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Hey, it's Tony. On today's show, we will get Super Bowl picks from Chuck Todd and Reginald the Monkey. We'll also talk to Bob Ryan about the Patriots' path to the Super Bowl. But first, let's do some commerce, boys and girls. Previously on the Tony Kornhazer Show. One of the flight attendants has stumbled and water lands all over my pants, all over me. So I now, the rest of the flight is fine. I'm not thinking about anything but drying my pants. and they're giving me towels. Walking through Dulles to baggage. Well, this is okay. So what is the great fear? The great fear is someone sees me. The front of my pants is soaking wet. He was so scared on the plane. He was so scared he peed on himself. Yes. The Peter pants is cool. Yes. Yes. This is General George Washington, and you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser Show. Such a good story. Ernie peed his pants, too. It's just such a good story. Is that Happy Gilmore? Yes, it is. There you go. Thank you. Such a good story. I had a couple of things to get to. We got a note from Brian O'Connor, who is now in the Phoenix area. He used to be in Crofton, Maryland. And he sent a picture of his son with a couple of people in the NFL, one of whom is Cody Parkey. Oh, wow. And he says, wonderful story about your golf outing with Cody. Cody's related through marriage on my wife's side of the family. Great guy. We had Thanksgiving dinner with him in 2017, and I've met him at other family-related functions. He was also on the 2010 BCS National Championship team. He went to Auburn. So was that Cam Newton's team? That must have been, yeah. He must have played with Cam Newton. He's a big SEC kid. Yeah. So that's a very nice note. Took 18 holes, but I finally got a laces out joke. Yeah. Ball was oscillating on the T on 18. Yeah, yeah. And I got a lovely note from the owners at Bin 66 in Rehoboth, in closing, two wine glasses, which is very nice. Lovely. Which will go to my son and heir, Michael. And it says, thank you for the incredibly kind mentions of Bin 66. Just want the tote bag. Receiving recognition on a platform like yours truly means a great deal to us. On a platform like mine. It's a vaunted platform. Come on. As relatively new business owners, we are grateful to know the care we put into our selection and the way we take care of our customers is being felt. Your words were both encouraging and deeply appreciated. We hoped you might enjoy a few personalized glasses to drink your Beaujolais or anything in. It's a small token of our thanks. That's very, very nice. It's very, very nice. And everything I've said and the same stuff that I said. Again, you go there for the staff recommendations. That's right. They have wines on a variety of tables that say 30 and under, 20 and under, stuff like that, and everybody knows everything. So you say, I don't know much. I'm looking for this, and they help you. Yeah, we're going to our friend's house. Here's the menu. And it's the same thing happens at Calvert Woodley. The same thing happens. If you would say, go in and say, I'm looking to steal a very expensive bottle of wine. Could you directly? I got a couple of screw tops. So it's a lovely place. Don't mind the duster. All right. So there's something I want to, I haven't done this. I mean, I've talked about the airplane flight, but I haven't talked about the golf. And Michael is here. And Michael, we played Emerald Dunes and we played the park. You kept playing Emerald Dunes. I played Emerald Dunes three or four times. Then we played the park. Yes. We played Seminole. First we played Grove 23 and then we played Seminole, right? We played 15 and a half holes at Grove, yes. Yeah, and then we got rained out. We got rained out. I was playing the Wizard Tees. You were all the way in the back. What did you think? Of golf in general? of the courses? A lovely balance. The weather is so nice and they're so hospitable when you go to Emerald Dunes. And then Grove, it's like driving into outer space. I was thinking about this earlier. When you go to golf courses, anything that's over 50 years old, you often see signs of the course before the course itself. You see sort of a cut through in the distance. You see trees. You maybe see a peek through of a fairway or some grass. And the new thing is the older the golf course or the more exclusive it is, the smaller the sign. You really have to know where you're going. and driving to this course in Grove, this entire stretch of Florida just has these new golf courses. And it's like you're driving into outer space or onto Mars, a different planet. I had no idea there was that much available land in Florida. I just sort of figured... And it's cool. I think I got this from Greg that it's a former nursery or farmland that they were able to find this pocket. So I think there is hundreds of acres, and Jordan was able to choose this pocket in the far corner because of what it offered in terms of this, you know, there's a boundary canal on the, you know, it's the third hole and then the 13th hole in the back nine. But it's this really cool little corner in the back. Michael Jordan owns the course. Owns it. He put up all of the money. He owns the course. So you applied a membership to Michael Jordan, I assume. How's that interview process? Isaiah Thomas might not want to apply. So, I mean, Alan is a member, and it was wonderful to go. There's a story I want to tell about being a girl. It's very much a match play course, and I think it is often described as a course that favors the playing style of one person. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Well, the one rule that people talk about on the course with Michael Jordan is when he plays, he often plays 36 holes. Starts early, plays late. Then you have to allow him to go through, that he and his group go through. You stop, and they go through. seems reasonable to me no problem with that he owns the course sure i think there's more fivesomes and sixomes that are playing the course than yes than your traditional four ball yes michael jordan now the people that belong there probably aren't as impressed as it's michael jordan no but i think you're still there for a scene everyone everyone is aware if it's a day that he's going to be on site or not wow so i it this leads me into something uh it leads me into something that i will talk about about what i wanted in my life was to be a sports writer um and i wanted it every sports writer every sports writer without fail is a failed athlete they get to some level they cannot compete anymore and they love sports and they want to stay with it so they write rick tillender who wrote a column in the chicago sun times for 20 years was a starting defensive back at northwestern university he's a d1 starter and when he that was it and he wanted to stay so he became a sport that's how it works you love sports you believe that sports unites people doesn't divide people except on, you know, the most