Breaking News: Russia Will Nuke Germany & the UK if Ukraine War Continues, Warns Top Putin Advisor

Well, there's a lot going on tonight around the world, certainly here in the United States, but foreign policy has got to be the headline tonight. And in order, here's what's happening. We're awaiting what look like imminent strikes on Iran. I have no idea actually whether those will happen or not, but all signs indicate something is coming. And certainly momentum is in that direction, and events tend to follow momentum, almost independently of the judgment of people who are in charge. So it looks like we will be striking Iran or doing something there, a, b, it looks like the United States will be taking Greenland from Denmark, which sort of owns it. There are pictures this afternoon of a kind of sad looking Danish president or king or a mere potentator, whatever runs Denmark. Oh, how the Scandinavians have been diminished. Leaving the White House looking kind of sad. So looks like the news has been delivered to him. Sorry, no more Denmark for you. Nuck is now an American protectorate. And then of course there's Venezuela. Venezuela, as you well know, was changed. It was regime change sort of shortly after New Year's by the Trump administration and then leader Nicholas Maduro and his wife were extradited. Some say kidnap and moved to New York. They'll be put on trial. We are told. And so there's that. And that country and the rest of the world are trying to figure out like what are the implications of this and what happens to Venezuela next. You have those top three. And of course you pray sincerely and you hope and sometimes you tell yourself that everything is going to be completely fine and it may be completely fine. By the way, we don't know any differently. But you also assess downside risk. What are the potential downside risks without getting into too much detail? Of course they exist. There's downside risk in every human action. And in the case of a strike on Iran, you know, the country could fall apart and become Libya, which is kind of a big deal given its geographic location, given its energy reserves and given the region. You could see Iran strike out at Israel, for example, to such an extent with conventional weapons that the iron dome, the fabled iron dome does not protect Israel's two largest cities and a lot of Israelis get killed. You could see that for sure. That's not a crazy thing to worry about. You could also see attacks against energy infrastructure in the Gulf right across the water from Iran, the six Gulf countries that produce a lot of the world's energy oil and gas. And you could see those taken out. That's possible. They have air defenses in their energy facilities. But how good are they? We don't know we could find out. And if that happened, you would see an oil shock, which would lead to a global economic shock of unknown proportions, but that's never good. In Greenland, what are the downsides of taking Greenland? Well, you establish a precedent that if I have the power, I get to take what I want. That's always been enforced. That's human nature. We've constructed a kind of elaborate series of rules, theoretical rules designed to pretend that's not true and to mitigate it to some extent over the last 80 years. But really, that's always been true and always will be true. But that's a pretty tough game. Once you write the rules that if someone can take something because they want it, it's okay. You have to live with them. NATO will effectively be done. How can you have a defensive alliance when one member acts against another? Probably can't. NATO is going out anyway. Is it really bad that NATO is going away? No, it's a huge victory for the world, for the United States. But it's going to be tough for its many employees and for the entire infrastructure of foreign policy thinkers, such as they are in Washington and Brussels and throughout Europe. They're going to have to face the reality that this is not a real thing anymore. If NATO was real, then the US wouldn't have taken Greenland. So there's that, apparently, a downside. And then in Venezuela, the downside is obvious. You could have chaos. You could have a black hole. You could have a migrant crisis. Once again, the energy infrastructure could be destroyed. You could see a move against the government that we effectively left in place. Sort of weird to think that a lot of people in Washington are rooting for Delcy Rodriguez, apparently the head of state now, who's an accolade of Hugo Chavez, but she also represents stability. And at this point, stability is what people want most. So those are the kinds of things that people who think about this stuff for a minute are concerned about, maybe not panic, but definitely concerned. But none of those concerns comes even close to what's happening in Eastern Europe, what's happening between Russia and Ukraine. Russia, and prepare yourselves because this is the global headline. Russia is actively considering the use of nuclear weapons against Europe, not against Kiev against Europe, specifically the UK and Germany, just taking out the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons. That's