Pop Culture Crisis

Euphoria Premiere Drama, Aubrey Plaza Pregnancy Backlash, Amanda Bynes Comeback!

121 min
Apr 8, 202611 days ago
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Summary

Pop Culture Crisis episode 1028 covers Euphoria Season 3 premiere drama with alleged cast tensions, Aubrey Plaza's pregnancy announcement sparking discourse about grief timelines and gender dynamics, and Amanda Bynes' music comeback and financial struggles. The hosts also discuss Wonder Woman casting debates, alpine divorce trends on TikTok, and various celebrity news.

Insights
  • Identity politics in casting decisions (female directors for female-led films) may be less important than writer involvement, as demonstrated by Wonder Woman's original success under male writers
  • Alpine divorce trend reveals communication failures in relationships rather than malicious intent, with most incidents stemming from different expectations and poor planning
  • Red pill discourse weaponizes incomplete celebrity timelines to promote anti-marriage narratives, ignoring context that contradicts their arguments
  • Amanda Bynes represents a paradox of fame: paparazzi attention without earning potential, creating a unique form of social limbo distinct from traditional celebrity
  • TikTok trends around 'savine therapy' and arrest roleplay suggest women are seeking physiological responses tied to male dominance, contradicting feminist messaging
Trends
Alpine divorce trend on TikTok revealing gender dynamics and safety concerns in outdoor datingRed pill communities using celebrity pregnancies to promote anti-marriage messaging with selective factsDiscourse around appropriate grief timelines for public figures, particularly women moving on after spousal deathTikTok trends involving roleplay scenarios (arrest, dominance) gaining popularity among women despite feminist cultural messagingCelebrity financial struggles becoming visible through public wishlists (Amanda Bynes Amazon list)Casting debates shifting from director gender to broader questions about creative vision and writingEuphoria cast tensions and alleged avoidance at premiere events driving speculation about behind-the-scenes conflictsInfluencer integration into prestige TV premieres (Trisha Paytas on HBO) blurring lines between celebrity and content creator status
Topics
Euphoria Season 3 premiere and cast dynamicsWonder Woman reboot casting and director gender requirementsAubrey Plaza pregnancy announcement and grief timeline discourseAlpine divorce trend and hiking date safetyAmanda Bynes comeback and financial situationGender dynamics in outdoor activities and relationshipsRed pill discourse and anti-marriage narrativesCelebrity privacy versus public speculationTikTok trends and relationship roleplayInfluencer presence at prestige television eventsFemale-led superhero film creative directionSavine therapy and physiological responses to dominanceZendaya and Sydney Sweeney alleged premiere tensionsTrisha Paytas HBO appearance and credibilityiPhone obsolescence and product lifecycle
Companies
HBO
Network airing Euphoria Season 3 and featuring Trisha Paytas in new season
Warner Bros.
Studio overseeing DC Universe and Wonder Woman reboot under James Gunn
Paramount
Mentioned as potential acquirer of Warner Bros. in future corporate speculation
Apple
Criticized for making older products like iPod Touch obsolete and preventing music downloads
Create Music Group
Record label signing Amanda Bynes for new single 'Girlfriend'
Vox Media
Parent company of Collider magazine publishing Wonder Woman director gender requirement article
Collider
Entertainment publication arguing Wonder Woman reboot requires female director
The Guardian
Published think piece on alpine divorce trend and relationship dynamics
Climbing Magazine
Source for expert commentary on alpine divorce and outdoor dating safety
Amazon
Platform hosting Amanda Bynes' public wish list with gift requests
Meta
Company whose glasses products appear on Amanda Bynes' wish list
Gucci
Luxury brand glasses featured on Amanda Bynes' Amazon wish list
Miu Miu
Fashion brand Sydney Sweeney has active contract with despite alleged boycott claims
Armani
Fashion brand Sydney Sweeney maintains contract with despite alleged fashion house boycott
Jimmy Choo
Luxury brand Sydney Sweeney has active contract with despite alleged industry blacklisting
People
Brett
Co-host of the podcast discussing pop culture news and trends
Mary
Co-host providing commentary and analysis on celebrity news and social trends
Zendaya
Star of Euphoria Season 3 allegedly avoiding Sydney Sweeney at premiere event
Sydney Sweeney
Euphoria cast member allegedly avoided by Zendaya at Season 3 premiere
Aubrey Plaza
Announced pregnancy at age 41, sparking discourse about grief timelines after husband's death
Jeff Baina
Aubrey Plaza's ex-husband who died by suicide in January 2025, subject of timeline discourse
Chris Abbott
Aubrey Plaza's current partner with whom she is expecting her first child
Amanda Bynes
Released new single 'Girlfriend' and signed record deal; maintains public Amazon wish list
Gal Gadot
Current Wonder Woman actress being replaced in DC Universe reboot
James Gunn
Overseeing Wonder Woman reboot and responding to casting rumors
Patty Jenkins
Directed original Wonder Woman (2017) which grossed $824M, subject of creative credit debate
Alan Heinberg
Wrote original Wonder Woman screenplay; also wrote The O.C., Grey's Anatomy, Sex and the City
Zack Snyder
Involved in original Wonder Woman story development alongside other writers
Greta Gerwig
Barbie director cited as example of female filmmaker bringing emotional perspective to female-led film
Craig Gillespie
Directing Supergirl for DC Universe; previously directed I, Tonya and Cruella
Trisha Paytas
Attended Euphoria Season 3 premiere with cameo role; subject of criticism for HBO appearance
Hunter Schaefer
Euphoria cast member present at Season 3 premiere; transgender actress
Alexa Demi
Euphoria cast member photographed with Sydney Sweeney at premiere
Maude Apatow
Euphoria cast member present at Season 3 premiere event
Scooter Braun
Attended Euphoria premiere with Sydney Sweeney; subject of speculation about her career
Quotes
"She didn't even wait six months before getting a new partner and getting pregnant. This is what modern relationships are like. Before women used to wait a lifetime for their husbands."
Social media commenter (quoted by hosts)Alpine divorce/Aubrey Plaza segment
"I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow, and I was like, F it, just go ahead of me. He did without hesitation."
MJ (alpine divorce victim, quoted from The Guardian)Alpine divorce segment
"The writer would be a more important figurehead there than the director. Right. Well, they make a comparison to the performance of Barbie in this article."
BrettWonder Woman discussion
"There is something so comforting about Amanda Bynes that I might be the only person with this opinion. It's something about the way she conducts herself in her daily life and social media, she just doesn't care."
MaryAmanda Bynes segment
"If you invite someone on a hike, you're acting as their de facto guide. Would a guide just storm off on their clients? Of course not. They move at the pace of the slowest member."
Hiking expert (quoted from The Guardian)Alpine divorce segment
Full Transcript
What is going on, Crisis Actors? It is episode 1028 of Pop Culture Crisis. I hope all of you guys are doing well today. My name is Brett. I am here once again, as always, with my co-host. Would you introduce yourself, please? Hello, Crisis Actors. It's Mary. Brett, off-air, said that I'm bringing the vibe down, so I'm going to do my best. Did I say that? To bring the vibe up. How did I, when did I say that? You said Mary bringing the vibe down again. Was it, I don't know what it was in regards to. I've already forgotten. Were you bringing the vibe down? I was just complaining about stupid tweets that I've seen. I won't get into any more specifics than that. But we have a $20 super chat here from Shane H. Wilder. Happy Wednesday, Brett and Mary. Congratulations to Amber Rose, the religious hippie, and her husband on expecting their first child. Yes, all online Catholics know each other and watch PCC. We have a monthly mimosa and Bloody Mary brunch. I kind of believe you for some reason. I hope that's true, at least. That sounds like a fun time. Bloody Mary brunch. And yes, congrats to Amber Rose. I did see her pregnancy announcement on Instagram. That's cool. There you go. And I do, before we get started, have to brag about a couple of things. Go for it. First of all is that I just got my new iPod Touch fourth generation up and working, and I just have to demonstrate some of the sounds that it makes. How many songs on that bad boy? So I can't download music on it. What? Because it's inoperable. Because Apple made it obsolete. So because they do continue to iTunes or something? Yeah, if I try to open the App Store or iTunes on this device, it says it just cannot connect even though I'm connected to Wi-Fi. So what the hell do you use it for? The reason I have this is for camera, like for the camera. Okay. For taking pictures in like really, really low quality. Because look at that little like pinhole sized camera right there. Compared to like this, I mean even this is like smaller than most iPhones. Yeah. But I miss this. This is why I have it. But the sounds are so nostalgic. I hope these are audible. That's what the... Unlocking the phone like that. Do it again. Do it one more time. I think I said something there. Go quick. Okay, wait. There's the unlock sound. Did you hear it? Yes. And then this is the one that turns off. Great stuff. Amazing. And, like, I haven't turned off any of the tones because I like them. And this is typing. Nobody has, like, this sound that makes this anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, like, it feels, like, so tiny. But it's only because phones are, like, retardedly huge these days. And also the camera still makes a noise. Here, I'm going to see if you can hear this one. I love it. I love it so much. That's amazing. I got distracted, and I don't remember what I was about to brag about second. Intro stuff, I don't know. Maybe I'll just remember later. There you go. There you go. Guys, you should hit the like button on this video and subscribe to the channel if you are new here and you have not subscribed here yet already. Please and thank you. Remember to share the episode out with your friends and your family and your loved ones, the people in your life that you both love and hate. The more people that you share the show with, the faster this channel can grow, which is one of the best ways that you can help us. Also, liking the videos, like the segments, and checking out the segments, that's a great way to help get us back in the algorithm, as we have kind of fallen out of favor, because I was out sick for over a week, so we were getting decimated in our algorithmic spots. We want to fix that, so go ahead and like the videos and all that stuff. We appreciate it. What are we getting into today? Well, Euphoria Season 3 is out. It has like 57% from the critics, but I suppose that doesn't really matter, all that really matters. It's what you degenerate viewers think of the show, right? Is it actually out on... It's out for critics. I'm assuming that it's coming out soon, but critics have their reviews out. But they did a premiere. They did a world premiere, and there seems to be some drama going around. Which of these is not showing up in photos with one of these other people? We'll have to wait and see and talk about who is avoiding whom at the premiere for Euphoria Season 3. I also was reading recently that they said likely this will be, I think Zendaya said this is likely going to be the last season. It's not shocking to anyone. So we'll talk about that. We're going to talk about Aubrey Plaza. There's been a bit of a hullabaloo going around on the interwebs because she is apparently pregnant with her first child. She is 41 years old, and it's become a big story because of her, not even her ex-husband, her husband, who had committed suicide, what, was it January? About a year ago or more. About a year ago. But they had been split up for, I believe, four months prior to. Into early 2024, I believe. It's a whole timeline thing. And people are having a discussion where they're debating, you know, what is the appropriate amount of time for something like this to go. It's all a bit, honestly, kind of gross. But it is interesting, given that a lot of it has more to do with the fact that they just don't seem to know the information about her personal life. nor should you expect to have access to that. But as a celebrity, unfortunately, you do have to just assume that people are going to assume they know and then have opinions. So we will have a rather unpleasant discussion about that. And to make matters worse, ladies and gentlemen, it's over for all of you in a relationship because I have learned from Mary just what apparently alpine divorce is. And if you want to know what it's all about, you're going to have to wait and see. I feel so vindicated for not being a hiker now. Like, I feel so vindicated in being a treadmill girly. Like, if I'm on a walk, it's on the Stairmaster or a treadmill indoors. I am not going to have any part in hiking anywhere. Especially now. Yeah, especially now that we know Alpine divorce is spreading. on top of that we've got these insane like ccp origin ticks that are giving people allergies to red meat and ruining their lives like i i want no part of the outdoors i cannot be more clear about this it's just a mess all right so you guys have to wait and see i'm sure you're gonna love that topic so if you are ready mary we will go are you ready yeah let's go let's go forth then all right Ladies and gentlemen, let's talk about the character of Wonder Woman. As we know, the DCEU is no more. It appears that Gal