Summer Should Be Fun! 'Manda...not Fun! (ft. Sam Crabbe): 🚨 A WEST AND AMANDA EMERGENCY EPISODE🚨
79 min
•Mar 31, 20262 months agoSummary
Hosts Kara Berry and Sam Crabbe discuss the confirmed relationship between Summer House cast members West Wilson and Amanda Batula, analyzing the betrayal of Sierra Miller, the timeline of their connection, and the implications for the cast's dynamics and upcoming reunion.
Insights
- Reality TV relationships built on deception and betrayal of close friendships face immediate public backlash and credibility challenges that generic apology statements cannot overcome
- Black women in interracial relationships on reality TV face disproportionate scrutiny and are often held responsible for their partners' actions in ways their white counterparts are not
- Vague, non-apologetic statements using 'we' language and passive construction signal insincerity and can amplify rather than mitigate public perception of wrongdoing
- Cast dynamics and show quality are directly threatened when core friendships are fractured by romantic entanglement, particularly when deception is involved
- Social media behavior and off-camera interactions often precede and reveal romantic connections before official announcements, making transparency increasingly difficult
Trends
Reality TV cast members using carefully worded joint statements to minimize accountability while acknowledging rumorsIncreased public scrutiny of interracial relationship dynamics on reality television and racial double standards in accountabilitySocial media forensics by audiences to identify relationship timelines through Instagram activity, outfit matching, and location patternsFracturing of established reality TV ensembles due to romantic betrayals between cast members and their partners' close friendsStrategic timing of relationship announcements to manage PR and public perception during active show seasonsAudience demand for authentic apologies and accountability rather than corporate-style non-apology statements from reality personalitiesComparison of current reality TV scandals to historical precedents (Scandival, Tom and Raquel) to predict cast trajectory and longevity
Topics
Reality TV relationship ethics and transparencyInterracial relationship dynamics on televisionFriendship betrayal in close-knit social groupsPublic apology strategy and accountability messagingSocial media behavior as relationship evidenceCast dynamics and show sustainabilityRace and gender dynamics in reality televisionReunion format and seating arrangementsCodependency in romantic relationshipsWhite allyship and Black women's supportReality TV cast member accountabilityTimeline reconstruction from public evidenceSeparation and divorce on reality televisionProtective friendships and loyaltyMedia training and public statement crafting
Companies
Bravo
Network producing Summer House and Winter House reality TV series where the scandal involving cast members occurred
Page Six
Tabloid outlet that received and published photos of Sierra Miller after the relationship news broke
TMZ
Entertainment news outlet reporting on whether cameras would film Sierra Miller's reaction to the scandal
Marie Claire
Magazine that published Amanda Batula interview where she discussed her relationship and personal growth
Edie Parker
Fashion brand that quickly removed Amanda Batula from advertising campaign following relationship scandal
BetterHelp
Online therapy platform sponsoring the podcast episode
IG (Saxo Bank)
Investment trading platform sponsoring the podcast episode
People
West Wilson
Summer House cast member in confirmed relationship with Amanda Batula, previously dated Sierra Miller
Amanda Batula
Summer House cast member in relationship with West Wilson, married to Kyle Cooke, best friend to Sierra Miller
Sierra Miller
Summer House cast member betrayed by West Wilson and Amanda Batula's secret relationship
Kyle Cooke
Amanda Batula's husband, Summer House cast member, announced separation from Amanda
Kara Berry
Host of the podcast episode analyzing the Summer House scandal
Sam Crabbe
Guest co-host discussing the Summer House relationship scandal and cast dynamics
Paige DeSorbo
Summer House cast member and close friend to both Sierra Miller and Amanda Batula
Carl Radke
Summer House cast member who officiated Kyle and Amanda's wedding, defended Sierra
KJ
Summer House cast member and West Wilson's friend, appeared on Watch What Happens Live
Jesse Solomon
Summer House cast member involved in confrontation with West Wilson over Amanda
Andy Cohen
Host of Watch What Happens Live where Kyle Cooke was questioned about West and Amanda rumors
Danny Pellegrino
Guest on Watch What Happens Live who was asked about West and Amanda kiss rumors
Rachel Lindsey
Podcast host suggested as potential interviewer for Sierra Miller to discuss the scandal
Simone Sanders
Guest on Watch What Happens Live who recognized West Wilson's evasive answers about Amanda
Dave Portnoy
Mentioned as source claiming Chicken Fry told him about West and Amanda at Super Bowl in February
Andrew Schultz
Comedian West Wilson defended on Twitter regarding political views and redemption
Jalen Hurts
Suggested as ideal dating prospect for Sierra Miller by podcast hosts
Quotes
"Summer should be fun. Amanda? Westling? Not fucking fun. I'm mad."
Kara Berry•Opening
"We've shown up for each other as friends over the years all two and a half that we've known them through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected."
West Wilson and Amanda Batula (joint statement)•Mid-episode
"You do not do that shit for a woman unless you're like invested emotionally. Yeah. Like you're really invested."
Sam Crabbe (paraphrasing her fiancé's observation)•Analysis section
"We cannot hold Sierra responsible for these two people's actions. And I fear that black women get a lot of tough love when it comes to their romantic choices, especially when it's interracial."
Kara Berry•Late episode
"This relationship is not going to last past September. What was it worth?"
