Deebo & Joe - Part 2: OBJ back to Giants? Travis Hunter expectations, NFL pushing for 18-game season

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Now, I will say this, I was a multiple sources that are on the board that 18 games ain't happening period. But I believe that to be 100 percent bullshit unless the NFL, P.A. is willing to be locked out in 2030. OK, now, if that's the case and you're willing to do that, your new NFL executive director should be telling his players from this year forward to save 30 percent this year so you can last 18 months of a lockout that'll give you what 120 percent of your yearly salary. So you should be able to do that. But I doubt that is happening. But that's what needs to happen. And if you're listening. New NFL, P.A. executive director, J.C. Tredder and current president, Jalen Maven, Jalen Reeves, Maven, you know, I hope you're looking at the history of what Jean Upshaw did and how the process was going to go and all that, you know. Now, if I were president, you know what I'm saying? I would. I would say when I traveled traveled negotiating tactic personally. You know how much you can get. It would not be without major changes. Roster size, minimum salary increases, which is going to raise the cap and longer healthcare benefits. Cause after you done playing dude, this game and that five years is up. Cause you only get five years of coverage once you're done playing. It is hard. What do you think Joe of a 18 game? You think that's good for football? I mean, I think what you said, if you keep it up for negotiating tactics, you can get, I mean, that's, that's, that's the tactic where we can be able to get as much as we possibly want, because that's what, what they want. You know what I'm saying? The owners and them, they want another game for sure. And you're saying, if we want to hold that up there as a tactic, you talk about getting as much as you possibly can and making sure just for the players like health benefits, all that stuff, the, the rosters size, making sure like that's something that if you want to get, we get one more game. There's so much that we can be able to really like get, you know what I'm saying? Because of that game, because that's the main thing they want. Cause they know that's going to bring the money. And for us health benefits, you can look at, and it could be a tactic where we can get as much as we possibly want. So, um, I, I don't think that we would be too, too, too much against it. Um, I'm thinking like, I heard something that they were looking like players can only play 17 games, would they keep it like little things like that? Just do you think that's a possibility? A possibility? No, no, they're not going to say it's 18 games. A player that's going to play 17, they're not going to do that. And that's something else like, yo, you want to move to 18 games. You want to cut out a, um, you know, you want to cut out a preseason game. Okay, cool. But you go, you, you go pay my guys for that extra regular season game. You're not just going to cut, they pay over 17 weeks like you did last time when you kicked the game to 17, you're going to increase another week of pay, whatever that basis for them right now. Okay. Under the current contract that they have guys that negotiate under 18 game schedules, they will have their spell 10 because they're negotiating under 18, not basically whatever their contracts are divided by 17 and whatever that number is at it, at it on. Yeah. Add it on. Add it on. Because if you're not ready and able to be locked off of 18. You are sitting in a no, I think that's, that's the one thing that you were saying to the next would be the next contract negotiation is the 2030. So like you said, starting right now is when he got to start telling them of stacking up that paper, like when you're making your money throughout the year, I think hopefully now that they cut it, did they break it up so you can make it throughout the whole year? Or did they still do it that you just get paid throughout the season? You get paid throughout the season. But what I'm saying, when you get your pay, you personally, as a responsible adult, fiduciary responsibility for yourself and your family, save 30% for show, for show, for show, 1000% 1000% Debo. 1000%. I was just asking how are they still getting this checks out? Because I'm like, they need to as a grown adult. No, like that's the dude's getting in. They looking crazy all the way till the end of the season. Like you said, it doesn't matter how it's kind of getting dispersed. You still have to save 30% whether you get it in four months or whether you get it in 12. Well, you're still going to get paid. You can pay your pay over the regular time. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying the season starts September. You start getting paid from there till, what is it? January now. Take 30% of what you paid there and save. I know, I know what you're saying. Next year, David, you know what I'm saying? We're not looking for checks coming from the NFL. The NFL PA is telling you to save your money so you can withstand 18 months. That's what he needs to be telling. I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, I'm the breakdown of the checks now though. They sometimes we can get paid throughout longer, like eight months instead of just the four months throughout the season. Oh, they do that now. Yeah. That's what I was saying. It kind of helped them out because when you're getting it through the season. Well, you don't want to do that because if you get it locked out, they're not going to continue. But no matter what, no matter when you get it, you still want to be able to save it. Because when you get locked out, that's you're not getting checks for that whole year at all. So we're saying the same thing. I'm just trying to say that they switched it up from just being that four month paid that you just get paid during the season where dudes are looking already like, dude, how are you looking crazy? You're getting that whole thing during this time. But you don't, it doesn't come in and go out. Like, what is your monthly expenses? You need to have that thing set up because you're not getting in. You know how it go. Debo, trust me. And that's why I was stating it like I was because I'm like, they got to save that. But you talking about dudes is trying to wait till next year. Like, man, when we start getting paid again, I'm like, damn, like, what do we mean? So there was nothing like you just went through the whole trying to do, you know, you got anything I could do an appearance, a sign in or something, you know, talk to the team so I could get the rent, pay all this. I'm like, damn, bro, I made 60, I made 60,000 last for almost two years. And when practice squad, while I was sitting in and out going through, you know, NFL, Europe and all that. I'm like, y'all boys running through how much? Ooh, we, but like I said, when I started actually getting some money, my first contract, if it came in, I spent it. You know what I'm saying? I ain't really stopped and be like, yo, I got to save something. My thing was like, yo, I'm going to run it till it go. When then, when it go, it go. And then I get a regular job and I had my son and I was like, Oh my God. If I get it, I stack it. I invested. And that's, and that's what I did brother. Like from that second contract, that is what I do. They just don't, don't know they go and not even get a house, just go rent and cribs and not buy a house. You just need to, you know what I'm saying? So when you get out of there, you have a place to lay your head. You've written all these big old cribs and 20,000 a month like that. You're just blowing money. You giving that money to the owner to do the owner's house is getting your check. He's paying, take care of mortgage and talking something. And like, it ain't number 20,000. You know, I'm pulling in a hundred and you know, I'm pulling in a hundred and 30, 140 years. Saved as a penny. No, every, every two weeks or something. You know what I'm saying? I'm good. No, bro. Next thing you know that next year, that next contract you think is going to come. And it don't. You're like, yeah, I'm going to do this, do this, do this, do this. Cause my next time, next contract that, but I get that one. Then that's when I'm a dude. How many dudes you don't hear the next contract coming and don't get it. You better just act like this your last one right now. No question. Travis Hunter. So they said whenever Travis Hunter, you know, he had the injury. Whenever he's clear to return to practice this spring, he will be spending more time on each side taking reps on both sides of the ball. They said a change from his rookie season where he spent a balk of the OTAs and many camps on offense, Hunter will be coming off season with the knee injury, of course. And when he is medically clear to return to OTAs, they go have him going both ways. Joe, do you think this is a smart move for them to do when he's just getting cleared to cover? I don't think it's part of the whole. Why not Joe? Why not? We already seen my man. He's, I love Travis Hunter. And now I'm realizing to at the end of the day, NFL game is different than the college game. I thought it was going to be the one to let him play both sides of the ball. I need him to, for me, I want him to find his craft, get him a spot, get good at the craft, try to become an all pro, all pro bowler, because he has the skills to do it. I think receiver and or DB. But if you don't put him in one position where he can really like go thrive, really just study, take, really try to be the best that he can be. 