a fact. Now we're going to explain why we know that that's true in a moment. And at the end of this open, we're going to play an interview. We did a few hours ago with a man called Sergey Karin Agov, who is a longtime political advisor to Vladimir Putin and one of the most famous public intellectuals in Russia, been around for about 35 years, advised Boris Yeltsin, you know, 30 years ago, more than 30 years ago. And in that interview, he says point blank, yes, if the Ukraine war continues at this tempo for a year or two more, we, speaking apparently on behalf of the Russian government, on behalf of his friend Putin, or at least someone who's very familiar with President Putin's thinking, we, Russia, will eliminate the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons. Now that's a headline. No one wants to see Katari gas well heads blown up. No one wants to see killing of any kind or destruction of any kind. But taking out the two most important countries in Europe, both of which have big American bases, lots of American personnel, international banking, Germany being the economic engine of Europe, London being the banking center of Europe, really of the West, along with New York. And of course, these are two ancient countries with which we have close ties, history and kinship and genetics. We're going to take them out. We're going to eliminate those countries, nuclear weapons, saying that right into camera. So that's a pretty big story. Have you read that story? Has anyone mentioned that to you that the most famous public intellectual in Russia, a close friend of Vladimir Putin's exactly the same age, the two were born a month apart, I've known each other a long time, he's saying in public that Russia plans to use nuclear weapons against Western Europe, Russia is going to blow up the UK and Germany if things don't get resolved soon. You probably haven't heard that. It hasn't actually been on the front page of the New York Times. I don't think the times of London has mentioned it. No one seems to be paying any attention at all to the biggest story of our lifetimes potentially. And that's very odd. And it's not just one guy who's friends with Putin who's saying this. If you watch carefully or not even carefully with one eye open at what Russia's been doing recently, things are changing. So Russia has publicly rewritten its nuclear strategy to include use of nuclear weapons against countries that are acting as proxies for nuclear armed powers. Now this is kind of classic Russian bureaucratic talk, but it means that under Russian law, Russia is permitted to by its own rules blow up Germany, even though Germany does not have nuclear weapons, UK supposedly does, one who's hands the ring. But Germany does not have nuclear weapons and Russia has just said, no, you're fair game for a nuclear strike. And not a so not a defensive nuclear strike. You launched us, we're going to launch against you. No, you keep poking us in the face and we're going to eliminate you. So that publicly. And then last week, a week ago, I think a week ago today, Russia sent hypersonic missiles into Kiv, into Kiv Ukraine. Now the hypersonic missiles killed probably four people. This was not an attack designed to destroy important infrastructure or to cause massive civilian casualties. This was an attack designed as a message. And the Russians just said this point blank. This was an attack designed to say, whoa, you've pushed this too far. We feel like our core interests or existential interests are threatened. And if you don't back off, the next hypersonic missile we send against which no country has any meaningful defense, can't stop a hypersonic missile. No one has even claimed that you can. The next one will have a nuclear warhead on it and it's coming at you Europe. So let's just think this for a second. Why would Russia, which is supposedly in this bitter war against Ukraine, being backed up by NATO and the US, etc., etc., but they're fighting Ukraine over territory. Why would Russia be threatening Europe? Because the Russians, whatever their faults, don't lie to themselves as aggressively as we do. And the Russians are saying out loud what is absolutely true about this war, which is it's a proxy war. It is not a war between Russia and Ukraine and it never has been. And nothing that's happened in Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union 35 years ago has really been about Ukraine. There has been a global scramble to control Ukraine. Russia has land, its resources. There are other reasons people want to control Ukraine that are not directly related to land or resources that have to with history. But in any case, non-Ukranians have been calling the shots in Ukraine for 35 years. That's what Meydan was. That's what the coup, the US back coup, was. None of this had anything to do with Ukraine. What's best for Ukraine? We're going to make Ukraine a sovereign nation. The opposite has happened. Ukraine has less sovereignty. Ukraine is more of a puppet. And Ukraine has suffered more than maybe any country and earth over the last four years. Now why? Well, we'll get into that. 