Why ICE Picked the Wrong City to Invade

hey everybody i'm pretty sure that's a copyrighted thing i don't think you can use that yeah i tried my best um i'm just glad that it says oh that's rich on the screen i was worried I was going to have to be Tim all day. And that's just, that's a tough job. You have to get older for that. You've got some gray, but you're not there yet. Quite a bit older. The hair that I do have is a lot less white than Tim. Fuck it. You got to go bald, man. It's true. Before I get to Tim, I'm going to go bald. Anyway, if people haven't figured out by now, they're listening and they're like, what is happening right now? This is Rich. And I am your host today. I'm filling in for Tim. um he had to miss the episode i think there was i i think he told us but i immediately forgot i think he had to get a colonoscopy or something like that yeah some invasive medical procedure i think right right i think there was a fiber convention in maine and so we had to go like to the fiber convention i'm not one of those things sounds about right sounds about right right somehow here was i not allowed to share that he's been backed up you'll find out anyway i'm gonna do my best here um but i will start by saying we have a awesome guest um with us today i'm just gonna read what i wrote so if i'm not looking at the camera um don't hold it against me um so she's a content creator you probably know from instagram if not a lot of different places um she covers a lot of topics but i think for me her most recognizable videos are these videos where she plays two parts and one is a sane person and the other is like it seems like a like a MAGA relative who just magically appears in her house and is usually eating something out of her fridge and she's like what the fuck is going on right now and then they'll just say something dumb and she has to like sort of she gets this like oh god look on her face and then she has to sort of like carefully disassemble and refute the argument and by the end of the video you're like oh maybe there's hope for for america um her her videos over the last couple of months have, I think, racked up at least 30 million views by my by my rudimentary count because she's from Minneapolis. She's from Minneapolis and she's been cutting all of that stuff together and giving us a really good glimpse and helping control the the narrative in the battle between ice and Minnesota. Welcome to Find Out, Anna Connelly. Thank you, guys. I'm so excited to be here. And that was a great summary. Thank you, Rich. My wife told me you guys need to have like thoughtful introductions for people i was like i'm gonna see him this is valuable i liked it yeah that's good you're like i'm gonna test it on anna i like it it works it was like a soft version if you watch the kelsey brothers podcast where jason kelsey introduced a guest it's like he's entering a wwe arena he just gives this crazy introduction that's but yours is like a i want to be introduced from now on i can do that too drink like seven red bulls and then just scream oh my god yeah oh yeah that's that's how i feel most days i don't even need the red bull i'm like let's just start screaming no wake up at 4am the news for like 12 just wake up you're like i'm ready so anna i wanted to ask you first what is minneapolis st paul like these days have things calmed down now that there's only 2300 ice agents or is it right yeah yeah it's just it's so calm now only 2300 um it's weird so i get this question a lot and i live in a like right on the edge of the suburb so minneapolis is one block that way and if i go west further from minneapolis it's like nothing is really happening right like ice is not out there um but the vibe the attitudes everything everybody's just like it feels like pandemic honestly again where you're kind of like just I don't know weird vibes is how I would say it but my um daughter I have a four-year-old she goes to Spanish immersion so I'm still very much like in it we see you know that just heartbreak every day right where teachers are being detained or their spouses or whoever and it's just like constant news um in our daycare and pretty much all daycare schools around here have, you know, parent volunteers who are like protecting the school during the day. And it's just fucking insane. So yeah, so I would say it's really based on where you are, you could be in a neighborhood where you're like, everything's normal. Like, I don't see any of this versus you're in a neighborhood where you're literally seeing ice running through your yard, you know, chasing people. So Jesus Christ. That's what is it? What does a parent protector have to do? Like, what are their responsibilities? So our volunteers, it's literally just watching, right? They have like their vests and they have their whistles, whatever, and they're just ready to call and get everyone inside immediately. There's, I can't remember if it's Brooklyn Park or Brooklyn Center, but in a suburb where if you guys saw the news article about two women were detained and they ended up saving one of the agents because he was having a seizure. Did you see this? No, I didn't see that. Okay. You need to read that article because it's insane and just shows how untrained these people are because this man in the passenger seat starts having a seizure and the other agents have no idea what to do. And the women who have been detained save his life. Oh, my gosh. So where that was, I can't remember which city it was, but there's tons of ICE agents there. It's a large Latino population and they've been just, you know, it's what we all know, right? They're at schools, they're at hospitals, they're at these places where all the criminals are. And it's like, well, no, you're just attacking like hardworking parents. so there the parents i know have been literally like getting in a line around the school and they'll like line up to the front door so that people are just walking through christ i could so it's just so crazy here because i live in atlanta and like none of that is happening like anywhere because i just think they don't you know it's just not on their radar at the moment it's just like how how long has it been like is it just been since like renee good or is But prior to that, as well, it felt like this prior to that. I mean, Renee was definitely like the catalyst for more and more. But the reason she was killed was it had already come in and she was, you know, helping protect people. Right. So, yeah, it's been crazy. But I think it was like November. I'm trying to think because I have a that's the other thing, right, is is even people who are not even immigrants are terrified if you just have brown skin. I have a friend who was adopted from Columbia. She has white parents. She grew up in Minnesota. She has never been to Columbia other than her birth. And she has not been to a restaurant since October. She was like, I'm terrified to even leave my house right now because also