Was Sheriff Lying or Clueless as Feds & Mystery SUVs Swarmed Nancy Guthrie’s House?

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But thank you so much for your subscription. Thank you for your support. I do appreciate it. This was a hell of a day. Out in front of Nancy Guthrie's home, there was more activity than they have seen combined for a week. And I remind you, we are into week four. We are well into week four of this investigation and still no sign of Nancy, no word about a suspect that they know of. They've seen him. No word of a suspect car. So today, when all of a sudden, several unmarked white vehicles rolled up on Nancy's driveway, I described them as unmarked white pickup trucks. One of them actually with a hard shell type enclosure on the back, the kind that, you know, CSI investigators typically use. But again, no markings on it. Those vehicles rolled up onto her driveway. At least one person, according to Brian Enten, got out and walked around the back of the house. then uh several suvs black suvs about a half hour later rolled up on the property as well uh it was like a convoy it was described as a convoy of black suvs and in the middle was one that had darkened out windows um several people got out of those suvs wearing blue suits with white shirts they look like fbi agents but nobody knew if they were or if they weren't. There were no insignia anywhere. Some people guessed, are they FBI? Are they attorneys? Turns out a lot of that's true. I'm going to tell you exactly who these people all ended up being, because it took the whole day to get confirmation on who they were. They were from multi-different agencies, multiple different agencies. But in the middle of the convoy was one SUV with blacked out windows, and it turned into Nancy Guthrie's garage. Garage door went up, vehicle went in, garage door went down. It was in there for about an hour before garage door went back up. SUV came out and made a very quick exit. So a lot of people are guessing, well, who would that have been? Nobody could see for sure and no one's confirming who it was for sure. It more than likely could have been a family member who needed the privacy. It could have been an authority who wanted privacy, didn't want the media seeing who was going into the home. I can tell you that there were multiple people in the home. Fox at one point got a picture of a guy who was standing at the window at Nancy Guthrie's front door, right where that doorbell cam had been affixed to the door frame. And he was sort of looking out the window. So multiple people were in the house. Brian Enten even saw at least one of these people. Again, no uniforms, but one of them at least had gloves, was wearing gloves, which by the way, in a moment, you will find out if that is normal for this kind of a visit, because Matt Murphy, who is a homicide prosecutor from California, has a very unique perspective on this, because in his jurisdiction, the prosecutors are on the crime scene often, that the tape is still up, often just hours after the crime. I mean, they are there with the investigators, with the detectives. And so Matt is looking at this from a different perspective through a different lens, because not every jurisdiction does that. It's very, very critical of some of the things that have gone on, as many of us have been. But you're going to hear what his perspective is on this phalanx of, you know, non-uniformed, but blue-suited, official-looking folks that have shown up, and some confirmations as well. And I will tell you what I can confirm. So Brian Enten confirmed from his sources that a Pima County homicide detective was at least among this group. Okay. This group also went into the guest house. They went in and out of the guest house on Nancy Guthrie's property, as well as in the main house as well. I'll tell you this, Fox Digital confirmed fairly quickly during the day that federal prosecutors visited Nancy Guthrie's property Wednesday to assist the FBI with a, quote, routine legal process. The United States Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona confirmed to Fox News Digital. So that was pretty, pretty key. What's also interesting is those black SUVs that arrived today, those SUVs actually came up driving the wrong way on a one-way street. And it's only a one-way street since the Pima County Sheriff's Office decided to make it a one-way street. There's just been a, you know, a flurry of reporters and activity all along that street for the last three and a half weeks. And so a couple of days ago, they changed it to a one-way. They forbade parking on one side of the street. And on this particular day, those SUVs came up the wrong way on the now new one-way street. Also, late today, there was like a big parking restriction put in place. That wouldn't be big news. But the way this happened kind of is, because there are, you know, hundreds of reporters who have been lined up along Nancy Guthrie Street, doing this reporting, many of them with live shots monitoring the activity in the neighborhood and at the house. And now they're not allowed to park anywhere along that street and a few other streets as well. Which basically means you can park your vehicle and hump all your gear and stand in the hot climate, but you cannot park. It just makes it more difficult for reporters to do their jobs. Basically, that's what this is. Many of the people who live in that community have said to the reporters, Brian Enten has said this, that he has been approached by several of the neighbors who say, look, it's a pain that you guys are all here, but we're appreciative. We like the fact that you're doing this work because it keeps the focus on this case. It keeps the tips coming in. It keeps the story alive because when you guys leave, the story leaves, the headlines go away and the tips go away. So I can just tell you from what neighbors have said on the street, sure, why wouldn't they be pissed off that there are all these reporters there? But at the same time, they've said this to those reporters. And now the sheriff's making it harder for the reporters to even be there. He's been at the brunt of a lot of their reporting, right? It has been, I mean, it's been a shit show. Let's be frank. I don't think this is a secret, you know. And he has been angry. He even said to Brian Enten, I've got questions for you, as Brian Enten walked in for his interview. So that's what happened outside the house today. And then Arizona Family, which I have explained a few times in past episodes, that is the brand name for a company that owns several television stations in the Phoenix area. And one of the reporters under the Arizona family brand, her name is Brianna Whitney. She's been doing some really good reporting. She tweeted this out today. And this is a big deal. She said, multiple people have asked me what the status is on any Guthrie's car after it was taken for processing in the case. Remember, I reported on Tuesday after the Sunday that Mrs. Guthrie disappeared that the sheriff's department, they had their focus. They were focusing on the family. and they towed Annie's car. And then a few days later, the sheriff confirmed that, saying the car was towed under a warrant and is being processed. And now Brianna Whitney is posting about, what about that car that was towed? Because, you know, you've cleared the family and, you know, spouses as well. So she's asking, you know, the sheriff's department, what about the car that you took, that you towed? And this is what she writes. I asked the Pima County Sheriff's Department today, and I just received this response, quote, all we can say at this time, Sheriff's Department, the vehicle is still part of the investigation, end quote. Again, all we can say at this time, the vehicle is still part of the investigation from the Pima County Sheriff's Department. That's kind of weird. I mean, full-throated clearing, clearing, clearing, but you towed a car under a warrant and told the reporters it was under processing, and you're not returning it and you're saying it's still under investigation. So this is not a good day for the sheriff because the Hollywood reporter came out with an interview of Heather Lappin, who was the Republican candidate who lost the Pima County