QB & RB Rookie Preview + Height Fight! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/31

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And then these players will have new homes. And then there will be a lot of anticipation and expectation for them. And you as a fantasy player in a Redraft League, in a Dynasty League, you need familiarity with these names and the expectations and what we believe and what these two guys have done a lot of episodes of the Dynasty podcast. So you've talked through most of these names leading up to the Combine. Through the Combine weekend, we had our second release of the Dynasty Pass, so post-Combine release of the Dynasty Pass. And now it's time to finally dig in ahead of the draft and talk today. Quarterbacks and running backs. And then we'll get into wide receivers and tight ends on Thursday. Man, we really could say quarterback. We could. Yeah, we could. Of any year you could say quarterback and running backs. Where's Christian Ponder when you need him? It's kind of, it's like- I'm not sure people are still going to get drafted. It's quarterbacks. You know what I mean? It's just like a quicks on the polarization. So is that like betraying some initial thoughts on Ty Simpson and anybody else? I think it's more highlighting them. It's weird. Sometimes it does feel like the NFL does this. They fill the gap that needs to be filled with a player no matter what. Well, there's needs. I mean teams need quarterbacks. And so if you're the second best quarterback in this draft class, you're going to get that buzz. You're going to get that first round hype and- Yeah, what if- I mean, he's the second best. So what if he's- what if it's a boat? The number two pick? So we'll talk through quarterbacks. I mean, there's- Today. There was a lot of hullabaloo last week on the Twitter sphere of a particular personality with a large network and large following who was- Strong opinions. Alleging that Ty Simpson is better than Fernando Mendoza. And he texts many people who only two of them responded negatively. I don't know how much you want to get into that. But let's just- We'll leave it at that. Yeah, I won't get into it, but let's just say that this time of year, maybe this is a lesson for a newer fantasy player, not a seasoned fantasy player, or maybe even a seasoned one, there are a lot of different motivations for news to come out right now all the way to the draft. There's a lot of different motivations, right? You have players, their agents, and their people. You're talking about baseball? Get out of here. So you've got their agendas, right? Individual player agendas. You've got an agent agendas. You've got teams who have picks in certain spots that different information getting out benefits them on who falls where and what's going to happen. Every year, we are shocked in the draft when certain players are drafted at certain spots. That's because we have to literally sift through all the smoke and all the madness. Was it Wondale when he was drafted? Nobody expected him to go where he went? The Giants. That one comes to mind. It's just the Giants. No, I think you're thinking of Cadarius Tony. No, no, no. You're thinking of Daniel Jones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Might be the Giants. Yeah, I think it's kind of isolated. To the Giants. But yeah, there's just a lot of misinformation or misdirection right now. Yeah, intentional misinformation. Yeah, so. And then there are the reporters who do have connections and say they are finding out some real stuff. There's also information that is real like top 30 visits. You can you can take a look at, okay, these teams are constantly bringing in wide receivers or running backs. So there is so much information, but some of it is a straight lie on purpose. And so, yeah, you got to take everything with a grain of salt. You got to find the liars. Get rid of the liars. Well, I mean, it's all of them. But if you're, we'll give you the example because it's the Giants. The Giants have a running back room that you could go into the season with assuming health for Camp Scatiboo, Camp Scatiboo, but all reports are good so far. If the Giants go into the season with Scat, Tracy and Singletary, that's a perfectly fine running back room. I would say that's an above average, top half running back room in the league. The unit box is checked. Now, no one on that roster, as much as we love Scatiboo, he's not as good as Jeremiah Love. So we aren't saying that it's not an upgrade for the room to take Jeremiah Love at five, but it does the Giants more good for every team behind them to be, uh-oh, the Giants might take Jeremiah Love at five. Correct. We have to be prepared for that situation. So if love makes it past the times of four, we better have a package ready to go up to trade up and go get Jeremiah Love because they might take him, which I don't know. You can't eliminate options. That's the number one thing for teams. You cannot take players off your board unless you want to lower your leverage. That's their perception. Yes. Sometimes it's probably a little bit ludicrous. Like sometimes you've had the years where somebody has a franchise quarterback already and they're like, you know. And then they take like pinnocks. A couple of headlines here before we get into it. The community, you can find it. Jointhefoot.com. It's where you can become a Foot Clan supporter. Bonus weekly episodes all year long, including right now when we're down to two regular shows a week. Get a bonus episode. Learn more about that at Jointhefoot.com. If you're an ultimate Foot Clan supporter, you also get access to the Ultimate Draft Kit, which means you have access to the Dynasty Pass right now. And the post-combine release, all the post-draft release of the Dynasty Pass as well. Quick question of the day. It's a good one from that guy, 6-6-1-9-9. How come in the off season you guys reference best ball ADP, which is average draft position? That's a good and a very fair question. And the answer is honestly, because those are going on right now, they are happening, best ball drafts, best ball games. And those games are being played with entry fees. They are being played for money. So this isn't just, you know, someone's, oh, I got some time to kill. I'm going to go do a mock draft of, see what team I can build. People are spending actual money to compete in a fantasy football tournament. So that's like the most reliable data of this is how the market is set right now for the value of