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And by the way, if you just want to prove the point, how many Ukrainians have been killed in this war paid for by the West? Paid for by NATO in Joe Biden. No one knows. Hundreds of thousands obviously has depopulated the country, but nobody cares. And you would think that if we're waging a war on behalf of the freedom seeking people of Ukraine, if we love the Ukrainians so much that we're willing to send them hundreds of millions of dollars and our best CIA targeters and willing to put bio labs in their country to defend them from Russian aggression, you would think if we love them that much, we might keep a tally of how many of them have been killed in the prime of life on the flat landscape of Ukraine. But of course, no one's keeping score because nobody cares. The people running this war on the western side have zero interest in what it costs Ukraine. None because it was never about them in the first place. And now to the promised clip, this was shot about 10 years ago. We just saw it. And it's amazingly instructive piece of videotape. Now you will see and you will recognize immediately the Hungarian man on the left that would be Mr. George Soros, one of the world's most successful financiers. I think he sees euphemistically described a guy who's bet against national currencies, really done nothing to make the world a better place or to improve the lives of individuals has only soon chaos and hatred and violence. Really for the length of his professional life, for whatever reason, whatever motive might be animating him. He is on the left on the right is a woman called Christian Freeland. Now she's not Ukrainian either. She's from Canada, she's from Alberta, Canada. She spent the bulk of her career as a journalist working for Reuters and other news organizations, news organizations like that both in London and in Washington where we spent quite a bit of time with her. And then she became the deputy prime minister of Canada under Justin Trudeau. She's an economic poohba and if you're interested in how well she did, well you can just look up facts about the current state of the Canadian economy, not very well. But here's the interesting thing. Just recently, Christian Freeland, who again is not a product if you shouldn't drop in Ukraine, she grew up in Canada and lived in London and Washington. Christian Freeland is somehow working for president, unelected president Zelensky in Ukraine himself is not really that Ukrainian. Grapes speaking Russian. He's a citizen of the world like she is, like they all are. But she's now an unpaid economic advisor to Ukraine, unpaid. Right. Okay. They're diffiing up the natural resources of a country they know will soon collapse with no regard for the people who've been killed, of course. But here is Christian Freeland and George Soros 10 years ago talking about Ukraine and in so doing, giving the game away. Watch this. Yeah. And I will just offer my own personal testimony here. It's actually amazing in Ukraine, the new Ukrainian government, the new Ukrainian leadership. Everyone who I know in that group has been touched somehow by open society and by sort of like literally either people personally got a scholarship or someone, you know, their wife got a scholarship. It's a really remarkable thing. Well, this is for me quite an experience to see this and I didn't realize actually how big an effect it has had over a 25 year period because those were students, 25 years later, they were leaders. Everybody she knows in Ukrainian leadership says, Christian Freeland, everybody has taken money from George Soros or their wives have taken money from George Soros. Everyone running the country is actually employed by this Hungarian billionaire who's got nothing to do with the country. Oh, no one would admit that now. That's a conspiracy theory. But George Soros smiled and took credit for it. Of course, we had no idea how successful we were. Successful of what? What was the plan here? We put everybody in a country's leadership on your payroll to what end? What are you trying to achieve? Well, I guess we could debate what Soros' motives were at the time, but we don't need to because as we know, the purpose of a system is its outcome. Over time, we don't have to guess about why certain people or certain organizations exist. We can instead look at what they do. We can judge the tree by its fruit. And the current state of Ukraine was clearly the point all along. Destroy the country, depopulate it. Change the laws that prevent foreigners from buying its natural resources. It's a land, some of those fertile farmland in the world. Huge tracks of it. It's an enormous country. It's a huge country in Europe. Also the weakest and the most corrupt. Many people doing this had ancestors in Ukraine, so there were very much as a sense that wait a second. You know, this is ours too. Christopher Island, head ancestors from Ukraine. A lot of people involved in making policy about Ukraine, head ancestors in Ukraine. And so there is a kind of entitlement that you see on display. No, no, this is an interest. Of course, we have a right to