sheriff's seat to Chris Nanos back in 2024. She says that he sidelined top homicide detectives who backed her in her race and is now, quote, bungling the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case. And this is the quote that she gave that outlet. This is Heather Lappin speaking, quote, he is a tyrant. He tries to be super charming, like when he did his quote at the press conference, I'm not used to people hanging on my every word and trying to hold me accountable. And then Heather Lappin continues to say he tried to put his hands on his hips because he was trying to be cute. Nobody thinks you're cute. You're a 72 year old man. Nobody thinks you're cute. Again, this is Heather Lappin saying this to the Hollywood reporter about Sheriff Nanos. She continues to say that she was the target of 13 internal affairs investigations in just six months, each of them allegedly an effort for Nanos to discredit her as a political opponent. She says Nanos also attempted to, quote, intimidate her at campaign events. She says, quote, he sent his two female captains to my campaign events to try to intimidate me. He's like a mafioso. That's what he's like, end quote. So again, scathing words from her political opponent in the 2024 race. Also, on top of that, Matt Finn from Fox News Channel brought us this. The P. McKenna Sheriff's Office says it has no pressers planned, and now it will be limiting its updates to media about the Guthrie case. These have come in the form of an email, and they do provide us with new information, Matt Finn says. But here's the quote from the Pima County Sheriff's Department. The Pima County Sheriff's Department PIO team has been distributing updates to the media on an almost daily basis. At this time, we will limit further updates to instances when new information warrants release. Weirdly, there was a lot that went on at that house today, at Nancy Guthrie's house today. But the Pima County Sheriff's Department is not commenting, not giving us a release, not giving us information. Um, and in fact, I mean, I can't believe this is true, but Matt Finn from Fox News reported early today when they were trying to figure out who was who among all these blue suits, he did say that the movement on the property includes FBI. And then he capped, you know, off the tweet today by saying the Pima County Sheriff's Department reports no activity. All I can say to that is no activity. There's a lot of activity. We are all looking at it happening live in front of us. So just another, you know, messy kind of messaging from the sheriff's department when there is clearly activity. And one of them actually, according to Brian Enten, was one of the homicide detectives from the Pima County Sheriff. Right. So this is like, I can't, it's like, we just don't go a day without some total botched messaging from the sheriff's department. Okay. Also, Matt Finn reports that the FBI says it's now received 1,500 tips since Savannah's video yesterday, offering the million dollar reward. And this neighbor, this is according to Michael Ruiz of Fox Digital, this neighbor of Nancy Guthrie's says that she saw a man who, quote, didn't fit in the community walking near Nancy Guthrie's home back in January. This is the quote. He didn't have your typical walking gear on and he had his hat pulled really far over his eyes, the neighbor told Fox Digital. She lives in the Catalina Foothills now for about 30 years. Another longtime resident of the Foothills area said that investigators came to her house a total of five times. and in particular they asked for home security video from january 11th we've talked a lot about january 11th right ever since the news broke uh not from the sheriff but from multiple media almost all the media outlets the mainstream media and digital and my sources as well said that the um the video and the photo images that show the man with the backpack and without the backpack at Nancy Guthrie's front door that was captured on doorbell camera are from different nights. Sheriff says, well, any mention of that is speculation. However, sources for almost everybody have confirmed it. So it is very interesting that the January 11th date gets a lot of traction. You know, five visits from the feds, this longtime resident of the Catalina Foothills says. maybe not the feds she said investigators it might have been locals and investigators but said specifically they asked for January 11th video as you all know the sheriff expanded it to January 1 to February 1 we're looking for your video but this person says they specifically asked for January 11th so that is just an interesting aspect to all of this so I called Matt Murphy because today was just so big and bold and I wanted to know what it meant that all these folks in blue suits are walking around the perimeter of Nancy Guthrie's house on day 25. Here's my conversation with Matt. And remember, Matt is not only a homicide prosecutor, but he has decades in the world of solving crimes and prosecuting crimes. And he literally wrote the book. It's called The Book of Murder. I encourage you to get it. It is a fascinating read. But here's my conversation with Matt Murphy. Matt, what do you make of this flurry of activity, more activity than we've seen in a week at Nancy Guthrie's home. And we're now coming, you know, towards the end of week four. Well, we're trying to read tea leaves at this point, right? We've got, you know, we're trying to interpret information. Like I saw the clips of those people walking into the house. Like those look like prosecutors to me. I guess there's some information that's come out, apparently been confirmed that the U.S. Attorney's Office did have prosecutors go to the place. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.nl. That's Shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. um actually for me you know when you prosecute homicides if you do it long enough you will inevitably have two experiences one is you will work task forces with fbi field agents and they are some of the best police officers i've ever had the honor of of working cases with and and i've i've done those high profile you know sheriff in front of the camera cases and i've done several of them. And the FBI is the best in the world at tracking down missing people. They also have investigative tools that are available to them. They can do a thing called an administrative drop warrant. As a state prosecutor, you have to get a search warrant now to get phone records, for example. The FBI can just literally get them in about two hours if you get a motivated enough agent. But it's a completely different process, a thousand times more efficient. And then, of course, you've got Quantico, which is where a lot of these DNA techniques are literally invented Arguably depending on who you talk to forensically it the best lab in the world The UK has some really good forensic scientists over there but Quantico is kind of the gold standard They not using Quantico They using a crime lab in Florida which is a big head scratcher to me. I have heard it's great though. I have heard they're amazing. The DNA International in Deerfield Beach has solved lots of cool cases. But I also just heard that there was some struggle over a DNA mixture. I think that was misreported because DNA mixtures happen all the time. I've prosecuted personally. I did a a double homicide where we had triple genetic mixtures and everything. And there's nothing unusual about that. So that, by the way, may have been the sheriff misspeaking. And I'll only say this, the lab in Florida is not talking. The sheriff is talking for everybody. And he said something like they're struggling with the mixture. And it wasn't long before the reporting came out. I think it was 24 hours. And the report came out. No, it's a partial sample, meaning they didn't get enough for a CODA sample that maybe, maybe it was part, maybe it was a mixture. Maybe that happened, but the issue was it was two different things. In the forensic world, Ashley, that is night and day, apples and oranges. And, you know, when you say that the sheriff misspoke, I think, I think we have to say the sheriff misspoke again. And I guarantee in that lab, if they, if they're a properly accredited lab, the director