Kara Berry•Speculation section
Full Transcript
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What was your reaction to the West and Amanda rumors? I mean, I kind of thought I was outrageous, like, you know, for it to go as long as it has in the news cycles, kind of shocking. But no, I don't think there's any merit to it. If you found out that it was true, would you be upset? It would certainly catch me by surprise and feel a little reckless. And I think I'd probably be the last person people would be worried about. I think Sierra would probably have something to say. But if it made Amanda happy, I think I just would have to vote yay. So no, no truth at all. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode here at Everyone's Business, But Mine, an emergency episode because guess what? Summer should be fun. Amanda? Westling? Not fucking fun. I'm mad. We have to ride for Sierra Miller. And what better than one black woman than two? Welcome to the stage, Sam. Hi, girl. It's time to pop off. It's time to let the chopper spray. I'm fully locked and loaded. Okay, we... I don't even know what to say. I don't even know where to start. I told you just a second ago that I had like written just things that I needed to remember in the inevitability of this coming out. Also, I would like to let you guys know that I had messaged Sam a couple days ago at this point. I was like, hey, girl, I'm going to need you to be on ready, but I don't want to put too much pressure on you until I can absolutely confirm to the best of my ability that Amanda and West are actually hooking up. And so I DM'd you and I was like, well, you're going to have to be ready because it's true. The rumors and laxiness are actually true. These two are... I don't even know if we could say dating because they didn't really say what the hell they're doing or what they're thinking. So I think I can say that nobody as of now has any true receipt in terms of a photo, video evidence, as far as I know, in terms of what's going down with the group chats in the content creator world. But what I do know is that all of us have basically gotten pretty good trust me, bro information from people that we all respect, people that come from different aspects of the world that are connected to members of the summer house cast, either through personal connection or business connection, things that don't have to do with the actual show, or some people that do. But there was nothing like truly like, hey, we can drop this other than like, you know, I heard from a friend from a friend, same thing screenshots that we've all been getting. But then Amanda and West went on their Instagram stories for this bullshit. And it goes a little something like this. I'm like laughing because this is so crazy. Okay. As we know, when something is serious and we want to be taken seriously, we're sending a color story on our Instagram. So black background, white font. We've seen we do you want to just can you do me a favor Sam, can we just do like a quick count for me on the weeds that are in this message? Can you just like count as I'm going? Okay, thank you. I'm going to take marks and everything. Oh, okay. All right, you ready because we're going to we're starting off strong. All right, we we've seen the growing online spec speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention you can throw our in there as well. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show. We needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years all two and a half that we've known them through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us. Tech that on expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine long standing friendship which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. Our feelings evolved. We wanted to take the time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this whatever this is. This is about the most vague but like fuck it. We're doing it I guess. Message that I've ever seen like at least I know I'm about to say scan of all several times despite the fact that I really don't want to. But at least Tom and Raquel kind of sorter pretended like they were in love. It was mostly Molly but at least say could tell us we had feelings for each other. Well let's. I'm about you know who's to say that there aren't hard drugs involved here. Let's be real. Well there better be. Oh what. At this point there better be allegedly. Okay. No all alleged. Okay. So I feel like we have to like go back in time now that it seems like this is I mean they're calling it a short thing. But it seems like there's like a lot of legs to this situation. Okay. I feel like the things that we've seen from especially last week's episode are so wild in terms of we have this race conversation where Sierra tells everybody very openly and vulnerably about the impact of her relationship with West and the fact that it was an interracial relationship and the fact that she got a lot of blowback and a lot of people being very tough on her for you know let's just say letting a white man play her. Because that's basically the narrative right. And with that we saw in response to this in real time West talking about the impact that he received and the racial comments that I guess he got and his family got for the relationship now he didn't really specify like was this before. When in the time you call before New York Times was this post New York Times correct like yeah there when there's no specificity to something I'm immediately like. Okay excuses. Right. So with that we in the same night. The same night. The same night. See Kyle go on a really unprovoked and inappropriate lash out toward Amanda and which he's acting like a true bitch baby I mean that's undeniable. And he said some very inappropriate and unkind words to her that were not fair. Who comes to the rescue who who despite we've seen now probably more time of West having communication issues and his ability to share his feelings with Sierra. Suddenly have all of the energy in the world to come and to protect Amanda. Is it not deserved. Of course not. But under the guise of like now what we see is just very interesting. Which you know creates a broader conversation about race and interracial dynamics again. Then we also see in last week's episode. Him saying I'm going to make sure that Kyle knows. That like I'm not even gonna let him forget I don't know if he was too drunk to remember what he said. But I'm certainly going to be circling back on this at a later point. And the only reason why I'm not is because Amanda told me it's his birthday. Let's just keep it cute. And then we have a conversation with West and Jesse at the end of last week's episode in which West was asking Jesse in the years that we've known Amanda and Kyle have you ever seen an actual reason for them to be together. Listen, is this a question I've also been asking yes but I'm not fucking Amanda. Okay, so it's different. I'm not fucking Amanda and I've been here longer than you West. Hello, this is my family. Not yours. I can say this. You can't say that. You have not put in enough work to be able to say things like this. Right. So then at the very end of the episode, he's getting a confessional interview in which he is really like, oh, if you're giving a gift, you're a fucking asshole. Only assholes give gifts to their wives. That means you're a bad person. There's just like a lot of energy toward that and that statement that really pushes back the timeline. Maybe we weren't getting physical, but there are definitely feelings there going between West and Amanda last summer. I think that's very clear. Yeah, I think so. We all know that the rumors and everything have been going around for quite a bit. I saw them as just an observer and a watcher. I thought it was odd, not odd, but interesting that she was spending so much time with West on Instagram. Over the course of the fall and the winter. Right. They were hanging out. And as I said, what I thought was innocently last week, if you understand the geography of where Kyle and Amanda lived versus where she was hanging out, it's basically like you're going from couples, double date, mature dinners to hanging out at a sports bar at two o'clock in the afternoon on a Saturday. Does Amanda like sports? No, she doesn't. And I should have thought about that more. Yeah. The signs were there. She was playing in our face, quite honestly. And it really was not until this last episode where my fiance and I are watching it and he hears about all this stuff from me. But the way that West, his energy, my fiance was like, oh, there it is. There it is. He's like, you do not do that shit for a woman. He's like, I'm so sorry. He's like, you don't do that shit for a woman unless you're like invested emotionally. Yeah. Like you're really invested. And we've never seen, we've never seen West this invested in what Kyle and Amanda are going through. And I know that that's not the first fight they've ever had in front of him. No. It's not. And, you know, I could say, like, again, as a watcher that I don't even think that that was Kyle's worst showing. Like, you know what I mean? Like it just didn't, it didn't jump out to me as