Die Hard with a Vengeance (1995)

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Well, hello and welcome to the confused breakfast podcast. You remember the pure joy of a trip to the video rental store as a kid? I do. Sure, it's hard to beat the ease and the convenience of the modern streaming era, but the experience of a Friday night trip to blockbuster to make the big and sometimes tough decision of what movie was coming home with you was a truly magical experience. We're all part of the last generation that knows the joy of the search. Snap of the plastic clamshell. And we are here to revisit the movies that shaped us defined our childhoods. My name is Mike Schulte joining me as always. Two dudes built for economy, not speed. Sean, prior and AJ Venz. How the heck are you? A little hungover, a little bit of a headache, and I just need some aspirin. Oh. It's about it. I like to get to where I need with all my stuff. I don't, I leave on a reasonable time to get there at a reasonable time. Shocking how that works. Okay. Is this a dig at anything else? Oh, I mean, like people who like are driving, let's talk about traffic. It's just going to get into traffic. Please. Can't, oh, so don't, should we move on? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because how was your weekend, brother? What are you up to, man? Wow. Tell me a crazy antidote at your weekend. Flyers. Flyers one. Flyers one. Playoff chase. Well, boys, today's episode is powered by our friends at Big Grove Brewery. We've got some delicious easy eddies in front of us. We're going to drink these and it's the perfect way to talk about classic movies with your bros. Let's go. Let's get into it. Two things. Today's movie is 1995's Die Hard with a Vengeance. And we're going to do a scene by scene deep dive analysis on the entire movie. But first we got to talk nostalgia, fun facts, and fan critic reviews to set the stage. So right off the bat, Sean, this was your choice for sequel month. Why'd you pick it? What was your nostalgic thoughts on this thing? Skipping over Die Hard 2. Doesn't really matter to me. I haven't seen it in a while, so who knows. But this is my preferred Die Hard. I'm just going to say it right off the bat. This is my favorite Die Hard. I don't think it's the best Die Hard. However, it is my favorite. This was a VHS closet pick that my mom used to live with this asshole named Greg. Fucking Greg. But the only good thing about him is that he had a closet full of VHS, including Breakdown, and this movie, Washes Movie all the time, probably shouldn't have at my age. Not all yet, a closet full of it. Skeletons. Because he was kind of a piece of shit. No, he was piece of shit. Greg. Oh man, good times. Great movie, loved it. I'm going to have to say, I didn't know what movies were. I don't know what to compare it to, Only Blade. So this is an 8. An 8. An 8. It's an 8. Okay, AJ, what about you? What was your nostalgic thoughts on Die Hard with the Vengeance? Shit, nothing compared to Greg's closet. Let's see. No, Die Hard with the Vengeance. I was like, when we were doing this one, I was like, oh, the one with the boat? And then I was like, nope, it's the one with Sam Jackson. And I was pleasantly surprised. That we weren't doing another, or that we would be doing another Christmas movie. But it turns out this one's not a Christmas movie. Oh it is, we'll get there. Okay, good. Look, I enjoyed the movie just for what it was. I don't know if I would always miss some portion of this movie though, like near the middle. But turns out, it doesn't really matter. So that all being said, lots of fun, lots of excitement, lots of Bruce Willis with headaches. And I think that deserves a 7.6. 7.6. So I had a cousin that lived like a couple of blocks from me, and they always had like the R-rated VHSs. Hell yeah. And so that was where we would always watch like the lethal weapons and the Die Hard and the Ghostbusters, which wasn't our, I don't think. But we watched Die Hard with the Vengeance once. I just wasn't into it. We watched the whole thing. It was okay. I kind of liked the action. But I never gave it another shot after that, because then that was when we started getting into this whole cooler than Thou, Die Hard, Christmas movie discussion. And I just purposely avoided all Die Hard movies after I had seen them the first time. So it clearly did not make much of an effect on me as the young kid the first time I saw it. So I'm just going to give it a flat out 5. And we got to go to Nick Madd, executive producer. He says, I caught this film back in the early 2000s. When it started gaining popularity through TV syndication and it quickly became one of my top five remote drop movies. If I happen to be scrolling TV channels on any given evening and caught a glimpse of a bloodied Bruce Willis with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. I knew I was stuck finishing that movie. The addition of Jeremy Irons, Villain Simon and Sammy J's Sidekick banter really helped ignite the franchise after a misfire with Die Hard 2 going on record there apparently. And to this day, if I hear any rendition of when Johnny comes marching home, I think of this movie with a vengeance was peak 90s action and regardless of the unnecessary explosions, terrible CGI and nonsense plotlines. It always kept me on the edge of my seat. A 7.5 nostalgically for my man Nick Madd as a group were a 7.03. If you want to see all the movies we've done and compare that a 7.03 ties it in one hundred and twenty second spot nostalgically with best in show. We did think that predator was slightly better than this nostalgically, but we did not think that water world was as good as this. Well, yeah, pretty obvious. You can't beat the Ulysses cut for Christ's sake. Ulysses cut, baby. Well, then we're going to move on. Our nostalgic ratings are done. We got to learn all the details and top facts of the movie. Sean, what do you got on this bad boy? Produced by Michael Tadros and John McTiernan, written by Jonathan Hensley. He's back from the Punisher. Armageddon also as well. Shout out to not your father's beer shirts for this excellent beer shirt. You ask and you shall receive. We just have the best friends and fans. I tell you what. Brilliant. Peter Menzies. He did four brothers. He's got a case of the Menzies. Four brothers. That's big, big fan. Can't get it, Jack. In this movie, me. Music by Michael Gaiman. Edited by John Wright. Directed by John McTiernan. He has done some movies. Casper's Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, Jeremy Irons. Hang on. It's Tiernan it up. Graham Green. Colleen Camp. Back for the ninth time, I believe. Larry Brickman. Nick Wyman. Sam Phillips. Kevin Chamberlain. Sharon Washington. Dihar with a Vengeance was originally a spec script written by Jonathan Hensley, the Punisher. Called Simon Says. The film was set to star Brandon Lee before his tragic death. After going through dozens of scripts from many different writers, one script they had, their Ion, was a script called Troubleshooter. Which would have been, which would have seen John McClain on a cruise ship fighting terrorists. Ring a little bit of a bell. Well, that's because that idea was scrapped for a diehard film, but became a speed film. Speed. That being speed 2. Why was that not a part of sequel months? I don't know. That's true. Because that movie is pure and utter dog shit. And then we have to watch it. We do. You just answered your own question. The film, the better review from us. So just throw it out there. I would make that argument. Simon Says was going to be a lethal weapon movie, actually. After 20th Century Fox, bought Simon Says, they melded it and had it rewritten as diehard 3. Last action hero was a major financial and critical flop. And director John McTiernan needed a hit. Diehard 2 underperformed as well, so Fox needed a hit. The mutual misgivings brought John McTiernan back to direct Diehard with a vengeance. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. And the film was a hit. you to keep going. Thank you. Fishburn was beyond pissed and got a settlement from the whole deal. Sean Connery was considered for Simon, but Jeremy Irons was cast instead. Diarrhea 3 was shot almost entirely and lovingly in New York City with a subway scene being shot in a decommissioned factory in North Carolina. The film was granted special admissions by the City of New York to shoot on the streets and especially in Central Park, which we will be getting into further for sure. Of course. Diarrhea with the Vengeance was released on May 19th 1995 and on a budget of 90 million the film as the hit McTiernan and Fox needed making 366.1 million at the box office taking the number one spot for 1995. That was a grossing film of the year. Big year for movies. That was of course... Clueless. Clueless and the big movie of the year was Braveheart. And it spawned two more sequels that have its fans. It's fine. That's about it. Now we gotta go to AJ for the final segment. We gotta learn what the critics and fans said about this before we deep dive. What do you got, man? Guys, there's like 512 feet of rock above our heads. And you know what the most interesting thing about these pipes is? The tomato meter! That's it. Give it to him. I'll give it to him. Grills! This last week was just so good, man. It was top tier. I'm sorry. It's okay. Top Tiernan. Oh, 60%. There's a tomato there. The critics think that this movie is slightly better than A Night's Tale, but not as good as American Pie. But the popcorn meter audiences, dersegrrr at 83%. That's nice. Yeah, 83%. Pretty decent discrepancy there. And not up there for our records. But this also has got... 7.6! 7.6 on IMDb. Sorry, the picture I had. That's the IMDb noise. Because that's basically all we get from IMDb. I can conjure on up whenever you need. Of all the movies we've done, listen to this triple feature. That is tied with lethal weapon and RoboCop. That's cool, baby. That's too much for me. That's just too much. No, man. It seems like a good party. It seems kind of trite. You guys all feel the same way? Roger Ebert doesn't say Chicago Sun-Times die hard with the vengeance is basically a wind-up action toy cleverly made and delivered with high energy. It delivers just what it advertises with the vengeance. Despite the final tacked on helicopter de nuis, it remains a gripping, relentless and supercharged slab of fun that knows no bounds. New York is its playground and the sky is the limit. Great use of Danium Water. Knew how to say that word. Good job. How about that, huh? That took speech class. You're getting there, man. Nice, dude. Let's see. Destin Thompson, The Washington Post. Cutting to the chase in terms of summer movies, thrills. Mr. John McTiernan's return to die hard's genre is a triumph. Let's just see here, guys. Letterbox. Here's some ideas and reviews. We've got four stars. I still have trouble with the five gallon jug and the three gallon thing. I've got it fully broken down for you guys. I knew you would. You knew I would. Don't worry. We'll get there. David gave this four and a half star. Called it a municipal masterpiece. I really like that. I'm not wearing my municipal shirt. Damn it. I did have to pause to do some serious water math. Seeing John McClain on the job in front of the gray's papaya on 72nd Street fills me with such joy. Let's see. It's Christmas. You could steal City Hall. Accidentally present. Pressiant? President? Sorry. The bad guys that cause a city-wide catastrophe and then while everyone else is distracted by the cleanup, loot the place. The place clean under the guise of rebuilding infrastructure. It's disaster capitalism. Jerry is a goddamn American hero. We'll get there. Love him. Somebody said better than lethal weapon. There I said it. You're wrong. Guys, I'll just end on this. I know Mike's got plenty of us for this later. Fill the three gallon jug. Pour those three gallons into the five gallon jug. Fill up the three gallon jug again. Fill up the five gallon jug to the top from the three gallons. Leaving one gallon of water in the three gallon jug. Empty the five gallon jug. Pour the remaining one gallon from the three gallon jug into it. Fill the three gallon again. Add that to the five gallon jug. Bingo. Four gallons of water in the five gallon jug. The thing