of that lab was probably pulling his hair out or her hair out when, when they heard that they weren't struggling with a mixture because they deal with mixtures. In every sexual assault case, you have a mixture. Even the purest ones, you're going to get the epithelial cells from your victim mixed with the sperm fraction DNA of your bad guy over and over and over again. So if that is a lab that is even halfway professional, and I have no reason to doubt that they're anything but. And we've heard great things. They were losing their minds because somebody was speaking for them who clearly doesn't understand the science. Entirely possible. Let me ask you this about these people who've arrived today. Like, you're right. Fox Digital did report that they had a confirmation from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the District of Arizona that federal prosecutors visited Nancy's property to assist the FBI with a, quote, routine legal process. Is that moving the case forward from where they are? Is it possible that it's something that I just learned the term today, a clean team? Now, I don't know if you've heard that before, but I had to look it up and it means basically fresh eyes, you know, fresh eyes coming in and starting over and looking at this maybe with a new group. That brings me to the second thing you deal with if you do homicides long enough. You will, in addition to the feds being awesome on the street level, you will eventually butt heads with somebody in the U.S. attorney's office who might have an interest in your case. And I've fought wars and won them all against eager U.S. attorneys who wanted to come in and do some of the murders we were working on in Orange County. And you fight that fight. It's known as dual jurisdiction where you have a state jurisdictional venue, I guess we could say, or the state jurisdiction to prosecute a case. And there might be a dual federal thing. Like I had one big, big battle with the local guys and they were they were fine, except for this one guy that I was butting heads with. But that was like, by the way, like Luigi Mangione. Right. Not dissimilar at all. But that was one where the murder happened on a federal military base within Orange County. So we both had jurisdiction. So, look, under ninety nine point nine percent of the cases. Ashley, I got to tell you, like state prosecutors are almost always going to be the better option because they have a lot of experience in murder cases. Like almost every murder case is a state case. There are some cases that can be federal, but they're few and far between. What U.S. attorneys or federal prosecutors are very good at, they're good at RICO stuff, going after organized crime and also white collar crime, which is a huge bulk of what they do. In fact, a lot of people don't know this. They recruit FBI agents straight out of law school. I was recruited by the FBI out of law school, almost did it. And so there is when it comes to street crime, which this would be considered. This is like you're you know, in the gristle, you know, bloody murder. State prosecutors are almost always more experienced better. Now, I hope, Ashley, that these were federal prosecutors that are coming in, that they have a federal theory on how the feds can assert jurisdiction, because this has been, in my opinion here, and I want to be fair, I defend police officers now. I have a soft spot for cops. They have a very, very difficult job. I've stood on that stage before with 25 cameras in front of us, you know, as watching my elected DA or our elected sheriff try to field questions on big cases. It's a really tough job. That said, in my opinion, just my opinion, this is a clown show in Pima County. The DA should have been there from day one. If these are the first prosecutors that have been to that scene, that's shameful. When you have a case like this, it's not just about figuring out the mystery. It's about holding the person who did it accountable. And what that means is you have to prepare the prosecution long before you even get a suspect. You need and also all these times where this guy's rolling out, he's having a SWAT team go out and put handcuffs on people. If that's true, this is and I don't I have no inside knowledge other than what I've read. But that first the Uber Eats guy, apparently they cuffed him. They detained him. Look, that's really heavy handed. It looks maybe there's a good reason. And I'm prepared to be wrong. Looks performative to me by the sheriff. I did I was in the homicide unit for 17 years and I tried 133 jury trials, Ashley. I can't recall a single time that we needed a SWAT team to arrest a murder suspect. And I dealt with Russian mafia and gang members. It's like I don't know what they're doing. And the person who can put the brakes on that is the prosecutor who's going to be responsible for that. And that's it. That's you go on heavy handed like that. That's a good way to get your department sued. in my opinion. And it also just, it ultimately looks bad in front of a jury. You have to treat the case from day one, like you're going to catch the guy and you've got to hold them accountable for the Guthrie family. And you need a prosecutor to be working hand in glove with the investigators and not even directing it, but just kind of a different set of eyes with different considerations. Somebody that has prosecuted murders before and can anticipate defense motions. So the case doesn't get screwed up by overzealous detectives or cops that want to kick in doors. This is amateur hour in Pima County. The DA there is a woman named Laura Conover. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they've been really active behind the scenes and we haven't seen her. But if those were the first prosecutors that have been inside that house, the voters, in my opinion, of Pima County need to clear out their law enforcement leadership and elect people that are more responsible because All I've seen is a failure and by, in my opinion here, a failure of the sheriff and a failure of the law enforcement leadership of Puma County to bring justice to this family. And it's maddening to me. I had to stop watching this about a week ago because it was so frustrating. Well, I don't think you're the only one. We're tracking what's going on basically in the Twitterverse and online. And that's where a huge conversation, you know, has been really going after this sheriff for the things that have happened. Can I add something there? I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt. But do you mind? No, it's, you know, you have to anticipate that when you go to the media, when you ask for the public's help, you are going to get a deluge of people that, you know, well-meaning people that want to help. But part of that also is you have to be prepared to answer legitimate questions from the media and you have to be prepared to get some heat. Now, I always hated it. OK, when when a talking head would come in and criticize my cops or criticize me about something that we were doing on a high profile case. So I get it. However, I was on your former colleague show, you know, our mutual friend, Elizabeth Vargas, and she's a pro. And I'm in the green room. This is last week. And this is after the gloves were found down the road. Right. We talked about that a little bit on your show. So you're going to get DNA out those gloves. And one of the questions that she had and she interviewed the sheriff. He stopped doing press conferences, but he started doing individual interviews. Cherry picked. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Good. But Elizabeth Vargas is a real journalist. She's a pro. Yes. And she asked the question. She's like, OK, so you got those gloves. or Mrs. Guthrie's DNA, what are they found on the gloves? And this is like three days after that story broke that they found the gloves. And not only did he appear not to know the answer to that question, he pushed back on her and said, you know, you guys in the media. And it's like, you guys in the media? What are you talking about, dude? You called the media. You know, it's like you have to expect questions like that. How can you not know the answer? And I have no problem at all. please understand with a law enforcement professional going active investigation. I'm afraid I can't answer that question or, or I don't want to say, but scratching your head going, well, I don't, I'm, you know, I have to ask my people or something like that. I mean, it's just, it undermines the integrity of law enforcement and it certainly undermines the public confidence in law enforcement. And a lot of this stuff, if they catch this guy tonight, whoever he is and, or whoever they are, and this prosecution starts, I guarantee that the defense already has mistakes in their tool belt that they're going to be able to use against the prosecutors because of some of the things that we've been seeing. And look, another thing, in fairness, a lot of these cases take months, years sometimes. I prosecuted cases from the 1970s, my Rodney Alcala case. So sometimes it takes a while, but nobody should be arguing with the FBI. There shouldn't be a feud between locals and feds that are there to help. So very long answer to your question. I hope it's the feds. I hope they've got an angle and I hope they're taking everything over because that's the only way in my view that this is gonna be solved. And that is not a criticism one bit of the fine working police officers working for Pima County Sheriff's Department. I've dealt with them before and I've dealt with Pima County. I did it on a very high profile case at a Newport Beach and they were top notch. absolutely amazing law enforcement that's what we're hearing matt we're hearing that the guys on the ground are working their asses off and they are working day and night you know getting very little sleep there and and many of them are pissed off themselves i mean i think brian enton had a report two weeks ago saying he's talking to these guys and many of them don't know who's in charge which which was shocking as well they're being filled by their leadership and that includes laura con over the da sorry let's let's also say you know and and props to the to the to the good men and women who are working this case on the ground because they are working really hard But one of the things that also Brian Enten reported was that he knew today amongst the confirmation that these are federal prosecutors at Nancy's house today, Brian also knew that local Pima homicide was there, at least one member. So if that is the case, if the federal prosecutors are there assisting the FBI with a, quote, routine legal process and a Pima homicide investigator is there. And let me just be really clear. We don't know that Nancy Guthrie has been murdered. We don't know that yet. Everybody has their opinions and theories on what's happened. And it is, you know, four weeks in at this point. But we don't know that to be fact. It's just that these investigations have to happen. So a local Pima homicide, Pima County homicide detective is there. with the federal prosecutors and the FBI. Now you've got three agencies. Tell me what that tells you. Well, okay. It should be working that way. And let's not forget border patrol was, was there on that stage. I think the very first, very first day. So that's look, when you have a case like this, that's what you do. You go all hands on deck, you reach out. Hopefully the FBI will help you because they're again, their resources and their agents are fantastic. And you, you bring what's happening. There's almost two different tracks here, Ashley, having been in that room so many times, you've got your political class and you've got all of that stuff, sheriff, elected DA, you've got all those people. And on the ground, you've got dedicated, hardworking professionals, some of whom I guarantee have probably not slept more than four hours a night since this thing started. You've got your rank and file, hard-nosed gumshoe cops, and they, I guarantee, are grateful for the FBI agents. They're grateful for the resources. They're available to them. So you've got that. And they have bonded now. There should be a prosecutor in that room. And again, I want to be wrong. I want to be fair to Laura Conover. I want to be fair to the sheriff. But I've reached a point where personally, I just my heart breaks for this family. I've been I've done a million of these. And it's this is not how you do it. And so I feel bad for those the hardworking women and men in law enforcement and the CSI professionals as well. What were they doing today? What do you think specifically? They were inside and they were outside walking the perimeter in suits. What do you think was actually happening? Well, I think if that's the first time federal prosecutors have seen it, remember, we've got those blood drops outside. I have always believed that there is there's a very telling scene regarding the blood inside the home, which we have. Well, Matt, I'll tell you what, I had a break earlier this week from a very well-informed source connected to this investigation, law enforcement source who said the blood droplets outside the home, outside on Nancy's front entryway on the tiles, it is the similar pattern inside the home. Blood droplets, but not as it was described to me, not a footsteps through the blood, not a sign of a struggle, just those blood droplets inside the home as well. And I was not able to get from that source where exactly. Well, remember that going back to the very first day. And again, I have a hard time trusting anything that this sheriff has said personally. But he did say that first day. One of the things I don't think he walked back because he keeps saying one thing and then he'll come back and walk it back later. So there was some evidence inside the home that was concerning enough to get the homicide detectives out. Right. And also they said she was abducted from her bed. Remember that? And then he walked that back. And then Savannah yesterday released an Instagram that literally said the words in the dark of night taken from her bed. Those were Savannah's words. And she's a journalist and she knows her words. I don't know if she's speaking literally or figuratively. But that's now twice we've heard that. And my heart just breaks for her and any family member that is suffering as a result of this thing. You know, it's it's an this is the most apoplectic thing a person can experience. It's it's absolutely horrific. But but no, the first thing that you want to look at if you're a prosecutor is you want there's an entire forensic discipline known as blood spatter evidence. A lot of people mispronounce it, say splatter with an L. It's spatter, S-P-A-T-T-E-R, where essentially you you closely examine and blood is a very viscous material, as we all know, we're all familiar with blood, but it's like you can tell directionally, you know, if somebody, a lot of times if somebody was stabbed or beaten, you have a thing called cast off that can be on the ceiling. There's, there, there are so many different aspects of that. The way the blood falls, you can get directions out of it. You can learn a lot of information just as, you know, trying to understand it. So if there's blood in her bed, that tells you a ton, right? They haven't said that. No, they haven't said that. I'm saying, no, they haven't. I'm saying if they knew that she was taken from her bed and they keep repeating that, you know, that's very different than somebody knocking on the door and her going to answer and getting snatched from her doorstep. And very different, Matt, than say her potentially hearing a noise and coming out of her bedroom and startling a burglar who was only there to steal. To that, we've also learned from the New York Times who interviewed a friend of Nancy's that she had recently started wearing powerful hearing aids, which means you take them out at night, which means it would be hard to maybe hear something going on in the home. So to answer your question, what are they looking for? I think that they obviously that has not been cleaned up yet. Unless again, after the sheriff returned the property after less than 30 hours of CSI workup, which was another head spinner for me and everybody else, I guarantee that works, has worked these cases before But unless they cleaned it up when they went in that should be all of that stuff should be preserved It should be something that a prosecutor would want to look at because