weigh in on this. But not for the benefit of the Ukrainians. Really all of this is about taking what once belonged to the country they claim they loved and using that country in order to defeat its much larger neighbor, which is the real prize. Russia. And this has been true for over a hundred years, for hundreds of years. How many times have Europeans tried to invade Russia? A few. Napoleon tried. Why does everyone want to invade Russia? It's far away. It's freezing. No one ever succeeds in doing it. It's like Afghanistan or Yemen. Not a long track record of victory. Outside forces taking control. There are a few peoples around the world that are tough to beat history suggests. And the Russians are at the top of that list. So why do people keep trying? Well, in a word, resources. That's why Russia is unimaginably large, literally unimaginable. Most people in the West haven't imagined how large Russia is. Russia is larger than China and India put together. You combine the land mass of China so big you can barely get your head around it and India almost as big and together they're smaller than Russia. Siberia itself is about the size of the continental United States and they're like 10 million people living there. In Russia, there are about 140 million something like that. In all of Russia. Meanwhile Russia has the deepest energy reserves in the world. Some of the highest uranium enrichment in the world. It is by some measures the most gold in the world. Silver, boxite for aluminum, timber by far the largest timber reserves in the world, which people still need by the way. Gold for paper, dimensional lumber for building, people still need trees. And Russia has more than any other place, primarily in Siberia, but not just in Siberia. And of course, farmland and agricultural products, fertilizer, wheat. Russia has as much or more than anyone and very few people. So the promise of access to Russian resources and space and land has been a siren that has called invaders for centuries and no judgment by the way you can see why. If Greenland is a prize, what is Russia? The biggest prize of all and you saw this attitude on display the moment the wall fell. And repacious foreigners, mostly bankers moved into Russia and stripped it. And they were helped along by a lot of unscrupulous indigenous Russians. It wasn't just outsiders who did it. Some Russian oligarchs did it to their own people, but the fact is a small group of people denuded the country, looted it. And unfortunately this always plays out in exactly the same way. It's not enough to loot. You have to take everything and drive everyone else into despair, hopelessness and poverty. And that's exactly what happened. 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Everyone else has forgotten that, ignores it. He kicked the oligarchs out. He brought him to his side. You can't act independently of the national interest. You can become a billionaire, but some of it has to go to the country. And that was spun in the west as cartel behavior. He's the mafia boss. Okay, fine. He's the mafia boss. But the real answer to the question, did it work or not? Is obvious, not just in the numbers, but in the state of the country, the visible state of the country now versus 25 years, what's completely different place. It's no longer a bouton. It's not Africa. By some measures, it's much richer than any country in Western Europe. In fact, by every measure it is. By every single measure. Is it richer than Spain? Is it richer than the UK? Oh, yeah. Much. So, that is both tempting to elites from around the world. Wait a second. 140 million Russians get all this stuff. We should have some too. But it is also an indictment of their leadership. If you're Boris Johnson and your ancestors ruled the waves, ruled the British Empire, and your country is a kind of sad or do you speaking museum now? That's insulting. Really? The Russians? Those weird half-slavic, I mean, they dominate world chess. Like, really, they're not really white. And how are they doing so well? This is outrageous. It is an indictment of your own leadership. And in countries across Europe, the leaders feel that way. Russia is an embarrassment to them because it is relatively speaking, thriving. And so, they all, as one, backs the Biden administration's plan to have a war with Russia. And let's stop lying. This has not an unprovoked invasion. Putin just randomly went over the line into Eastern Ukraine and stole these oblasts. He stole this land that belonged to another people. That's a total lie. And it's not a defensive Putin to call it out of the celly because it is. And everybody knows it now. The truth is that in 2001, Putin, the same guy, same leader, asked the Bush administration in person, directly to George Shopee Bush, I would like to join NATO. I would like to join the defensive alliance that exists to keep me from moving west into Western Europe. In other words, you won. I'm joining your team. And doing part to his own limitations as a leader and doing part to the council that he received from Kumbly's race at the time, George Shopee Bush turned down that offer. And prevented Russia from