Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 86: Live at the Enmore Theatre

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And we named it that because we are in Sydney, Australia. this was one of the greatest live shows we have ever done. I'm just going to say it. The episode originally came out September 14th, 2017. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 86. What's up, Sydney? We finally got that right. We finally did it right. Tonight's the night. Oh, shit, guys. What's up? What's been up with you guys lately? How was your weekend? How's everything going with you? It's so exciting to be here. Have you ever had every single one of your triggers triggered at one time? Because I am. I'm going to start this show by saying, this is my favorite murder, a true crime podcast. that's that's also a comedy podcast which is a difficult and complex combination yeah and they're they're in they're weaved together and you simply must trust us that we're good people yeah that's just for the newbies that's just for the people who are forced here or who saw something in the newspaper and they were like let's roll the dice yeah i love podcasts this american life love that podcast let's go to this one oh my god mark maron that guy's great i'll go to a pot live podcast yes let's see what happens uh so we we wanted to tell you guys what happened last night just to kind of address it you know because um at this point the rumors are so insane it's it's a little it's a little bit crazy georgia looked on the way over here georgia looked her phone she goes oh now they're saying i walked off stage it's just like hold on what is happening i didn't i wanted to uh never wanted to more in my life uh we started the show by talking about plucking chin hairs as you do i mean who doesn't do that again comedy true crime comedy live podcast um and then karen did a great light-hearted murder that's how i do it such a thing and then i didn't I was doing this thing where like I did uh I did Jill Marr the night before yep that's exactly what happened yeah yeah yeah so I was like well this time I'm gonna go in a different direction oh let me just stop you by saying that uh anyone again who it might be new um she did Jill Marr and when we did our meet and greet which is where we get a lot of feedback and we love to hear feedback and people tell us what they think every single person was like i was so scared that you were doing that and you did it great and it it's obviously no no no it's okay but i mean like the one thing we talk about all the time is that we're here to uh represent and support the victims as comedy is not around that yeah so uh i think i i'm okay with the way i did but then i i touched a nerve with the next last night yeah and there was somebody in the audience who clearly was having, was out for the weekend and made a bad entertainment choice. Do you know what? Do you know what I bet happened? Some fucking sweet hardcore murderina was like, fuck, I have to work tonight. Uncle Dave. Listen. Aunt Julie, take these tickets. You guys love horror movies. You're really into horror movies. You guys love comedy. I feel like you might enjoy this thing. and that murderina was wrong yeah deeply wrong yeah uh really at the end of the day what happened is and as a person who's done stand-up comedy for right 100 years we just got heckled i mean that's at the long and the short of it it's there's been there's been a lot of um words used to describe what happened that i think are inaccurate because just it was a guy yelling this is shite and And although it's rude and jarring and upsetting, it's still not like assault or anything. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a person going, fuck this. The only thing was... Really angry. Yeah, he was mad. And also, he had like the lungs of Pavarotti. He was the loudest person I've ever heard speak. And if you can imagine, all these murderinos were like, like this. What the... You know, in their minds, what the fuck? But we were all like, what the fuck? the fuck everyone was like what the fuck for a while yeah and um and he it seemed like it went on for 25 minutes it was probably 20 seconds and then they just hightailed it out of there and then we had to like sit in it for a little while i did start crying that part is true well it was upsetting because he was yelling at her and also it was this moment where like it happens all the time in this podcast we were talking about something incredibly sensitive and then one of us fucks up and the other one makes fun of that person and they interpreted that as us laughing at someone's death right which makes sense logistically you know what i mean it's like these these it's not we didn't argue it you know what i mean because that's that was what was happening but it also was not what was happening in the least so and then karen fuck i just looked at her and i was like and you fucking like a champ took over and like said the most eloquent wonderful thing and it was so it meant so much to me listen i have to say i'm so fucking happy you're on my team and i'm so lucky that you have my back and it means a lot to me and i'm not pandering i'm just pandering i trained at the improv olympic for 22 years no i'm just kidding no yeah and it's just like you know what in my for me um i come from a family of incredibly loud yellers so it was like oh my god thanksgiving again i was just like are you done okay we get your volume anger um no i'm not like that no that's not her experience no but yeah so um there was lots of people who were like don't quit the podcast and were like are you i just fucking quit my job i have to do this podcast I painted myself into a corner seriously we're never going to post that episode I think we should post the part that we whatever, anyways I don't think that's ever going to happen out of context people will be like that was a weird speech that was a weird quiet speech about how hard life can be yeah yeah that was just a magical uh select moment for us and the funniest part oh god in the vip oh my god there were people who would come up and be like it's so funny because i have anxiety disorder and we're like oh shit it's like worst case scenario for people who already like it was hard for me to come here yeah and then the man started yelling we're like then an angry man And we're like, this is, and it's 99, look around here. It's like all women here. Oh, and then you guys have to, okay, listen, don't tell anyone we told you this. Don't tell Madeline we told you this, but they said to us, please don't tell Sydney about what happened. So, they were really, I mean, but here's the thing. They were very embarrassed. Every single person that we met in that VIP was so lovely to us. And then we had people, part of what Georgia's story was about was a crime family who ambushed cops and were trying to kill cops. And that was part of the sensitivity. And about the fourth people who walked up in the VIP line both worked for the Victoria Police Department. And one of the women was like, my boss told me to listen to this podcast for the health of my job. and we were like are you just saying that i started crying again and then i was like then it dinged in my head i was like hey there was a cop here last night and she likes our podcast too so you know she gave us a caution tape yeah and a little badge yeah um but then australia you you guys responded in the fucking coolest way that makes the coolest so fucking happy and you all get credit you all get credit yeah not just melbourne we just feel like the mascots of this podcast with i feel like i have a like a tiger head on and a murderino and like we're we're like cartwheeling and then everyone else is the football team yeah exactly but that doesn't make any sense here and fuck but what you mean is at midnight yeah um two murderinos it was danica and um dan we have their names nadine nadine and danica they are social workers in brisbane and