BIlls “broken” by Broncos, C.J. Stroud struggles, Remembering Martin Luther King Jr. | 01.19

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So book today with our Virgin Atlantic Holidays Experts in store, by phone or online. Selected 2026 arrivals and Disney Resorts, Tessences apply. Wow, it is a weekend with a lot of football. We are going to start here with the bills and the Broncos, where the Broncos won 33-30 in overtime, over the bills. This is very interesting where this was a very close game and often an exciting game. Varion, I wouldn't not say that it was a great game. No, no, it was a sloppy. Yeah, it was not very well played, right? But it sure was compelling. Yes, okay. It was top to bottom compelling. And in the end, it was the most devastating game that I have ever seen. And the reason that I say it was the most devastating game I have ever seen, is I have never seen a game that ended with both teams so devastated. Now, shout out to the Denver Broncos. I guess we really get a real chance to look at them because the players hadn't found this out yet. But they won this game and Sean Payton did his post-game media stuff. He left. He came back and was like, oh, by the way, gotta let you guys know something. Botanix has a broken bone in his ankle. He's going to have surgery on Tuesday. He's out for the rest of the playoffs. I, that was a big win for that team. If I am not mistaken, it was Denver's first playoff win in 10 years since the 2015 season when they won the Super Bowl, right? They won this at home. They won it in overtime. This was a make it happen sort of situation. They got it done. Um, their quarterback did not play badly. I did not think that their quarterback played well. He did make a couple of massive throws. He did. Right. And we are combined in our Botanix skepticism. But no, but he made some big, I'm not going to pretend like he was terrible. Correct. Right. I mean, there's no need to act like he played badly. He made those big throws. And in a game like that, the ability to make those big throws matters, right? However, this was not a C. We told you we always wrong about, but it's not going to vindicate in either direction is the point that I'm making there. But he's got a broken bone in his ankle. Yeah. Like you got that big emotional win. And now your quarterback is out. And Sean Payne says that Jaris didn't still will be ready. Ready for what? I'm not going to go like I ain't never seen it. Ready for what? No. All right. Uh, Auburn. Look, I've seen. No, I'm just telling you right now, man. Bless you guys. Hearts. And if you manage to win this, you got to boss as defense. Don't get me wrong. Losing your starting quarterback is devastating. Yes. Okay. And so I'll put it like this Ryan. Regardless of what our Botanix skepticism is, I think we both agree. He is a starting quarter starting. And if I quarterback for sure is a starting under a full quarterback. Jaris did him is not not. Okay. And look, maybe I don't talk to his ass into going out here and really making it happen. You know what I mean? I said, Kurt Cus is what the starting NFL quarterback 10 fucking years later. He's made $857 million. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it goes that way. But I can't. Can you think? Have you like I'm trying to think in the playoffs of a circumstance where a quarterback was just out. Just out of nowhere. No, I mean, the closest comparison would obviously be, you know, Carson wins about eight or nine years ago. Yes. Ernie like in the end of the regular season. Yes, but that was in like I think early December. Yes. And they were the number one seed and Carson wins was, you know, he was looking like he was going to win the MVP. Right. But that was a long time ago. Is it? That's all. Yes. Correct. Um, and then I mean, and the Nick Folls gets hot. Right. But but Nick Folls is. It's a weird case. It's Tom Brady compared to. Yeah. He's only good one place. Yes. But that one place. He's really good. But like Tom Brady got hurt in the first half of the 2001 AFC championship game and they had to go back to Drew Blitz. So right. But Tom Brady was back for the Super Bowl. Yes. Right. You're going to AFC championship game. Your quarterback is out. That is to me devastated. Like if they can, if they can hold it together in spite of that fact, blessings to all the people that are involved. But that seems to be devastating. However, I personally, in my life, have never seen 18 of professionals ever be more devastated than the Buffalo bills appear to be after losing this game to the Denver Broncos. I've never seen anything quite like this, especially since it wasn't the Super Bowl, especially since it wasn't the AFC championship game. Now look, I'm going to tell you this. This is one thing about covering sports that I don't hear people like talk this much about, but I will never forget this as long as I live. It was the first time that I ever went into a locker room of a losing team after an elimination game. It is the saddest, the mustiest, the quietest, the tensest scenario that you could have. I read it. It was the year 2007 Michigan State lost in North Carolina in basketball, the second round of the tournament at Lars Joel in Winston-Salem. I went in that Michigan State locker room and then boys just bombed out. It was just that thousand yards stair type situation. What do you do? This is a game, and as I recall in that game, it was close all the way until the last two minutes of the race, Ontario hit like three threes in the last two minutes. It was bananas. But they thought they had a chance and then they were done. Okay. Now let's talk about this in the context of the Buffalo Bills. No, they did not win their division, but they had just been consistently getting knocked out of the playoffs by quarterbacks who most of us believe, well, Patrick Mahomes will be in the Hall of Fame. And I think that most of us believe that Joe Burrow is on a Hall of Fame track. That's the direction it goes in. This time though, there's no question that Josh Adam was the guy in the AFC, right? He was the that dude. This was his chance. His nemesis had clearly been Mahomes. Mahomes was not there. Burrow not there. This is for you. It is you on one side. It is bonics on the other. This was the opportunity. And they lost. And I cannot think of a time that I have seen a quarterback of a team at the podium after a game sobbing in the way that Josh Allen was not crying sobbing. This is not an exaggeration. There was literal sobbing tears running down his face. Eyes puffy. He was done for you. You just see Dion Dawkins in the locker room. Like these guys, this may be over for them as franchise. Not mean not like the Buffalo Bills will never win a game again, right? But for this run and what it's been, I