rudimentary level of who you root for, but that it's a uniform. Yeah, top player list. So, you know, stuff like that. Who's top three, who's top five, whatever. Maybe it is divisive. Bob and I yell at each other all the time. But I will tell you how I knew in my life that when I was done, that I had to be a sports writer. I knew very early when I was in third grade. When I was in third grade, I went to the Hewlett Elementary School and they had a- Playing handball? No, no handball. We're playing softball out in the Macadam lot next to the school. And there was a kid there, a blonde-haired kid, who every time he hit the ball, hit it further than everybody else. Every time ball went up in the air, he caught it ahead of everybody. He was the best. He was the best player. This is third grade. His name is Steven Pearsall. We call him Gooch. He is my dear friend. He was an all-county basketball player. He was a starter at the University of Pennsylvania. Hurrah. Yeah, that's right. Well, you went there. And it always pleased me you went there because I had great ties to the University of Pennsylvania because of Steven Pearsall. I remember when I was at Harper, going to see him play at the Palestra and writing about it in my college newspaper. wow because i he was a you know he showed me i wasn't going anywhere and so i began to write and began in high school in junior high school and wrote about him a number of times and as i said he's a dear friend and if i ever have drive him i say oh mr out all counting huh i got you by five yards you're not that great it's also a great nickname gooch it's a great nickname i also knew i found out in in i then i was a pitcher i was a pitcher in little league um you know i was pretty good and then i tight no right right down the middle right down the middle you know i'm not not brushing that's no i don't i don't i'm not sal magley i'm not the barber i didn't do that so i get to camp and there's tryouts for you know a little league baseball game or two and i figure i'm going to be the pitcher you know there's a kid named larry asofsky from roslin better athlete than I. They chose him to be the pitcher. So I realized that this is it. This is it. I'm eight or nine or 10. That's all I am. I'm not, it's over. So I become a sports writer. Now, one of the things you do, one of the reasons you become a sports writer is that you idolize athletes who are great. They're better than you, you know, and, and so you go, wow, you know, and, and you sometimes idolize them too much. If you're a good sports writer, you don't, but you, you, you always, there's always that feeling in your heart that great athletes are special that's what you do for a living you identify great athletes and then you try and and delve into their personalities and reach the bottom of their souls and it doesn't work sometimes but sometimes it does on long stories sometimes it does so with that in mind we walk into grove for the first time at about i don't know 10 15 10 30 and there's a big table big round table we don't sit at this table we're just gonna get dressed we're gonna go out maybe we're gonna eat something first and then go out you don't he needs toast yeah i wanted some toast sure sitting at this round table in the morning smoking a cigar is somebody who is referred to as the great one it's wayne gretzky it's wayne gretzky's sitting at a big table with eight or ten people around him and i you know say hi i mean do i know wayne gretzky wilbon knows him well they belong to scottsdale national together wilbon's played golf with him i've never done that but i've always admired wayne gretzky and and he's the he's he's the greatest bob ryan notwithstanding about bobby or wayne gretzky is the greatest of all time he's the great one not the great eight the great one he's wayne gretzky so we chat briefly and i sit down somewhere else and then he taps me on the shoulder i get up his son one of his sons watches pti all the time wants to meet me wants to meet me so wayne introduces his kid to me now that is hey dad yeah that's that's that's a pretty good day right there yeah yes we go out to play we are a fivesome behind us is a threesome with two pretty good players two guys capable of shooting you know in the low 70s oh yeah so we let them through and as one of them goes to the back tees i don't i don't even look where the back tees are on courses anymore as one of them goes to the back tees i realized i know him too and so i say hello to john smoltz who is a hall of fame pitcher a great announcer and by the way big you know big guy and big guy and and a really good golfer very good he's he's yeah like the celebrity tour yeah yeah that's the book on him so it's not bad that's not good yeah we get finished and um we're sitting around at a table and on our way out I happen to notice someone else sitting two tables away. Perhaps you know him as LT. Perhaps the greatest linebacker of all time, Lawrence Taylor. Not LaDainian Tomlinson for the young kids. LaDainian. No, LT is LT. Lawrence Taylor. Yeah. I put my hand on his shoulder. He looks up at me, smiles, and I say, I'll give Theismann your best. And he starts laughing. And he starts laughing. That's the walkaway line for me. Sure. How's that? You started workshopping that line in third grade. How about that for a day? If you're a sports writer. If you're anybody, okay. But if you're a sports writer, how about that? Like a Hall of Fame pitcher, the greatest hockey player of all time, and maybe the greatest linebacker of all time. Jordan's not there that day. Not there that day. I come back three or four days later. Alan and I come back three or four days later. Wait for me to fly home. We have, yes, we're playing, well, Steve Fader and his friend are playing with us and a guy named Sammy. We're playing five again. And we're on two and Jordan is coming up the other way, seven or eight, whatever it is. And I see Jordan and Alan says, there's Jordan. So I start to walk over to Jordan. So Jordan, he's beaming. He's beaming. Gives me a big hug. And we talk about Wilbach. We talk about Wilbach. Of course, in the text chain. I said, where's your boy? I said, what am I doing here before him? And he just makes fun of Will Bond. Of course, call Will Bond and tell him all about this. You know, I mean, I covered Michael Jordan. I mean, I was national championship game. Like, I know Michael Jordan, I know. Yeah. And it was, you know, it's just a wonderful moment that he was so abusive. A little nervous being around him? A little, sure. And then I talked to him later in the grill room area. You know, I mean, it's his place. and it's really cool. It's right. It's really cool. Very cool. You know, it's really cool. So I had, for me, someone who chose the profession I chose and venerated athletes. There's no question about that from a very young age on and just wanted to write about them. Yeah, that was really good. So smaller story. I mentioned the other day that I show up to the range and I look to