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Didn't they just find another creature swimming in Loch Ness that was going very, very fast against the current? And they know that it's, no fish is going to do that, that they believe it's another. And, well, there's more than one. Don't start. There's more than one. And like to say it's one monster, there could be several of them. Several of the Loch Ness Monster. For example, there's very few of those Arabian leopards, but there's still 120 of them. Okay. So are there many Bigfoot? I don't know. I don't know. I think somewhat are you. Yes, Esquatch can be more than one. Yes, I think for people in the community, I'd have to ask Chris Cooley. I would believe that people in the community of believers believe that there's not just one because it would have died off. And there's still sightings. There's still people looking for them. So whether it is the Loch Ness, what is that group called? ZOO, Crypto. Cryptids are the creatures. We are thinking of like just Cryptozoology. Yeah, like people who are into that, I think believe that they have to believe there's multiples or it would have just been one and it would have died out a long time ago. And there'd be no reason to be invested. There'd be no reason for people to trek to Loch Ness. There'd be no reason for people to be interested in Bigfoot if you thought, well, that one existed forever ago and that's it. I do know a lot of people in Washington who are really big believers. Sure, of course. And have gone on expeditions. Have they really? I believe that. When we were going to do a show trip to Minnesota, I wanted to go on an expedition. But I'm starting to wonder if that was just to get closer to Canada to sing about Ogopogo, which Elliot told us as a blue child. You know Ogopogo. No, no, no. You know Ogopogo. I don't. Are you going to sing it? It's like Canada's Nessie. The, well, yes and no, yes and no. I know why you're saying yes. Why are you saying no? Because it's not the Loch Ness monster. It's Ogopogo. Oh, okay. He says that schoolchildren up there sing songs about it. That is true. Ogopogo, what does it look like? Have you ever seen the Loch Ness monster? A lake monster in Okanagan Lake in BC, 40 to 50 feet long, a serpent-like creature with humps. It's massive. It's very, some describe it similarly to the Loch Ness monster. But so can you sing the song or no? Ogopogo, yes, of course. Ogopogo. Ogopogo. Ogopogo. Ogopogo. There was also the trot. Do you remember this? And all that, and it's coming up tomorrow. Boy, doesn't this take you back to being a kid? Ogopogo is a tough time for us. Yeah, no, so Ogopogo was a big deal. Which cryptidz does Sarah believe in? I don't think I believe in any of it. That's okay. That's totally fine. I had to think for a second because Tyler seemed pretty convinced. I was like, what did I search for, Tyler? But if you know, like, but if the most famous bigfoot sighting, here's why I ask. The most famous bigfoot sighting is, is it Gimlin, Gimlin, Patterson, Gimlin? Patterson, Gimlin, yeah, the thumbfoot is. Yeah, of the bigfoot. That's it. Everybody knows it. Wait for someone who doesn't believe. Everybody. We've all seen it. But everybody knows that very, very famous, I don't want to call it a pose, but action photo of where the bigfoot's walking and the arms are out and he's looking over his shoulder. Yes, exactly. Exactly. That's very famous. What year is that? 67. So how old is that? 60, 50, some, I don't know. It's old. 59. $100. So anyway, that goes back to the 1967. So there's a movie that debuted during South by Southwest, the documentary. And it's got people in the believer community furious. Oh, furious. And listen, there are people who just want to suspend belief and believe it's true. There are people who genuinely believe it's true. There are people who 100% don't believe it's true. But the documentary is, is, is pissing the community off. And I'll tell you why making fun of them. It's, it is no, no, no, no, no, it's not making light of them or, or, or call it. I haven't seen it. And if they are calling them stupid and all that other stuff, maybe that would, I only know from the, from, from the report, I've seen the movie of there's something very specific in the movie that's upsetting the believer community because they think they think that these are pe that, that the people who did this are lying to prove their point the same way that people think the big foot people are lying to prove their point. What's the moment? So let me, let me make sure I have this right. The guy who made the movie is named Mark Evans, who is a, is a film school teacher at a university. Okay. He claims in 2022 he was approached by a colleague. The colleague had a piece of old film that belonged to her now dead father. Are you following me? She wanted Evans to help find someone to process and transfer the footage. Her father had worked