like, this is the worst that Kyle has ever been. So what about it said to West that like, not only did he have to come for Amanda, but that he had to take responsibility essentially for like guiding Kyle to, you know, some sort of like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry, I fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. And like really, because it seems like he feels a responsibility to wait way more than any of the other guys. Right. Yeah. Carl, like Carl has been there since day one and you don't see Carl being told about this and saying like, Kyle, you got to say sorry. Right. You know, Did he officiate the wedding? Yes. He did. Yeah. Like of all the men in the house, like he is really top of the list because like, yeah, when you officiate someone's wedding in a way, you know, you feel invested in it, but you don't even see Carl going in that much. No, no, not from what we've seen. Um, so yeah, I mean, like you, I think we were watching the social media behavior and thinking like, Oh, good for her. Like the anti-depressants are working. She's getting outside a little bit more. Like she's being more social seems like she's got a group of friends in West and, you know, whoever else these other people are. And that seems like very nice for her. Very cute. Not cute. This is like, Wait, do you remember, do you remember seeing one of her posts because I remember sending it to my group chat and I was like, girl, who are you holding hands with that one picture of her holding hands with somebody and like playing handsies with and it was definitely a man's hand. But I couldn't tell who it was. I don't remember that. Yes. And I remember being like, and I remember sending it to my group chat and I was like, okay, Amanda. Mmm. So I mean, yeah, there has been rumors about her dating one of West's friends. Um, because people were doing like over the past month, like, Oh, we're noticing she's wearing this and he's been wearing that like sharing outfits, not with West. That's the whole other chapter as it turns out. This is with the nut the other dude. There's a guy with a mustache around in that circle that people have been thinking, Oh, this is who. Yeah, but it's him. Yes. Um, that Amanda's been dating. Another very interesting thing to me is when Danny Pellegrino was on Watch What Happens Live with Kyle, something really, because he was asked about, you know, certain rumors about the kiss between West and Amanda that was going around. Was that the rumor at the time? There was something, but he was asked about it. And what stuck out to me is that Kyle's like, well, I don't really believe that there's anything going on, but it is interesting to me that it's been in the cycle this long. And like, there's been no, you know, comments on either end of that. Mm hmm. He's like, that part is kind of weird. Um, but then Andy does ask him, okay, well, what if the rumors are true? How would you feel? Kyle says, you know, it would be a little bit jarring, but I guess like if they're truly happy, I would be happy for them. I don't think, think he's happy for them at this point because it kind of seems like everything went down on Sunday in terms of like the cast finding out for real for real. That's what it got to me because I noticed on threads, shout out to two judgy girls that they had posted something about in the midst of like all these rumors. How interesting it is that through this whole conversation, nobody's really wondering how Kyle's feelings are in this because, you know, they're married. So technically, literally, did we not just put out the separation announcement in a joint statement? When? Shout out to sell. Shout out to sell because that real this piece of information really crap. Amanda has now put out two statements to joint statements with two different men in the span of three months with regard to their relationship. Like, yo, that's that's what's frying me. Like fried. That's exactly right. Like, I am girl. You're a. Oh, so when two judgy girls have posted like, oh, nobody's really thinking about Kyle, I noticed on Sunday and I had texted Courtney from two judgy girls like girl, did you see this? It kind of responded to this with a little teardrop, smiley face emoji. The blonde man raising his hand. And we me Courtney had been texting each other all day like, okay, what do you think? I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. And then I texted that and like girl, she said, I don't believe it. And I said, no, I think this is confirmation. That was like, to me, Kyle found out that we were talking about this and that this was buzzing more. He then found out what happened. And then went on threads, searched his name, and was like, oh, I'm going to put my hat into the ring and what you guys know that I'm upset. And then what happened for me is Lindsay's posting a screenshot from this season of her looking disgusted. And then Carl, and then KJ, and then Bailey. Dog, like I, this is really, really blowing me. I'm also thinking about KJ going on launch what happens live. And Andy asking him about the race conversation and whether or not he felt like West was ready to be in a relationship with Sierra to which he said no, I think he's got some more growing up to do. And what else? And then he thought the apology was. Me on West. Very meh. Yes. Yeah, like he could have done better. And same. And same. Correct. Correct. So to know, you know, now that KJ is my little brother. Um, to know that like he was brought on the show as West friend, like however tenuous these like, he's my friend, things are in reality TV. Um, this has to be so. Like I can't imagine how KJ feels, you know, what the fuck are you doing, bro? Yeah. I know he's disappointed. He feels things very deeply. Um, you know, every time I talk about him, I'm like sweet baby KJ. Um, he feels things so deeply. And so I don't know if you've, again, if you've seen, he posted on Instagram stories, the picture of him, Mia and Sierra from last week of them in the grass and happier times. Yeah. Sometimes we're simple. And it's just saying, you know, like I love my big cities for life. Yeah. Those are his girls. Those are his girls. Now, okay, going back to the statement, um, where the hell did my phone go? Going back to the statement that West and Amanda both posted, we, which are we 16 times. Thank you. Thank you for that total. Not 16 carriages as Beyonce would have. But now I didn't ask you to do this beforehand, but I'm looking back and I'm not seeing. Sorry. Not, not one sorry. I'm not seeing one apology. Apology. Apologize. Not one sense of regret. Um, not one sense of sorry, you feel that way. Not even a so sorry you're hurt. I feel bad that you are hurt. Uh, it is we, we, we a we ass statement. We, we, we all the way home. It is, uh, you know, it, you know, it starts with like, it's not our intention to hurt people. Okay. Well, that's a general sentiment for a lot of people. You know, we don't go into this opera, you know, things actively wanting to hurt people. So that's like, I, I can't give you anything for that. I can't give you anything for you deciding that you guys needed to, it's not a lie by not telling everybody. It's that we needed to figure it out. We deserved clarity to figure it out and not, we deserve to give people honesty while we figure it out. This was, oh, we're on reality TV. So we know about the public scrutiny. That seems to be the main concern. We're public figures. We don't want to get lashed out at. And so we have decided to lie to our closest friend allegedly and several people in our, in our circle while we figure out whatever the fuck this is in our little love bubble. Great. And then a testament to how great their relationship has been over the years, how strong and how steadfast. And God, Amanda, do you think that's because he was dating your best friend? So we thought that might be the reason why y'all had such a strong relationship. Why you knew him to that deep level in the first place. And all those times that Sierra then confided in you about who this man was, how he treated her. And then you sat there, you got up out of your seat during that race dinner conversation and rubbed her back while she cried. And you told her she's such a great friend and I'm going to be here for you forever. But y'all need a time to figure out this strong relationship that you guys had and we're supposed to walk through the highs and lows. What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, this was not expected. You guys have been doing this for months. Like come on. Okay, another episode. I feel like right before I got on here and I was like scrolling through threads and like everything was coming at once. I saw Dave Portnoy, which like, okay, hi shoe lift. What do you want? He said he was like, uh, he's like, well, chicken fry told me about this at the Super Bowl. So this is old news. Okay. So we're going back to like February, which is so interesting because everybody talking about him and Sierra being seen together at the Super Bowl. Yes. Et cetera, et cetera. So I know that like in my, you know, in my content space on my Tik Tok, I think I made a Tik Tok yesterday and I was like, listen, I'll