Gadot will be no more in the role of Wonder Woman. But what is going to happen is they will eventually recast and make a new Wonder Woman movie with James Gunn. Assuming James Gunn lasts long enough once Warner Brothers is sold to Paramount and he doesn't just decide to kick rocks and F off somewhere else and make other kinds of movies. But they are in the process now of writing articles, debating who they believe is going to be cast. There's all sorts of rumors going around on who is going to play the character of Wonder Woman. Adria Ajorna is one of the names that is being floated. James Gunn has responded to a bunch of these claims, as he always seems to do. He always has the time to respond to these claims. But one thing is for sure if you're Collider magazine, and that is, of course, that if you're going to make another Wonder Woman movie, it needs to be directed by a woman. Yeah, I mean, you're never going to escape 2016, 2017, 18, 19 if outlets like Collider and other ones under the Vox Media umbrella have anything to say about it. Hence this article. It says, The DCU's Wonder Woman reboot has one clear requirement. It needs to be directed by a woman. With James Gunn reshaping the franchise, the next take on Diana carries the weight of what made Wonder Woman such a cultural milestone in the first place. That film didn't just succeed because of the scale. It resonated because of the perspective behind it, something this reboot can't afford to lose, which would be namely Patty Jenkins responsible for 2017 and then the later sequel. That was only given like a clause of a mention in this article, by the way. They like barely acknowledge the existence of Wonder Woman 1984 and say it was less warmly received, which is an understatement to say the least. Yeah, some of the tweets rightly pointed out that Wonder Woman definitely takes advantage of a guy. She definitely assaults a guy. Explain this to me again, because having not seen either of these films, I just see a bunch of allegations that Wonder Woman is a rapist, and I have no idea what the context is. I know you've explained it before, but give me a refresher. Okay, so basically in the movie, like she, the character, like Chris Pine's character is, You know, let me see if I can pull it up here because I want to be able to do it justice and pull it off. Let's get through it here and I'll explain it at the end of the segment. But before we get into any of that, I do want to explain this. So Wonder Woman won $824 million, which was in fact directed by Patty Jenkins. So it's fair to point that out. Wonder Woman 2, $169 million. There's a very, very large gap in the two. Obviously, Wonder Woman 1984 came out during COVID. so it's not entirely fair to lay that all at the feet of Patty Jenkins. But here's the problem. Patty Jenkins wrote Wonder Woman 2 and directed it. Wonder Woman 1 was not written by Patty Jenkins. It was written by, the story was done by Zack Snyder, Alan Heinberg, Jason Fuchs, and the screenplay was done by Alan Heinberg. Now here's the funny thing about it. Alan Heinberg himself, from all the research that I've done, seems to prove the point that you don't actually need to be the same gender as your target demographic. I'm going to let you in on some of the stuff he's known for writing. The O.C., Grey's Anatomy, Sex and the City, Party of Five, and Gilmore Girls. All shows that he's worked on. Jason Fuchs didn't just do Wonder Woman. Did he grow up with a lot of sisters? Maybe. Maybe that's the predictor. Jason Fuchs did Wonder Woman, obviously. he was one of the writers responsible for Argyle, which you were actually quite a big fan of, and then Welcome to Derry, which is considered to be extremely successful. But Alan Heinberg himself seems to prove the point, right, that you don't need to be a specific gender to write for something that might be, for the most part, written for somebody else. Well, to get to the gist of it, here is how they credited Patty Jenkins, instead of the writer with the creative vision behind the more successful Wonder Woman movie. They say, grossing over $820 million worldwide and earning the DCEU's best reviews to date, Wonder Woman proved there was an appetite for blockbusters led by women and made by women. Jenkins was able to bring a different perspective to Diana's character that helped differentiate her from other heroes that audiences were accustomed to seeing. Speaking to the New York Times, prior to the film's release, The director discussed how she pushed to make Diana more vulnerable, which prompted discussion with the studio. That's been a problem with some of the female characters they've tried to put forth. They're too hard or too strong. A Variety story from 2017 revealed it was a rare blockbuster that nearly achieved male-female parody in its audience demographics, indicating that more women were going out to see it. Thanks to the TV series from the 70s, Diana was already a symbol of strength for fans across the globe, but the movie introduced her to a new generation, one that was already hungering for better female-led stories, though the DCEU ended on a downbeat, and the 2020 sequel, Wonder Woman 1984, was far less warmly received. Patty Jenkins' film remains a Hyatt watermark for the franchise. So basically in Wonder Woman 1984, Steve's soul is put into a random guy's body, and Diana goes on dates with him, and then eventually has sex with him, and this guy has no autonomy over his own body because what she sees is Steve Trevor, and it's not Steve Trevor. It's just a random guy. The audience sees Steve Trevor because they're seeing it through her eyes, right? It's creepy, and it was weird, and people were like, okay, so this random guy just got taken over, and his body is used for something that he didn't consent to. okay was that a point of controversy at the time oh yeah oh yeah i mean did they answer for it in any way i don't believe it ever got like i'm guessing none of the outlets they were doing press with were gonna dare bring it up right like why would they bring it up they they want to maintain access to the studio they're basically saying like what a like i guess her logic is like What a lucky guy. I mean, that is, to be fair, how men react to worse real-life headlines about men and boys being taken advantage of, to be honest. But the thing is, okay, yeah, but that's at the feet of men, right? This is not written by a man. It's written by a woman who supposedly has more emotional intelligence than that. When these were released during COVID, do you mean on streaming? No, no, no. This went to theaters, 2020. In 2020? Mm-hmm. Wow. Okay, well, it was handicapped by that, for sure. Oh, absolutely. I mean, but the movie was awful. Like, Wonder Woman is great. The sequel was awful. Already the DCU's Wonder Woman is saddled with high expectations, even beyond the passion for the brand. James Gunn's Superman won over audiences and reignited interest in a wider DC world. That movie's portrayal gave an idea of how this franchise is going to handle its characters, and Wonder Woman fans are going to want to see the same care given to their favorite hero. So considering all that she means to people around the world, it's only fitting that her movie be directed by a female filmmaker. Oh, your microphone cut out, so just come back there. See, here's the thing. I actually don't think it's most important if it's directed by a woman. What I would say, like, if you're going to take the identity politics route, excuse me, and you want to say that a woman has to be the person in charge of bringing this character to life, you could maybe make the argument that a female writer might be able to bring a certain perspective that a male writer could not. I would argue that Alan Heinberg, the writer of Wonder Woman 1, proves that that is not the case. But certainly, if you are in that camp and you believe this to be true, the writer would be a more important figurehead there than the director. Right. Well, they make a comparison to the performance of Barbie in this article. Which is about women stuff that women like. Obviously not a great analogy. It's a horrible analogy. Saying that Greta Gerwig is to credit for this scene in Barbie where she sits on this park bench or at the bus stop, rather, next to the elderly woman. And then they have this tearful moment where Barbie calls this woman beautiful. and they say it's the kind of scene other filmmakers might find expendable, which I assume means male filmmakers, but ultimately spoke to women of all ages. So I guess the argument for a female director is that there's going to be more emotional stuff in the Wonder Woman reboot because of that. I don't know. Here's the problem, though. Barbie benefits from speaking to women of all ages. Superhero movies benefit from speaking to everyone because they're universal concepts, right? Good and evil are concepts that matter to both men and women. The intersectional feminism or the feminism of Barbie speaks to women specifically, and I guess male feminists, if such a thing matters in that context, but you're speaking to the women specifically, Whereas the themes that would go into making a superhero movie should theoretically speak to everybody because they have more to do with good and evil, right and wrong, universal concepts, which do not require somebody of a specific gender to be able to touch on more broadly. It says the Barbie movie audience was predominantly female with data showing 66.2% of moviegoers were women. And I'm guessing most of the men who went to see Barbie in theaters were accompanied by their wives or girlfriends or daughters, perhaps. We got a 20 here from Pop Culture Junkie says, I saw the second Wonder Woman and I thought, who kidnapped Patty Jenkins and replaced her with the hack who directed this movie? always said this turd. That's even funnier. There's still a lot that must happen before the DCU's Wonder Woman can get underway, as the script must be completed, and the already announced TV show Paradise Lost about Diana's home of Themyscira likely needs further development as well. Whenever it does come to fruition, though, it needs to have a female director at the helm. Wonder Woman means so much to so many people, and she needs a creative... Sorry. ...who understands that it's the best and only option for her reinvention in the new DCU. I disagree. So the argument is essentially that Wonder Woman means so much to so many people that a woman should be in charge of it. It's just a very flimsy opinion piece. They could have done a better job at making the argument. I don't think that there's an argument to be made. I think that the best directors can cross boundaries, can cross barriers and direct for anybody if they know what they're doing because they understand the themes of those projects. Now, like I said, the writer might be something completely different. The funny thing about it is Zack Snyder was heavily involved in the writing of the original Wonder Woman. The first Wonder Woman movie was basically a fish out of water story, which again is something that can resonate with both men and women feeling out of place. Some, you know, somewhere where you don't belong and trying to make it well to be fair to the journalist that wrote this they did mention that it doesn't have to be a female director to make a good story about a woman and they mentioned different examples of blockbusters led by women that were directed by men such as alien wicked and the entire hunger games franchise the dcu's own inaugural female-led movie Supergirl is helmed by Craig Gillespie, is that how it's pronounced? Who has already successfully brought complicated female characters to life with I, Tonya, and Cruella. Everyone knows Cruella was a massive success. Wonder Woman, though, is different. She's the superhero who broke the glass ceiling in so many ways. What do you mean, though? Jennifer Lawrence was the first female action star, and she did Hunger Games, so I don't know what you're talking about. Making her a feminist symbol in a way that few other female heroes are viewed. Here's the problem, though. It should be a hero first, not a feminist hero. I know it should not be a feminist story. It should not. I didn't know that Patty Jenkins had said that about female leads before, about how they're portrayed as too headstrong and not vulnerable enough. Well, that's that's kind of the point, right? If you create the Captain Marvels of the world, if you're afraid to show them as vulnerable or failing, then you're going to miss an entire step in the process of becoming a hero, especially with origin stories. The entire premise of the origin story is supposed to be that they find their powers, learn how to handle them, and they have to make up along the way because they don't always succeed. Yeah. I don't know. I think that they're missing the mark with comparing Wonder Woman to Barbie, because Barbie was always going to be a movie for a female audience. Wonder Woman is like the ideal scenario is that, like they said, you approach gender parity with the box office demographics. But even that's not entirely necessary. Yeah, it doesn't really make any sense. It's like to me with Barbie, you don't benefit from trying to pull in a four quadrant audience. You benefit from saying we need to make this as female as possible. Superhero movies by the very nature of the genre don't do that. Exactly. Because women don't care. Just own that that's the genre for the movie. Exactly. Why can't they do that? Accept that. All right. Let's move on. We've got more stuff to get into. By the way, I will say before we move on, the thing with Wonder Woman in him, it is one of those things that you think about after the fact. But somewhere along the line, like a lot of stuff happens between the writing of a movie, the writing, the rewrites, the filming, the editing, the re-editing, that somebody along the way should have been like, that's kind of weird. But nobody did. With the 1984 storyline? Yeah. It should have been. And I guess, like I said, it would have been just as bad if a dude had done that. But the whole idea here is supposed to be that women are more emotionally intelligent and should theoretically be more, I guess, put off by the idea of somebody's not having bodily autonomy. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Or is it just because the shoe is on the other foot that suddenly it's okay now? That's not really how it works in the public discourse. It's definitely weird and an oversight, but not one that I would expect from a movie coming out in the big 26. Yeah. All right, let's move on. So every once in a while, we check in with the life of Amanda Bynes, all of the epic highs and lows of what's going on with her. And just last week, she turned 40, in case any of you millennials in the audience need a reminder of the fact that you're getting old. And she is showing no signs of slowing down. In fact, she just signed a record deal with Create Music Group and plans to release a new single titled Girlfriend. And I heard a snippet of this a while back that she posted on Instagram and honestly thought that it's kind of a banger. But maybe you guys are going to disagree. This is just the type of music that I generally like. so let's listen for ourselves I'm going to play it for everybody I'm telling you right now if she dances to this at the pace the song is done she's going to lose weight in no time let's listen I love everything you do it's very 2007 I love it it's very 2007 should we keep listening or do you want to Yeah. Okay, we'll play it to the end. I mean, this could be a 2026 club banger. And she produced it herself. That is, in fact, her real voice on the track with lots of autotune, but it is her voice. And they put up this announcement from the record label about bringing her on to the Create family. There were a ton of people who were deeply distressed by this news. One fan of Amanda said they're exploiting her. She clearly doesn't need to be pushed into public entertaining. I only say that because she has been beat up enough in the industry and press terribly already. This should just be for fun for her and not made into a record deal and press release. So they feel like she's being taken advantage of or she has signed some sort of exploitative deal with this record label. It's almost like because it's a record label nobody's ever heard of, it does feel exploitative. It's like... Yeah, I hadn't heard of it before, but I mean, what was she going to do? Get a deal with, like, Warner Music Group? Like, she's not on that level anymore. That could have been the case back in the 2000s, but this is what she can do now, and she doesn't have enough money to fund it herself. and that is evidenced by the fact that she has an Amazon wish list public on her Instagram. I just wanted to show this. You have this pulled up. I didn't have it pulled up. Do you want me to – I don't know. Yeah, she put up a birthday wish list. No, I had it earlier. Did you send the link? I don't think I have the link pulled up right now. I'll just resend it to you. I sent this to Mary earlier and I was like, I'm going to buy her a gift card right now. In case any of you are interested in supporting Amanda Bynes right now. It's right here. She has all these links for Visa gift cards up on her wish list. If anybody here has ever thought about buying a MacBook Neo for a celebrity, you could do it right here. She also has Meta Glasses down here. She's got Gucci glasses. Yeah. Looks like she's trying to build out a podcast studio. Yeah, there are supplies for a studio. and... Oh yeah, she's... No, she definitely is. She's got like... She's got a request here for like a podcast... For like all podcast equipment. So this is what we're going to use to predict her next move, I guess. Lots of designer perfumes and... She wants one of those red light masks. Sweatpants and like coordinated sweats together. Like color coordinated sweatpants. And if anybody wanted to know which one she wanted the most, the top ones here all are labeled most wanted so the visa gift cards are there the macbook is there she is looking for everybody's help ladies and gentlemen and i bet there are actually people buying her stuff from this list think so right or am i wrong i don't know how this works like whether it shows you which things have already been purchased but yeah i mean clearly she's not doing so hot financially if she can't buy these things for herself and can't afford to get this produced independently without a record label supporting her. We missed a couple of 20s here. I do want to get them. The first one is from Shane H. Wilder. He says, iTunes on a PC can still add music. As for the brunch, I'll get Seamus to send you an invite. Last time, Keith Nestor and Matt Frad four-hammered, I don't know what that means, were hammered, maybe, and sang all the verses to Joy to the World, the hymn and the Three Dog Nights song. Where is this taking place? I have no idea. I have no idea about this. Thank you. Thank you, guys. You know what we can do? We can make the Amanda Bynes song the price of these. Yes. I would love that. I mean, this is already the kind of music that I just listen to in my free time. Like, I've joked about it before, but, like, I am not into sad music. I want pots and pans, banging together, auto-tune, synths, and screaming. That's what I want out of my music. Another 20 from Phil that remains. Definitely for me. Phil says, I've never seen Brett in a button down. Also, hi, Mary. Phil says hi. Hi. Did you see that the writer of the article from Collider's last name was Labonte? Oh yeah I wonder if they're distant relatives It's not that common of a last name Phil do you have any woke family members That write for Collider? The world wants to know I also just want to say There is something so comforting About Amanda Bynes That I might be the only person With this opinion You were trying to explain it to me earlier And it didn't really make a ton of sense So go for it It's something about the way she conducts herself in her daily life and social media, she just doesn't care. Like, she just posts random stuff, like, the way that Instagram used to be, where people didn't care about curating a timeline or an aesthetic. She obviously looks like a mess all the time. She knows that paparazzi are taking pictures of her every time she leaves the house just to, like, buy a coffee, which is kind of insane if you think about it. Like, she's not a public figure anymore. except for the fact that they do write-ups on her, you know, going out to, like, get her nails done in Daily Mail. And she doesn't care about, like, I don't know, looking presentable or having a, I guess, like a PR moderated statement to give to anyone on her page. There is something maddening about the idea that, follow me here, you can be famous enough that you have to worry about how you look because paparazzi will take your photo even when you at your worst but not have enough clout to make a living off of it anymore That is kind of sad isn it It's kind of like a prison. Yeah. It's not even a prison of your own making, but it's like you're stuck in this weird societal limbo where you have all of the bad sides of fame and none of the good ones. Yeah, but I do think it's a sign that maybe she's grown as a person because previously she was, I mean, she spoke openly about this in the 2010s about how distressed she felt about paparazzi photos. And it got her to the point where she, I think, like, hold herself up in a hotel room for weeks and ended up either papering over or painting over the windows with, like, black paint because she felt that distressed by being seen all the time and having people take photos of her in bad angles and being judged for her looks. And now, I mean, she doesn't look her best, certainly. That's objectively true. But she doesn't seem to care anymore as much about how people comment on her appearance. We have a 20 from Weary Traveler. Says, we all need to be Amanda Bynes maxing. Kind of. Like, not in all of the ways. But, like, in the way that, like, she just has this, like, calm demeanor nowadays that she didn't have before. She was obviously always in performance mode. as a kid and very animated and now when she posts stuff like talking she's always in like kind of a monotone voice but not in a way that makes her seem dead inside it's just that she's like chilled out as a person i mean she's 40 now so this is her cementing herself as a person yeah you calm down once you reach a certain age you're like i don't got yeah like i don't got it in me for this anymore She always seems to be just, like, chilling with her friends. She doesn't have huge career ambitions. She's tried her hand at, like, so many different things and can't seem to hold down a job. She's gone to cosmetology school. She's tried to be a nail tech. Does she get into trouble still, or is it just kind of, like, more just judgments on how she looks? The last time that we heard like cruelly troubling information about her was I think when she was like out on the streets without clothes a couple of years back, maybe a few years back. And they found her where she was like unaware of her surroundings or like she didn't know how she ended up on the streets somehow. Well, it was like Lil Nas X. Like, I guess he got off trouble because he's, like, staying in rehab or, like, he's continuing to get help for whatever his problems were so he didn't get in trouble for that incident where he was, like, naked with the, what was it, with, like, the cone. He was, like, walking around in his tighty-whities at 4 a.m. on, like, Sunset Boulevard alone, screaming into the distance. I will say for Amanda Bynes that it's not the greatest thing in the world to not necessarily be taking good care of yourself. But there is something to be said about you hit an age and maybe you're not doing well, but you're not acting a fool. Like Ric Flair is like 80 years old and he's still getting pissed drunk and making videos and stuff. and he's kind of a mess at 80 years old. And you're like, there's no, it doesn't seem like there's a good end for a person who never leaves that phase of their life. Yeah, and I mean, we don't really know the details of what's going on in her life. And certainly on the surface, it doesn't look like she's doing that well. But I don't know, there's something about her demeanor these days that seems more relaxed and stable. and maybe this is just like one of my hot takes. I just think there's a certain like class and elegance that she embodies now by just doing what she wants to do and not caring about being famous. That's a very loose definition of class, but yeah, I get. I mean, I don't know how else to articulate it. That's just my best attempt for now. Like I look at her Instagram and her bio just says trap star. Yeah. And, like, I'm like, okay, like, go off. Like, you don't care about being a character anymore. All right. Like, that's cool to me in a certain sense. All right. Let's move on. What would you like to see, cringe or cute of the day? Let's see the cute first. Okay. Here we go. This one is from Broody Gambit. Broody Gambit's probably over there on Rumble right now, if you're watching, my friend. And it says, aw. Oh, they're very cute. Well, the second one is like a Lego cat. That's a replica. Yeah. I see now. I just thought it was a very, like, poised cat. It says, here is Timber investigating his Lego doppelganger, aptly posing in front of some Thundercats comic art. Yesterday's post reminded me of this gem. It looks a little bit aw shucks right there. Like, mm-hmm. It looks like he has a bow tie a little bit. A little bit. All right. Oh, by the way, I did see, speaking of Rumble, I did see a 20 over there on Rumble from Jolly. It says, interesting, my Zune still works. So Zune got the last laugh after all. Wow. Amazing. I do wish I could use my iPod for music, but unfortunately Apple doesn't want you to use their old products. They want to keep you enslaved to the next big thing. My brother. I'm going to keep my, this is an iPhone 13 mini, and I got the mini version because it's literally the smallest one you can get. I am going to hold on to this for as long as I possibly can. Oh, yeah. I still have my same AirPods that I got in 2019, and those still work. They're trying to sell the new AirPods that, in the fine print, you can see record video in your, like, everything that's surrounding you. and you have to consent to that. Like, I don't want that. I don't want to be any part of that. I don't want to agree to those terms and conditions. I have a Galaxy S20. I've had my phone for ages. Like, I don't want to get a new one because it's – first of all, it's the last model that they made that had expandable storage, and I don't want to have to go all cloud for everything. So I just – when I thought this phone broke last year – last year, like last month, I went and bought an S20 Ultra for like 200 bucks because it's still so, it's like six years old. And then the charger on this started working again. It was like out for like a day. And I'm just too lazy to set the other one up. And I don't want to get a newer phone because I don't want to go to cloud storage entirely. So yeah. All right. Let us go and do the cringe of the day, ladies and gentlemen. All right. Here we go. if i came back there and i took if i came back there and if i came back there and i don't know either that'd be weird that'd be a weird thing to do it would be what am i watching if i came back if i came i'm so confused what the hell is going on it was his his pov and then the selfie at the end. I don't know. It just, it was funny. What the hell? I'm way past knowing what's going on in the world. All right, let's move on. We've got a bunch of stuff to get into. Let's talk about Euphoria. So the big premiere of Euphoria's third season took place last night, and