my right and I see DJ going through the bag trying out Fairway Woods. Who is Wayne Gretzky's son of the world. And they have some cool features on the range where they're trying to create quarters so that if you're practicing for a US Open style fairway, it's this many yards wide. But we know he's playing in the group behind us. We see him on the putting green. And if you listen to the caddies chatter, they tell us that on, I think it was number six, he drove the green, hit it to six feet, dropped the putt for eagle. Yeah. So he's a great player because he's a multiple champion. Yeah. Although you haven't heard from him in a while. He's getting some world ranking points again. Yeah. So this is the thing that happens. It's the same thing. We went to the TGL show. and you know we're sitting in the room and i'm we're chatting i'm chatting with keegan bradley you know that happens i'm just waiting for you to say that and then the next time i went to public's to get a sandwich paul mccartney was there we end up hanging out and having a meal that's the highlight of my trip was getting a sandwich did you have this weird moment where you became old i mean this happens early and you know basketball football where you're older or you're a contemporary of the players you're covering so we get to see keegan bradley i played against Keegan in one college tournament, I look at him, his kids are having a birthday party at TGL, and I'm sitting there like, yep, I know this exact scene. And he's someone I see on the TV every weekend. Yeah, yeah. And so it's, I mean, they are indeed people. And it was just, for me, it was just a fabulous experience, you know. I mean, and part of that, of course, is the PTI show. It's not being a sports writer. Well, and where PTI tends to hear every day, 5 30 which is you know golf courses grill rooms yeah locker rooms yeah gym so they know us and they hate us but it's you know it's it's it is a certain kind of an entree it is an obvious kind of an entree you get again i said this the other day the pilots knew who i was yeah you know i trying to meet the pilots to tell them just keep it smooth Let help me out here And they go, you're on the plane? Anyway, it was very nice. How did you think you played? So at Grove, I was trying to play so fast just to be with the group because I'm playing a different set of tees. So I have to go back. Welcome to my world because I'm in the front most of the time. But yes, that is fair. And for me, I'm just happy to see I don't get to play golf with you as much as I used to. And so for me to have a couple of dedicated days to play golf with my two dads, you and Alan, is just everything. And to see you guys interact from 30 yards away, I get so much joy from watching that. It's great fun. Alan's a great host. He's the best. Now, Alan, drive it. We got rained out. So it starts to pour on 15. Really pour. We were putting out on 15. I think we get to 16, which is a short par four. Of course, we want to try and knock it on the green. I hit a pretty good shot, pushed it to the right. I think I bury in the front bunk and say, it's okay, we can go in. Yeah. So Maury thought he was going to melt. I mean, it was really raining. Did Maury stay with you guys all the way through the round, or did he leave and talk to him? No, he's playing well. He didn't need any. No, Maury was playing great. So I mean, so I wanted to also say that about my earliest memories of colleges. I mean, if I had the grades to go to Penn and the money to go to Penn, I'd have gone to Penn. I would love to have gone to Penn. So you probably don't know that, but the fact that you went there, that you wanted to go there. There's a through line as to why I wanted to go there. Yeah, I mean. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Gooch. Yeah, yeah. All right, we'll take a break. Chuck Todd. That's correct. We'll pick the last game he's going to pick this year. Is he a game over 500? He is 73 and 72. He's won over. So he's going to stay away from prop bets. Yeah, unless he's nuts, you know, you want to finish over 500 or at least at 500. So we'll be back with Chuck Todd. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser Show. It's the last call for football on FanDuel. One final Sunday, one last kickoff. The final chance to place your bets before the NFL season closes its tab. This is Super Bowl 60, and FanDuel is making sure you're in on it. If you're a new customer, bet $5 and get $200 in bonus bets if you win. So whether you're backing the favorite, riding with the underdog, or building one last same-game parlay, make it count. 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If you start taking prop bets, if you start doing that, you know, who knows? Do it Ted Williams? Go for the anthem. I had the over in the Pro Bowl, right? Do I get that? Didn't they get 100? I don't know. The Pro Bowl I watched, I don't know, two minutes, and I said, why am I watching this? I was trying to figure out what it was. Yeah. You're like, what are the rules? Are you our best weather forecaster? When did you decide to go on this trip? Because you clearly knew something. Well, no, about a month before. I got the tickets about a month before, yeah, and got out. the day before, but come back to, it's a great new word, snowcrete. No, no, no, it's awful. It's terrible. You know, this was our first one without being empty nesters. Right. Right. You know, so that's, but the fact that you missed on it. Down the shoveler. I mean, yeah, you've got, forget Kip Sheeman, man. You're the weather forecaster. I'm following your travel schedule next week. So I called him over the weekend. I was driving in the neighborhood where you can't. You have to. Every street is a one-lane street. There's one way. So you stop and somebody goes through. Isn't that the way it was in the horses and carriages days? You're like, oh, we'll let you go through. It's a long time ago. And he says, no, it's not letting up. No. I mean, he was very pessimistic and then admitted he hates snow and ice, even though he loves big storms. Yes, he loves the event, but not the aftermath. He does not like the aftermath. He's my favorite fear caster. He's my favorite forecaster, but he's my favorite fearcaster. Oh, he's total fearcaster. But now I think by next week, maybe there are some days that are comfortably in the 40s. But that's not melting this stuff. That's not melting the piles. Get out of here. My biggest complaint is my dogs are eating too much ice, and they eat the ice and immediately throw it out. You know what I mean? It is the most. I mean, the whole thing. This is so gross. I'm so tired of it. All right, let's get to the game then. We have Seattle minus four and a half against New England. We have the over under at 45.5. If you have prop bets that you want to make, I'm unaware of all of those things that go out. But what are your thoughts on, I will give you mine first. So, you know, just, I think Seattle is a significantly better team than New