is, that's not how they did in the movie, so it's really confusing. There's, and then there's a way easier way to do it too. Come on now. It's a way easier way. Fell a fucking sleep. Fuck all that. Well Mike says I got a riddle. It exploded a long time ago. I've been dead. I got a riddle for you guys. No tower this time. No airport to save. Just riddles and chaos and clues to the grave. A cop and a stranger race all over town. Get one answer wrong and it all comes down. Tick tick better get it right or boom goes your day in broad daylight. What movie am I? Da Vinci's Speed 2. Look me in the eye right now and tell me that you wrote that from your heart. I did not write that from my heart. It's terrible. I'm so down summer in a city. See in one a massive explosion rips through a department store throwing New York City into chaos. The NYPD receives a call from a mysterious terrorist calling himself Simon who demands to play a deadly game of Simon says his first rule suspended cop John McLean must go to Harlem wearing a wildly offensive sign or more bombs will go off. McLean hung over and barely holding it together is forced into the situation with no idea why he's been targeted in Harlem. He seconds away from being killed before local shop owner Zeus Carver intervenes and saves him. I would argue that this is the only moment of the film that we have any levity any like kind of break on the film. And then the rest of the movie is just pure pedal to the metal. You mean the summer in the city. The beautiful hot montage of New York. You can feel it. Yeah. So hot. And you're just like my notice. Ah, somewhere in the same. Fuck. That's really what they do here, man. It's amazing. And man. Marvel. Like I saw a comparison on this. There's a guy called San Mystics. He did a whole breakdown of like just them filming in New York. And it was just incredible because he did compare the first fucking Avengers movie with this. And he stripped away all the effects in Avengers. It's just a green screen and a fucking warehouse. And then New York facade. Like that's it. This is in New York City. And they had to get this in one take. And so they did a bunch of rehearsal with all these extras and all these stunt men and women and had to like make sure that the explosive they used didn't like shatter any windows for real. This is fucking John McTiernan action filmmaking at its finest. This is just what a movie needs to do when you do this kind of thing. Sean, I don't even think about it anymore. I watch this and I go, I'm just like, oh cool. Because you just sort of assume that there's so many ways to do that. CGI, whatever that you just don't think of how awesome it is anymore. But you just broke it down to me and I just went, oh my God, that was real. They actually did that. And they had one take to do it. I mean, it was back when people had to use their brains on like the logistics of every little bit of something. Just to get like, it doesn't even need to happen. We can in theory just hear that there was a bombing and see the wreckage. But they're like, no. We're going to do it. And you guys are going to be in from the first second of this movie. Yeah. And they nailed it. Right then and there. The movie does not stop. Incredibly jarring. It does not stop. It's a really well done practical explosion. The fact that you just said they have to do it one time is mind blowing. But that being said, like you kind of nailed it earlier though too, this movie just doesn't let up. Like this movie is exhausting. Yeah. Like I feel like I'm running with them like pretty much the entire time. There's like finally when you finally get some like breaks back and forth later on between like the bad guys and the good guys. Get a little breather. You get a little bit of a breather. But holy crap, man. The next like 45 to an hour of this movie is exhausting. Do you guys think that the original plan is that McClain dies right here in the beginning of this movie? Like I don't think this plan was meant to string McClain along for the rest of this movie. I think this plan was basically the plan regardless. And then he thought, wait a minute, we can also get McClain in this as well. We're here. McClain lives here. Let's add him into this plan because we want to kill him. That's our secondary plot. Because if you think about it, he puts this sign on beginning of the movie and they send him out there. McClain knows he's going to die. Everyone knows he's going to die. Why would this terrorist think that he's not going to die? And let's say he does die right here. The next thing that happened was the trash can where there was no bomb there and the pay phone. That was just added on to fuck with him. Like that had nothing to do with the terrorist plot. And then the train, they said it themselves, the train was going to go off anyway. We don't need people like answering riddles and trying to get to this train. I think he was supposed to die here. I really believe that. The sign. The sign was meant to kill. People were going to destroy him in the streets and then they would just move forward with their plan for the city. I think that's interesting to think about. I think that Simon would be severely underestimating someone he actually knows a lot about. And has a relationship with. I mean, you're going to trust the streets to kill John McClain when your brother couldn't and not going to tell me Plaza. I'd argue that these guys have more of a reason to kill McClain than his brother. Well, 100%. I'm just going to throw that out there. The worst saying on a sign that you could ever have. In the worst place you could be holding that sign. It's still shocking. Yeah. I think you could get similar reactions if you were in Malibu. If you were anywhere. It just so happens you're in the streets of Harlem. It's a very high anxiety scenario to just throw a person into that you have to kind of again, you have to stand there with McClain. Yeah. While this is going on. And you feel it. We're like, God damn it. It's awkward for the audience. You know what I mean? It's just like, oh my gosh. I don't know. They milk the reveal too, which I really like because they throw him out onto the street. He's got like, yeah, he walks past the lady. He's got like the, he's got straps on. And then we cut to Sam Jackson's intro, which is awesome. It's so good. But they milk this reveal until he sees it. And then when you, when the audience sees it, you're just like, oh my God. And then you hear a, what the fuck? Just the worst thing ever. Can we, can we speak ill will of general new nowadays society and how everything needs to be changed? 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I haven't seen what's on the sign but I've heard like the edits of Yippee-ki-yay motherfucker, which are terrible. Yeah, they decided that this is not something that you should have on a sign in a movie. And so they edited it to CGI to say, I hate everybody. Oh boy. Oh man, he's going to get killed. This is bullshit. Like I get it. All lives matter. Yeah. Everybody, why you just hate them? You should hate everybody. No, fuck this because like this is why it is fucked up that he's in this situation. That someone is making him do this. It has to be that word. Yeah, don't play this movie if you can't do this. If you can't handle that, stop watching the movie. And this movie we'll talk about it later has some very like racial plot points and undertones that the originals did never had. And this is super important. This is how Sam gets involved and this is how our story starts and we have to believe the danger and the danger is so crazy at this point and we need to believe it. That guy wearing an I hate everybody sign, you can go fuck yourself. Sam Jackson would have looked out that window after this entire situation he just had with his kids or whatever or these kids and them going to the school like he gets them out the window. He looks out the window, sees John McClain wearing that sign. He's like, idiot. And goes back to his day. He doesn't care. Okay. You know? It's like, okay, that's weird. There's a crazy guy out there wearing a sign again because that probably happens all the time in New York, everywhere. The end is near. The end is near. But then it's like, yeah, so snore. That's it. And we don't have a movie. So yeah, the idea of downplaying is just ridiculous. Speaking of the racial kind of stuff in this, he only goes out there and like tries to tell him to fuck off right now before they see him because he doesn't want cops coming down here. Yeah. Doesn't care about his life. He doesn't care about McClain's life for sure. But he doesn't want cops coming down here to fuck with that group over there because they will. They will. Yeah. Yeah. One dead McClain will equal 50 dead people in this neighborhood. Absolutely. And he understands that. That's what he says. He's like, one dead white cop down here means we're going to have like 50 down here tomorrow and causing all sorts of trouble. It's, yeah, no thanks. I think you guys have all had a hangover this bad though where, where you know your, your career is not going good. You're not happy with your job. Your love life isn't going great. You have the worst five day bender of your life. You have the worst hangover you've ever had. And now you have a sign on that's very embarrassing to be wearing, but you kind of don't care because you're just like, it was a good run. Like I feel like he's not as scared as he should be because he's kind of just like whatever. That's what's the beauty about this movie, I think is that it is, he is just hung over the entire movie to the point where this movie should have been called the hangover. Like the ultimate hangover, the ultimate like calm down, like what, what's a good cure for a hangover? A terrorist plot. Yeah. Yeah. In New York wearing a sign that says the worst thing possible. It's a good cure. Adrenaline. How about that? This, it's lots of it. It's what like is so beautiful about the character of John McClain because he, he doesn't really have anything to live for. In the first one you could argue he does. And I haven't seen the second one in a long time, but we're kind of back to basics in this, you know, where it's, it just starts and like we, even if you are just jumping into the series right on this one, you kind of get it already. You know, it's like this, this guy, he's a rough and tumble cop. He's got a hangover and, but he's really good at what he does, you know, perfect. You know, like I don't know. But the fact that the script keeps reiterating all the way through, like I had a bad fucking hangover. Okay. Stop yelling at me and that kind of shit. Even like when he's like, you gotta get the fuck out of here. He's like, you fucking yawns. Dude, it's, it's, I think it's like one of the best through lines of a movie. Like honestly through, throughout this whole thing, because it never lets up. And it's, it happens at the funniest moments or like the most random times when like, I think it very specifically, he even says, he's like pulling somebody out and who's already dead of this car. And he's like searching through, he's like, what are you going to do? He's interrogating me. He's like, Hey, check that glove compartment for aspirin. Like he's, like he's saying, check over there for clues or something. No, or for gun or for ammo or something like that. No, it's like, Hey, check that for aspirin. It's been four to six hours since my last note. I fucking need some. And it's just so funny because it's like, he can just never fucking find it. You know what I mean? Or when he does, yeah, exactly. Until, until the end. And it's just, it's just a really great running joke throughout the whole thing because it's also because of the way it's addressed. I do it like a speaking of the writing of this, it's like such a great script and such like, like awesome little nuggets here and there, especially the 6991, the badge number. Like you always bet your badge number this comes up later. You know, it's, it's, it's great to like have these little nuggets of just like, that's kind of innocuous, right? But it's really not, you know, it's important. Detective work. I mean, he ultimately still is a detective. So we're sort of doing it with him. But then Jeremy Irons over the phone as Simon, one of