these particular players. Once we get into, you know, the summer months when more and more and more people are filtering back into fantasy football and they're doing their mock drafts, then we switch it over because we want to see what people in redraft are doing. But it's at this time, it is our best example because there is money behind it. It doesn't, we do always remind people that wide receivers go way earlier in best ball because that's how that tournament functions. From a roster construction perspective, it's, but it's still the order of, in position. When you're looking at wide receiver 17 versus 22, it's the earliest example we have. And really, there isn't even other ADP data, like other ADP data for normal platforms for just free, you know, sleep or ESPN Yahoo. It's, I mean, just garbage data right now. I'm not mock drafting and my job is fantasy football. No, you just can't right now before the draft, but there are players, they go out there and they draft and they play best ball. We've all played best ball and it is a fun format. It is important to recognize that it's not the same as a redraft league. The way that you win in best ball is different. The propensity towards maybe more explosive players maybe changes the gauge a little bit. So I look at it as more of a sentiment check on a player. That's fair. Then I do like the specifics of like, perfectly where they're going to end up. But yeah, once we get into the summer, we'll have actual mock draft data and we'll be able to reference that. But that's why you hear us talk about it because it's good to have information on what's happening right now. Yep. Anything else there? No. Talk some news. News and notes from around the league. The cartoon characters at the New York Jets continue to give us a good episode every week. The Jets head coach Aaron Glenn says, quote, there is no doubt about it. Geno Smith is the Jets starting quarterback. If I were him, I would have said there is a lot of doubt about this, but Geno Smith is my quarterback. What if he does it again? What if he gets, if he were to achieve the number one overall pick, does that guarantee that the next year someone that's looking to get like, I know the way. We've got to sign Geno. I mean, your odds are very good. Geno's. I can't believe teams keep believing in me. So Geno as the starting quarterback. Yeah. Because a year ago, I'll say this, a year ago we would have heard this news. It would have been an amazing full circle moment for the Jets. Yeah. Geno was coming off a pretty competent good year. We were surprised they couldn't come to an agreement with him in Seattle. Obviously, Seattle made an amazing choice. The Raiders, it didn't work out whatsoever. But a year ago, we would have been like, wow, you know what? Gary Wilson's got a quarterback. Yeah. I mean, I mean, two years ago, Geno Smith threw for 4,300 yards, looked pretty good, 70% completion percentage. Changing teams wasn't the only reason that it got worse for him. He looked really bad. I mean, his interceptions were... Worse quarterback I saw last year, other than Max Brosman. Yeah. Across the board, just terrible. And Jake Browning. I was going to throw out Justin Fields. And Justin Fields. Okay. So bottom five quarterback Andy saw last year. But it's just having said all these things, we can say the phrase, Gary Wilson may have the best quarterback of his career. It could have been going into this year. It could have been much worse for the Jets. Jason, if the Jets were starting Ty Simpson next year, I'd feel worse than Geno Smith. I don't have the list of... It's like Zach Wilson, Mike White. Mike White. Okay, there we go. So not the best. Mike White, he had Mike White. Mike White never got to be a real start. Flacco for a minute was the best he's had. Sure. That was the best run. Well, at that time, Flacco was... I'm not optimistic about anything with the Jets. I'm not... I just am not. The Steelers. We get to watch this situation transpire. Art Rooney said he expects Aaron Rodgers to decide whether he wants to re-sign with Pittsburgh before the 2026 NFL draft. Cool. I would... I would hope. Yeah, I mean, you would hope that they know what's going on. Right now, do you think Aaron Rodgers will be the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2026? Yes, I do. I do as well. There was a time in the offseason I would have probably said maybe not, but right now it feels that way and... They don't have a lot of good options, so he's there. Aaron Rodgers was so annoyed early in his career with the late game shenanigans of Brett Favre. Oh, is he going to retire? Is he going to walk away? Yeah. Oh, at the last minute he's going to sign and hold his franchise hostage and it's like... That's just what he learned. That's what dad did. You know, it's like this is... I learned it from you, dad! This isn't Aaron Rodgers' fault. I learned it from you! This is, you know, the scars of upbringing just coming back full circle. Look what I can do now. Yeah, man, you got to break the cycle. 49ers general manager John Lynch says he's quote, hopeful, tight end, George Kittle with the Achilles injury will play in week one. Wow. Hopeful, it feels like a wishful thing to say. I would agree with this specific injury his age. Now, I saw some amazing workout videos. He's doing great stuff on the upper body. But the Achilles is quite the... That's a tough recovery. Quite the injury to come back from and I am very skeptical for week one. That'll... man, if he's... if it looks like he's going to play in week one. Get... dude, you need to prepare your analysis as if all the... the buzz is going to be... He's going to make it. George Kittle's going to be ready week one. See, Jason's caught between a rock and a hard place because he's a big Kittle fan. Yes. But he's a big fan of not drafting injured players. Yes. And he's sitting there going, I do... I know. Do I break up my rules? No, I think I will be out on George Kittle. Even... He's also older. Yeah, he's older and even if George Kittle ends up getting healthy at some point this season, I do think drafting him... I mean, if he's in the 10th round, okay, sure. Yeah, what about a... I'll take two tight ends and just see if he can come out and surprise. But if he ends up being a, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh round... No, he won't come out. Yeah, no way out. I mean, Mike Evans has an impact in the red zone. Sure. In a way that they haven't had a receiver in that department since probably IU two