England. I think New England had good fortune to go up against Denver without a starting quarterback. And I think New England's really good. I actually think if New England wins, it's a better story than Seattle. But I think Seattle's significantly better. And to me, the only chance New England has, really, is if Sam Darnold implodes. Because I think the other team... I would be shocked if New England won by a lot. And I would not be shocked if Seattle did. Those are my thoughts. What are yours? this has the um this feels like the lopsidedness of the nfc afc late 80s early 90s right where it and it felt the whole time right there are two or three nfc teams that you were like we're going to be the favorite no matter what came out of the afc and this feels like a you know like what was it when natron means took the chargers to the super bowl right and then they They got hammered by the Niners. It just feels like a – I don't want to call the Patriots an accident. It just feels like they're there a year or two too early. Well, they were 4-13 under two coaches in a row. They bring in Vrabel, and he goes the other way. Were they 16-3? Does coaching matter? Oh, yeah. I know. Oh, sure. I mean, look, I feel that way about Mike McCarthy. I'm not the biggest fan of Mike McCarthy on this or that. But you know what he does? He wins. Yeah. You know, and that's what Rabel does. It's not always pretty. But, you know, I'm with you. The only thing I'm concerned about is Darnold. And it's funny you say the Patriots are the better story. I love the Sam Darnold story. Do you? Don't you think this is a great story if he wins the Super Bowl? Goes from sort of, I mean, I still never forget watching true freshman Sam Darnold. And I thought it was the best freshman quarterback I'd ever seen in my life. At USC? Yes. Yeah. He was unbelievable. He seemed perfect and natural. And it wasn't until last year that he was ever that good again, right, with the Vikings. He was until the last two games. Yeah. Now, he hasn't had that. He hasn't had that this year. The only reason I run away from that story, in the abstract, that may be the better story. But to me, still, after five, six years in the league, I have no sense of Sam Darnold personally. None whatsoever. I just don't. I can't recall hearing him speak, so I don't know. What is that? Just not knowing him? What does that tell you? Well, I would be much more sympathetic to him if I had a sense of him. You know, I mean, that's what you look for over some long period of time. A sense of something. I'm kind of impressed with anybody that goes through the New York meat grinder. He did and came out the other side well. And he came out. And that doesn't always happen. There's so many careers. Daniel Jones looks like he might be able to do that as well. Yeah. He looks like that now. if he can recover from that. Yeah, it just feels the only thing, like I smell a low-scoring game. Yeah, I agree with you. Seattle, when they needed to beat San Francisco, beat them 13-3. Well, it goes back to our Darnold. I'm not always, it feels like Seattle's always trying to make sure Darnold doesn't have to win the game. Right, that makes sense. And they have a great defense. That's right. And they have a great running game. Well, yeah, but Charbonnet's out. Like, they just have Walker. But Walker's been great. Yes, yes. Yeah. So, you know, my feeling on this is Seattle covers. They're more likely to win by double digits than single digits. And this game goes under. So, do you want Seattle and the under? I'm taking Seattle and the under. When would I ever do over? Oh, yeah, with toilet paper. I mean, they're not that guy. I mean, they would just ruin everything. You're not that guy. You know, Chuck and Roxy, they'd ruin their out question for people. So you are, okay, you are risking. Yeah, this is a big risk. I love it. I do too. Yeah, you're right. Riverboat gambler. Okay. There you go. All right. And is it Carville or Ma? Oh, who's going to be the overall winner? I think it's Jeff. Jeff is going to win. Yeah. Unless Carville has like a 48 play. Or no, yeah, if he says, yeah, this is a 12-timer. He does something like that. I mean, you know, we allow him to do things that nobody would allow anybody to do. Carver rules, yeah. No, Jeff Ma is going to win. But the three humans have a chance to finish over 500. You know, you're risking it. You are. You're risking it. I admire that. Why not? Do you need me and a couple interns to make you a sports section? Tomorrow? That is out there in the breeze. It's troubling. It's very troubling. I want to wait. Before I comment on it, I want to wait to see. I am really hoping it was all exaggerated. Well, we're going to know. I mean, everybody on the staff thinks we're going to know by today. Well, not by the time everybody hears this. Everybody is going to know. Yes. But I think they didn't. It's a scary thing. They were told, there's an 830 Zoom. Please don't come into the office. Staff wide note. Not good. No, that's not good. Not good. But again, I mean, my training is to wait to make sure it happened and get as many of the details as possible and then start slamming people. That's what I do. Thank you, Chuck. Let's just say I can't wait for Friday. All right, brother. Good luck with this. Good luck with this. That's Chuck Todd. And if we just gave you Chuck Todd, as you know, that would be more than enough. But we always give you a monkey. See the monkey, he's scritch, scritch, scratching. Watching his iPad, smoking and laughing. Hanging with Bud Grant, tap, tap, tapping on his purple attaché. Nigel's going to the zoo, zoo, zoo. Reginald's got the vibes, fine too. Sometimes he throws boo, boo, boo. And he's had too much Johnny Walker blue. So Reginald can't win. Last one, he could have done a mashup. Oh, you wanted a medley? I felt that the people react so strongly if we don't give them this version. I thought the last time we do it, might as well give them the old one. So this is, Reginald was 0-2 in the championship games. He's 27-37. He'd have to do an 11-timer to get over. Yeah. He did better in the playoffs. It was a terrible regular season for him. Ten games under for a monkey is still pretty good. For a monkey. Yeah. So I did go down to the National Zoo to see Reginald last night. and he was busy, as he often is, packing up the Winnebago, getting ready to head on the road to San Francisco for the Super Bowl. As you might suspect, he had a big crew with him. Very excited. They're excited for this road trip. Anybody we would recognize. Goldie Hawn was there. Stevie Cawthon. Yeah, sure. Triple crown winner. Yeah. And Hanuman Lakova. There you go. Yeah, they look like they're about to play some hearts and then get on the road right after that. So, yeah, very excited. But before they did that, I went over this match with him, and I was very curious as to who he was going to take and he showed me a video clip on his iPad of the last Super Bowl between the Pats and the Seahawks. That