the, it's just such such a like cool. It seems like a Clint Eastwood sort of like dirty Harry kind of plot line that would happen in one of his movies. I love this kind of riddle that Riddler basically bombs everywhere in New York and drunkard has to go find it. It's, this is a perfect sort of villain to John McClain in my mind. I might like not as acting better as Hans. No, no, of course not. But just as good maybe the character, maybe the characters may be a little better than Hans is maybe Hans is just Hans is delivering the performance. You know, our, what's his face is. Yeah. Alan Rickman. Alan Rickman. Yeah, of course. I think, I think you're right. You know, this is a more active role, whereas Hans, Hans was much more of like a relaxed walking through while everything's happening around him. He's the mastermind. And it's not to say that like Jeremy Irons and this isn't necessarily like the mastermind. He's also got his other mastermind buddy there too. So it's kind of a weird, like, it's kind of a weird ring of bad guys to me, to be honest. But Jeremy Irons overall, his voice is more intimidating to me than his presence. So that's the only thing that gets away from me on this. Like when we get the bad guy reveal, it's like, you know what, he should have never taken off his sunglasses or something. Because like it would have left like a little bit of mystery or something. I don't know. It's just once we see him and he's kind of even doing that thing with these joking around with the city representative. Or whatever. It just seems a little bit disarming. But maybe that's a good thing. I don't know. Yeah. He described his haircut as midlife crisis. Jeremy Irons did. I'm like, yeah, pretty much nailed it. And maybe I think that's a big part of it of why it's like, yeah, his hair is like kind of hip. It's like, it's a little too hip. You know what I mean? It's fake. Yeah. It's just like it's a little too, it's a little bit too like Synthwave keyboard guy. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it was a transition period in time. Sure. People didn't really know what they were going for in fashion at this point. I get it. I get it. I got something for AJ. Did you recognize the bomb expert? Charlie. Yeah. Oh, is his name Charlie? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's the bomb expert. Did you, did you recognize the actor? I didn't. Wait. It's for AJ. No. His name, his actor name is Kevin Chamberlain. Remember, he's all excited about the bomb. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool stuff. Very cool. You didn't recognize him at all? Oh, dude. He's, he's the Boy Scout leader in Christmas with the cranks trying to sell the trees, the Christmas trees. Oh my God. Yeah, we got you. Canadian, Canadian Bruce Bruce Bruce here. Like last year, we got a real beautiful this year. Just thought you'd like that. I love that. He's a good actor, man. I'm going to go watch that one tonight. Christmas. Charlie. Um, what do you think about Charlie? I love the, the Wolfie's Just Fine song. Yeah. There we go. I'll tell you what. I've, I've, I've had tears in my eyes listening to that song just because it's like kind of a beautiful sentiment of a song. But if you, we've talked about it as at nausea, I'm here on this show, Wolfie's Just Fine, John Leroy. I mean, can do no wrong, can do no wrong. Nope. Staying with the bomb is the song and it is fucking brilliant. So just, no guts, no glory. So good, dude. I'm staying. It's a great character. I like how kind of psycho-ish he is about, or like so excited about these bombs is like, yeah, this, this liquid and that look good. If they, if they're put together, blows a fucking hole in the precinct pretty much. That's some danger because this is something we've never dealt with. Like this is some new technology kind of crazy thing. And that, I think that's an important thing to get known moving into this, how serious it is. Right. Yeah. And how much of it they have as, as it's revealed in this scene. It's like he throws that tiny little speck of it essentially down, blows up a chair and like, like you say, like a hole in the damn ground and there's a, there's cases of this shit running around town. So yeah. So scene two, Simon continues issuing riddles forcing McLean and Zeus to race across the city under impossible time constraints. A bomb thread on a subway train sends McLean sprinting underground while Zeus navigates the streets above. McLean finds the bomb hidden inside the train, barely gets it off before it detonates. Federal agents reveal Simon's true identity. Simon Gruber, brother of Hans Gruber, the villain McLean killed years earlier. Now it's personal. I want to talk about Sam Jackson. Yeah. A little bit. Like it wasn't very known still when this came out. Because Pulp Fiction had come out in 94. Yeah. Pulp Fiction is going to skyrocket him and he basically accepts this, like I said, at the screening in Cannes where, where one can. And comes into this movie and is, you know, you could see obviously the lethal weapon kind of stuff here. The buddy. Yeah. Who don't like each other, you know. But this is almost like kind of his movie, to be honest. Like I could, I don't know, there's, there's so, there's so much of him just because we've already had two movies of John McLean. He's just such a welcome character in this. And one of the things I think about when I think about this movie, when I do. Well, the, it's funny you say that because without him, McLean would have been dead time and time again. Sure. Like that's pretty much it. And they, they all get lucky. They both get lucky throughout this whole movie. Yeah. Absolutely. But I think that that's the funny, like, reversal of what you're saying, Mike, is like he should have died like a long time ago. It's the idea that he didn't die and that he keeps actually winning when he really wasn't supposed to. And Simon's just like, fuck. Now I've got to find another riddle in my riddle book to say. Let's make up something about Obama and Trashcan. And I gotta do this thing over here. Oh God. I even say, are you going to stop toying with him? Like some of his rich men say that. So that's where I feel like the plot, the plot was always to steal this stuff. But then they're like, ooh, but McLean lives here. We feel like, we like fuck with McLean because there's no reason to involve McLean in this other than you're trying to kill him. Yeah. Yeah. Because they have enough, you've got enough of a distraction because that's really the whole whole idea, right? Is to be able to distract police and and law enforcement from focusing on what they're actually doing. Right? That's the whole point. But you could do that pretty easily with the first bomb you set off and then say, I have one in a school somewhere that you guys have to find out now. They are. I think they wanted the first one to grab attention. They wanted the subway one. To make it like, okay, these guys are fucking serious. Now we give them the school threat. I think that was a very, I love when these plans are just so perfect. Like, that guy plans that are awesome. I'm like, oh, that's pretty. Makes so much sense. The fact that he got them to like all disperse and like leave their walkie talkie. It's like a dark night rises when all the guys go into the subway. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Genius level shit. Yeah. And that's that's the whole idea. You have to throw off the entirety of this police force of New York City. How do you do that? How do you do that? And you you you caused some real frigging problems initially and you show catastrophe at the end and make them scramble. I'd be surprised if no one wasn't inspired by this movie. Maybe a little bit of a Joker in Dark Knight because it's so much that like actually very much is having, you know, people work for him, but but you be like just like dispensable or disposable. Yeah, pretty much. Or, you know, like having people go here so you can go do this thing, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of his inspirations even later on. And like there when they're in like the tanker, like the whatever it is when they're all with him and all of his all the people, like all the bad guys and henchmen and stuff. And they're kind of celebrating and somebody says like, oh, yeah, like long live our fallen comrade. That even feels very much like some of the scenes for Joker in like the bunker with the money and stuff with all that shit too. Yeah. And all polls very similar. You're Leo DiCaprio moment in this movies when when he says smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Ken Group. I like I just I like stood up and go, oh, yeah. Wait, which one was first? Oh, Pulp Fiction was first. These two guys were in Pulp Fiction and that's a fucking awesome. What just like it got me. Imagine the movie Pulp Fiction would be if these guys had more scenes together. Oh, they share like three seconds together in Pulp Fiction. Yeah, that's true. Oh, you're right. There wasn't much, but obviously maybe built a relationship on set, perhaps. That's what it sounds like because they they seem to have a great Willis vouched for him. Yeah, totally. This guy's dope. Yeah. And I mean, like I just said, it's it's like one of my favorite pairings. You know, you have Leethe weapon and I think you have this and then maybe Russell Crowe and Ryan Gosling and the nice guys. That's where it comes. It is for me, basically. But then like this is the whole they set him off to the garbage can bomb. And could you guys figure this out? The same Ives thing. The problem is, is I couldn't hear it. Yeah, it was so fast. It is so fast. They were even like, wait, wait, say it again. No, no. I mean, I read it on paper. It makes total sense because it says I was going to St. Ives and on the way I met. And then it starts naming all these people. How many people went to St. Ives? It's like, well, I was the only one, you know, so it's it's it's a it's a riddle, but it's solvable if you get to the bottom of it. I just couldn't hear it. Yeah, it goes. That's the problem is it goes so fast. And obviously it's supposed to. That's the whole idea behind the scene is like it just goes too fast. And then Sam Sam Jackson's character Zeus is able to is able to connect it, put it together and go back over the the trail. But yeah, it it's again, this is just another instance of like if if if it was going to go off, then McLean didn't stand a chance in hell. Anyways, yeah. And there wasn't even a bomb there. There wasn't even a bomb there. It was just making fun of them. In fact, that's so funny when they're like, it's a bomb. And they're the only ones that dive on the ground. And the one guy goes, welcome to New York. Handsome dollar. It's like that's so new. There's New York is a character in this movie. Oh, yeah. Like that's an overarching idea of this. It has to be so much to the point that in this scene, like when when you have like some of the extras walking by, like you can there's two guys actually in particular, like walking right by each other. And it's facing one way and they walk by John McLean behind John McLean. And then it's talking to it shows Zeus later on the other side and they're walking the opposite way. And I'm just like, God damn it. Like God damn it. It's just one of those things. It's like if they weren't so noticeable or like so distinguishable as these extras, like you've got to get some extras that are like New York. Just have a guy walk by. Yeah. Just have like you couldn't get anybody else to just be walking back and forth in these scenes. Maybe they forgot something. I know. But at first I honestly thought one of them was Jeremy Irons. I was like, oh, is he is he like walking around? Is he right there at ground zero? But he's just hidden in plain sight. Nobody knows what he looks like. Is he John Doe? Is he John Doe-ing us? No. No, he's not. Dang it, John Doe. The, yeah, I love how like John M. Tearney directs these movies, man, because after this they get the instructions that the bombs in the subway and they have, what is it? 30 minutes or something to get it. 10 miles. Yeah, it takes like probably an hour in New York time. But they, the shot of when he's describing like right now this train's arriving and the camera goes like down to the greats on the sidewalk. You