in a film processing lab in the 1960s and was socially connected to Patterson and Gimlin. Okay. Okay. It's still, it's a little, it's a little hard to follow, but I know everybody is smart. The new footage shows a different man in a first suit along with Bob Gimlin on horseback that was shot like out in the forest. And they think what it is was, it was the dress rehearsal for what became the Patterson Gimlin film. Wow. I understand why the community is upset. Furious. And they think this is all fake. Wait, the community, the community thinks this is fake as an attempt to make them look stupid for believing. Right. And there's just fears in like, you're, you're number one, you're punching down. Number two, you're mocking us. Number three, what, if you don't believe that the Patterson Gimlin thing is real anyway, why would I believe this is real? Wow. It's damning. I like it though. I want to see the, so then there was somebody, so they, they, they talked to, and again, it only showed at the South by Southwest. So it's not like it's been in wide release. I don't even, I don't even know that it's in like any theaters. So I don't even know the, like what was the purpose of the documentary? I think it was to disprove Bigfoot. Like the biggest piece of evidence ever. Yes, exactly. But I think that the, they talked to some people who just, who saw the, who saw the documentary just shot it down. And then they talked to other people who are big believers, who were, who were like, I feel stupid for believing this all these years. Clearly everybody telling me, you know it's fake, you know it's fake and defending it for years. I now see the movie and I see this footage, this found footage and think I was, it's like a eureka moment. I was dumb for all these years. But just to be clear, because found footage is a genre. Yes. I don't mean it like that. This is just a piece of tape that was. Had existed. Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm reading right here. Yes. It's not found footage of like we dropped our camera out in the woods and look at Sasquatch. This long time Bigfoot fan says that the Patterson Gimlin short motion picture is the cross of this religion. It was the number one thing. The Gimlin, the Patterson Gimlin film. Yes. Yes. Exactly. It's the most unclear cut source of proof we have ever had. That is what they held there. It's the Loch Ness people in the very famous picture. If somebody were to come along and go that's fake, they would be like, but that is the bullseye of what we believe in. Struggling to accept the possibility that this was all a hoax. Wow. I get it. I understand that if you have dedicated so much of your life to something and then you are hit in the face with and again we haven't seen. You're not hitting the face. You're punched in the face. Right. That would be rough. If it is, if it is legit and they did find footage or uncover footage of the dress rehearsal, this will go down as one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. So where did Patterson and Gimlin say they shot that? I don't know the answer to that. Where was that supposed to be? Northern California Woods. I don't know where in like what part of Northern California, but I know it was done in Northern California out the woods. And this footage, new found footage. Dress rehearsal footage. This dress rehearsal footage, it's also California? No, it's actually in Washington state. Oh. Because that's where Mark was a professor. So do you think if you have, did you call them friends or just acquaintances? Acquaintances. So I think he's now the former mayor of Puyallup, which is a well-known town in Washington. We went there, Danny Bondaducci and Greg Brady, forget his real name, were in... Barry Williams. You know, they fought in celebrity boxing. Yes. And then those two and Alice Cooper made a Bigfoot movie. And we had the premiere in Puyallup and the mayor wanted us to have it there because he has seen Bigfoot. Because he's a believer. And showed us pictures of the woods. And he's like, you see it, there's Bigfoot in there. 100% believes he saw Bigfoot. I'm going to guess Danny did not see Bigfoot. He saw somebody, I think Bigfoot killed him. I think, so what he saw was somebody in a furry costume that Alice Cooper could have saved the day and didn't and him and Greg Brady died. Oh, okay. They made, I'm sorry. I thought you were saying they made a documentary. They made a movie. They made a movie. Right. Okay. But the mayor of this legitimate town was showing everybody pictures of Bigfoot. So what does he do today when this, when he finds out the, like, does he still believe? How bad is that movie? So when they were, when they were making this movie, is that when you got all this time to travel? They did film it in Washington. How the hell was he filming a movie and working at the same time? Okay. Can, can we not pretend like he was like making Citizen Kane? How