all of the photos and interviews are coming out on social media right now. The big question on everyone's minds was, is Sydney Sweeney going to be the outcast among all of the actors. And she did take a group photo with some of them, although Zendaya was conspicuously missing from this group picture because there were rumors that Zendaya essentially refused to be in the same room with Sydney Sweeney, let alone in a picture together. This is showing Hunter Schaefer, Alexa Demi, Sydney Sweeney, and Maude Apatow together at the premiere event. And one comment said that Alexa Demi has gotten buckle fat removal. You think that's true? I just want to say this woman is like, I think in her late 30s, I think she might have been the oldest person that they cast in the show to play a teenager. So this could just be the natural effects of getting older. although her chest bones are visible, so possibly Ozempic-related. I don't think she went under the knife. But, yeah, I am now lending more credence to the claims that Zendaya actually has a personal gripe with Cindy Sweeney. I mean, it feels like if there wasn't... If you're at the premiere together, why would you not take a picture with everybody in the show now that it's over, essentially? It's one thing to be like, if it was truly all good, they would have gotten a photo together, just the two of them. But if not even a group photo, and to be fair, like maybe that photo exists and we just can't see it. The funniest thing that I can think of right now is like, you know how they always do like the Q&A on the stage in front of the screen before they show the thing? They go up there and they're literally at opposite ends of a 15 person line. I would think if there were a photo with Sydney Sweeney and Zendaya in it last night, it would have come out by now. So I'm assuming that photo does not exist for the time being. I could be proven wrong. But it seems like there was some tension among the cast, and some of them are still friendly with Sydney Sweeney, and others are choosing not to be pictured with her. This tweet also made me laugh. There were gender swaps of the cast going around with AI, and they gender swapped Hunter Schaefer, who, by the way, if you didn't know, is transgender, male to female transgender. And they gender swapped this photo of Hunter Schaefer to be a man. Do you have that? Is it after this one? Hold on. Yeah. they showed what under shaper would have looked like pre-transition and we're just like this is why we don't have like male stars in hollywood anymore yeah this is just this what we could have had um and sydney sweeney also appeared on the red carpet solo and prompted this comment They say this dress is what happens when high fashion houses don't want your styling team to pull from their collections anymore because you're a brand liability. They're talking about Sydney Sweeney. So without any evidence, this person is claiming that Sydney Sweeney is getting boycotted by fashion brands, even though she has active contracts with Miu Miu, Armani, and Jimmy Choo currently. and they say, oh, well, she hasn't publicly appeared in those brands since December 2025, and they're just coming up with this fan fiction about how she's getting blacklisted. I don't think it's true. She did show up with Scooter Braun, by the way, at the premiere, and they took a video of her kissing him in the audience. She looks visibly disgusted. Like she's just barely tolerating this man for her career. She's like, billionaire, billionaire, billionaire. Say it with me. Billionaire. And wasn't there a rumor that she hooked up with, it wasn't Bezos, it was some other executive in order to get a role, but I'm forgetting now. That wasn't Bezos? It might have been a rumor about Bezos now that I think about it. But she's friends with both him and Lauren Sanchez and is, according to some, a friend harder to be the next Bond girl because of that. Now, this comment about Zendaya came up because she left the premiere event directly after taking photos. Like, she didn't stick around for schmoozing. And they said, this is an event with her ex, a racist who said that white genes are superior. Again, she never, literally never said that. I am so sick of this shit. She never said anything of the sort, you freaking weirdos. And, by the way, they say her ex, because Zendaya used to be in a brief relationship with Jacob Elordi in order to make Tom Holland jealous, for a show that should have ended two years ago, also written by a sex addict. Can't dispute that last part. And the other part of the cast that are her friends, half of them left slash died. And they're referring to Angus Cloud, I believe. I would have been done with that show too, TBH. So they're basically crafting this narrative that Zendaya only went because it was a career and social obligation and she has zero interest in networking or working with these people ever again. And on top of that, like every premiere event these days, they invited influencers because they're trying to be relevant. and one of them was Trisha Paytas. Now, she actually has, I believe, a cameo role of some sort in the new season, and I don't know who she's playing, but someone said, the racist rats like Trisha Paytas getting rewarded for their bad behavior. I really don't want to see her on HBO. That feels so classless to me. Yet at the same time, You also have, like, Chloe Cherry, an actual porn star at the event. Like, it's not exactly like Euphoria is the height of class to begin with. Wait, isn't Trisha Paytas running for office? She is allegedly still working on her campaign for mayor of L.A. I don't know what's going to become of that. So it's like her and Spencer Pratt are up for the job? Yeah, or maybe it was something else. I think hers was something else. For Congress? But that's, like, way higher level. I think she was actually talking about running for mayor, but I could be misremembering. Let's play this Trisha Paytas interview with our favorite. Oh, we love this guy. Here we go. Who is your favorite character on this? I am. I'm kind of a Cassie girl, especially this season. You know, she goes down the influencer route, and we love to see that. It's very relevant, very current. So, yeah, that's all I can say. I don't know where she goes this season. I think she might go a little off the wall from my theme personally, but, like, I think what I liked of her in the past was good. I don't know where she goes this season, so don't worry about it. You know what it is? That guy is like an evil Jerry Burns, the actor Jerry Burns. He's like an evil version of him. I love it. Is he evil or is he just, like, chaotic neutral? No, he's kind of evil. No, you're right. He's chaotic neutral. He asks a question hoping they don't have an answer. Right. How do you think of that? That's your favorite character. And then he's hoping that they didn't see it, and they try to trap them into a lie so that he can press them. They were also getting pressed for answers about a possible season four of Euphoria, which is most certainly not going to happen. This is the farewell to a long, drawn-out production pause, and it's finally time to end it because they're playing adults in the new season, which was one of the reasons why critics found it so boring. Anyway, I just wanted to cap this off by recalling the infamous Drugtopia trailer by Ian Crossland, rather starring Ian Crossland and Alex Stein. Here we go. What really trying to do here is something original, something people have never seen before. you're gonna keep sleeping with my father you're not gonna keep doing drugs the last time a show was made about teens having sex and doing drugs like a couple weeks ago it didn't quite have this amount of sex and drugs in it so we are really breaking new ground here so my parents are throwing an orgy for my 14th birthday party you want to come over and do it with cool kids um yeah i'll think about it but my parents want me to go to rehab again I have not seen a show like this in the last two months. Kenton Portnose. This has never been done before. And here's the crazy part. It actually has been done before. We purchase old Seth Rogen scripts that Judd Apatow doesn't even want. We add more sex and more drugs. And then add like a depth of field bokeh to it. And then on top of that, more sex and drugs. Then, get this, we do the drugs in slow motion. so it makes it feel like when you're watching it, you're on drugs too. Okay. So I'm still waiting for them to release Drugtopia. We need season one. I'm much more interested in Drugtopia. There was already a movie called Jewtopia. If Jewtopia exists, there's no reason Drugtopia shouldn't exist. If Jewtopia can get off the ground, why can't we make Drugtopia happen? Well, I mean, Jewtopia was made in, like, 2012, and the reins were less tight in 2012. You had more to work with, so. And why does it feel like there is actually a universe in which Sam Levinson calls upon Ian Crossland to have a cameo role in the season? I'm here for it. I'm here for it. He needs to hire him. Like, if Trisha Paytas can do it, why can't Ian? Exactly. I think that would be iconic. All right. Let's move on. Okay, we're moving on to a little bit more of a dark subject. So you guys might recall that in January 2025, Jeff Baina, Aubrey Plaza's ex-husband, ended his own life at the age of 47. They met in the industry because he was a writer and a director. And the context is very important here. They had already been split up for, I believe, four months by the time that this news came out that he ended his life. They were no longer together, but people at the time twisted the story around to kind of villainize her in a way, which was really insensitive and lacking context. Obviously, we don't know this man's reasons or what was going on in their private lives or the reasons behind their split. But people really took this story and ran with it at the time to make her look bad or make it look like he ended his life because of them getting a divorce. And I am sure, like, I am 100% certain that it was more complicated than that because, of course, it is. Because life is more complicated than that. Live, yeah. It's not a movie. But later on, it came out that she was in a new relationship post-split with her partner Chris Abbott. And I believe they're not married. They're not. But the news just broke in people that Aubrey Plaza is now expecting a child with Chris Abbott. and this renewed a whole other round of discourse, not just about Aubrey Plaza, but about gender dynamics in general from a red pill perspective. Well, like, so, like, half the comments were like, just remember, guys, like, the second you die, she's going to move on and be over you. So, which is just, it's intentionally doomerous blackpilling to be like, don't seek family, don't seek love, don't seek anything because it will inevitably let you down because of this example of Aubrey Plaza, which, of course, like you said, weaponizing the fact that, you know, they don't really know the timeline. You don't really know the timeline. It's obviously more complicated than that. Oh, even the few things that you do know seem to dispel it because they had already split up like long before any of this happened. So it's just it's done to demoralize you. And so that they can sell you some red pill handbook on how to pick up women and buy Bitcoin. Right, exactly. So people published the announcement saying that it was a beautiful surprise after an emotional year and they feel very blessed. And a rep for Aubrey Plaza confirmed the news. and it doesn't say exactly how they met, but they collaborated, her and Chris Abbott, on an off-Broadway revival of Danny and the Deep Blue Sea and the 2020 film Black Bear. So I'm guessing that they knew each other before she had split up from her ex-husband. And we also still don't know the timeline. I think it's really irrelevant for the actual discussion at hand. But all of these like sort of right wing adjacent red pillar accounts jumped on this. One of those one of those posts said she didn't even wait six months before getting a new partner and getting pregnant. This is what modern relationships are like. Before women used to wait a lifetime for their husbands. She should have at least waited a few years. Okay, so again, I hate to make the comparison, but this is the, you know, like telling somebody how to grieve schtick that people were doing about Erica Kirk. Right, exactly. And it's also completely unrealistic if having children was a goal for her. She's 41 currently, and if she had waited a few years like they wanted, she might not even be able to have children at all. So I'm sure it was a pressing matter for her. And another response said, don't die for a woman. She'll show up at your funeral with her new lover. Like, what the hell is this fan fiction that they're writing about this relationship? They have no idea about. And also, this guy didn't die for his ex-wife. Like, what does that even mean? It's not his ex-wife. They were still married. That's the thing. So people are weaponizing the fact that they had not gone through with the divorce yet, even though they had been split up but not divorced, which obviously means that they were in different stages of moving on. Sure, but they're also blaming her for a suicide, which I think is... They did the same thing with Thomas Massey when he moved on after his wife died, right? They said, you didn't wait long enough. It's a bit suspect. I saw people online saying that. People came to the conclusion that he was having an affair as well. Because he had known the lady for a specific time. And I saw people online who went as far, engagement baiting, saying, like, I wonder if he did something to her. Like, people are freaking nuts, and all they want is clicks online. Right. They're basically framing this as some sort of, like, indirect, like, murder. Another response said, women move on in just a day, even if the relationship