was a great ending. It was fantastic. Great ending. And if you see a close-up on the sideline, Reginald is coaching up Malcolm Butler right before he goes in to make that interception. So, clearly tells me he got ties to the Patriots He take the Pets He take the Winkler He take four and a half He also told me he going to take the under He likes red Gatorade And he took one other prop bet that there will be a shot of Pope Leo What do you mean red Gatorade? What is that? The red Gatorade. It's the color of the Gatorade that's going to be poured on the winning coach. Yeah. Sometimes it's blue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Purple. He said red. Place your freeze. Yes. And the big prop bet he took was that there will be a shot of Pope Leo in the crowd. That's not going to happen. Well, it's a $5 bet. It pays out $100,000. Oh, okay. Okay. We'll sign up for that. That's interesting. All right. This week's picks with Chuck Todd and Reginald and the Monkey have been brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, Make Every Moment More. Michael knows this. I love the weeks that we do this. Yeah. Others do not. Others don't think that it's the greatest show in the world. But I love when we have Chuck Todd and James Carville and Jeff Ma and Reginald. I love that. I love the continuity of it. I mean, I really do. And I don't really want to have to talk about the NBA, which I'm going to have to do for the next three months or something like that. You know, so I really like this is all good. We will come back with Bob Ryan. And in all truth, we take this yesterday evening. So we did not know that James Harden had been traded. And you might say, well, why didn't you ask him about that? Well, I'm telling you why, because Bob had a dental appointment this morning, right? Yeah, some kind of doctor's appointment. Something like that. And so we did this last night. So when we come back, Bob Ryan and I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser Show. This episode of the Tony Kornheiser Show is brought to you by Wild Grain. Wild Grain is the first baked from frozen subscription box for sourdough breads, artisanal pastries, and fresh pastas. 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And the backing vocalist, Sean Peabody. they all talk about the people in their band makes me very happy Michael, people like Jim Baznight if people are like that and want to send us their original music how do they go about it? send us their music by emailing it to jingles at tonykornheisershow.com and Mr. Baznight plays in Bob Ryan the quintessential American sports writer and we're going to get to the game because the Patriots are in the game against Seattle and people have seen this movie before but you have to start with hard news You have to start with hard news that Kraft is now revealed. Bob Kraft does not get into the Hall of Fame. And previously, Bill Belichick did not get into the Hall of Fame. What are your thoughts on this? And do you find the two in any way related? Totally. Totally. It has everything in Kraft's case has to do with the so-called spy gate, so-called deflate gate. And in Belichick's case, as your colleague Michael Wilbon correctly pointed out the other day, there is another excuse not to vote for Belichick. If you want to keep voting for the likes of Roger Craig and Elsie Greenwood in their last opportunity and that Belichick will have plenty more chances to get in, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's a valid. It's valid. I'll have to acknowledge that. Okay. Now, the fact is this. in Belichick's case, there's no possibility that any of the 50 voters could look you, me, or anyone else in the eye and say, on the basis of his accomplishment, Bill Belichick does not belong in the Hall of Fame. Okay. So we know why you would hesitate to vote for him about a Spygate, about which I cannot speak in depth. We'll never know what effect Spygate had. However, However, we do know what non-effect Deflategate had. That is total BS. Deflategate, it was documented that Brady threw the real football much better than he threw the alleged doctored football. So even if something happened, it didn't matter. And to punish them at that time, I said, to the extent they were punished, This was for every transgression of the Patriots at that point, real or imagined. And this was making a punishment that included draft picks and money that was giving Belichick and the Patriots 20 years to life for jaywalking, if in fact they jaywalked. So, all right, now, Belichick's one issue. And Michael opened my eyes the night when he mentioned that, yeah, you could vote. You needed to vote for Greenwood. I was stunned that Roger Craig was not in the Hall of Fame. Me too. Wow. Yeah. But there's such. Okay. Now, B, Belichick. I mean, Kraft. Tony, there is no owner, not one in the league today who belongs in there more than Bob Kraft. You're 100% right. Yeah. He has done more for that league. He has made more money with various ways for that league than for the other 31 owners. So to say that he doesn't belong in is just complete anti-patriot bias nonsense. Okay? Now, the fact that he is campaigning for himself over the years, and it's an obsession with the organization, yeah, and that probably irritated some people. And I'm going to guess that after they had their little say and their little spat that next year he'll get in. But he totally, they both belong in. We know that. I mean, yes, I agree with you right down the line on that. I'm not much on owners and commissioners going into halls of fame. I'd rather put in players and managers and coaches. If that ballot was given to me, Roger Craig, I would have said, really, he's not in. I would have ended up, I think, voting for Roger Craig, L.C. Greenwood, and Bill Belichick. I think that would have been mine. Tony, it's a terrible process. It's a dumb process. It's ridiculous. I don't know how. So they've got to revise it. I know there's a lot of agitation now to revise it, and they should revise it. They've got to find a better way. Can I ask you a question? I mean, if this anti-patriot bias exists, and I think it does exist, You can't see Tom Brady not getting in on the first ballot, can you? No, I think he'll be exempt from it. But, boy, what a story that'll be. But I don't see that. I don't see that happening at all because, you know, I mean, Brady, no, I don't. But you're right, that would be catastrophic. Yeah, I'm just, it's really something. You know, my assumption has always been that they would be more honored, the three of them would be more honored with statues outside the stadium in Foxborough. Right? Yeah. I mean, and I assume that that will happen. I assume. You know, there's this whole, the larger discussion, the overall larger discussion that, you know, that will be had or we need to have, you know, about all halls of fame and who gets to vote for them. I've been privileged to vote for both basketball and baseball. And I took it