depending on what that looks like, that can tell you a whole bunch. Now, if it's just blood droplets in the hallway, even that can tell you a lot. And look, my Kathy Torres case, I know you read my book, but that was one where we had arterial bleeding on the inside of a trunk lid. We had two people that loaded her into the car. And that was hugely significant because that meant her heart was still beating. That meant the guy that came along later was not an accessory after the fact murder, but in fact was a principal to the murder because an arterial spurt meant her heart pumped that blood out, which meant she was alive. So you can get a tremendous amount of really good evidence from looking at the blood. And I don't know. I'm guessing that's what I would that's the first thing I would ask to see if I if I was the prosecutor. But of course, if I was the prosecutor or any of the prosecutors in Orange County, L.A. County or anywhere else that that handles these things professionally, you'd have a prosecutor there that night before the blood is even coagulated. That's the way it should work. That way you've got another mind who is experienced and can anticipate, like I said, what is going to come at you from the defense. and starting a business can be overwhelming you're juggling multiple roles designer marketer logistics manager all while bringing your vision to life shopify helps millions of business sell online build fast with templates and ai descriptions and photos inventory and shipping sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl that's shopify.nl it's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. The DA, from what I've seen, maybe working really hard behind the scenes, but she's been a ghost, at least publicly. And maybe that just means she's way more professional than the sheriff. I don't know. I'm not familiar with Arizona politics. I don't know who the good guys are, the bad guys. I have nothing to do with that. That is my objective opinion based on what we've been seeing and that's been widely reported. Which brings me to the next round of vehicles that arrived after the white, about a half hour after the white vehicles arrived, about several black SUVs, a convoy it's been described as, a convoy of black SUVs arrived. One of them that was in the middle had all the windows darkened and it ended up pulling into the garage. The door of the garage came down and apparently whomever was in there was inside the house for about an hour before the garage door came back up and that vehicle sped out quickly. I have my theories on what that could be, possibly the family coming to the home. But if it is still a crime, at least if it's still a scene where they want to see where the crime happened, because it's not officially a crime scene anymore, would the family have gone into the home if the blood were still on the floor? There's a hundred different reasons why that might've been family. I mean, they drove right into the garage. There was a heavily tinted window. So it was clearly somebody that didn't want to be seen by the media. So I wouldn't at all be surprised. And that could also be family just wanting to get belongings in the house that have nothing to do with the investigation, just wanted to recover them. And, you know, again, these people have huge hearts, like those FBI agents, and I guarantee those homicide detectives and anything you can do that doesn't compromise the integrity of the crime scene, you want to do if it can alleviate just a little bit of the grief for the family. So that could be something personal that they just wanted to go in and get. something they might want to look for, or it could be they wanted perhaps access to something. Maybe a combo to a safe wasn't working. There's a hundred different reasons why that could be a family member or maybe somebody else. That could be the DA herself finally showing up four weeks into this, which I hope not. That would be, and look, maybe she was there the first night. Nobody saw. I don't know. But yeah, it could be anything. And again, we're trying to read tea leaves because the information that's been provided has been schizophrenic, if I can use a term, right? It's like we were told one thing one day, then another. The family, you know, nobody's ruled out. The family's ruled out. You know, the family's not ruled out. We're keeping the car. It's- Oh, I have news on that. I'm getting whiplash listening. I have news on that. So obviously my source early on said that the focus right from the jump on day one was a brother-in-law and the sheriff tore into me and didn't say my name, but said, absolutely not, but we're not ruling out family. And then the sheriff came out and said, they're all cleared, including spouses. And now Arizona family, which is of course that consortium that owns two TV stations in Northern Arizona. Um, Brianna Whitney reports this, this is her tweet. Multiple people have asked me what the status is on Annie Guthrie's car after it was taken for processing in the case. And then she says, I asked the Pima County Sheriff's Department today and I just received this response. Quote, all we can say at this time, comma, the vehicle is still part of the investigation. But if they've cleared the family members and their spouses, why would they keep the vehicle for part of the investigation? Okay, so number one, all right, I don't even know where to start with this. one of the things that you learn is that you have to keep an open mind at all times. Okay. And when you have a, you have a mystery like this, when you're, you're starting, you start with your list of suspects with the population of the earth. Okay. And I cannot tell you actually how many times I thought a case was, was one thing. And then there is a radical change, like a piece of evidence is discovered that turns the whole thing upside down. And my detectives, like on my Daniel Wozniak case, you remember, like the killer murdered a young man, war hero, because he wanted to get out his $65,000 in his bank account. And he figured out what his pin was. So he murders him, takes his ATM card, cuts off his head, but wants a reason why he can't be found. So he decides part of his plan, he's going to lure another mutual friend to his murder victim's apartment. And he killed him. That's the one on the military base. kills him someplace else so he lures this poor young woman named julie kibuishi totally innocent murders her and stages the entire crime scene to make it look like sam her his first victim killed her utterly diabolical and i mean and i this is embarrassing to admit but i went into that scene and i i bought it i'm like okay well clearly this is some sort of lover's quarrel between the two of them and his the parents were insistent that they weren't dating but what do what do parents know, right? Like, and my detectives to their credit were saying, no, that's not, this is weird. That's not it. And, and they were right. And all of a sudden we learned that this was one of the first witnesses, like it was who would ever believe that somebody would come up with a scheme that diabolical. So you. Oh, Brendan Banfield did. Brendan Banfield and his nanny, they did. Yeah. So, you know, when you rule it out, you rule people out when you have a suspect and you figure out the case. And by the way, the sheriff doesn't get to rule people out. He doesn't have charging authority. That is a prosecutorial agency that makes that call, not the sheriff. That's a TV thing. The idea that the cops are ruling somebody out, that means nothing because they don't have the ability to file charges. They can request charges from the DA. They can book people. That's very different than the formal criminal charging process in the United States. So, you know, we, and I've had case after case where I think it's one thing. And I had a, I had a case with a guy who we believe that it was, he was very wealthy, lived in Newport coast, murdered his wife, and they were in the process of a divorce. And there was a lot of money at stake in the divorce. And so I file what's known as a special cert for financial gain. So it's a it's a murder strangler to death, dumped her in a trash can in San Diego County, comes back. And I firmly believed that obviously this