Shawn Michaels

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Oh, what's your story? Don't you dare be sour. Clap for Stephanie. And feel the power. Welcome to What's Your Story with Steph McMahon, a WWE and Fanatics original production. This podcast is a little bit different. It's really more about like your... It's fun. Well, hopefully. I don't know. I hope you have fun. But it's really more about... I've had fun on all the other ones. About your story and who you are. And not necessarily, you know, who you were as HBK, you know, one of the greatest fall time. But certainly that's a piece of it. But it's about people who get to certain points in their life and, you know, the lessons they learned along the way and those things that can be helpful to others, you know, going through different things. For those of us that... Who've lived a little life. Screwed up everything under the sun early on. And then maybe, yeah. And still don't know if they're doing it correctly, but it's certainly better than it was. Or so I'm told. So I, you know, your documentary just came out, which is available on Peacock, right? And I just watched it and I loved it. But I'm curious because, you know, when you're the subject of a documentary, it's usually, you feel a certain way about it. Yeah, you're self-conscious, you know. Sure, yeah. Like when you have self-talk, you don't like to use your phone camera or everything. So you've not watched it then? I've seen bits and pieces of it. No, I've not watched the entire thing all the way. Have your kids? I think they've seen what I've seen. But I'm not, I'm not sure. Okay, okay. Because it was great them being such a big part of it. Yeah. Well, look, I'll say this. They, you know, you do, you protect your children for as long as you can. And it was the decision that we left up to them. And, you know, Cheyenne, you know. You call her? Shug. But nobody. Who was conceived at my wedding, just saying. Oh, wow. Yeah, my daughter told me that that's a gross thing to say. And I'm like, why? She goes, well, you know what that means. Apparently, you're talking about, you know, messing around with each other in front of your children. They don't like it. Like, ew. Ew. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, our kids, they know it all. And, yeah, gross as I'm out too. But yes, she was. Yeah, she was, yeah, first time in a long time. Rebecca and I got away. Get away. And yeah, it was a joke. You made the most of it. Yeah, it was. Yeah, another, you know, wonderful surprise. But yeah, so they, again, Cheyenne said she'd do it. Cameron didn't want to. And, and, you know, he just doesn't like me on Cameron stuff. Obviously, Rebecca doesn't like it either. And it's because, you know, our children get brutalized. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's one of those things that, but for them, you know, they have, now that they're older, I think they, again, it's one of those things where they're actually, they're really proud of their dad. Yeah. And they're wonderful children. We have a great relationship. You know, we love them. They love us. And how, how fortunate. So, yeah, well, again, but no, yeah, but there's no room for good news and good stories in this business. So, well, there is right here. But I will say it was, it was really, it was, I don't know, it's just nice to have them be a part of it. I mean, now with, I mean, like Thanksgiving is, you know, it's, you guys, I'm sure it's happened forever. And I'm sure there are times I guess you guys during the holidays, like we're not going to talk about business, but for us, this was the first Thanksgiving and Christmas where, you know, myself and the kids, they're all part of it. We're all sitting around bitching about our job. That's so great. We're all barry and hungry. I'm kidding. But even, but even, but even that, it's so funny, you know, they're calling him Paul and I'm like, who? Right. And it's like, well, you know, Hunter, I mean, you're the only person that calls him that dad. Very few, very few. Yeah. No, I know. Anyway, I'm working on it. But so yeah, yeah, that was just, yeah, it's just, it's very special. And like said, from that perspective, for them that was like, oh, that was, it was, it was fun for us as a family. Yeah. And, and I love the pose in the ring at the end. It's so great. Yeah. Like I said, I mean, I know, you know, again, it's one of those things because they're, you know, they pay attention to social media and stuff like that. And, you know, and again, you know, all the negative stuff outweighs the, you know, oh, I know, I know. You just can't look at it. But yeah, but I will say for us, it was, it was, it was really, and that's what matters, right? Really, well, like I said, I mean, came into the key on, you know, on, on the stuff. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, he, he, that's one of the reasons because again, he didn't, he really didn't want any, any part of it. Because he doesn't like being on camera and, and, but then they asked him like, Hey, you mind, you know, just throwing some stuff together for your dad's documentary. And so he's the one that, yeah, he's the one that did all the So cool. And you can see him and Cheyenne sort of, you know, make it fun to you. Yeah. That is the national pastime. Right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's, I, yeah. Well, they, again, they have, they, everybody knows it. Um, you know, Rebecca did such, uh, you know, an amazing job, uh, on them. And I get, I always get emotional when I talk about her because she, you know, she sacrificed, you know, everything to be a mom and homeschool them from kindergarten to graduation and has been, uh, a big part of every aspect of their lives. You know, their mother is their best friend still this day. And, uh, you know, she flies up every now and then Stanford and, you know, goes and sees him and, uh, you know, we got, you know, we got to see him a couple of weeks ago when we were there and, and, uh, you know, it was like, you got to go, you got to go. Yeah. You got to get out of your dad. I'm like, well, you know, like, I can get in trouble with my boss and part of me wants to go like, you know, Which boss? I was just talking to the big one. And, uh, but, but even that, I mean, he was telling me, uh, at the Christmas party, I think it was, and, uh, you know, Paul, so he was like, Hey, you go and start talking to him and he's doing it. You know, he's just talking to Cameron. Right. And, uh, but he's doing it in front of his, of his workmates and Cameron's like, you know, and they're all right. And he's just talking to him like his uncle. Yeah. You know, and, uh, and it was just in cameras like, he goes, I didn't know what to do. I'm trying to like introduce my colleagues, but he's just wanting to talk to me and, and, and he was like, it was so weird dad. I didn't know what to do. Uh, you know, so, um, there's still, they still every now and then, uh, struggle with balancing that part of it. Sure. You know, every time when you guys, you know, walk into their lives and you come and treat them like again. Family. Yeah. Yes. And then everyone else is watching. They don't, you know, it's like, they don't know how to be. Yeah. What they're supposed to do. Cause they don't want special treatment necessarily. And I was like, you know, and, you know, and Hunter talked to me afterwards. He goes, then I realized, I might be getting him a ton of heat with his coat. But he's like, I'm just talking to him. And you missed him. Yeah. Yeah. He never gets to see him. And so anyway, yeah, that's, uh, I don't know. It's, it's funny to me. It's probably not, you know, it's probably stressful as hell for those two. For them. Yeah. Yeah. But again, we're allowed to enjoy it. Now I'm on the other end of it. Yeah. That's what I tell my friends. My, it's your problem. Right. I'm a few, I've got my stuff locked in and I'm good. I'm on the other side. So it's up to you two to carry it now. I remember being that kid, you know, and you were always in those awkward situations. You know, it was, of course, my dad a little. Little different, but yeah. Same. Same kind of thing. For them, uh, you know, getting called Nippo babies and stuff. Yeah. Of course. Of course Nippo baby. You know, and I was one of the things even came, like Cameron didn't, he didn't want, he didn't, when he got off of the job, he's like, you know, he, he didn't want to do it at first. Right. Well, he wants to earn it on his own merit, right? Which he did. Yeah. And well, that's what I was trying to tell him. I said, look, there isn't anybody that, and again, like it's now a year and a half later. Right. And it, and he feels better because now he's had a chance. Everybody that he worked with knew someone that got them. Yeah. You know, their introduction. Because isn't that life? Right. It is. But you know, again, it's. I know. And you don't believe it when you're younger. But well, that and also like, and it's different when you're getting called an Nippo baby. Yeah. Like that. But I've made it very clear to them, like, don't trust me, this company, that you're not good at your job. They're going to. Yeah. You're going to be gone. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to make it. Yeah. They won't care. You'll have an opportunity. Yeah. Right. And maybe get ahead of people in line, fair or unfair. That's the way it is, but you have to prove yourself. Yeah. And that's the thing. They both, I'll give them that. They're both hard workers. They've been, like I said, they were, you know, they were working at night. Yeah. They're all about a ranch and doing manual labor and stuff like that and working when they were. And again, like going back to Rebecca, because there's one thing to be a stay at home mom. It's another thing to be stay at home mom plus teacher, you know, plus friend, plus everything. Like how did she study? And did she always want to be a teacher? No, honestly, if so Cameron, when he was really young, he was a baby and he drooled a lot and he, you know, he has like a little bit of a, I don't know what to call it, but is, you know, he's the rash. Yeah. It was, you know, a little bit of a, you know, with his tongue and everything. It wasn't, whatever they said back there, like it wasn't long enough for someone. When the problem. So he drooled a lot. He pulled his tongue out and was not having a night. He was not having a night. He was fresh. She wouldn't let me do that. So. But he. So it was just one of those things where she said, look, he's going to get brutalized. He's going to get brutalized at school. So she looked into homeschooling and then in a very short amount of time. And again, when that woman dives into something, she's like a dog with a bone. So she got into these curriculums from a homeschooling standpoint and, you know, just started from day one with him. And, and then by the time he was in probably, I don't know, fifth or sixth grade, I mean, the kids, right? Yeah. You know, he's really, really smart. And, and then of course, you know, by that time, she had it down pretty well. And then she just said, I'm going to do Cheyenne as well. And that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it really is. She's, she is. I mean, and she's, she's the rock of, you know, of the family. I know that sounds cliche to say, but, you know, she really has, she, you know, put everything, every ounce of her life on hold and boarded into those children every day. And continues to do it to this day supported me along the whole way, you know, and taken care of everything from a business standpoint behind the scenes and continues to do it now. I mean, you know, she, you know, she's, she's the one that negotiated my last contract. You know what I mean? Because she just told you what to say. She just told you what to say or she was the one on the phone. She won. Oh, wow. Wow. Oh yeah. Yep. Good for her. She's just, and again, because I can't, I'm up, I'm a pushover. Yeah. And, and when it comes, you know, to this place. Sure. You know, I have a, you know, a lot of a passion and a loyalty to this place and she has it as well. But. But her loyalty and passions to you, that her husband comes before us. Yes. And that's, that's, that's the line that I have trouble drawing and she doesn't. So I let her handle it. That's great. And right now she's doing great. Yeah. That's awesome. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you both. 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Like, here we are and relatively healthy and this incredible family, this incredible career that now has turned into you being the teacher and the leader. What do you think is the most or some of the most important perspective that you've gleaned throughout all this time? Like, what matters most? How do you look at that? And it's, you know, it's some of its, I guess, it'll sound like it's stroking and kissing ass. But first of all, you know, you know, everybody knows the culture that Hunter, you know, established there in NXT. And that was something that was very important to continue. And for me. And do you want to describe that a little bit? Yeah, well, so it was obviously it's you've got the the teaching of the business. And wrestling and coaching and, you know, again, from basics to intermediate to advanced, you know, very structured from a coaching teaching aspect. But the biggest, the part that moved me the most is the idea that it doesn't have to be the over the top kind of tough love that we all got. Now, on one hand, I recognize that there are going to be people that are going to say that the way we got brought up was whatever it's the right way for a different time, different time. Yeah, turn to send them in and all of that. But all of that has changed. And to just be a little bit more open and understanding of all of the different personalities and all the different, I don't know, emotions. And look, I guess the world has changed. Life has changed. We've evolved, we've grown. We understand things aren't all they're not everything is that's negative is not out of weakness. It's out of something else that is, you know, triggering that emotion out of that individual. And as opposed to just crapping on it, just trying to figure out how we help them through this and and everybody's different, right? Yeah. And look, and that's the thing that I I guess that I realized. And because I wondered, because following him was not going to be easy. And that was my biggest concern going into the job, which is like, he's, you know, he's done it for so much longer than I have. And and again, say what you want, but he's was trained and groomed and and and, you know, was under some pretty wise counsel for a long time. And I didn't have that same upbringing. I was around him quite a bit. But you kind of did. Well, I don't know. In a different way. You do. But I guess the thing is, you don't know you don't know what you have. You don't realize the stuff. And and look, I don't know. I hope I can say it. But like, that's one of the things your dad taught me. You know, a gazillion years ago, which when I first started, you know, having a school and having a show and all that. And he asked me like, he said, Well, are you are you writing it? And I said, Yes, sir. And he was, are you telling everybody what to do and where to be and helping you get the camera straight and all the stuff? And I said, Yes, it's yours. I'm the only one that's right. I'm doing everything. He said, Well, that's what an executive producer is. He said, Are you getting executive producer credits? And I said, No, I said, Why would I do it? He's like, But that's what you're doing. And so he was saying, You don't understand, right? You don't realize the job. You don't realize what you've learned here over years. It's true. And I was like, Oh, okay, because you don't. Right. I guess because I've always had the hang up. But I didn't go to college and don't have a degree. And you think that you're therefore not qualified. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So, Meanwhile, you have the best degree that there possibly is. Well, life can be a pretty good Yes. Yes, it is. But what has helped is because of my past and the road that I've traveled. It makes me uniquely equipped to deal with a lot of these. Even any of these issues, even if they're not similar to mine, I have compassion for each and every one of them because I always wondered what it would be like. That's why I gravitated again to Hunter and to Kevin and to Scott, you know, and Waltman because I could at least tell them, you know, again, Hunter, you're saying the same thing he's always said like, you hate yourself so much. And, right, you know, why, why, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah. And did you ever have an answer for that? No, because even, you know, Rebecca asked when she first met me. Yeah. But you felt like... I don't have any idea. Look, I was just so insecure coming into this stuff. And I guess I always look at it. I want to always try to take accountability for it. I just was too weak to make a strong right decision. It was easier, I guess, to... Go down a different path. Yeah. And I'm not sure ultimately that was easier. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's the thing I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I, you know, I'd be six feet under, like, you know, like most of the guys I ran around with, that's where they're all at. And so anyway, to not be too depressing. It was, but it's, it has helped me, again, want to find solutions for any struggles that our talent might be having. They're moving, you know, they're moving away from home at a young age. They're coming in, they're doing something, a lot of them now with our new athletes, this is something they don't know anything about. You know, it's intimidating. To be able to say you're a little, you know, you're scared, you're worried, you're lonely, you're... Right. That it's okay. To be able to say some of those things and know that it's okay, you're not going to be mocked, you're not going to be ridiculed, you're not going to be made fun of. And by the way, everybody else feels exactly the same. Well, that's the thing nobody told us back in the day. Yeah. That everybody, I didn't know they were all full of shit. You know what I mean? They sounded so comfy. I guess I'm not doing it right then. Yeah. Yeah, sir. Well, they're older than you, they've been doing it longer. So you go, okay, I'll take one. And they're not smart enough. Yeah. No, well, that and that's fine. Yeah. They weren't. I mean, heck, I didn't even, I didn't get, you know, and again, love him to death, I was there, but he never smartened me up, you know, before my first match, even I tell everybody that story and they're shocked that I went to the ring in my first match, not having any idea how to have a wrestling match. Because nobody, he didn't tell me anything. And I walked out there and the guy started talking to me and I was like, just did what he told me to do. And there we go. Got done. And I said, well, I guess that's how you do it. You had watched it though. Yeah, certainly. But again, we didn't have, you didn't know how to do the moves or anything. I didn't know, I knew that it was somehow kind of, I thought that it was set up. So I would assume you would talk about it before. But back then when I started, we were in separate locker rooms and stuff. I never met the guy. Oh, wow. I never met him. Never, never met him a day in my life. I met all the guys that first night in the locker room on the good guy side. I'd never even met the other guys. I wrestled for three nights before we all went to TV that I think that Wednesday or Thursday. And that's when I finally met the other side of the locker room because we were in separate locker rooms and it was our crews. I didn't, couldn't pick him out of the lineup. And went out there and locked up with him and the rest is history. Yeah. And I was too afraid in the locker room to tell everybody like, how do you do this? Yeah, I'm sure. What am I supposed to do when I have to lie to you? Like, how does it start? Yeah. So, you know, we, I just, what was your music? Did you have any? No music. No music. No, no. So you come out to the, you know, I'm maddering the claps. Some people feel bad for you. Smattering the claps. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And, and, you know, and I just, you know, I saw him circle the ring. So I started circling the ring and was just waiting, looking at his body language and I saw him started coming forward. So I went forward and I knew what we were doing. So I locked up and, and then he started talking to me and we went from there. That's so funny. It was it. Cause all I was told was, you know, heart's a good kid. Uh, you'll beat you with a spinner neck breaker. I was like, okay. That was it. That was it. Yeah. I came walking back from the ring and Terry Taylor was there. He goes, was that your first match? I said, yes, sir. And he goes, ever? I said, yes, sir. And he goes, that was pretty good. Yeah. And it went from there. That's funny. Yeah. So Terry Taylor was there on your first night. Yes. And then how did your, like, how did your paths continue to cross throughout time? Well, um, I was there for six months and Terry was, you know, Terry and the Rock and Roll Express were, and they were all great to me down there. Um, you know, a dug in was there. Jake Roberts was there. Rock and Roll Express, Ted DiBiase, Hercules Hernandez, just a, just, uh, just a bunch of guys, the Fantastics and they were all just spectacular with me. I mean, I was a young guy just trying to, and they were, I think they all enjoyed teaching, but they were all really good to me. And so, and then I went to Kansas City after that, but I learned so much. We wrestled seven days a week down there. Um, and we did double shots on Saturday and Sunday. My first week, I worked nine times. Oh my God. And yeah, and we did that for six months. I did that for six months. Good way to get good. Oh yeah. For sure. Yeah. It was fantastic. And you were working with them. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah. And the people better than you all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It was spectacular. It really was. I mean, that's, that's one thing I wouldn't change for anything in the world, which is again, getting the opportunity started mid-south for Bill Watts and the crew of guys that he had down there were just, and they were just all, you know, so good to me. Are you ready to hold WWE history in the palm of your hand? Tops is bringing you closer to the action than ever before with WWE Tops Now, highlighting the biggest matches and milestones from WWE shows and PLEs throughout the year. Tops Now is enhancing the fan experience by connecting collectors to the superstars and spectacles that ignite their passion. Featuring stunning event exclusive photography, each card is made for the moment. And for some lucky collectors, that moment could become the pull of a lifetime. Along with serial numbered parallels, some Tops Now releases offer a chance at rare short prints, superstar autographs, and even pieces of the mat, gear, or other items used during the featured match. So which moments will you collect? With each card only available for a limited time, you won't want to wait to begin your Tops Now journey. Be sure to subscribe to the WWE Tops Now mailing list on tops.com and follow Tops on all social media platforms so you never miss a single moment. It's interesting in your doc, you talk about now these kids come in and in six months they have to main roster ready and they don't have this opportunity, right? They don't get the chance as much or do they? That's kind of where I'm going with the question is, how do they get those reps? Certainly they're not working nine times a week. And the athleticism that they bring, it's a whole different level I think. It is. No, it's very challenging. And look, and that's one of the things I can remember being asked, like how long do you think it takes to get, you know, one of these athletes that doesn't know anything to get them totally ready for the main roster? And I said, honestly, to get them ready to what I think is adequate to be ready for a main roster guy, I said three years. I was going to say two. Yeah. And they said, really, can't get them faster than that? And I was like, well, we, I mean, I guess we can, but not to get them to where I think they need to be. Right. But simply because of that, because we don't have the opportunity there. We have people that, you know, I was in the hundreds of matches, right, probably three months. Yeah. Um, I can't imagine that they may not get there in a year. Yeah. With what the amount of live events and then you're just like a sponge, right? Just soaking it all up. Yeah. And again, yeah. And we were, it was every night of the week, I was in the car with those guys asking questions. The car is so important. But also, but they were all, they had all been in the business. They were so much better than me. We still have, we've got a few people down there that have more experience, but it's young on young. So even if they're having great conversations in the car, we don't, you don't know how much they're actually learning, learning, right? Respect. They're doing their best. And again, we have, you know, and, and, and Matt and all the other coaches do a phenomenal job, but you, you can't, you can't, you know, increase reps right without reps. Yeah. Just that simple. But, but look, the Evol Show, LFG, you know, some of these partnerships that we have with, you know, TNA program and TNA, you know, and, you know, reality of wrestling with book, you know, that's, that's helping us add to that rep, those reps. And again, and again, triple A factor as well. Yeah. Yeah. Triple A as well. And again, we're out there doing more live events. You know, we're not just doing coconut loops. We're going out, you know, we just did a string of really good shows, you know, in New York, you know, White Plains and Plymouth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, and they were all talking about like, you guys used to do raw back in the film. Yeah. And I described the Plymouth building like, gosh, crazy. You still know that building. Oh, yeah. You remember the really cool ones. It's true. Yeah. You know, so, yeah, I mean, you know, told them a story about White Plains. And again, yeah. And just one of those things that you want to tell it. Well, it was just, no, no, it was a Pat Patterson one about a double knockout with Scott. Yeah. Yeah. It's still fun though. But everybody loves to hear wrestling stories. Well, it was the, it was so it was, it was, we were having a dark match at the end of TV. And Pat, as we used to do. Yes. Yeah. Again. So you have TV. So they've seen everybody. Then they have Razor and I, Scott and I go out there and have a match at the end of the night. And Pat said, I want you to try something. I want you to go out there. You guys, right? You're going to do a double knockout. He says, you're on move. He said, I love the Italian. I was trying to, I was trying to figure it out. He's French, by the way. But it's like, but it comes out in Italian. French Canadian. It's the best I got. And from Texas, what do you want from me? So I'm sorry. He was, you know, move you just later. I mean, they're not going to do anything. They're not going to make a fucking beep. But then wait. And I don't want you to move. Don't jump. And just wait for them and then see if they start coming. We're like, all right, we're going to try. You know, it's a dark match. We go out there. Half the people are leaving. Right. Because they're tired. Yeah. We're tired. We're going home. Scott and I are working our day. Just delay there. Boom. Go into the double knockout. And we're just laying there. And you can hear a pin drop. And like, oh, and you know what it's silent. They got to move. Yeah. And that's all you can hear. I don't want you to fucking move. You know, hold me. Yeah. And they're not making any noise. You're like, oh my God, they got to move. But we don't move. But then sure. I don't know. And to me, it was 10 freaking minutes. Yeah. Yeah. It was probably a minute, you know, but 45 seconds, but it felt like forever. Dying a painful slow death. We are rotting. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. And that's the and all you want to do is move. If you said, you know, like you move a little bit, then we'd have been fine. But you're like, how do you know? Yeah. Okay. You know, like you're doing. So so we're laying, but then they do, they start to come and you know, you're looking out of the corner of your eye and no eye jokes. Anyway, but you're looking out of the corner of your eye. And but then you can see some of those people are starting to come back. Oh, they're interested. No way. And now they're starting to get it. And then they start coming and they're like, oh my God, he was right. It was right. And then we get up and boom, boom, we finish and we come back. I mean, he does this stuff. We did a double knockout for the next every night. Every and then every, I mean, every match and you know, people see Scott and I do it. Now everybody's doing a knockout because it's that's so funny. But yeah, it all happened in a dark matching white playing. That's so funny. So yeah, see, I love those stories. And I've heard Paul Dell a million stories. And I had to learn how to not call him a hundred two. Yeah, because I, you know, that was our whole relationship is how I knew him was Hunter, you know, that's a thing. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. And like I said, whatever. Yeah, but then we got engaged and I was like, I should call him. You can't introduce yourself. He didn't he didn't start with Paul the first time. Right. Okay. So you're out. I agree. Agreed. You know, people how you know him the first time. Yeah. Well, that and then every, you know, you know, all the time after that and heck, I saw a story out there. Somebody like, you know, gee, you know, Mr. Perfect gave Sean in, you know, under their names. I'm like, I gave him the triple H same. We were calling him that a long time before. That was another one. I don't want you calling him that. Oh, yeah. Well, because I wanted to call him, we wanted to call him triple H a lot earlier. Like at the start of DX. Or no, but even when he was when he was just hunter hers, how really we were just running around together. Right. And you know, it's from, you know, AA or an Anderson. Right. So I just thought, I thought, like he's got it, you know, triple H. I mean, so we would just like a cooler version. Yeah. Yeah. Call him that runner, you know, running around and stuff. And then we'd mentioned it events one time, like, no, it's too much like, you know, AA or an Anderson, like, it's, it's nothing like it. It's completely different. It's tripled. The other. It's different. Sometimes you lose some price. But then, but then I think it was the hell on the sale match. And again, that was right around the year again, we were, you know, we were leaning on quite a bit to you know, with the attitude stuff and all that. And then he's like, you know, we can start calling him triple H. Okay. So that's how I got it. But I would like to go on records it was yours. Yeah, well, that was mine. All right. Before all right before Kurtz. But Kurtz does get all the all the credit for the heartbreak kid for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That was like, I said it the other day, from a Chris Ladoo song that he, you know, you know, that's right. Kurtz was big, you know, in the country in Western and I used to ride with him a lot obviously. And, you know, and he one time, you know, you know, again, you know, aging ourselves put a cassette. Yes. Back in the day boys and girls, you should be a track or actual cassette. That was an actual cassette. Okay, a little, a little. Yeah, we're not. Eight Travis in high school, scorpions and Judas. But but yeah, he put it in and and it's shot shot full of love. It was Chris Ladoo song and it was heartbreak kid. And it but at the time was like, it was all right. Yeah. But because I, you know, in your mind, you envision yourself being cooler. Right. You know what I mean? I just, I think you brought cool to a different level. I didn't know I knew it wasn't going to be that cool. But I just thought I thought it'd be something a bit more masculine. And then obviously, I just blurted it out once on a promo. And and and again, that's one of those ones where I go like, because again, the music the first time I heard it, I wasn't sure about all those things. Is there a couple of things I just wasn't sure about in that because in your mind, you feel like, I'd like to be, you know, like to be tougher than that. But I but but the character wasn't and and the more I embraced that, the more just like the more he got the more fun you had. And it was, it was I wouldn't change that character for anything in the world just because it was course not to me, he was different, unique and and I don't know like one of the words the kids used today, which I love, he got that HBK was a menace back in the day. Get ready was oh my god, so awesome. And one of the things I wanted to ask you about, because you mentioned a lot in the doc again, it was just fresh on my mind because I was just watching it, but you talk about perspective and how when you were in it, you couldn't really appreciate it the way that you could now. Yeah. Right. And it's something because, you know, the hall of fame's coming up for me in, you know, tomorrow. Yeah. And for the first time, I feel like I'm I hope anyway that I'm going to have the perspective like to just take everything in tomorrow. Yeah. You know, and enjoy it and not be so nervous. Right. I always get so nervous before I do anything. But if I can, unless I was nervous for different reasons, but, you know, and I hear you talk about that and I'd love to hear you talk a little bit more about that and how do you get to that place? And is it possible for younger talent to get to that place where they're, they can live in the moment and enjoy it? Yeah. Well, we certainly, we certainly try to, you know, coach and teach from that perspective is trying to enjoy it, you know, allowing yourself to take it in, especially. And I think that's different. Right. Like, I haven't heard that being taught. Well, I don't know. We just because, because I didn't. So I guess that's just something that I always kind of focus on is when you're when you walk out there, take a second to really look around and to see all those people and go like, wow, it's pretty damn cool. I made it. You know, at least for that one instant. Enjoy that and recognize that you're getting to do something that, like, you know, you can say, I know there's been 42 of them and there's been X amount of wrestlers, but in the scheme of, you know, the globe, still very small percentage of people that get to experience something like that. Yes. I don't know. And they have all worked very hard. And this is what you kind of work for. Yeah. Take the time to enjoy that. And I, you know, we, it was so competitive. I was so competitive. I think the business was as well, but I was just, I don't, I sometimes wonder if I'd have been as good as I was if I didn't have the attitude that I had then. Right. I don't know. Right. And so, well, and I think it's youth is a big part of that. It's not necessarily that you were, you know, didn't look at it the right way or whatever. I mean, I think you did like you, you did what you felt was right over my shoulder. I was also working about the next day. I never, I never allowed myself to, you were a perfectionist. Do you think? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And if it didn't go exactly the way that I envisioned it, it bothered me. And I was a perfectionist, but in the most negative sense, right? You beat yourself up a lot. Yeah. And, and, and what I did that clearly, I lashed out, right? And that was just never positive. And again, so I wasn't able to enjoy it because I was so critical of everything that went on. And I just didn't feel like I had that luxury. Again, I can, because there are some talent, I've told mellow that I've looked at mellow and said, look, I don't, you know, this business is the way that it is. And sometimes the best people are not always going to finish in first place. It's just that, you know, you may have to work harder than somebody else to get. Isn't that like much? It is, it is, but hard to accept. It is, but I feel like they've probably heard, I can't, I don't know if it's my job to teach him about life. I will go ahead and leave that to their parents. But I need to at least do my best to teach them about this job. And yes, it is life. I just want them, I don't know, I guess I'd so worry about anybody going down the same path that I write down. So I'm just kind of on them to make sure that they don't beat themselves up in that respect, or that they're able to, again, find joy or pleasure or comfort in something other than just this job. You know, I was I didn't have anything else. I was wrapped up in this every ounce of my being was wrapped up in who I was in this line of work. They're a much healthier generation than we were. Yes, certainly that I was. And for that, I'm thrilled. That's why that's why again, I can't I that's why I beat it, you know, like a drum that just I'll never be one of those bitter old timers or I'm not going to sit there until I'm back in my day. I know, like my day, they look there are some really cool aspects of it. And some of it I thought was bullshit and dumb. Right. But but I just want them you can perspective has taught me this, you can kind of have it all. A lot of that though is going to be your choice. Right. Because your all is what? Yeah, how do you define it for yourself? Each individual defines having it all unto themselves, not everybody else's. You know what I mean? And to help them, you know, understand it and look at it from that perspective. And so I don't know. Again, I'm but that's so helpful. And I do think our best teachers and coaches in sports or academics or whatever it is do give great life advice. You know, if you're listening. Yeah, well, look, I, I, you know, the some of the people that, you know, I guess you hear about a lot of them are, you know, former football coaches, former basketball coaches, you know, well, and think about this, Sean, to your kids are roughly the same age, right? As a lot of this talent. Well, look, and that's also something I mentioned, I think, and maybe it was a different interview, but because they asked, you know, you know, did, I don't know, I think they asked would be a good coach, make you a better father. I said, Oh, I actually think being a father, maybe a better coach. Yeah. Because there isn't anybody that I have more mercy, grace, you know, compassion for than my children. And I certainly do what I can to do that with, you know, with our talent. And, you know, and that, you know, certainly one of the last things I ever do is judge anybody, right? Because