The Belle of the Burden: Thursday, May 21st, 2026
57 min
•May 21, 20269 days agoSummary
The Toast hosts discuss celebrity relationships (Kylie Jenner and Timothy Chalamet's privacy), Aaron Rodgers' NFL retirement announcement, Bethany Frankel's $20M+ annual influencer earnings, and reality TV drama from the Married to Medicine and Real Housewives franchises, including parenting challenges and interpersonal conflicts.
Insights
- Celebrity couples increasingly maintain strict social media privacy despite heavy paparazzi exposure, suggesting strategic control over narrative rather than genuine privacy concerns
- Influencer compensation has dramatically outpaced traditional celebrity earnings, with diversified brand partnerships across multiple product categories generating substantially higher revenue than legacy entertainment deals
- Reality TV production creates significant family strain for cast members, particularly mothers balancing childcare, filming obligations, and spousal support without proportional household income contribution
- Generational wealth and privilege can paradoxically create relationship dysfunction when partners pursue unfulfilling ventures that drain family resources and time without financial return
- Audience perception of female celebrities shifts dramatically based on confidence and refusal to perform modesty, with older demographics rewarding authenticity while younger audiences resist perceived arrogance
Trends
Strategic relationship privacy as brand management tool among A-list celebrity couplesInfluencer economy maturation: diversified portfolio monetization exceeding traditional entertainment earningsReality TV production impact on mental health and family dynamics becoming explicit narrative focusGenerational shift in female celebrity confidence and rejection of performative humilityInterfaith relationship normalization in celebrity cultureAthletic retirement timing challenges in professional sportsParental support systems and spousal labor inequality in high-earning householdsTikTok as primary platform for celebrity discourse and backlash amplificationLuxury lifestyle expectations in children of high-net-worth individualsMedical professional tipping culture expansion beyond traditional service industries
Topics
Celebrity relationship privacy strategiesInfluencer marketing economics and brand partnershipsReality TV production and family stressSpousal labor inequality in dual-income householdsFemale celebrity confidence and audience perceptionInterfaith relationships and religious conversionProfessional athlete retirement planningParenting while filming reality televisionTipping culture expansionChiropractor and alternative wellness treatmentsBook recommendations and reading cultureDental hygiene and professional tipping normsFirst-year motherhood emotional processingWater bottle design and hydration productsReality TV conflict escalation and physical altercations
Companies
L'Oreal
Bethany Frankel cited as one of her largest brand partners with multi-million dollar annual contract
Skincare Girl (implied brand)
Referenced in context of Bethany Frankel's diversified influencer portfolio across beauty products
Peacock
Streaming platform where Real Housewives episodes are watched and analyzed by hosts
Instagram
Primary social media platform discussed for celebrity relationship privacy and influencer posting strategies
TikTok
Platform where celebrity backlash occurs and audience discourse amplifies, particularly regarding Bethany Frankel
Forbes
Publication referenced in context of Bethany Frankel's previous cover and career trajectory
Sports Illustrated
Magazine featuring Bethany Frankel in editorial content alongside younger models
New York Jets
NFL team where Aaron Rodgers played before announcing retirement with Pittsburgh Steelers
Pittsburgh Steelers
NFL team where Aaron Rodgers will finish his 22-season career before retirement
Green Bay Packers
NFL team Aaron Rodgers previously led for a decade before departing
People
Kylie Jenner
Discussed for commenting 'daddy' on Timothy Chalamet's Instagram, then deleting; relationship privacy strategy analyzed
Timothy Chalamet
Discussed for maintaining strict social media privacy with girlfriend Kylie Jenner despite public appearances
Aaron Rodgers
Announced retirement after upcoming 2026 NFL season, ending 22-year career
Bethany Frankel
Revealed earning $20M+ annually from brand deals; discussed on Emma Greed's podcast Aspire
Emma Greed
Hosted Bethany Frankel on her podcast Aspire; defended episode release against TikTok backlash
Jessica Simpson
Discussed seating arrangement on Hawaii flight where children sat separately due to mother's ticket purchase
Nick Lachey
Ex-husband of Jessica Simpson; shared flight to Hawaii with Simpson, current wife Vanessa, and their children
Vanessa Lachey
Current wife of Nick Lachey; shared confined flight space with ex-husband Jessica Simpson and their families
Ashley Iaconetti
Discussed parenting stress while filming reality TV; expressed feeling on verge of mental breakdown
Jared Haibon
Husband of Ashley Iaconetti; criticized for spending 30+ hours weekly on unprofitable coffee shop venture
Ben Higgins
Co-hosts podcast with Ashley Iaconetti; mentioned as spouse of podcast host
Rosie
Engaged in physical altercation with Kelsey over siren prank; pushed her out of house
Kelsey
Involved in physical fight with Rosie; wore 'slam pig' sash in subsequent scene as retaliation
Alicia
Rhode Island cast member; discussed for car-related humor and home life storylines
Jackson-Claude
Co-host of The Toast podcast; discusses celebrity news and reality TV
Gwyneth Paltrow
Starring in film adaptation of 'Strangers' by Bell Bird about dissolution of marriage
Bell Bird
Author of 'Strangers' memoir about marriage dissolution; book being adapted for film
Babe Paley
Grandmother of Bell Bird; married to CBS founder; referenced as American royalty
Charlie Rose
Referenced as long-term boyfriend of Bell Bird's mother in memoir discussion
Travis
Discussed in context of dating Olivia Pontin; maintains privacy despite public sightings
Quotes
"I'm making an announcement at three o'clock. Will they? Won't they? But they probably asked him because they liked to like, you know, taunt him and he's like, yeah, I am."
Host discussing Aaron Rodgers' retirement announcement•Mid-episode
"She revealed the amount of money that she's making on brand deals in a year. She has raked in over $20 million per year. Thanks to her lucrative influencer contracts."
Host discussing Bethany Frankel•Mid-episode
"I'm not that comfortable with it just because it'll make people mad at me. Yeah, right. I believe that people shouldn't work for free. I don't believe in anybody working for free."
Bethany Frankel (quoted)•Mid-episode
"It's been a crazy couple of weeks for both of them, and she felt on the verge of a mental breakdown. She said it's really hard to be a parent while going through all of this."
Host discussing Ashley Iaconetti•Late-episode
"At this point, you're actually just like neglecting your family. It's worse than being a deadbeat because you're actually taking away time."