very, very seriously and I'm honored to do so. And then people sometimes add it to the only players should vote. And you and I both know that players are not the prefer judges. They're biased. They don't pay attention to everything else other than their little world often. Not everybody. Some guys are totally qualified to vote. They're historians. They know what they're doing. Very few of those, but they exist. Most of them, no, they're not qualified to vote. The ones who take it very, very seriously and do their homework are the media people that are generally the people. Now, that's the case. Anyway, it's a larger discussion about Halls of Fame. But I just know that in my time, I've taken that responsibility and that honor, as an honor, and taken it very seriously. I've said this a lot, that the only one that matters to me is baseball. Because in football, there's 97 positions that you're talking about. And in basketball, they let in 1,000 people a year. So to me, it's baseball. Yeah, okay. No, it is the most important one. And I used to say, maybe not, it's as valid as it was 10, 15 years ago. If there's one sports topic that you could have 365 days a year and have people bubbling in all of American sports, it's Baseball Hall of Fame. Yeah, sure. I agree with that. We're on the same page there. All right, so let me move on to the Super Bowl and ask you this. How, not that it isn't unexpected, how unexpected is it that the patriots four and 13 i think both years in a row two different now on the third coach in three years that they're in the super bowl on a scale of one to ten at least to nine yeah we didn't see this coming when we knew they had a soft schedule everyone knew that that was the narrative they're going to benefit to some degree to some degree from that soft schedule they benefited far more than anyone ever dreamed. And they've gotten better and better as the season's gone along. And in the playoffs, their defense has been the story, not against the better opponents. And so it's a remarkable year. The two big individual stories are the coach and the quarterback. Yeah. But there are other. But Elliott Wolfe was on a hot seat going into this year for, I don't even know what the title is. He's not GM. He's player personnel, whatever. He's the guy that makes the draft picks. And they weren't so good. This year he made great free agent acquisitions. Milt Williams was the most very, very crucial acquisition. And he picked up some guys that were not on the team last year that are making very important contributions this year. But we're – this is a – I mean, isn't it sick? This is the second time in this mini-century, 25-year, that they have had this happen. And it happened in 2001 to get to the Super Bowl and win it in 2002. And now they're on the verge. They're back. I would say this. The spread is appropriate. The proper team is favored. Yes. Seattle should be favored. Yes. But the Patriots can win the game. And if they don't win a game, I hope people here don't get all bummed out. Because what they've done is wonderful and exemplary, and I think they'll give them a good game. And if they win, they win. If they don't win, I'll live with it. Yeah, I mean, my sense of this is that Seattle is a better team. And it will probably come down to if Sam Darnold is, he doesn't have to be great. If he doesn't throw the ball away and see ghosts, they should win. They should win. But the better story is New England winning. It's the better story. Drake May has not thrown particularly well in these playoffs. He runs well. He's run strategically brilliantly to win games for them. And that's who he is. That's his full arsenal. He's a modern two-way running, throwing quarterback. Donald's old school, and he does throw along well. We all know he's got a history, a string, checkered history. And we all know that he makes mistakes, and he may very well make one more crucial mistake on Sunday. Who knows? But I'm looking forward to it. It's a fair game. It's a wonderful story. And the storyline, come on. I mean, how many times are we going to go over Super Bowl XLIX? I know it's one of my favorite things to talk about. Sure. You know, and Malcolm Butler. Why are you throwing the ball? You have Marshawn Lynch. What are you doing? Why are you calling this play? What are you nuts? Absolutely. And that's part of the fun of this week. Yeah, so I can't let you go without asking you about the Celtics, who are, I guess, the most surprising team in the NBA because their best player is out all year. And you look at the same thing happened to Indiana, and Indiana is really struggling. And the Celtics are title contenders because the East is pretty weak. They only have to beat a couple of teams, really. What do you make of that, and how surprising is that? Well, it's surprising that they're in this mix as late as they are, and that they're in it and that they are. And, of course, they have made, as it turns out, a very interesting deal to trade. Yeah, today. And for Nikola Lucevic. And what this says, here's what it says. In conjunction with the fact that Jason Tatum wants desperately to come back, he's making it quite clear, okay, that the East is open. this trade for a 35-year-old center who is a free agent at the end of the year tells you one thing and one thing only. They think they have a chance. I mean, to win the East. They think they can go all the way to the finals with this team, with Vucevic, and with Tatum obviously coming back. And that's what they think. So this is a very significant state. Their franchise should be energized with this. Now, let me just find out the background. I've got to tell you. I've been vocal about how much I've come to love Simons. And as recently as like two hours ago, I was proclaiming my fidelity to Simons. And I was so, don't trade him, don't trade him. And then I find out they have traded him for a better player than I thought they could get, which is Vucevic. People don't know much about him, but he's 16 years. He averages 16, 17 points a game, even this year. He's averaged over 23 or four times. He's a good player. He gives them a—and they've got depth at the center now because they've got Nimas Kata, who's played very well. They've got Luke Garza, who's played very well. They've got some real depth at center now. And you know what? On paper, they do stack up with Detroit and New York and anyone else in the East right now. This is a move for the media for today and over this year. And don't worry about next year, next year. I'll get you out of here on this. Do you expect both, neither, or one of Harden and Giannis to be traded by the deadline on Thursday? Yeah. Harden, yes. Giannis, no. I think we wake up Friday morning and Giannis is right where he's been. Who's going to come up with the right deal? Now the one that would intrigue me if they do is Minnesota because Anthony Edwards is a killer Anthony Edwards is an heir to the throne He not Michael Jordan but guess what He got a Michael Jordan physical