has got to be it. Well, then we get into the computers. The computers come back. Turns out what was actually happening, she had a ton of money and her family had a lot of money. His family had a lot of money. Their big dispute was he kept going and trying to think of a polite way to say this, engaging in the services of sex workers without using proper protection and giving his wife STDs. And that's what they were fighting about. So I've already charged him, believing that money is at least part of the motive to do this. And then I had to go and dismiss that enhancement the same day as soon as I subjectively became aware, like, oh, that's what they're fighting about. I can no longer have faith in the charges. And ethically, as a prosecutor, you got to dump it. So you have to have an open mind through the end of the trial on these things. So the idea that the sheriff is making a call and saying we are eliminating this person as a suspect or that person as a suspect, how do you know until you've figured out the case? And clearly they haven't done that. This could be somebody else who did it, but you just don't know. So – and everybody is presumed innocent, and I'm throwing zero shade or accusations at anybody. But I'm saying that the process of a sheriff going, I have eliminated that person. And dude, until you have a suspect in custody who gives you a story that you believe or that you're able to piece it together with their phone records or their computer records, and you have a near complete picture of how this happened, the entire world is a suspect. Seems to have done it very quickly as well, because like my source said, and I still believe it based on the actions of the police, the source said that right away, the Pima County Sheriff's Department zeroed in on that family member. And they towed the car. They returned the scene right away. They said they called the search off within 24 hours of Mrs. Guthrie disappearing and said the words. There's no threat to the public. There's no reason for anybody in the public to be concerned. And then showed up at night, you know, photographing in that home, the family members home for three hours. And so the actions certainly seem to speak to the reporting that I had, which was that was their focus. And so very, very quickly, suddenly he's saying everyone's everyone's cleared and yet won't return the vehicle that they towed under warrant. Well, not only that, but I mean, that's just another of the hundred hundred statements from the sheriff that that at first I was sympathetic and I'm really not anymore. I saw that video and look, I'm a man. OK, and I've had I've had FBI FBI firearms training. I've been threatened a million times. That video is is terrifying to me. Guy in a ball of clava showing up in the middle of the night. How do you announce to the public that they are not at risk when that guy and he's still on the loose? That to be fair, to be fair, when he made the statement, they hadn't yet seen that video. But it sure was scary. 24 hours afterwards, 24 hours after the announcement that she's missing, the announcement is you're all fine. Yeah, everybody's cool. And then and then what, a week or two later, we get those images. Turns out everybody not so cool anymore. Like like that guy's friggin scary. Imagine if you are if you're the same demographic as that poor Nancy Guthrie. right uh like if you're an elderly person living in pima county uh how secure do you feel with the assurances of a sheriff who says everybody's good nobody's at risk and then a few days later the boogeyman turns up on a video and again that's just that's just amateurish um you know poor leadership poor law enforcement once bit once bitten twice shy uh i recall in the days after the Idaho Four were murdered in their beds. We were all told, oh, there's nothing to be concerned about. There's no risk out there. This was a targeted attack. There's no risk to the community. Well, there were six weeks worth of the worst risk to the community. And he was walking about the cabin and sitting next to associates at Washington State University. And Brian Koberger was out there and we were told otherwise. And so now I'm concerned because it feels like a bit of a repeat. We're told, nope, there's no risk to the community when, in fact, there is a risk to the community. It just makes me wonder where his focus was and where his department's focus was on that day. Well, can I tell you the difference? And I'm with you 100% on that. On Koberger, which we both covered, right? Like you had me on your show a bunch on that. And that, look, the difference between the Brian Koberger case and this one is you had really good leadership on their investigative team, which I was super impressed by because that's a very small area, right? The person who let everybody down, in my view, again, just my opinion was the prosecutor who came off the death penalty. That's another story. But the difference is they had Koberger pretty much ID'd very quickly and they were following him. You know, that whole drive, the video that we saw where they pull him over twice in like a couple of hours. They were on to him and they were they were monitoring him. They were watching him. So I'm a little more comfortable there because they knew they figured out very early who did it as the investigation was proceeding. And as they lied to us, but they lied to us, but they lied to us. And I will tell you this, that that to me, again, once bitten, twice shy as a reporter. I watched the police chief. he filmed a video and posted it on the Moscow police website saying we have no suspects there is no one and it was the day before that they'd identified him with ID with his with his DNA it was the day before that they identified him with his DNA and knew exactly who they were after and then recorded and posted we have no suspects so I have been lied to before and I get it I get it. It is the purview of the police. It's not illegal to lie to the press or the public. But as a reporter, my boss is the truth. Sure. And I get that. And I don't disagree at all. But if you're going to if you're going to I have less of a problem with that if you've got the guy ID'd and you want to put him at ease so you can effectuate a safe arrest, like if that means a little BS to the to the to the press because you got the guy. I have much less of a problem with that than announcing in a case like this, no danger to the public. And when this guy is obviously incredibly dangerous and he is out there right now. And I mean, look, those images, they released another one today, actually, that it was being reported that maybe it was on a different night. Another guy in a balaclava, it looks like the same guy. Again, the mess, again, the mess here. I mean, they released them all. Many of us in the true crime community said, well, wait, this image, he's not wearing a backpack or a gun. Is it the same guy? What's going on? And, you know, a couple of weeks later, we're then it's confirmed that, well, it's confirmed through every source that every outlet has other than the sheriff, that it is a different night. And the sheriff's saying, well, that's all speculative. But the sources that every other outlet, media outlet has, has said, no, that is confirmed. It is a different night. So we had the pictures, but weeks later, we find out they're a different night. Yeah. I mean, when you go to the public and ask for help, you've got to expect the heat and you've got to expect a lot of people. Scrutiny. And yeah. And look, when you when you do that, this is a part of the deal. Like act like you've been in the end zone before, dude, as I say in the NFL. Right. Like like, you know, be professional about it. Understand what that means. And I have no problem appealing to the public. I've done that before on cases. in conjunction with the FBI and local police. But it's something you map out, you strategize, and you're prepared. You've got a phone bank waiting to accept the cause. And the vast majority of people, you can break them down into three groups, right? You've got people that really want to help, and that's going to be the vast majority of them. And I saw a weird guy walking down the street in September. And they're people that they mean