lasted years, while men grieve for a long time. So basically women are evil and men are universally virtuous and the real romantic sex. And another response said women have zero loyalty in the cold world of intersexual dynamics. They are only loyal to their own emotions. Now, the community note did clarify Aubrey Plaza separated from her husband, Jeff Baina, in September of 2024, four months before his death in January of 2025. And then they say she's expecting her first child with Chris Abbott about 15 months after Jeff Baina's death. but that's not really relevant to these people because the facts of the story don't need to serve their narrative. They're just going to force it anyway. I see all these people trying to clarify the facts in the comments, but none of that is going to matter to people who are so set in that mindset, where men and women are natural enemies, and they're going to spread that narrative regardless of the story. And one comment said, is she supposed to be sad for her entire life? Good for her for moving on. And this person said, I'd expect that she should be sad for a period, at least a little longer than necessary to get with someone else and decide to have a baby with them. So here's the thing. That is a weird form of like, I understand the sentiment. I understand the sentiment because if they are, depending on their personality type, they may be looking at this and they're like, look, she didn't even seem that upset. But some people grieve in private. Some people don't. We don't know the complex nature of their relationship or what it was. But this is because people are expecting for these celebrities to live out their most private moments publicly and that she should be showing the proper, you know, whatever that individual person online deems to be the proper amount of grief. for a relationship that had since failed and her husband that had died. Would it have been different? I mean, this was kind of going around with, what was his name? The dude from, who just passed, not that long ago, who was in Euphoria, season three. I forget his name. I've already forgotten. But him and his wife had split up, remember, but they were still married, but they stayed married because he was sick. Right. It was, was it Eric Dane? Eric Dane. Thank you. I was like, it can't be Eric, can it? It was. It was Eric Dane. And then people had their opinions on that, on whether she moved on, you know, should she have moved on? Like, why didn't she divorce him? Did she just stay with him for the money that he made because he was going to be dying, even though she was also worth a ton of money as well? This is a side effect of being a celebrity who lives your life in the public spotlight. The very, very complicated nature of interpersonal dynamics don't lend themselves to the Internet because nobody's going to get all the information. And what they don't understand is that the roles can be reversed very easily to make the opposite argument from a feminist perspective. because there are these statistics that prove when women are diagnosed with terminal illnesses, rates of men initiating divorces, like, skyrocket. And that would be, you know, something that if you made a rash generalization, it would tell, like, women never to get married because he's not going to stay with you if you end up in a vulnerable position or if you are facing a medical crisis. The male version of that is like when a man loses a good job, divorce rates spike. But ultimately, it's like, are you going to take a risk for something that's worth doing or not? Because if you don't, like, that does make you a coward, you know? Yeah. Like there is a level of vulnerability that you must undertake to have a worthwhile, lasting relationship. There's no getting around that. So the people who don't want that, who decide not to take that risk, are also not going to enjoy the benefits. And I think you should stop arguing with them about it. Like this is something that I think came up on the podcast that I recorded with Libby last month. We were talking about, like, people who don't want to get married, and I was like, well, I mean, are we going to debate them out of that? It's not really worth our time, is it? You can't debate them out of that. Most people, especially once you get to a specific age, you end up being so entrenched in your positions that it's very hard. Like, the only person who's going to change their mind on that is somebody worth marrying to them. yeah and if if you're that dedicated to being selfish like you shouldn't get married maybe that's i don't know i feel like a lot of people who are like pro-marriage pro-family sort of conservative they want to like convince these people to switch sides or something but it's like no like they've they've made their bed and and if that's the value proposition that they are going to live by, you know, don't argue with them about it. Just let them do what they're going to do. And then ultimately, as we've seen so far with, you know, marriage and divorce statistics and Gen Z, they going to put a lot more thought into the commitment that they making Divorces are dropping because people are getting married later Later and less often in general And as a result, like, those are going to be longer-lasting, stronger marriages. So there is a silver lining in it. I do think back to, like, the millennial trend of, like, the divorce party. And you're like, no wonder things were the way they were. They trivialized some of the most horrible things that a family can go through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. We've got more stuff to talk about. Speaking of divorce, it's just going to get funnier today, ladies and gentlemen. Well, we're not talking about literal divorce. We are actually talking about breakups that happen as a result of mishaps on hiking dates. And it's called alpine divorce. This is actually a term adapted from a 19th century short story by Robert Barr. And that is entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand that started trending on TikTok last month. Women are talking about being abandoned by their situationships and boyfriends on hiking trails. And this is leading to the end of many relationships. It's a clarifying moment for people who are in the stages of dating or in committed relationships, whether they're with the right person, if this would happen. So The Guardian published a think piece on this topic. Women are being abandoned by their partners on hiking trails. What is behind alpine divorce? As stories of men leaving their dates in sketchy situations go viral, experts say these incidents could stem from big egos and poor communication. And to be fair to the way they framed this article, they said a lot of these men probably don't even have ill intent when they leave their girlfriends behind on hiking trails, but they don't realize the gravity of the situation, quite literally. MJ is one example they bring up. She calls what happened to her in Zion National Park, small T trauma. She knows women have experienced worse from their partners, but still feels the anger of being left behind on a hike by her now ex. She says five years ago, her and a new partner, who was not exactly her boyfriend and they were not exclusive, traveled from L.A. to Utah for an adventure getaway. She was looking forward to exploring Zion's striking scenery, but on the morning of their big hike, she was not feeling well. she couldn't shake the feeling that something was off. Indeed, she would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women. I thought it said that they were not exclusive. Exactly. What the hell is going on here? Stupid dynamic where people don't want to be exclusive, but they also don't want to make it exclusive, so they're in limbo. No, they want it to be not exclusive for them, but they want the other person to have to be exclusive because they're narcissists. Right, that's true. As they made their way up Angel's Landing, MJ's partner started walking faster than her. I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow, and I was like, F it, just go ahead of me. He did without hesitation. Oh, he'd been waiting. It's sort of like, you know, there's a difference between a woman saying no and saying no. So this was a failure of communication on both ends. When she caught up at the top of the mountain, they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the mountain with a woman he met on the way up, leaving her to finish the hike by herself. They broke up shortly after that trip. Probably the best for both of them. And last month, MJ found the phrase Alpine Divorce trending on TikTok, a label that she now attaches to her experience. experience. On social media, women describe Alpine divorce as going on a hike, climb, or other outdoor adventure with a male partner only to be abandoned or left behind. Perhaps he went too fast and neglected to wait, or a fight on the trail resulted in him storming off. Look, I've been told there are no biological differences between men and women. There's no reason these women shouldn't be able to walk at exactly the same pace as the men. I have been told for years that we are exactly the same. The cope that they slip into this article later on is saying exactly that. That, like, well, it's not because women are incompetent at physical activities that this is happening. It's because of a lot of different complex psychological dynamics. Oh, it's society that caused this. Like, men have objectively better spatial awareness. They are stronger and faster, and they are more competent when it comes to outdoor activities like this. Okay, but you know what he does? Of course, there are, like, pro-female hikers that are better than a couch potato who happens to be a man. All he has to say is, like, babe, don't worry about it. When we get home, I'll ask you to find something in the refrigerator. We'll be equal. We all have our strongs. Exactly. And I wanted to show this TikTok that was the most viral of them all. POV, you go on a hike with him in the mountains, but he leaves you alone by yourself and you realize he never liked you to begin with. And this now has 4.8 million likes. The comments are filled with other women sharing the same stories of this happening to them. Here we go. And she's sobbing. Okay, why is it that women love to, like, outwardly share their trauma as it's happening? Like, I think if you're in this situation, the last thing you should prioritize is recording a video crying. Yeah. You should probably focus on, like, getting the heck out of there. Alive, yeah. I can't blame her for being terrified, though. A lot of these comments said that the same thing happened to them, though. One said, I had a boyfriend leave me on a hike in the Grand Canyon. A very nice man from Norway helped carry my backpack and walked with me. It took me 12 hours to walk out. Another one said, this happened to me many years ago. I met two girls on the mountain and told them what happened, and we walked down together. They wouldn't let me go alone. I'll never forget them. and there are a lot of people saying that this is a common experience. I mean, this is a good sign that hiking dates, especially when you don't know someone that well, are a bad idea. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You'll get coffee. It feels like an episode of Criminal Minds. Yeah, it reminds me of that. What was that? Gabby Petito. yeah yeah it reminds me of that even though they they were in a relationship and they like she did know him but like ugh like yikes it's just not a good idea okay it's just crazy this dude in the first story was like they were very clearly already fight like not in a good place he was already annoyed and the second she said he was just waiting her for her to be like go ahead go on about me yeah perfect like if they were in a good place he'd be like no it's fine he knew exactly that that's not what she meant. Right. And another one said, throwback to when my... Wait, let me open this. This was throwback to when my guy friend slash potential boyfriend abandoned me on a mountain at sunset on a trail with no markers because he was mad that we didn't hook up. Like, that's just not... I don't know. How are there no red flags? I never understand how these women get into situations like this. Like, was there not any indication beforehand that this dude is going to act rashly to not getting what he wants? One response said, and they get mad when we choose the bear. Like, just choose a guy who's not going to endanger your life. Yep. How do you not have any signs that he lacks empathy before this very moment? Another one said, my boyfriend did this to me, found another hiker to show me how to get back, and then I went home and blocked his number. Again, that should have happened a long time before you almost died. Many of the women described having some level of dependence on their partner in nature. That can't be real. That can't be real. Again, like I said, women are just as good as men at everything. There are no biological differences. Everything that's different between men and women is clearly a reaction to socialization, right? Once they were out in nature and all of that was gone, they should have reverted back to their lizard brain and been just like men. Right. You're telling me that they were relying on men for directions? That can't be right. That can't be right. Relying on men to carry heavy things? I don't buy it. That's crazy. They may not have been carrying the right supplies or enough water or weren't familiar with the terrain, making them feel vulnerable. It's such a common thing, according to the editor-in-chief of Climbing Magazine, who now works as a photographer. She's heard so many stories about men fumbling outdoor dates. There's the male ego element to it that's not necessarily evil or ill-intentioned, but usually has a negative effect on the partner who is being left behind. They mention a high-profile