joining NATO. And the guests we're going to speak to in a moment, if you're wondering if he is a good track record of calling future events, said at the time, this decision to turn down Vladimir Putin, this is 25 years ago, Vladimir Putin's request to join NATO, to join the West, to all be in it together, to work together. This decision made by the Bush administration guarantees a collision with the West. We are now on a collision course. And of course, he was absolutely right. Because NATO didn't want Russia because NATO wanted a war with Russia and boy, they got it. And so from 2001 all the way to 2022, 21 years, NATO moved inexorably east, surrounding Russia. And many times, again, this is not a defense of Russia. It's just a fact. Many times the Russian government under Putin said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You are threatening our core national interest, which is not to have other people's missiles on our borders back off. And then in 2014, the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine to put an American puppet in there, thereby sealing the fate of nations. When that happened, and Sergey Karaganov said it at the time, you have just guaranteed a war in Ukraine that will destroy Ukraine. So as you listen to the interview, and we hope you listen carefully, because the English is not flawless, and it was done over satellite from Moscow. So it's not the best audio, but it's worth listening. That man that you're going to hear has a long track record of calling events right. And it's not to detract from his powers of perception or his intellect, which is formidable to say, other people could have drawn the same conclusions, because it's pretty freaking obvious. If you exclude Russia from NATO, you're probably seeking a war with Russia. And if you try to put nuclear armed missiles on Russia's border, you're probably going to get a military response. That's exactly what he said. And of course, he was laughed at in Europe, where he'd spent a lot of his life. And he was totally ignored by the United States. And our policymakers were on to this, that or the other thing. They were not paying any attention at all, and to the extent they were, they were very excited for this war with Russia. And they never really explained why. And then once that war began four years ago, they began to act through their proxy, the Ukrainian government under Zelensky, truly a proxy in a war that has been managed from day one in part by the CIA, our CIA, targeting by the CIA, and it even tells you that's not true, is lying. They began to act with not just recklessness, but extreme recklessness, the kind of behavior that suggests you don't care about the consequences at all. You're just all in. Actually, at some point, the kind of behavior that suggests a death wish. This suggests like, I actually want a nuclear holocaust. I'm happy to risk the lives of my family, my nation, and the world in a nuclear exchange. And we know that because of what they did, they blew up Nord Stream, which was the main source of natural gas for Europe. So that did two things. One, it destroyed the European economy. That was obviously going to happen. And it did because you can't have a robust economy, certain manufacturing economy, without cheap energy, without cheap energy, you're left with what? Real estate and finance. And of course, the people making these decisions are familiar only with real estate and finance, because that's the world they live in. But in the real world, countries become rich and powerful and stable and resilient because they make things. That's the first thing. We blew up Nord Stream, so that destroys our supposedly closest allies in Europe, particularly in Germany. Germans hate themselves so much. They won't even admit that we did it, but we did it through proxies, but we did it as we said we would. And the second thing that it did is in a very clear message to Russia, we're done. We're not going to have a kind of Vietnam scenario where we have a proxy war, but there are limits to our behavior. Yeah, we'll spray Agent Orange, but we're not actually going to level Hanhoy. We'll bomb it on the edges, but we're, you know, there are limits to what we're going to do because we don't actually want to war with the Soviets. American and NATO behavior, since the beginning of this war, suggest there are limits at all. Blowing up Russian infrastructure, trying to assassinate Putin repeatedly. They lie about it, but yes, they have. Yes, they have. The Ukrainian government has tried to assassinate Vladimir Putin multiple times. Has the CIA assisted with the targeting of those drones? Yes, obviously. Tell me how you didn't. No one's even asked them. You don't need to be an economist to see what's happening. The dollar is in trouble. It's getting weaker. It's sad, but we're not in charge of it. So we have to respond appropriately and ways to protect our families. When paper money dies, it's going to be replaced by programmable digital currency or gold. Gold survives. 