years ago. That would factor into my thoughts too. Cameron Wolfe saying the Falcons think Michael Pinnocks will be healthy at some point in training camp. That's... that's good. There you go. At some point in 2026. At some point in 2026. Dalton Kincaid's fifth year option has been picked up by the Bills. Makes sense. And, Kelli Moore says the team and Chris Olave have had discussions about an extension. He's in the final year of his rookie contract. Boy, why does Olave feels simultaneously like he's in the final year of his rookie contract and also that he's a 16-year veteran. It feels like he... I mean, he certainly had the concussions of a 16-year-old veteran. He came in playing like a veteran. He was, you know, he was like just the perfect veteran wide receiver and then the amount of injuries he's had. You feel like he's been close to retirement multiple years in a row. So you feel like he's older than he is. But you put his numbers up against Garrett Wilson and they're better. Alright, that is going to do it for news today. We want to jump into that rookie rundown. Let's take a quick break and we'll hop right in. Alright, it's time. Hi, rookie. Welcome to the NFL. Okay, we're jumping in the 2026 rookie class quarterbacks and running backs on today's show. If you can't get enough, we have lots of resources out there. The Dynasty Pass, it's where so much time, effort, all of our rankings. You can go check that out at ultimatedraftkit.com. The Dynasty podcast, all of these prospects have had very in-depth overviews over there on that show. But we want to give all the redraft players, all the players just coming back to fantasy, a general overview about the names you need to pay attention to. Now, you alluded to it. It might just be quarterback. Fernanda Mendoza is going to be the first pick in this draft. Now, the Raiders are not the only team that needs a quarterback. The Jets, yes, Geno Smith is the answer now, I guess. But not the future. The Browns, DeSean Watson, probably not the future. The Cardinals desperately need a quarterback for the future. The Steelers, we just talked about what they're figuring out with Aaron Rodgers. And many other teams would love to pick up a talented quarterback. Now, are there talented quarterbacks available? Mendoza is going to the Raiders. That's going to be a foregone conclusion. Mendoza had a very strong year. I mean, it takes Indiana and wins the national championship completely. Unbelievable. 72% of his passes, 3,500 yards, 41 touchdowns. You know, not a nothing burger on the ground. We got, you know, 276 yards in seven rushing touchdowns. But that is definitely not his superpower. You know, if we're going to get there for Mendoza, it's going to be... It'll be on the strength of being a pocket passer. And can he have enough weapons around him? With the Raiders, I don't think they are... They're not there yet. Like Mendoza would be... It would be a very surprising top 12 quarterback for fantasy. Oh, for fantasy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that would be... I think if he can do a good job learning the game starting early, his strengths in college, processing defenses. They've said... He's not an overwhelming athlete. Right. He's a good... He was really good in the clutch, which, you know, throughout the entire season. But I think it's... In the clutch, what clutch has he ever even done? What big games? What big games? Yeah. It's the biggest game of the year. He... The Raiders have said they want to start someone else over Mendoza for a while. Well, they're not saying Mendoza because they don't give it up. Don't say who the first pick is going to be. So that is built into it of, do the Raiders want to play someone else? What did I say? Andy and I were real synced up in our... We both took a shower at the same time. It was just... It was a little weird. So Mendoza, he's interesting because he's the guy. He's the number one quarterback. You know, for... For redraft, I don't think people should be expecting much. And then dynasty comes down to like, you know, super flex leagues is do you have to take Mendoza 101 because of the value of the quarterback when a prospect like Jeremiah Love will be there? I am on the side of, you know, I'm probably going to take Jeremiah Love over Mendoza, even a super flex. But he... I don't know. This is this weird. He's the best that we have right now. Kubeak is coming in to deal with a team that was dead last in yards per game and points for a game last year. The fact that it's Kubz is a very strong check mark for some development of Mendoza. Mendoza appears to be a really solid NFL prototypical quarterback. He could be very good for the Raiders and not really great for fantasy. He's not a super mobile, you know, player that's going to go up out there and rush for 500, 800 yards that breaks fantasy. And just because a player is drafted with the first overall pick in the NFL draft at quarterback, that does not guarantee success. We don't know about Cam Ward, but you look back at who, you know, Bryce Young was that the best, you know, Baker Mayfield flamed out from, you know, his first team. You've got James Winston, like as many, far more mid picks at the 101 than the Andrew Lux and, you know, Cam Newtons and the successes, at least 50-50 if you look back at the like the last 20 years. Well, even if you take the Trevor Lawrence path, that's a long wait to fantasy relevance. Sure. He was, Mendoza over the last two seasons has been perfect in the red zone, 39 touchdowns, no interceptions. We do love that. That's amazing. The, it's just the Raiders team. That's Roger's Brady stuff. The, and the Raiders can change this in the draft, certainly, but it's like the team, the depth chart as it stands right now, Brock Bowers, elite stud. Right now, the slotted starting wide receivers are the new edition of Jalen Naylor, Trey Tucker and Jack Besh. No, it would fall in line if there's a big wide receiver name that goes there. It would certainly make things look a lot better, but maybe that's a year away too. Right. Ty Simpson is the other name that will profile today. Really. I mean, he's got one year. He's got at Alabama. 