how do I prove if an agent says, were you born here? She's like, no, but what? Like, I don't know what to say. Right. That should not be the question. No. Right. Yeah. yeah have you personally have you personally taken part in these as one of these parent protectors no well so yes i haven't done like the vest work but the people who kind of camp out there's a lot of parents in the parking lots it reminds me this is going to sound super morbid but when there's a school shooting you'll read articles of like the parents who go for weeks after just kind of like sit at their kids school because they're like i'm just gonna sit here in my car and make sure nothing happens and it's like that's what we're seeing is parents will just sit there and be like i'm just gonna make sure everything's okay so yeah except this time it's not random serial killers it's the government yeah so i mean it's just so interesting too because like it's not the right the national narrative is like we're aware of this stuff but only you guys are really embedded in it. And that's such a different experience. I'm sure just like America must feel like a totally different country compared to where Rich and I are, you know? Yeah, totally. That's like, it's terrifying. That's, that's the kind of thing that's where I get really worried about, like the fascist sort of stuff, because they slowly bleed it in until it's everywhere, you know, and it feels like this is one of the first entry points they're using. I think that's totally it. And I think that's a huge like fear with, with Minnesota that I've heard other people say is don't look away. Right. It's the same thing with George Floyd protests when we were all like all eyes on Minnesota. You know, we're very good at protesting even in negative 45 degrees. So it's one of those where you're just like, you know, we can't have the news pull out because suddenly they could do anything in here. I mean, is it because I wonder about this is ice like it's just like ice agents like wandering around like they're just like at the grocery store shopping and then all of a sudden they pop out and just start doing their job or there's like really hidden and they just pop out like what's the vibe like with that yes and no like everyone's seen them you can always tell which cars they are um and they're doing really shady shit right they've been caught like switching license plates and because people are you know tracking the license plates and um so you'll see them i can't say i've seen any at a grocery store but i'm sure other people have and like it's you know super weird i don't know how i would react i'd be like fuck you and then you get deported it'd be fine like you guys both saw rachel cohen's video where she came across greg bovino at a at a at a gas station or something oh yeah it's greg bovino and she like she she i think she's described it as a pre-hague photo shoot um which was just like she's just standing there holding her phone you know she's probably i mean she's taller than greg bovino but she's probably half the size of these other these other huge dudes and she's just holding her phone recording a video and she's like go fuck yourself and it was just like oh man i don't think i could do that you know that guy is terrible when tom holman looks good compared to right a deli in the trench coat and everything you're just like the haircut it's it's all just pure it's like if you went to a stylist would make me a nazi that's yeah right yeah right i'm going to be in a 1940s period piece um except it's going to be real life in Minneapolis no he he embraced the the Nazi cosplay like way too eagerly and in even just the way he walked like walking down the middle of a street flanked by all these douchebags with the trench coat and like the shit on the sleeves and everything I'm like dude you know exactly what you look like right now and you think it's like the coolest fucking thing coolest yeah yeah it's so gross but yeah it's one of those things where like it starts to show the limits of Trump's brazenness too because even he was like all right we got to pull this guy out this they're making it too nazi and even we can't go this far which is kind of like that's the only like silver lining i found where it's like all right at least this shit is scaring trump into changing a little bit whereas if he was like excited by it he'd be like i don't give a shit just keep pressing and he would increase rather than decrease so like even though it's a teeny change it's like all right trump's kind of being you know persuaded by how negatively this is going in a teeny tiny bit you know totally And I'm actually so glad that they came to Minneapolis, obviously, like not with all the harmful stuff going on. But it's like us being the testing ground is so fucking funny because I'm like, really? You didn't notice like five years ago we don't really do this. And I think, you know, seeing I've told people this where I'm like, George Floyd was a global movement started in Minneapolis. So having that in the back of our minds, we're like, OK, we've already done this before. Let's do it again. Why would you want to fuck with those people? I don't know. Hey, Luke's back. Your internet's alive again now? Just for everybody not watching. Biggest piece of shit company. Disappeared and we're like, hey, what did we say? He's back. Fucking hate me. You missed some crazy stuff. Greg Bovino's behind Luke's house cutting cables. Don't talk about me. I hate Greg Bovino. He's like Stephen Miller level horrendous. Fun-sized dickhead. I gotta make sure everyone knows it. Fun-sized dickhead. That's what... Maybe that was the badge that was on his Nazi jacket as he was walking. Most likely. I mean, I read that supposedly all the people that accompanied him have to be five, seven or shorter. So he doesn't look so short. No way. It's like in his rider, like concerts. It's in his rider. Exactly. Nazi rider. He's like a bowl of Skittles and no one can be taller than me. Anyone who makes Oompa Loompa jokes goes to Seacott immediately. and I need 50 gallons of tear gas to throw at people. Holy shit. I mean, it's just, I mean, you guys are really doing a huge service in that city though, because I feel like they looked at this and went, oh fuck, we really can't do this again. You know? Totally. Yeah. It's a huge thing. Cause I mean, it's the same thing. Like I, because I think, I don't know if you guys are the same with your TikToks, but like I get a bunch of Atlanta oriented TikToks come here. So like, I'm sure your own cities haven't, but like every single TikTok I get is like people in the big, dude, don't come here. Like we all have guns. like that you're so fucked if you come here like if you try this like terrible pick philly's a terrible pick yeah philly i mean you try los angeles only places you're welcome are red states right unsurprisingly they have no interest in going after no i mean yeah that overlay did you ever did you