Host criticizing Jared Haibon's coffee shop venture•Late-episode
Full Transcript
Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson-Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. I hope everybody's having an amazing day. Just seriously amazing. Amazing day of Thursdays. Speaking of amazing. Oh, that's so sweet. It's a girl who looks just amazing. Oh my gosh, thank you. What are you looking at? Nothing. Yes, you did. What'd you look at? I literally did. You looked at my shoulder, my shirt, you know what I'm sure? What'd you look at? I didn't look at anything. Yes, you did. I was really focused on myself because I was like, do I mention the fact that I'm wearing a bunch of days in a row? Do I mention it or do I not? If I looked at you like this, what would you do? Okay, maybe I would question you, but if I did that, just know maybe something's wrong with my eye because I don't know what that was. So now she looks like an issue and I feel bad for making fun of her. No, no, I literally didn't look at anything. I promise you. I'd say it. I'd say what's on my heart. I have something so crazy to tell you that I have been dying. No, I'm being dead serious. Okay, I'm really excited. I didn't call you yesterday. Let me drink first. I don't spit out my water. I didn't call you yesterday. I didn't tell you last night. I didn't tell you while we sat here for 10 minutes while we dilly-dallyed for the show because I wanted to tell you live and in living color that last night I did the craziest thing. You started Copper's Bell burden. I started Copper's Bell burden. I read about 100 pages. Okay, you're in. Ben finished remarkably bright creatures. Oh my God, he loved it so much. I know it was like a long thing, but I feel so. The whole point of this when you were talking about it was because I chose a random book for my husband. He doesn't read. I know his interests. I tried to gauge if he would like the book. He loved it. So things I did that I got to pick another one, which will be hard. Mm-hmm. But we both read last night so much error because I spent I was so productive yesterday. Like we did Maj and while I was devastated, I finally answered emails for the past like month. I watched all of my programs. I'm caught up on Rory. So I had time to start strangers Bell burden. I'm taking a stab at my contemplate. And let me tell you, obviously, I don't know where the book goes, but like I'm in it now. It hooks you from the beginning. Absolutely. Because the beginning starts in the middle. And I just want to say if I ever see her husband out in the streets, oh, it's on fucking site. What a little shit. Now I wanted to refrain from Googling because I'm dying to know who he actually is. Oh, I never Googled him. Oh, I'm dying to know. I think he's just a business man. Like you don't know him. Well, I just want to look up pictures and stuff. Okay. But I don't want to spoil anything for the book because she told us what happened during COVID and now we're getting her life story. Which I could live a little bit without like so much deep. I don't need to know about like your parents divorce and then then both respective new marriages like. Except for the dad's wife because she's like a big part of Bell's life. Yeah, like more so than her mom. Except that her mom's boyfriend when she talks about like the boyfriend, it's Charlie Rose. Oh, I'm not there yet. No, no, no, she doesn't say, but like she, what she references her mom's boyfriend a couple times. One who like came to live with them for a few years. They got married and she liked him for one year and she loved him. And then her long term boyfriend who she ended up being with forever is Charlie Rose. Well, that's the interesting thing about this random woman is like her roots are rooted in like aristocracy, American royalty, academics. Like she's really like she's really a socialite. She like her grandmother was Babe Paley who was married to the founder of CBS. Everyone is just like moneyed and right. And I don't know where it goes, but I imagine like her prenup ruins her life. Because you got to the part where she they found the prenup, but where she was being a dumb bitch. Where she ignored legal advice. Where she ignored legal advice. But the crazy thing is like it can happen to like a story generational wealth woman. It can literally happen to anyone. So I plan on finishing it throughout the weekend, but yeah, I'm a woman of my word. I started Copper's Bell Bird and until you're liking it. Oh, yeah. Okay, it grips you immediately and it's a short book. That's my queen right there. Like don't people think like in order for your book to be taken seriously. It has to be long. Look at Copper's Bell Bird. Yeah. And for anybody who knows doesn't know what book we're actually talking about. It's called Strangers by Bell Bird. And it's like what everyone's talking about. They're making it into movies starring Gwen the Paltrow. By the way, she's so Gwyneth. Yeah, it's a true story, this woman's story about the dissolution of her marriage, which happens in the first minute. So that's not a spoiler. Yeah, right. Which I appreciate. That's the first thing. The second thing is I did something else crazy yesterday. I just sort of like took control of my own life and I went to see a chiropractor because I'd heard, you know, I'm looking for alternate treatments from my thumb. Yeah. And I've heard that there are a couple of, you know, freaky deaky alternative methods, you know, acupuncture. And I've heard that chiropractor might work. There's like this method where they stimulate blood flow. So I just made an appointment with some random guy and I went. I didn't realize I was also making an appointment at a place that's also part physical therapy. And so obviously I was feeling triggered walking in the door. My pants like sort of fell down on their own. It was great to be back and like. But it wasn't Frank. No, it wasn't Frank. But like what is physical therapist that they're all handsome? Like I was just like a really handsome like nothing. You know, not like a model, but like a dad. And he was just like a handsome guy. Well, maybe it's like you if you're into physical therapy or into the wellness and you keep up with yourself, you know, you're not going to be like a slob. Yeah. Thankfully, this one was just my thumb and I have to take any clothes off. But I did feel a little bit of tingling in my thumb while I was reading copper's bulb burden. That's good. So it was working. He said, don't expect magic overnight. But like, of course I have to come back. I'm going back on Friday for like a couple of sessions. I can't. I can't even think about your thumb. Like you just want to say it like looks kind of better. It does. It does. Yeah. Keep going. I really just don't want to get surgery. I'll try anything. That's great. Do not have to get surgery. And then the third thing I wanted to tell you something that my husband did that honestly made me feel so weird and I just need to like speak. You think it's going to make me feel weird? Yeah. So Ben got a teeth cleaning yesterday, which is like for some reason. I'm scared because we're cooking together today. No, no, it's not like that. Okay. Like he did something socially weird. Like I kind of wanted to smack him more. Not gross. Ben got a teeth cleaning here yesterday. And like for some reason whenever Ben and I are here, we go to the dentist. One of our like good friends who lives here. It's true. We're like always like, Hey, Mark, can we go to whatever? Ben was having like a gum issue and then they were like, you also need a cleaning. So he went for a cleaning at 8am yesterday and he called me after he was like, the cleaning. Of course they upsold him on a $75 electric toothbrush and he was like, it was a really good cleaning. So I tipped the hygienist. He was like, wait, what? He was like, yeah, I gave her $50. I was like, what? He was like, she did a really good