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I don't buy these kleptocrats and look, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. It is a wounded and declining nation. It has an uncompetitive economy. Senator McCain used to joke that Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country. It's declining population, of course, contributes to its decline. We'll see a view of Putin. Look, I think he's got grand ambitions. I think he's hostile to the United States, but I think the thing that we've seen is he doesn't have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions. And so he's basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons. If the president could rally the world to push back against Russian aggression and really hit them economically, have sanctions that hit really hard, then Putin is basically a gas station masquerading as a country. There's really nothing more embarrassing. And as someone who knows all four of the men you just saw say that, you pause and you think, we are a great nation. The United States were a great nation. And we should be led in particular policies that matter that could determine whether your children will ever die should be led by great men. Men with wisdom above all, restraint, a sense of longitudinal interest. It matters what this looks like in a hundred years. That should be part of the calculation and knowledge and lived experience. And none of those four men you just saw all four of whom have been major players in formulating US foreign policy over many decades. None of them meet any of those criteria. These are weak, unwise in the case of John McCain, though very charming, I will say low IQ people, true. That's just true. They don't know anything. So you could say everything about Russia, I find repulsive. Everything about it defends my sensibilities as an American. That's fine. People feel that way. But you can't dismiss it as a gas station with nuclear weapons because that reveals you as ignorant because it is the opposite of that. Of course, on a cultural level, the country that produced Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, more than a gas station. But it also suggests that you are doing the one thing you can never do with an adversary and that's underestimate his power and resilience. You have to see the people you're in conflict with clearly or you will get hurt. That's the real risk here. Not just you'll act like the ugly American, you're a buffoon. There are gas stations, nuclear weapons. What a clever line. I heard that from my donor. I'm going to repeat it and meet the press. Which is exactly what the poor dissentist doesn't know anything was doing, trying to sound statesmen like, well, I just heard that gas station nuclear weapons. Oh, it's so good. You know, you reveal that you're just a rub, go back to Orlando, but it's more than that. You can wind up way over your head and we are now way over our heads because of that attitude. Lindsey Graham, who to his credit has been around, he's been everywhere. Lindsey Graham has still not picked up the one quality you hope that travel in stills in a person, which is wisdom zero. And there's a particularly sad line at the end of the clip you just saw from Lindsey Graham, where he said, if just we can make our sanctions tough enough, we can see tough sanctions. That will bring Russia to its knees. Well, we did that actually, but who got brought to his knees? Was it Russia? No, it was not. It was us. One of the saddest things this country's ever done is sabotaged its own currency over time. But if you were to isolate a moment where the US dollars future became dim, it would have to be in the Biden administration's immediate response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That was the moment that we kicked Russia out of Swift. We just stole the personal property of people who didn't work for the Russian government, the so-called oligarchs, which is means businessmen, just took their stuff because they had Russian names and prevented Russians from playing in international sporting events. You can't be at Wimbledon. There's an OV at the end of your name or whatever. So we humiliated ourselves, of course, by behaving, who behaves like that? But we also sabotaged our own core interest, which is the maintenance of the US dollars, the world's reserve currency. That's the key thing that we have. It's under manufacturing base that makes us rich. Sorry, which it was. It's the US dollars, the privilege of holding the currency that say energy transactions are conducted in. Everyone has to use dollars. It's called the Petro-Dollar, but in there's since 1971. You tamper with that and the bills come due and you become poor. And then all the downstream effects of poverty, which include violence, by the way, NKOS. That was the single most unwise thing any administration has done in my lifetime, 56 years. That was the dumbest thing. That was the most self-destructive thing. So what was gold trading at? Do you remember, if you got a phone in your hand right now, look it up. What was gold trading at? Just say February 1st, 2022. About 1,700 bucks an ounce, which is high, was high. You check gold prices to say the spot price of gold today? It's about $4,600 per ounce. Has the S&P