guys see that overlay picture where it like the the heat map of where ice is versus the election the electoral map results They perfectly lay on top of each other Like all the heat is on the blue states Of course. Yeah. If they were after undocumented immigrants, they'd be in Texas and Florida. But they're not. Yeah, that's I mean, maybe, you know, it's one of those images where I'm like, I hope this is accurate. You know, I'm not sure. You know, the source is not there. Yeah, but it makes sense. You know, I'd make a video on it. It would be that kind of thing where I'm like, I'm not so I've got a video planned. Eventually, they've got three maps. One is the voting record for 24. One is the GDP of areas. And one is the literacy rates, because it turns out that land can't read or earn and it doesn't fucking vote either. That's a good way to do it. Yeah, I'm always impressed with your videos, too, because I've tried those scripted videos a couple of times. Those are hard as shit to put together. Like how, how much work goes into building one of those out for you? Like scripting it and recording and doing it. Cause it's like, it's not easy to make those. No, it's not easy. And it totally depends. So there's some like scripting is fairly easy to me just because I either have these conversations in my head and I'm like, oh, that would be funny. Or they're real. Right. Like at this point when I was growing, it was harder because I was coming up with everything now suddenly you're like, oh, that's a good comment. Like I'm doing that or like, it's just idiots who message me. And I'm like, thank you. This is great for my business. So those are easier. But yeah, the editing for the longer ones. And like, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the misinformation ones. Those are like a fan favorite. And I love them. But they take so long to make. Because as soon as you add a third character, it's so much harder. So this is the interesting thing about like interviewing content creators for me is like, you do so much fucking work. and my dumb ass just walks out to my car and like the bet my best videos have no script whatsoever yeah that's true that sounds like so much work too like i'll record something in my car you know and it gets millions of views and i'm like well why did i spend eight hours editing that other my uh after the the fucking bitch comment um oh yeah i was so pissed i was walking my dog around a track um at the school down the street and i was so fucking angry and i had already posted a video that day and i was like i i don't i don't need to do another video but like i'm so fucking angry that he called her a fucking bitch because that was the day that that audio was leaked and they fucking leaked it because they thought it vindicated them i'm like dude yeah and so um yeah i script everything um but it was like i think i got 70 seconds of being angry and i can just go and i started recording and then of course that one got you know several million views and the one i posted earlier that day that i'd scripted out and worked on really hard was like 50 000 or 100 000 always or it's the ones where i'm like i don't like like i'm not do i really want to post this yeah yeah exactly like i don't really want to post this and suddenly it's just huge i'm like oh okay well it could never have terrible taste that's how it is when i have one that's like that's a little controversial do i want to post that and then i do it and then it's Well, it's out there now. Yeah, it's impossible to tell. I've never called it right, I think. Every single time I post, I'm like, oh, this is going to be great. It sucks. And every time. That's the tricky thing about the algorithms now is like, I feel like I used to be able to tell within like 15 minutes. Oh, yeah, me too. If the video was going to do well or not. And now it's like, nah, fuck you. Mystery science. Yes. Well, isn't it crazy? Because I remember, Rich, you messaged me when that one, I overlaid the Renee Good shooting. Yes. Because I saw both views and I was like, perfect. we've got both views overlaid them and it was like i've never had something shoot up that much and i was like what is happening which is like you've got like two million views in an hour i was like oh my god what is happening that video is like 15 million now isn't it yeah but then it's hilarious because it's like those ones are the ones and not that i did it for the followers right but you you see and you're like oh i only got like a hundred followers from that because i'm not in it it's truly just like an informational overlay right you know and of course that's like the 15 million thing or something but but it was also crazy to have that and people being like whoa that's you know i'm seeing this before the news when the internet churns like that is a really really crazy feeling the only other like outside of alex preddy and renee good shootings the only other day that i think of like that is the day charlie kurt got got i have never never seen the internet like that it's absolutely no i mean yeah i mean we see more and more of it now it's the one thing that that when they're like it's a dystopian state and and magas but like they bought up cbs and they bought up you know they're trying to buy up cable news i'm like dude look at the times when it matters most they can't control shit they can't stay ahead of it they can't keep me from seeing uh alex bready get shot they can't keep me from seeing charlie kirk in seven different angles and the screams and in the like there's no control over it because it's all just out there and i and And I think that that it's terrible that it's that this is these are the things that are happening in that environment. But it's created this thing where they can't they can't control the narrative when when they're doing bad things. And that's that's the difference between now and like, you know, you look at 100 years ago with propaganda and a Nazi Germany. They controlled everything. We're not going to print the newspapers like that. Right. Right. And that was the only way you got the news was like, did somebody bring it to your doorstep? now you open your phone and you can't not see somebody get murdered when they get murdered and that was that so that day charlie kirk got shot it was literally like the first thing on every single one of my feeds it's like of course and that's that's even on platforms where it was definitely against tos like i saw that shit on tiktok that's yeah that's that's so fast that nobody could even control it and you're like oh my god i jumped on my stories and i was like warning everybody like do not you know if you're i'm like a very sensitive person especially with visuals like yeah that will stick with me and as soon as i saw it i was like oh my god i'm see i'm see oh my god this is for the eyes yep i got it when i was driving and like my buddy just texted me with no context and he's like just look and i'm like what