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So we wouldn't think he was one of the best corners in the league. Receiver, cool. Okay. All right. You know what I'm saying? He's just kind of not a guy, but just okay. And I think Travis Hunter is way better than okay. I think he has the ability to be one of the best players at corner and or maybe something. I don't know. I think receiver here still be really solid. But for me, I think he could be a top flight cornerback in the NFL. Like his ball skills, the way Patrick Sartan and I say Stingley, the way that they move and the way that they have ball skills, the way that they can look like receivers at DB. That's what he reminds me of. Patrick Peterson, just with the ball skills, the speed, the being able to contour his body, that athleticism is a lot of receivers kind of have it. But when you're at the cornerback position, that's what makes you special. Being able to turn over the ball, being able to track the ball, being able to, I'm not, he's not holding. No, he's looking at the ball when it's in the air. He's going to go master receiver and turn into the wide receiver. Like that is a skill set that not too many corners have. They're trying to break up the ball and they're just more, just make sure he doesn't catch it. Travis Hunter is trying to pick the ball off. He's trying to turn it over. I think that's like what makes Deion in those great corners so much better. They're not just making PBU's, they're getting picks. So for me, I'm looking at it like he can be elite at corner. He's amazing player, but it's just, you don't, you don't, you want, I want him to focus on something, get really great to where he can be setting the next contracts. I'm looking at him like, what do you want to pay him as? Like a, to saw, okay, corner, you want a receiver? It's just looking at, for me, you need to be, you can be okay at everything or you're going to be great at something. And I think he could be great at cornerback just with his skills and being able to literally lock in, start studying tape, knowing what's going on, not just playing off his athletic ability. So I think if you just put him in that corner, um, he's not that big either. Like he's not the biggest guy. I mean, I, I can see them putting him in a little bit on offense, just sprinkles, but mostly for me, I'm having him at defense. Yeah. I'm, I'm 100% against it, but I'm 100% against it because of the, the health issue. You and I both know and understand that being cleared is a whole lot different than being back to 100% and coming off of a major surgery, the real list thing of it is you're not back to a normal 100% for what? 12, 18 months, sometimes a little more where you're back to, I'm not thinking about it. I'm not feeling anything. I'm not, you know, worried about it, you know, giving out and you're not putting a whole bunch of extra, you know, pressure on the other, you know, on the other body parts when it comes to other muscles. So I'm worried about the risk of re-injury or injuring something else because your body is going to automatically try and compensate to protect that knee and putting more workload on other muscles and ligaments. So I say that simply out of a health, you know, a health and recovery standpoint. Yeah. That's, you know, that's just where I see it. The only way I see it being something that maybe they could possibly do is if the reps that he would take on both sides of the ball equal what it would be as far as being just one side of the ball. So you lower the risk of injury while still getting him, you know, to be able to play on both sides, but also again, I think if you do that, you to defeat the purpose of having him on both sides of the ball, he doesn't get the time needed on both sides to be able to play the position at his highest level. You know, and you're back in the same position as they were, you know, last year. Yep. I'm with you, Debo. I mean, I think he's great. Great player. You know what I'm saying? I just think that they need to get him in there. And you said too, if they want to play him full time on defense, just splitting this time of office, making sure the reps are kind of the same. I'll be with it. I know they, if you need, he's, he's explosive. So I'm not mad at Jacksonville, wanting to get another playmaker. So just wanting him to be on the offside of the ball, but me personally looking at his skill set, I just think he could be in the lead cornerback. Yeah. Yeah. I just