they started basically a oh yeah campaign the oh you're gonna heckle are yeah and um so we had steven grab a still of what the total of money raised for this having happened Can you see that? You guys, this was as of six o'clock today, it's $9,000 that's going to women's organizations in Brisbane, in Melbourne and in Sydney. Thank you. we're fucking honored to have to be even associated somewhat with that and we know that it's not this whole fucking thing is bigger than us and we appreciate your support so much we're gonna have a man come out and yell at us every night and then you're going to have to it'll be Vince, if it's Vince I can fucking deal with it my husband Vince and like a mustache and a bowler hat like this is shite we'll be like better raise money give us money I think, can we say someone was like, well, I hope they thought the money was going to me? Because it was like, we love Georgia. Yeah, we love you, Georgia. They must have just checked the website and immediately gotten off without reading anything. They were like, well, I hope she gives at least some of the money to the hurricane victims. We're like, lady, lady. That's what this guy did. He checked the thing really quick and he was like, okay, I know the story. I'm going to scream at you. shite shite um and look sometimes we are completely shite here's the thing i was so um i was so distracted i never plucked the hair still there yeah i'm gonna keep it as a reminder forever and grow it so long and speaking of facial hair oh yeah do you want to see your friend steven Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steven. We're friends, Steven. Hi, Sydney. Steven, I just want to tell you, too, because I feel very emotional tonight that we appreciate you two a lot. Thank you. Good thing you do. I love you guys. We love you, too. We love you, Steven. Yeah. We're always kidding when we're meeting. You guys know that, right? It's fun to yell at Steven, but Steven does a lot of shit for us all the time. I love it, though. Yeah, I love it. You love the yelling? Yes. Perfect! It's the perfect relationship! Yay! Yay, Steven. All right, bye. Bye. Should we talk about Spanx, or should we sit down? How dare you? I was going to go into a 15 minutes Spanx chunk and now I can't No I felt like there was one other thing I was going to say that was about Oh I guess it's just No it's just if I eat one more Tim Tam I'm going to fucking explode It is Out of control Next time we are going To another country instead of saying on the podcast Everyone bring us all your Chalkies and lollies I've since learned is the thing Snicks Snakes That's Kiwi I'm just going to say bring us money for the hurricane Instead Bring us money for the hurricane Straight into Georgia's pocket You can gift wrap it Whatever you want My favorite is that you guys call them Lollies and chalkies But then also you call heroin addicts Smackies That's so cute That's something we found out from our driver Wally That was one of my favorite things I've ever heard anyone say He kept calling us a cunt. And he said, no, no, it's when we like people, we call them cunts. And we're like, okay. Is that true? Yeah. Like, that clearly fits me so well. That's my favorite word. Love it. Okay, now. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, what kind of... Are these high-challenge chairs? No, no. Did I? Wow. Levels. Levels. This is our new podcast, Levels. Tell me everything. Mommy. Mommy, may I have some murder? I don't want to be that low. That's a little crazy. Should I just tell briefly the story of when I broke the chair? Yeah, because it's so similar, but I wasn't going to bring it up because that's not cool to your friend. Like when I told my mom in public she needed to shave her nose hairs. That's not cool. It's not cool and it's rude. Now I can't remember if it was the first or second night. It was the first night. We've been on the road now for, I think, 40 days. Not a bit. And now I'm sinking and I'm not even touching anything. Yeah, I think we've broken the chairs. Sorry. okay there we yeah here i'll just sit up we're a regular larry mo and curly over here um we love physical comedy it's our new thing yeah we told you guys at the top comedy comedy all right uh the first night we got here george and i are doing our makeup in the mirror as we do just piling it on for hours before the show starts and um uh in my perspective the room started to slant to the right and i didn't know why i thought maybe it was jet lag or a seizure or i was finally going to die and right as i turned to george to say like hey is the room slanting to the right to U2. The chair that I was sitting in just bent, like these legs bent under, and I in fucking straight up slow motion fell to the ground in the chair to the point where when I landed, I was stuck in it against the wall like I was being eaten by a giant clam. Yeah, and then I went after her. I went after to save her, but I'm a human, so I was fucking cracking up the whole time. Because who doesn't laugh when someone falls? But you're still a good person, so you're still trying to help. She's underlining. I'll say this is what the help looked like. It looked like this. No! You know what I think I did? I went to hug you, because I could tell you weren't hurt. So it was just going to be like, oh, God. Like, nobody wants a chair to break. But then I noticed that the chair had like literally been like, like masking taped together. That's the story we're going with. Masking tape chair. Yeah. So I've been afraid of chairs ever since. Look, it's been a hard tour. We've gone through a lot of shit. If I look like I've been crying, it's because I have allergies. And I've been crying. So this is the portion where we talk about murder. Yes. So if anyone only likes comedy, there is a door. Please don't yell at me. I don't mean that. Please don't yell at me. They're like, we had nothing to fucking do with it. How dare you? I go first tonight, right? There's the door. I didn't mean it like that. Can I tell you about your earrings that someone gave us? Please. They say, one says CK and the other one says FU. And if you put those two together the other way, it says fuck. It's really funny because there's that. And then someone also gave me a little enamel pin that's a heart with an arrow through it that says, fuck off. It's like they know you. It's just they know me so well. It's so it's I want all my jewelry to be rude to everyone for no reason. Oh, so great. Oh, my God, we're back. I'm sweating thinking about this. It fucked me up for a long time. I'm not going to lie. Like even into this past, this recent tour, it's always on my mind. Oh, yeah. When I go on stage, you know, I mean, that experience, you know, stuff that's happened online, like the exposure level and the vulnerability level, especially when we perform live is I don't think people understand it because it is we've seen some real shit. And on that at that show, especially it just was like we didn't understand what was happening and it just kept going. And so then people, it was like the other people in the audience were upset. The guy that was heckling was upset. It was just this weird kind of combination of things. And it was very unexpected because we'd been on this crazy high. It burst our bubble. It totally burst our bubble. Yeah. But I don't want to say it like it was all negative because the Melbourne murderinos did some amazing work after that and donated a bunch of money. It was very sweet. It It was like there was a whole thing happened on social media because people heard what happened. And then people are like, what we want to know and we want to hear. And it's like, it's fine. It's fine. We just had to be like the, you know, the parents of it all were like, it's fine and we're fine and don't worry. Yeah. They were like not in our city kind of a thing. And I respect that completely. And I like we're not never going to go back to Melbourne if we go on tour again. So