can't. I'm reluctant like, okay, so I'm somewhat reluctant to say that they cannot overcome what this was. However, the only reason I'm reluctant to say it is I'm not I've never seen anything like this. Like if any of you can think of a time that you've seen a team look this battered and this they didn't feel like this after the 13 second game. No. And that game they were way closer to having won than this one, right? But this was the have they heard everything that we've been saying Ryan, the if not now then win sort of situation. And I guess it didn't feel that way then, right? Is it that it feels this way now that it's year eight for Josh Allen? It's year nine for McDermott. Is it that everybody looked around and just sent to themselves? Damn, I guess we just not going to do this. Yeah, I mean, I think the only top to me is almost maybe the L way Broncos, you know, losing three FC champion chip games. Yeah, but they were super balls. But then they came back and they essentially had to retool the roster, including getting rid of the coach. Yeah, yeah, it was had two coaching changes because Wade Phillips had had had to stop in between, but you're right. Those were the teams in the in the in the new Broncos uniforms. That was a completely different situation than the ones, but like the only real common thread there was John L way. Yes, right. And I think that might be the situation if the bills ever get over the home. Yeah, and I will also say those years in between, they were down like those were not they they weren't they were not a continuation of what it was. Those were down years. But I don't recall John L way being broken. Like I don't remember Dan Reeves. They got Dan Reeves out of there because John L way couldn't stand them anymore. But I just don't remember any them them feeling so broken down and defeated. And I'm not saying this as a judgment of these guys for filling that way. I'm just trying to figure out how it is that you get back up off the ground after that. Like I think about how many times we see a team that loses a super bowl. And then they can't turn it back around like it's so hard for them to get back up off the ground after this. This team look more devastated than any team that I had seen lose the super bowl. So I don't know where they go from here. Like that is it's it's it feels unfair to immediately start looking to the future about them except what I saw there was so unprecedented. But if you want to talk about the present with them, we can talk about the press. Okay. And I'm sorry for you guys. Denver Broncos. We got a lot more time to talk about y'all a little bit later. And to be honest, I really don't know what to say about y'all. Y'all got Jared still. He's going to be playing quarterback. I don't I don't I'm going to need a little bit more time to figure out what to do about you guys. Okay. But hey, hey, both John's care. Don't nobody else care. Don't you think I don't you think I might hear ignoring you right now? Round shot. Make sure I show you the proper respect. Now we had this thing happen, right? We put out video on social media. And as many of you guys know, I've talked about it all here. Talked about it. We're Ryan. I love people that way. But you know, just generally speaking, I hate social media production, right? Like it's you know, the game is kind of sort of we get out here and we. Y'all getting mad at me. That really like gets what they cut. What's the word Ryan engagement? They yes engagement. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, it gets stuff gets y'all engaged. And so we have put out a video where I made the point that if you Josh Allen, you can't lose a game to Bo Nicks. Now in the video and on the podcast, I very clearly say I know that quarterbacks don't play against each other, but it sure does feel that way, right? You lazy motherfuckers. It's amazing. Y'all don't want to read and you can't even click a button for 45 seconds to get to the end of it, right? Y'all was all my ass boy. All over it. All this is stupid. Take he think he's so much smarter than everybody else, but he think quarterbacks play against each other. Now those of you who listed in this show and Ryan, I bet you have noticed this about me. I am very careful about that. Yes. I like I understand that that's not really how it works, except sometimes it kind of is in application. Yes. Okay. They just because they just because they're not guarding each other does it get down a match up on the quarterbacks? Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason why we put those graphics up. You know what it's kind of like it's kind of like a game of horse. Yes. Right? When you're playing against somebody and horse, you're not really playing like I make a shot. You make a shot. I'm just a shot. Like maybe that's the way that we should look at this golf sand deal. Very, very similar sort of situation. Now of course the difference is in golf, everybody's playing against the same course. Yes. You know, and maybe that's kind of sort of the thing in horse. It's not the exact thing, but sometimes somebody throw the ball off the ground off the glass and it go in and you got to do the exact same thing, right? Like sometimes this is when it comes down to bottom line is we'll phrase it differently to make you feel better. If you are the quarterback of the Buffalo builds and Bo Nix is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos, your team needs to win that game. No matter what the surrounding circumstances are. Now, if Bo Nix comes out there and Bo Nix throws for 400 yards on 30 of 40 passing. Hey, man, all you can do going back to the Nick Folls example. Nick Folls outplayed Tom Brady and the Super Bowl. No gets it Tom Brady. That's right. That's right. Sometimes it's your day. Yeah, sometimes it's your day. You tip your cap and you give that person credit, all right. But if Bo Nix just kind of sort of has a day at the office and you turn the ball over four times, including a I hate so much the Dominique is not on this week because he had one of them turnovers that was reminiscent of that game in Houston when he was out there throwing bombs to square bodies at the end of the game. And this was at the end of the first half where he got out there and he decided to run and that old Josh came out of him and he gave the ball up. And quite honestly, that's the margin of the game right there. Okay. I generally try to avoid that idea because everything every play in a game is a function of the score. So if you change the score, you change a lot of actions, activities or whatever it is. But on that one right there, now, man, I think that that that was it, right? You kind of swung the game right there. If you're a Josh Allen, there is no way. I don't care who you are. I don't care