can see the train arriving and then it kind of just seamlessly goes towards them again. I don't know, man, just the way he films the shows is so good. And it kind of gets, that's like a little bit of levity just to create some tension. And then boom, we got to get a car. We got to go. The only way quickest is through the park. It's like, I told you park have is the busiest at busiest at this time. He's like, I didn't say through the park. I say through the park. Through the park. Yeah. They, you can't film in Central Park. Like you just, they just don't allow it anymore. And they just allowed this. You got one take. This crew basically to drive a car through Central Park. And it's just fucking riveting. Like you just don't see this shit on film. Like, yeah, maybe this is like the only film in history. If every film could get away with this, maybe they would do it. Whatever. I'm just glad we have the movie that does it and just riveting, riveting action scenes and motivational, motivating wise, it makes sense for the story. We have to get there right now. Like we're all on a timer. We have to get there right now. So through Central Park it is. Cause I'm John McClain too. It works for his character so much as well. It's just, it's just so good. I don't, like we, I think we praise Last Action Hero a lot. I think we all liked that movie a lot. And I think John Matiernan, if he's not in like regular canon, needs to be touted as one of the best action directors of all time. You don't get this movie like as fast-paced and as anxiety driven without like the direction, but also the editing, you know what I mean? Yeah. Of like cutting back and forth and the way that they're putting these shots together. And the way that they're shooting your two leads together, you know? Like it feels like, it feels like they are like a genuine duo. Like they are a team. You definitely feel the idea that John McClain needs Zeus more than he needs him. You know, you know, I just think that they put this together, especially when they have to separate. Yeah. You know, they give it equal time it feels like for like what's important. You're right. It's a great point because through all of this, because we're on a timer, because even the shooting has to be, and the editing has to be so fast, we still get character moments between these two and when they're split up. Yeah. It's a good point. Yeah. Like the moment of like, you get to that phone, you cover my ass, I'll get down there, I'll cover your ass. It's like, well, what if we both fail? Tim, we're fucked. You know, it's like, it's all, don't fail. The conversation is done. We don't plan, we don't try to make plans so we can fail. It's like, that's all we're trying. We're playing, it's like, just, then we're screwed. So get it done, brother. Like, dang, let's go, man. If any New York movies have taught me anything, it said if I ever did go there, I was not going to walk on greats on the sidewalk. And downtown Cedar Rapids, I don't do it. Brother, no, like, I mean, there's either turtles and foot clan down there, or apparently you can just lift, you can just pull it out and jump down on a subway train. Yeah. Or there's rivers of ooze and slime down there. You don't want to go anywhere near that. Just walk around it. Giant rats, yeah. Giant rats. Fuck. We do got to hit this button here. Hit it. If we were on a train to go punch a face, I'm on board. Got it? You on this train with me? That's the Wall Street guy. Yep. The guy that jumps in that cab. Not enough bad things. It's a flaw of this movie. It's so action packed, but we don't get any moments of this guy getting scared and bad things happening to him. It's implied, but more bad things need to happen to this guy who needs to go to Wall Street on this camera. Yeah. I think that's fair. What are you, is it because I'm white or whatever? Racist? Yeah. Yeah. That is what I think about you. Yeah, dude. I don't know. My punchable face honestly was really leaning towards the cop on the subway platform. Well, that's Nick Madds as well. There we go. Okay. I'm glad. He won't let Zeus answer the phone and it's just shaking. He did like to go on record saying I'm recommending him as most punchable face of the year so far. Wow. Okay, cool. We had another entry into that. He did. There's a few people there. There's a few people. This is growing. I actually might jump on that train with you because man, it's a little weird seeing him shaking that hard with a gun pointed at a black man in a New York cop. It's just like this is... I can see LA cops being more fidgety. Sorry, LA. Sorry, LA. Sorry, AJ. Man, give me the damn phone. That kind of thing. You're trying to pull a gun on a dude for yelling? For not paying the 10 cents to get into the subway? You're pulling a gun on him? Like that's what he ended up doing? That's why he did it? The cop chased him because he didn't pay for the subway. And he's pulling a gun on him. God, I always read this as him pulling the gun because he yelled about the phone. No. Oh, gosh. Hey, man, I saw someone didn't pay for their subway fare. He's like, okay, whatever. They were black. Oh, fuck. Ah, Jason. I know he's left his post, which now means that everyone can come in for free. Right. Yep. Just let him go. So great. Thanks. Appreciate that. Yeah, he's up there for me. This whole scene, another action set piece is just incredible. It's real. It's all real. Yeah, I remember seeing this as a kid and like, man, can movies get better? I don't know. Is it possible? This is only my fifth movie I've ever seen. Exactly. You can't get better than this. It's incredible. This is where they shot North Carolina. They built this whole thing themselves and the back car, when it comes derailed, had like car engines in it so it could drive like straight once it was sideways, if that makes sense. So that's how they did. And they just had sparks and all these people were like stuntman and stuntman. Terrified. And but it looks so fucking good. It just, it's like on top of the bomb explosion in the beginning and just the chase or the rushing scene through Central Park. There's more to come. It's fucking unbelievable. We're, we're 48 minutes in at this point. This, the reveal of actually seeing Simon is 48 minutes into this movie. And everything you just said has been happening over the last 48 minutes. It's like, it actually makes you want to watch it on TV so that you have a break. I need a commercial break. It's a marathon, dude. It's a marathon. Like it really is. It just, it, it, it's like I say, it gets exhausting to the point that like I have to like, sometimes during one of the watches, I did. Like I got up for a second. Cause I was like, okay. You're going to miss some shit too. Yeah, exactly. You're going to hit pause. Exactly. So yeah. And I did. I hit pause, but yeah. This is the only moment where we get some levity and where the, where the real plot comes in ish. Yeah. Not even, not even like the real plot, but like his actual motivation. So far it's just terrorist stuff. From what we think. Yeah. It's revealed that he's Hans Gruber's brother. And what do we think about this sort of device, especially it being like, you know, one to three. I feel like I knew that as a kid. Like I heard his voice. I'm like, well, that's clearly Hans survived or it's someone related to Hans. Cause there's only a couple of German people probably in the world, you know, like, that's it. That was what my brain was saying as a kid. So I always was like, well, of course, why wouldn't, why wouldn't it have something to do with Hans? Yeah. It's like, oh, he's got an accent like that. Yep. Yep. Why wouldn't we, why do we think anything else? Yeah. So now it's not worth it. But, but it is, it is the only reason that this is happening. Otherwise, John McClain's still hung over at a bed somewhere and the rest of the city is, is tackling this terrorist thing. Sure. There's no other reason to include him. Maybe they call him in at some point. Yeah. Maybe. But they need to ask for him specifically from number one to get that street sign scene where he meets Samuel L. And the only way to have that happen is to have some sort of a personal stake or he's just a good cop that's on the scene. Yeah. And they didn't give us that. So, I mean, I thought maybe you guys would buck against like, of course he's his brother or something, but like it, it works. John, a subway car just came up five feet off of the tracks onto a platform and went sideways. And I was like, I don't give, I don't give a shit. What a fucking, what do you want from me? It's a great way to connect it to because it is John McTiernan too as well. And like John McTiernan did the first one, obviously. Did he not do the second one? He did not. It was Rennie Harland. Okay. Cliffhanger. I think it was Rennie Harland. But skip the second one to do Hunt for Red October. Which is a great movie. Awesome movie. Came back to do this one. And so it's like just to incorporate, especially that being, this being really the only thing that makes it a die hard movie other than John McClane connecting it to the first one. You know, that's really the only script change is that it's personal now. Yeah. It's pretty easy, but also very sort of not cathartic, but I don't know. It just works in my brain as far as like sequencing, I guess. Yeah, it's satisfying enough because like I say, at this point we're, we're, anxiety riddled and just like, it's like overstimulated from this frickin 48 minutes of time. It's like, it's, I'm completely fine and okay with just like, oh yeah, it's his brother. It's like, oh thank God, something makes sense. Sure. Because like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Some sort of grounded. 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Did you guys know the guy that plays Rick Walsh? Rick Walsh is the one that's in the car with him that says, ah, you remember that thing, that building in LA? He's the one with the badge, I think, right? He's the one chewing his glasses. I think that's Rick Walsh. He was in the first one. At the end, he's playing a cop in the LAPD. He appeared in scenes mainly with Al Paul outside the Nakatomi building. It's not stated that he is the same character, but clearly it has to be. He took credit for a lot of the stuff that happened out in Nakatomi Plaza and has risen the ranks. This has to be the same guy. Yeah, he could have also been a punchable face. He's very much the chewing of the glasses. Yeah, well, the corporate mentality of like, he's just on the phone, like, get me the guy. Yeah. Not doing anything, really. Well, he's a fucking idiot. He's so dumb. He just saw photos in the debrief of, in fact, I think he's the one that brought it to the table of like, here are the two guys we're searching for. And then like five minutes later, he sees both of them. He sees Targo and Simon. He has a face to face conversation with Simon and he doesn't understand. He can't even sniff it out. He doesn't know who they are. And then he's like, holy Toledo. He's like, he starts saying all these weird American phrases and the dude can't sniff it out. So it's two different people you're talking about. Am I the guy with the glasses is different from that. So then I am talking about that that guy that does. He has the badge number. He is the badge number and he is also the one that's in the first. OK, but he was just briefed. He was just briefed on this. That's true. I mean, like if these are the guys we're searching for, if you're going to share information like with just like McClain and like one other person or whatever, like it's going to get spread to the rest of the police force. Eventually. And they still pissed me off when he was still talking to him and he's like, well, there's a lot of money down here. A lot of opinions the mayor doesn't want. It's like, bro, you got to sniff this out. Holy Toledo. There are terrorists in town blowing things up. Everyone should be questioned. Yeah, like this guy is one of them. Like you don't recognize this guy. Aren't you like from an office that would recognize like who these people are? You probably met whoever that city inspector is supposed to be. I just it just. Yeah, it just those are those are the little points. And in otherwise greatly like very well written kind of story and plot system that that I get annoyed with. I didn't know that he was in the first one. But it always seemed to me like he wasn't briefed like up until this car ride or that they're in the car with the guys, the FBI, I guess. So it's his death is actually kind of like heartbreaking to me. But it is like, like I said, a plot point in the movie. Yes, like where the script is just so they need that badge number. They do. I like when they're running to the second park where the other bomb is. Sam Jackson is like, what's this LA thing? Rodney King, let me guess. He's like, fuck you. But I mean, it's it's still permeating through like this culture. And that's what that's like the basis of his character. Also, the guy and do the right thing. You know, it's yeah, it just really works. The did you catch another one of the riddles? What what has four legs and is willing to travel? I don't know about that. Did you did you know that at all? He's like, you have kids. You should know about this. Like I didn't know about that. No idea what this is. So what has four legs and is willing to travel? It's an elephant because the elephant has four legs and a trunk, like a trunk being a suitcase. Oh God. It's like John Candy and playing strings in automobiles. A trunk, a suitcase. Yes, that is it. But let's let's talk about the this gallon trick. So that you're a fuck your guy on the letter box. He doesn't know shit. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's the easiest way to do it. You try not to make me fall asleep. You got a three gallon bucket and a five gallon bucket. Fill the three gallon bucket and then pour it into the five. How many is in the five? Three. OK. So three gallons. Yeah, that's right. Then then you pour. OK, wait a second. I wrote this down. Three gallons into the five and then three gallons into the five again. So you had three in the five and you fill up your three already, but you fill you put three into the five. Now you filled it up completely to five and there's one gallon left into three because five's full and we've got one gallon in the three. Correct. Right. Dump the five out and then dump the one gallon into the five. Then fill up the three gallon again and dump it into the five and we've got four. Did you follow that? Yeah. This was some sort of a no, this was some sort of a of a like an ACT test or something question because I remember something like this and I paused it and I go, OK, I can figure this out to prepare you for the moment that you're going to need to dismantle a bomb with of course, gallon five, gallon three, gallon bucket. I just got a crock of shit. But also they don't really if you try to listen to what Sam Jackson and Bruce Willis figure out. Yeah. It makes it's like no, it makes no sense. They don't help the audience out in any sense of how to actually figure this out. No, I rewound it several times and just to be like and to be to be completely honest, I a couple of those several times was because I would like I'd be like, all right, I got to hear that again. And then I'd look at my phone because I was like, that's fucking boring as shit. Oh, shit, I missed it again. I got really bored. And then it was like I watched it literally again the next time I was like. Hey, I just I just watched the life drain out of Sean's eyes as I was like explaining that to that's me in school in general, unless it's like English class, the we're watching the Godfather. Yeah, dude, I was just like, God damn it. OK, I got to do it again. And I had to watch it like three more times. All right, let's try it again. Let's say you have a car that only has three seats in it and you have a car that has five seats in it and both are bands. OK, one's a power pop trio. One's five guys like your band, one stream. They've five guys. OK, let's say they're all standing on the side of the road and you got to find out exactly how to get forward. And this doesn't work. No, I hate it. I hate this is the worst. Like we'll call an Uber. I don't give a fuck. This is the worst. Christ. But they do it. Anyway, just move on. Come on, move on. And before this, too, we get like their actual plot where they're trying to get into Fort Knox. And I want to talk about the crazy bitch that's with them. The hot crazy bitch. Yeah. I'm into her. Y'all crazy bitch. Let's overdub that. Every time she's on screen. I love how it's shot to her like this the security guard or he's like or some he gets on the phone and the guy's like, you better watch out, big fella or something. He's like, I start unloading at nothing. And meanwhile, the crazy bitch behind him has the knife and it's just full laying the fuck out of him. It's brutal as hell. Brutal and so hot. It is. I don't get it. Apparently she's an artist. Like she's a songwriter, a singer. Yeah. And had a couple of songs and she was married to I forget. Married to another guy. And yeah, they probably had relations. Yeah, they probably had relations. Yeah. Oh, good. Yep. Yeah. Pretty fun. Sick, dude. Let's talk about MacLaine actually arriving, though. Please. MacLaine being a good policeman. Yeah. Actually hearing the phrases. Yeah. That that's Simon starts saying, or no, the other guy. He says it's raining like dogs and cats. Before this, he does figure it like it's the kids. He's leading us in a wild goose chase. This doesn't make any sense. Like something doesn't add up and he's like, oh, there's cops everywhere. You could steal whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that that kid's a punch ball face. You could steal the whole city right now. The cops are off doing whatever. Oh, wait a minute. So he's got it in his brain now. He figures it out that he's being used basically. But he doesn't know if these cops are necessarily in on it. And he arrives and it's weird how that triggers. Like I heard him say raining like dogs and cats. And I went, yeah, like and then he says I'm riding the lift. And I went, you know, it's just it's weird how language will it will tell you where somebody's from? Or especially in New York. Yeah. Like they talk a very specific way, especially these people who have been embedded for a long time. Yes, dude. And then and then he gets he's already twitching a little bit. And then he's surrounded by gigantic, clean, shaven, jaw lines, Olympians from Eastern Europe. And he's like, motherfucker. Yeah. But why don't these guys again, these people are such idiots. Why don't they just kill him? They don't kill McLean. They know who McLean is. They know this is and they got the order to kill them. They got the order to kill him. Why? Why not just kill him? I feel like I feel like in this point or at this point, if they're if they're in uniform, you know, some of them are some of them are in uniform and like like undercover, essentially bad guys. So I feel like if they if they do that, then it blows the cover kind of. OK, so you're trying to tell me that perhaps a few of the people in that elevator were actual cops and actual security guards. Sure. So that means McLean is just a piece of shit. Terrible cop. Yeah. Yeah. Because he does not care. He kills everyone in that elevator. He's got a hangover. We see we see him. We see all of them at one point, like with Simon. Yeah. We so I don't think that's true. And wouldn't the normal security guard be like, who the fuck are you guys? Yeah, exactly. Bill. Bill's supposed to be here. Well, I guess I guess maybe more what I'm talking about is like when they're out there and Zeus takes those guys, the bomb or something that they just disarmed. Yeah, like after that whole thing. Yeah. And they do that and they like put it in the car. Like when they're standing outside, they don't want to like, you know, blow the cover. But then also Simon probably has it. I feel like he's got it to be like, regardless, if there's like a kill order of some kind, he's like, no, I'm going to get to do it. Maybe. Otherwise, you know, otherwise they don't get their share of the gold. They don't get their gold. I think that that is kind of it where they want to prolong this. They're bringing him to him. Yeah, as much as possible. Maybe I thought he had already left by that point. I mean, that's like his downfall really. Yeah, this whole movie is it was personal. He did make this personal. They could have got away with this. But claim could have died a long time ago. Yeah. Or don't let him be hung over somewhere. And we're just going to do this. Yeah. I mean, just literally say like, oh, yeah, I've been there. He's already got it pretty bad. I'm just going to go on about my day and, you know, steal Fort Knox. Yeah. You know, it'd be the only thing better than having my brother back, having one hundred and twenty billion dollars worth of gold with my hot bitch on my arm. That I probably I don't know what I'm going to do with it, but I got it. I'm kind of scared of her. Yeah. Turns me on, which is why I'm turned on. Yeah. Well, just this elevator scene is another one of the best scenes of brother of this movie. It's so cool. Like I said, this comes back. The badge number, he sees it on him. He's like, you guys play the lottery? You see the number? My wife plays the same two numbers. And yeah, I got the numbers right here. Bam, bam, bam. It just, man, it's it's just so close quarters. And there's a fucking blood. The last guy blows his brains out and there's just blood everywhere on him. And I love in action movies where the where the titular line is, oh, no, I'm OK. It's not my blood. That kind of shit. Yeah. So fucking awesome. That was that was what I wanted to bring up is him just he just moves through shit so quickly because of it. Like again, because of this hangover. I don't have time to deal with this. This is he's like, this is already the worst. I mean, yeah, that's an everything else just seems like an inconvenience at this point. Now it's fine. It's not my blood. Hey, check over there if there's aspirin in the global. Yeah. It's like, what the dude? It's so great. But does anyone in the history of film look more badass on screen than Bruce Willis with blood on him? No, I don't know what it is about the way that they make up design the blood on him, but he looks so bad ass every time he's covered in blood. Yeah, I agree. Why? It shouldn't be. It's perfect. I think it's just the it's this character. John McClain. That's maybe what it is. He just like he it's like it happened yesterday. He's like, yeah, another day on the job. You know, another day. But it also comes to the effect of like being hungover. It's like I the only thing on my mind really right now is trying to figure out what's going on and this bad fucking headache. It's like I don't care about blood all over me right now. If I could get a Dixie cup of water and a half of an alleve, I might be able to save the day. Maybe a burger. Maybe a burger. Just a little bit of grease. Just just a pan seared steak. What is it only like noon? Yeah, something. So it's not like some eggs. We have it still in some bacon. Like just just something to just just kind of, you know, a beer, a beer, a bloody coffee, hair of the dog. Man, I'm just saying a little hair of the dog. Temple of the dog. That's callback right there. Hey, all right. Don't you enjoy the scene for dump trucks haul the gold through the underground tunnels as McClain and Zeus give chase. They attempt to flood the tunnel, but McClain narrowly escapes. The pursuit leads to a tanker where Simon reveals his next move. He plans to destroy the gold crippling the global economy. Can we talk about the gold bars? Yeah, I got a prop. You want to prop it? Oh, here's a prop. Yeah, I want Zeus's gold bar. That's that's exactly what I want to. There's only one. I love how he takes it and breaks the window. Like that gold bar is what breaks the window. And then the fact that it was going to be this big plot line and then it gets left in the car. Yeah, it's fucking genius. And that dude's going to be pissed. He's not going to be pissed when he looks in the back seat. Damn it. That was my goal. My goal bar. I stole a fair and square. Nick Mad once John McClain's police badge. Well, I want Rick Walsh's police bag. Six nine, six nine, nine, nine, one. Also, when Zeus does pick up the gold bar at the Federal Reserve, he says, damn, this is heavy. An actual gold bar kept at the Federal Reserve weighs approximately 