package and he's got an attitude. He's great. And he and Giannis, if Giannis can stay healthy, would make Minnesota a very interesting team in the West. That's the team that would intrigue me the most. But I don't think, I'm thinking he's waking up as a Milwaukee Buck on Friday morning. And Harden, you think, is waking up in another place? Harden, I think, is out of there. Okay. I think Harden, I think he's out of there, even though he's played very well. But somebody might think he's a missing piece of a puzzle. I just have a feeling. But again, it's because of their history. You know, I'm going history, and they're still the Clippers. I'm sorry. Thanks, Bobby. Thanks very much. Talk soon. Okay, Tony. Bob Ryan, boys and girls. Again, the quintessential American sports writer, though there are no sports sections in America anymore. We will come back with email and jingle. I am Tony Kornheiser. This is The Tony Kornheiser Show. Well, here comes Tony's mailbag. You got your emails, your faxes, and your notes. It's time for Tony's mailbag. We're gonna read some for all you folks. it's john ross that's lovely it's a great version very lovely you want to do the bethesda bagel yes bethesda bagels we love them you will as well just go to bethesda bagels.com for the location in the dc area nearest you then pop on in and you'll be thrilled before we get to the mailbag let me just say all the leaves are brown and the sky is gray i've been for a walk on a winter's day i'd be safe and warm if i was in la california dreaming on such a winter's day that was the first big hit by the mamas and papas before it got icky yes before it got icky and that was the first big hit. I mean, and they were great. They were great. Thanks to our guests today, Chuck Todd and Bob Ryan. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember, you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Odyssey. If you get the show through Apple, please leave us a review. I have a haiku here from Shad. It's 50-50. You peed your pants or you didn't. I guess it depends. Well done. Very well done by Shad. Very well done. Let me start turning pages here. From Josh Cromwell, Moselle, Mississippi. If someone had said anything to you about your wet pants after your flight, you should have said, well, I was going for the full Gerard Finneran. It's Finnegan, I think. No, it's Finneran. No, it's Finneran, yeah. But climbing off on the cart is dicey at my age, so I settled for this instead. He was the guy who got thrown off a plane getting drunk as a rat. And doing something terrible on a beverage car. Just terrible, just terrible. From Tom Dodd in Raleigh, North Carolina. Morning, Captain. I wondered if you might want to try my latest invention, Teflon pants, for your next flight. We're getting a lot on this, aren't we? Oh, yeah. Go to the rain pants. Kurt Johnson, Tulsa, Oklahoma. After hearing your story about the water spilled on your pants, it reminded me of a similar experience I had. I've been doing some language classes in Germany, then had a four-legged international flight back to St. Louis. I hadn't slept in almost two days because I was a broke graduate student, and I needed to get from Innsbruck, Austria, to Amsterdam on a train with a stop in Munich. I had a buddy pass and had a back row seat on the plane. There were some turbulence, so as the stewardess was bringing me a Bloody Mary, she slipped and dumped it in the crotch of my khaki pants. She offered to pay for the cleaning. I told her, don't worry about it. She gave me six free drink tickets, which I then gave out to everyone around me and sat with vodka and tomato juice in my groin for about 16 hours, walking through the gates to Heathrow, O'Hare, and then St. Louis. I had a Hare Krishna in St. Louis ask if I needed help. I was pretty uninterested at that point. I just wanted to get home, take a shower, not explain anything, go to bed. It's the worst experience of my life. Don Ames in Kingston, in Ontario, in Canada. is it all possible that the flight attendant upon seeing the tatters and shreds of your flying shirt believed you'd be smoldering from an earlier fire and dumped water on you in a desperate attempt to extinguish you there in saving your life and your talismans and amulets from immediate immolation just the thought i'll hang up and listen please tell bill mickless to eat it my flying shirt flying suit my my flying shirt which i wore up to florida and back has huge holes in it so i had a sweater that I zipped all the way up to the top, revealing only the collar of my flying shirt, which is frayed beyond belief. Wow. And it may be time to retire the flying shirt to keep part of it in my pocket. Yeah. You can sew it in. Yeah. That'll still work. I think something we have to do. Something. From Gary Van Gies, and love the flight attendant spilling water story. Of course, no one is buying it. Just one of the miseries getting older. You'll stick to that story, old man. Still love the show, though. From the Reverend Stephen Ewing in New Albany, Mississippi. As I was walking around Monday cleaning up limbs from the ice storm we experienced last week, I will trade you for all the snow creed you have. I was thankful to have your podcast back to keep me company. However, as I was listening with my phone in my pocket to your story about the young pilots you encountered on your flight, I initially heard you say pirates, not pilots. Obviously, I was a bit confused why pirates would be boarding your flight, but I shrugged it off and thought, well, it's a good thing he's an experienced ship captain. I'm sure he knew exactly how to handle a couple of unwanted scallywags. Thankfully, your flight was not hijacked by Jack Sparrow or Blackbeard. Oh, and Michael, if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis. Thanks, as always, for the laughs and good information. Do you want to explain that reference to people? No, we already did. This is him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy Madison. From Greg in New York City. Dear Captain Tony, you're the only person who gives an Oscar acceptance speech post-flight. I don't think astronauts returning from space give a diatribe like that upon landing. And finally, to the pilots who made this smooth flight possible, you love me. You really love me. Can we get Dan Byrne to play this guy? From Claire Natola. If you decide to embark on a series of day trips via air travel, you're more than welcome to visit Central Ohio. I'd be happy to pick you up at the airport in Columbus. We can grab lunch at the Hamburger Inn in my adopted hometown of Delaware, visit Reginald's Cousins at the Columbus Zoo, and go monitor the traffic in Galena firsthand. I bet we could talk Carla Corrado into joining us. That would sweeten the deal. Yes, it would. From Steve Miller. Not that Steve Miller in Heston, Pennsylvania. Michael. My grandson is three. Is it too soon for golf lessons? Also, should I invest in clubs for him now or wait a few more years? Any