true crime case just from February of this year. An amateur mountaineer was found guilty of gross negligence manslaughter for leaving his exhausted girlfriend behind on his country's highest peak while he went in search of help. The man, a chef identified as Thomas, said he was endlessly sorry for her death and his lawyer called it a tragic accident, but Thomas could not explain why he failed to wrap his freezing girlfriend in her emergency blanket before heading down the mountain without her. Earlier in their trek, he had also told a police officer over the phone that they didn't need any help, even though a rescue helicopter was made available to them. This is sort of like on a smaller scale when you're in the car on a road trip and you need directions. And the wife is always like, can we just stop and ask somebody at that gas station? And the husband is like, no, I can figure it out myself. And a former girlfriend, this is the most suspicious part, testified that Thomas had also left her behind on a trail during a hike in 2023. And that was the last expedition that they ever took together. So he had a pattern of behavior in this regard. Outdoor culture romanticizes pushing your limits and flexing endurance. Folk heroes have been made out of rugged men. And there is this emphasis on strength, independence, and stoicism embedded in the way that males are taught to prioritize their character traits. Masculinity seems to play a role in how alpine divorce manifests in your life. That's crazy because that's completely ignoring the fact that another aspect of masculinity is to protect women, which means that these guys are not masculine. They just have certain aspects of them that are coming to the forefront because they're putting themselves into physically dangerous situations. That's not masculinity. Masculinity would be giving her the emergency blanket and then making sure you did everything in your power to help while going for help so that something bad doesn't happen. Right, exactly. And they're also, because they're the experts, not willing to admit that a lot of these masculine traits are not embedded into you by media that you consume or, you know, societal norms. It's actually ingrained in you biologically. and then they go on to say a man walking ahead of his girlfriend because he can't be bothered to wait for her is bad manners but failing to properly care for someone in an environment they're not prepared to handle alone can cause real harm i can't see how leaving someone in an unsafe position wouldn't qualify as an abusive dynamic especially if the man is aware to some degree that that is what they're doing and that's kind of the big question mark is like do they know that they're indirectly endangering someone's life, or are they just so focused on themselves and their own goals that it's just not crossing their mind? And they say, like, one way to avoid this is to discuss your hiking goals before you go outdoors together. Is the man the one who wants to get to the peak, and the woman is just the one who wants to see the scenery and get exercise? and you need to come to some sort of compromise so that this doesn't happen. But, like, an easy way to, you know, prevent this is, like, not dating sociopaths, right? I don't know. It seems pretty simple to me. So, J.H. in the chat says, Brett, that's Cope, people fight all the time. We don't know what was said. Well, I mean, I still think that even if they were fighting, his job should be to make sure that she gets down there safely, even if they're fighting, especially if they were in her. I don't know if these were the people that were in a relationship or a situation ship or whatever it was, but the safety of that person should transcend the argument that you're getting in. He then also gives the example. He says that he says, I've had a woman yell at me drunk because I would not let her drive and I offered to call her an Uber and left her. look in this case if they were in a relationship again we're just speculating here I'm talking about the broad strokes of what it means to be a good person and how that intersects with your masculinity as a dude which is to do everything in your power to make sure that that person gets down the mountain safely it doesn't matter really if you got into an argument or not right like at a certain point in my personal opinion the context for you know how they gotten to an argument or something on the way, it becomes irrelevant once someone's life is at stake. And another sort of similar example to this on like a less serious, in a less serious situation is like, I see a lot of TikToks of women recording their husbands doing this in the airport. Have you seen that before as well? No, no. Like, women go to the airport with their husband, and either he, like, walks all the way ahead of her to the gate, like, well before she can make it, while she's carrying a bunch of their stuff. Is he carrying stuff too? They show, like, here's what I'm carrying, and here's what he's carrying, and he's, like, not carrying as much as her, so he can go faster. I mean, that sounds like. And then he, like, goes way ahead of her in the airport to the gate. And, like, okay, if your husband or your boyfriend or whoever you're dating does something like that in a situation where your life isn't in danger, maybe you could say, like, this is a personality flaw that would also display itself in more serious situations. Well, my one critique there is they shouldn't be making videos about it. It's just going to make the husband hate her more. Yeah, obviously. And sometimes you have to listen. If they're like you're walking too fast, you've got to slow down a little bit. TikTokers talking about Alpine divorce might not know that the phrase comes from a short story by Robert Barr about an unhappy married couple who spends a weekend away in the Alps. The husband had planned to push his wife off the summit during a hike, but in a twist, the wife tells him she framed him for murder before jumping off the ledge herself right before the police called show up. Wait, what happened? Is this a real thing? No, it's just the story that this term originates from. Okay, so there actually is an episode of Hawaii Five-0 where a guy goes up on a hike with his wife and pushes her off a cliff. Eee. Well, it sounds like it's inspired by the story. That said, many Alpine divorces don't happen because a man has ill intentions. Maybe, like the Austrian hiker claimed, he thought he was doing the right thing. Maybe he was impatient or had an uncritical view of the macho man archetype that he wanted to embody. Or maybe he had a radically different goal for the hike than his partner and failed to touch base. They're then saying if you invite someone on a hike, you're acting as their de facto guide. Would a guide just storm off on their clients? Of course not. They move at the pace of the slowest member. And this same guy says he remembers a hike that he took with his wife, and it wasn't that great of a trail. It became a trudge, but he forged on and figured that since the hike was so bad, they might as well get to the viewpoint to make it worthwhile. His wife wasn't loving it. He said, I did come to a realization that our expectations were totally different for the day. my goal was to go on a mission and she just wanted to spend the day outside with fresh air and wouldn't have cared if we turned around. I was guilty of dragging her on a mission that I had not communicated about. So I don't think all of these men are like sociopathic murderers. But at the same time, this is such an avoidable situation for both parties. Another response said, just found out Alpine divorce is a thing and women are recalling being abandoned on hikes in remote areas, some of you need to start toting guns and using them. I don't know. And unless she's implying that they should kill their boyfriends and husbands on hikes, then I endorse this message. She should definitely go on a hike with some sort of weapon on you. The idea here, like they were talking about the guy going down for help. If she's injured, yes, he has to go down and go for help himself. He can't take her with him, right? That's absolutely the right thing to do. Otherwise, it's the idea that he should just slow down and go at the pace that she is going, and that runs into problems if you overestimate your abilities, say, and it's getting dark, and suddenly you don't have the light to get back to where you need to. What do you do then? It's just poor planning all around from everyone and poor communication. Right, but I mean, I'm marked safe from this ever happening to me because I simply will never go on a hike and I'm not going to go outdoors. If I want to take a walk, I'm going to be in a residential area or I'm going to be on a treadmill inside. And I can't imagine why you would end up in a relationship with somebody who would possibly do this anyway. On a similar note, though, about people reverting back to their primal instincts, I do want to bring up this newer TikTok trend. Allegedly, this is being called Savine Therapy. The newest technique for increasing marriage satisfaction and dramatically raising fertility rates. What's happening is women are enlisting their husbands in this TikTok trend to forcibly pretend arrest them in their living room. So there's another trend going around similar to this where it's like my cop husband has to catch me after giving me a 20-second head start. And then it's like, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I think I've seen similar things. And this is some of the examples are showing like men who are already cops, but also guys who aren't cops. But this is this is crazy stuff happening on TikTok right now. Like some of them are also resisting to the point where it feels a little bit like they're setting these dudes up to like look bad if something bad happens. That is crazy work. Yeah. Yeah, um, I mean... He's wearing his sidearm. That is crazy. This is a lot. Yeah. Apparently, this is fixing their marriages, though. No, it's worse because they're doing it for clout by recording it, which is even worse. That means that this poor dude who's just like a local cop is being dragged into making his wife's TikToks. Someone said the physiological reaction that women have to this is the reason they should not be in positions of critical influence in society. Yep. Couldn't agree more. Okay. All right. Let's wrap it up, though, and read some of these super chats. Burnt Oil said, Mary, that was a terrible purchase for that iPod, LOL. Well, not if you consider the camera quality, okay? I am at least able to use the camera to get grainy potato cam photos. That's exactly why I bought it. You got to get a case for it. I'm taking a photo of you right now. There you go. Perfect. That's what I missed the most about the old Apple products, actually, before they started improving the camera. Shane H. Wilder said, oh, did we not get to this one before? I got to it. I caught it and went back to it. Oh, okay. Corey Anderson said, Wonder Woman is lame. She can bury her lasso of truth up her... Tookus? Tookus. Yeah. I have never heard that term before. Yep. Okay. Robert Dallara said, The purpose of making a film is that people like it. It makes money and hopefully a profit. Hollywood is a business. These DEI proponents can't understand these points. That is true. I mean, that shouldn't be the only purpose of making a film. No. It should be good. If we're talking about at the studio level with the amount of money it goes, they don't have the goodwill to spare to focus on also making good movies these days. They need to just start making money, and then we can worry about making the movies good later. It helps. It does help. Yeah. I'm being sarcastic. but theoretically, if the movies are good, they make money. Theoretically. I was just, like, thinking about the Moana 2 box office return the other day, and just, like, I just don't understand it. It pisses me off that Moana doesn't have a love interest. You cannot be a Disney princess if you don't have a love interest. That's bullshit. And I looked at, like, why doesn't she have a love interest? And they said, well, when we wrote this in 2016, like, we wanted to make it about an independent female lead who doesn't need no man. And that's freaking lame. That sucks. That shouldn't even count as a Disney princess movie in that case. I mean, that's the way it all is now. It was like, so when they did the show Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu, and they race and gender swapped Watson. The guy who made it, I think it was Robert Doherty, I think he was the showrunner, basically said they did it because they wanted to show that men and women can work together and be friends without it being a romantic relationship. Okay. And it's like, okay, but that's fine. And that was in 2012. But now we've gotten away from it so far where you have to be like, now you have to like sell them on the idea of putting the romantic relationship in there. Otherwise, they're worried that it somehow cheapens the story. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't think that a love interest has ever taken away from a female character's story or character arc. No, that's the worst of the feminist propaganda is to pretend like the act of falling in love is somehow what? Yeah, like a diminishment of yourself. Yeah, like the act of falling in love and choosing to need another person is diminishing to your, I guess, your agency as a person, which is obviously not true. Like, that's one thing that, like, I would call woke and even anti-woke people would be like, well, that's not woke. Like, but no, like, just because it's not, you know, pronouns and rainbow flags doesn't mean it's not woke. Like, that element that she has no love interest in either the first or second movie, I do think is, like, very covert woke, which is the most dangerous type. Now the way you subvert expectations is by giving them a love interest and having it actually work out. Yeah, and, like, the traditional, you know, Disney princess fairy tale storyline ends with a wedding. And I think that's a perfect way to end it. Shane H. Wilder said, I can't keep up the joke. Yes, we all know each other, but we don't do brunch since everyone is all over the country. There are online voice chats. Okay. You had me going there for a second, Shane. I was getting mad that I wasn't getting any invites. Not going to lie, give me some glow sticks and a strobe light, and I could get down to Amanda's new song. I kind of want to make it to crisis party. It's really good. I didn't know she had this hidden talent. I need somebody to send me, like, the MP3 version of it. Maybe I'll try and make a crisis party of it. I would be obsessed with that. Weary Traveler said, we all need to be Amanda Bynes maxing. Yes. Absolutely. Yep. Burned Oil said, I agree with Mary going hard at Haley because she needs it, but she needs to show sympathy for Amanda Bynes. We don't hate her. Thank you. Okay, the Hayley Williams point aside for a second. I don't not have sympathy for Amanda Bynes. I don't know what gave you that impression. I'm sure she's lived a hard life. But I'm just calling into question a lot of the baseless claims about abuse that she allegedly suffered, which she has literally said didn't happen. Weary Traveler said Amanda Bynes is authentically trashy, which is admirable. You know what? She kind of has diner goth vibes. A little bit. Am I calling it? She has the same waist size as the traditional diner goth. She said she was going on Ozempic for a second there, and she has slimmed down quite a bit. Who the hell was the celebrity that was like, I out-ate Ozempic? Oh, yeah. Was that Tracy? Morgan. It might have been Tracy Morgan. It's like, yeah, even though Zempick is no match for my appetite. That's respect, my friend. It's not a foolproof drug. You can beat the odds. Pop Culture Junkie said, Mary, the iPhone 13 mini will get full iOS software updates until 2026 or 2027 with security updates until 2028 and 2030? Through 2030. Thank goodness. Through 2030? Well, that does sound like it spells the end for my phone. I just, I wish that they would release a mini version of every new phone, you know? They haven't done it since then. I don't want a comically large phone. Katie said, the government in my country arrested Ben Roberts Smith, a respected war veteran, for war crimes. I was like getting, I just couldn't believe the amount of people on X, like I realized how much the war propaganda was going on when people were like saying that it was a bad thing that the U.S. blew up a bunch of its own equipment to save their own soldier when they got that guy out of Iran and then they torched their own equipment so that the technology can't fall into the wrong hands. And people were basically making the argument that one soldier wasn't worth the life of a bunch of planes and equipment. it was supposed to be it was supposed to like bolster this argument that the US was losing to Iran well I think that there was a theory at least that that soldier didn't exist I never saw that I just saw there's a theory that that was a cover story for an undercover mission to retrieve their reserves of of enriched uranium Either way even if that true that ends up just making America look even better But it doesn because that means that it was a failed mission I mean assuming that they didn get it right Yeah. That's an assumption either way. Right. They're just saying it's like a cover story that this guy never really existed and that wasn't the purpose of the mission. And then the real purpose of the mission was never reached. The point of what I was saying. I don't know the details. I'm just saying that might be what they're saying. Yeah. Robert DeLera said Zendaya will make some excuse saying she had to use the bathroom while the picture was taken. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, I mean, it's a possibility, but it seems like a pretty important time to get a picture of the cast of the show together. Like, it's a pretty self-explanatory thing. Shane H. Wilder said, Trisha Paytas on HBO is tasteless. I don't know. Have you seen what they put on HBO? I think someone being racist is the least of your worries. I still don't know why people think Trisha Paytas is a racist or any of the other things. Is there some type of statement she made that supposedly fits that bill? I don't know. She's been on the Internet for, like, 20 years. Stuff gets said that doesn't age well. Whatever. Corey Anderson said if you do get a terminal disease, you should get divorced so your spouse isn't shackled with the debt. That is a very common. That's a pretty wild take. That is a very common sentiment that is usually reposted on accounts that are anti-American, like big pharma and insurance, which is like it's always it's a different account posting it every time. But it's the same copy pasta. like my parents divorced after 35 years of marriage not because they don't love each other but because my mom has terminal cancer and or my dad has terminal cancer and he didn't want my mom saddled with the debt of his treatments and stuff like that it's always the same story and then reposted the different accounts that's odd because in order to legally divorce you do have to prove that you are actually living separately I mean, I don't know. Could you, like, get in trouble for, like, divorce fraud or something? Like, what would that even be? They're like, look, if we'll give you the tax breaks when you are married, we're going to have to prove that you're not taking advantage of us in divorce. Yeah. Which, by the way, we filed our taxes this year for the first time as a married couple, and let's go. Like. It was great. It was great, yep. It was a bonding experience. Well, no, you get a return. Like, it's a good thing. Username I'm not going to read said maybe women should hurry up and stop dawdling. There's something so infantilizing. There would be something so infantilizing. We found Alpine Divorce Guy in the chat. There would be something so infantilizing of the guy stopping and kind of just like half turning around over his shoulder and say, Would you quit dawdling? Let's not victim blame the women who are dying on hiking trails, okay? Robert DeLera said, Look on Brett's face when he heard that the guy left with the girl he met on the way up was classic. Bro is just like, found a better one. Sorry. Excellent use of free will, sir. Shane H. Wilder said, If you're going on a hike, you do not leave someone behind. A man's job is to keep watch out for predators and to help a woman if there is climbing. Yes. How about let's just, like, not hike, y'all? I don't understand the appeal of hiking. Can someone explain it to me, or is it this? What was the show that I was watching where they're, like, the guy and the girl are going on a date, and the guy's, like, I guess he's really into, like, nature photography, and the girl very clearly just wants to be on the date with the guy, and he's like picking up none of the hints that she doesn't care about. He's like naming all of these different kind of birds. And she's like, yeah, yeah, I guess. I forget what it was in. But that's what this feels like where the guy was like, I really like to hike. And she's like, yeah, me too. And then they're hiking. And he's like, wow, are those your hiking shoes? Like, okay. Like, and then they get halfway up. And he's like, are you sure you hike a lot? Because like you're not really keeping up and you were tired five steps into walking. and maybe she just wanted the guy and just lied about liking hiking. Women do shit like that. Yeah, that is true. I mean, the guy's version of that is pretending to care about his star chart or his astrology. Yeah, yeah. Mom, what time was I born? Run! I guess everyone does it to different degrees. That is true. It reminds me of the meme of the guy grabbing the girl's neck at a baseball game or whatever. I want to learn one day what it was he was ranting about. Yeah. I like the one of the guy leaning over to talk to the black girl, and he's like, and I said, Juneteenth should be a national holiday. Anyways, my name's Kyle. Corey Anderson said every one of these hiking ladies caused their own problems. I mean, I'm sure that they ignored red flags. Yes. I don't think they deserve to die as a result. And that's the thing. That is your moral obligation as a man, that even if she did make a bunch of mistakes and screw up, your chauvinism should step in and you should do the right thing and help them. Yeah, or go hiking with your bros. I don't know. Maybe that would be more fun for you. Shane H. Wilder said, And a hiking date early on is just weird. go on a picnic at a park if you want a date in nature a picnic basket and a blanket done and done he's like sorry i take all my first dates to a climbing wall and i say only way you get climbing only day yeah somehow only way you get a second date is if you beat me to the top uh indoor rock climbing is like somehow so much worse than a hiking date yeah especially if the guy has a membership at a rock climbing gym. He goes in and the person who works. That's like a subscription service. She's like, they walk in, the girl looks as like the person who works there, like calls him by his first name. And she's like, oh no, she called him Mark. She knows his name. They know his name. This is going to suck. Not a good sign. Uh, Le Chosen One said, my fiance and I went through this last year doing a through hike of the enchantments. We picked up an abandoned hiker that was abandoned by two friend groups. We found out why 22 hours on trail. My goodness. Yikes. That is wild. I'm glad you retrieved them. Robert Delera said, Mary is never going to get Alpine divorce. Spread the word, PCC. I've officially decreed this is not going to happen to me. Greg Duvier said, Mary, are you afraid of the sun? Yes. Yes, I am. Not just because of my genetics as a pasty Irish person, but also because I don't want to prematurely age and become a leather bag. So I recently made a purchase of a bunch of paper parasols on Amazon that I am going to get made fun of for carrying in public, but I don't care because sun protection is important. And I also wear SPF every day on my face, not on my entire body, but it is important. I've never worn sunscreen a day in my life. That is insane to me. But have you gotten a sunburn? Like a couple of times, I guess. It must be really hard for you to get a sunburn then, right? I've, it's happened on, it might happen once a year if like, you know, I'm out skating on the weekends sometimes eight hours a day, right? Sometimes longer. And if it's a particularly sunny day and you just happen to end up at a bunch of spots with like literally no building cover or shade. But in general, I don't sunburn. Wow. So. You must have some Mediterranean in you. You must have some Italian blood in there somewhere. you don't know about. Must be. Because that doesn't sound normal for a Polish guy. Is that the Croatian? Do Croatian people not the... I don't know. Not Bernie? You are a POC, so I guess... That is me. Technically, as a Croat, that's what that makes me. I'm a slob. I only got a tan maybe like once or twice in my life as a kid before I cared about that. But it wasn't because that's just naturally what happens to me. I have to burn before I tan. Like, there's no way around it. So I just stopped trying. Bossen said, worryingly, Moon at Noon is not here, so I will step up as number one simp officially today in his honor. nice camera good show you guys rock deus volt there you go and two dollars for the correct daria karen diner goth holy mary um okay i i do not identify as a diner goth i don't appreciate that what you don't no i i do not want people to think of me as a diner there are so many implications to that i don't go out in my pajamas i'm not obese and i'm not non-binary Those are like the bare minimum requirements to be a diner goth. People who commented on our video about it definitely didn't watch the video. Yeah, because I think they missed that we weren't talking about goth people. No. It was literally a characterization that a guy who wrote an article made for an ex. Yeah, he even said in the article, like, I'm not actually talking about goth people. I'm just talking about people who are vaguely alternative, sort of. Somebody accused us of both being too young to understand that goths hung out at diners. I was like, yes, that is me, the 40-year-old, who's too young to understand the goth phase of American culture. And, like, I'm confused about whether they think you're in your 20s or that they think I'm in my 40s and I don't know who should be offended. Yeah. Well, no, they must be saying that they think I must be too young because they said you two must be young, cuz. so yeah jnh wilder said if you put itunes on your computer you can transfer music to an ipod touch and back up the ipod touch to not lose your photos and ish okay so there is a way around it you should try i'm gonna need to like ask chat gpt how to do this but um for now my strategy is I found out a way to log into my email and, like, email myself the pictures that I take on the iPod Touch. That's the only way I can use it because it doesn't work with iMessage either. Oh, that's awful. Greg Duvier said, Law & Order SVU has done that for 20-plus years. Male and female partners never got together. Olivia Benson and Elliot Stabler were always professional. Okay, that doesn't bother me if we're talking about, like, they're both detectives. It wouldn't have made sense in Castle, because that was the whole point of the show, was that they had great chemistry. I saw somebody mention Castle earlier. Plus, he's not a detective. She's a detective, and he's just this very, very unlikely consultant, which would never happen in the real world. Yeah, that made perfect