it's not like. No, it was just a kind of it was a person who didn't know where they were at a show going, what the fuck am I watching? but they just yelled it and felt like they had the right to yell it. And that was, you know, but you experience something like that. That's a real low. And then this show was basically everybody in Australia that cared about our podcast being like, we are going to make it up to you with good times, energy. Like it was hilarious how fun that show was. It really was. So many memories. Oh, yeah, we can say it's it was Denisa and Nadine who started an Oh Yeah campaign against the heckler and raised $9,000 for women's organizations in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney. So fucking cool. Just like legendary. That what this this community has been doing stuff like that like representing us this whole time wasn our idea It like do you think we have a larger contingency of listeners than other podcasts or comedy live shows that are epileptic Because we've had so many people... Listen, as an epileptic, I'm going to say, shut the fuck up. No, I'm just kidding. No, it's just, if you tour enough, that shit happens. I mean, like, any comic can tell you. Yeah. Medical emergencies. like at the Irvine Improv I was there one night when something really medical emergency-ish happened in the audience and it was such a big club that I didn't realize it was happening until like they were taking the person out it's such a it's just a weird thing it does happen a lot epileptic murderinos unite we support you fainters and barfers get up here this is your podcast We love you. All right. Should we get into it? Let's do it. This first story is Georgia's story about Aunt Sally, Caroline Grills. 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Yeah. all right okay yeah this is the you know what i keep doing is i keep writing the name of the story in as the doc name and i forget to put it on the top of my paper so then i'm like i guess this is a story of uh um anti anti tholly yeah anti tholly your poisoner oh i fucking gave away the beginning All right. All right. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. Should I pretend that I don't know it's a poisoner? Yes. Okay. Because you don't know. I mean, she could have been lying the whole time. Yeah. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. So. Nobody was her BFF as a kid here. You don't know? Balmain? Balmain. Balmain. Absolutely. You mean exactly how it's spelled? I'm trying to get creative and it's didn't work well right because when it's spelled and it looks like you know how to pronounce it then you say it and everyone's like it's Bondi or whatever that fucking beach is called stupid just because it's internationally known and insanely famous and so gorgeous when we flew in on that plane this morning I was like oh it's like we're on vacation I know crazy we had a lot of homework I know Okay, April 1908. At 18, she marries Richard William Grylls, hence her last name. He's a laborer. They have five sons and a daughter. And then in, so she's a bunch of kids. In 1948, Carolyn inherited and moved into her father's home in Bladesville. Thank you. Thank you. I'm like a kindergartner who wants applause when she pee-pees or whatever. um she's known as auntie carrie by her extensive family she's a okay here's how they fucking i'll tell you later okay um like backstage she yeah she's an older one she's an old woman because 68 is old then but actually let's have a photo of her because she looks this is her i know cutie right fun looks like your grandma she looks god she has great teeth she really does really nice teeth nice teeth she looks like she could be my mom's mom and my mom is older than her because like back then it was like you're done yeah like 50 you're back then it was like you're 17 you have your six children yeah and then you immediately look like that there were there was no preventative creams back then cold cream all over the place yeah okay uh a lot of dust so she frequently visited her in-laws and friends making tea cakes and biscuits for them uh-oh no don't say uh uh-oh remember the poisoner at the top of this thing guess who it is it's great teeth johnson oh you know what what her last name is grills she's got a great grill thank you this is the joy of comedy this is what it can be like wait a second is it grills like bear grills the guy that fucking climbs all over the place no survives no wide isn't he a why yeah he is a grill like straight up grill oh great legit grill yeah okay no fucking uh round yeah In 1947, her 87-year-old stepmother, Christine Mickelson, becomes ill with symptoms of hair loss, nervous disorders, progressive blindness, and loss of speech and eventually dies well under Aunt Carrie's care. Throughout 1941 and 42, various family members become ill, including a bunch of family members, but all survive. Then, in January 1948, a relation of her husband, Angela Thomas, also becomes ill and dies of the same symptoms, followed by her husband's brother-in-law. So I guess it's her brother-in-law, right? Yeah. It would be her brother. Her husband's brother-in-law is her brother. No, it could be her husband's sister's husband. Right? No. Okay. Listen, nobody remembers this, so we're changing it. Yeah. to whatever we want. If you care, go on to Ancestry.com and figure it out yourself. Okay. John Lundberg, he dies in late 48, and one of her stepmother's friends and sister-in-law, I'm not going to go there, Mary Ann Nicholson, dies the following year. But presumably, Auntie Carrie goes on making cakes and tea and shit until, I wrote that, cakes and tea and shit, until September 1952, Yvonne Fletcher, a housewife and mother of two from the inner city, inner Sydney suburb of Newton, is charged. New town. New town. It's Newton. Don't laugh at me. This can't turn into a call and response of town names. It's insane. That cheer was insane. Can I remind everyone that I got yelled at last night and I cried? So I'm going to be on edge a little bit. That includes pronouncing shit wrong. Let's just pretend that that's why I'm doing that. I think that's why they were like a fucking football stadium just now cheering for that correct town name pronunciation. I made pee pee in the potty and they're proud of me. We support you, Georgia. Cakes and teas. Newtown, you know. Yep, every time now. was charged and tried for the murders of both. So this chick fucking turns out kills both of her husbands with this poison called thallium. So it's a rat bait poison because rats were fucking everywhere in Sydney after World War II. They were 1.2 million rats just in Sydney. Whoa. And from, and so... Give it up for rats. And then... So there was this rat bait, and there was like, put it in bread and sprinkle it around your house and you'll kill rats. Where the babies are crawling. Yeah, okay. But it was this crazy poison and people were like, oh, you can buy it at the store. I'm pissed at my two husbands. And then they say that at least 55 people were poisoned by thallium, 10 of which died as far as they know because they weren't doing toxicology shit back then, right? Because it was almost untraceable. you mean by her no no no no like in general and so this one um case got really big and um and then okay okay and it caused symptoms or phallion poisoning were loss of hair nervous disorders progressive blindness loss of speech organ failure and eventual death remember that from the beginning yes oh my god are you putting it together i kind of am it feels like someone's a poisoner i think we have another photo just for the fuck of it let's see oh that's when she got arrested never mind spoiler alert that's that time she put oh look at that house dress steven i didn't tell you to put that up wait was that her yeah that was a good dress i'm sorry don't be sorry be happy okay because of the widespread media coverage so this chick kills a bunch of people it gets all over the papers a dude