what quarterback you are for turnovers. It's on you for turnovers. And you're the guy that Josh Allen is who we say he is. It is on you. There's no way around that. And the thing that I applaud Josh Allen for is Josh Allen got that right? He got up at the microphone and he said, I let everybody down basically. Okay. Now you have to worry often worry about guys who do that. Generally, you know, because like there's a main character syndrome situation that often comes up when you know, the guys are the ones to do that and people like you know, so the rest of us ain't here like those things that come up. But no, no, no, that was a due taking accountability, right? And to me, the most endearing thing about Josh Allen is that he is accountable. At every turn in this, he is proven to be accountable. And every turn, like I need to get better at this. I'm going to going to go get better at this. It is abundantly clear why everybody that is in any proximity of him loves him because he is that guy. And to me, I see no quality that you can have in a lot of work like he has that is more important than being accountable, right? And I would think we need to applaud him for being accountable. And what I can't understand for the life of me is why so many of you won't let him do it. I have been talking about this for a very long time. It is the collective desire of people in my business to see Josh Allen do well. It is not simply that they are observing him or think he's good or trying to uphold predictions. For reasons that I got guesses about it's this rooting, it's this oh man, it hurts so bad for Josh Allen. Josh didn't get to touch the ball and over time. So we need to change the rules so that Josh has a chance to get the ball and over time because Patrick got the ball and over time. Right. It's those things. Josh hasn't won an MVP. So he wasn't first team all pro, but we'll go ahead and give him one of these. Okay. What? We keep seeing this happen. And you got to stop, right? It is ridiculous and it is largely unprofessional. But the thing that I think makes it so interesting is I don't know. Do you guys not realize that you're doing this? Like can you honestly not see the huge difference in the way that people treat it when Josh Allen comes up short? Right. And again, I understand why you might want it for him. But four turnovers. This was on him, right? There's what none the refs for that, uh, when the interception that could have been a catch, oh, whatever. And I'm going to, this is my take on that. All right. Could have gone either way. I thought that it was an interception. I never thought that Brandon Cook's had control in a way to make it a catch. And this is the biggest thing for me when I see examples of simultaneous possession in my mind at least, it always feels like the defense in order to get a hold of it has to like wrestle the ball away. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, I don't know if it looked this way to you, but it looked like he was just like, let me get that right. Yeah. I mean, they were like, it almost caught it and then he rolled and he came up with it. Right. Right. It wasn't. But you know what I'm talking about, right? Like, those guys getting locked up. Yeah. They read. Yeah. There's like this tugging sort of situation. I didn't see any tugging that was going on there. He just got it. He rolled over and he had to ball. But you know, part of why I went that way because it was a little bit on the throw. Yeah. Right. Like, he, this was the chance. There's the third and 10 driving right before they came to feel go wide open, missus him. Yes. And like, walking forward touchdown. Yeah. And that's, that's the, that's the margins of being, I know, a great right where season quarterback and one of the all-time greats. It's a, it's a, it's a thin margin like, but he's nearly 30. Yeah. That's that's the thing that's wild. It's not over, right? Like, it's not like he'll never get it done. But he's not, he didn't, he is past the age of being treated with any sort of kid gloves. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. He's, he's got an MVP. Yeah. Right. And it's not like Lamar Jackson, what an MVP. I like 22. Yes. You don't like, he's got an MVP. He's been to championship games. All of his peers except for Lamar have been to a Super Bowl. But guess what? Lamar been just as far as he has been. And we have, we have given Lamar his hell for this year, right? But this is the thing that gets me about it in terms of how we deal with Alan as a related specifically to this season. Um, most of us would say that the top two guys for the MVP this year are Matthew Stafford and Drakemate. So that is to say, in a year, repaching my homes, not only did he not play well, he also wound up getting hurt. In a year where Lamar Jackson was hurt for most of the year, in a year where Joe Burrow was hurt for most of the year. Josh Allen was not even the second best quarterback in the league. Do I think that Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the NFL? Yes. Or at the very least the third. Like I think with he and Lamar, I still have that is being very, very, very close. All right. But two guys were better than him this year. And that doesn't mean that they are necessarily better players. Like, do I think Drakemate is a better player than Josh Allen? Maybe not, but you probably was a better player this year. You know what I mean? Like it's a distinction that I do think has a difference. Okay. But he was still another. This is Josh Allen's time. He was the MVP last year. Other guys played better than him. Then you come into a playoff game where Brian is safe to say. Bo Nick's outplayed him. Yeah, I mean, turned the ball four times. Right. And I say, Bo Nick's when he turned it over twice, right? Yes. Okay. I mean, again, not the greatest game, but Bo Nick's outplayed him. Right? He did not play better than the rest of the quarterbacks in the regular season. He was not better than his adversary in this game. This year for Josh Allen, all this weeper for Josh Allen, this was his chance. Right. On multiple levels and he didn't do it. Right. And I'm not saying to this, means something like fundamental about his character, fundamental about his potential. Any of this, but the bottom line is it didn't get done because he didn't do it. And you know who seems to believe that and understand that? Josh Allen. So why won't so many of you allow him to be the standup, respectable sort of person that we typically admire. Right. Let him be that. Be honest about it. You don't have to kick him while he's down. You don't have to pile on. But God damn, you do not have to lie. Stop lying. All right. We got ourselves another good one to wrap up. These have been great playoffs. Like the NFL playoffs are a