it's charlie kirk oh my god it's just like okay i'm gonna do that for fucking ever holy shit the gratuitous violence yeah yeah the the gratuitous violence in that video in particular it was so obscene i thought it was fake i was sure that like yes he obviously he had been shot but i thought somebody made an ai video because like that's a perfect opportunity to get have a have bullshit go viral misinformation spreads really fast in that environment but um i didn't know that that happened to a body when well that was like it was a it was a surreal experience i had thought the same thing and i actually was like talking to my mom that night and she works in healthcare and she was like nope that was 100% real like that was exactly what it looks like and I was like holy shit so scary you know what it reminds me this is going to be such a side tangent have you guys watched blades of glory anytime the last 20 years yeah okay I watched it the other day it really holds up but in that scene when they show the like move they're supposed to do and the skater gets decapitated and it's like an AI like version that's what it felt like yeah I was like oh wait is that real like what it did feel like that it's just because i did i also had no idea that's what happens when that kind of shot occurs holy shit just the body movement was like a fucking demon or something i don't know yeah it was sick because i get asked it all the fucking time what's your like method for not getting desensitized to that because i don't have a method good question i know right because i i get asked it all the time i'm like i don't know i don't know so i and i talk about like adhd a lot on my page too and i like definitely have it and i have very like justice sensitivity and all of these like so i don't know how much of that is just my brain can't you know break those but yeah that's a good question i'm sure i mean we all do right you see that stuff and the next time you see it you're like oh that wasn't as bad as the one before exactly like i know the method that you're supposed to do like what the military does to avoid ptsd which like you're supposed to play tetris something with flashing repetitive lights they they literally make people play tetris after they've been in traumatic experiences in the military really clinically proven to reduce ptsd i love tetris i know right i literally played so much Tetris after I watched all three of those videos. Maybe that's why none of us have PTSD after 2025. We've all been playing our Tetris. If in like 40 years, there's another like orange guy who comes up, I'm going to be itching. I'm going to be gone. No, I didn't expect that topic to come up, but I saw a therapist like in the middle of COVID, you know, parenting, working from home hoping your kids don't die because there's a new virus that was a stressful time it turned out um really but the therapist how rich how old were your kids during covid oh jesus um so when it hit my son was two and a half and we thought he maybe maybe had asthma and we had and there was no data because there's a lot of asthma in the family um he doesn't it turns out but at the time you know there was no data on anything and so we didn't know if like asthmatic people were, you know, if that was a comorbidity or, um, and there was of course no vaccine, there was not even a horizon for a vaccine the first year. And, and he was in daycare full-time, my wife and I both work. And, um, my daughter was, she's four years older. So she's, she would have been like six and a half. Yeah. And, uh, so, um, we did. Yeah. Yeah. And most of us got the vaccine before we ever got it, but he did finally get Omicron right. When it came out like two days after going back to daycare after Christmas break, January of 2021 i think it was when omicron was on the tear and um or 2022 maybe anyway um and he was fine he had a high fever um but it was kind of a miracle not a miracle but uh it worked out um but the the therapist told us or told me um this trick where you like it's because there's like ptsd is unresolved trauma and and tetris i think because it's like compartmentalizing it helps your brain actually resolve unresolved things that have been just hanging out there and so there's this like alternating padding thing that you do and you can move your eyes back and forth and if you repeat like how you feel and then how you want to feel and you go back and forth between that you're basically uh simulating uh REM sleep and so then your brain compartmentalizes memories and I haven't had like really bad anxiety since I only did two sessions DMDR right yeah yeah yeah Yeah, I've done it too. It's extremely effective. It's like almost nobody knows anything about it. It really helps. And I had, did you call it that? What is it? EMDR. I think it's like eye movement, something it's about like reconstructing how your brain thinks about certain things. Cause I'm similar to Rich. Like I'm with my daughter, like anytime she's sick, I'm like, Oh my God, it's just every, just yeah. Cause she, you know, my daughter's also four and she, you know, was born during COVID. So it was, you know, constant concern about all that stuff. And like, it's just embedded in my head of like, this is dangerous. And this, I mean, I'm not, I'm still a lunatic, but I'm less of a lunatic now, thanks to the shit. That's so interesting. I need to look that up. You should. It's great. I mean, but it's tough. No, I mean, like it seems to be guided to some degree, but it's, yeah, it's, it's very effective. It's, it's, but it takes, you know, I mean, it's amazing. You got it done in two sessions. So that's usually needs to be more than that. So you must be really good at it. I'm, I'm, I'm really good at everything. He's the best. um and i want that was a long intro discussion um we're still in the intro three minutes left to process the rest of reality no um i did want to ask you because your your videos you have this really well established sort of back and forth between these like maga relatives i think you even mentioned like a maga muse or like a republican and muse in one of your so clearly you have real subjects in your life what I want to hear about is like how did this come to be in your head like I think all of us we all have everybody's got somebody MAGA and their family right what were your first memories of experiencing people who are you like what the fuck is wrong with their brain and how do I like bridge the gap with that person that's a great question I think so I grew up in I grew up a lot of places I moved around a lot, but high school in Rochester, Minnesota. And so I always tell people that's where the Mayo Clinic is. It's this weird two worlds where you have like rural Minnesota versus like top scientists in the world. And so thankfully I did not go to high school or college during this time. Right. Because I truly cannot imagine what kids are going through these days. It was hard enough, you know, with like