I am one man that cannot. So trying to be open and, I don't know, at least as fair and understanding as I can be about whatever is a struggling with, because I don't know, I don't know enough about all of them to, you know, to say whether it's right or wrong, whatever is they're going through. Our job is to get them through it and then to help them get them get them back on course and help them do good at this job. And if that helps them in other aspects of their life, that's obviously a huge plus. Right. That's awesome, Sean. I bet you are making such a difference. And I hear it from them. You know, they love working for you and they love that you're giving them clear direction that you can be critical, but you're also so supportive. And it's whatever fun you have with Javan Evans, like the two of you seem to constantly get each other. That seems like a great thing. I have fun with a lot of them. And I do, I feel like I'm fair. And I but I adjust to each one of them, you know, which is a great leadership quality. Javan is different than you coach trick. Yeah, you know, I mean, I thought trick and I had a lot of really good conversations. And he, you know, again, but he was somebody that I felt you could challenge more. You know, and and because I don't want to get because he was tricks, he scrappy, he's a fighter, and he's a guy that's not afraid to work hard. And I could challenge him quite a bit. Yeah. And and and do you think it's because you both are brought up by military fathers? Maybe. Is there a connection? And look, and I will say, you know, I hope I'm not speaking out of line on his part, but faith is a part of, you know, lives as well. And those were things that we could, you know, that we could talk about as well. And so I would again, use different aspects in that respect to, you know, to let him know why I was making whatever decision I might have been making at the time. But he was somebody, again, that I think was he somebody that you know is so special. They all are. I mean, oba and trick and Javan, they're all very, very special. They're all very different. Yeah. In very different ways. And because oba, you can just you know, he was hands off. He never he never once came to me and complained about anything. Rarely asked about too many things from where we go and what are we doing? What am I doing stuff like that? The only other the only the only things that he would sort of get bothered by is he'd you know, he'd have this idea of how he wanted to do some things at the end of the match and I might change it. And and he had really worked hard in in wanting, you know, in giving it some thought, you know, right, trying to have the initiative and show how much he was working on it. And but I have the luxury of kind of knowing where we're going. Right. And he doesn't and he and this is consistent exactly with what he said to us to. Yeah, okay. Yeah, because we had the chance to interview him. And it's exactly what he said. Yeah. And and but he and I don't remember time. He just he just said, okay, you know, he he never I don't know, he never balked at anything. He was a consummate pro. Yeah. And and that's what he says because he's he said, look, I had the opportunity to suggest things, you know, and even if I didn't understand why Sean picked the direction, but literally he said exact same thing. Sean is something in his head. He has a vision. I know that I don't I'm not privy to that. My words, not his. And then he said, so I would do the best I could to execute because I understand that I am and like I work for this man and I want to give him what he's looking for. And, you know, that's true of any sort of job, right? He just has this perspective. I've certainly tried to tell them I get I do not take the trust that they put in us from a creative standpoint, or even me is, you know, one of the guys, one of the many people, because it's the entire NXT crew that puts it all together and gets them to the main roster. It's a it's a group effort, including the fan base. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. But we all take it really seriously again. None of us like everybody in Orlando. That's one thing I'm, you know, comforted to say we're all none of us are looking to move up. Right. You know, we're all happy in Florida. You have a great tan, by the way. Thank you very much. Some of it's even real. Got a couple days at the beach. But but it is it's it and that trust is, you know, is important does we don't take that lightly. And so everything we're doing is to is to give them the opportunity to get to the main roster and to have success, right? Because a lot, you know, we've seen some people get to the main roster and not have as much success. So we're trying to make sure we act, you know, accurately prepare them in a way that would give them the best opportunity for success. And so and as quickly as possible without as many reps, right, right. And that's not easy to do, right. And they're not they're not going to get that many more reps going forward. That, you know, those those things are just then that's a business model that right. Different. Now, people have found that is, you know, not a must right now. And so that changes how you do things. Yeah, going forward. Everything. There's not a one size fits all for all of this. And, you know, we've got almost 100 people down there and trying to find 100 different ways to teach 100 different people. Yeah, just happened by magic. Yeah. Road to Gold is the latest WWE exclusive from Fanatics Casino, bringing WrestleMania thrills right to your fingertips. It is the most star studded casino game ever built. Spin Reels featuring 20 WWE superstars from Cody Rhodes to John Cena and my personal favorite, Triple H. And for the first time ever in an online casino game, you'll hear the voice of WWE himself, Michael Cole, battle to the top for rewards with bonus spins, mystery wins and cash collect moments. This is WrestleMania Road to Gold and it only lives at Fanatics Casino, must be 21 and over. Gambling problem called 1-800-GAMBLER. Not available in all states, see Fanatics Casino app. Perfectionism, right? Do you think that you were born with it? Was it an example that was set for you? Like how early on can you remember being very hard on yourself? Because I find it's not something that just shows up later. Yeah, well, look, I don't know. You're gonna get me on the couch here in a minute. So I look, I will say this, because I've never, I felt like I had a wonderful upbringing. So I've never won to, I always put the heat on myself because I feel like that's the responsibility I need to take. But, you know, we had a strict household and, you know, success and winning and things like that were obviously expressed to be way better than not winning and not doing well. But I think, I go back to the insecurities. I, you know, my, both my brothers went to, you know, college and graduated college and stuff like that. And I guess I always felt like I didn't get an education. So I'm not the smartest one. And what I wanted to do was just so different than everybody else. So when did you know? And it just seems, I knew when I was 12. Right? I knew when I was 12. Again, I, you know, saw it once again, Southwest Championship Wrestling. It just, who was it? Well, at the time, again, it was just coming on. So it was the montage at the beginning. Really? Oh yeah, what they're doing the slow motion of the guy. You were like, yeah, the cross body and everybody else. Oh my God, this is the coolest thing in the world. But it was, you know, it's got Casey, Eddie Mansfield, you know, Terry Funk, the funk to their Wahoo McDaniels, Tully Blanchard. I had the biggest rivalry going on. Tully and Wahoo was a huge rivalry in San Antonio. And Tully was like our version of, you know, he was like Texas or South the Southwest version of Ric Flair. Yeah. So Tully was just the coolest, you know, meanest bad guy. And then Gino Hernandez came in with him and him and Gino were incredibly cool. And you know, the ladies, you know, the big bruiser and beating everybody up. And then people like, you know, Bruiser Brody would come in or, you know, Bruiser Bob Sweethan, Nick Bachwinkel came down a couple times. Yeah. So it was just, and it was just absolutely cool. I mean, and, you know, I went out and told my mom, I'm going to be a professional wrestler and she, you know, give me that. That's nice, honey. And I never grew out of it. And then, you know, started going and got the magazines and all that kind of stuff and learned what was going on in the AWA. That's the first time it was the WWW. Yes, you know, and you would get the rankings worldwide wrestling. You'd get the rankings and stuff. And then eventually, you know, cable TV came around. And then we had, we got world class wrestling out of Dallas with the Von Erichs. Then we got WTBS. So that was Flair and the Freebirds. Wow. Dibbiasi. And then we got the WRTV out of New York. And that's when I got to see Bob and Bob Acklin and, you know, Pedro Morales watch Snooka jump off the cage onto Morocco. Yeah. You know, just like, Oh my God, that's the coolest, absolutely the coolest thing ever. And I, you know, and I never grew out of it. Never grew out of it. And I agree. It's the coolest thing ever. And I'll never grow out of it either. Yeah. And it's still going today. Look, that's going back to the kids. It's it's one of those things that that's what even, you know, doing this documentary was so cool, because they can at least now they understand it a little bit. Yes. Because even them, the in the jobs they do, they have found their joy and their passion of getting to watch and seeing their work go out there and do well. And it's like they, they not they, so they understand a little bit of the romance that I have with it. And