little hit or miss in terms of like what it is that you're actually going to get. These have been really good so far, even though I don't think any of the teams are really good. These however, have been really good. And look, the finish of that game is this can't be the candle Williams experience for like 15 years because people are going to have heart attacks. Right. It can be what this is while he is young. And it starts off a little slow. You don't know what's going on. He was this another game of like kind of sort of 50% completion, right? Like right around in that zone. Three interceptions. Obviously, that's bad news. Mrs. terrible. Mrs. Easy layups down the stretch. Yes. But and I don't think we need to walk through the entire game. That touched our past. I can't believe that was real. Um, can I be a prisoner or a moment for the second? Feel free. That might be the best throwout I've ever seen. It's up there. It's I mean, if you do the math on it, right? The circumstances. And I mean, the macro circumstances of the game, fourth in the season, right? Throw in the weather as part of it. Throw in the fact that all the Rams, Merlin Olson, Deacon Jones, they was both back there chasing him around. And it's not that he just like, or maybe it was just the old Hail Mary. He seemed to put that on the dot. He he's going backwards from the 41. He is his back foot. So the 41 is the 41. Yes. And he's a leaning backwards and throws into the back corner of the end zone. On the dot. On the dot. It looked like the video game settings were too easy. Well, it looked like he was going to hear about this all off season. Yes. Like the set of circumstances that led to that happening is insane. Right? You did something wrong to get us to this place. But then to be able to say, no, it's cool. And then make the throw the catches there. And he's been doing this. I don't know if you read Seth Wickers' book, but Caleb Williams is very heavily featured in that. And this goes back to his high school base in Merlin. It's like they get down 28 nothing. They went 43 to 42. Well, did you watch his college coming out party in 2021? The Texas Oklahoma game. Yes. We're going to be a big Spencer Rattler. And then just next thing, you know, it's like, who is this? He's pulling the ball from the running back to convert four downs and nuts. It was also him firmly believing that he was the best player in the country while onto the oak as a true freshman and having a case. Yes. Right? But the NFL, I mean, he has not been the best quarterback of his draft class. His first year, I think we would agree. He was third right behind Jane Daniels and Drake May. And this year, who is second? This year, yeah, this year, he was second. Daniels was largely hurt. But he's one of these things. He's one of these cases where he's been a great fourth quarter quarterback, but I want a great third quarter quarterback. I think we've talked about this on the show. I want somebody who just hands it off in the fourth quarter. This is what fucking guy to get out here and make magic happen. It's like every single time. It's like one of the great analytics to have meant was, you know, it's better than third down conversions. Second down versus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big thing. Man, it's a big thing. And he just drops back and it spreads out. And then he's just kind of like, okay, we'll figure this out in large part because I cannot believe that somebody his size has that arm. Right. Somebody coming in at around six, one and a half, six, two. Right. Although I guess he's like Park has talked about this last week, right? Like he is built like a house. Like he's got it. But do you think Dan Campbell would have gone for two under those circumstances? And I asked that because big brain bin is like clearly descended from that go for fourth down school of Campbell. And I was thinking to myself, if America's team, the Detroit lines were in that circumstance, would I want them to go for two? And I think I reached the point where I say yes, a big part of why I say yes is I'm ready to go home. Like I'm not over time overrated. Not really that big fan of the whole cussup. Let's just we can get out of here right now. Let's go ahead and get out of here. But the problem, Ryan, I think is what we're just talking about. It's one thing for Williams to do this with a little more space to operate. But a guy that is that is being good to miss some layoffs. Do you want to put it in his hands in that condensed space? Right. Like Ben Johnson has demonstrated himself to be a lot of things. He ain't scared. And he decided that we needed to go ahead and kick and play this. I think if you know, like a normal fourth down play, like if you were, but it you forget how fast it is. Like oh, we just threw the we threw the greatest pass ever. And now we've got to get an operation in 40 seconds. All right. So let's try this. Yeah. Okay. I don't know the best word to use under these circumstances. But if I were one of these people listening to this show, I am going to use the word that they would use even though they are speaking to a concept that I don't believe exists. Okay. Okay. I was curious what word you're using. Now I get one. So they're about to think that they just got a bunch of. Yeah. There are many people who would. Yeah. There are many people who will believe that in that moment that they would have something that they would refer to as momentum under those circumstances, right? That you have just hit them with a swift kick into go nads. And now maybe we just hurry up and we line up and they won't have it. Now what it is more likely to be your guys are riding some confidence right now. And you're thinking that their guys might be a little bit days, right? When they a little bit wobbly. You know, there's nobody ever causing momentum in boxing. Yeah. Okay. Think of it like boxing, right? They're low wobbly over there, right? You put them down. They're getting back up. You could go right in on a straight line and give it to them. Or you could say nope. Let's dance a little bit more. Yeah. And maybe that was the time to just come in there and hit them with the ham. Maybe that was it. But it could go either way, right? In the end, the guy that we're giving all this credit to went out there and threw a pick. Yeah. Now that was the one like going to a DJ more where it's a question to ask whether or not the quarterback in the receiver on the same page. Yeah, it didn't it didn't look like they were. And by the way, if that's the case, that's kind of sort of a quarterback thing too, right? Like you know, you job to get everybody on the same program. However, it happens to go. But the other side, the envy, the presumptive MVP. By the way, both presumptive MVP guys. I'm going to talk about the other one, you know, but didn't play that well. No. Right? Stafford did not complete 50% of his passes. And as I say about Stafford all the time, he's going to give you a chance. And he gave their word chances to get the ball back around. There were two fumbles. There were also at least one or two of those. Whereas like, oh, you guys could have picked that off. I imagine though, it's really hard to intercept Matthew Stafford. If you don't see it coming, I think some of that is also with Josh Allen who always give you a chance. They talked about all of them games in a row. Josh Allen hadn't had a turnover before he got them all in one game. I'm like, I don't see how. Yeah, that feels, um, that feels like, you know, result rather than process. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But here's here's think about it. I'm going to spying me. My brother talk about this. My brother's got a buddy. He Richardson, Eric Richardson played basketball at Alabama during the Wimpsandison days, a bug Johnson, a Bobby Lee Hart, all those guys, right? And my brother asked him about magic, because you know, he had played pickup magic, you know, stuff like that. And how it was that nobody ever took magic's dribble magic six nine magic. You have no boom boom boom, no cross game or whatever. No magic is dribbling that ball high. Right. Two eyes. Yes. How did nobody ever take the ball away from magic? They told him magic dribble that ball hard is here. Right? Like magic. Bow, bow. Can you imagine how hard magic jobs? It's like, it's one of those things you just don't think about. It tells someone pointed out. Yeah. Case in point. It's not exactly the same but somewhat similar. I told you guys before I went to Iceland in 2024. I went snowmobiling on a glacier right? If I have not sent you the pictures of it, I will. It was not really really incredible experience, right? But fell off the snowmobile a couple of times to this day, dog. Oh, this day. It's in my shoulder. But that summer, okay, that trip was in February just so we're clear. Yeah. So late May, I start coming back around, right? I mean, Atlanta, I'm at a Turner. We're doing the Altcast, but where's the conference finals? And I mean, Brandon Haywood. First time I'd seen Brandon Haywood. Brandon Haywood. For those of you who don't know, 7 feet tall, played the center in North Carolina, playing the NBA for a very long time. Brandon Haywood, I don't know if he was happy to meet me or whatever, but he gave me a level of depth that set my shit back like three months. Just talking about it. You got the hard dribble to your hands. Oh my God. Straight up and down. It was, oh, man. And it wasn't like the, like the I shook Adrian Peter's hand situation. He dared to pop my arm out of joint just by just by showing love. Right? Now a magic, magic, Johnson, like you try to stick your hand in there and take the ball from magic. Yeah. Walk out of that band boy. Like you like, like when you see some, I figured you'd pop that joint. It's like it's your shoulder. And maybe that's what happens when you don't realize that that Matthew Stafford pass is coming for you. And you just can't get a whole, like, y'all made it hurt. He burnt me. Like that thing was spinning. Like you may be able to hear that joint in the air. That's the only way that I figured it can't say picking these passes. Speaking of, you know, Stafford, a lot of pressure with the four quarterbacks left in tournament are Sam Darnelld. Yes. Jared stood him. Yes. And, you know, you know, you're 15 years older than. Yes. Yes. Now this is, I'mma just say this right now. Derams don't win the Superbowl. Ain't no, we came shut this Hall of Fame thing up if they don't win. He did new Josh Allen. Right. Like, like Josh Allen had to, I mean, right. He was dealing with that. Now it's the least scrutinized number one overall pick in the history of number one overall pick quarterbacks. It's him. This is your time. You have the best two receivers, one two in the lead where one guy led the league and catches in yards. And the other one led the league and touchdowns. And talk about sure fire hall famers. Did the Valleys Adams? Yes. Yeah. And it's one of those that you didn't really think about it and then it happened. Right. Right. Like, he is, you know, Antonio Browne's Hall of Fame case is about to start. And that's going to get one one. That's going to be a foaming. The Devote Adams case. And by the way, it's a no brainer on just football stuff. It's just a matter of whether they decide they don't want to let him in. But the Devote Adams case is very, very similar. Yes. Like when you get in there and look at it, I think the Devote Adams case is maybe a little more similar than Julio Jones, who I think we'll get in. But you and I have talked about this. And maybe we might want to, this is actually a fun episode. I'll talk about this in front of people that we may be able to have of Super Bowl week, which is going through that Hall of Fame ballot. Yeah. Like it lets you know, is some dues that ain't never getting in. Yeah. That you've been trying to not you, but you know, been trying to put in forever. Yes. I'm talking about Jason Witt. But anyway, this will come up with Stafford also. By the way, but they, I think most of us would agree. And I guess you can make a case for Peyton, maybe. What do they make? Vays the best coach that we've got left in this. I mean, we got a pretty good coaching situation. Right. You know, with all these guys, especially two offense, two defense. Yes. Yes. Like I think we got a thing we got a pretty good, you know, set up there. But we're going to see what happens. I mean, look, it's going to be third time of the charm over there in the NFC. Right. We're going to we're going to get a look at what goes on over there. But the future of the Bears is going to be very interesting with exactly how you deal with what the future of Caleb Williams should be. And what is next year going to look like with him. Because we're all now going to expect a leap. And I think that he made a leap this year. Because I mean, I think going from 60 something sacks to 20 something sacks that by itself. I don't want to compare it to some other Chicago athlete who had a down first year and then had a great first, you know, great first moment in the playoffs. Yeah. A season where people start comparing them to God. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's been a long time. That's the way that that hole is there for Chicago fans. Yeah. I will just say this though. I think this is important. You got to get over seven yards of completion. Yes. Like you can throw me all the advanced statistics all you want or whatever this. And I think that if this is completely more than 60 player passes. And that's what it comes down to is that, right? Like I think efficiency is overrated in the way that we view football. But I also do think it is important. I think the ability to make big plays is more important. Like I'd rather have someone of the Caleb Williams archetype than the Alex Smith archetype. Right. Right. I think the. But that's how you become Drew breeze. Yes. That's true. Yeah. Drew breeze is a different animal. Right. Like it was just there's been one of those. If your thing is I think he's the next Drew breeze. Move on to somebody else. Yeah. Like you're just asking for too much. But they need they're going to need him to make a jump and a big part of why is it seems very clear to me. No matter what the system is that you build around him, the system is going to be Caleb Williams. Right. Like that. That's what this looks like. The system is going to be our guy can do unreal things. And we're going to put him in a position to do unreal things. And that's what it got. That's what happened in the end. But hey, man, that's a that's a that's a that's a high low life, right. That's a that's an up and down life. That's the EKG life. But it made for a season that I think these bears fans will remember up until next year when they're going to want to go to the Super Bowl. Every Friday from six to seven thirty, it's NBA happy hour on fan dual your pregame for the weekend. We're talking limited time specials you won't want to miss boost bonuses surprises all dropping in the app during happy hour. So before tip off, check the fan dual app to see the week special. Then make your move before the shot clock expires at 730 Eastern. It's the perfect way to start your weekend. 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Idol money lies in your current account picking crumbs out of its belly button wondering should I eat them but when you start investing with monso your money is always busy it turns on regular investments invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares I say it even helps you make sense of risk and return. Monzo the bank that gets your money moving you could get back less than your invest monso current account required UK residence 18 plus TCC supply. All right Bo couple other games from the weekend Saturday night Seahawks below the doors off of the 49ers 41 to six magic runs out from Brock party and Kyle Shanahan what was your biggest takeaway from this game. Hey guys um I understand the 49ers are really low on bodies right I get that but God bless anybody that has to try to score points against um Seattle. Like that's the you want to score some points against Seattle you're going to need to intercept Sam Darnold and take him back to the castle that's what it's going to take and it it feels like they be hitting hard to like that mean it was like San Francisco other nasty yeah yeah like I thought San Francisco is a great story this year and they gave it everything they had I don't know what team you could have put into that situation like that's the first time and how many years they had fans in that loud ass stadium they were actually able to run the ball which is something they had not been able to do you know like all of those things but it didn't matter what Sam Darnold was in that game right now torn oblique right now I mean look that's a trick back right but can you can you get to the Super Bowl without it mattering what your quarterback does I've seen it happen before once and that was maybe the greatest defense that I've ever seen and that was in the year 2000 right where the other teams quarterback in the Super Bowl was Kerry Collins I don't know guys I don't know all right so let's move on to the AFC the Patriots beat the Texans C.J. Stroud Stroud might have played a complete 24 20 if it's 47 passes four first half interceptions Bowel is your take bow you were tweeting about the Pierre man this game yo okay so look they lost that game to the to the to the Steelers and you and I were both struck at how bad he looked yes I mean that game was seven six going to the fourth quarter and it was it's not just how bad he looked it was written all over his face right like he was he was shook about that but they managed to get it done because the Texans boy they got some bullies over there on the other side of this he threw four interceptions in the first half against the Patriots and I was like he looked like the Peter band all he had to do was come out the next half and throw one more we was taught by Davis Mills you got to get him off the yoke and that was not simply because Stroud was playing poorly it's because it was written all over his face it was clear that he was totally consumed by this game by this moment I don't know what's going on he looked was one of the best rookie quarterbacks that we have ever seen apparently it's been cheeks ever since then and now look after year three that's when teams start talking about signing these extensions okay he's got Mulgetta representing him and he's still got the leverage because it's going to be hard to go find another quarterback but Texas can't break the bake on this man like if this if this is what it's been looking like and it appears that this is what it's been looking like they have age I could not believe how Betty looks let me tell you who didn't look good in that game Drake mate all right the Texans were in this game into the fourth quarter like and but the thought was the Texans are going to need to like turn around interception or fumble or something like that to get it done but it was on the board because of how may was playing and how that defense was playing what was it four minutes left the Texans are down by 12 and they put it the ball and I've seen people take more time out left yeah people take that as Dmitco gave up on the game no sir I think Dmitco concluded they had a better chance of scoring a touchdown on defense than they did scoring a touchdown on offense like that's where they I am shot by how bad their quarterback was in that game like it I can't think of a time has been a playoff game and people have really been like yo y'all need to go to the bench the bench for Davis Mills the for Davis Mills and like you know we talk a lot about quarter blacks and blackups but we was asking for Davis Mills too and I'm generally a little skeptical of last name last name cats you know what I'm saying like you need to go gain you 20 pounds and play tight in then we might throw you to ball Josh Allen he got a whole team full of full of last name last name cats was it Dawson Knox I don't think he can do it can K whoo boy I guess look at that CS suck a suit you know it's all right there um but man they they I don't know to say about the Patriots either because they I don't think they played well they played against one of the worst quarter