Obama days and just wondering, yeah, what was going on in people's minds. And like, it just felt so much more actual politics back then. Right. People are like, I'm fiscally conservative. And you're like, well, that makes sense. And so, yes, I think those days were still, you know, I would battle like I've, you know, been a liberal since birth, would battle with people but it definitely did not feel that crazy until 2016 right When it was like that was probably the first time I cried about politics and was like wait what just happened Like you know and and then it still just kind of I made a video yesterday. I don't know if you guys saw it about kind of the shift in anger, because so many of us are like, we've had this anger for the past decade and it suddenly feels worse, more just personal. And you're like, yeah. So I had said, you know, I think it's because we're seeing everything happen that we warned was going to happen. And those MAGA family members are like, no, I like this. No, I thought you were going to change once this started happening. Yeah, that's a great person. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's so it's so hard. So honestly, I mean, personally, I'm feeling even more of the struggle with bridging the gap. I always tell people I don't buy into like the black and white thinking. I'm like, there's always this gray area. I think that there are still this chunk of people probably much smaller than any of us wants it to be of MAGA voters who will, who are changing. Right. And they're saying like, wait, wait, wait, I'm shocked that this is happening um but i'm a little more pessimistic now lately being in minneapolis where people are seeing these videos and are just like yeah i'm fine with this you're like oh you're just not a good person you're a terrible human being right i had a human okay i got it yeah um and a lot of it is in some of my muses um it's kind of this like well mistakes are going to be made you know when you say like what about these people who are being murdered what about these people wrongfully detained what about you know the five-year-old kids yes and they're like well mistakes are gonna happen mistakes are gonna happen and you're like i'm gonna punch you in the throat that's where i go right next after that because i've yeah that's basically me bridging the gap right now it's just my fist and then we'll call it a mistake the concept of calling those things mistakes is fucking absurd to me and especially because like the back the racist background of it right because it's like if this was a little blonde you know my little blonde girl blue eyes nobody you would never say that well just look at what happened yesterday right that that girl asked her dad what would happen if trump raped me and then he killed her yes that's i mean that's insane that that's insanity yeah and it's like killing your own daughter because you're questioning trump that's it's i mean i didn't see that cult behavior yeah i didn't see that some guy in texas i think yeah no charges filed right now it's fabulous that'll change i really hope but like it was he got into a fight with his daughter his daughter was challenging him on trump and i think that luke yeah i think that's the question was like what if trump right mean he just killed her yeah it's just absolutely insane you know it's i don't know i mean it goes back to like rich you made that extinction burst video a long time back and like i was talking to my mom about it last night because she's my mom is a giant fan of rich and she watches everything one of rich's biggest fans and she was like mom fans are the best like any of my friends moms who love me? I'm like, I love you. He doesn't have a bigger fan than her out there. And she, she's like, this is the burst is too short. And I'm like, I agree. I think that's what you're feeling in that, that sense is like, everybody sort of looked at this and went, all right, this is just the last throws and you know, it'll be fine. It's like, no, the last throws are going to last a good chunk of time, you know, because in the grand scheme of things, I think what this is like me personally, the way I find optimism in this stuff is I look at it and go, all right, this has been a broken, shitty system pre-Trump. Like for most people in this country have been struggling since Reagan reconstructed how we work as a society. So like to me, this is awful in the short term, but it's necessitating like major shifts in how we go forward. And it's just frittering away support for Trump and his bullshit, every single bad thing they do. And I think it just opens the gate for like actual substantial change down the line. It's just a question of like, do we trust Democrats to fucking capitalize on it and make actual functional changes where like Americans can look and see European systems coming in and social democracy coming in in a way that like changes the construction of wealth in this country and comfort and care. I think it's possible. And that's like that's the part of my head where I'm like, I'm angry, but I'm also still optimistic just because of how bad he is. It is going to burn out a lot of support for this stuff. that's how i feel and i think if you like i'm assuming you guys are big fans of history and everything and i think i always say that if you're a fan of history i think you're a little bit more optimistic about this because you see the patterns right it's like look at germany like now they have an extremely educated population that nuremberg did yes yes you're right i mean germany is a great analog for that like yes it's you know we're about 80 plus years after the fact but you look at it and you go i mean they're fucking awesome now and then when you bring up that time they're like i don't want to talk about that that's we're not going back no we're not wrong yeah no it's great i mean it's great great's the wrong word but it's it's like we have so much fucking potential as a country and it's just not being realized in the worst possible ways so like i think trump going the total opposite direction and going all in on it is actually like a really good medication for the problem we've been suffering from for a long long time well and he's not making the same arguments um you know bush cut taxes and then said it was to trickle down and like i think we discussed in the episode with justin uh wolfers right um he like they're not making that argument so we don't have to refute that argument anymore um they're he's just building a ballroom with palantir donations like they're they're cutting taxes because they want money and and they're building shit for themselves because they want to be celebrated like that that's that's the whole conversation. They're deporting people because they hate brown people. That's it. And there was a story in the New York Times about a raid in Idaho in October, and it is now making national news because ACLU opened a lawsuit. And in this lawsuit from