25 pounds. And they stole 140 billion. That would be worth. They're talking in like the inflation of those gold bars. Now it's two hundred and ninety trillion dollars is what is what that hole is equivalent to or worth. Gold's doing well, man. The dows of fifty thousand golds up. Shit. Golders up. County is great right now, dude. You got to diversify, man. Diversify your portfolio and like, you know, make a tactile bonds and decisions. Diversify. Start a new podcast. Index funds. I think I'm going to take my money out here soon. Yeah, you can take it out. Yeah. Put it in your mattress. Well, just like, like a casino that that locker full of money. I just kind of want to see it. Yeah, it's nice to just see it. It's going to be like four hundred dollars. But it's get it in once. I just get exactly. Yeah, like rolls of quarters. Like, yeah, nickels, nickels. Blank check. Um, yeah. What was I going to say? I know you were just go ahead. The gold bars. Yeah. As far as the inflation goes, weight does not change over time. No. Those dump trucks would not be able to handle all that gold. Didn't they say they would have needed like a hundred dump trucks and they still probably wouldn't have been able to what do we say? Twenty five pounds a bar. Yeah. Holy shit. Those things can handle a lot like sand and whatever, but not not that. The number one trivia on IMDB, it's because people liked it the most out of all. And I think it's valid that Jonathan Hensley was detained by the FBI after completing the script for this film because of all the extensive information about the Federal Gold Reserve that he was portraying in the movie. And he stated he got all the information from an article written in the New York Times. Yeah. They were like concerned. A big fuck you to them pretty much. They were concerned at how accurate his information was about what was in the Federal Reserve and how it was set up. And what was the statute of limitations of like that story getting out? Because I don't know. Like that makes him look stupid as fuck. Yeah. You didn't read this New York Times article, but you read my script. Yeah. I just took it from that. He also got like a tour or something of like the Federal Reserve, but I'm sure they didn't take him into Fort Knox, you know. Jesus. He's probably not in there like, yeah, he's not in Fort Knox like snapping shots on like his digital camera. That's fun. Oh, like some sort of tourist. Like, oh man, selfie, you know, that South Korea's gold selfie with the bars. Check it out. Hey, posting that up to Instagram. Look, I'm next to Turkey's cage. Hang on. I'm hanging on. I'm adding to my story. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. What's your tag? At Fort Knox. At Fort Knox. At Fort Knox NYC. At Fort Knox NYC. 69-420. Got it. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. I know you got a loveable face here. It's Jerry, man. Jerry. Dude, is Jerry the best? Jerry is the best. I wanted more Jerry. Let's be honest. I don't think I know a Jerry I don't like. That's true. I don't think I know a Jerry that I don't love. He, uh, he does one thing that bothers me. He honks his horn, but it's his, uh, like street horn on his steering wheel. Okay. And what comes out is his horn horn. Follow truck. That's, that's ridiculous. But other than that, Jerry may be like the most loveable face we've had of the year. He's, he's a normal, he's a normal companion here. You know, uh, McClain's been dealing with Zeus. He was a little aggressive all day. This guy's at least pretty chill, giving him, dropping some knowledge while he's driving. And then the way that, the way that he's like, Chester A. Arthur, like he just overhears it and knows it right away. Chester A. Arthur, 21st president. Ask him, ask him who the 21st president is. Chester A. Arthur. This like someone who loves the Mets or like the Yankees, that's all he likes and he loves his job. Goes to work. Loves it. Like knows all about what he's doing. The passionate. He knows all about the history of this aqueduct. I fucking love this. The man is, is the Fort Knox of facts. Yeah. He is. All right. I think there's a great analogy in there somewhere, but, uh, no, he's just like a guy who just drives this truck all the time and just probably reads a lot of national geographic. You know what I mean? Gets home drink, like drink some Miller High Life bottle on his porch while the puts the Mets game on. Yeah. A few small beers. Yeah. A few small beers. Doesn't get hammered. Yeah. He's just, he goes out his day. He's probably got a wife at home who's, who enjoys his company or nags him. I mean, a little bit, but they still have dinner together. They're still okay. That's why, no, maybe they don't talk. So that's why he's so talking. If it works, sure. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, one of those things is just, they're a TV family. I like to think that he's just alone. He's fine with it. He's just good. He's happy with that. Isn't that the fucking dream? Jesus Christ. Well, um, so McClain, um, is it? Sometimes. Should we cut that? No, no, no. It's just very chaotic in my house. I'm sorry. You can't, am I allowed to have dreams? My wife was gone for like four days. It's awesome. Sick as hell. I know. But it's awesome in knowing they're coming back. Absolutely. Cause then, you know, things are good again. Guys, I'm going to continue to tell you that McClain is a shitty cop. He does not know with 100% uncertainty that these two guys in the dump truck are bad guys. I agree. Yeah. No, he, I mean, you, we can rationally determine that maybe these are bad guys. You're, you're far enough, you're far enough behind like the, the front of this train. You know, and I, okay, he might not know how many trucks are in front of this one or how far along they are or how they're traveling. Yeah. And, but you're right. I thought the same thing. I'm like, he doesn't know. He's got to go up and at least check. He doesn't even, I don't even shoot these guys ricochets. Like what the hell happens here? He shoots them through a rear view mirror of some sort. Send Jerry up there. Send Jerry up there. Nice guy, Jerry. He'll, he'll talk to him. He'll figure it out. It's like, it doesn't make a whole lot of fucking sense. He just goes, he's just kind of trigger happy at this point. I think he's just pissed. You're blaming it on a hangover, but this is bad, bad police work. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. Jerry's just like, oh, those guys dead. Yeah. But turns out to be right. Hey, he does. Just saying. I think so. Fucking McLean, man. Fucking McLean, dude. Yeah, no, he is because they had the quarters. Ask questions later, man. Cop instinct, man. Cop instinct. Cop instinct. Cop instinct. This, you can tell like this was written and then rewritten for, for its betterment, like, I don't know, six, seven times. Probably. Several drafts of this. And then the die hard draft. Just that's why it's such good writing of like implanting these kind of McGuffins of like the quarters, like, why do they need quarters? The fucking whatever bridge or the, the, the, the ferry, whatever. Just really, really cool things to implant that and make, make all this, make the least bit of sense that we need for it to continue and for us to be fine with it. Right. But also aha moments. We're detectivvving. We're being detectives with McLean. Exactly. That's a good, oh, that's, that's great. Good detective work, McLean. We're being hungover detectives with McLean. Sounds awesome. All right. The flooding of this, not great, but worth it to see him shoot out of the top and conveniently land pretty much right on top of Zeus. Fucking wily coyote style. Just right out of there and just ends up, you might as well have held up a sign that just says, yipe. You know. Well, oh, man. If you, if you were to be like, Hey, Mike, you guys have done over 250 movies, almost 500 episodes over five years. You've done some crazy shit. What's the most just unrealistic, unbelievable thing you've seen in those, in that time period? I would, I would talk about this. Yeah. This, this is like, I, I don't mind it. And I know what we're doing here, but this is just like the idea that he even remotely could survive what is happening with the power of that water and the amount of that water coming down. There's no air gap. Like this is all coming at you with sharp pieces of metal flying in front of it from everything that was in the tube before it. The idea that you could hang onto that and the idea that you get shot out of it right when fucking Zeus drives by, it's like, okay, fine. It's a little convenient. This is, this is where the movie turns to where like, okay, man, this movie, the first third was so fucking sick. I kind of wish it was back. Yeah. Yeah. Even the, his act of taking that dump truck from a backwards into a sliding turn without stopping. With all the gold in it. We're having never driven a dump truck before. Probably it's, it's pretty like there at this point going, we got to keep upping what we've done so far. And at some point when you do the upping game in a movie, you're going to eventually go, it's like what the sequels would do later with like, yeah, McLean. While the plane, while the like jumbo jet is up in the air, however many feet he's on the wing standing, trying to get into the plane. It's like they would do something like that. Yeah, fuck it. Fast and furious. Exactly. As long as you buy into it, who cares? Yeah. And this is, this is a, the least offensive sort of logical gap that movies have done, you know, sure. I do want to make it a point in real life to start leaving notes in random places that say game over, like just on something, like put a, put like a, a can on the ground and somebody lifts it up and looks underneath it and says game over. Like I think I love that. It's like poop dollar. It's like putting turds on dollar bills and stuff, you know, like, except yeah, that's the game over one's fun. The other one, except have you ever played poop dollar? No, except now. Oh my God. Monster. Yeah. Have you ever played poop dollar? No, we know about your poop dollars. My age hasn't played poop dollar. We don't play, not everyone, no one else plays. Oh, so you want to play game over and have somebody have a panic attack in the streets? Yeah. Rather than poop dollar. There's therapy for that. Yeah. You know, there's no therapy for, for, you can't wash your hands enough. No, you might as well call it, you know, call it quits. No. Yeah. I just can't believe you guys haven't played poop dollar before. You know, why have you played? Cause it's awesome to watch somebody pick up a dollar and put it in their pocket and walk away. Take it easy, Mighty Ducks. Okay. This is where we got it from. Jackass, the movie. That's where we got it from. Yeah. You've, you've definitely played poop. I, I've heard the stories of your college poop dollars. College was a fun time. Yeah. I know. Apparently there's lots of poop, lots of dollars. Uh, you ever burn a couch in the middle of the street at three AM? Jesus. Now that sounds like fun. That I can get behind. Yeah. Right. Fuck it. Well, anarchy, nothing wrong with that. But a human feces on a dollar bill. Right. There's got to be lines, Mike. There's got to be line. You don't fuck with a man's dollar. You don't fuck with a man's dollar. You also don't fuck with his poop. But it's my poop. Oh, that's even worse. Somehow he stuck a dollar up someone's ass and made them grab it off the ground. Oh my God. Oh, I, I don't know where this is coming from. I've never played poop. The last thing I want is my own poop and, and, and my own evidence on this dollar. That was before 21 and me, you know, or whatever the hell that is, where they could take your poop and find out who's poop this is. So you were 21 when you did this? Is that what you're saying? Maybe it was March 22nd. Yeah, I don't know. Probably was actually springtime in Iowa City was a wild time. So the crane. Yeah. How is nobody in New York getting pissed at them for parking in the middle of two lanes and just hanging out there? Oh, they are, but it's normal on New York. I don't have a fear of bridges and heights, but if, if, if I'm going to be stuck on a bridge, like traffic comes to a complete stall. I agree with you. I don't think I could do