backing performances that I have ever seen at that level but he's like okay I'm not saying he's like Jalen hurts because everything Jalen hurts is better than him it seems but Jalen doesn't come out there looking doesn't look shook no no but the same way that we have all our criticisms about Jalen hurts and then you say comma but he outplayed Patrick Mahulles twice in the Super Bowl Texas of one of playoff game three straight years with this guy three straight years but they heavy they got to figure something out and they got to figure it out because they fired the offensive coordinator last year because they thought it was his fault what if it was all right both today is Martin Luther King day 40th anniversary of America recognized him this holiday you wanted to give some thoughts about Martin Luther King all right so I want to say one thing right fast about the holiday and I think that this is important I told this story here before um my buddy Joel see my buddy Joel you hear that anyway we were both at the National Association of Black Journalists Annual Convention in 2005 in Atlanta and Jesse Jackson was there and I'll always remember it because Jesse Jackson was doing something that was very much I feel like on brand for a man of Jesse Jackson's age and statue at that time I saw him talking on his cell phone on a hands-free kit and a hands-free kit the one from back in the day where you put the earpiece in and then the cord went down and plugged into the phone right well like if you ain't nobody had it in you thought they was talking to themselves anyway he was there because the Voting Rights Act was up for renewal and he wanted to make sure that there was um you know an understanding of what was going on and awareness of the issue and you know this is 2005 you know Jesse isn't quite as relevant as he was then and it felt um to a degree like you know it felt a little alarmist I think I've seen Joel use that word to describe it it felt a little bit alarmist and when the vote came up for the Voting Rights Act that time I want to say it passed unanimously um through the Senate as you guys know it ain't no Voting Rights Act no more you know at least not in any way that actually factually matters I had thought that that was a say settled matter um clearly it was not um keep that in mind with this holiday it ain't got to be one forever you know they just got that June 10th one there good luck keeping that one on the books like none of this is I'm none of this is a obligatory none of this is required don't lose sight of that because you may have to we might have to snap into action to keep it if it comes down to it um now King himself I used to annually do like more of a thing and I would pick a passage of for something that King get written and to speak on it and you know the biggest thing for me with King always and I've talked about this many times is I believe that Martin Luther King is the finest man that this country has produced a man good in such a way that I don't think that this country deserved him in a number of ways and the biggest thing that I say about King that I think is very important and I speak to you know what he is or was is that no one has ever spoken with greater moral clarity and my greatest frustration with people who misappropriate his words or you know as this day goes on and people go and find the most benign quotes of his that they possibly can to put him out there you know um you know don't worry be happy Martin Luther King right you know that kind of stuff um you have to do it on purpose it's the only way you can accidentally get it wrong it's not possible you know what was right and what was not it wasn't just like expressed in slogan it was always broken down because think about King that we also don't talk nearly enough about is he's really really really smart right like the the the logic on his stuff like if you were doing it with arrows like A implies B B implies C. All that stuff the lines are always so clear they're so little noise that surrounds it at every turn right like it's so clear so it's always there it's so resonant and it makes you stop and realize and this is part of why King was so effective like do you realize how like bad of a person you had to be to disagree with the things that he was talking about like how fundamentally rotten that you had to be that's the only reason that like this holiday ever got passed or anything else is that it's like ain't no leaking that ship man it's not there it's not and so with that in mind I encourage you to go find anything the King is written chaos our community is the one that I typically recommend that people go to and understand man he at every turn was confronting the problem of race and how he got there squarely right there weren't there were no punches pulled and we're no dirty punches either but there were no punches pull he was always so straight ahead at this and the greatness of King to me was another thing that was a settled matter but we know that it is not and we're going to have Howard Bryan on tomorrow to talk about his book that he wrote about Jackie Robinson and Paul Robison and they may Paul Robison disappear like full-on disappear like he like he never happened like it didn't like perhaps the most famous black man in the world in the 1940s by the time he was dead in the 1970s it's like he was never there like the memories that these people can be made to evaporate very quickly without a conscientious effort to keep them alive now something that I think is important when I make that point is this and this is for everybody though it has a particular I think it has a special some of a special a particular meaning for black people they can change what they teach in schools they can change the points that they use to decide is like some larger form of education they cannot change what we teach each other they cannot change what we preach on our own time they can't do it everything I ever learned about black people I learned for black people it was never with any sort of expectation that I was going to learn this in school but it wasn't it right and we have to keep that in mind more and more and remember that at some point it looks as though it is possible that we are going to have to teach each other again about Martin Luther King and if we have to teach each other about Martin Luther King I think it becomes imperative for a lot of us that we actually learn about Martin Luther King because a lot of us depended on other people to give us that information now man information is out there go out there get it be inspired be blown away by what you read but don't be sitting around waiting we got to do what we got to do is what I'm saying let's make sure we do it all right bow got some boys meals come on thank goodness