well. You've got to chase all those things down. It consumes a tremendous amount of resources. But it's a part of that. And every once in a while you get lucky and you hit a home run. Most of them are, yeah, I heard the raccoon. I heard noises, but it might've been the raccoons. I heard somebody screaming, but my wife's, my neighbor's wife yells at them a lot. Like most of them go, the vast majority go nowhere. The second group is you got your Looney Tunes that come out and say the alien, I know it's aliens that abducted or blah, blah, blah. And those come out and that's just a part of the modern world. And then also, and I think we talked about this before, you got your scammers and all of those frigging letters on the all of that stuff are none of those are real None of those are from this guy They all scams And even the back and forth you know in my private practice a few times I've been brought in to try to help people as almost like a fixer, these people that get scammed, the people that actually do call, and you're dealing, last one I dealt with was in the Philippines, and that the way, the language, you know, the back and forth, like, well, you don't trust me, so now I'm only going to do it this way. That is exactly how they sound. They try to personalize it. It's all bullshit. It is all bullshit. Those parasites are, so you got well-meaning people, you got your crazies, and now we have parasites in the modern era that attempt to cash in on the absolutely horrific grief of this poor family. And for me, I don't think there's any fate bad enough for those people who try to profit from something like this. I mean, you call them parasites. There's many more adjectives I could add to that. They seem to be abating. But I will say this. The FBI, it's now being reported, has received 1500 tips, Matt, since Savannah put out her messaging yesterday. And I just wondered, is that because it's now a million dollar reward and suddenly people have a conscience? Or is that because the eyeballs are back because that was a big story and it made a lot of press? I don't I mean, again, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to anybody who'd call in and think that they're I think that it got, you know, the million bucks. maybe got another news cycle out of it and reminded people like, Hey, we're still looking, maybe you got some help. So I want to, I want to interpret that the best way. But I think anybody with actual information that was willing to share it would have revealed it a lot earlier. I mean, the longer things go. Or is it possible? Cause I've spoken with people about this before. Some folks that were willing to turn them in were too terrified about their own security and could not afford to move their families or secure themselves. And now with a million dollars, they can. Yeah, maybe I'm skeptical on that one. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're not going to have to worry about this guy if the FBI gets him. You know, he's over and out if they can put together a good enough case. So no, I don't think so. I'm skeptical about it. Maybe. I mean, look, you never know. Every one of these cases is different. I have prayed to God that I'm wrong about everything. And this poor woman is still alive. And somehow they've managed to keep her alive and she'll be freed. But look, I mean, I've been on record on your show before. I think she was dead inside the house. You know, that's always been my thought. But I see these cases through a very jaded lens of 20, you know, 21 years of homicide and sexual assault. So, yeah, well, you've seen a lot. There's to the tipsters who, like you mentioned, they want their well-meaning. They want to help. Matt Ruiz from Fox News reported from Fox Digital that a neighbor of Nancy Guthrie's said that she saw a man who quote unquote didn't fit in the community walking near the missing woman's home in January. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl that's shopify.nl it's time to see what you can accomplish with shopify by your side a couple weeks before and said he didn't quote he didn't have your typical walking gear on he had his hat pulled really far over his eyes if that was a tip and you were looking at it what What's your lens? That's probably some well-meaning, very nice person who wants to help, and that's the best they got. And when that is the latest tip that's getting reported, we're officially at the bottom of the barrel. But look, I've had cases, again, on my Nairi case that you remember. We had nothing, and my cops were doing a canvas. This is a kidnapping with a man who was sexually mutilated in the desert. He's a marijuana dispensary owner and horrific case. And, you know, a canvas is is kind of semi desperate when essentially you just send explorer scouts and police officers, usually the young ones out to knock on every neighbor's door and just hope you get something. And that when they knocked on a woman's door, who's like, I mean, she's a hero. So I don't want to I don't want to belittle her by by the comparison. But I just think of Mrs. Kravitz from Bewitched, you know, the lady that's always looking out her window. We had one of those. This woman was absolutely awesome. And the cops are like, hey, did you you happen to see anything? And she said, as a matter of fact, I did. I saw a white truck, three boys and work workman's gear that didn't look like it had ever been used. And they're like, please tell us you can give us a description of the truck. And she's like, well, I've got the license plate without help. And it broke our case wide open. So you never know, you know, every once in a while you will get you'll get that tip and you hit the home run case gets solved. Bad guys get arrested. And, you know, but again, the arrest is the end of this. They have to be prosecuted and the prosecution has to withstand appellate scrutiny. And that means that decisions now need to be correct. They need to they need to conform to the sacrosanct constitutional rights of of whoever this this person is going to be. And one day this case is going to be solved. OK, hopefully just tomorrow, maybe in a year, maybe it's in five years. One day this case is going to be solved. And decisions have to be made today. In fact, starting four weeks ago that don't screw up the prosecution so that that person is held accountable. There's justice for the family and they are never given the opportunity ever again to hurt anybody else. And that depends on the integrity of the prosecution. To that end, I should also tell you that Fox is reporting today that the Pima County Sheriff's Department reported no activity at the House today. And yet our very eyes were seeing, you know, a half dozen people in blue suits and also Enten telling us that one of the people who was there was actually a Pima County homicide detective. So after that, Pima County Sheriff's Office said that it had no press conferences planned. It will now be limiting its updates to media about the Guthrie case. And here's the quote, daily updates. The P. McKenna Sheriff's Department PIO team has been distributing updates to the media on an almost daily basis. At this time, we will limit further updates to instances when new information warrants release. So now suddenly we're not even going to get the, you know, the printed statements anymore. Well, it's like that old statement, you know, believe me and not your damn lying eyes. Right. And by the way, Brian, Brian's a friend of mine. Brian's reporting on this, I think, has been absolutely stellar. Right. But the problems on this one and I've had cases where I put it heads with the media and now I kind of work in the media, I guess. The problems in this case have never been the media. The problem in this case is the is the leadership. And look, in fairness, these cases can be very difficult. They can be difficult to solve and they can take a long time. But yeah, when reporters are saying we've had the most activity ever, you got feds rolling in in their suits. You got somebody in the garage. Everybody's outside doing that. And the same day you get you get yet another contradictory statement from the sheriff's department saying nothing happened today. It's like, dude, we know stuff happened. And just every time