much time off did he need to shoot this? I think, I really think he was off for two or three days. And then we were doing like check-ins with him. We did the show without him and checked in. Oh, wait. Oh, give me that music back. Oh, we're going live to the woods. Yeah. Dante Bonaducci checking in from Peanuckle, Washington where they're filming the movie. Is that a no-no, Sarah? What's that? Calling him Dante. No, that's his name. I know it is. He's okay with that. Yeah. I didn't know if. We used to call him Dante and Philly. I thought you just did it as kind of like a little rub. No, no, no, no, no. I like Danny. And his kid's name is Dante too, but his first name is actually Count. Count, right. Count Dante Valentino Bonaducci. When Bigfoot attacks... We don't have a lot of room to count Dante Valentino. When Bigfoot attacks a 1980s-themed rock concert in Deadwood, South Dakota. Please stop reading. After the noise... I got a fish shiver. After the noise disturbed its hibernation... What's that? You're great, Brady. The cynical event organizer, Harley Henderson... Oh, Harley. That's Danny. Oh. ...tries to kill the giant beast and create a tourist attraction around its stuffed body. However, his former musical partner, Simon Quinn... Barry Williams... Now environmentalist realizes the creature is the last of its species and is determined to make sure it does not become extinct. Could you imagine me taking off three days to go do that? And we had a premiere. What's Alice Cooper's role? I feel like Alice Cooper was a hunter. It says Alice Cooper as himself. He must have been the concert. Oh, that would make sense. Hi, Yoliet. The Morty. He probably also put up the money for it. Hi, who's this? This is Jonathan from Love It's Will. Hey, what's going on, dude? Hey, nothing much. First time caller. I'm also just a true believer in Bigfoot. Specifically, where you guys led into this conversation talking about endangered species and then leading on into cryptids like Sasquatch. Basically, they're extraordinarily rare creatures. So the majority of the community does believe that there are multiple of them, but they're much more endangered than any other endangered species. And they migrate a lot. Last month, we had, I think it was over 10 sightings in Ohio. You'll notice a lot of these migrations and everything from Sasquatch is during cataclysmic events or big world events. Everything we got going on in the Middle East right now, things like that. And then you have a migration. You start to get all these sightings popping up. And if you want to like lead more scientific but blend with the myth, Author Max Brooks has like a really great book on it called Devolution that really blends the science really well that talks about this stuff. Couple of things. Couple of things. Number one, what do you like in listen, God bless you, you're a believer, right? Like I have no problem with that. If if somebody, how do you argue somebody saying to you, Hey, listen, it's 2026. Everybody's got a camera on their phone. Everybody's got ring cameras. Everybody's got trail cameras, like wherever they are. How do you argue? And again, I'm on your side. I'm fine with you. How do you argue going like if there's a migration going on or and there's multiples and all that, that why can't why can't we get a decent shot of one of these things? I really feel like you have to lean into like one or two sides. Either you go like really full blown, like mystical or you go full kind of science fiction. There's there's different arguments to kind of ping pong off of that, considering it's a species of an animal that's never really been like found, studied, dissected or anything like that. So you usually go one of those two routes. And one is that there's sort of a mystical side to it, that there's like spiritual elements that allow like this creature to basically travel at its own will with some type of godlike force or you go science fiction route where that's when you start tying in with quote, unquote, other cryptids where they basically have right forms of travel. Yeah, but I don't I don't like that. For me, for me, like if I were going to believe it's real, I need like I need one. And then the other the other argument that always comes up, because now you're asking me to believe in like like like time travel and invisible and all that other stuff is like why have they never found a body like a dead one? Yeah, well, yeah, no, there's been cases where they believe that they had done or you always get either hair samples, obviously you get footprints, things like that. Yeah, those are some of the bigger, more compelling arguments. The thing is, is there's just so many like whenever you're tying like video footage and stuff like that, there's just so many hoaxes right around that that it just sort of cancels out any potential strong evidence. Sure. No, I didn't I get that. Hey, do you believe in the Patterson Gimlin film? I do. I feel like I know we're talking about the potential that they're going to reveal at some point that there is like some other sort of behind the scenes footage that will sort of discredit it. Correct. But like I'm kind of a I'm a believer in it because there's also another documentary just called it's entitled self titled Sasquatch from Hulu that actually did really well at sort of blending all these different ideas that we're talking about, whether it's like mystical or it's like world events and science and actual science back behind the Patterson Gimlin film. Gotcha. Gotcha. I'll take it. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. I'm glad you called. Thank you. Yes, Tyler. But he'd also be the first one to tell you and he mentioned the footprints. There were stories of massive unexplained size prints that predated the Patterson Gimlin footage by decades. Yeah. Dinosaur. Going back to no, not dinosaurs, like to the 19th century, 1800s. So it's not like the Patterson Gimlin footage. Yes, it may have been sort of the cornerstone of a lot of the belief system. Oh, you know, but it's they not existed before. The film. Yeah, there was an interest. Wasn't there an article that used the word Bigfoot in the fifties? And this obviously we said was 67. 67. 67. So it's not as if this was the first. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was the best sighting ever. Right. Now, I do see and it's hard because you can tell a lot of people have not watched this film because the release is limited. A lot of people have it. But I am seeing a lot of use of the word is fake and news. That's what the community is calling it. They're saying it's completely entire new film. What is the new film called? Capturing Bigfoot is all based in artificial intelligence. You know what? I believe it. I believe that I don't believe any of the backstory. And I believe it's all. I believe it's all fake. To just try to rip apart the. I don't even know if it's intentionally to rip apart the Patterson film, but just to. Let's use that as as what we're going after. We'll build a whole movie around it. Like let's make a movie that's got zero empirical evidence. This is what they're basically saying. Right. Zero empirical evidence that just goes after their Patterson. Yeah, exactly. That's malicious. If that's really the case that they fabricated this whole genius. Yeah, about a little from column A, a little bit from column B. Yeah, I feel like it's genius. But does every single person, because there have been multiple attempts to debunk the Patterson Gimlin clip, do all Bigfoot enthusiasts, hunters, whatever you want to describe the mess, do they all believe it? Because again, it's not the only evidence. Are there some that have felt as if it was discredited and years ago, but they still persist with their efforts to find or locate or maybe identify? Yeah, maybe. Line three. Hi, Yolly in the morning. Hey, this is me. Yeah, hi. Who's this? Hey, Lisa from Gaithersburg. How are you guys? I wanted to get in on this a little bit. I am that kid that did the fifth grade book report on Bigfoot and have sort of been locked in ever since. And I recently joined the Bigfoot Society, which is really not a big deal. It's really just you pay 10 bucks a month to listen to podcasts. But you get access to these feeds from people around the world who have these experiences. And I was going to say what Tyler just said. There's so much evidence prior to the film that goes back to the early 1900s. And I'm just sort of following, you know, a couple of things. You can find evidence for it and against it in any which way, you know, you can you can support your belief or not. And then the other thing is, I think there's so many of us that kind of want to believe it's not necessarily that we do believe, but we want to believe that there is a fairly benign friendly creature out there that is hard to find super rare. I'm not a portal believer. I don't believe he's coming. They are coming through portals. Right. Good. No, that like that. Then then you're like, and again, I say this with nothing but love in my heart. But then you're like double crazy. I mean, I mean, yes, I mean, I'm, yeah. But the idea that there's a really big specimen of wildlife out there that is kind of under the radar is kind of cool. And anyone that wants to blow that up is just kind of jerky. Do you get? Do you get mad? You know, like, like, well, let me let me ask you this way. Like, obviously, I'm kidding with you. They call you crazy. The but there are people who go like this girl on the phone is crazy. Do you think people do you think people that don't believe are crazy? Like, do you look at them? Do you look at them and go like, man, that guy's dumb? No, I think it just, you know, it just signed your character. Either you have an opening in your in your mind for the unknown, or you just really just want