ACLU, it describes how children of white people who were at this event were just let go and given food and water. And there was a three-year-old Hispanic girl who went hours without water, a 15-year-old Hispanic U.S. citizen who had his food taken away from him and thrown away. There was another US citizen who was brown, but didn't speak Spanish. And they kept yelling at him in Spanish. And he was like, I don't speak Spanish. And they threw him on the ground, pinned him down and then kept yelling at him in Spanish because they thought he was lying that he didn't speak Spanish. I'm like, do you think he knows how to say I don't speak Spanish in English without an accent, but he secretly speaks Spanish. And so it was just like, I mean, there are grotesque examples of of racial profiling. that are now coming to light. And there's footage and there's video of all of this stuff. And so back to the point, they're just doing the things that we always said they were doing for nefarious reasons. And we were always told, well, no, that's just a fringe minority. They really want to grow the economy or they really just want to have secure borders. All of that is out now. All of those arguments are gone. They're not even making the arguments. We don't have to refute them. We just know this is what it is and so in two or three five years when they try to say well no if we cut taxes on the wealthy it'll grow the economy we'll be like dude let's get back to the throat punching because like we're all out of argument exactly it's crazy no i mean it's the i think a lot of it is it's you know the economy the economic stuff is what won in the election but this shit that's happening with ice is the real reminder of the danger and like on that i'm curious like what have you personally seen firsthand with ice stuff? Like, I know, like you live in the city where these horrible things happen, but I doubt you were within 20 feet of seeing those happen. It's like, what have you actually seen firsthand from this stuff? I think it's more, so I speak with a lot of my daughters, like former teachers and current teachers. So the stuff that we've seen, right, is people actually being detained wrongfully. People, we had two teachers detained who have work visas. They were immediately sent to Texas. They had to be bailed out, right? So like parents raised all of this money and we're using it for legal fees to bail out people who are here legally. And, you know, what's going to be done, right? Because they're taking tens of thousands of people at a time and you can't possibly wait for, you know, judges to get through all of that. So that along with, you know, people losing jobs, I'm constantly in contact with people. I raise money and I send them money for rent is a big one, I think. And this isn't to like demean those efforts, but a lot of people jump into like, how can I get groceries? How can I get all of this stuff to these people? And that's awesome. They need food, but they're also at risk of losing their homes because they can't pay their rent. And so it's like, I have, you know, we have someone we know who has, he's a maintenance tech and he was working three jobs. He's here legally. he's been working three jobs um we've always said like jorge is the hardest worker we know it is insane and he's here legally he has lost two of his other jobs because the restaurant he worked at shut down because it is primarily latinos and serving latinos and the other job of like nighttime cleaning they cut you know for whatever reason so i think that's the stuff that all of it pisses me off but it's more the excuse of like well if they had done it legally and you're like okay but these people who are brown who did it legally as you say are still facing these repercussions so you know that's the stuff that i see that just makes me even angrier is the blatant racism that they just can't see well and it's all operating under the pretense that they ever gave a fuck about the law anyway right that's true that's yeah i don't know it's it's so hard to watch it because like it just doesn't seem like a thing that can actually happen and then it happens you know that's the scale like I mean for you especially being a parent like how is it being a parent in this space like I mean your daughter is young but like even just having her outside the house it's got to feel like a different vibe versus you know six months ago when this wasn't happening there yeah I think like the harder thing for me so she looks nothing like me. She's this little white, blonde, blue eyed, like, kid. And I get called the nanny a lot. I'm always like, No, I actually gave birth to her. And so the privilege of that of just being able to take her anywhere and not worry, I'm always kind of like, this is the fact that there are kids in my city who can't leave their house right now. Right. Just kills me. And I think as a parent, that's, you know, I'm not in the difficult stage where I have to tell her anything. She has no idea. It's more the heartbreaking, you know, when her teachers, what is it, February, in January, when things got really bad, a lot of the teachers stayed home and we did a soft close for Thursday, Friday of the daycare. Anybody who really needed it, you know, medical professionals, whoever, they could still go. But the rest of us said, okay, we'll take those days off so the teachers can hide in their attics, right? Like, fucking insane. You know, and then her teachers were gone for a while because they're hiding at home. And so she'll come home and say, Oh, you know, I heard my teachers went to kindergarten, and she's so sad. And I'm like, Nope, they're just sick, you know, they'll be back. So she's unbothered by this, right? She's just kind of like, has no idea what's going on. And it's more those subtle things where you're like, I'm telling you that your teachers are sick, but they're hiding from the government. Okay. Got it. Jesus. There's some things like that or the, you just make you just get that comment alone just like hit me in the face. Like that is real life for you guys. And like the scary thing is this could, that could be in a lot of cities sooner rather than later, you know, that's Jesus Christ. It's awful. And I thought, you know, I've talked a little bit about generational wealth on my page. And I was talking to my husband about this yesterday is, you know, Latino kids. So let's say that their parents did come here illegally, which, you know, we know plenty of people who then their kids, we know somebody who came here illegally, such a long time ago, has three kids, one's in college, one's in, you know, high school as a stellar student, the other was a Marie. And you think about the generational wealth of that of these parents did what they had to do for their kids. And then a lot of Latino kids then help their parents, right? Because they're like, you did this for me, I'm going to keep paying you, you know, and help you out with this. Well, suddenly