job. And I'm like, that's inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It is crazy. He's so weird. That's crazy. I mean, I'm sure she was grateful for it, but also just the idea of like money changing hands by like a hygienist. Money so dirty. Money so dirty. Physically dirty. Yeah. Not like. Not conceptually. We love money. We love money. We love more. Yeah. I thought it was so weird and I guess he didn't think it was weird until I was like, are you okay? And then I think I like gave him a bit about it, but like that's really weird, right? Yeah. And also it's just like, it's ex-for the rest of us because now he's like setting the impossible standard and we have to be tipping everywhere we go. I know like as if tipping culture hasn't already gotten out of control, now we have to tip our medical professional. I don't think so, honey. No. No. Not with the insurance system as broken as it is. They're like, so you know, like your pediatrician is going to have an iPad that they flip around. Yeah. How crazy. He's so weird. That's been so crazy. That is. I don't even know where, like seriously where he came from. He's in an omelette wrapped in a riddle and cash. Watch Rory last night. Watch Rory. That was my catch up. I only had one episode. Me too. Which was like so manageable when I finished. I was like, what should I do? Yes. So. I did admin. Classic. We have a story. Yeah. We'll talk about it at the end of the show and also like we can't talk about the top of the show every day. Yeah. That's how we annoy people. Yeah. And we hate to do that. We do. And we only do it when we have to slalom West Mandval. Yeah. So this is not urgent. So we're going to stop talking about it any minute now. Now. Any minute now. And then other than that, today's a major day. I can't believe you haven't mentioned the majorness of the day. Yes. That's right. My angel boy turned one today yesterday, not yesterday. One year ago today, I became a mama. Now I will say it's kind of a terrible day. I feel like this overwhelming sense of like sadness and dread. And I know that's like not what I'm supposed to be feeling. So I need to just like snap out of it. I'm not going to cry at all night. Obviously picked him up out of his crib in the middle of the night because I was just like missing him. And we're having like a little party barbecue today. So it's going to be great. I'm just like not in the mood. Like I want, where's my baby? Yeah. You're wanting a baby. Where's the baby? Yeah. No one, he's entering like his, his medium boy era. This is not going to work for me. Yeah. And like every time I say that to Ben, he's like, I know what he's just trying to make me feel better. But he's still wondering. He was like, no, it's a blessing. Of course. Obviously it's a blessing. Like that. I don't have to say that because obviously, but he's just like, he won't like give into my sadness, which is fine. No, but it's also, it's not even just that Ruby's turning one. It's like, it's your first year of motherhood. Like it's about you and I do feel like for first birthdays, especially because the baby's like, don't remember them. Like it really is more about the mother. You know, so today we're celebrating you. Absolutely. This feels like more special than my birthday. Yeah. Yeah. Angel. So cute. I'm so excited for the party. Me too. Like it's going to be great. It's all good. Of course the Knicks are playing tonight, which like they have to win for Rachel. Okay. So it's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. Yeah. But just major, major milestone, major milestone, major depressive episode incoming. Such as life. But then like once you process that, like it's all very exciting. You know what I mean? No, no, no, no, like, like because then you get to like, it's a whole new world. No. No, it's good. It's good. It's good. Okay. Let's get into the story so we can talk about our favorite thing about Island. Okay. Yeah. Without further ado dot, do dot, do it is time for the fast five stories that you dot, do need to know. And the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by skims. Skims just constantly reads our mind when it comes to new product launches. I've actually just started replacing a bunch of underwear because like underwear is not meant to last you forever. I just want to say through different stages of life, you need different kinds. 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So glad I got to highlight it and show you a live demo. Our first story, Kylie Jenner makes a rare comment about her man's Timothy. She's thirsting over her boyfriend in a comment section on page six's TikTok. So page six posted a video of Timothy Chalamet walking into the next game like in slow mo, like very parjee. And she commented, daddy. And then deleted. Because then I saw this, I was like, I love this. And then I was scrolling TikTok and I actually got served organically the video. And I went to the comments and first of all, the top comment was Victoria Kylie's friend writing daddy. Like obviously replacing her comment because then all the other comments were like me looking for Kylie's comment. Like, did she delete it? And that does raise something that I'm curious about in their relationship. There's obviously a very big sense of privacy in their relationship. They don't talk about each other really. They do all this stuff, but they're very much like off limits. They've been dating for a very long time, but we have to like act like they're not dating. She never posted him on her Instagram. He doesn't post her. It's only like ideas of him or whatever. And it's like, where is this coming from? Like which one of them is pushing for this? Because it bothers me. Because when celebrities are private, sometimes it's just like earnest. And it's sweet and they just want privacy. But I feel like a lot of times, you know, people are having that conversation now about Joe Burrow. He's been dating that girl, Olivia Pontin, for like literally two years now. They get spotted out all the time together, but never physically together. He makes like her get out of the car first and everybody's like, why is she accepting? It's actually so disrespectful. At least Kylie and Timothy, like they're always together. But like sometimes now even in hindsight with like Taylor and Joe, it's like, what are you hiding so much? No, when it's like, what's the big deal if we see a picture of Joe and Olivia walking into a restaurant together? Like what's the big deal? That's your girlfriend. Like I understand in the beginning of a relationship, you want privacy because you don't want outside influences. And for like a for a while in a relationship, you don't need, you are always walking on eggshells, right? To, you know, like until you're really settled and like that's your person and like you can conquer things together. But Kylie and Timothy are settled. They do everything together. So like what's with this insistence on like no social media together or like really just like going all the way in on things that are already happening? I do wonder like whose camp it's coming from. Like I could see Kylie wanting it just because like maybe things didn't work out with Travis the way that she had hoped and maybe she regrets like having been so public. Or Timothy, like I don't really know Timothy to have been in a long-term relationship before this. So like maybe this is how he does stuff. But you can't really have that expectation when you're dating a Jen or Kardashian. No, and it's like we're all the we're at 98% of like exposure on their relationship. Like what's with the last 2% like why are you holding out? It's like it's silly. And the last 2% is really just social media. Yeah. Because they go to red carpets together. And they are paparazzi together all the time. And interviews I would say. No one really asks. Did they reference each other as like boyfriends? They would say like I have a