helped him when that's the only thing I'm, I'm with you. John Hardball, he confirmed that the team has a, has discussed a potential reunion with free agent wide receiver, Odell Beckham, Jr. saying if Odell is an option, then we'll be looking at him for sure. Yo, you think Odell can still be effective in the NFL. I think he could. I mean, I'm, I've seen him. He looked, he looked still explosive. Um, I don't think he'd be, he'd be a number one. I think he'd be a legitimate, he's still got the hands. He's still got the vertical. He could still run fast. Um, and I think it would be a great spot for him to finish his career. Started off in New York. I think it would be a nice, like not just a good story. They do have a league neighbors there. If he comes back healthy, another LSU guy, Odell's not a bad player having him at number two, but there wouldn't be bad. I think they, oh, I mean, not, not two or three. They still, they still need another, they still, they still need another receiver. But I think my league neighbors having Odell as your, uh, like we had feeling with the, um, with the Steelers, like not going to do too much crazy, but still going to be able to catch the ball, slot, still quick, secure hands. You know what I'm saying? So I think it wouldn't be a bad, wouldn't be a bad spot to go. Yeah. I believe it comes down to what the, the term of effect of this, you know what I'm saying? As far as what role they want him to play on this, because he's not going to be the Odell that was there, you know, the first time he was with the giants, you know, like it ain't no way, they know where in hell that's happening. But I feel like if he can be a third option, depending on if he's willing to take that or the pay, that would be a third option one and two accept the role. Then he can be affected. So if he has a realistic expectation of his current abilities and willing to accept that role, yeah, I think he could sell it that, but I'm, I'm putting him at the third. Are we speaking the same thing? I think Odell's realistic with where, you know what I'm saying? Where his, how many teams is knocking on the door, you know what I'm saying? Where he, if he wants to still continue to play in the league, you know what I'm saying? And then it's just a, I think that he would be able to be a solid three end. And then just being in New York, I think that it would just be sweet. Be sweet. I said, yeah, that would be a, that'd be a nice, what they call it a swan song. Nice, a nice boat. Wrapping onto that, to the end of his end of his or with him, him, there with dark. Did he play last year? I don't know. Yeah, I gotta see. Let's see what we got. Cracking in the super chats, bro. Super chat. Covenant life is back. Covers. $5. $5. His name is country club will hire of the Pittsburgh stillness. Let's go. This young man can ball and he will hit back. And I love it. I'm great with that. I like coming life. But what country club? I don't like the country club. That ain't Pittsburgh ain't country club. Like we ain't, that sounds soft, right? I'm not mad at country club. I'm mad at country club. Big Ben was at the country club. He's he's understand, but his name being country club. They call you country club. Joe Hayden. Huh? Now I'm listening, right? If he go out there, ball and call, they call you, they call you, they call you still mill Joe Hayden. That sounds good. OK, we got a look, we got to think. Look, Covenant life, you got to think of something just country club will Howard. I'm not mad because I'm a golfer, but Debo, he feels some type of way. What what what, bro, what golfer you know that you have any fear of? But I don't I don't fear nobody. That's first and foremost. What what golfer would you think had a chance of beating you up? John only one, probably John wrong. Maybe. We're going to have to see. That's that's what I'm saying. Like, like what about D. Chambal the shambles? Nope. The shambles. Nope. OK. Oh, OK. I just want to I did. Liam ninety eighty seven five dollars. Said it can't hurt to give will another year to learn behind Aaron. Yeah, it cannot hurt, but I think it was slowest process. I mean. And then then then again, they're going to have another fight next year is going to be when will Howard then we going to need to draft another quarterback because it's not going to be Aaron Rodgers. It's going to be this same story until we get him out there to either see if he can go or not play him. And then, you know, that's that's just if we get him, I still need to see him reps of the wine. I want I want time split. We know Aaron. He don't need a lot of practice. We want to see what he can do. Yes. Yeah, I want I want I want time. I'm going to rep split at least to