sense, but in those cases, it also depends on if they've got family, like if they're already in a relationship and if they're going to bring that into the storyline as well, I guess. Like, one of the ones that I bring up is in The Mentalist. They ended up putting Patrick Jane and Lisbon together at the end, and it made no sense because they never had romantic chemistry ever. Because 80% of the show is him trying to avenge the death of his wife. So it's very hard to make it a romantic relationship. And I guess the point was they waited until they closed off the Red John storyline. Theoretically, in a writer's perspective, he's healed himself from the trauma of his wife and child dying. So now him and Lisbon have permission, I guess, to be together. But they never had romantic chemistry, ever. Like there wasn't even a hint or a slow fold-up of anything. There was a time where she ends up hooking up with a guy. He never seems jealous in any way, shape, or form. Like, more than anything, it seems like she feels like a certain sense of almost like parental responsibility over him. Because he's so immature, he's just really good at his job. So it never made any sense. And then that plot point ends up feeling unearned. Well, then they end up together. So basically, she ends up dating Pedro Pascal in season six. And then suddenly he's irrationally jealous for the first time, and it makes no sense. And then by season seven, they're together. Only when she dates a gay man. Yes. This ignites his fury. Maybe he's not jealous of her. Maybe he just really hated him. That makes more sense. No, he's actually jealous because he wants Pedro. I mean, yeah, maybe that's what it was. um i was just like for some reason scrolling through the official subreddit about fraser because i'm still on my fraser rewatch and people were complaining about these scenes where um niles fraser's brother well he has this like long crush on on um daphne while he's married and then after he gets a divorce. And there are scenes where he does start, like, sniffing her and her clothes, and it's not played for laughs. It's just something he's kind of, like, doing in the background that he probably wasn't even told to do in the script because he thought that it was, like, you know, method or something. And they're like, is this creepy? It did kind of take me by surprise. Pop Culture Junkie said, Mary, my best friend agrees with you on the phone. Unfortunately, the Mini had really weak sales. Well, that's just a sign that we live in idiocracy now because people think that bigger equals better. It's like extra big-ass fries. It's extra big-ass phone. And the more camera lenses. We're going to end up like six camera lenses on this thing. Have you seen the Photoshop where it's like the new iPhones out and the whole back of the phone is a camera? Yeah, exactly. It's ridiculous. No one needs that many cameras. Shane H. Wilder said, I have an iPhone 13 and will be pissed if they go to end of life. I've had it four years and don't want to get a new one. I didn't even want to get the 13. I didn't either, but my previous phone was the iPhone 8, which still had the home button and everything. everything. And people even started making fun of me for having an iPhone 8. Um, well, like after, or well before I got rid of it, I had to though, because it did the thing where it just stopped charging properly. And at that point, even if you replace the battery, um, it just still doesn't work because Apple, uh, sabotages their own products. But I guess I'm, I'm the clown for still buying their products anyway. Red Snow said, I filed my taxes and let's go, don't belong in the same sentence. Brett has lived long enough to see himself become a tax villain. Is this a deep betrayal of your principles? I'm actually arguing with somebody in the chat about whether Lizbin and Jane had chemistry in the show. Sorry. No, they saw it. They're saying that they saw it and I said that I didn't see it there personally. says uh what did he say here he says you missed half the long arc of the show then he got away with murder half because they wanted each other just couldn't take a step no i felt that she felt um a kin responsibility for him uh partially because he was so good at his job and partially because she has a strong sense of justice and became the type of character where you know she she felt that they closed a lot of cases. Maybe it was there, but I think that there's enough pushback whenever you see the topic come up that at the very least, if as many people as me have said that they didn't see it, then there at least was a contingent of the people who watched that didn't see the chemistry in that way. I'm not one of those people who says that men and women can't be friends usually my take on it is that the way it's portrayed in a tv show where they're incredibly close friends without anything romantic attached that part is unrealistic but at the same time in tv shows or movies where there's like a years long drawn out like slow burn build up to them eventually getting together that also like rarely if ever happens in real life people usually make their feelings known. Look, and he does do a lot in the show to make grand gestures. Like when he basically dupes the FBI into giving him everything he wants once they bring him in after the murder of Red John, and he says he won't do it unless they bring her in as well. I get that. I still never saw that as a romantic gesture. Personally. But, that's just me. HiVoltage75 said I still need to do my taxes. Hashtag procrastination. to maxing. How many days do you have left? Is it April 14th? 15th, right? Let's do by the 15th? Well, let's just say the 14th to be safe. I don't want any of you getting audited. Get them done, ladies and gentlemen. Wilder said, I like hiking for nature photography, but I would never take someone on a hiking date. Too many things that can go wrong. Women also don't like hiking because it's, well, especially for like an early date. You don't know if he's a murderer yet. you're going to look sweaty. You're not going to look pretty and cute anymore. Oh, is this like the modern version of take her to a pool so that the makeup comes off? He's like, take her to the top of a mountain so the makeup comes off? Yeah, also the pool thing, I thought that was always a joke, but apparently not for some people. So yeah, women don't like getting sweaty and gross in front of a guy that they're getting to know on like a second or third date. Like that's obviously not what they want to do. Boston said, I know that was a joke, which I don't know what you're even referring to anymore. It's been so long. Burned Oil said, Haley is so deeply into her brainwashing, you got to rock her out of it only one way. Only out of it only way. Amanda Bynes just needs a coffee, lol. A little bit of support goes a long way. Amanda Mines probably needs more than that. I think she needs more than a coffee. Yeah. What she needs is a Visa gift card. That's what she, according to her list. Someone in the chat is going to step up and support Amanda. Shane H. Wilder said the only two on the mentalist that always had chemistry were Rigsby and Van Pelt. Rigsby and Van Pelt had great chemistry. And maybe that's my comparison, is that's a different type of romance. Obviously, canonically, Rigsby and Van Pelt are younger than Jane in Lisbon. And maybe, I guess, I found it more that an entire story where the first six seasons are about a man exacting revenge for the death of his wife and child who's just mired with self-loathing, Like I find an undercurrent of another relationship maybe to be a bit too much for my own sensibilities when it was such a huge focus of it, right? And clearly the writers at least understood the problems in making a romantic level of chemistry too overt. Otherwise, it would come off as opportunistic on Lisbon's part. so I ask because I haven't watched most of the John Wick movies do you think it's inconceivable that John Wick would ever have a love interest because of his backstory? I mean at this point they're basically just murder fantasies anyway in one and two definitely not at this point now whatever he can end up with whatever Halle Berry's character Well, he was married to Bridget Monahan in those two. That was his wife. Is he dead now? I don't even remember. It's been so long since I've seen four. We have a 20 here from Vodka Jables. Says, hey, all. Heard the Amanda Bynes talk. Had to rep my favorite childhood actor, Christy Carlson Romano, who is doing preventative cancer treatments. She has a book out October 6th called Once Upon a Trainwreck. I already pre-ordered. She's kind of based, right? Am I wrong? I just know that she did an exclusive interview with Evie Magazine like way back in the day. Okay, that sounds like you would have to be at least on what somebody might call the based scale if you're doing an interview with Evie. I think maybe even 2021. Shane H. Wilder said, I'll one-up you. My last one was the iPhone 7. Yeah. Back when they, well, no, I'm trying to think about it now. I think, no, my iPhone 8 did not have the headphone jack anymore. I also, I need to give respect to Cho in The Mentalist for his very unlikely relationship with Summer Edgegum with friend of the show, Samir Armstrong played Summer Edgegum in that show as like, kind of like a drug-addicted lunatic in the best kind of way. I can't picture her that way. Not a drug-addicted lunatic, but definitely like a mess, right? Her first appearance in the show is she gets caught stealing a credit card from a dead guy who she technically called for help but then stole the guy's credit card. So she's chaotic neutral at best in the show, and she's great. It's giving Cardi B. A little bit. Do we have any rumble rants that we have yet to do? Oh, wait, I think I did see one there. Yep, one from Broody Gambit. It says, my first smartphone was an iPhone. I got it to have my music between devices. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. My iPad won't get iOS 18, so I can move on to a new tablet and be done with Apple. Phil would not like to hear that. Phil is going to say that you should get another one. I do continue to be an Apple loyalist because of the user interface being, like, woman-friendly. That's it. I don't care about, like, the way that Phil was talking about PCs compared to MacBooks, I feel the exact same way. Like, I don't care about customizing my shit. Like, I don't think about that stuff. I'm not a techie. It's not a hobby of mine. I just want it to be very simple and even for a stupid person like me to understand. I also do take a certain level of pride in, like, the gaps between the iPhones that I get. So I started out technically, it's not a phone, but my first like smart device, I guess, was an iPod Touch. Then I got the iPhone 5. Then I got the 6, which died on me like horribly. And then the 8, and then my current one, which is the 13 mini. Yeah. The 6, I think... No, I lost the 5 because I dropped it in the bathtub. Who does that? I had an iPhone 4 and 5, and then I never went back to iPhone after that. Would you? No, I don't think so. Probably not. Not at this point. I've committed too long to my Android. I like my Android. Though it does, like, again, they could woo me back by bringing back expandable storage so that I don't have to go to the cloud. Like, literally all the music I have on my phone is downloaded music that plays on a native music player. It's not Spotify. It's not Internet required to listen to. Guys, we are about $20 away from a third party. Let's get it. And what I like to oblige, we do have four minutes left. And we have Shane H. Wilder here. He says, the pregnancy at the end of the series was forced. Well, at that point, why not do it? So they get married. Spoiler alert for anybody who didn't finish The Mentalist, which I think ended in 2013. Yeah, like they get married at the end. I do think that they handled Jane's desire to get away from solving crime perfectly because he clearly didn't want to do that forever. He didn't have a – he had this weird sense of moral obligation when he was in the midst of a case, but it seemed more about wanting to prove that he was right, and he didn't see himself doing that forever. And so them kind of getting in an Airstream trailer and getting away from it all made sense. And then the baby at the end, I figure, you know, they're already getting married. It already feels forced. Why not do it? Why not make it pregnant? all the way. Yeah. I also think the biggest mistake that that show did was that they did not work hard enough to make the other characters competent. So, it really did feel outside of Liz been getting some moments with like the Volker storyline, like, they were basically morons unless he was there to help them a lot of the time. Like, the cases would feel like they wouldn't get solved unless Jane was there to help, which never made them look good. They should have made a more concerted effort to have Lisbon, Rigsby, Van Pelt, and Cho actually solve more of the cases, rather than relying on the fact that Jane would just trick people into confessing. Brenda Wales said, if Mary went on a hike with her little iPod and wasn't found again, I hope someone finds the iPhone so it can be used again, lol. Let's not speak that into existence. I don't want to be one of those stories that Aiden Madison ends up talking about. Again, that's another reason why I'm never going to go hiking. They're saying all this stuff about how people are going in a different dimensions. They're getting abducted by Bigfoot. They're getting taken underground. No, no. The only way that could be more of an Aiden Madison story is if the main suspect was a guy who built a data center and it was like an AI company that was suspected of making you disappear. Like somehow Peter Thiel airlifted me. Sam, what's his name? Yeah, like NGO compound. No, thank you. 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