these kids are being just decimated financially because their parents can't work, can't afford their rent. So it's just, yeah, I was talking to my husband about that. And I was like, I'm sure that's not the point. I'm sure that's not the whole point is to just crush this entire group of people, you know, from every which way. But what do they get out of it? That's the that's like the question I want to ask people who support it. Like, what is actually what are you getting out of this? You know, outside of the obvious, like it's racism and they're racist, like the net outcome is negative for in like every single way Society is unraveled in a way that not positive It bad for the economy It bad for just like general disposition Like what is the net benefit of this There doesn appear to be one And that where I just confused about how people can support It like all right yeah you rounded them up So like what did you get for it You know I think my thing So there a quote. I never say this right. And I will not say it as eloquently, but it's like a society grows when old men plant trees. They know they will never whose shade they know they will never sit under. Right. And that quote, I've heard it decades ago, and it's always stood out to me. And so I always tell people, I'm like, look at the what drives them. Trump wants to be the richest man. Like he wants to have as much money as he possibly can. He does not give a shit about his kids. What happens after he's gone? He wants to be able to look at his bank account the day he dies and knows and know how rich he was. Stephen Miller, I think, is a person who's driven by hate. that's it i think he's just like white power that's what drives me and that's what i want and so i think when you get that mix of of people and you can look at all of their different incentives like christy noem she wants photo shoots she wants to see herself on vogue that's it those fuckers cover the seven deadly sins they've got it seriously seriously and that's a great video you should do that one um but it is it's just like i think people have a hard time because you're like, you can't relate to that. And so they're like, well, nobody would ever do that. And they're like, well, no, you wouldn't do that probably. But like the people you support would. And are. And are. And are. Yeah, that's been the hardest thing for me is we've been told like since the Tea Party that, oh, this is just a fringe minority. And we don't like the bulk of Republicans don't want this stuff. And now there was a quote I learned a while back and it was, I'll see if I can similarly not butcher it, but. Try to match my eloquence. Good luck. You stand for what you tolerate. Yep. And most people are just like, no, no, I don't. But when you look at it through that, but you do, because that's the excuse that everyone who's got some level of privilege uses for like, well, I voted for him for the economy. Well, you're tolerating the racism. You're tolerating the deportations. And now it's also you're tolerating his economic abuses. Therefore, you stand for it. And putting that responsibility, the whole responsibility of what they choose to not refute on people makes them really uncomfortable. It's also a good standard to hold yourself against. It's difficult, but it forces you to make better decisions. And most people don't. Most people just don't want to hear that. And if you tell them, they're just like, no, I'm not going to. I'm not going to hold myself to that standard. Yeah. How do you get them to understand it? That's like, I don't get like, cause you're right. But like, how do you, how do you get that to be something where they hear it and absorb it as opposed to, I was going to ask if you guys read much on like cult behaviors or like the psychology behind cults. I haven't. And I want to read, I need to find some like books about it because I think it is so fascinating. Whenever I do see, I'm like, oh yeah. Okay. That is what this is. It's, I mean, I, the little bit that I've done, most of it is functionally around the feeling of a lack of safety and then providing safety. Like that's why a lot of this, like the rhetoric from the Trump administration, especially this time around is really predicated on building a fear base and then going, all right, here's a foundation of a lot of shit you should be afraid of. Immigrants bring crime and, you know, housing is going to be fucked because of everything, all this, these things that make you fear that your base level. And then you go, all right, well, this person's going to protect me from the biggest problems I have. Right. Exactly. And that's so it's like it's the you know, it's structured of like here is a giant fear that we've built for you. And here is a big pile of safety. And that is the people that are desiring that are the people that feel the most afraid. The people who fall in the cults are just frightened people. Yeah. Fear is a huge. I mean, look at religion, right? People will stone their own children because they're so terrified of an afterlife that, you know, they're like, nope i don't know all of that goes out the window it's like like oh okay unfortunately we don't have enough time to get into religion um and let's do it let's start a long time two thousand years um okay so i think we've got like 10 minutes left we've talked about a lot of things um and i i did ask you about like an ask me anything and i think maybe we could end on something other than the notes that we have we've uh traversed um in this conversation let's find a happy ending um yes i like that for this for this episode so i don't love that verbiage though i don't either i was just gonna say the same thing let's not end i didn't notice until now loves loves happy endings god damn you god damn you rich i said something yesterday really quickly to my friend who don't ask me the context because it'll be too long of a story. But I said, oh, it's like work camp. And I was like, yeah, it's like work camp. And she just stares at me. And I was like, oh, no, no, like, never mind. Whoops. Never mind. That's so funny. All right. So who's got a question for Anna? I've got a couple written down, but go ahead. I've got one. I have to jump in one minute. So I'm going to do mine first. If you could only pick one creator to follow, who would it be? That is brutal. That is so mean. Shoot, because then it's like, do I go with an Aaron Parnas where like I know what's happening or do I go with just like something funny? It's up to you. Probably Rich. Hey, that's a good answer. That's a good answer. You just won right there. It's Rich. I mean, no notes. Yeah, no, I don't know. I'm going with Rich. I love it. Sweet answer. My mom agrees with you. so does my mom yeah which is two biggest fans my two fans um i have a question for you how does your husband feel about your dm and oh okay that is a great question because yesterday i got a i'm still gonna do benefit of the doubt because i'm