15 starts. That is. For loyalty. Huh? Right. He didn't in the NIL era where you're not getting to start. Transfer. I mean, he's been playing behind other NFL drafted quarterbacks and he. Bryce young Jalen Milrow. Yeah, exactly. And so he, he waited his turn, which is not usually the smart thing to do in today's modern NFL, but my goodness, it is very difficult to imagine putting the future of a franchise in the NFL based on 15 starts. We've seen that. I want to tweet though. We've seen this happen. About him being the best. Oh, you know, tweets got a lot of authority. Mitchell Trabisky didn't have a ton of starts. Anthony Richardson didn't have a ton of stars. I don't think Ty's going in the top five though. Like people will start spreading the stories of, well, the Cardinals take him at three. I don't think that happens. I think he is a second round. No, I think you go in the first, but it's going to be like dart where maybe the, the Steelers where they're picking, they do slot at a point in the draft where it might be worth it, but I don't know if they want to. Can you pick it? Two point O, but, or the Cardinals trading back into the first, if they actually believe in Ty Simpson, that wouldn't be a shocking thing for me. But 15 starts is Joe Burrow didn't have a lot of starts. He had very much the exception and not the way. Yeah. And he just, the Ty Simpson is not Burrow as a prospect if, if for fantasy football specifically, last year, what 93 rushing yards. Now in college is different, like you lose, you can lose yards for sacks and things like that. So, but that's, the Russian game will not, you will not get the superpower of the extra points. Let me put it this way. If there was a team out of those five, we know Mendoza's gonna go to the Raiders, so out of the four, Jets, Cardinals, Browns and Steelers. It seems like the Cardinals and Steelers would be at the top of the list of teams that you'd want to have the opportunity if you were Ty Simpson from a weapons standpoint. Yeah. I mean, Pittsburgh, Pittman, Metcalf. That's good enough. Cardinals with Marv, Trey McBride, Michael Wilson, those seem like better cores than the other two teams. So far, the only known top 30 visits for Ty Simpson are the Cleveland Browns. The two that I didn't want. And the New York Jets. Okay. Well, we hope not. Actually, maybe we hope so, because if there's a player that you're not very excited about, which I, both of these quarterbacks, I think are, they show enough skill to be successful at the NFL level. But from a fantasy football perspective, you know, we talk about Mendoza's not this prolific runner on the ground, but he's significantly better than Ty Simpson. So Ty Simpson to me is not that important for fantasy. He will be a streaming option at best in his career. Even if he's good, if he's good and has a good NFL career, there's plenty of guys like that. You know, Derek Carr had a very long NFL career. He was a streaming option that, you know, this is not a guy you're gonna go out and win a fantasy football championship with. I think the only, you know, you've got little bitty baby Diego Pavia, who was a, is probably gonna be a day three pick. So he'll be irrelevant. But he was second in Heisman voting. Yeah, second in Heisman voting, prolific on the ground, 800 rushing yards, good through the air. I think, I think Nussmeyer is probably the most slept on prospect because this was a 4,000 yard passer who, I think the expectations were very high this year. And then he got hurt and played through the injury and missed some games. Probably the next on the list of who's going to get drafted in terms of more, you know, he's worked out, I think for the Jets. I think he's worked out for the Rams, the Colts. So that would be the other name worth mentioning, but these are all flyers in the dark that'll probably emerge never. And it's just not an exciting quarterback. Yeah. And, and uh, Taylor and Green was, he broke the combine, right? Am I thinking of the right guy? Yes, yes, yeah. Taylor and Green. They fixed it though. Well, yeah, I mean, you have to put it back together. Oh. It just takes all the King's horses and all the King's men out of Arkansas. Taylor and Green, what are you, what are you groaning about? Yeah. The, the, the, the grandpa joke over here. Oh, you're one to speak. Look, I didn't hit my, I didn't hit my boo button. I just felt it in my soul. You should feel more of them in your soul. Let's talk running backs. Let's turn the page. All right. We have teams that are running back. Sorry. No, no, no, we, we, no, there are, there are a handful of people we like, but it feels similar to the quarterback where it's like, this is extremely top heavy. There is a dude and this is a weaker running back class, especially coming off of last year where we had some high end talent. I mean, I feel like it's quarterback. Quarterback is like maybe some impact and then no impact. That's how it feels. Running back is like big impact, probably a lot of impact behind him, even though it's top heavy, which we're talking about Jeremiah Love who's going to go very, very high in this draft. Let's start, let's start, let's back off of that for a second and just talk about teams that have desperate needs of the running back position that we've identified that we know about and how we feel about landing spots right now because at the top of the draft, the Titans, they stick out as a team that could definitely take Jeremiah Love, could be the next team to rework the backfield. Tony Pollard, it's a temporary plan there. You talked about the Giants at five, they want to be in the conversation, but that's one that's going to get messy, right? Like if you don't necessarily want a running back to go there, not name Jeremiah Love because they're lost in a sea of committee backfield situations. They don't have a third round pick either. So if you spend, oh my gosh, you can't do it. You can't do it. We're declaring it. Yes, that's not happening. You're not going to New York. The Titans will be drafting Jeremiah Love. That's what you believe? I do. The, I think the predominant leader in the clubhouse for a lot of people right now is Washington at seven, for Jeremiah Love. Washington desperately needs a fix at the position. We worked through a lot of different names last year. Some of them are gone now. I mean, he's still there, but Echler's gone, who played for them. And then Chris Rodriguez, who got getting a lot of opportunity has gone. The Bengals would throw a wrench in the Chase Brown situation. If I feel like they would be forced to take Love if he dropped there. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Cause that would be a draw. Yeah. Oh yeah. If he gets to 10, that will be pressure to, there's no way. And then kind of going beyond Jeremiah Love, you'd be starting to look at like Minnesota for the future with Aaron Jones. You'd be looking at Seattle with the absence of Ken Walker. Seattle is the landing spot of the NFL right now. Like that's the bell of the ball for running backs, not Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah Love won't go there, but you look at when, when you've got a Super Bowl champion team that really, really has a great defense and wants to run the ball, who just lost Kenneth Walker, and then Charbonne is going to be coming off of a, an ACL injury. It is the number one landing spot. Like some, one of these relevant running backs is going to go there. And it might be at pick 32, which is a first round pick. And if not pick 64 to the second rounder, that's perfect spot for high draft capital to a running back. And whichever running back they take, I think will end up, I really believe. Keep fogging a name ahead of it. I think that'll be the number two drafted running back. They'll probably take someone at 32 or 64. And that will be the number two running back after the NFL draft in fantasy rankings. It's, it's very, very possible. So let's start with the number one running back in the class, Barna and Jeremiah Love, Outer Notor Dam, a junior, unbelievable player, 18 touchdowns following a 17 touchdown sophomore season. One fumble across his collegiate career, prolific numbers, can catch the football. He hits all of our thresholds in terms of percentage of production for the team. Like it's green everywhere. And it's green in the receiving game, which is like for fantasy, almost more important for like, can you, can this player become a superstar for our purposes in fantasy football? Jeremiah Love is, he's really, really, really good. The draft capital. He's an extra one. The draft capital you know is going to be good. We were just talking about if he gets to 10, it'll be a surprise and then the pressure to take him. So whatever team drafts him, we'll be giving him three down workloads. He's 220 pounds, ran a four, three, six, 40 yard dash. There's, it's just the next tier one type of, you know, Bijan, Jameer Gibbs. You know, the guys that come out and you're just expecting them to be superstars. That's Jeremiah Love. The film backs up the metrics. There's really no hole in the game. And I don't look at him and say, like, I would have personally put him behind Bijan as a prospect. What about, what about Genty though? So that's, I would put Love ahead of Genty. Because Genty still had the problem of being a Boise State guy. Yeah. That was my, that was my only big worry at the time. But as a prospect, there's no hole. So you're talking about a guy who's probably going to sneak into like the back of the first round in startup drafts or in a redraft. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a higher likelihood of that with the Titans or with the commanders? Commanders, I think. Commanders is far more exciting. Well, I am so, I'm so in on the Titans becoming a great team. Really? I believe in Cam Ward already. You know this. I think it's because you have all of their wide receivers on your dynasty. No, no, no. The funny thing is I don't think any of those guys will be relevant for the future. I think they got to fix that position through, you know, the draft with additional wide receivers. No, but I believe in Cam Ward and then Brian Dable being there. I like Robert Sala. Like, really I don't like the new uniforms too much. I don't know what it is. I just think how exciting that team is when you put, if it's Cam Ward, Jeremiah Love. For the future, there's a lot of hope there. I mean, if Jeremiah Love goes there, the hopeium will be off the charts. I'm worried about Washington. I'm worried about, I mean, give me Jaden Daniels over Cam Ward. Sure. If he's on the field, that's true. But what I'm worried about is the head coach because Dan Quinn is like a Doug Peterson. It is just, it wears, it goes worse, worse, worse is how I feel. And you get rid of Cliff Kingsbury. So now the offense is in the hands of the Blob Fish. I just feel like the direction of that team, like it's make or break to me. This year of Washington goes down again after the high of the first Jaden Daniels year, which was a really nice schedule. Wait, you just called Blau? Is that the Blau Fish? Oh, Dave Blau. Dave Blau? The Blau Fish, yes. That's what, that's exactly what I said. Don't do that to David. He's Dave Blau, Blau, Blau. It's the Blau Fish. It's something we always say here on the show. We're making a vampire joke about Dave Blau. The Blau Fish, yeah. Like I've always said, I apologize. Detroit has the Blau Fish, Washington has the Blau Fish. Yeah, the thing is, is Dan Quinn part of the reason that Cliff left is they wanted to run less of a college high passing offense, get under center, run the ball more, which you bring Jeremiah Love into a team that wants to run the ball more with a better quarterback. Jaden Daniels is better than Cam Ward. I'm really hoping he makes it to Washington. Yeah, consider me a secret Titans fan. All right. And not so secret, because I said it in the microphone. Yeah, you just told hundreds of thousands of people. So shall we move on from the best running back into a... Now into the question mark. Yeah, a murky group of more players. We are going, the order that we're talking about them is not necessarily our order right now. What we've decided. Don't even say not necessarily. This is not our order. This is definitely not our order. We are going based on current mock draft database order of expected draft capital. So currently the most mocked running back to go second and very well could be the guy taken first after Jeremiah Love is his own teammate. Jadarian Price. Notre Dame played alongside Jeremiah Love. I'm curious, you guys when you went through the film where their ups and downs to Price's game was this a... Whenever there's a committee of backs that are both highly highly... This was not a committee though. There was a starter and there was a backup. Right, but same backfield. Yes. Team mates. It can mitigate obviously production. Right, I mean that's the number one thing. If he's a backup to the number four pick in the draft and the number seven pick in the draft, he certainly wasn't going to get the kind of workload if he had been the bell cow on another team. So the question is, can he be that bell cow for an NFL franchise? And is there parts of his game because we didn't get all the production that we would have wanted that we haven't seen yet? Yeah, I am more skeptical on