they do it, that's an unforced error. and every day it seems like we got something else. It is, and I don't want to be too harsh again, I really don't, but it just, it is amateur hour with the Sheriff's Department. And that doesn't mean if we had a real pro in there that they would have made an arrest, but it sure would increase public confidence in the integrity of this investigation, which is critical for public confidence in the integrity eventually of a prosecution. Because if you lose that, you're going to lose the case And then this guy gets out and does it to somebody else. This is a public safety issue. And of course, he's not doing any more press conferences because he doesn't want to be grilled anymore on going to basketball games, you know, five days after this poor woman goes missing or whatever other questions. I guess you'd have to read the DNA report to answer questions about whether or not this poor woman's DNA is on those gloves. And by the way, I you know, that's about the time that I hung it up and I couldn't watch anymore. uh ashley um so there are people who definitely know the details of this thing more than me but uh all that hullabaloo about those gloves and it turned out that was nothing and you and i talked about this and i told you that every time you do a canvas you always find gloves always you know there's dark gloves there's bikers gloves there's central park right now is filled with frozen gloves one glove you know that's just a nature the nature of the beast on these things and i guarantee they found gloves in the neighbor's yards and gloves that gardeners have used and workmen have, you know, roofer gloves. There's all kinds of gloves out there in the world. Every one of them, you're going to get DNA in them. And virtually none of them are probably going to have anything to do with this case. Today, Brian Enten said that at least one person who was on the property today with that big group of folks that all showed up, the FBI, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and the sheriff's homicide detective. One of them was seen wearing gloves. Does that sound normal to you? That if they're just doing this canvas, they would have gloves on? Yes. Okay. Every time, and look, this is a, this is kind of funny. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this on air, but HBO optioned my book, right? So in working with the writer who's trying to develop a screenplay and hopefully they buy the rights, keep your fingers crossed for me, But a great writer. And he wanted to know, like, what actually happens when you go to a murder scene? And the you you go to the yellow tape, you sign in so they can keep track of everybody. And then you do you put on nitrile is what we would use nitrile gloves, everything. So your DNA doesn't wind up on anything that you touch inside. You also put little paper booties over your shoes to ensure that, you know, number one, you're not tracking anything from the outside into a crime scene. But number two, some of those crime scenes with viscera and blood, you don't want any of that stuff in your own kitchen. So, yes, it's totally normal those gloves would be on. And then depending on the sensitivity of the case, sometimes we would mask up. Sometimes you put on the little hat thing just to make sure, you know. And if you're a police officer or prosecutor doing homicide cases, you have to submit your DNA for CODIS so that it can be eliminated if you breathe. And some people are what are known as shedders, Ashley, where they just seem to leave a lot of DNA. And some people aren't. Yeah. We had a CSI guy in Irvine, a great guy, real professional. But just whatever it was about his body, we thought we had a serial killer. as DNA was coming up because we kept getting unknown male DNA at a bunch of different scenes, but it made no sense because one was like a 7-Eleven robbery. In other words, a domestic murder where he had a confession from the husband. Like it didn't make any sense that we had unknown male DNA until somebody was like, wait a minute. And we tested him and it was, and it was, I'll leave his name out, but it was his DNA. And he, and he, he would mask up. He was aware of it. Like, especially after that became an issue, his DNA still kept turning up. And it's just one of those things. Some people shed, and they call them shedders, just a ton of DNA. And other people just don't. It's a quirk of organic chemistry. Matt, as we've been recording, this is just in, according to Fox from the Pima County Attorney's Office, quote, veteran prosecutors from the Pima County Attorney's Office continue to work with the Pima County Sheriff's Department, the FBI, and the U.S. Attorney's Office regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. I think this is a response from rumors that maybe the county attorney was on scene today. Or she's watching your show, or she's watching your show, Ashley, and wanted to respond to the heat. Look, the comments about, she said that they can't comment, they have ethical provisions against commenting regarding the details of the case. That is true, that is true, and they have to be very careful not to do that once again in order to preserve the integrity. However, we're four weeks into this, and I hope, again, I don't know what's been going on behind the scenes. I hope that the local prosecutors were involved, the experienced homicide prosecutors from that county should have been involved that night. And I hope that's the case. I have no information that it is. So it looks like the people that showed up today were in fact feds. That's been confirmed. I don't know one way or another, but it looks like they're denying that those were the local prosecutors. So I don't know. Or maybe there was somebody there from the county attorney because she's not confirming or denying either. They need to take an active role in this. And like I said, hopefully that's been happening behind the scenes, but we just haven't heard or seen anything indicating that. So hopefully, you know, maybe it's like a duck, all calm on the surface and under the water to the part we can't see. Maybe her office has been working really hard. I hope that's the case. Otherwise, the Guthrie family has been disserviced, in my opinion. You need vertical prosecution on a case like this. I mean, you need prosecutors assigned to that case on the ground from the very beginning. And this is the first peep I have heard from this DA a month into this. So yeah, hopefully she's been quietly working behind the scenes. I hope so. But I wouldn't be surprised by anything from Pima County officials at this point. I learn so much every time I talk to you. And oftentimes it's something like this that I didn't expect. Matt, thank you. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks for having me. Thank you for letting me vent. I'm just frustrated with this case. So I hope I didn't offend anybody. Again, all just my opinion, not throwing shade on anybody or casting suspicions or spursions on anybody except maybe the sheriff. You're not alone. Yeah. I know you're not alone. Thank you. So that's where we are, folks. Here we are. I'm recording this on day 25, late, late in the day. And we're coming to the end of week four. And just, I would say we probably know as much as we did, you know, two weeks into this investigation as we do now. And it's just, it's disheartening because there is a family behind this that is desperate for answers. So they are being tormented every single day by the notion that they don't know where their mom is. They don't know what's happened to her. And as Savannah said in her statement yesterday, they believe they may have to come to the realization that she's no longer with us. And so to know that there's a sort of a messy messaging in this investigation going on, I sure hope that, as Matt mentioned, that the duck that paddles under the water frantically but looks very calm above, I hope that there's some semblance of that going on in this investigation. But it has been just a total shit show in terms of the messaging from the sheriff, I'm not going to lie. I hope that the hard work that all of his deputies are doing will eventually pay off. 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