boyfriend or she like he said like to my partner. Can you cut he had the nerve to ask her like about a movie of Timothy's. Yeah. But no, she doesn't like talk about her relationship nor does he. And it's like just look at Taylor and Travis. Just jump in. I know. I know. But I do think like you could yeah look at Taylor and Travis and then you could also say look at somebody else and like it goes terribly wrong. Yeah. They give us stuff so I can't be ungrateful. They've been together for over 2 years. At this point if they don't work out it's not because they shared too much on social media. Yeah. But maybe they think like now that they share like it'll be a curse. Yeah. I guess. But also so she commented daddy and then deleted it. I didn't. I did not see it. Well, it's like people have screenshots of it. Yeah, of course. No, no, I'm not saying it never existed. I'm saying like maybe she like regretted or a huge like called her almost like screaming her. I don't think I think he loves her and I think to I think she really is in control, especially with like the media narrative, especially ever since Bella ballerina gate, you know, he can't get involved. Yeah. I don't feel annoyed. I agree. But it's not like they gave us nothing for a while. They gave us genuinely nothing. I feel like these days, especially with like the next game and stuff, we get a lot. We do and we get red carpets and it's okay. I just I wonder what's holding them back from like sharing and social media is their terms. Right. Like they get red carpet pictures taking them next pictures. They don't get to control how like they look or like if someone's making a face where it looks like they don't like the other. But like on social media, you get to put out exactly what you want and like show us only what you want. I don't know why she wouldn't want to do that. Even going to the Nick game is actually like so personal because you're literally being watched by it's a three hour live stream of your relationship. Lip reading. Like I somebody I watched a lip reader reading their conversation where he was like, yeah, I really want to try that. Like it's actually so invasive, more so than a carousel. And you know, like he's in posting pictures in Turks and Kankos. She's person like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're just like we're greedy because like they do give us a decent amount. But I wonder why I had accepted the fact that we're not going to do that. I'm just curious like why they have this hard stop. Like what this one thing they want to keep for themselves, like, which is what like I'm not sure. Sure stuff themselves that they take like, I don't know. And Timothy's actually like hella active on Instagram. I only recently followed him because that's my friend's boyfriend. I didn't even know he had Instagram. Yeah. No. And he like posted a mirror picture this morning, like of his outfit. He was wearing like huge basketball shorts, like all the way down to his. Stories or you want to say sure. I didn't know that he included that. Stories. No, he did a story. Like, and I didn't feel like it was the first one I'd ever seen. Timothy. Yeah. He like pretty his 20 million followers. Here, look, Maripic 14 hours ago. And wait, he also has one more story. He's riding a scooter. Okay. That's crazy that he does stories. He's just like a little Jewish kid from New York. You know, yeah. Kylie loves him. Highly convert. Kind of. Highly convert. Kylie the convert. That's what we need. You know, even though, you know, Scott Disick and his kids do carry the Jewish torch in the Kardashians. The Kardashians are literally the United Nations. Like they have got it all covered. But, you know, always good to have more juice. Kylie would be. Kylie would be such a proud sheath. Yeah, she would really be great. Maybe that's what's holding it all up. I just want to let you guys know, like, it's not the craziest thing if Kylie Jenner ever actually converted to Judaism. Any denomination, reform, because every... I don't know if I would be okay. I actually don't think I would recover. That would be the craziest thing. Yeah. Like, I don't want to get too excited. Imagine she's like making collas, having Jake Sheen over for Shabbat. I'm throwing up. I'm literally throwing up. And like maybe like. Making a cougal. She can like read the Haftourette, Mason's Bar Mitzvah or something. Even though I think Mason already had his Bar Mitzvah. Yeah, he did. The next one, Rain. Penelope. No, she'll do like one of the seven blessings. At their wedding. Yeah. That's really beautiful. I don't want to get too excited. Of course, I actually just didn't realize till this very moment that that was even like a remote possibility. It's not that crazy. Yeah, I just want her to leave up her comment that said, Daddy. That's really what I wanted. Right. Small scale, that. Big scale, Judaism. Conversion. I know a great, I know a great rabbi. I'm sure Timothy does too. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Is Judaism important to Timothy? I don't get the sense. Although I do think he actually, I don't know, with Marty Supreme, like, that was like a very low-reside Jewish story. I do feel like. Bob Dylan. Right. Actually. He's a Jew. I do feel like he identifies largely as a Jew. I don't know in practice how much he's like lighting candles or making kiddish and I don't know. And it's his mother who's Jewish? Yes. I think both. And he's close with it. No, Chalamet. They're French. So hold on. I looked this up once. Timothy Chalamet, parents Jewish. Like if you're, this is like so classic, like Googling who's, his mother is Jewish, his father is not. But that's all you need, your mother to be Jewish. And he's close with his mother. Yeah. I just think it's, it's not the craziest thing. Oh my God. Wow. Oh my God. I didn't really think of that it was possible. I know. And now that you do, like, are you able to think of anything else? No. Then, then Kylie as the Chavis Malika? No, I can't. And Kylie just wearing like a Shadal overhead to go to synagogue? Uh-huh. Even though the Kardashians, they don't talk about it a lot, but like they're like a deeply religious family. Spiritual. Spiritual, yeah. Like I think Kylie's really, because the thing about Judaism is like we have a lot going for us. One thing we don't really have going for us is like aesthetics. Like Easter, like I feel like the Kardashians love the aesthetics of religion too and they're always like leaning in. They love the cross. Yeah, they do. I get to Kylie rocking like a big star of David Necklace. Yeah. I just don't think like she'd be willing to give up Christmas. Yeah. I think it would be interfaith, but Timothy's used to interfaith because his parents are interfaith. Hanukkah Bush. His parents are interfaith. So I think it would, I don't think he would make her convert because his parents didn't convert. Kylie, if you are even really interested in converting or you've already begun the process, leave us a little hint on your Instagram stories because I know you like it. Post a candle in some kind of a pot. Oh, that's really good. Yeah, that's beautiful. Could be you know like a diptychia, any sort of flame. Yeah, any sort of a bonfire. Yeah, a fire candle. Yeah, we need a flame because she does like when we ask her to do this, she does sort of extrapolate. Yeah, because she can be too obvious. I think it would be a bonfire. Like now we've called her out on it. So she'll be creative. Like, yeah, she will stovetop or something. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I don't want to take all her ideas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Candle flame. Flamme. Are you ready for our next story? Timothy Flamme. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers announces he's retiring after the upcoming NFL season. Oh, so we still have one more. Is he on the Jets? He's on the Steelers. After his upcoming 22nd season, wow, in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers plans to hang up his cleats. The longtime quarterback announced that he will retire at the end of the 26th season, finishing out his future Hall of Fame career with the Steelers. He shared the news during a press conference at the practice facility. He was asked if this would be his final season simply saying, yes, this is it. Wow, I love that. Very simple. Athletes love to be drama. Yeah, they're like, I'm making an announcement at three o'clock. Will they? Won't they? But they probably asked him because they liked to like, you know, taunt him and he's like, yeah, I am. Great. No big ceremony. Well, bye. I feel bad for him because this is not, I mean, maybe the Steelers were one of the Super Bowl this year. I hope they make it like decently far. I hope he has a good season to like finish out his career because like. It's a pretty bad way to go out like the whole Jets thing. Why did he leave the Packers? Was there drama there? Oh, yeah, they hired another quarterback when he needed other players like to build around him and they're investing in like new new future placement. Yeah, that's what I think happened. So I guess that's also a bad way to go out. So he thought maybe the Jets could be his but like the Jets and I say this is a Jets family. It takes it's gonna take a lot more than Aaron Rodgers, you know, and then of course day one game one, he gets injured. So this is why I actually have a little bit of sympathy for like Tom Brady. It is really hard to time your retirement perfectly, although Tom Brady like literally won several Super Bowls and each time like he had the opportunity to retire peacefully and he wouldn't. So like that's not a perfect example, but I do think it's really hard to time you. It's like, well, if I get one more, I can go out better than now and actually it could be worse. That's not what Aaron Rodgers. So you know what? I guess I'm silently rooting for the Steelers this season. Like, yeah, he's not like embarrassed. No, he's like so prideful. Yeah. And he's so like dedicated to the game in the 22 years like he deserves a playoff, a better ending. Yeah. I think it's also like currently what we're seeing with Travvie. He doesn't know how to go out. Okay. But like, but he does still have a few years technically in him. But correct me if I'm wrong. Like Travis is not Aaron Rodgers. No. Okay. Like Aaron Rodgers led a whole franchise successfully for like a decade. Yeah. Travis is a great player on the team. Right. Travis is one of the best head ends. Aaron's one of the best quarterbacks, but I do think like Quarterback is like kind of more impactful. Quarterback is a higher tier of Quarterback. Greater than. Yeah. Greater than all. They're the leader. It's like score the points. No, no, but they're the leader of the team. The captain. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. So I miss when we talk about football. Me too. We're so far out, but We're so far out. We could talk about baseball. We could. We talk about basketball. Oh, right. We're talking about basketball. Go next. We talk about Gacka. Yeah. Gacka. Yeah. That's basketball, guys. That's what Charlie used to call basketball when he was small. And I'm like, that's also what he used to call blueberries. Yeah. Well, because he thought they looked like basketball. Gacka. Literally genius. Genius. Genius. Gacka. Gacka. Oh, and you're entering that day soon. Yes. Yes. Of cute words. Yes. No, no, it's all good. Like what is he going to call basketball? Probably what his big cousins call it. Gacka. Gacka. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Which is one of our favorite topics, two of our favorite topics. Influencer news and Bethany Frankel. Bethany Frankel reveals the astronomical amount she makes a year in brand deals. So Bethany Frankel is on Emma Greed's podcast called Expire, and she's really spilling the tea and giving the exclusive. And I also feel like there, this is an interesting like point in Bethany's career, because she's always kind of been this like, I don't want to say polarizing, but just like lightning rod type of, and now I feel like she's really entered into like polarizing figure territory because Emma Greed like had to make a tick tock. She posted a trailer being like, my next guest on Aspire, Bethany, the little clips exciting, drumming up excitement. And then Emma Greed was like, I just wanted to hop on here. I'm getting so much pushback. People telling me to like sack the episode, like not release it. Emma's like, I would never do that. That's just bad business. Like everyone's talking about my episode. Why would I not release it? I just, it must have been like a perfect storm of like a few things. It's kind of the perfect storm, like the day after Newgate. Yeah, right. Shoegate. It's just, she really has become this like polarizing person. Yeah, but like acting like the act when, you know, like a politician goes on something. But it's like really not real because it's like Emma Greed posted on tick tock, the clip of the podcast. And yes, tick tock is where like the, the shoe gate haters live. And so they all occupied the comments, but like, that's not the real world. No, and I'm sure Bethany's episode of this podcast is probably one of the better performing episodes. Yeah. So I don't, I think, yes, she's polarizing on tick tock. And I think she's been that way for a very long time since she started doing these reviews. And like tick tock is the sort of Gen Z platform. And like, first of all, Bethany is not beloved by Gen Z. Like she is who she is because of like the millennials and honestly the women her age like from Bravo and stuff. But like, yeah, they would hate Bethany because Bethany like shares hard truths and Bethany's like no bullshit and like not opposite Gen Z being like, this is the safe space. Your feelings are valid. Like not with Bethany. Yeah. So I get why, you know, why she's considered maybe that on tick tock. Yeah. That's also like where she has success. So like, yeah, no, and she thrives there. And that's an all of that discourse like contributes to her success. Yeah. So she revealed the amount of money that she's making on Brandeels in a year. She has raked in over $20 million per year. Thanks to her lucrative influencer contracts. So she told Emma greed, it's tens of millions of dollars. This is not including my other businesses, my real estate, my licensing. We're talking like 20 plus million dollars. Well, when she was here on the toast, I asked her like skinny girl business, you know, cover of Forbes influence her. Like what's the difference? And she said, like my best day in the cover of Forbes era doesn't even come close. So what I'm doing now. Yeah. She said, I'm not that comfortable with it just because it'll make people mad at me. Yeah, right. I believe that people shouldn't work for free interns. I pay. I don't believe in anybody working for free. And if you're moving product and you're affecting an outcome, honestly, then I believe you should be compensated. So I don't feel guilty about it. She adds that the product she promotes are only one she truly believes in and uses. I'm very trusted and partners come to me for their marketing budgets. Like multi-billion dollar companies come to me to figure out how they're going to spend. She explained also that she can talk about anything she wants, which is something brands look for. Also very true. A lot of people have a niche and it's like, well, we're going to ask you to promote our beauty product. It's not our food or other people. You do food. She does food. She does beauty. She does fashion. She does lifestyle. Yeah. Any product a human would use, Bethany would use it. It's true. She is really versatile. She also said something interesting that I thought was cool, being like she works with businesses on multiple scales. Like obviously one of her biggest partners is