Jardians as I refer to him. You call him Jardians? Yes. Like a drug? From day one. Every time I saw his name I was just like Jardians. But Jadarian Price, AKA Jardians. I have a really hard time with him. When you watch the film, he is extremely explosive. I mean, he can run away from guys, has a big play potential and big plays on the film all the time. If you just watch the highlights, you're like, oh, this guy is a missile. However, he is the guy who comes in when Jeremiah Love is off the field. The defense is taking a breath and they're going, okay, Jeremiah Love's off the field. They're not stacking the box and trying to stop the run quite the same. And so I feel like you come in, you get a little bit of easier pickings. It's kind of similar to what we've seen in the NFL and fantasy football, where a guy could be really, really efficient as a backup. But if he then turns around and says, okay, now you're a three down guy that the defense is focused on, oh, lo and behold, you don't just stay that efficient and that good. You add that with the fact that this is a guy who doesn't have like a little bit of past catching in his production profile. He's got borderline none. I mean, his receptions by year were five, four and six total receptions. So there's no receiving profile. He was a backup who came in, did well, was really efficient on the ground. And he might be the second guy drafted. This would be a perfect guy who could go to the Seattle Seahawks at pick 32, sneak into the first round. We saw that with one of- And then you fall in love with the opportunity. Yeah, and then, you know, I reserve the right to change my opinion, but currently he is very, he is much lower than to me on my personal rankings than a lot of the other running backs that have more of a production profile, had to be the dude and kind of proved more. Yeah, he is propped up in my rankings right now with the anticipation of draft capital. Yeah. Because in draft capital, you know, you don't wanna say, when you're evaluating these rookies, you can't just put everything at the feet of draft capital, but it is, it's the foundational building block of- If you did put everything at the feet of draft capital- You would do better than- You do better than just picking your guys. Yes, exactly. It matters because that's the investment. That's the coaches, when you have a running back who was drafted in the second round, you're gonna wanna get that guy in. There's gonna be heat from ownership. Get our new kid in. So I'm with Jason of the film, like maybe he is the second best running back, but, and this is not his fault at all. It's just, you know, it's the, the Bijon, Rochon Johnson. Rochon Johnson had his fans of back at Texas. And like, hey, I think Rochon Johnson can come into his own, just because he was Bijon, but watch this film. He's good. Then he ends up being a day three pick and he's gone. Like Rochon Johnson's career is already done. Yeah, he's just funny, because another situation that he ended up having one year to prove himself was when Saquon left Penn State and Miles Sanders took over. And Miles Sanders hadn't gotten almost anywhere, got one season to prove it, put up big numbers. Didn't really work out in the NFL either, really to the degree that people expected for Miles Sanders, Sonny Michelle and Nick Chubb were another combo that played together. It's really hard. I mean, I think whenever a player has limited production, these teams, they don't have a choice, right? They don't get to see another season at the college level and they could be the smart ones or the dumb ones, but they could see, you know, they have to evaluate on a smaller sample. And if I was Jardians, I would be coming out for sure. Yeah. You don't, oh yeah. You don't want to go back and be the dude? No. No, right now. It's hard to go. In a weak draft class, you might be the second running back taken and you don't have to prove nothing. That would be your style. Oh yeah, Jardians. Easy. We're going to take another break. We'll come back with some more running back names. Okay. The next name we're going to bring up again, we are not talking about them in our specific order, but in the order, like you said, lock draft database is going into Mike Washington, Jr. Combine extraordinaire. A senior at Arkansas. Don't, do not say the combine doesn't matter. Yes. Tell it. Because the reason Mike Washington is here as the running back three is 100% because of his performance at the combine. Because he was not here in mock drafts. You're talking about his 4-3-3-40 yard dash and 99th percentile speed score? It is extremely impressive. 96 percentile explosiveness. He ran a what? A 4-3-3. He's 223 pounds. He ran what? A 4-3-3. He's 223 pounds. He ran what Jameer Gibbs ran with another little person on him. Like the combine measurables, he is an athletic freak. Yes. His production profile. Producer Matt was actually on his shoulders while he ran. Yeah. The production profile is pretty good. I mean, you had his final year over 1,000 yards on the ground. This is in the SEC. Had 28 receptions. That's a great number for college. I mean, those are all very good. The issue is that came after five years. Sometimes when these older running backs and older athletic people. He had ten years worth of fumbles. Yeah, definitely a fumbling problem. 11 fumbles in the last two seasons. This is a player who sometimes you just go, well, when you are older and a super athlete like this, and that's when you start beating up on these young. You better. Yeah, you better. Beating crap out of them. Beat these 18 year olds out there. The thing is, is now because of that combine, it looks like he is going to have decent draft capital. And if he's a day to pick that matters, you've also got the ability to catch, the ability to be a larger body. What's his size of height? He's five. Yeah, he's basically six feet. Six foot. Basically like you're basically six feet, or basically like actually six feet. I don't ever say I'm six. I am exactly five 11. And everybody that's five 11 says they're six feet. I don't. And you take pride in that and not saying that? Yes, because it ruins us five 11ers. Because you all think we're faking six feet. Nobody pays attention to you guys. Are you five 11? I am five 11. Oh my gosh. If it was five 10, I'd love it. I don't know. Wait another decade. What a good thing. The ultimate Jason board. I was five 10 and I took that line. That would be an amazing mystery. Just soap boxing. I don't ever round up to