the science in either way is cool. I just kind of like being my fifth grade self saying, Oh, wow. You know, when I go out hiking or like my son goes to school in Colorado, you better believe I love going visit him because who knows, I might see good foot. You know, like, there's just a mystery about it. That's a little magical. That's cool. So do you think that this movie, this capturing Bigfoot movie was done just as a way they just they just took the Patterson Gimlin film as the premise and were like, let's build that. Let's build out an entire story around it. I it sounds a little bit like that. Sounds a little bit like I want to go to South by Southwest. I want some police with the I want I want to, you know, be relevant. So here let's let's poke at something that's fairly easy to poke at. And where are you on? I'm assuming you saw the Bonaducci Barry Williams movie. No, I haven't seen that. Don't tell Danny. All right. Very good. Very good. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. That would crush a name that would crush him. Oh, I think it is horrible. Bigfoot. Bigfoot. Why do we have a hard time remembering that? In China, where it was also released, it was called Danny always claimed he was very big in China. Yeah, I think he did. And he was going to go over there and fight somebody, but he made it all up. Well, he fought Barry Williams. This is true. Yeah. For its theatrical release, or maybe it was straight to DVD and Blu-ray in China as well. It was referred to as King Kong three. Line two. Hi, Elliott. The morning. Hey, boy, Leo, check it in. Hey, what can I do for you, sir? All right. So Patterson was like a known, like swindler, con man. It was always screwing people out of money. And he wrote a bad check to get the camera to specifically go shoot that footage, like, I mean, just, you know, the whole other argument inside of whether he's real or not, you know, all the evidence points to him faking that footage. There's the guy that claims to be the Bigfoot in the video. You know, there's just there's just too much stuff around it that discredits that footage for me. So Patterson Patterson in real life was was a known, like, like, like swindler and like con man. Yeah, you can find all that information. I mean, it's all available. But yeah, he wrote he wrote a bad check to get that camera. It's to film that footage, which is just kind of, you know, he specifically went out to film Bigfoot. It's not like they were him and Kim when we're out there, you know, we're going to go for a camp and trip. And oh, my God, there's Bigfoot. No, he went out there specifically to film Bigfoot and just happened to get the greatest footage of all time. You know, because Bigfoot was, you know, after the 50s, Bigfoot was starting to become kind of a cultural phenomenon with sightings and all that stuff, and he just decided to cash in on it and just by chance got the best footage that's ever been gotten. You know what I'm saying? Now, let me defend that for a second. There are no, no, no, there are. That's where the expression it's too good to be true. Not not from this film, but there are real instances of it's too good to be true. I understand that. But in some cases, that is real. It could be. It very well could be. I don't know. I don't know. It's just, you know, I feel like it, you know, because I, you know, Bigfoot was a real thing for sure. We know there was a type of creature called the Australopithecus is like a seven to 10 foot bipedal eight that lived for. OK, now you're crazy. Yeah, what? What? What cryptid are you believing in? Hey, you never know. Hey, I don't know if he could be real or not. I like the idea of there being some kind of Bigfoot out there, but there was a real creature that is what people describe as Bigfoot. But the long extinct. Wait, what is the name of it? What is the Australopithecus? I believe it's a big giant. It's exactly what you would think of as Bigfoot. Huge ape. And that's real. Yeah. No, Tyler just pulled it up. Your description is spot on. Yeah. It's like it. Bigfoot was a real thing. I mean, there's a reason there's legends going that far back of big hairy men that lived in the woods that might steal your children. It was a real thing, you know, but who knows if he's still around for they or whatever. I will say this, Tyler pulled up. What is it? All Australopithecus? The Australopithecus, I think. Whatever. Tyler pulled up a picture. Are is that a real picture of the mom with the baby? No, I think so. What is that? It's disgenerated. Oh, OK. I was like, man, Australopithecus has got some big titties. Talking like three million years ago. Oh, well, they didn't have cameras back then. Oh, how long did they have to stay still for that photo? Well, just know if you go online, the women Australopithecus, they got big titties, bro. That's what they're known for. That taking your children. All right, very good. Thank you.