for the white goodness nice hard transition here's the first one hey what's up both first time call a long time listen and men this is Courtney college in Georgia I have a question for you man I know they're like during the 90s man like y'all shoe games were so like cold I mean y'all had to air match y'all had to cross trainers y'all know y'all had to come a cause to show our camps to Alamed Miles and the pennies it's like man all y'all shoes were so cold so I just want to know like where did we lose the ruffian people like why did the shoe game not not just saying it says why they like how it used to be what shoes are so cold I appreciate it you know y'all got lower standards if I'm a keeper real right cool it's a generational situation okay okay the generation you kids yeah yes yes but this is a thing I think it's not just shoes it's everything else we now have such a vast repertoire of past things to draw from that you know people like and you know things work retroactively or whatever but across the board everybody's like why would I come up with something new but it's some oh shit that'll be that'll be cracking right I think that's a gigantic part of a lot of these things like I always say about music why y'all still listening to rap and I mean that in the sense of these young people should have come up with something that blew rap off to board like there should have been a paradigmatic shift but instead everything just keeps drawing on what has already been here right it's the point has been made that having everything be so accessible just flattened all this stuff out in their regard but you right man like the heat that we was wearing when I was in high school is still kicking the ass of what they put now for y'all to wear right now that's a terrible break for you youngsters it really is but you know what if I was you I would be trying to get light me too all right here's our next one this is side first time long time calling in from Virginia you kind of sparked my interest to call on when you were talking about Austin River's agent Reggie so I am the offspring of a white Reggie and as you can imagine most of my mom's friends when she told them to date a Reggie just made the assumption the black guy on top of it his middle name yes it is Avon so it's ready Reggie on Avon so he's got a lot more conform there and then on top of that my dad grew up in the rural south around integration and he was integrated into a school that was primarily from really black so he was playing basketball and he was the only white guy in his team and they would go into plenty of gyms where you know their face and off against pretty much all white teams and it always would crack me up kind of sink in oh as they're doing the start and line-ups oh here comes Reginald off the bench and I yes that was always a little bit of music to think about too that some of the some of the head scratch that might be going on there yeah I love the show thanks have a good one I just need to know and I appreciate that call greatly more than you know how do like what was the tipping point before white people was like fine y'all got it Reginald is yours right it's like for example the name Tyrone Steven Tyrone Colbert did you know that I know that but I mean to you Farrah I know that because of you you know what point because you know in Ireland they got lots of Tyrone and with some point over here they was just like when you lose somebody a shirt and they stretch it out right y'all y'all got it like I said a lot on game theory was a sick basketball was like the name Tyrone after a while white folks just said fine y'all can have it well he wanted back no more right for a moment I thought I got food bad somebody sent me something and Austin said the austerees agent Reggie was white Reggie I almost fell for it I looked it up now he's he's he's Reggie he's just he's just a regular Reggie um Bernard I feel like is a name that is some point we got but like sometimes after sometime after Bernie Sanders you know what I'm saying but he's but he's never Bernard he is the right he is Bernie right that is the that is an interesting thing though but yeah Brooklyn Dodgers fan Bernie Sanders yet that's a great point that is it that says a lot about the silent generations own Bernie Sanders he's like boomers yeah I hate I hate yeah we had good shoes in my day all right here's our last one speaking of white Reggie hey Bo this is Triad from Alcoa Tennessee just south of Knoxville you know I mean okay I can confirm that there's three white Reggie in my area right now I know there are few and far between I've not seen few but they three here now one's a transplant from Mississippi so well the one I ain't found though that I've talked to with the homies is I vote I know a gang of Washington's but they're in a pale face among I've seen a million people play Washington play sports not a pale face among them so if you ever find the white one white dude with the last name washed and let me know and I'll let you know have a good one Bo hey man I don't know you but I love your brother pegaday I feel like I just talked to Bizarre O Mike yes they have a good one I was like we're talking to Mike I appreciate it but so I've heard people mention this that all those Washington Jefferson like they became presidents and then suddenly there were no white people they had these names why Washington very famous we didn't have it kids I did not know that until you said it no kids interesting but he's right about that all these stalwart white people names they none of them left yeah but we out here we out here I love also that like word has drifted through the town of the presence of the white Reggie's like voting the transplant Reggie right like like Bigfoot yes you know I was I just so you know if you hear about no no no no still us we're still good they still there has not been some sort of giant change but yes this was the white Reggie episode of this show I and I ain't gonna lie I appreciate how you're marlin with a king guy yes yes yes we bring it a world together hey look I'm just glad to be reminded that I still got that demo in the audience you know what I'm saying and I'm like when I was in North Carolina I heard from them all the time we had to follow you know call and I don't hear from as much these days man so shout out to all y'all for hollowness you boy but ladies and gentlemen thanks so much for joining us here on the right time we do this four times a week Ryan Brumley handing everything behind the scenes thank you sir remember hit the voicemail line 3 2 3 5 9 6 7 7 6 7 remember follow the right time subscribe like rate us review us give us five stars you'll be give us four stars I'm inclined to believe you're a hater what's out to you guys in a couple of days take it easy