six feet. I'm five 11. No one would ever doubt you being five 11. And you shouldn't because I'm five 11. Don't check. He will never check again. Listen, there's a couple of things here with Mike Washington. And I guess any of these running backs at this point in the draft that are, it gets more and more complicated, right? Where if there's not a, like in our minds, there's not a clear cut number two, right? Well, there is in mine. Okay. I haven't talked about him. Just say who yours is. Jonah Coleman. I really, really like Jonah Coleman is my number two as well. Okay. So you guys both have in there. And that was we independently got Jonah Coleman. Like we, when our process starts, we say, Hey, did you watch this player? And I say, no, I haven't watched him. That's the end of the conversation. We don't share notes. Cause I don't want to influence at all. I'd be like, Hey, look for this, look for this. It's just so we both ended up on Jonah Coleman. That's who you have a number two. And watch it. Like my notes on Mike Washington are, they're not good of when I, my film evaluation, I thought this is, he's a fine player. He, when, when I got his combine numbers, it blew me away that I'm like, really? How? Yeah. I'm like, this is not the player that I was seeing when I was watching him actually play football. A thousand yards and 28 receptions is really good. But at 220 pounds running 433, you should be, you should be having this absurd, he's gotta be older because he played pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. He had five years in college. Arkansas this year before it was New Mexico state. It's tough because all of these guys, depending on the draft capital, you also have to now look at the team and say, will they give this guy I might believe in or who was a combine breakout and opportunity sufficient? For fantasy. That's the discussion and the evaluation we have to make and not to pick on one player, but like Caleb Johnson's a good example of like, it wasn't bad draft capital, but then you have to win the lottery twice, right? You gotta get through the draft capital lottery, then you gotta get through the backfield ensemble and will a team give you an opportunity or will you be part of a committee? And that's where a lot of our rankings are gonna change. You guys have Jonah Coleman in right now in number two. We're all ahead of the draft. If a team, you mentioned Seattle, takes Gendering Price at 32 and Coleman goes at the front of the third round, you're probably changing your rankings. Absolutely. The rankings will this year more than most years because you kind of have this nebulous RB two. No one knows who the second running back is going to be drafted after Jeremiah Love. And it could really be one of like five different players and it wouldn't shock anyone. Isn't Price pretty much been there though? He has been there from the beginning. I think that... Other than him, I don't know who's going next. Yeah, I... But I feel like Price is probably two or three at worst. Yeah, I mean, he'll, I mean, probably, maybe. Maybe we'll get surprised. Maybe Mike Washington will go out there with his Darius Hayward Bay impression and get himself a top spot. And so back to Mike Washington of just reviewing the film, he was in the 40th percent... Revue it. Revue that film. Whatever. He's done with us. I'm trying to give numbers, guys. He was in the 40th percentile for forced mistackery. As in, this is not good. This is a big, strong athletic player who's not making defenders miss. He graded out as the lowest grade to pass blocker per pro football focus of this running back class. And yeah. It fumbles a lot. And he fumbles a lot. Yeah, I don't want my running back pass blocking. I want him out there catching passes, but I want my running back to be able to get on the field. And part of that is you got to be able to do all these other things. So I, when the combine numbers hit, I got real pumped. I was real excited. I was like, okay, we got it. We have a standout here. So I moved him up to ranks and then went back into everything. And I said, no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna extra count this athleticism when all the other metrics that I care about and my film evaluation are not matching up. What do you guys want to talk about your number two? Yes, sir. Jonah Coleman. Jonah Coleman is both of your number two. He's four on my rankings right now. Tell me why you love him. So Jonah Coleman, he passes the eye test to me, breaks a lot of tackles, had breakaway plays over and over and over for a player who is not a, I mean, he didn't run, he didn't do any testing, even at the pro day, like wasn't gonna run a 40, which I think will hurt his draft capital. That's why he's been falling a little bit in mock drafts. And, but he's got enough active burst and speed to make plays happen. His pass catching to me is an incredible gift. It's what I love to see. His hands are made of glue. He can be in the middle of a pile of players and the quarterback can rifle the ball to him five feet away and it just sticks and it's unconscious. So I love that as a pass catcher. He's not doing the thing where he's got to think about catching the ball, it's just second nature to him. So I love him as a pass catcher. He's also kind of a bowling ball type of player. And even though he's got a ton of touchdowns in his profile, which is one of the stickiest stats to translate to fantasy football success, is running backs, having rushing touchdowns in college. He had 25 rushing touchdowns the last two years. So you've got someone that can score around the goal line and catch the ball. He is a very, very intelligent player. His pass blocking grade is great. He talks about how he wants to be on the field all three downs. It's just that he checks the boxes that matter for fantasy football to me. What about the rushing production? Cause I mean, you look at like, you compare what Price did as a backup, certifiable backup to Jeremiah Love. Price had 11 touchdowns, Price had almost 700 rushing yards. Jonah Coleman did have a dip in his efficiency in the last three years on the ground. And other players on the team were taking work as well. Six eight to five five to four nine though. If you're dipping in work, just to go back to the argument about efficiency, it doesn't quite add up for Jonah Coleman on the ground there where like, we like to see overwhelming effectiveness and efficiency in that final year. I mean, he played 12 games. Two years ago, it was