then, you know, look, I'm glad he and Kenyon made up Jeremy Lynn because Kenyon, like you shouldn't be wearing drapes. That's not your style. But I like when someone says something and they like, you know what? I was wrong in this situation. I like when men be men. Because sometimes, you know, we prideful, Sean. It wasn't that big a deal. You don't think it was that big a deal? No. Them shits was damn near crawling out his head. His hair ain't made for no locks. Jay Lynn, don't that shit look crazy? He just was trying some shit out. I like Jay Lynn's response on Instagram. I can't remember what it was. It was very subtle. It was very not what you thought it was going to be. It made me smile. But like I said, no matter what y'all see, I ain't saying it's WWE or nothing because it ain't. But we are all in this league fans of each other. You can't get into it with a guy on the court, say you hate him, F him, F this, F that. But I'm talking about some really, really good human beings off the floor. You know what I'm saying? Like, shout out to everybody's parents and all powers that be. But it is some great men in the NBA. So it's like I've seen a lot of shit that I'd be like, oh, these two, they finally in the same room this summer. And they'd be like, no, it's all good. Like, we can keep it hoop. We can keep them mature. You a defender, 3 and D guy. No, I'm not. They told me to do that. Yeah, but that's how you got the big paycheck. Kobe, Kyrie, Stealth, or D Rose? Who harder to guard? because you had to guard them all these stuff Kyrie and D Rose when I first got in the league code but if Cole not playing for a championship is not as much to deal with but it's hard to play against somebody you know could shoot it he could shoot whatever he want he ain't coming out but you got to play efficient or you coming out I was a rookie um I say cold when I first came but uh out of them step because I feel like I could slide with all of my I'm pretty much a fan of all of them but Steph don't really have a package like it's not like James gonna go twin cross twin cross twin cross and then it's a variation of step backs Kyrie might start his dribble this way but he might be doing his breaks might be under the leg or behind the back but it's like a package I kind of know and get familiar with their movements Steph was one of the only guys that the moment I slid with him and start a little bit figuring out his handle it was like you know pass run off two three screens push me Now he wide open. And it was like, he's not going to let me. My gift doesn't work with him. I have a gift. I can slide. I can do this with anybody. It's hard. You only get two arms. You're not going to cross me. Did you say, not today, Steph. Not today. Yeah, I'm talking shit. And it was like all at once. He's like, I'm not doing this with you. Okay, Sean. You can play D, Sean. Good job. Now I'm going to go way back here. You going to play defense at the three-point line back here? I'm going to shoot it back here. And it was like, I was looking like, dog, this man is really reckless. He really should. Because he's really. Yeah, he'll come down. That you got to pick up the half court. You literally, from the half court on, he's a legitimate threat. I tell people, Kyrie's handle is better. Yes, for sure. Kyrie got the best handles I've ever seen in the NBA. But Kyrie's using his handle. Yeah. Y'all have never seen Steph's handle. He got a handle. Oh, yeah, for sure. but it's like the moment he feel like, oh, you could play defense pretty good, he's going to take it away from you. And that's what people don't get about him. I'm like, bro, he took – they're like, why you wasn't guarding Steph? Because it don't matter for me to guard Steph. He's not going to dribble against me. He crossed. He got by Della. You should have been guarding him. He's not going to do that to me. That's why he's the MVP. He's not going to do it. He said, you know what? You are pretty good at that, but you ain't going to get through three screens. Not if Draymond the last one. Right. Or the second one, the first one. Fuck it. He just, I ain't saying you dirty, Dre, but you the reason my shoulder got separated that first year. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. When you told LeBron that Jordan is better than him. You said when I told him that? Yeah. What about it? You told LeBron that Jordan is better than him. What did he say? How did he look at you? He laughed. He knew I was going to say it, though. Like, he know that. He know that. Even though he is the great one, he know, one, I'm a Chicago kid. You know what I'm saying? Two, I am how LeBron at the end of the game can pass to somebody. If it was my team, I wouldn't do that. You taking that shot. because I'm going to take the DNA of Mike. That's what I grew up watching. That's the way I like the game played. So it's like to see Bron defer sometimes and do certain stuff, that's why I put him over. Plus it's like Mike never lost in a championship. So I was like, that's why. But it's like as far as breaking records and accolades and all the rest of this shit, it's like, no, I've been giving Bron his props. It's just how you going to do that to me? How you going to tell my childhood self I'm wrong? Mike saved my life a couple times As far as I'm concerned The world was ending And then Michael Jordan put on a cape And we beat the Jazz What the f*** was wrong My house was burning down Mike went out there and beat the Lakers in 91 Like what are you talking about There was all type of bad stuff happening I'm going to get you in on this Give me your 10 year plans What's your goal We come back and have a conversation And it's 2026 So in 2035, 2036 I come back and I have another conversation with Iman Shumper. What's he going to tell me? Where is his life? Married? Three more kids? I don't know. I'm going to have a bunch of kids. A bunch? More than two? I'm just saying, if it take too long to get my boy, I'm going to have to go through something. Whatever I got to do to get that boy, it's going to happen. I'm going to say that. But I don't know, man. By then, I should be, you know, hopefully I can get my own segment on ESPN calling this stuff. Growshump Street a little bit bigger. But I should really just be, like, taking flights to go see my daughters. Like, Junie should be hooping somewhere by then. You know what I mean? By then, it should be like— How is she now? Eight? Ten. Ten. So it's about to be like, man— She might be headed to the WNBA. She might be a one-and-done. It's been to have to be the Shannon. We got to hurry this up. Got a flight. My daughter play tonight. They play LSU. Right. Where'd you go to UConn? I don't know. South Carolina? Shit, I don't know. I went to Tech out the blue for real. I was hoping DePaul came, got me. They ain't even recruited for real. DePaul used to have some hoopers. They just had them raw-ass jerseys, and they was in the city. They had Mark Aguai, Terry Cummins. I think Dick Rocket Rod go to. they was gonna have me in that motherfucker that shit would have been hard it's cool but yeah in 10 years I should just be you know supergirl dad that out like like I should just have a schedule based upon my kids right in 10 years I ain't gonna be on shit for anything you want to promote you got anything oh yeah man make sure y'all tune in to Shump Street man me and my brother been doing the podcast all year uh one of the things that uh you know my father really liked that we got paid to finally talk hoops right it just mean a lot to me if y'all ever need hoop updates make sure to tune in to chump street pod uh we just weekly talking hoops man talking rumors we we talk a little rumors here and then but we keep it pretty hoop right you know what i'm saying like we me and My brother's not the type to speculate and do stuff for too long. Quick takes on everything. But we really do like deep diving into the game of basketball. We love it. Number one girl's dad. Here he is. Yeah, there he is. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, damn, yeah. I appreciate you, dawg. I appreciate you, bro. Thank you, man, so much for your time. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip starting March 4th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I am Greg Rosenthal. I know that, Greg. We're teaming up on 40s and free agents, the podcast that owns the NFL offseason. This is where teams are built. Free agency, combine, pro days, trades. Every move matters. From my draft boards and mock drafts. To my vaunted top 101 free agents and how rosters come together. Quarterback movement. Surprise signings. We'll tell you what it means and who really wins. 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