fucking care about the west of it all to be quite honest because that's, I have not been believing what this man has been telling me to do. I haven't been like, I'm not going to pass like for this season, you know, because I kind of don't necessarily pay attention to west outside of like summer house and everything. I haven't seen it for that man since the his first reunion. Yeah. Like that's really, that was really it for me. Like, and it was over. But I find them, you know, every now and then I find them like, uh-huh, that's funny, but I'm not, I think so many people have been really glazing him and really like, you know, like, I'm like, I'm not going to do it. Now we want you back with Sierra. And I was like, are you people crazy? Like, are y'all crazy because- And I've been the absolute wettest blanket about this. Like, please don't do this. And I was so upset. It was July 31st. I went look back at it 2025 where I found out that West was doing a podcast with one of his friends from back home who was a WNBA player who just so happens to be MAGA and they were going to be doing some, oh, let's have the tough conversations because we're childhood friends, bullshit, which is nothing more than you got a deal with a podcasting company, you got a bag. And so it does not matter that you did one article about how you're like, oh, I might look like a bro, but I actually love, you know, I support abortion. My mom's a gynecologist and everybody was like, ah! Congratulations. My basement's flooded. And I was telling y'all, we cannot support and lift up expected behavior. I expect you to want to have me have freedom as a woman over my body and my bodily autonomy. You should be voting for the interest of us all. I don't give a fuck that you're doing that. That's not article worthy for me. Right. Right. So, like, to dig deeper, like, really, who is that article for? Like, it's for probably like people who are here like-minded anyway. It's not like some bro was going to read an article in a gay magazine about Wes Wilson voting left and change his mind. Like, that's not going to happen. We're not, we're not moving the needle here. I think another thing that was really just blood to me about him, and I, you know, I was on Twitter, um, randomly, I'm looking, you know, and this was, I want to say this was like maybe a month or so back. And he kind of reposted something about Andrew Schultz because, you know, Andrew Schultz comedian, whatever. And he was, you know, people were kind of going in on Andrew Schultz because, you know, he's been big maga and big talking up Trump, but now kind of regrets it is talking about it in that way. And people are like, well, fuck you, which yeah. And Wes is like, you know, basically his message was like, go easy. Don't we want people to come to this conclusion and to be on like our side? Essentially. And I was like, oh, so you're one of those. You're one of those. I was like, okay. You are that girl I thought you were. Yes. I was like in, whether it's relationships or politics, Wes does not know how to stand on business. You know what I'm saying? So like I see him for who he is and you can't have that week of a constitution and be with somebody like Sierra Miller. You know, no, no, because that girl stands on motherfucking business. Okay. And here's another thing that has pissed me off about Wes since last season is this whole I'm afraid of Sierra narrative. I can't speak around her because I'm afraid of her feelings. I'm afraid of her lashing out at me. I don't know where I stand with her. I can only talk to her when I'm drunk and at night and not during the, you know, when the Hampton sun is blazing in our backyard. Like I have hate in these little side comments about like last week where Sierra says something like, you know, if Kyle had said to me what he said to Amanda, like I would say something and they're like, yeah, we know. Okay. Well, you deserve that. Okay. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. The idea that this whole message is wrapped up in like the protection of them as individuals and as a collective, I guess, and in protection of their great friendship. This is just like so crazy. Like why do you guys need a time to understand your feelings? To me is deeply selfish because if had you told Sierra a month ago, two months ago, hey, I'm feeling some type of way. Do you think that that might have affected you guys getting together? Do you think that maybe your conscious would have kicked in and been like, this is not a great idea? Yeah. Did you consider that before you decided to keep this a secret for months? I think so. But never because, listen, so if we want to get into like the, like some of the meat and potatoes of this, I mean, this is, I will say that I've been thinking ever since I started hearing these rumors that this isn't, this isn't to the level of Scandival, first of all, right? But I do think that similarly to Scandival, it can be a Scandival level event. Where they, this has the potential to really like fracture the current cast as it is. And like, this is the kind of thing that makes people choose sides and kind of brings a level of like tension and strife that like Scandival did for the Vanderpump Rules cast. And should be noted, because I was just thinking about this earlier today, that last season when Short was on, when Short was on and he told Amanda and Paige and Sierra, he said, you better hold on to this shit because I used to have this. I used to have this like lovely cast, like, you know, family, we fight, but we love each other. Like, you know, we're really good at the end of the day. And I used to have that. And now my whole cast hates each other, which is the truth. And I remember last year when he said that I thought to myself, I was like, well, what that happened to the Summer House cast? And at the time I said, no, I don't think it would. And the key to that would be that the women play a very different role on Summer House than the women did on Vanderpump Rules, right? Like Summer House is way more of a feminist show than Vanderpump Rules anyway, right? And the women have this ability to read their men down in such a way that other shows don't. The women at the very least are a little bit less male centered and they don't necessarily sell each other out for male validation in the way that like Ashina and Alala do. Right. However, I am here to tell you all that I was fucking wrong. Because I mean, as it stood at that time, like logistically, we could not see those coming, which kind of brings up a larger point of like, we cannot hold Sierra responsible for these two people's actions. And I fear and I feel and I talked about this last. Well, I talked about this with Benita and Sierra to a certain extent that black women get a lot of tough love when it comes to their romantic choices, especially when it's interracial. We can both speak to this on a personal level. Absolutely. You if if he was to break her heart, he was to play her for a fool. It's almost like some people interpret that as like, well, Sierra, you should have seen that coming or like Benita. A lot of people will say, Benita, you should leave Southern Charm. Sierra, I'm seeing a lot of people saying, Sierra, you should leave the show. No, she is not responsible for their behavior. This is not not like really think about Sierra was supposed to be responsible for her married homegirl, eventually breaking up with her husband, and then eventually hooking up with the dude who broke her heart. How could she possibly have predicted that? How could she be responsible for that? That's Amanda. Yeah, but like multiple things would like multiple things had to happen in order for us to get this outcome. Absolutely. Like I've definitely seen that sentiment around. And while like I get it, because I think in the past I have had times where I've been frustrated with Sierra, you know what I mean? Oh, with Austin, please. Yeah, we can't listen. You and I, we we have nothing of a liar. If I denied that, I absolutely was. We unpacked that and we're just going to have to leave it in the past. She learned from that, I think. And so, you know, but even this season, like with the whole jet, like I wasn't like not sympathetic to her, but I was frustrated with her in the sense of Sierra, like you are pretty tight with your boundary. So why aren't you being tight with somebody like Jesse? Like what is going on here? Like we got to have a stricter program going on. And so. But I fear for her in the sense that this kind of stuff causing you to have a stricter program just has the potential to like not have you be open to things that come your way. And I hope that that's not something that happened for her either on like the friendship or relationship front, you know, because it's two fronts of, wow, I got fucking play. I got played by this white guy and I got played by this white guy with one of my best friends. Yeah. I have been supporting that I have been cheering on and lifting up and speaking life into somebody said that on like a comment on one of my TikToks that like Sierra has been speaking life into Amanda this past 100% watching it in real time. She was doing it even as recent as Amanda's Marie Claire interview. Just talking about like, yeah, I just get these texts from Sierra that's just like, I love you when you're so great and you're so strong and blah, blah, and like I couldn't have done any of this without her. It's sick. Right. It's sick. It's absolutely sick. It's so unfair. It's like, I just truly cannot fathom Amanda doing this, but a lot of people have brought up the point that like we don't know single Amanda. We don't really know how she rolls in that way. And I just, I don't know. Did you? Is this surprising to you in terms of Amanda's behavior? Um, no. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't know that I would have like, again, I don't know if like at the beginning of the season that I would have predicted all of this, but, um, so the thing with Amanda, I was, so her birthday is like one or two days before mine. So we are both July, Leo's. I understand her, Kyle and Lindsay in a very specific way because the Leo connection, but specifically because Kyle and Lindsay are August Leo's, they're very different. Like they're very different from us. And so sometimes people get surprised that Amanda is a Leo, but I'm like, no, we're different in how we want to command attention and how we want attention. Like it's very different from how, like it's different from how an August Leo operates. So sometimes when Amanda has done things over the years, I think that people have wanted to just like really focus on the Kyle of it all. Even this season, there are questions and kind of observations that I have that I don't think people are talking about because Kyle is so obvious. He is so the obvious topic of conversation, but he, I like sometimes I understand what he's trying to communicate in his conversations with Amanda. And again, because there's a lot that we don't see in regards to that relationship because of the nature of the show. And so I get really frustrated because I'm like, I don't know why anybody isn't asking some of these questions or just kind of looking at their relationship a little bit more objectively on her end. Cause sometimes she, like there's, there's a sense of her that I, I could be making those choices myself, but I don't, uh, in terms of just like wanting to turn into myself and, um, you know, she hasn't been great at like speaking up for herself. She hasn't been, she's kind of been like a big people pleaser over the years. And I have had the, I've had that too. Like, but there's a way that that turns you if you don't reflect on it. And if you don't, um, kind of like acknowledge those things about yourself, like even codependency, I think that people don't acknowledge that part of Amanda too much, but I think she even said it in her Maria Claire interview. And I was like, okay, finally, because like codependency is a really, like, I, I see that a lot in her in order to feel like she has like purpose, um, in like being in this sort of relationship and things like that. Um, because I think that the audience has a view of her of like wanting her to be bigger and better. And this, you know, like, for example, this grand business person that she needs to be starting all these businesses. But meanwhile I'm looking at her and I was like, bitch, does not want to be a page. She does not want to be a hustler out here. She's going to hustle right now because she fucking has to, you know, because she's getting divorced. She's out here in the streets, like doing all these sponsorships because she's got to make money. But at the end of the day, that girl doesn't want to work. She's never wanted to work. And it wasn't, and it wasn't the depression. I'm like, for real, for real. It was not the depression. The girl does not really actually want to work. It was actually a kindness at the end of the day that she had a creative director position at her husband's startup company that she can put on her resume and basically put herself out there for any other opportunity that she could ever want. And we like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, she, she had like a very, she's had a very like good leg up in that sense. But people, I think, want to position her as a broken baby bird. And I don't think it's just the audience. I think I imagine that, like, many people within her life probably hold her to that standard as well, you know? Like, let's, she's a thin blonde white woman, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I would just like to go back to the last part of the statement because it brings up something that Vanita just posted. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end, she says, we recognize that this has been had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to be to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. But then here comes Vanita, who has stated on her Instagram story. Imagine making a statement, hard launching a, quote, connection and not even considering apologizing to the person that you hurt. So this seems very clear that they have not had a conversation. There is also a photo sent to Page Six that showed Sierra on the ground recently after this news dropped in the streets of New York, being comforted by a man, obviously very upset about what has just happened. The fact that they seemingly have not even, I mean, I'm not surprised that West hasn't had a conversation that like nobody has tried to talk to her. What do you mean? What do you mean? And I will say I got some tea that said they had not been speaking. Amanda and Sierra, they're not speaking to each other. And this was like at least a week now. But I'm just trying to figure out, OK, you guys aren't speaking. What? You didn't want to send her any kind of message before you posted this. Nothing. That heads up. This is an ad from BetterHelp. Am I forgetting something? Did I reply to that email? What am I doing? Ever feel like your mind has an inbox that never stops filling? Don't forget to reply. Some days it's not just messages. It's pressure. Did I say the wrong thing? It's doubt. Do you think they like me? It's everything at once. Therapy with BetterHelp can give you space to unpack what's weighing on you one message at a time. Get matched with a qualified therapist and start clearing your mental inbox today at BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com slash random podcast for 10 percent of your first month of online therapy. 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Like, how do we even navigate this conversation now as like. Sierra as a black woman who has done the work to be so vocal about her feelings and be so vulnerable to both of these people. It's just so disgusting. Like, I don't. It's so selfish. And I think, again, it just like highlights why these two were in an echo chamber with the echo chamber with each other, trying to find any sort of way to justify this relationship is being so special that it's worth this because. Let's be real. Amanda and Kyle, if I were to look at anybody on two people on this cast in New York State, who would be the least equipped to handle a public drama? It would be those two. It would certainly be Amanda. And we already know that West, you know, is like Tinkerbell. Yeah, living and dying on the applause of people. So why the fuck did you guys? What did you think was going to become of this? Again, this is very Tom and Raquel, just two little crackheads looking at each other and being like, we love each other so much. And like, this is going to be worth it in the end. Like, it's going to be OK. It's not OK. Oh, my gosh. I think here's the question. How long are they going to have to date in order for like them to think that we've all forgotten about this and then they can like break up and move on? Y'all aren't getting married. Oh, my God. Y'all want to fuck? Amanda, there are so many dudes. I could tell you five men who live across the building, the building crossed away, they look just like West, girl. Just like West and. I like having a good time. You know, Dara said it best. West is probably like the best guy in the world. Yeah, yeah. Unless you're in love with him. Unless you're in love with him, like unless you're into him in that sort of way. I that also said so much to me because I was like, oh, girl, you had basically the exact same experience as Sierra, except. Y'all weren't on a TV show together and in the public eye. So I feel like she she really illuminated it for for everybody. And people still a lot of people still weren't getting the point. I was like, no, y'all, like this man is on serious when it comes to relationships. We got to let him go. You have to. And honestly, I think the public guy probably had to do with his breakup with Dara, too. He probably knew I'm probably about to be on summer house. Shout out to Ben. I got to go. I have to go. You know, the way OK, the way I'm on, you know, my my conference call with my, you know, my couple friends, my fiance's like he lunch in the living room all of us at the same time. Like he was fucking his mates, misses, like all of us at the same time. Hello. And you had the nerve to giggle at that. No wonder you were giggly, Swad. You were probably nervous laughing. Oh, my God. Fucking me, mates, misses. Yeah, fucking your mates, misses. It was it was West all along. It was West all along. Justice for Ben. Hello. Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Shout out to Chai, who bullied Bailey into saying something. The girl, don't be quiet now, right? Because you be paying attention a lot to what Amanda, how Amanda's being treated, what Amanda's doing. Who she flirting with. Hello. How'd you not see this? You paying so much attention to Ben. Hello. So, my God, I I like really like don't know what to do. I've already seen tonight's episode, so I am very much like I said this on social media. We typically get the screeners on Fridays we have so far, but then this whole weekend we didn't get anything. And I'm like, Oh, God, what's going on? Got them Monday and I'm looking at things and I'm like, well, on the one hand, like, who knows if they were in the editing bay all weekend trying to add stuff. But on the other hand, materials, material, you either have it or you don't. You know, so you can't you can't make this shit about it in there. You cannot. You can't. You can't. The footage is the footage. The footage is the footage. The cameras don't lie. Oh, my God. So like, here's my thing is like, what do we do with in the city? What is like, is this going to be like relevant information? Because I'm already thinking watching this season of Summer House. This relationship was dead to the bed. Kyle and Amanda. Yeah, dead on arrival. Dead on arrival. Doa and something even drive. Y'all didn't even leave the island of Manhattan together. My I think my curiosity within the city because, you know, according to their timeline that through that, like, you know, by the end of filming that they decided to live apart and, you know, continue to date each other, which. Mm hmm. So I'm I think I'm curious at the end of the day, like how much worse it gets. And since Sierra and West are not, you know, focal points of, you know, this spinoff and everything, I guess just continuing to see how Amanda, like talks about the end of this relationship is what's interesting. I not even that interesting. It's not interesting to me because really all she is is like complaining. I didn't marry a DJ. I'm like, are you looking at Kyle Cook? Like, have you met your husband? Right. That's that's been my thing the past like, but I'm like, girl, you don't. Do you know your husband? Because unfortunately, Kyle has all of the personality traits to be a DJ. So sorry. So sorry. Take the you can even take the drinking out of it. And Alexi X, you know, he's the 365 party girl. He really like he really is. So I don't know why you're surprised. 365 lover boy. Yeah. So obvious to me, obviously to me, even though a lot of people are like, Sierra, get out of the show. I think clearly custody of the summer house 2026 goes to Kyle and Sierra. Right. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I appreciate one thing that Kyle said when they did ask him about this is that he's like, oh, no, he's like, I'm not the one that you all have to worry about, like, if this is true, it's Sierra. He knows, like, and, you know, I'm I'm a B. I'm going to be the one. Because I know people are like forget, you know, who cares about how Kyle feels and all that stuff. But. Can I just say that Kyle has been a way more consistent care of what happens to Sierra than like maybe Amanda has? Because what I think really deeply on it, right? And, you know, we've all been doing some reflecting this week. When I think about the trio friendship, like the girlhood of summer house, as we call it, when I think about like Paige last season, her going through her thing with Craig, Amanda was like running around having fun all last season. But it was Sierra in the bed with her crying. You know what I mean? She was trying to process whether or not she actually wanted to be in this relationship when Sierra has been, you know, having these heart to hearts and like really crying over West and really trying to like process that shit. Most of the time it was with Paige. Like 75 percent of the time, Amanda would be there incidentally sometimes, you know. And then on the other hand, Amanda for this entire time has been deeply supported and held up and spoken life into by Paige and Sierra, whether it's in the bed, whether it's in an old Navy. They are the ones trying to tell her this is who you could be without this man. Yeah. So when you get down to the brass half of it, like they are better friends to her than she was to them, like just by what we have seen in terms of footage. Who knows what that shit is like outside of the summer house and like what we don't see on footage. But if you want me to go off of what you've shown me, like Kyle is the one that at the end of the day, even from the start, even from when like it was Luke in the house was calling shit out and kind of like defending Sierra, remember how that whole fight with Luke, Carl and Kyle started. And it was because Kyle was kind of helping Sierra and calling Luke out for texting her after 9 p.m. You know, so he's really like you can say what you want about him in terms of like how he is as a partner and a husband. That's absolutely true. He's a terrible husband. The man should never get married again, quite honestly. I think he's better off single, better off, better off as a bachelor for the rest of his life. But in terms of being like a friend and an ally, he has been so consistent in that. And I don't forget that shit. I hate that shit. So, you know, and I think something my friends and I were just talking about before I got on here, too, like something that I think is interesting about Amanda is like I've never quite understood where she stands on most things. Right. She's a little bit of a blank slate to me. So it's another reason why like I don't know that I can be super surprised by her pulling this move, because when somebody is a blank slate in the way that she is, it's because they're kind of like capable of anything. And like they there's, you know, dark sides hidden to them or whatever, that they're just not it's not being revealed until like the proper moment. And, you know, again, I can only directly compare her to her husband. But like, I know where Kyle stands on like many issues of the world. You know, he's very clear on like where he stands. Sierra, very clear on where she stands, even within the race conversation that happened a couple of weeks ago. Yes, she padded Sierra on her back and was like comforting her silently. But when it came time for her to speak, it was we're a family. Let's treat each other like family and not talk to the press. Which one does that have to do with race? And then you shifted over like, let's talk about me and say something nice about me. You know, you're being funny. It's your, you know, blah, blah, blah. But there's nothing of her like there's nothing for her to contribute in that sense, because I don't know that this is something that she really thinks about. You don't see other black people other than the women that she was on Summer House with on her Instagram page. Yeah. Oh my God. I've been friends with enough like, listen, I've grown up with white women. So I feel like I have an expertise in being able to talk about this. Right. Like when you like she. Like it just something about this can't be surprising to me because at the end of the day, she I don't know that she has like the self-awareness and has the ability to really like self reflect and be a strong allied friend to a black woman to not screw her over like this. Clearly not. She really does it. And she's she is truly exemplified. So if you as listener, listener, if you are surprised and deeply troubled by the fact that she did this, right? And you're a white woman. I encourage you, you know, as usual to just like reflect on what that means for your own self, right? And not in a mean way, not in a mean way, but just in the like, like, I mean, you're trash like Amanda too. No, that's right. That's not what I'm saying. But just to take some self reflection on like, do I do I try to compare my worthiness to other black women? You know what I mean? How do I support them? Right? Not just on like, world issues, but how do I support them in being able to feel and like making them feel seen and making them feel comfortable within, you know, just every day of society? Right. Right. It really like it comes down to that. It's certainly more than a pat on the back, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, the way the tables have turned. One thing about them. One thing about them tables. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. Um. Jesse Solomon. You're not the you're not the biggest loser. So congratulations. I might listen to about 30 seconds of your song show. The way, you know, you know what, Kyle, pull up to Philly for a DJ gig. Oh, my God. So we're coming up on the reunion. What the fuck were they like? Y'all couldn't even finish out the season. If you were going to lie, just keep it all. Could have gone away with it, too. If it wasn't for us meddling kids, huh? Oh, my God. I am wondering what are we going to do for Coachella? What are we doing for the reunion? What's the seating chart going to look like? Or West? It's going to be West and Amanda. Who? OK, so it's obviously it's going to be West, Amanda, Sierra and Kyle, right? That's that's the big four. Yeah. Are we doing OK? So we got to be like Kyle and Amanda first, West and Sierra, second chair, right on either side? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're going to put them. Oh, they're going to put them next to each other. Yep. Oh, that's sick. I know because they're going to have to. Oh, God. I'm wondering who are they going to make sit next to West? Jesse, I guess, feel like Jesse doesn't deserve third chair. No, he doesn't. Maybe KJ. No, don't do that. I'll do that. Oh, my God. There's you know what? Every time I've been doing my power rankings on TikTok, the way I have to stare at the fucking like cast picture as I just is like, I'm like, who am I forgetting? They might have to put Levi there just for the vibes. A real neutral party, a little. Who was it? You can go free space for you. Sorry, Levi. This is this is what you were made for in terms of the show. You're going to be the bumper girl. Welcome to the third chair. Oh, my God. So, yeah, I just like I truly don't know where these two losers go from here. Edie Parker, girl, Amanda just dropped a ad with Edie Parker. They snatched that cat back so fast. And they never mind. We're going to show you a different model. And if you want this shirt, you can see it on her, not the other one. It took an hour and a half. They said a lot can change in a day. Oh, we can get a minute. Whole life can change in a minute. Who are all? Yo, the thing is, Amanda was about to go on a generational run in terms of like post separation divorce. Hello. Hello. Because the minute the minute she announced that they announced that separation and the next day I'm like seeing, you know, her little sponsored ass. And I was like, somebody got their fucking ass up and start working. OK, like we're out here. We're out here. Because like the thing is, you could have you could have been with anybody else. And it would have been like a celebrated because literally. Look at what anyone did. She got herself a new man and it was like, girl, you get it. We were so happy. So we know that's not the problem. We all have been Carl. Carl would have been a better option. If you were going to do it. And that would have made sense and that would have made sense in accordance to all the bullshit that, you know, she's been saying for the past how many years about Kyle. And I mean, like I'm not calling it bullshit. Like it's a valid thing to be saying. But I'm like, how are you going to be yelling at this man all the goddamn time about being home, about not drinking, about not being outside? You picked the second most outside man on that cast. Ran through. And for what? Like, that's another thing that's really blowing me. Like, again, you're not going to marry this dude. This relationship is not going to last past September. What was it worth? I was going to say, let's put our official like if we're putting like official, let's bet on it. We're wearing matching Christmas sweaters with Frank at the holidays. Be real. It's not going to happen. He's not having martinis with whatever Amanda's mom's name is. Carol, probably, I don't know. Oh, my God, he's she said her name the other day during her like birthday episode, and I remember thinking like, oh, of course, that would be her mom's name. But now I forget it. Every time you go to the parents' house, you're going to look at that lawn and see where she got married to Kyle. Dummy. That big tech. Mm. What a beautiful wedding backyard, beautiful backyard wedding. You can't get married there. That's sacred ground, sort of. Oh, my God. You know what I am, I'm praying for Frank because. I know he was feeling like we are free at last. This is an ad from Better Help. Am I forgetting something? 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Side eyeing him like, sir. I'm trying to like, what do you think his. Look was in this like what is thinking? What do you think is thinking one? Like it's giving very much. White night. Is that a KKK? Well, the night in shining armor. That's what I meant. I'm shining armor. Oh, my God. I like I'm really trying to think like how was what was his thinking? What was her thinking? I can see if you were to meet a guy like West, like without the Sierra of it all. It completely makes sense that this would be her next move. But we're not living in that reality. Yeah. Yeah. And like, unfortunately, this is the life you chose as being a reality TV girly as, you know, in terms of the friendships that you have made. And so for some, they might think, oh, yeah, she deserves this. She should be able to do whatever she wants. Guess what? Guys, life is not fair. With great power comes great responsibility. And no, if yes, you can do whatever you want. She still can. She clearly is. But it comes with consequences. These are the consequences. People can be shitting on her for the next like couple of a few couple months. You expecting understanding and respect in this moment? Like I'll give you as much as you deserve, but I feel like you're going to be surprised that that's none. Yeah, I ain't got it. I ain't got it for Amanda. She I was like, I felt bad for her in the context to a certain extent in the context of her relationship with Kyle. But again, as I, you know, in my exposition earlier, like I I've always been like, Amanda is going to be fine. Like Amanda is in this marriage because she is making an active choice to be in this marriage, just like she is making an active choice now to do whatever it is that she's doing with West. So I hope that the audience is like, again, you have to understand that like her she has a high level of agency. You know, she is making very active choices within her life. And you have to take those choices for what they are. Active, conscious, intentional choices that have been going on for months now, in secret, sort of hiding in plain sight, as it seems. Yeah, I just this is like so vile. And, you know, I'm glad you didn't get a glamour magazine interview because now you don't deserve it. You know, Amanda, Ariana got one post break up. Lindsay got one. I don't know if they had cameras up on you, but now you're never going to get one. Yeah, do you think they're going to they're going to put cameras up? I would assume well, interestingly enough, TMZ just said no, they're not going to. But I find that really interesting. Oh, I can imagine that would only be at the request of Sierra. Like I just don't want to do this. Yeah, yeah, I could see that. Like, you know, is. Is it's hard, because I know that she is she is feeling some type of way right now. And she she can only I'm like, I love that the people in her life are essentially like speaking for her in terms of like sending her like love and support and adoration and everything. And because like she can't do too much, she can't do too much in terms of how like maybe Ariana did or how Lindsay did, right? Because people do what, you know, people do see them as like true heartbroken people because of the status of their relationships with their men at the time. Yeah, they're going to be an R and will continue to be a lot of people being like, well, whatever Weston, Sierra had with Sierra, well, whatever Weston, Sierra had was just a fling because y'all haven't seen with your two eyes, their serious the serious parts of their relationship because it wasn't really caught on camera. Yeah. So I don't know why people refuse to believe that as a truth, even though it has been explicitly stated several times. But here we are. But I think it's been explicitly stated by her. But I think that West in doing what he has done has done a really good job of minimizing it, you know, which is like his own brand of, you know, PR, in a sense, to kind of like get the heat off of him so that he could go be a player. And but we know, like, I think we because we use logical reasoning. Like to me, you don't go to like you don't go to a woman's place to boo who cry about your friend dying unless you feel something really intimate with her. You can't like, I will not argue with you. Like there are people already like that were in my tiktok comments. Like it was a fling. And I was like, I'm not arguing with you about this. Again, the man was boo who cried on her bed about his friend dying. Yeah. He brought her to family weddings. He brought her to meet his family. Like she spent time with his family in a serious way. That was that was his girlfriend. So sorry. That was his girlfriend. Yeah, I recall what it was. 100%. And yeah, I'm just like, I feel very much like, yeah, the fact that we didn't really see their relationship on camera is, you know, I'm putting my my tin foil hat on about that too, West. Now I'm thinking a lot. Oh my God. So yeah, Amanda Petula, certified loser, West William certified double loser. Um, Sierra Miller, winner forever. And do you have any final thoughts? Like I'm just like blown. Yeah, I'm so stupid. I'm just I was really I was really holding out hope. I think after like our conversations and just again, me just using deductive reasoning, I was like 95% confident