L'Oreal and her contract with them is like several million dollars a year. But if there's a brand that came to her with a budget, like she makes the budget work no matter what. If it's a small budget or a big budget and that's why she says she's making so much money is because like she's able to do multi-million and also like a story. She has a newsletter and it's just her, the big list, whatever. And I thought that was really smart because I think a lot of times when you're at that level, like if the budget doesn't match your rate, buy. Yeah. But she makes it work and she never turns anything down. If it's like a brand that she wants to work with and they have budget. Yeah. Which I thought was cool. People just like can't take Bethany. She's just a force. And I don't understand it. I love it. It's inspiring by the way. She's like, she's so magnetic. Yeah. Even when she was on the toast. We literally watched the episode three times. We did. And I don't know what the factor is about her that like keeps people glued. Maybe it's because like you don't know what she's going to say. That's, you know, I don't want to watch someone who I know what's coming out of their mouth and it's boring and it's lukewarm or it's outrageous just for outrageous sake. Like, I don't know. She just like has something that's just like so gripping. She is smart too. So like, well, I think a lot of the things that she says is not like what the, what everyone's saying. She, she is a person who you want to hear what she has to say because she, like her story is very impressive in terms of how she grew up. And now like literally having a second peak. So late, not late, but like later on in her career, I think it's inspiring to a lot of women her age and also like women our age. Like, yeah, the best is yet to come. Yeah. She mentioned that like in her interview with Emma, like about how moms and like older women like appreciate that she's in this space. She's on sports illustrated. Like we haven't been forgotten. She's like, she's, people are not understanding what it is because it's strange that I walk sports illustrated with 25 year olds. Right. There's nobody my age there, but it's not like they're giving me the token grandma role. It's true. It's landing because moms are saying thank you for not disqualifying us as a group. I could be aliening moms, but I'm not. I think also what rubs people the wrong way about Bethany is like maybe someone in her position like would act coy or she's very like proud and sure of herself. So I think that like a lot of the things like that I think women are like supposed to say, oh, it's like such an honor. It's like, no, yeah, look at me. I'm amazing. And so I think people are put off by like her refusal to act shy or coy or just she's like very matter of fact about her accomplishments. And I think that that's just not what people are used to. Yeah. Also, I guess it's like when that those things come with age sometimes like wisdom and confidence and having confidence in your wisdom. And so like we don't have a lot of influencers who are sure of themselves. They're all like burgeoning 20 year old crippling insecure and everything someone says to them, they're going to apologize for it because they like feel bad and they don't know who they are. And it's refreshing to like follow someone older who's not hung up with those things. It is refreshing. And it's different. So I think that's part of why it rubs people the wrong way. But there's that's what we encourage each other to do, like to be confident. But that's why it works, I think. Yeah. And I think that's also why her audience is skews a little bit more older because the older you get, the more you appreciate that. Whereas I think like when you're younger, you resent it and like think it's like cringey. I don't know. I feel like she's not like I do feel like Gen Z is there. They're paying attention like they're paying attention. Yeah. And even though she's not like their comfort, I feel like everyone likes a little bit of like. Yeah, like beaming to me. Yeah. She's just like she has haters like. Like everyone. Yeah. You know. So that was interesting. Yeah. Listen to the episode. Our next story, Jessica Simpson reveals why she was sitting apart from her kids on her flight to Hawaii. Reveals. Like what's a kid shouldn't sit in first class like sorry, I'm with her. So Jessica Simpson was talking to photographers at the airport. They asked her about this Nick. Right. Nick was so blowing up her spot. So she set the record trade. She said my mom bought those tickets. It was my mom's treat for us to go to Hawaii. She was then asked whether her kids would have been sitting with her if she had purchased the ticket. She said of course that they would have been with her if it was her trip and she purchased them. And they were in the back with the husband. Yeah. Okay. I love that. Like seriously love. With the estranged husband. I just like hate that she has to explain herself and like even let's say she was her trip and maybe she's like getting flack. So she's like, yeah, if I bought it, like everyone would have been sitting together. Like I think there should be more love. She should be more respected for this. Like I'm sure her kids live a very lavish life. They live in Hidden Hills. They're friends with the Kardashians. Like they're fine. So yeah, like making them sit and coach. Like that's exactly the type of behavior. Like we want our billionaires to instill in their children. So the fact that everyone's making this such a big deal. Like who gives a fuck? It's good. It's also really crazy. There was a fly on my water bottle. He loves the water bottle too. It's also really crazy to me that her and Nick and Vanessa were like stuck in like a confined space for six hours on a flight to Hawaii. Like nightmare fuel. Like that's each other's number one op. She said, yes, I think Jessica for the first time. I think Jessica for Nick and Nick and Vanessa. Jessica for Vanessa. And Vanessa for Jessica and Nick and Vanessa for Jessica. I don't know if Vanessa for Jessica. Your ex husband's wife. Your ex husband. It's not a boyfriend. A husband. I know, but they were seriously teenagers. I'm sorry. That's just so crazy. And so unfortunate. She said that they did all talk and it was really pleasant. And what's so funny is like when Nick and Jessica like split in the book, like two couldn't be worse for each other. Go away. Goodbye. But like they've actually wound up with the same life, right? Like three kids each going to Hawaii. Still working in the industry. Maybe they could have made it work. You know what I mean? Right first and wrong time. It's not like they didn't want different things. That's true. But I also think like. They wanted three kids and to go to Hawaii in 2026. It was never going to work with Nick being in a relationship with somebody who's in his industry on another level. Him and Vanessa like actually are complementary. Yes, those are the things that split them up. But I'm just saying if they like worked past that they like. They could have matured a little bit. Yeah. If they work past that they want, they would have had the same life. I do think yeah, they both go to church a lot. Like sometimes you see two people who divorce and like you can't even imagine how they were ever together. Because this one did that and that one did this and this. But like look, they have the same life. Also like Copper's Bulburt and sometimes you go through a divorce and you become a completely different person. But no, that wasn't the case. They were also really young. Yeah, but I also like couldn't see Jessica hosting Love is Blind. I don't know. I feel like she had to a place in her career where like she might have needed to. No, I don't think that she would be a good host. Oh, me neither. Love is Blind. But Vanessa is a good host. She's a professional host. Yeah. So like she was something. One of those. Yeah. So I don't know how that would have worked. But just saying it's just sometimes funny like that. Like, hey, you actually married the same person. Yeah. And I don't know anything about Jessica's husband except the fact that he's like a former athlete. Like if an alien came down from space and looked at these four people, they wouldn't see a difference. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's beautiful. We're all human. Well, that's why we need to all go to outer space. Absolutely. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Finally, Rory Recap. If it's our fifth and final story, that's brought to you by Crocs. Oh, our Crocs that we're wearing today. I'm wearing mine in two wheel drive today. How cute are these? These are the new ones with the buckle. Not the two wheel drive. I have the buckle as well. Mine are a creamy color. I just want to say I'm obsessed with Crocs like always. I feel like I started wearing them in camp and then like they actually are extremely high fashion. But it is so hot here. And I need shoes that are supportive, but also like you see these holes. I need air to get through. Crocs are great if you're truly suffering in the current season that we're in. Yeah, they're also great for parenting. They're great indoor outdoor shoe, you know, because like I want to wear slippers in the house, but I don't want to wear my slippers outside, but I can wear Crocs in the house and I can wear Crocs outside. 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Do you guys remember like the era of Bachelor, where like every Bachelor person was getting on her radio podcast? And this was like a really popular one, it was such a random pairing. And they've all come and go. But this one's still standing. Yeah, no, I think people really like it. She said that being married, raising kids, and juggling reality TV can be tough. She said it's been a crazy couple of weeks for both of them, and she felt on the verge of a mental breakdown. She said it's really hard to be a parent while going through all of this. And now we can say filming for season two, because they got renewed. Oh, good. Bracing for that filming, I can't do it all myself anymore. I guess she needs like Jared to like stop at the fucking coffee shop. Okay, so I thought that was actually a really interesting part of her scenes, which she did film in her house. I don't know if you saw. Yeah, but and you realized it was the first time we've been there? No, it felt familiar to me. I can't lie. You knew your way around? Yes, not my house, but I know my way around. I thought that conversation was really interesting about how like, Jared quite literally is gone all day, every day, making no money. Like, and it's the money that he could make in a single Instagram post, but he just like refuses to use his energy and his days to do that. I guess he finds it unfulfilling. Yeah, like he wants real work, labor, not social media. And while, while I do actually think that might be admirable, like at a certain point, you got to call it like you spending all the time away from home to bring in no income, just to make yourself feel better. Meanwhile, your wife is then at home making the income and being the parent. That's actually not fair. No, and you don't feel better. You're doing all of this. And you've never been less happy. You're so unhappy. She let you do this so that you would be happy and like lead a fulfilling life because she can understand that like being a social media influencer isn't like what everyone wants. With your days, you want to produce something and give a cup of coffee and it's not making you happy. So like at this point, you're actually just like neglecting your family. It's worse than being a deadbeat because you're actually taking away time. You're taking away money because that's time that she can't spend working on her things. And you see how she like films her ad in like a And the kids have to go hide in the basement. Yeah. And like the friend is filming it and it's like she's doing like imagine what she could do if she had more time and more support and more resources. No, I didn't realize like when I was watching this show that I was going to just hate Jared Hybon, but I hate him. But and she's very supportive, which is something that I really admire about her. But it gets to a point of like enabling. Yeah, absolutely. And this is ridiculous. No, I agree. That was very upsetting. And like when she just laid out the financials that like the coffee shop brings in no money and actually opportunity costs like you're now not at home, not supporting, not helping with the family. We're sourcing an Annie like seriously grow up. And I feel like when you like it's admirable to have hopes and dreams. But when you become a dad, a dad of two, like that sort of goes out the window and logic has to win and reason has to win. And it's like this makes no sense. This is unreasonable. Yeah, at this point, it'd be better if he didn't work at all. Yeah, at least he could be with the kids. Yeah, they wouldn't need that 30 hour week and Annie and she wouldn't be like stressed out. And also like. You know, she also like loves her husband and then like you also never see him. That's also just not. And he's like mad all the time because of this like stressful failing business that like nobody needs him to do. Literally nobody asked for. And the name of the coffee shop is Audrey's and that's her mom's name. Oh, but I don't. Did they name it for her mom? Maybe his mom's name is Audrey too. Like, I don't know. I don't know. And then the meat of the potatoes of the episode was this fight I'd heard a lot about. What I had heard was that like, you know, Rosie ate her up and. Two drops. Yeah, which I do agree with like in terms of the argument like who won. It's not even a question. Kelsey like seriously looked like a loser when she came back in at the end of the fight. And was like, and I did win that pageant. It's like, OK, girl, nobody can hear you like big loser energy. And you know, I've kind of been. I've been turning like I really am team Rosie. And I was happy that she won the fight. But I also feel like she shouldn't have started the fight. Like I knew that the fight started when they were doing the hair thing. And I wasn't sure when I saw Kelsey driving in, I'm like, is this what she's going to blow up at? Or is there something else? Because I actually thought and I think the worst of Kelsey, like when she gave that backhand compliment, I'm like, she didn't mean that. I don't think she's a genuine person. And I actually thought that in that moment, it was like a funny way to just sort of end this dumb little saga between them. And she was kind of making fun of herself, like calling yourself the house police. Like, yeah, you're a loser. You don't even have a house. Like I actually thought it was a good joke and all in good fun. I really did. And I was hoping I was like, oh, please don't let this be the thing that starts a fight because it would be an overreaction. And it was the thing and it was an overreaction. And it was an insane fight. Like with the bag. Oh, and I'm sorry. Rosie just like seriously aided up when she like, Larry shoved her out of the house. And when Kelsey came back to say something, the door was slammed right in her face. Like it was it was brilliantly executed. But I don't think she should have started it. Oh, I feel differently in the sense that I thought what Kelsey did was annoying with the siren. And I would have been annoyed to one, like the loudness and I don't like a siren. That's just like chaotic and actually Rosie's chaotic. So I don't think she's coming from a place of I do have like, do you just disturb my piece? Yeah. But anyways, that would have bothered me. I didn't think it was like a great joke or anything. But I thought Rosie's reaction was so outsized and so trashy. And like you can say get out of my house, get out