named john downey who's related to aunt k our friend aunt carrie read the story in a newspaper and was like hmm those sound like really familiar symptoms that i've had myself when i hung out and ate auntie carrie's cakes and shit uh-oh um and his his aunt or something uh is a long time ago evelyn lundberg also had all these symptoms and she had even gone blind wow so but she didn't die no so on may 11th that's my birthday oh shit that's right that's okay we always have to do that even in the middle of a not this one like a like a word juney oh my god i sent steven some horrible thing that had a date on it the other day it was like and this is the day this person was decapitated he was like my birthday you just can't help yourself you know they got decapitated 88 years ago on my birthday yeah i wonder what i was doing that day um okay so he goes over to aunt carrie's house and is like super suspicious of her. She's bringing tea and cakes and stuff out and he sees her take something out of her pocket and put it in the tea. So he becomes a street magician and whoop, whoop, whoop, switches around, switch, switch, switch, switch, switch, takes the tea that he saw her lace, pours it in what I'm assuming is a bottle, I don't know, and fucking takes it home with him, brings it to the police and they test it. Whoa. Valley. Poison is in it. Shocker. Shocking. nobody saw that one coming so then they also take her beautiful house dress and there's they find traces of thallium in the pockets so pocket full of thallium don't ruin house dresses for us please, it's all I have you can put so much shit in house dresses oh my god at coroner's inquest a bunch of witnesses recalled her bringing them drinks and how eager she was to help preparing food and tea. I'll do it. I got it. I got it. I want to kill everybody. Nobody wants to help in the kitchen. It's a thing you offer and hope people are like, no, no, I got it. So you should be suspicious of someone who's like, I want to help. You know, it's like, no, you don't. The game's on. What are you doing? Yeah, calm down. Go eat, what do they have? Go eat dip. Okay. So at 63 years old, she's arrested and charged with the attempted murder of her sister-in-law, who's now blind, and her daughter, the sister-in-law's daughter. Her niece. Both. Huh? Thank you. I'm big picturing. You're in the details, and I'm out here watching all of it. You didn't read 18 articles and copy and paste most of it. Nope. This is all new to me. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so she's arrested and investigators also exhumed a bunch of those bodies from before and they found traces of thallium in two of them. And the others had been cremated so they couldn't be tested. So the coroner found her responsible for several deaths. Can they do that? That's how they used to do it, I think, back then. Okay. Coroner's inquest. There's a book. Never mind. I know I'm not going to remember it. It's called the dictionary. The Bible? What's that book? Da Vinci Code. That's it. There it is. She's charged with the murders of Mary Mickelson, who was 60, Christina Mickelson, who was 87, and Angelina Thompson, who was 84. And at her trial, she professed her innocence. She said police had pressured her relatives to convict her. The ones that were still living. Yeah. and that she quote, helped to live not to kill I helped people live, I didn't kill them and yet they're dead and then she was laughing at half the trial, she was just like a little nutso about it she was excited to be out in her house dress and in the end the cases are dropped and she's only convicted on the attempted murder of Mrs. Lundberg, so the woman who went blind, in October of 1953. Because they could basically only deal with what was happening to the survivors. I guess. Yes. I'm sorry. What was the time frame? Was it over years that she was doing it? It started in 1940 something. Say 7. Let's go 7. I think 41 is when it started, but somehow. In 1953, okay, and so another one. In 1953, Bob Lullum, he's an Australian rugby football fucking player. But like, star. I was waving my arms in the air. How did you not get that? Referee? No, like big, this is big time. This is big timer. Star. Okay, now I know. Yeah. I just have to say this, just as a sidebar. The first day we got here, I turned the TV on in my hotel room, and there was a rugby game on. Oh, my God. Yeah, have you ever seen that shit? You guys. Oh, my God. Yeah, they pull each other's hair. Big boys just pulling on each other. It's crazy. It is hot stuff. Mute that shit, keep it on in the background. that's nice congratulations you get that all the time i'd never i'd never i didn't realize i was such a fan see it scared me it did yeah why because i'm scared of everything everything how about a nice big thigh i know what that mime was piles of thighs okay so much sweat that's bad for you you have not into that okay all right sweat and thighs not my thing yes yes and yes okay it's like we're two different people i mean we seem to be different Okay, so this dude's mother-in-law tried to poison who he was having a sexual relationship with. So what, re-clarify this. Mother-in-law is correct in this part. His wife's hot mom, I wish, I didn't. No, don't look over there. His wife's hot mom and he were hooking up. What? And she tried to poison him. She was like, you're cheating on my daughter. I'm putting poison you. I'm making this part up. I'm guessing that's what the thing is. Yeah. But also it's with me. I don't know the logic here. Shit. Yeah. This jury has everything. I mean, thighs. That's my part. That's it. He lives and soon afterwards Thallium is banned from sale. So the jury deliberated for our aunt over here. She's sentenced to death and later commuted to life in prison. She becomes known as Aunt Thally in prison. Auntie Thally in prison. It sounds like, in a loving way, I think the other inmates liked her. It also sounds like they're trying to say Aunt Sally, but they have a lisp. Or they're a five-year-old child in prison. She, in 1960, she died in, um, of, uh, you know, old stuff. Yep. Uh, less than seven years after her trial. In the end, nobody fucking knows her motives and people thought it was revenge or envy or anger. Um, and the dude said seven people were recipients of charity and kindness from aunt Carrie and they all died or suffered the nasty effects of thallium poisoning she had maybe financial benefit to games sometimes none and no one ever fucking figured out her motives wow so that's our friend aunt wow aunt sally aunt sally thank you oh man i gotta get my allergies taken care of this sound guy almost shat his pants just now Stephen Stephen you broke the mic um well that was crazy okay we're back are there updates for this story there are no updates and you know what else let's just fucking get into your epic classic this is a classic in the My Favorite Murder Marvel Universe I was so afraid you had already found this story and that you like that basically I was waiting for when you were doing your story, hoping to God it wasn't this story. Just like then, and then they found, and then Aunt Valley found a shark arm. That's right. An arm by a shark. 