give him connection with the ones, you know, in timing, everything that that would be a big thing. Coming to life back again, five dollars from the question yesterday, my player picks would be the stillers 2009 defense move Aaron Smith and give me Justin Tuck, but in New York Giants. Oh, oh, no, she trim. Oh, what was the one yesterday? We were supposed to do the teams. Well, give me oh, give me your Browns team, bro, your defense, please. See, I got some I got some old players, though. We had to go back when we want to go back to 62. It was man. It was back in the day. 46 to 53 when we won the championships back in the day. The brown fl. Yes. Yep. And then we switched over to the NFL for a couple of my play. Let's see how many let's see how many names people know of what you said. Okay. I did say NFL, but they play in NFL to get both. Yep. Okay. First one. I'm a go Bill Willis. What position defense alignment college football hall of fame. And he's an NFL Hall of Fame. 1977 NFL all decades 1940s. Hey man, stop trying to give me accolades. I want to see if people know the name. Just give me the name. Okay. We got Lin Ford from DC. Defensive in. We got Michael Dean Perry. Y'all let me know if y'all know any of the names. Little brother, little brother. Let me know, please. We are the other browns fans out there. I know it's very few. We got Clay Matthews, Jr. Linebacker. I give you clay. I give you clay. Okay. We got Hanford Dixon, the original dog. I give you Dixon. Original dog. I give you Dixon. First round. Yes sir. Okay. All right. I met him. We got the other his they will rank the second best duo in NFL history for corners. Him and my man, Frank Menafield, Hanford Dixon, Frank Menafield, the establishes of the dog pound. Okay. We got Miles Garrett. They are present time. No question. Okay. I give you him. And because when and then I put I honestly I put who else I put there. I put I put me. I put me there because I'm putting because of the cornerbacks. I got I got my man Hanford Dixon. He might be playing like some some safety force, but I got I got I got you me. I got you there. And then I got one more live player that's playing right now. I got the quail Jackson linebacker. I'm going to go to quail Jackson from the crib. I know you know DQ. Okay. Okay. I'm going to go DQ. Yeah. And then I'm going to go with one more present player. I'm going to go with Denzel Ward. I'm going to Denzel Ward because we're going to have Hanford play the safety. One of the safeties. We're going to have Frank Menafield play the slot. We're going to have me and Denzel play outside. I mean, you're doing a lot. Okay. So now give me your other team to still it's no, no, no, no, you go. Let me get you mine. I give you mine. I give you mine. All right. Obviously we play a three-four. Okay. Okay. I already told you Casey Hampton, the coldest nose to everything. Okay. I'm going to put he's going to go with Mike. He going with my man, Michael being penny. Okay. He going at the nose. Okay. I'm going to take Joe Green and LC Greenwood and put them at my hands. Okay. Okay. We will. I will. You know what I'm doing with the inside. Who you going inside? I'm putting both Jacks there. Lambert and Ham. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yep. You know what I'm doing on the outside? Cause I like, I like, I like aggressive, gross, nasty. They fear Kevin Green and Greg Lord on the outside. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Keep going. Listen. Listen. What you going to do? Who your corners? Who your corners? Corners. Male, blunt and Rod Woodson. Okay. That's okay. Yep. Yep. All right. I'm not going to do it. Know who I'm going to safety? Troy Malu and Donnie Shell. Troy Malu and Donnie Shell. Hey, it's over with. I ain't have to explain none of them names. I ain't have to explain none of them names. That's a good squad. That's a good squad. Give me your still a squad, Joe. No, man. I just wrote down my Brown squad cause I knew he was going to have the still a squad. You ain't replacing nothing then, right? Only person. So Troy going to be the safety and then I'm going to have... I might go. Troy safety. Corners. Male, blunt and Rod. I'm Frank and... Half of the Frank. But I'm not moving none of them. No, Rod Woodson is 77. I'm talking about for my still a lineup. We going to do the history one next. We going to do the inner play history next. For, yeah, for... I'm putting... Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme TJ Watt at one of the ends. No gloss, no filter. Just stories. Spoken without fear. Addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the sub-CD hutchaker. Reach the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker, I've fallen down again. Yeah, I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. Who you taking out? Not me. Outside linebacker. You gotta take out one on outside linebacker. Okay, which one? Pooja outside linebackers? Kevin Green, Greg Lloyd. Let me read one. Somebody gotta go. Which one are you moving? You're not moving either one? I told you my lineup, bro. Now if I had to choose one, Kevin Green got 160. 160. Okay, Kevin Green got 160. Gee, Lloyd, I like the demeanor. Nasty. How many you got? Okay, that, I ain't 100% sure. So if I had to replace one just because you want to better that tone, I'd go TJ. Okay. I think honestly, from your list, the only person that I would probably replace would be TJ. I think your list, your corners and your safety, there's nothing to be said. Your whole team is fire. Your whole team is fire. No question, bro. Give me your all defense. Because y'all do a full three, right? Yep. Okay, give me your all. NFL history defense, the one that you say go run that thing. 17-0. Okay. Bruce Smith. Okay. Miles Garrett. Bruce Smith. Miles Garrett. Okay. Middle of my defense, my middle line back of Ray Lewis. Okay. My corners is going to be Deion Sanders. And I'm going to go Charles, Charles Woodson. Okay. I'm going to go Troy and Ed at my safeties. You biting my shit. Bro, I'm just out here telling you the best, the best, the best to do it. So, you know, if you think. A lot of AFC North right there, ain't no Browns in there. Go ahead. Charles, Ray, Miles, Bruce. I'm going to go sap at my nose. What I'm missing. You gave me your corners. You gave me your, you gave me, y'all only do three linebackers. You only gave me one. All right, Ray Lewis. I'm going to go. Y'all do two tackles in two ends. You ain't got no nose. All right. So tackle, tackle still going to be sap. Stackle still going to be sap. Yeah. Who your linebackers besides Ray? Oh, man. What's my man? Patrick Willis. Okay. And Luke Keekley. Luke Keekley. Okay. All right. So I don't have to give you mine. Of course, this is a three four. Okay. I told you my nose is him. Okay. One day. Now I told you I'm putting, I'm putting Mr. Green on the end. You know who else I'm throwing that? Reggie White. Okay. That's okay. I know that's why I did. Hey, you know who I got on the outside, right? Lawrence Taylor and Kevin Green. Ah. I see. I think I'm, I think I called. I meant when I said Bruce Smith, I meant Lawrence Taylor. I meant Lawrence Taylor. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. You can't admit nothing now. Listen here, man. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to put Ray on the inside with guess who? Who? Mike Singleton. Oh, I told you my defense could be nasty. Disrespectful. I need my corners to lock it down. I'm going to go ahead and see what Reavis Island doing with Dionne Sanders. Okay. So I just went with Charles and you were Reavis. And I was saying Ed Reed and Troy, but I like, I like Ed for those I-N-T's. I love Troy, but I want a little bit of a nastier demeanor. Give me Ronnie Locke. I can respect that. Just because you talked his whole thing. Just because he, you talk about a savage team. You got fingers, don't need them. That's very sad. Singletary, savage. Can't win one. Can't do it. Won't do it. Won't do it. Refuse it, dude. Singletary. Wild man. You got the crash. You got the crash. Let's go ahead, baby. Now my squad is five, baby. It's just, it's ridiculous. You know, your squad I was trying to think, yeah. My squad was five. I just messed up. I mean, I know disrespect the Bruce Smith, but I got, I meant LT. Like I said, like I said, it's okay, man. It's okay. It's okay. We got Liam back $5 with the first pick in the 2027 NFL draft, the Cleveland Brown select. Who Joe? With the first pick in the draft, the Cleveland Brown. Point 27 though. This is next year. Oh, 2027. You don't get it. No, cause you trying to say, we picking a quarterback. No, they're saying you're the first pick. You're picking first. What does that mean? We lost a lot of games. You lost the most. Dang. That's funny. 32 with 32, baby. Ain't no way we got the first pick. Yeah. Listen, man, it's okay. Joe, he ain't gonna have the first pick. That's crazy. Quick. Hey, Liam, appreciate that quick. 