of my house, get out of my house. But to like push her down the stairs out the door, calling her these nasty things. And it's like, we get it. She's a sugar baby. Like she gets money from men. She's never pretended like she's not. Like it's just, I thought it was so outsized. It was like a level 100 reaction or something that was like a dispute, you know. And Rosie was planning on getting in on the joke again about the house because she had the tape measure and shit out. She was ready to rehash it and joke about it. Driving up. I was like, this can't be the thing that starts the fight because she also has her own little jab. It was perfect. And they should have just ended it and started off on a fresh. And now obviously we're like so never coming back from this. But I couldn't believe that like that's what set her off. And the way that Rosie behaved. I understand why she was mad and wanted to be in a fight and get this girl out of her house. Because I actually understand that because I didn't like the siren and everything. And then this person's in your house. But the way that she handled herself, for me, I felt like I was watching a psychopath. Yeah. I felt like that was psychopathic. I liked it. And so outsized to like just trying to get someone out of your house when like, yeah, they have offended you in your home. Good day, sir. Very disrespectful. But like that it got like physical and just so nasty. And I don't know what slam pig is, but like it was just. She talked about it on what you have inside. It's like a road. First of all, it sounds like a slur. It's like a road. And people are like, oh my gosh, slam pig, like best sound bite ever. You know, people are eating this up. I saw it too. Like, oh, and she really, she told her, I don't know. It just, it. I wish the punishment fit the crime. I agree. Because then I could be like excited with everyone. But like, I actually, funnily enough, thought it was all in earnest. And I think that like if Rosie had just taken it like a champ, that it would have been the perfect way to end this pretty moronic fight. Now it's like a big thing. Yeah. And I guess next week, it reminded me of Kenya Moore haircare. Do you remember when I forget who, oh, maybe it was Marlowe had a launch for her haircare brand, but like, Kenya already. That was bad. It was so evil what Kenya did. She like brought a marching band into the event. I don't think what Rosie did was evil. I just, I wouldn't find it funny personally. And I would find it annoying. I would find it annoying. And I would say as much, but like I wouldn't get into a physical altercation and like use all my curse words in this moment. I have to imagine just like being devil's advocate that like she was like, I feel like how everyone treated her at the mansion more so required this level of like self defense. And so maybe it was just really bubbled up and like she's just sort of been piled on a little bit. And so like it was like an explosion. It wasn't about this in particular. But I do wish she was like a little bit more measured because it really this wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah. Next week, they all are at a bar or something and Rosie comes in wearing a sash that says. Kelsey does. Kelsey does. Because Kelsey's the pageant queen. No, I thought Rosie came in wearing a sash that says slam pig. No, I'm pretty sure it's Kelsey. Please find out. Please find out. I thought it was Rosie and I was like, that's so fucking mean. No. Okay. I need to know right now. Sash, hold on. I, you know what? I could pull it up on my peacock, the trailer. Yeah. I'm almost a hundred percent sure it was Kelsey like her way of giving it a little bit back. Hold on. I have the show on my iPad. Perfect. Yeah. Oh, no, this is not the episode. It's like at the very, very end. It's like the. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Hold on. Wait, I have to go. That'd be really crazy if it was Rosie. I don't think it is. Do you agree? It would be so crazy. Yeah, of course. I didn't. I don't even think that it could be. Okay. I think that it is. But wait, but wait. Let's watch the trail. Let's watch the trailer. Okay. Here they're fighting. It was really crazy. Like it's funny. They all look so much alike. I know who it is. Okay. Kelsey. Yeah. Wait. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, thank God. Yeah, it's Kelsey, which is like a good way to like, you know, because if someone came in, if it was Rosie, I would say that was like the the most easiest thing. Yeah. Okay. That's the easiest thing. Better. So I guess that's now in our rotation on Sundays. I'm going to keep up with it now. I'm fully caught up. Hopefully I'll be done with Popper's Bell Bird. And another real housewife's Beverly Hills is over. Is anything on on Thursdays? Because I have to watch the next night. I don't know. But the other thing I want to talk about is Alicia driving. You mean your autobiography? You never ran over a woman. When she was like, that bridge is scary. Like, yeah, bridges are scary. I thought that was so funny. I know people like love her because she's like just like silly and fracas. And I think she's very Rhode Island. Like she's the embodiment of the culture. Of a typical Rhode Island woman. Yeah. And like not everything is for me, but I actually, she does make me chuckle. She does make me chuckle too. Although I think a lot of her shtick is annoying. Like the doll thing. Well, that's not what I'm talking about. The car thing is funny and like her home life is very interesting. Like it makes for good TV. It's crazy that like she has a car seat in the back of her car. I know. And she's not like married or on the deed of her house. No, but like that she has a child that's young enough to be in a car seat. Crazy. I like just don't. So like I think of Ashley as like young mom. Yeah, right, right, right, right, right. But like she has a car seat child as well and she can't drive her to dance. Oh, and then the proof with Ruehla's husband. Joellen found the proof. Yeah. Yeah. And then Alicia's in her house. Like that actually was really weird. Oh, and then he's such a dumbass. Like, oh, I have to go to the bathroom. Sorry guys, work call. Wait, but also everything he was saying at that dinner was worse than the next thing. When he said that he literally like drugged her into dating him. Oh, and that he's like a surgeon and he can't eat steak because of the smell of blood. Like that was disgusting. Everything he was saying was so crazy. And he's a freak. I take Osambic and then I lose muscle. So I take a steroid. Testosterone. Yeah. Yeah. Freak. Seriously. He was being crazy. He should have his medical license revoked just from that scene alone. No, it was so crazy. And then saying that he was like, like, you know, doubling her drinks when they hit. Oh, right. Freak. Like seriously? Like actually maybe I'm not. Like actually maybe one of the craziest house husbands we've ever met. Yes. And I'm barely paying attention to him. And it's everything I hear is worse than the next. And I know every time he films, he's like, okay, I'm gonna just like fix what I did last week and he always makes it worse. I actually cannot wait for like the Brian. Whatever's like happening in real time for us to like understand. Yeah. So that is our show tomorrow's our last show of the week. It'll be great. And thanks so much for listening to the show. It's a Monday morning show. We do a little of the fast fast stories. You need to know your Monday to Friday YouTube. If you're watching this on YouTube, please stop by the top of your thumbs up. We're also going to do the podcast every time I do the outro, like think about all the funny things we said. Yeah, what's making you laugh right now? Like Brian. Brian. We're going to listen to podcast finance. If I start via a video signing in weekly town to be our hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow. Love you.