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Well, this one is, I have to say, I think of all the murders I've ever read or done. It just has so much shit going on. That's so, it's beyond and yet... I actually, I didn't, I just saw Shark Arm Murder and I was like, I'm going to do that. And so I don't know a lot about it. Oh, really? You just looked at the title? So I'm going to sit back. Oh, then that would have been better if it had worked. Do it. Oh. I'm going to sit back. No. That's. And then tip it this way. And then fall. Slatten it down. Roll yourself up in the rug. It's really funny because this, somewhere along the line, this rug got put into our writer as like, this is the stage design for us. And that means that everywhere we go, somebody has to buy a rug. Yeah. And then, like, carry it around all the time. And someone gets, like, at the venues, like, oh, we don't have a rug. And they're really mad at us. Yeah. They're like, sorry about the rug. And we're just like, we don't give a fuck about the rug. Anyway. But we're divas. That was just a bit of a behind-the-scenes for you about the rug. Tonight, you guys get to know all the shit. Tonight, tonight, tonight. Okay. April 17th, thank you, 1935. A fisherman hooks a small shark off of what I'm imagining to be pronounced Coogie Beach. No? Yeah? By the laughter, I'm going to guess no. Coochie! Coochie Beach? Oh, I see. This is a sexy country. Coochie Beach. All right. You guys said it. I mean, okay, listen to this shit. This fisherman catches a shark, right, kind of small. And as he's reeling the small shark in, a huge shark jumps up and eats the smaller shark. And so then the fisherman hauls the huge shark in alive. Wow. This is the shit that would go fucking viral if he had a camera back then. Can you imagine? Yes. That coochie beach fisherman would be a billionaire. Yeah. He'd be at the YouTube convention. Yeah. Okay. So that alone, we're in, again, if this was a movie and that's the first scene, you're not leaving that seat. You're like whoever this director is, you're my favorite artist of all time. Like that wouldn't happen. No. Oh, my God. I can't believe I caught such a small shark. Holy shit, Jaws is here. Chomp. So what they do is it's almost it's coming up on on Anzac Day and Anzac Day in Australia is it basically is honors all the soldiers that went off to World War One from New Zealand and from Australia. And it's a big holiday. It's a big holiday weekend. So in 1935, the the Koochee aquarium baths um oh do we have the picture of the coochie aquarium baths steven we do so they were like uh it was like a big fancy complex hold up i see the word refreshments yeah i see the word rooms i see the words boiling water oh oh yeah they had so much boiling water there what it was awesome. I wonder what the refreshments were. It was boiling water. You could have all the boiling water you could drink, but you had to drink it right by the stove while it was boiling. So that's why they weren't doing very good business. No, not really. Okay. So, so there's been shark attacks on all along the coast and in uh in 1935 in the end of february in the beginning of march um three different young men were killed by sharks on the coast so they had uh people out trying to catch and kill sharks all the time they were like guys just leave them alone enemy number one what sharks yes stay out of the fucking ocean i love that they're like we're gonna take care of this shark problem by killing three sharks or whatever the fuck. There's so many more. Yeah, exactly. It's a hard one to solve when they've been around for 80 million years. And they don't need to change because they're perfect fucking monsters and creatures. They have so many rows of teeth. Oh my god, Steve and I started getting into this thing today. He started sending me pictures of sharks with human teeth. Have you ever seen those? It's the best thing of all time. No. No, I don't think so. You don't have one, Stephen. I mean, you can just imagine it's like a shark picture coming at you with the crazy fucking pointed teeth, rose, rose, rose. But instead of that, it's like Taylor Swift's teeth. So it's like, it's like. Oh, my God, I need to see that. It's fucking hilarious. Anyway, we had a great time, guys. So anyway, the owner of the coochie baths was like, business is slow because there's been these shark attacks, but we've got this big holiday weekend coming up. I'm going to fucking get that big ass shark that that guy just caught. Stick them in inside the baths. Can you show the inside of the bath? Cause he's alive, right? It's still alive. Okay. So they decide they're going to put it. So that's the baths. It's all salt water. The salt water is coming in from the ocean and people go and swim in salt water. They have the same thing in San Francisco, the Sutro bath. It was right on the coast. Right. Okay. so uh steven so they take the shark and they put it in the in the pool so people can come pay money and look at the thing that's killing people in the water let's see that one the shark steven i want to swim with him um no people just stood around and said he's pretty big he's pretty big he was what you like to say down here um uh four meters long oh that sounds four meters and one ton with two n's and an e um what a measurement so so so this poor shark is so at first when he's there he's there for a week and the beginning he's swimming around everyone's freaking out paying money and everything is working out great. But after a week, the shark starts acting strangely. It's moving slowly. It seems disoriented. It seems sick. And then on Anzac Day at 4.30 p.m., there's a small crowd in the baths watching the shark. And the shark goes into a frenzy. And then as it's quoted here, I got all this information from the Sydney Crime Museum website and the dictionary of sydney.org and of course our wikipedia um uh it starts to go crazy and then it starts vomiting copiously is the quote and out of its stomach come a rat a rat a rat a bird the remains of the smaller shark that he ate earlier and then the big surprise a severed human arm. So those people standing around at the coochie baths, there's the arm. No. Look at his dukes. His tattoos dukes are up. Well, here's the thing. The arm has a very distinctive tattoo of two boxers warming up together. Two boxers boxing on the arm. We need to each get that. Should we get it? I get one boxer and you get the other? Or should we get a tattoo of a severed arm with boxers on the arm. You know someone has that somewhere. I hope so. Okay. So now I'm only halfway down the first page of the story. That's all I'd like to say right now. This, we've already got a double shark attack and then the shark barfs in front of everybody, a paying audience, which I would have loved. Um, and he barfs up a human arm. So they call the police they get the arm out of the pool they uh take it to inspect it and they notice that it is not um the remnants of the shark having eaten a person because the arm has been severed not bitten i didn't know this yeah so now they know something's going on and they have to look into it okay so then they take the arm down to the police station i'm assuming i'm not i they they fingerprint print the hand of the arm. Oh my god. Uh-huh. And they find out that it belongs to a former boxer, billiards hall owner, and small-time criminal Jim Smith, who had been missing since April 7th. How long was that? April 25th is Anzac Day, so you do the math because I can't. Smith also lived in Balmain Hey Balmain Look, listen Look and listen And spell your cities correctly We just I think everywhere we go We're going to have to sit down With a native for like two hours Before we go out on stage Two minutes, really I mean it. We don't need to take that much time to ask a person at the front desk of the hotel. Cut into that mascara time for just a little bit. How do we say this word? Okay, got it. And then we do things correctly at the show. Listen, Jim Smith lived in that town with his wife and child. And we're just going to start saying that town. And his billiards hall, as they were back then, was a, quote, seedy type of place where vice flourished. Sounds fun. Fun. Lots of rugby. So Jim Smith was also a police informant or what they call a fizz gig or a fizzer. What? That's what it's like. That's cute, you guys. Isn't that precious? I like that. Okay. So they look into his situation and they find that either it is Billiards Hall or the other place he works, which was called the Tattersalls Club. He had fell in with a criminal doing business with a criminal named Reginald Holmes. Let's take a look at Reginald Holmes. He's a classy kind of criminal. Oh, fuck. Good day, good day to you, sir. Everything about him. Reginald has a