better for him over a thousand rushing yards, 23 receptions. He got more involved in the passing game this year, less so on the ground. There was, I went game by game, like through the hit the game log. And it was kind of a situation where there were some games he really took over. And then some games where I don't know if he got injured in the game or whatnot, but a little bit disappeared. On the film and most of the metrics, he's good enough to me to at least have a shot. Now, if he ends up being a day three pick, poof, vanished. I feel like the reception profile is something that's really drawing you down. Yes, the receptions, the rushing touchdowns, and the film, those three things. I really liked what I saw in film. And his scheme fit is perfect for Seattle. He is playing in Washington. So that franchise is very familiar with Jonah Coleman over the last couple of years. And the 32 or 64 pick, if they take Jonah Coleman, I will be freaking excited. He's 5'8", 220 by the way, if we didn't say it. And he has a... That's a bowling ball. That's a bowling ball. A thing I really look for is a player's contact balance. And he has it. I mean, there's guys who are 5'8", 220, who get knocked over. Guys bounce off of him. And he really remains just grounded. And so the fact that he has such high marks in that, with the past catching for me, keeps him at number two until... Further noticed. Yeah, I, last name I'll mention at running back is Emmett Johnson. He's a player that I really liked on film. Production monster. Yeah, I mean, he was 1451 rushing yards last year, 12 touchdowns, 46. 46 receptions. He was my, outside of love, on film, he was my favorite running back. He has the most fun running style. Like his, my notes on him are just how every... He's got one move. It can do in both directions. But it's like this little herky jerky, little jump cut to the left or to the right. And it works every single time. He has a weird... It reminds me a little bit of the Adrian Peterson run of he's really using that upper body to make himself go faster. He's like, I run with my arms. Yes, certainly. And I'll be honest, he's at three for me on my rankings, right? Right now my rankings are Love, Price, Emmett. Okay, Emmett. So he's ahead. Now he's four because you said that. Now he's at three for me because of the combined performance. And it betrayed the things you saw on film. You just talked about the herky jerky, the move that always works. And here he comes out at the combine. Not only is he slower than he expected to be at the combine, 28th percentile speed score 4.56. But he was six percentage in quickness and three cone drill and 20 yard shuttle. So I don't know if this was a bad day. Gotta be a bad day. I mean, it just feels like he hurt himself a lot at the combine. Which, look, if you do that, your opportunities are going to dwindle in terms of draft capital opportunities and teams that are gonna count on you to be the dude. That's my biggest worry right now. I feel like the arrow's pointing down. Despite on film alone, me being the most impressed with him at Johnson, at Nebraska, like you said, the production was out of control and he can catch the football. I love that. I don't know what happened at the combine. Yeah, I liked it. It's ironic because- Bad had time. My notes on him, I really, really liked watching him play. It was fun. But I wasn't sure if his athleticism was good enough to allow this move that he has that gets these college guys every time. I didn't know if that was gonna translate and be successful in the NFL. So then you combine that with the poor combine performance and that was some of my fear. He's a guy that basically touched the ball. How far down is he for you guys? He's my number four. Four. I still like him and I've got Jardians currently at eight, which is low. And he will- You have him at eight? Yeah, he will without a doubt go up. There's a couple other guys that maybe we won't get into specifically. Yeah, just throw a couple names. I really liked Nick Singleton. You did. For fantasy football. Boy, he's boring to me. Sure, and my mic doesn't like him at all. I don't love- He would love to grow up and become Charbonne. I didn't love either of the Penn State guys, but I preferred Alan over Singleton when I watched. Yeah, for me, this is a matter of- For me, this is a matter of, if you're telling me that there's a guy out there who, I mean, 45 rushing touchdowns and over a hundred receptions in college, who is 220 pounds. Like, okay, a big body back who gets touchdowns, it just passes. I'm just a sucker for fantasy football things. He doesn't, yeah, it's not flashy, but his production is there. And that's Nick Singleton. Nicholas. And the being a sucker is Adam Randall for me. Oh yeah. Adam Clemson. I mean, he had a good breakout age, or well, an okay breakout age, but he's listed as- He was subpar. No. He is a, well, he's a- He's weird. He's a unique prospect, because for three years at Clemson, he was a wide receiver. Who did nothing. And he could not really get anything sustained on the field, and then they move him to running back for his last year. So he's brand new to the position. What's the size? He's a monster. Gigantic. He's 6'3, 232. What was he doing out there, a wide receiver? What's he doing in running back? You know, a lot of 6'3, 232. I guess the 6'3 part is the tight end it is. And his, he ran a four or five, but because of his size, that puts him in the 91st percentile for speed score. And he's just, because he's a converted wide receiver, you know that he at least has solid hands for a running back. Got 36 passes this last year. 36 passes the last year. 168 carries 814 yards on the ground. He, I don't know if he'll make any type of noise in the NFL draft, but when a player makes the move to running back from the wide receiver position, and they get drafted. And he's gigantic. You almost always get at least a couple of years of something pretty good for fans. I'm completely with you on him. He is the current sleeper pick that I'm most excited about. That'll do it for today's episode of the show. On Thursday, we'll jump into the most exciting position, I think, in the draft top to bottom, the wide receivers. And we'll talk some tight ends as well. Looking forward to it. This was fun. It's nice to have these names out there. They're gonna be household names before you know it. Very soon. We'll have to decide where we pick them and what we believe. 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