always i've always been the girl who's like they weren't hitting on me like they were just and everyone else is like what are you talking about Anna and I sent him a note from a former NFL er and I was like look he wants to like get together for coffee and like pick my brain and he was like Anna Anna I want to know who this is now I know you can't say I can't but I was just like okay okay so yeah he's my husband isn't on social media he hates social media he is more just like yeah anytime like he's such a sports fan so anytime someone in the sports world follows me i send it to him and that's pretty much it that's cool and now he regrets it for the rest of his life he's like never tell me about athletes sending you dms again is your inbox like they just want to get coffee like just it's just coffee yeah is it like half death death threats i was gonna say what's flirting hate to love ratio well so i i truly i think get and i hate saying this because i'm not making it a challenge um but i think i get less than most creators because i purposely don't do like inflammatory stuff necessarily like i'm so like these are the facts so mostly i get people who are doing the like well debate me i'm like you have seven followers who are you like you have seven followers and nick fuentes is your profile picture yes and i'm like no go away and also you don't know what debate is um so it's more of that but honestly i get like a lot more praise you know i feel the love in my dms again not a challenge if you're a troll don't come at me um you don't want that smoke no don't give me that smoke luke what you got uh oh you're on a desert island one book what you got who the bible really i was gonna say i think this is i would i would have been there we go rich really wanted me to bring up religion again um we could talk we could talk lutheran though i grew up lutheran as well but that's another episode i guess a better question is do you read like are you a reader i do yes i mostly read like i go through phases but i've been in a long-term just smutty like romance novel phase um but i wouldn't want one of those on a desert island i think i think i would choose like a really long maybe it would be like the lord of the rings like entire trilogy and it was just answer you've got two you are that's two perfect answers there you go yeah you just read the mordor poster off of your wall i think she stole it yeah she took that's actually hilarious i do have the giant like actual full trilogy one so so i might have the hobbit included too anyway not harry potter no because i honestly thought harry potter and then i thought well i don't want to read just one i'd want to read like all of them but they'd have to be goodwill because i can't buy them new and support you gotta buy them used i'm gonna say i don't think i could see jk rowling's name in front of me like and like scratching out a miserable human brings so much fall truly like truly i think of like the biggest falls and it's like rudy giuliani you could have just gone off into the sunset and been like i was the mayor during 9-11 and that was it nope giant fall jk ron had quite a fall elon giant fall yeah it's the batman quote you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain there you go and they didn't have to live that long they didn't know nilin literally had to make it like another two years they went straight yeah you're like buddy you're 36 man base jump parse it out okay i got two more questions for you and then we'll wrap um these are weirdly both about death i must have been thinking about death when i was uh writing the notes last night so if you had to choose between freezing to death or falling into a volcano which one would you pick freezing for sure really i know i've always said like if i had a terminal illness or something give me a funeral where you just like push me off onto an iceberg because then you just like fall asleep you have time to think and everything just kind of like slows down don't give me the volcano but i feel like first you got like the whole teeth chattering bit and i don't think that's very fun yeah but that's not i mean i'm in minnesota so I feel like I have a pretty good tolerance for cold. Fair enough. And it's like, it's not a, it's not painful. Like it's annoying and your teeth are chattering and stuff, but maybe. Yeah, I guess if I was like naked on this iceberg, I was kind of picturing myself like in gloves and stuff. I'm still going cold. Minnesota winter death. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Give it to me. Last one. would you rather be eaten by a hundred piglets or one great white there's an easy pick here i feel piglets are so cute i'm going great yeah it would take a long time it would take so long and it would hurt the great yeah because if it was just like little niblets you'd just be like oh like little ouches yeah stop it stop it and a little more cute little piggies yeah i'll go great white But what if you had to be in the ocean? This is an improv addition to the question. What if you had to be in the ocean for like 20 minutes knowing it was coming? No. Piglets. Then you've taken the piglets. I think the piglets would take longer. There's no way piglets could eat you in 20 minutes. Open water is truly like one of my biggest fears. My parents, I'm not joking here. I should probably see a psychiatrist for this, but my parents live in Costa Rica and they have this, they live up on a hill. So you see the ocean. I can't look at the ocean for that long without just getting kind of creeped out. And I'm like, I'm not going to throw any shade. I have a devastating phobia of birds. It cripples me. I can't be around them. Yeah. Can't do it. I don't mind birds, but open water. Yeah. Fucking flurry bastards. I hate them. I like birds. Like pigeons? You don't like pigeons? No. They're flying rats. That's what they are. They carry disease. Well, this was a terrible ending to this entire podcast. Birds are awful creatures. Way to ruin it, Luke. How dare you? I pay full credit for it. Can we get Zach back? I'll trade him off. All right. I think we need to wrap. I've never ended an episode before. Tim always handles this. So he's got the stuff memorized. What is it? Find out something at podcast. Findoutpodcast.substack.com. Go there. Buy our merch. I am wearing a shirt. I got to do the grand reveal that Tim always. He did the Superman. I know. I love your guys' design. Thank you. Like a lot. Very cool. It's chat GPT, right, Luke? No. don't say that somebody will clip it and we'll be fucked it's a real we had a real artist create these real artists and our stuff is union made and printed in the u.s and made in the u.s i'll promote it yeah awesome thank you um anna connelly of minneapolis thank you for all of your work thank you for spending almost an hour with us this morning despite the technical challenges thank you yeah it's been wonderful all right you guys it's so nice until next time till next time