whole box of pinky rings that he keeps on his dresser. Those teeth have to be put in every morning and taken out every night, for sure. They're kind of kind of. And sometimes when he talks and he's drunk, they come out. Like, for sure. They just slip down a tiny bit. Or at least the two front teeth. Do you know how they, what do they call those? Anyways, flippers. Anyways. Also, I think Steven needs a pencil-thin mustache. Oh, yeah. I think that needs to be the next direction he takes it. Yeah. It's effective. Okay. All right, so that's Reginald Holmes. And he was from a family of very successful boat makers. And he was rich. He had a big mansion at McMahon's Point. His business was in Lavender Bay, all your favorite places. and he has a wife two children he's a regular at the royal sydney yacht club he's a pillar of the local presbyterian church but he was also a smuggler and a fraudster as they call him yes so what he would do was he hired men to drive motor boats out to sea that would pick up packages that sailors would throw off of boats and the packages would be full of cocaine or they would be full of cigarettes or they would be full of other things that you weren't allowed to have there's some straight fucking boardwalk empire shit right here yes you guys seen this yeah this guy's nookie he's watch it it's a fucking great show reg so jim smith drove one of those boats so that's how they all kind of know each other okay and so that's the cops are starting to find all of this out and they also find out that the two reg and jim had started a racket with a convicted forger named patrick brady here's patrick brady not i wouldn't say as much of a classy gent as reg probably didn't go to the yacht club that much just this is very superficial but old pat brady i think was a like the whiskey and uh nice had a hair though i think you know what i He was good at drawing because he was a forger. Oh, yeah. So he's probably smart, real sharp. But I bet he had a foul mouth. All right. So the three of them are doing this thing where Patrick Brady makes checks. And they would get the name of Reg's fancy friends and the people that he would make boats for. And they would make fake checks. And then I believe Jim Smith would go cash those checks. And so they were in that ring of deceit and deception. I don't know what I'm saying. But apparently, and the police find out, that Jim started blackmailing Reginald Holmes. And obviously was not a good idea. So on April 7th, 1935, Jim Smith tells his wife that he's going to go fishing. But instead, he went and played cards with Patrick Brady at the Cecil Hotel in Cronulla. Fuck yes. Good job. Fuck yes. Good job. Thank you so much. It felt good. It was like, I just didn't think about it. I just was like, I'll just say it. I don't want to overthink it. Because you get, we're starting to get like scared of saying places. I'm scared of words and letters. I mean, numbers. Don't get me started on numbers. Oh my God, maps? I can't even. No. Okay. So he lies, this is what I love, he lies to his wife, says he's going to go fishing, and instead he goes and plays cards. Wow. Yeah. Roll those dice. Yeah. So Patrick Brady had a rented cottage nearby where they were drinking and playing cards, and that comes into play later. So a taxi driver testifies that he picked up Patrick Brady from Canola and he drove him to Reginald Holmes' house at 3 Bayview Street, McMahon's Point, apparently a very nice area, or was in 1935, and on the same day that Jim Smith went missing. And the cab driver said, quote, he was disheveled. He had a hand in his pocket that he wouldn't take out. What do you think is in there? like an arm his hand was holding down an arm no I don't know what if he cut the bottom out of his pocket and he was holding hands with the arm no this is a criminal you have to think like a criminal okay so so Patrick Brady's arrested so they get that testimony they arrest Patrick Brady on May 16th They charge him with the murder of Jim Smith. When the police bring in Reginald Holmes to question him because they know he's in the circuit, Reg says he's never met Patrick Beatty. He doesn't know who they're talking about. So he ends up, they end up letting him go. They don't have anything to hold him on. So he leaves, goes home. Four days later, May 20th, he goes into his boat shed and attempts suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32. Reginald does? Reginald does. Richie? Richie Rich, Reginald. But here's the thing. The bullet flattened against the bone in his forehead. What? And so he was merely stunned. What? Did you make that up? I wish I did. It would be such good writing. Wow, that's some forehead. I mean, that's like a fucking plate. Yeah. So he stuns himself by shooting himself in the fucking head. It's stunning. It's stunning. It is stunning. He falls in. He's like in his boat or whatever. He falls into the water. He falls into the water. The water revives him from a bullet to the head. And he comes to, he gets into his boat, and he starts driving around Sydney Harbor. He disrupts the ferry services. Do you think he's just screaming? Yeah. Ah, the fuck? It just happened. Gods don't work on my head. That's what I'd be yelling. I'm invincible. You fucking come at me, you sons of bitches. Yeah. He does this for four hours. Shit, I mean, what would you do? Right? Who among us would lose their shit? Who among us is right? He finally takes out of the harbor, goes two kilometers out to sea, and he finally just stops. He allows the police to come on board. And he says to the police, Jimmy Smith is dead, and there's only another left. If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him. Oh, okay. Cops were like, sure. So it's like, we suspect, we're the police and we suspect you of being involved in a murder. And then you're like, look, I don't know that guy, but if you just give me a day, I'll kill him. Yeah. Reg. Yeah. Reg. Get your shit together. Yeah. What'd you get the fucking concussion when you shot yourself in the head? What did that somehow affect you mentally that you shot yourself right in the fucking head? Okay. So. There's an empty bottle of brandy in the boat. Of course. Could have had something to do with it. Clearly. Also, it could have been a bullet to the head. So Detective Sergeant Frank Matthews questions Reg, and he says, he spills it. He says, Patrick Brady killed Jim Smith, dismembered his body, put it in a trunk, and threw it into Gunnamatta Bay. Fucking, nobody knows what that is. I know, Reg is like, we don't have that here. You got that from the wrong article. Yeah. We go to a different bay. That's not our bay. That's not our bay. They call that, putting a body into a trunk and throwing it into the bay, they call that a Sydney send-off. Oh, my God. It's not an accusation. I got it. I got it from sydneydictionary.org. Wow. Not even .com. That's a .org. So they know what they're talking about. Slash AU? It's slash EDU. okay so go on tell me more this is fucking crazy it's insane so then he claimed that patrick brady came to his house showed him smith's severed arm hey but i did back in the pocket um and then Oh my God. And then threaten Holmes with murder if he did not immediately receive $500. Wait. Oh, hey, I have the earrings on too. I forgot. Go on. what doesn't this story have that you're not completely focused on everything i i can't give you more than this no story will ever be more interesting and you fucking touching your earrings Listen attention span of a three right here Go on. I'm sorry. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. Please. I'm supporting you. Okay. They start up a coroner's inquest in mine as well as yours. That's how I knew what one was. Okay, so the day before the coroner's inquest, Reg Holmes withdraws $500 from his bank account. And in late in the evening, he tells his wife that he has to go meet someone. They lie to their wives so much in 1935. Maybe if you were honest to your wife, you wouldn't. His wife's like, get out of here. His forehead is so hard. Yeah. You can go anywhere you want. Get away from me. Yeah. lie to me you're like a monster okay early the next morning which is the day of the coroner's inquest june 11th 1935 reginald holmes is found dead in the driver's seat of his nash sedan with three gunshot wounds to the chest oh no and he is the inquest star witness he wasn't invincible he isn't well they didn't get him here right but he was never offered police protection oh so he So there's a guy named Alex Castles who's a professor, and he wrote a book in 1995 called The Shark Arm Murders, which everyone should read. I definitely am going to, just to see if it's actually real. It would be amazing if the sydneydictionary.org was just a prank website. And everyone here knew it. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, she fucking fell for it. That's my little brother. Are you stupid? um but professor castles um believes that reginald holmes took out a contract on his own life because to spare his family the shame of him be going to jail oh that's his theory okay because the crime scene was made to appear like holmes had committed suicide except for there were three bullet wounds in his chest yeah yeah that would you'd have to really be fucking dedicated yeah just one more yeah he's like i've tried this before it didn't work i'm gonna triple down on this one i'm just really gonna focus and i'm gonna just set my intention i'm gonna do some slight yogic breathing okay the the police have no doubt that he's been murdered right because um uh shot three times well yes and but also they find out that jim smith they believe that jim smith was killed by patrick brady on the orders of gangland figure eddie wyman who was arrested while attempting to forge a check in 1934 the year before and the reason he got arrested was because of a tip that jim smith had given to the police because he was a police informant. Fine. Listen, that's fine. We're on the same wavelength. So, when that happens and Jim Smith is exposed as a police informant, all of the seedy underworld billiards hall denizens know that he's a stool pigeon and he basically has a target on his very soft forehead. Yes. Right at the top of his arm. Okay, so here's the thing. The inquest starts on June 12, 1935, but the case against Patrick Brady falls apart because there's no evidence. So Brady's lawyer, Clive Evitt, actually claimed there was not enough substance to even begin the inquest. He argued that an arm, quote, does not constitute a body, which you can't argue with that. it's just part and that Jim Smith minus his arm could very well be alive somewhere else which is true what if he was like oh buddy they're going to come after me take my arm I'm going to get the fuck out of here you keep this you show them my arm then do a bunch of other crazy shit then do whatever the fuck you want do what you want I never like this tattoo anyway it's too big and it doesn't obvious i'm not that into boxing i was drunk and my friend made me do it yep brady is found guilty and acquitted i mean sorry not guilty and acquitted that's the craziest part of the story he's found guilty and immediately acquitted so for the next 30 years patrick brady steadfastly maintained he was in no way connected to the murder of Jim Smith. And he died in Sydney on April 18th, 1965, at the age of 76. Reginald Holmes was cremated on June 13th, 1935. And he left an estate valued at over $34,000 in 1935, which today is millions of dollars. Man, I would be a millionaire back then. Yeah? Well, not really. I'll just be like doing okay just tell them how much money i know right well i'm giving it all to a fucking hurricane so calm down what if i just threw it into a hurricane i hope they're giving some money to the hurricane here pay off the hurricane get out of here i'm you guys may have already read this but this is something like on our Twitter that everyone's retweeting because you may have known this, but the state of Florida actually had to put out a warning to its citizens not to shoot at the hurricane. Yeah. That's where we live. Can someone, can we live here, please? You can yell at us all you want, just as long as no one shoots us. and even though the navy and the air force searched port hacking and gunnamata bay the thing you deny exists but i insist is real they never found the rest of jim smith's body so he could be alone but they don't know that's it that's the arm shark shark arm murder that crazy was fun full of twists and turns nothing too controversial you know for a true crime podcast yeah crazy okay we're back karen any updates on this legendary story there are uh It's just this one, which is in 2020, a book called Shark Arm, a colon, a shark, a tattooed arm and two unsolved murders was published about this case. The authors Philip Roop and Kevin Meager are the people who put that book together. So if you want to know all the details and have it all laid out for you, I would get Shark Arm, colon, a shark, a tattooed arm and two unsolved murders. And then also the dollop did that. I can't remember it was before or after us. It was before. Yeah, that's what I thought. I used to call Dave when they did good stories. And I'd be like, so since that one was a murder, I'm going to have to probably take that. Or he would text me and be like, we just covered this. You have to do it. Yeah. Oh, that's not fair. And he sends you his notes. He's like, just read this. Gareth calls me and he's like, I don't have notes because I don't actually do any homework. God damn it. He really figured it out. Okay. Should we get into the hometown? Yes. Let's hear the hometown about John Wayne Glover, the granny killer. Do we? Should we? Yeah, we. Can we? Yeah, we're going to do it at home. Let's do some hometowns. Take a bow. What if I just threw up immediately? Oh, my God. It's over. Thank God. I don't. I let Karen choose. Well, but. Oh, right. We got a fun tweet, and there's someone who made us a very great and specific offer. I think her name is Jo. Are you still here? Are you here? Can you moonwalk? And is your name Jo? Yes. Can you please come up here? Yep. I see her. There's a door. Yeah, you have to go to that door, wherever you are. See that husband of mine? Wave to them, Vince. No, you don't have to do it. I don't get to see you. Are you here? Is she there? She's coming. I see her. She's stuck. Does anyone see her? Let her go. Let her get by. Is she moving? Move your knees. Is anything happening? Can she have me? Don't spill popcorn. Some kind of action so that we feel. She's going to come behind you, Stephen. Stephen, get ready. Be polite, Stephen, and find out her name. We're trying to teach him manners, but he's a millennial. And you guys know how those are. Yeah, yeah, there she is. Hey, there she is. Yeah. Hi Jo You didn't think we'd take you up I remembered it It looks like you brought your own microphone That'd be amazing Does it work? Is it on? If you're going to threaten us with a good time Oh, it doesn't work Does that one work? Yes You don't need a microphone to moonwalk So let's go ahead Really quick though We were looking at Twitter and can you just tell the people what you tweeted at us? I said that I'm super good at moonwalking if you get tired of talking. And we don't ever get tired of talking. I don't ever get tired of moonwalking. Yeah, but however... We like moonwalking almost as much as we love moonwalking. We'd love to see some. Yeah. I don't know how it's going to work on the floor. Well, what about the rug? Do you need to take your shoes off? Okay, here we go. She's got holes in her tights. Yes! Yes! No, I see it. I see it. No, that was super good. That was great. That was amazing. Do you, um, then we were like, do you have a home? No, it's not going to work. Here, wait. Yeah, that wouldn't work. Okay. Do you have a hometown or do you have a really embarrassing thing that happened? Do you have a