that. When I was driving my truck for work, there was a long bridge I had to go over and there was a sign that said, if high winds be fucking careful, like drive at your own risk or whatever. Yeah. Every time I went over, it was high winds. I'm just like, fuck, fuck. I visited my brother when he was down in Biloxi. Going to go back and visit him too. For he's down there for like a, like a school for Air Force or whatever. And like that's where they have some of those bridges, like, like true lies. Yeah. Like those long over the water ones bothers me. Yeah. Like those are the ones. And it's the same thing. It's like we were on one. It's like, oh, we're there. No one's going on this because of the high winds. You're just like, yeah, I don't want to get stuck on that shit, but they don't have it closed or something. Yeah, they don't have it closed. You know, you could go if you want. Oh yeah. It's here. It's like you said, it's at your own risk. No one else is no way, dude. Good. For all I know, like some sort of jet is going to come and blow up a section of it. And then we can't go any further. You never know. You have to turn around and that's embarrassing. Yeah. So it's very, this is a rental. It's another great like set piece stunt. And like also like the detail of the wire getting stuck in his shoulder too. It's it's a really, really cool and a fucking sick ass shot with a wire. Splice that dude. Trying to figure out how it happened, but it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It's like jump. You kid. Are you crazy? You want to get cut in half for that thing? And then it cuts a guy in half. I was like, man, I've never seen such like obvious foreshadowing that wasn't obvious. Yeah. It's like clearly this is got somebody's going to get cut now, but I didn't see it coming. It's like it happens in passing almost. That guy never got any screen time. It's just like, don't let that thing cut you. That is just like in passing. It's just like, whoops, he didn't even get a shot off. He's just like, and then they pull him away. There's that scene where they got two hands and two legs and they're walking away with the body. It's like, oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha, man. That, Sean, yeah, you know, you get the tunnel and now you get them falling onto the bridge and the car and you're just like, okay, it starts to fall apart for me a little bit. Some of the good, good stuff is the bomb still in the school guys during his whole family and Charlie's working on it. But also I want to mention the actor Graham Green, who just passed away actually last year. He's the guy that goes back into the school once Zeus's kids. Good dude. Or his nephews are staying in there. He plays a native and a lot of stuff. Yeah. Him and Colin Camp go in there. Colin Camp is so cool to see in this. So hot, want to touch shiny for sure. But yeah, Graham Green is greatness. He's always great in every movie that he's in, but still a very tension filled scene. And we get some great sort of one liners from Charlie where he says no guts, no glory. And then it ends up being a fake. Yeah. Which I think when we did that, that our interview with John LeJwa, I was like, doesn't he die? Like, doesn't he actually sacrifice himself? But it's really actually very noble because he's like all the kids. He is. Yeah. All the kids, all the kids are all except for a few. He's like, I'm staying with the bomb. He was walking away when he heard the radio come back. But that, that brings up a humanized the goons here a little bit for these bad guys is like, he's like, we're never going to blow up a school. Not a monster. Kidding me? Yeah. I'm not a monster. They in reality, we don't even know if anyone's died. I'm assuming that building was probably empty. It was early in the morning. I don't think they've actually killed anyone other than some mistaken mishaps during the the gold rush, like that one guy gets sliced up. But no innocents have gotten killed here. And it's kind of a no. It's killed. But which one? Rick Walsh. Yeah. I mean, but that was his fault. You know, that's a collateral damage of that's law enforcement. Yeah, it's not innocence. Oh, they're not like real people. Yeah, you were. Oh, yeah. There you go. Yeah, yeah. I did not say that. No, Jesus. Jesus, Sean. It's like, that's Mr. Pink and Resward Dogs. Oh, yeah. Ah, movie reference. That's a. It was that was what it was. No real people. It's like funny. No, obviously people. All right. No, I got these cops. Not real people. Uh, it's like, Jesus. Then it makes me wonder, Mike. So if they wouldn't have interfered or if they would have like really fumbled it, like Zeus wasn't a part of this and they hadn't gotten to like the train and like the explosion stuff, like with the train explosion, it would have been as bad maybe as it turned out to be. No, that kind of a thing. Shit. OK. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, you know, that bomb wasn't actually going to be that bad. Like the baby that flipped in the damn train and that was throwing it off the back of it already. So maybe. OK. Maybe there were some innocence that we're going to get. But kids, no kids are old. Well, maybe some old, maybe some kids. No schools. No schools. OK. No dogs. No school. Yeah, that's very important. That's right. Yeah. Hey, call my wife. Calling UK wildlife. No, call my wife. Here's a cheese knife. Lester. Voice assistance, not working for you. With BlackRock Investment Trust's hands on investing, long term approach to growth and regular dividends. 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In the final showdown, Simon tries to escape via helicopter, but McLean improvises one last time, shooting a power line that crashes the chopper in a fiery explosion. In the aftermath, Zeus pushes McLean to call his estranged wife, bringing things full circle as the city and McLean finally catch their breath. On the ship, the real bombs on the ship, and they're all, they're both tied up to it pretty much. Like I said, the detail of the wire, piece of the wire in his shoulder as a lock pick is just so fucking sick. It's so John McLean to just get it, get it out of his shoulder with his mouth. And then a good partnership like because Zeus can pick locks and he's an electrician and everything. Yeah, I don't know, it's just, it's really cool filmmaking up to this point. And I love his lines, you're gonna blow it all up. This, like all this gold and McLean figures out he's like this grouper, if he's anything like his brother, he's taken that gold. This is a trick for sure. But we're all believing it. We're like, well, that seems like a really good plan. The cops buy it. Everybody's like, should it? That's where the Joker-esque ends. Because Joker would blow it up. He certainly would. But that's my question about Targo. Like, so if some of these people are not in on the full thing, right? Cause Targo is mad that we're not blowing this stuff up. So he's been told, he's the big guy. By the way, his name is Nick Wyman in real life. Do you recognize him? The big bad? You're gonna lose your shit. He was the lawyer in the taxi cab at the beginning of planes, trains and automobiles. I would know. Oh, okay. That is him. I can kind of see him now. I'll just picture his face with his suit and tie on. Okay, yes. Yeah. Remember he goes, he says something like, he's like, well, I should be, I'm a lawyer. Yeah, no, when he's like trying to bribe him for the cab, but John Candy steals the cab. Okay, look at this face right here. That's Targo. Look at that face. Targo. Okay. What did I say his name was? Nick Wyman? Sure. I will cut all this out. Nick Wyman, planes, trains. Wait, do you see this? Well, sort of. This is a better shot of him at least. Is it? Sure. Oh, here you go. Look, got him. Really? Cause I don't remember him smiling at all in the, oh God, yeah. Same dude. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, it's the jawline. It's the jawline. But yeah, he's an American playing a German, but he does it really well. He does it really well, but he's not in on this whole thing. He's pissed off about it. So I don't quite understand the dynamics here in this whole thing. It seems like there's underlying like, or ulterior motives, alternative motives. Yep. You had it. Ulterior motives. There you go. And it seems like there is, and just strictly from Simon. Cause even when he's amongst the group of all of his goons, and the guy says, for like our fallen comrades and stuff, but he almost seems like apprehensive about that. And as if they're ready to finish up this plan or something. But at this point, they've stolen everything and they're in Canada now. And the original plan was we're gonna sink it. That's what Tardo thought. But then all these other guys were like, we did it. So maybe there was just two fashions of these people that he just needed all these people. But some of them, the only way you could bring them on was to tell them we're doing corporate espionage. He just needed Tardo to make these bombs. Space, what it is. Yeah. Did Tardo make all the bombs? I thought they said that he was the bomb maker. Maybe he might've been. So that was my, that was my. But then he was also with Crazy Bitch, it seems. Yeah, that's what I thought too. Tardo was? Yeah, Tardo, it was, Crazy Bitch was Tardo. Simon steals Tardo's Crazy Bitch. Yeah. And then kill, and then gets him killed. Yeah, Simon says. Damn. And then Simon says, get over here. Yeah. And then she does. Simon says, and Simon fucks. I wanted Simon to fuck. We didn't get enough of that. I know. Yeah, I know. I know, man. Didn't get enough Jeremy Irons laying the iron, huh? Yeah. Wow. One of those iron workers, dude. Woo. Yeah, yeah. We'll talk more about laying pipe stuff, you know? Fuck yeah. Yeah. Does anybody have the story of the original ending on this? Yeah. No, because this is not how the movie was supposed to end. So his original, Hensley's original script was supposed to be that he does get away with it. He gets away with it. Simon gets away with it and goes to some sort of different country. I forget what country, but McClain tracks him down. Like six months later. Yeah, and has him play his own sort of Simon Says game. McClain says. And it ends with a culmination of him have like pointing a rocket launcher at Simon Says. And eventually shooting him with it. Basically, right? Is that what you were? That's what I heard. And I just don't know. Cause sometimes I hear the alternative endings and I go, man, should have done that. And sometimes I hear I'm like, thank God he didn't do that. And there was some way to make that work. It had been so fucking awesome. I don't like it, but I still think it would have been better than this. Cause I don't like the ending in this movie. It's kind of lackluster. It's extremely lackluster. You've been pinned a hundred mile an hour in this whole movie. You just kind of, you have this moment where it all sort of stops. Well, they got away. Oh shit, the blue and the aspirin. And then we're in Canada. And then just this whole helicopter, like the one helicopter crashes. And then they're in another, they're in this one. And then instead of shooting somebody in the helicopter or the helicopter, we were going to shoot a wire. Perfectly, you know, there's wind coming off of this helicopter. It's not going to affect this bullet. No. We're going to perfectly hit this wire to know that it's going to perfectly fall into this helicopter and kill them. And it just, yeah, it's like the weakest action of the movie and it's the climax. It is. And it seemed like just rushed because everything before this, like I said, like the first three quarters of this movie is just like some of the best action movie of all time. And yeah. And then like to have this sort of like, even with our big bad guy who we've grown to like kind of like, and at this point I compare to Hans, Gruber, and Rickman's performance in that, where it's like, it's maybe just as good, not fully, in a different way. But just as iconic, I would say. But yeah, then we get this sort of, it's just two shots, break it down, bring the helicopter down and he's dead in a fiery crash. And we're going, ha ha ha, next time. Exactly. Yeah. It's pretty much what we're doing. Like call your wife now. And that's it. It's a little, a