that this was a thing. And so, um, but even that 5% was so strong of it wanting it to not be a thing because I just again, this is the kind of thing that ruins a good show in a sense. Yeah. And ruins a good season. And I don't like, I love the show. I call them my summer dummies for a reason. Like, and I say that with so much love. Like, I think they're all so like together as a group, like you're so dumb, but like in a great way, right? Yeah. And watching it is so it's so fun every single week. And so this is the shit I don't want to see. Right. Amanda's, Amanda's already ruining this summer for me. Causing fights with her husband during dinners where if that were me in the middle of that dinner, I would have been like, bitch, shut up. Of course, the man or shut the fuck up. But now we got to do this because you wanted to fuck all West Wilson. Oh, I can't, you know, I just I am I'm a I'm ashamed of my of my my fellow July Lydia, I want y'all to know because I've already seen some some Leo slander. We ain't all like this. Some of us. Shout out to a noted Leah Ira Madison, who's actually living for this. Yes. He is, but you know what? He's right because you know what? You need us like. Oh, I'm going to Kyle Lindsey. It's like they run this shit. Like, oh, and I like I love it on the Kyle Lindsey side. Absolutely. But I think there's just something so sinister from the way I'm banded is doing it because has she been like a driving force on Summerhouse for the past like ten seasons? No, she is not. But this is the way that she chooses to do it. Girl, go on. Yeah, going out. Realist. Come on. So again, we are not all like this. Some of us reflect on our choices, go to therapy. You're what our therapist is saying. Reflect on those choices and change them. I'm so stressed out. Do you think we're going to get let me just can you just close your eyes real quick? Everybody pray. No buddies, cheeks sit down with Mr. Vile behind this girl. I'm talking about him to this very second that you said that I need every witch like your candle. Do not let Sierra talk to Nick Vile about this. The other two I don't care. Y'all actually deserve him, but don't let Sierra. I'll do a call her daddy. I know, you know, I guess, you know, I honestly, Rachel Lindsey, somebody get her on with Rachel Lindsay. Rachel Lindsey, yes. Get her on. Yeah, she's got her Bravo pod. She's got higher learning. I know Rachel's already like, she already made a comment about this. She's been she's been tuned in. She's been like, mm-mm, the most unprotected, disrespected demographic. The black woman. And it's proven, unfortunately, all the time. I actually think they would have a really great conversation. They would have an amazing conversation. I want to put that out into the universe. Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, Sierra, we love you, girl. We love you. Don't get him, Tiger. Love you down. I'm trying to think you already were a revenge dress down to the reunion. What else could you possibly wear? You can show up there on the jolly. She's got a fucking gag. You show up, Buck naked, girl. She's got a fucking gag. I need. Listen, who could we manifest for Sierra? Oh, designer wise, like designer, but also like a good fucking man. Like, oh, man, we need to get her like a Tyree withers to see single. How old is he? He seems like all he seems like this, like every time I see him and he's just like smiling and he seems like a sweet baby to me. Yeah, I need her a guy who's like fun. But like a fucking stack of a man. Physically, like physically. Yeah. A Jalen Hurts, like I know I'm biased. I know I'm biased because that's my QB. But Go Birds, everybody. Anyway, I know I'm biased, but a Jalen Hurts would be. Yeah. And don't be pissing me off down to the next Bravo Con and trying to hook her up with Captain Jason. Shut up. OK, we're done. No Bravo men, no more Bravo. No, I don't want anybody asking which guy on Bravo were you interested in. None of them. That's insulting at this point. None of them were like. We're bad and that's zero when it comes to the Bravo men. So fully not even Carl. And like, I love like. I love Carl, but like, that's not going to happen. That's an insurance. No, I need her height wise. We can take the height. Yes. OK, the stature of a Jalen Hurts, the height of a Carl Radke. Yes. Yes. The bank account. The bank account. Let's talk about it. I mean, Jalen Hurts, we could do that, too. We could do that. We could do that. Here's the thing, you know what? I would I always say when it comes to like dating athletes, people are like, she she should be sitting courtside at an NBA game, but I do not want that girl. Yeah, absolutely not. She's going to date an athlete. I wanted to be a baseball player. Oh, yes. Because I have what we said, like I said to my friends, like if I, you know, if you like if you're going to date an athlete, I think it should be a baseball player because like they don't have like like I feel like, you know, NFL, the CTE, that like the injuries, all that kind of stuff. True. Go of the NBA like NBA players like so much of the ego attached to that. Like, no, she don't need that. Baseball players. And this doesn't make like so much fucking money. They make so much money. And I mean, injury wise, they don't they don't have the types of injuries that the other sports have, right, all the time. And and I think they get guaranteed contracts. I'm like, yes. And like the playing time, like they're playing like, you know, she gets time to herself if she like that, you know, because, you know, they're off channel and like doing their games for like, what, three or four months, however long. They're like famous, they're like famous to a certain extent, but not too, too famous. So it doesn't really have like it doesn't always affect their ego in a certain kind of way. Yeah. So I feel like it's just like it's the best of that, like kind of you want an athlete that's making a lot of money and is fit and everything. I don't like her with a basketball player. I kind of I want her to have like her Jordan Woods era. And I would love that. But I just I'm like, it's going to be hard to find a faithful. Yes. Yes. You know, I want her to be in her Meg in the stallion. Meg Meg call Sarah. Sierra. Oh, call. No, I mean, find her a good man. Her Sierra, Sierra and Russell. Sierra's prayer, Meg's prayer, Jordan's prayer. Let's start off. I feel like Sierra, like I feel like Sierra Wilson has been hooking it out for like Normani for Meg the stallion for Oh, my God, Coco Jones. Like she's been hooking everybody. I do a good Christian ballplayer girl. Oh, my God, I would love that. She do want that. She she asked. She want a good Christian man. Um, man, like I'm thinking about like some of the men on the Eagles, like she like again, but some like some of them are married or whatever, like a Jalen, a Devonte Smith. Because he's so devoted to his, you know, his fiance and his kids and whatnot. Like she needs. Yeah. She needs like football or basketball players like them. You know what I'm saying? But that's I feel like that's so rare. So yeah. There's got to be one. We've got to be one. One less. It's probably just one there, but there probably is one. Oh, my God. Well, Sam, thank you so much. I where do we go from here? Where what do we do? I mean, I'm glad that we were able to unpack it together. Am I going to be OK? I don't know, Cara. Are any of us? I don't know. I'm sorry. Please respect my privacy. Well, well, me and Sam privately go through this together. Listen, what my last thing is like I'm doubly pissed at Amanda and West for releasing this shit when I was at the gym. I was having a nice time and I work out at the fucking Y, which was poppin poppin. I also want to shout out. Here's actually the first moment where I was like, hmm, it was a black woman. Shout out to Simone Sanders, who was at that watch. What happens live with us when he was being asked and he was stumbling through? Oh, I'm showing you're the street. So she's already done that with people, not me. And Simone's looking at him like, OK, but is she your homegirl or what? She knew. She knew. And when she knew, I was like, hmm, I'm seeing what you're saying, girl. It doesn't sound good. This is a media trained man. He works in media. He should know how to answer a question. Dummy. Oh, my God. OK, so with that being said, yeah, thank you again. I hope. I have to literally turn off and put it in the other room while I do my like, you know, I have to like work for the next few hours. And so I'm just like, oh, guys, did you have could you done this tomorrow when I'm like off for the rest of the week? God damn it. During my workout, like, bitch, I was doing leg extensions. I was focused. Oh, you were in it. I was in it and my phone. I'm wiping the sweat out of my brow and I'm like, bitch, what? I'm like in a gym full of black people because like the YMCA in my neighborhood is black as hell. Yeah, these are not black people that watch our house. It's like, God damn it. I don't wait till I get home. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, girl. Well, thank you. Not thank you, Amanda and West. Child. Y'all. Thank me for speaking, y'all. Love you. Bye.