hometown? Yeah, well, let's hear it. Now that you're here. She is, this is a, what do they call it? A double act when someone's good at two things? Yeah. That's right. A double act. A double act. A person. A lot of people are good at two things. Well, have you met a lot of people? Have you come to Florida? No, but I won't take a gun. Where are you from? I'm originally from French's Forest, which is near where this hometown is. And where is that? Oh, Sydney. Oh, nearby here? Sure. Well, I mean... We're in Sydney. Compared to Florida. Okay. Okay. There was, this was when I was, I look really young for my age. Oh. Me too. I was just out of high school in the late 80s. You do? Everett, did you hear the gasps? They're buying it. They're buying it, Jo. We were, they'd been, this is John Wayne Glover, who's the granny killer. Oh yes. Oh, I saw that one. I was going to do that and I'm like, I can't bear the burden. the burden. This is perfect. Someone else. I've got a twin sister. She's really pretty. I love making that joke. I get it. That's funny. Wait a second. Do you have a podcast too? No, it's for real. Yes. Do you really? It's called Zealot and it's about cults. Are you fucking kidding? What's it called? Zealot. Zealot. Oh, that's a good one. Except my friend Alex, who's here. I am so shitty because he came up with a much better name. What is it? See you last Tuesday. Good. I'm like six episodes in, so I can't change it. No, don't change it. Sorry, Alex. Start your own podcast. It's really easy. Anyone can do it. Think about historical cunts. Oh, my God. I can't wait to listen to Zealot. Zealot. Duet. Okay. Yeah. Love it. I love cults. I did the family. I know. Oh, okay. I know. I was kind of shitty. Did I miss a lot of shit? I know I missed Julian Assange was in it and I didn't say that. Yeah, no, he was. And have you seen photos of her now? Yes. Her hairline. No, we saw that one. She got so many facelifts that her face now starts back here. That's rude. She's very old and dying. Okay. But she's a bad person. Great dresser though. Oh my God. Such good clothes. So, Granny Killer, there'd been a couple of old women killed. And in Mossman, which is a very ritzy suburb. This is all North Shore where everyone's really uptight. And John Wayne Glover hated his mother. and then he got a stepmother, a mother-in-law that he also hated, and he worked as a pie salesman. A pie? So prospect. Like meat pies. Oh, yeah, I know what a meat pie is. Delicious, savory pastries. Got it. But like door-to-door or? No, nursing home to nursing home. Oh. Oh, no. That's not good. Some old ladies sells pies to their nursing homes. You'd think he'd be like, I'm going to get another job. I'm going to do something different. Nope. And old ladies started to die in the nursing homes he delivered to, but no connection. And he even got in trouble a couple of times for... He'd just wander through the nursing homes and just feel old ladies up. He was gross. But still, no connection. Why would a pie salesman need anything interesting to happen in his life? Sorry, what year was this again? 1989. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, you said at the beginning, because you're so young. You're so beautiful. And he would see old ladies coming home from doing their shopping and follow them back to nearly their front door, and then as they were opening the front door, hit them in the back of the head with a hammer and then take them inside. And he'd often steal just like $100, but he'd leave their jewellery. and he was basically just saying that you know he doesn't really know how he does it he just hates old ladies and can't control himself but we were we wanted to go my beautiful twin sister and i we wanted to go to um we were invited to two parties one weekend wow i know yeah That's how it is when you're young. And we weren't allowed to go to the nearby one because someone killing old ladies. We were young though. Are you aging backwards and you looked really old then? Yes. Got it, got it, got it. And so we went to the other party in Mossman and that night he killed someone in Mossman That afternoon he had, but we hadn't heard from it yet because 1989 we were watching Countdown, not the news. Countdown's a really cool show. Is it? Yeah. And eventually he got... They made the connection between pies and feeling up old ladies and hitting them on the head. And he would also just steal, like, $100 but nothing, no jewellery. And he'd just go to the nearby RSL. That's a, like... It's a place. No. He said no. We can't accept any more new information about this country. I'm sorry. We maxed out. If I don't understand, it's not true. He'd play the pokies with old ladies money. Pokies is a thing you do at a place. Do a lot of smackies play pokies? Yeah. How many lollies can you buy? It's sort of one or the other. Got it, got it. Slot machines. Slot machines, got it, yeah. Hi, hi, hello. Hello. Oh, and... Yeah, well, yeah, doubling. And when he got caught, he... Apparently in jail, he just did anything to attract attention. And so he killed himself in 2005, but all his... All the fellow inmates thought he did that for attention and accidentally actually died. So, because he would do lots of things to just say, oh, poor me. But he's dead. amazing can you do one more moonwalk before you yeah yes okay yeah moonwalk away you guys joe everybody joe thank you so much perfection wow that is what we're looking for hometown yes notes listen to zealot i can't wait i know oh my god i love a cult cults oh shit yeah god bless joe for making that offer so good so good and really coming through the vibe was just perfection it was almost like our birthday party if the year before the birthday party had been ruined by like a tornado so everyone's like we're gonna we're gonna make this the best birthday ever We're going to show you. Yeah, for sure. We'll show you through getting super drunk and supporting you. And having the best accents. Yay. So do you know if there's any updates for this hometown? No updates. Not a lot of updates this episode. All right. Well, this episode was originally entitled Live at the Enmore Theater. And if we were naming it today based on the fucking babble that we say during the show, maybe we would call it. one more tim tam my love of tim tams truly i mean the eating that we were doing on that tour was incredible so good and the candy being brought to us candy was incredible the tim tams were just top notch we had a cookie bake off recently at the exactly right offices and i submitted in the store-bought category and vince i was like i don't know what to bring and vince brought me home Tim Tams. And he's like, everyone loves Tim Tams or they've never had them. And yes, they were a fucking hit. They they really were. And people do need to know about Tim Tams. It's totally we could also call it cold cream all over the place. She just looks like she and Sally's just covered in cold cream. Yeah. Or give it up for rats, which is when Georgia that's so ridiculous i love it this that's that's us having fun yeah for sure or how about piles of thighs yeah rugby oh my god the rugby culture we got to be in and remember we actually got to meet a real rugby a real australian rugby player thanks for listening guys let's uh say goodbye from the stage in sydney in 2017 good day good day good day You guys, thank God this went the way it did tonight. Thank you. Oh, my God. Thank you. I needed this. We needed it. I needed a win. I needed a cry of joy and not fear, just not outright fear. Well, here's the thing, though. We're so spoiled. Oh, my God. Because every show pretty much we've ever done, And especially every show on this run here in your gorgeous country has been amazing. Fucking incredible. Amazing. Like, insanely polite audiences, insanely responsive audiences. Everyone fucking gets it. Everyone's funny. Everyone knows what's going on. So who gives a shit what happened? 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