grown that much and four years? No. Has anything? No. Why gold? Is there some new industrial application for gold? No. There are some, but not really. People are buying gold as an option to the US dollar. Gold is what you buy when you want out of the dollar because you don't believe it has a bright future. You dump your treasuries and you buy gold. And the people who actually understand the system because they made it and participated in it and are its biggest players are doing that. China is doing that. Now why in 2026 would you dump treasuries, which they have? A lot of treasuries. And by gold, the most primitive medium of exchange, like the Assyrians use gold. Gold. Only superstitious people buy gold. Not making the case that there's some inherent quality and gold that makes it valuable. I'm making the case that compared to what? You're doing that because you believe the US dollar is unsafe. And why do you believe that? Because the US government just used it as a political weapon against a great power. That's why anybody could have figured this out. And the second thing that happened almost immediately is that Russia formed a durable alliance with China. Now think about this for a second. Donald Trump was great credit. He used to say this. The worst thing Biden ever did was drive Russia into an alliance with China. Why is that the worst thing? Because here you have the largest economy in the world, which is China. And you have the largest resource density in the world and the biggest country in the world, which is Russia combining against you. So I think by anybody's count, there are four really kind of major players in our near-to-long term future globally. And they are the US, Russia. It's more than a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry. India and China. Now who knows where India is going to land, but if you've got Russia and China against you, it's tough. That's not only not unipolar. That's like an actual threat to your interests. That's an actual threat to your interests. Don't allow that. The reason Richard Nixon flew to Beijing 50 years ago, 55 years ago, and met with Chairman Mao, who by the way was a lot more of a monster than Putin's ever thought of being, was not a Christian, unlike Putin, killed 100 million of his own people. Richard Nixon flew there anyway and, quote, opened up China, made an alliance with China. Why? Displit it from Russia. Because he understood that was the threat, the block, the alliance of countries that don't share our interest is a massive threat to us. And to the dollar, he did that. And it worked for like 50 years. Well, Joe Biden with the help of the U.S. Congress, probably the largest collection of unwise cowards in the English-speaking world got together and decided that they could levee sanctions against this country, which they deemed bad for reasons they never really explained, except Russia reacted to their provocations and went over a border that no one can find out of map. Because of that, we need to act and do something because we're Winston Churchill, not Neville Chamberlain, and everything's about World War II. And we need to stop Russian aggression. By the way, we were on Russian side during World War II, but shut up, you're not supposed to know that. And we're going to punish them, not by actually joining the Ukrainian military and putting our lives on the line because, hey, we've got better things to do than go die in someone else's war. But we're going to sanction them very tough sanctions. Despite the living proof that not only do sanctions not work, they are counterproductive to the stated aims. And if that's untrue, what happened in Cuba exactly, which got sanctioned in about 1960? Oh, Role Castro was still alive and still has power in that country. The country's gotten poorer, don't think Role Castro has. They don't work. They have the opposite effect. And by the way, they are dishonorable and feline. They're a weak man's form of diplomacy. When Lindsey Graham is running around pretending to be tough, the man with the size five shoe is telling you he's the man on the scene, you know what you're watching is pantomime. It's acting. You're watching a weak man pose as a strong man. And the decisions that he makes reflect that. That's why they all love sanctions. But in this case, in this specific case, sanctions shafted the United States. And I think it's worth saying that out loud to our grandchildren looking back on this time and asking, why don't we live like our grandparents did? In a sign appropriate blame, sanctions did not punish Vladimir Putin. They punished the United States and they completely destroyed Europe, which is where our ancestors came from and where religion comes from. So it's not a small thing. But they didn't work. And by the way, neither did the military action that we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paying for in Ukraine, a military action that was never designed to liberate Ukraine, but to beat Russia, whatever that means. How can you beat a cohesive ancient empire? Probably can't. When this country was founded 250 years ago, Russia was an empire. It's not like us, okay? Russia