suggestions? No, get the kids clubs now. The captain uses his yard club, which is from Kids Golf. But if you go check out any of the big stores, PJ Tours, Superstore, Golf Galaxy, they'll have something that is age appropriate. Anything that's hybrid that they can get outside and hit a tennis ball with, I find pickleballs work really well with that age group. There's a PS. Do you think the trip to Florida is a preview of a move by your parents? You've encouraged that. I didn't think you were coming home. Well, you know. Bill Matfeld, Fort Mill, South Carolina. Being in the Charlotte area, I just received more snow in one day than the entire accumulation of all the snow that fell in the past nine years I have lived here. Oof. With this having been a once-in-a-lifetime event for most of the local people, it is understandable to hear all the complaints that come once the romance of snow wears off. This made me think of the mother of all snow events, which I'm sure Nigel remembers, and being unburdened by memory, you have probably forgotten. Do you remember how hard Boston got hit in 2015 when they had so much snow, they couldn't find places to put it all? I seem to recall them receiving somewhere close to 10 feet of snow in just a couple of months, none of it melting in between storms. That summer, my brother and I spent the 4th of July on Cape Cod, as we do from time to time. Our house is between Hyannis and Falmouth. So we would fly into Martha's Vineyard, spend an afternoon drinking at the various bars before taking the ferry to Falmouth. And is it Falmouth, right? Falmouth, yes. Yeah, where the family would pick us up with that gravity having become optional for us by that point. Before my memory decided to take a walk, we asked the bartenders, when did the snow finally melt? To which they said, last week. Literally the week before the 4th of July. The first day of summer, there was still snow on the ground. David Olson, Madison, Wisconsin. A few months ago, I emailed asking for instructions on how to have the real TK experience prior to my first trip to Long Island. In a few weeks, I'm heading to beautiful Binghamton, New York for another conference. So far, my agenda includes devouring numerous speedies, reuniting the original members of grass tracking down Wendy Schlesinger and climbing through a snack bar window keep the window open yeah what else do I need to add to the list I think that's I think that's pretty much it covered but enjoy it yeah and if you can play see if you can play at Binghamton Country Club lovely yeah yeah it's really nice but it's too cold yeah it's too cold yeah gonna be for a while um Scott Foster not the referee in Manchester Maine the woman to whom I'm related by mortgage and I went to Providence last weekend to visit my son and his girlfriend my son and I got talking about your podcast when his girlfriend suggested that he should be listening to books on Audible instead so he could learn something. That is when the woman I'm related to by mortgage jumped in saying, she says the same thing to me all the time. Just then my son speaks up and says, oh yeah? Did you know you can't pay your taxes by check anymore? I've never been so proud of it. Information for life. By the way, you can still. Still. The IRS is walking this one back. Yeah. Because I don't know. There's a hundred million people that do it that way. It's a win for us. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. All in on books on tape again. From Salvador Ortega and from Whittier, California. Now that you're flying again, I invite you for a round at Candlewood Country Club in Whittier, California. Whittier is where Richard Nixon went to school, isn't it? Yeah, yes, yes. But, and I emphasize but, I'm not a member there or anything like that, but I know a guy. My neighbor's backyard butts up to the green at hole four. So if you don't mind playing 14 instead of 18, we're solid. Don't worry about winter. That's just a concept we hear about in Southern California. The woman I'm related to by marriage, my non-mask and child, and I took my son to Disneyland to celebrate his fifth birthday this past Saturday. It was 85 degrees. Furthermore, I'm not sure if I'm using that correctly. I studied recreation and leisure services, after all. If not already taken, I would like to be the official parks and recreation professional of the Stinky Show. Parks and Rec, sure. Thanks for all the laughs and keeping me updated on the weather back in the DMV. Pat Patton, Hedgeville, West Virginia. Sorry, old sport, you buried the lead. When you walked into the Socialite's house in Florida, did you pull out a 50, slam it on the table and say, I'm turning up the air conditioner? Alan keeps it, you know, Alan keeps it fine. Yeah. Alan keeps it fine. I did borrow money from Alan. I have to write Alan a check. I borrowed money. But, you know, you have to have cash for caddies. What's the vig on that? You know. Oh, did you ask? I didn't even ask. And from John Pearson in Milwaukee, inspired by Tony's story on Monday's podcast, when I found myself with wet jeans, I also tried to blame it on a flight attendant, but unfortunately, nobody believed me. It probably didn't help that I wasn't on a plane. Get out on your bike, sign to everyone, as always. Do wear white. Cookie? Yeah. Cookie Googleman? Yeah. Does this ring a bell? I'm not wearing underwear. Bulge. Yeah, that's me. Bulge? Yeah. Get out of town. It's me. You look fantastic. Me too. Out and about, baby, out on the town Hitting every place and shutting them all down Not having a care sip, we'll hang around And everywhere I show my face, that's where I'm fine. Got no ties to reality. Hear no lies of immorality. Giving up on trying to please Everyone who don't do nothing for me See the big shots come and go Through a timeless revolving door I picked my number and I sat in line But I'm not waiting, wasting time See the people and their problems All the best that money can buy See the losers Do their damnedest Just tonight And always left outside Always get out Always get denied Always get Peace be with you My dearest of friends I believe We're coming to the end To all the days that you celebrate Tip a wine glass straight to the sky And all the best To the children All the best To the homeless, heartless, helpless Children of the night Say goodbye To the end of the day Silky angels In the clouds they all play In the clouds they play The trumpetters of Gabriel Blow their horns forever to the wind And all the best to the children All the best to the hopeless, homeless, helpless Children of the night Won't smile from late 11 For today One wrong step of hand And then we slip away Slip away Slip away Slip away No rest For the wicked and cruel Tis the end for the misbegotten fool And give the devil the humblest portion With a wink free no slippery glass eye And all the best to the children All the best to the children All the best To the hopeless, heartless, homeless Children of the night Children of the night