201 $10 said, Hey, D born Joe. What about a certain NFL scout from the stillers whose son is going to be in the draft this year? I predict we will get him in the third round initials. I T who is that? I don't know, coach. You got to tell me who that is quick. I don't know who that is. Yeah. Coming to life back five. I covered it. Steve from the chat said the Browns will win the division for years to come if they pick Shador if they protect your door. Sorry if they protect your door. Steve, please go back to sleep and dream on facts. Go back to sleep. You know something. Keep the man standing up right. And let's see. Let's see what I'm gonna say. Steve, leave the drugs alone, man. If you want to keep a job out of it, you go one lead. Stop playing with me. Watch. Wait till y'all see when the Browns start putting up some points, the defense ain't never been nowhere. They still there. They're not going nowhere. Score ain't never been nowhere. They forgot how to stop the run. Anyway, coming to life back with $10. She said, Joe, when you look at your brothers, when you look at your brother, Joe, who is Josh, Josh's face in the crowd after a game. Does it ever remind you that your biggest win in life have nothing to do with the scoreboard? Yes. You are a great big. Oh, thank you. Covered it life. Thank you. My brothers mean everything to me. I had a little talk with them dudes yesterday talking about the Jordan two and a half. I was always talking, chopping with my brothers, making sure they good. I am my brother's keeper. Thank you. Covered it. Who is IT? I'm still trying to figure out IT. I even Taylor. I even ain't in the draft this year. He just got to high school like two years ago. I mean college two years ago. He didn't even know. You got one more year in. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know who I tool is. If not last year. If he talking about Ivan. If he's talking about see cover the life said though, he goes that will Howard say he goes to the country club a lot. He's an avid golfer. So we might I mean it only is fitting. It's okay. I don't like the name. I still don't like it. I ain't gonna. I'm not mad at it. Ben went to the country club. Let's call him country. They ain't calling country club being they caught him big Ben. Country club will Howard get out of here. Joe, I'm not going with you on this covenant life. Like again, man. $10. She said when the lights are off and the 92 Jersey is tucked away. What is the one thing you want your sons to remember about your character that has absolutely nothing to do with football? Hmm. What is something I want my kids to remember about my kids? It's nothing that I need them to remember about my character to be honest with you. Like they see it. I sure to him every day. Never give up. Never surrender. When they say you can't do it. Just listen to it and prove they asked wrong. Hey, it ain't nothing that you can't do as long as you don't tell yourself you can't do it. Self doubt is a killer. Mike and Mike 100. $5. What up, D-Bo and Joe? If I was part of PA. We can go. If I was part of the PA is what I'm saying. We can go for for 18 games. If NFL removed franchise tax. Hell no. No. No. That's not enough. That ain't enough. That's why you're gonna be a couple of people getting them jobs. You trip. Hey, that that and. That and for sure. What else? Okay, Brown suck. 099 back $20. I love saying that. Love saying that. Joe by V what? Be honest. J by. I don't know. J by V only be honest. Is you. Joe. All right. Be honest. The first put on the black. J by B. Oh. Hold up. When you first put on the black and gold. Let me see the question. When you first put on the black and gold. Did you had to spend the first week apologizing to your closest. To your closest for all the Cleveland Brown. To your closet. To your closet. To your closet. To all the brown and orange. Or did you just burn the old get. No. So I put my stuff in a memory box. I boxed it up. I put it in the storage. You know, because I know I did not burn it because I knew. I knew that I knew the time will pass. I knew the feelings will pass. You know, I was hurt at the moment. I was, I was slow to react. I didn't burn it all. Just packed it all up. Just some of the storage facility. Hey, Joe, listen, they burned my shit. No, they burned everything up. And now I get people asked me, Hey, where can I get your jerry? I said, did you burn the last one you had? See, that's what I'm saying. It was they didn't go kind of crazy. It didn't. I didn't burn my stuff. Rear, coming to life back again, $20. She said, we had training from Donnie Shell at the women's stillers camp, okay? It was good. Signed football picture with him and my husband put it in his office and didn't even know who he was shaking my head. Go please get Troy on the show. We go try, we go see what we can do. The damn's we're gonna see what we can do. I think that's it right there, right? We good? We good. Look here, man. We wanna thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download the show. Yo, we will see you on Friday, same time, same place. No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. 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