that's what makes it also enjoyable for us. Again, when, you know, with Cheyenne, when the girls go out there and they're looking like a million bucks and she's like, you know, you know what I mean? And and him with again, it's, you know, a Tatum Paxley. So, you know, she picked my shirt and, you know, and, you know, you know, Johnny and Candace, they picked, you know, just all everybody, you know, John Cena, right, doing his stuff. And so it's just amazing. You know, that was my graphic. That was my shirt. It's so cool. Yeah. You know, so and so, you know, when the NXT championships, she was wearing my makeup. You know, that's just again, it's just that must be such an incredible feeling. It is. So I think I said they just they understand it a little bit better now, because they they have a vested interest. They can relate to it. Yeah. And they're in their way. Exactly. Right. And it's, you know, clearly in a much healthier way, certainly than mine was. But so I don't know, it's it's something that, and again, Rebecca has always been, you know, in a weird way from the first from the first time. You know, we got married. We walked into the Freeman Coliseum and we came down and your dad saw us from literally the other side of the building. And he walked over, you know, moved everybody out of the way. And he was she was the first person they introduced himself to. Wow. I mean, and she's like, nobody's ever done that for me before. You know what I mean? So she's got a loyalty to this place as well. And so we're just a weird family that way. You know, that it's again, this this place is invested, you know, in the Hicken Bottom Clan in a way that, you know, that we're appreciative of. And, you know, what you ask for us to do is to work, you know, you know, our backsides off to do this job. And we don't have a problem doing it, because it's it's what we enjoy doing, because you're allowing us to do the things that we feel like we were put on this earth to do. You know what I mean? Right? My children are allowed to use the gifts that they were given. Yeah, that they feel like Almighty God gave them to do a job that they really, really enjoy. And how cool of a business, right? Where it can run the gamut in terms of opportunities, right? Like, you know, whether it is hair and makeup, which is, you know, an artistry in and of itself, you know, or it is branding and marketing, or it is creative services where you get to create all this incredible artwork and covers and whatever it is. And then there's the writing side of the business. And then there's accounting and there's like anything you want to do, you can do in WWE. Absolutely. And the biggest thing that they understand now is the time. Yeah, you have to work your tail off. Absolutely. And it never stops. And that's also life. It is. But that's the thing that they look at me now and they are like, Oh, I get it. We get it now, dad. Yeah. And you did that for us. That's pretty cool. So I don't know. So like I said, it's it's it's kumbaya moments for you know, for us anyway. But how amazing easy for the world. And but it works. Cheesy works for us. Cheesy is the best. I love I love the chatter. Bring it on. Bring it on. Yeah. But how important is faith? For you? In particular, you know, how did you find I know, I believe Rebecca was a big influence. But how did you find your way? And was it back to God? Did you have a relationship when you were younger? Or was it a new relationship? So I was I was raised a Catholic kid. Right. So, you know, I went to let's see it's not kindergarten at first grade, but second, third, fourth and fifth grade, I believe were Catholic school. So you're in the suit and yeah, getting taught by the nuns and did you get wrapped? I did not get I was a good boy. Oh, yeah, I was actually a really good boy. You were. Yeah, I went to Helen Handbasket. But it was a good run. I had a book book into my life started good. What really arrived in the middle and back is good as well. So but no, I was I was I was a pretty good boy. And but so it's great Catholic, you know, do the sacraments. I was an ultra boy at one time. So I knew of it. But and again, this is no no disrespect to Catholics out there. You know, again, we had a Catholic wedding. Yes, I'm a Catholic. Yes, I was there. Up and down and so I got new knees so now we can go back. But but so it so it was it was loosely there. But clearly paid no attention to I always I would always say I was given a, you know, had a God given gift to wrestle. I felt like that was something I believe that's true was I really did. Yeah. But but it wasn't it wasn't anything that was, you know, one way or another. Obviously, I have the injury. And believe it or not, one of the first conversations, Rebecca and I had because you know, it's a heck I think it was our first one. And she's like, do you believe in Jesus Christ? And I said, yeah, because I did. Right. But I didn't I hadn't thought about it in a long time. Hadn't thought about it. Plus, I didn't know that because I'd heard the whole born again stuff. And that was always because I can remember early in high school. Again, we're a Catholic family. And this, you know, a lot of us on the base were Catholic families. And one of our friends was and I can remember my mom one time, I got to hear about the almonds. And like, no, they were born again. I don't know what I didn't know what it was. Like, who is like, I didn't know what it meant. But you're like, I don't see she's whispering it. So I guess gotta be pretty serious. So anyway, that that was all I knew of it. And then of course, you see some of the crazy preachers on TV here and there. And you know, hey, right? Yeah, the evangelists. Yeah. I don't know. So but anyway, she asked me that. And I mentioned her because I did. I was like, I need to get I need to go get going back to church anyway. Just one of those things I always knew that was probably something I needed to probably have a little bit more in my life. If you want any structure, because I'm kind of I'm a I'm a I found like I'm very structured individual. I've got my, you know, my things that I do it. And I think all the people at NXT will tell you where you're where I have to work in a structured environment. So it's got to be a certain way. He's over there. I'm in there 1055. He's shown up at 1115. What is it? So for the love of God, so some things don't change. He's never on time. But that's but that's the kernel. Yeah, we were never late for anything. Yeah. So I've got that. I mean, I still kernel being my dad. Yeah. Yeah. And to this day, I mean, I tell people younger than me. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. It bothers the hell out of them because I'm the oldest guy in the room. But I still say yeah, it's just something that that comes out. And I'm actually I might have been a drug addict, but I was on time. When they said get out at 2pm, I was out. You're out. That's right. Anyway, but so that's that's was again, just how it started. And then of course, you know, she and I got married very quickly. And and she was, you know, a lot of fun. Yeah. I mean, we came out, you know, we came out here to get married. Yeah, we got married in Vegas, Graceland wedding chapel and we I mean, we had we had fun. Oh, that's so great. Oh, it was awesome. Yeah, tremendous. And but so we go back home and she's like, that was fun. Yeah. But now it's time to go back to life. And I was like, no, no, the party should continue. Yeah. And she's like, because we only we didn't know each other for that long. Right. Oh, he wasn't just having fun out there. He's kind of like this all the time. Yeah. And sure enough, not long after that, you know, she finds out she's pregnant and then having a baby. And so she's like, I mean, like my wife is like, boom, she makes a decision like, it's like, okay, this is done. That's done. This is done. I'm eating tuna fish and oatmeal, you know, you know, for the next nine months, gonna make sure the baby's healthy. You know, there's we're going to the what is the OBGYN and they're giving stars. If you make if you make your weight and stuff, she's you give her a goal. She's like, I'm getting a star. I wish I had the star chart. I didn't have a child either. Man, I gained a lot. Yeah. Well, I was like, she said, you know, she said she's a jib. I mean, she had abs and stuff like nine months like like abs over belly. It's like the side of the belly one. Yeah. Yeah. And then she I mean, she anyway, she's an animal. So but long story short, I'm still off the deep end a little bit. And she just, you know, mentions that she's gonna, you know, I want to start going back to Bible study, you know, but sure, you know, I'm supportive husband. Go ahead and do your thing. Right, right. You go do that. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, and every now and then I, you know, be peeking over like, Oh, you're reading, what are you looking at? And so that Christmas, I get some, you know, some books, you know, I get a study Bible for Christmas, but I get this one book, and it's called Straight Talk to Men. And, and so I'm reading it. And it's talking about, you know, you know, what godly men are supposed to be and fathers and stuff like that. And I'm reading this thing and I'm like, I'm a little far from that. None of this stuff. And I don't know. And I just like, yeah, just it really bothered me. And then, but not enough, not enough for anything to change, you know, and then he, but it was, but it started. Yeah, starting. She never says a word. She just doing her, she just bought you a book. But that, that's, but I would ask about stuff. Yeah, yeah, I was generally, but she never wants, I mean, she didn't nag me. She never got on me. She never said anything. And you made the decision on your own. That was one of the things, but, but, you know, because she said, and she didn't tell me to laugh towards one night, I'm out of it. And she goes into the closet, she gets down on her knees, you know, and, you know, and just crying, praying. And, you know, my goodness, what do I do to change him? What do you change him? And she says, all I hear is don't change him, change you. And she's like, so I just, I'm the one that needs to change. Seems really weird to her, but she went ahead and did it. And the change in her is what had an effect on me. And what was that? Become a woman that she is the most selfless being on the face of the earth. Just, I mean, she gave up everything for me and those children. Everything, you know what I mean? And, you know, every aspiration that she had, she's, you know, she's smart, bright, hard worker, gorgeous. You know, yeah, well, I mean, can those numbers like the back of her hand, I mean, she can, she could, she could have done anything. Yeah. And what did, what did she want to do? Did you hear her talk of things before you guys got me? Strangely enough, she was going to school for accounting. Wow. You know, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying from our, you know, from our portfolio stuff to tax stuff. I mean, she's on it. Yeah. You know, and anyways, but it was, you know, it just was such a weird thing in that, you know, what, like, don't worry about him, you know, where, you know, you knew me, why did you run from me? You know, she was raised in the church and stuff like that. So, you know, it was more about, and it was just so weird to her that like, you know, changed me hell I'm buying compared to him, but she did it anyway. That's the message that came through to her. And that's what went on. And then I just started asking questions. So, you know, the book wasn't there. It's like a subtle hint or anything like that. It was me asking, right? No, I was teasing about that. No, no, no, but I guess that was the thing though. But I guess because so many people have asked like, what'd you do? What'd you say to him? And she's like, nothing. You know, I work on me. But did you witness a change in her behavior? So yes, she became so selfless and became the woman that she is. But what, what did she do differently? Like, did you, did you witness a shift in her behavior? No, I can't. I mean, never really nagged you or anything. No, no, no. But I mean, to this day, it's still, you know, we're, I don't know, more men were dumb. You know, just I miss, I still miss so many things, you know, that, you know, that she just does so naturally. And like even her, she's, you know, she's, I guess, I'm gonna get into a much trouble with it. But it's like, even she's, you know, she was raised to keep housecleaning and all that kind of stuff. And, and, and, and that's what I was saying. She's like, he doesn't care about a clean house. He wants to sit with me. Right. He'd rather have time with me than maybe in the kitchen cleaning. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So she's had, you know, I mean, again, we still have a spotless house. But it's one of those She just does it after she. Yeah. And he's like, when I'm gone, yeah. Yes. You know, but it, you know, I just things like that, I guess, you know, did so many things that I just think I, and she's, believe it or not, she's similar to you in that she's very driven. She's very independent. You know, she doesn't, she doesn't need me at all. She does in a different way. But, but, but she would have been successful. Right. Without me. But again, how does she define success? Right? How does she define success? By what she has now, her children. That's right. And her husband and all the love that you guys share. Right. For sure. So she is. And she looks, yeah. But, but even that, I can, you know, we, I don't know, like even us having camera the first time, you know, I remember before we even married, she's going to a, you know, she's going to a nitro show. And when she's talking to me, going through the airport, you know, she's, you know, running to get her plane. And I'm like, I'm going to have a baby with you. And she's like, you know, she's like, don't tempt me, I'll do it. And I was like, yes, I said, throw those pills away, throw those pills away. And she's like, don't, don't you tell me to do that, I'll do it. I said, do it. She goes, I swear to God, I'm grabbing them, I'm grabbing them out of my purse right now. She's right. So we have this whole conversation. She's running through the Atlanta airport to catch her plane. And she's swear to God, I got him in my hand, I'll throw him in the trash can. I said, dude, I don't care if you do it. Years later, we're traveling through the Atlanta airport. She shows me the trash can. Wow. But yeah, she throws them away. And, and, you know, and we're getting married, I don't like in a month. But, but then we get married, we had the greatest time in the world. And we say, you know what, I say, let's maybe let's wait. Maybe let's wait six months. We're having so much fun. We had that baby. We're having so much fun. And she's like, all right, tremendous. I think maybe two or three days later, because we're going to whole foods and all this and like, oh, there's all these almond butter, pecan butter, all these different things. Let's try all those. I leave and go to work the next day. I come back and I go, I said, I want to try some of that almond butter. And she's like, I'm like, where is it? She goes, I ate it all. And I was like, oh, I was like, okay, it's all right. I mean, can I get some of the pecan butter? I ate all that too. I mean, clean it all day. She said, I think I'm nesting. Oh, oh, oh, oh, she knew. Yeah. Yeah. And then we go and find out, we're not waiting six months. We find out she's six weeks pregnant. We're off to the races. Anyway, yeah, it's been a, but our whole, our whole life has been like that. Again, we weren't trying to get pregnant at y'all's wedding. That just happened, which I consider the best of all time. We've never, we have, we've, we've never really planned anything just because it's the way our whole life is gone. We've, we've gone where we feel like, you know, the good Lord leads us and what doors open for us, we go ahead and roll through the ones that close you like, you know, we'll all live with each other in a trailer. We don't care. Right. It doesn't matter. You know, I went, I retired because I felt like it needed to be done and I needed to come home. I don't know that we were set for life or anything like that. It was time to, and I don't know if I probably didn't help her out much, but I felt like I needed to go back and have something to, you know, do with my children's lives and, and then did that and, you know, and then said, let's go get a ranch. All right, let's go get a ranch. You know, we left a business and a house in, you know, north of San Antonio and went farther west and bought a ranch and well, what are we going to do with that stuff? We saw it. Yeah, we saw it. But for someone who likes so much structure, how, how were you able to because, because that's where the faith comes in. Okay. So first of all, you know, we've been, you know, tithers since the day, you know, we got saved and, and there's certain promises there that look, and if, look, and if at the end of the day, it turns out it's all a lie and we get shafted at the end of the day, I'm going to go like, how are you son of a, nobody up there, I guess, but boy am I, boy am I pissed. You know, son of a biscuit. But I don't know because, because they all will live with me in a trailer. So we don't really worry about it. I don't know. I, I, I don't want to do I, I think that it's all going to work out. We've, we've been smart and all that kind of right. But I guess, you know, but we will nearly really do stuff and but still do it, I guess in the, in the smartest way we think, because we like, I guess I'll say this, like we don't, we don't, you know, we're, I don't know if we don't make extra amount of percentage on our, I don't think we've ever like made money on a house sale. I don't know. That's none of that stuff's going to make or break it. But we, you know, we, we, we came out to Florida. And when I visited the, you know, the performance center, I came back and you know, she could, she just can tell, you know, that it was different. And she's like, you know, and I just, you know, just brought up the idea that was really cool. And you know, it lives neat down there. Like what he's doing. It's pretty special. And she's like, she's, I have to be honest. She said I was really surprised. And I'm probably telling it wrong. And she'll, she'll remind you. But, but, uh, you know, she just, she was really surprised that I retired when I did and didn't do anything. She always to anything with the business. Yes. She was nobody was more amazed than she was that I just dropped up and left. Yeah. She's thought, because again, even at that time, I had, you know, I had an offer to, you know, if you want to just come back every month for pay per views and the two TVs, anything to, you know, stay involved. Yeah. You know, I mean, because I've all kind of been creatively into that kind of stuff. Right. And so, but no, I just, you know, I wanted to come home and do what I could. And, uh, he said, then we got the ranch, but then we came to Florida and I went down there and visited the performance center and she could see the look in my eye. And we were talking about it. And she was like, well, I was surprised that you, you know, I always figured you'd do something in the business. And I was surprised that you left when you did and how you did and went away from it. And nobody's more surprised than me. And but she had never told you that. Wow. No, no, because she, I mean, she just, I don't know. She just, she, I guess