little disappointing. There's a reason poetic justice exists in writing. You know what I mean? And this is exactly why. Because if you don't get something that is a little bit like a little bit more called back to like, why we're in this whole thing, him falling off of a building like Hans, you know, would have been something or falling from a helicopter like Hans, you know what I mean? If you pulled somebody on the street and you said, hey, how does the bad guy die and die hard? Yeah. You'd be like, oh dude, falls backwards. It's like this sick shot. This movie even reminds you. Yeah. And but then if you go, how did he die and die hard with a vengeance? You'd be like, oh man. He just dies, right? Was he on the ship? Or did the helicopter, did he get shot in the helicopter? It's not iconic at all. Yeah. No, and that's what I mean. It's like any sort of a callback, you know, you referenced it right away or, you know, early enough, like it would have been a good, I feel like it could have been a good play to reference it near the end here. And then, but again, him, like what has he done to John over this amount of time? The only thing is like him getting blown up. I guess it's an explosion, right? Kind of. Yeah, he didn't personally do anything like to John. I mean, he put him in some shitty situations. He didn't kill his wife or, it's like, so the tracking down six months later seems kind of weird. Like that would not fit. I would make fun of that. Be like, dude, who cares? It's not your money. This guy's not coming after you anymore. At this point, it's not even your job, bro. It's the FBI and like Interpol. Like that's it. So sorry. Yeah, it's a little lame. I do one last note. I really love Michael Kamen's music in this, the score for this movie because in the beginning it's like really kind of thriller-y. It's like kind of even like seven-ish a little bit. Just like kind of spooky a little bit because we don't see our bad guy until 48 minutes in. But then the exciting stuff too. And I love this shot of when the spotlight kind of goes out of McClain's eyes and they both see each other, him from the helicopter and McClain from the ground. I do like that shot a lot, but that's about it. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. Well, boys, we have dissected the movie scene by scene. Time to give it air, modern ratings. This will be etched in stone. You guys can see all the ratings for all the movies we've done at confusedbreakfast.com. That's also one of the best ways to know if we've done a movie. Just look on the list, try to find it. You can support the show directly by going to patreon.com slash confusedbreakfast. Great perks, voting on upcoming movies, direct access to us in the Discord, weekly bonus audio episodes. And of course the top tier, the little Lebowski Urban Achiever tier, gets your reviews, red on air. Before we drop our final scores, AJ, you wanna take turns? Oh, we got a couple of people in the private chat today. You wanna hit them with me? A couple of peeps. Yeah, let's do it. These are the good peeps out there. Right reviews, man. All right, Mike G coming on back through. I can watch this movie 50 more times and have it explained to me with illustrations and finger puppets. I will never understand the solution to the water puzzle. Modern day 8.4. NC Welder in the house. He actually put some pictures in there. He is a New Yorker by trade and he's- NYC Welder. He is an NYC Welder, so we got some cool photos from him inside of that. Hell yeah. He says, the thing that makes this movie so special is the two main protagonists, the banter between Willis and Jackson's Unreal, the small nod to Pulp Fiction when they first meet. It's pretty awesome. I also think Jeremy Irons really nails his role. He is perfectly conniving and menacing right from the first phone call. The entire city of New York as a set piece also holds up as a strong choice for the success of this film. I grew up in Northern New Jersey and became a steam fitter and pipe welder on many projects around NYC. My proudest moment is helping rebuild the World Trade Center after 9-11. The way the city is represented in the movie is nothing short of perfection. The people and the atmosphere are all true to form. The only issue with the movie was a slightly lackluster ending. Hard to maintain that 100 mile an hour pace for two and a half hours. Stalgic 8.8, modern 8.2. One of those photos is him from like the top of the World Trade Center. No shit. Hanging over the side, it's fucking wild. I gotta check him out. Yeah, Jason B. Controversially, might be my favorite die hard. Shame on the streamers changing the sign that McLean has to wear in Harlem. That's exactly why he was in danger, right? The German dude swinging a Bruce around like an Olympic hammer was the start of the beginning. As far as ludicrous shit happening in this movie. Bringing in Sam Jackson was amazing. More him, less gycourtney. Nine out of 10 nostalgic, nine out of 10 modern. And the last one we got Uncle Buck Hunter. First time I watched this was with my buddies pre-gaming before a night of drinking in college and I was totally all in from the beginning. And just when I think it couldn't possibly get any better, I rewatched it and it totally redeemed itself. The dynamic between Bruce Willis and Sam Jackson worked so well. They're like a more gritty myrtleg and rigs. Jeremy Irons with that haunting voice as the big bad is perfect. He has a way of making you feel like he's constantly five steps ahead of you. And hey, wasn't the bomb guy from the criterion classic Christmas with the Cranks? Well played. The movie hardly ever has a lull. There could be bombs literally anywhere and everywhere, always keeping you on alert. I agree with Mr. NYC Welder. It was a lackluster ending. They could have at least dropped Gruber out of a four-year story window like his brother or had him get blown up by his own bomb, whatever at least his stupid girlfriend is gone. Nostalgic nine, modern 8.5. So Sean, you brought this to the table. What are you thinking, man? I love this movie. I do, like I said in the beginning and what that reviewer just said there, I think it's my favorite die-hard and one of my favorite action movies nonetheless. As I said, the first three quarters of this movie, don't let up. It's completely riveting all the way through. You get a hungover John McClane with a badass quip wielding Sam Jackson, and it's a perfect movie up until the ending. It just loses its steam. It's kind of a shame that it doesn't really stick to landing, although it does not take away from what I love about this movie at all. I could watch this any day. Summer New York movies have a special place in my heart. I love all of the New York shots that we get in this. I love that this movie is practical almost all the way through. John McTiernan, one of our best action directors. I'm gonna give, I gave the original die-hard a 9.6, a standby that I'm gonna give this what Mike gave the original die-hard. I'm gonna give this an 8.2. 8.2, for me, you know, I do like the first one better. I'm not gonna get into that camp. I do feel like it's a little trendy to be like, die-hard three, best matter one. Let me clarify, this is my favorite die-hard, not the best die-hard. Yes, okay. And also, there is like this thing that just gets me about the die-hard movies. It's the Christmas thing, and I thought we would get away from that, but nope, not in this one. We've got, no, it's Santa Claus. The shoplifting kids always say, it's Christmas, you can steal City Hall in the aqueduct. McClain says, we got a report of some guy coming through here with eight reindeer. And they say he was a jolly old fat guy with a snowy white. Like they just will not stop with the Christmas references, even in like a summer die-hard movie in New York. It's like they became aware of it. Yes. You know, and we're like, let's mix it in there. The guy says, Charlie White says, and a partridge in a pear tree at the very end. It's like, come on, that's the one thing that keeps me a little bit off of the die-hard train. But here's the thing. Why? Just cause it's like, it's just dumb. That it's like we have to get in this argument about Christmas. They're not in on the argument. They're just, it's just references. These guys are in on it. I don't know. But here's the thing, Sean. I still love, I gave die-hard a real watch when we did it and it gave it an A.2. I loved, I loved die-hard. I'm glad we came back into it. And I'm glad I got to come back into this one because I, these are great movies. These are like the definition of action movies. And I do like the first one better because I don't like that it just kinda, but this is great. This is a 7.7. Like this is, I'm putting this exactly even with Ghostbusters, another one of my favorite New York movies. New York movies. New York movies. AJ, what do you got, man? New York, that's my, so AJ, New York accent for me, okay? What are you doing New York? What are you doing, huh? That's so bad. I am walking here. I am, hey. Hey. Watch out, I'm walking here. Hey, I'm walking here. Hey, I'm walking here. I don't know about that one, huh? That's good. Guys, I don't know. So I'm a little bit torn, kind of right between you guys, I feel almost. Only because like it is, like this is unfortunately, it just kinda lets me down by the time we get to, even like the second part of the third act, if you will. Like we just, it just kind of fizzles out on itself after we've had such a long run who said it, it's really hard to- To keep it 100 miles an hour. Keep it 100 miles an hour for two and a half hours, man. And I get that, and I think, I feel that by this point. I'm so enthralled by the first, at least half of the movie, but I think it all kind of turns once he turns that thing over and that says game over for me, and that's when it kind of starts to hit the roadblock. That scene also didn't make much sense. No, it didn't make much sense at that point, because other than like they were trying to tie up loose ends, you know? And that's kind of, that's, I think that's a good way to honestly maybe describe how the movie does finish up. It's like they're trying to, they're trying desperately to tie up all the loose ends that they kind of left themselves open for. And it gets a little bit haphazard. That being said, I agree. I think that this is, it's die-hard movies are right up there in some of the best action movies, especially when we were talking about the normal guy action movies, right? So I really do like it. I think where I've got to sit on this is a 7.87. 0.87. Solid. Go to Nick Madd, executive producer. He says upon rewatch, I discovered there is still a lot to love about this film, but maybe it hasn't aged well. It definitely runs a little long and the third act keeps building to a finale that doesn't feel climactic. I also found it vastly more over the top than I remembered. I can always separate reality from film, but seriously, some of the decisions were expected to believe these characters make go from unnecessary to plain absurd. That being said, after decades of superhero films with perfect stunts and action movies with catchy dialogue, there's a charisma to John McClain that still makes with a vengeance enjoyable. He drinks, he smokes, he swears, he gets suspended from work, and even his own wife and co-workers can't stand him. He's got no flashy suit and he's neither hero nor vigilante, and yet there's something still refreshing about watching this underdog in a dirty shirt smoke a cigarette after he smokes some bad guys. There's a charm to him that keeps me entertained regardless of how absurd the adventure is. Cheers, modern day rating a 6.5. As a group, we are 7.57, which is gonna take this bad boy 7.57. Ooh, it is tied in the 103rd spot with the jerk. We do think that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and the Warriors are slightly better than this, but we think this movie is better than Tombstone and Super Troopers. I'll tell you this, I recently re-watched after some banter we've had about the Ninja Turtles and such, and we re-watched number one again, and I am telling you, that movie is so damn good. It is. And perfect. So it makes sense to me, yeah. Well, we hope you enjoyed the episode. 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