she tries, she knows she can influence my decisions, I guess. And she, she's very, I think conscious. She never wants to manipulate in any way shape or form. Right. You know what I mean? Cause that, you know, uh, I don't know. She's just, she's always been wonderful about that, you know, about not ever pressuring me and, you know, letting things come to me in their time. Wow. You know, that's beautiful. Cause I guess, well, I think she feels like I'm a terrible wife is what I mean. I think it's just from the standpoint that I think she doesn't think that it will be real or it will last. Right. If it's not my decision. Well, and she, um, obviously has a great history of letting you do this, right? Like what she was told and being there for you in a different way, right? Then maybe she would have expected or you would have thought and, and intentionally not influencing you, right? She wasn't saying things to you about getting off drugs or anything like that. She wasn't forcing you to do anything ever. The best way was always to just, you know, let you, like you said, let you come to it on your own. Well, and, uh, and I think it was just the other day she said, but she, she's strangely enough, she said, I've always, the role you're in now is the role that I always saw you in. That's so cool. Yeah. She says, you know, didn't know how she was gonna come up. Well, and she's like, you run the wrestling school. Yeah. You know, like I'm sure that, but I, but like even back then I can, there was a time getting early in my faith and everything else. I'm putting together all this stuff, you know, early on you're just feeling all this stuff and you know, I don't know, all these leadings and stuff like that. And how does it start? How does it start? You know, I don't, I guess, I don't know. It was just, it was, you know, sincerely, I don't know, reading my Bible and, and taking, and just having quiet time. It's the stuff I still do to this day. I still get up every morning and, you know, and read my Bible and do my devotional. And then, you know, I have to, you know, I have to time myself now, but I gotta, you know, whatever. And then, you know, have quiet time and just see if, you know, and sometimes it's, you know, just be still and know that I am God, you know, which is like, you know, nothing to change. You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing. Just keep doing it. Yeah. You know, there's not always, I don't know. I mean, and it's not, it's not, it's certainly not a science to it. And I'm God, my goodness, I'm not the guy to ask. I'm sure there are people that are way better at it than me, but it's just things like that have always happened in our life. It's, you know, certainly for as long as, you know, I've been doing this and then for our marriage, 27 years, that's why again, she, she's, you know, we talked about the performance center and stuff like that. And it was like, well, maybe, you know, in a short amount of time, we talk about it. And by the time we are leaving Florida, she's got it in her mind. She is dead set. We're going back to the ranch. We'll pack up in a month and we'll move to Florida. Cheyenne tells the story. You guys had a house purchased by the time you left vacation or something. She's already good. She already had the places that we were going to rent until we find a place that we like. And yeah, and then we're like, really, and then we sit and we have, you know, talk with the kids and talk about it. And we go from there. And that's exactly what we did. We went back and in a month's time, she had us. That's amazing. She's the most amazing woman ever. One of one best wife ever. Yeah. Well, you know, man, I don't know. Obviously, obviously I'm biased. I'm sure you know, he's the guy. She is. She's freaking money. But but you know, some, I, you know, if anybody deserves it, it's me. I don't know what I'm doing. Of course. I'm a walking train. Man. So, you know, I had this, I was going through a lot and I was compelled to write something down. Right. For some reason, I just, I grabbed a pen and I had a post it note in my closet. And I wrote, I love you. And it stopped me because I felt like it was God telling me that everything's gonna be okay. I love you. It was really beautiful. Yeah. Well, you know, what, you know, do you remember it? Because we, years ago, we got you guys for your wedding, you know, a couple's Bible and all that stuff. And it was so yes. Yeah, you know, because you know, I don't know that stuff. But I remember Sean polarizing. I remember when you first called Paul. Yeah. You know, you know, so I get that's the thing. Even that, you know, and when, you know, geez, and you know, and when, you know, when he got sick and stuff, you know, it's, you know, except enough of those things have happened in my life. And again, I try not to, you know, that's why we that's why we can live in the freaking trailer. Yeah. Again, everything. Again, I'm always, you know, so thankful for this job and the life we have and everything else and for our children and everything else. But if it's all gone tomorrow, if something, you know, I don't happen to them happen to you guys, just, you know, it's like, I pray for you guys every morning. You know, it's I just those are just things that not a lot of people have that in their lives, you know, which is a wonderful family and wonderful friends, you know what I mean? And so we've managed to get that in this crazy job. And to me, it's hard to really care that much about anything else. I don't mean in the bad way, not care, but it's, I don't know. He texts me this morning, how you doing? And I'm like, he's like, I'm doing good. I do have some issues. I do have some problems. But I said, I can't give any of them to you because they pale in comparison to yours. And I said, it is such bullshit that I don't have you to complain to anymore. I said, I literally cannot bitch to you anymore because it means nothing. He's so not holding up his own deal anymore. So, you know what I mean? So, you know, I mean, he was looking forward to seeing you. Yeah. Yeah. No, but it is, it's, it's, it's, I don't know, it's stuff like that. You guys have such a special relationship. Yeah. I mean, you do. The group of you, but you and Paul, you know, in particular that I've witnessed and it's such a privilege to witness. It really is. Well, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's weird. I wish that sometimes every now and then I'd love to be able to say, you know, like on stuff like this, the stuff we talk to each other, but we, we took it. Best not to. Yeah. Yeah. Probably best not to share, but it's, but look at it. It's egg set, you know, wonderful family, wonderful friends. And again, there's nobody else, you know, and we're just going to be there on your deathbed. Yeah. You know, so. And I don't want you, I mean, who am I to say, but you, you're so humble. Um, I hope you realize how important you are and how much you mean to so many people. And that's around the world. That's the impact you made as the heartbreak kid. That's the impact that you make on all of these talent. That's the impact that you make on your children. Um, you're, and on your friends, you're such a special person. And, uh, and we're also lucky to know you. Well, it's very nice. I don't know what to say. I know you can't handle it. You can't handle the positivity. That's why I want to say it. Make you squirm in that chair. I appreciate it. I will. Again, that's where it goes back to the, you know, all I know is that you said, you know, if you guys can make it, you'll be there on my deathbed. But, you know, it's, it'll be one of those things that's, that's, that's all that's the only things that again, every day it starts the way it does. And it's still comes back, you know, to that same very small group of people. And, uh, and all I know is that that's all, that's all I'm technically have any amount of, you know, what little control I have in this world. That's the only thing I have any amount of control over is my relationship with them. And it's, you know, and it's all thriving now. And that's enjoyable. And I don't know, I just want to always do anything I can to keep it that way. It's stuff like this. It always makes me nervous that I don't know, say something wrong or something's taken right now. And people are going to say that anyway, no matter what. No, it will be that same. And you've, you know, grown up, you know, that's been my whole life. Yeah, but you never get used to it. No, you don't. It's never fun. Oh, come on. Really? Oh, so that's, that's again, that's why I got, that's why I go back to the book and I try to, you know, because all I'm supposed to worry about is, you know, what I have my last breath year, you know, my next breath is in front of the man himself and, you know, and all I want to hear is, you know, you know, well done, my good and faithful servant. You know what I mean? So, and if I can, if I can get that, then I mean, I, you know, that's, that's, I don't know, it's all I can do. Either that or I go into the ground and it's nothing. And it's all being a lot, been a lie and whatever. Right. Like you said, right. And then you're turning into worms. Why was a good run? It's a good run. Well, it got me through. Thanks. I believe it. Well, I think that's a beautiful way to end. Thank you so much, Sean. It's been like a love fest. No, I love it. It's great. It's great. Goodness. I'm sweating now so bad. Well, at least they didn't cry on this. No, I know, but you almost did a couple of times because I can make it, I can make it through Hunter now for the most part. My wife's still always going to be a little tough though. Yeah. She's going to be a tough one. Well, that's all right. Yeah. You mush. She's pretty cool. You're mush. Thank you. Thank you guys.