will be here. We know that whether you like it or not. So deal with it in a constructive way. But they couldn't. And so once the war got rolling and it became really, really clear that we had lost, oh, we haven't lost. What do you, a Putin puppet? Okay, really simple metric. Putin rolls across the border into Ukraine. Ukraine really just like a satellite of the United States and the Biden administration, but rolls into this supposedly different country and we can't get them out. No matter how many hundreds of millions of dollars we send them and how many bio labs we have there and how many threats, I'm CIA officers, we send over there to do the targeting of the drones still there. And they're not leaving. So what does that leave you with? Well, again, I would refer you to not the smartest foreign policy strategies we have, but certainly the most cable friendly, Lindsey Graham. Watch this. How does this end? Somebody in Russia has to step up to the plate. Is there a brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stopenberg in the Russian military? The only way this ends my friend is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country a great service and the world a great service. I'm hoping somebody in Russia will understand that he's destroying Russia and you need to take this guy out by any means possible. Yeah, I hope he will be taken out one way or the other. I don't care how they take him out. I don't care if we send him to the Hague and try him. I just want him to go. Yes, I'm on record. Please understand. Senator Lindsey Graham and if John McCain were here and he'd be saying the same thing, I think. It's time for him to go. He's a war criminal. I wish somebody had taken Hitler out into thirties. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Do you really want to call for the extra judicial murder of another head of state? Is that a precedent you want to live with? Probably not, actually. Probably not. And if you're a country that believes in the rule of law, pretty shocking thing really for a lawmaker to say, well, just a assassinated. It was just a tool of foreign policy. No, we're not Israel. We don't conduct foreign policy through assassination, actually. We shouldn't. Apparently now we do. Is that okay with people? You don't like someone? You just kill them? If those are the rules, we will have to live with those rules. We don't need a particularly powerful imagination to envision how that ends and not well at all. So if you're going to be a beacon of freedom, be one and call the just to account and don't punish the innocent, which is why sanctions are not only ineffective, but also immoral. But moreover, if you're waging a war against a country, and we've been at war with Russia for four years, just why would the liars tell you, we have been at war with Russia for four years. And not a good idea to admit that you're losing on television, which is what Lindsey Graham just did. We have no choice but to take him out. And third, it's probably unwise to admit that you know nothing about the country that you are fighting, that you're obsessed with. Taking Putin out will solve the problem. Putin is an absolute dictator. He's dictatorial. That's for sure. You probably wouldn't want to walk by the Kremlin and give him the finger. You probably punished for that. But does he have absolute control over Russia? Does any leader of any country ever have absolute control over the country? Did Stalin know he consulted with the constituencies in his country. They all do. Every one of them are president, every amir in the Gulf, every king, Sultan, potentate, head of the CCP. Everyone's got to board a director's in this world. Everyone. And Putin is no different. And Putin again, like every head of state is balancing a bunch of different shareholders every single day at the FSB. And then divisions within the FSB, at the military, you got the business community, the oligarchs as we call them. Very different from our oligarchs who were just tech CEOs. They're oligarchs. But everyone's got a piece of this enterprise they call Russia and everyone gets to say no head of state acts unilaterally. So the idea that you take Russia out and everyone just gives up, oh, Putin's gone. We can, I don't know, turn it over to Zelensky. He's ridiculous. And only somebody didn't understand how the world works would say something like that. So what's the point? The point is exactly what we've seen in a lot of other countries, Iraq, Syria, you hope not Iran, but likely, cause chaos. Because in chaos, I can dominate and I can steal. And the people who are paying me to have these views, a lot of them are exiled Russian oligarchs who Putin kicked out to get back in there and scoop up the resources. There's no reason Putin should control the boxite in Russia or whatever, all the oil, all gas, all the gold we should. So create chaos in this country, the biggest country on earth, 150 million people in the largest nuclear arsenal and I'll get rich. And even if you signed up for that program, which you shouldn't because it's disgusting, but let's say you did think that was a good idea. Part of your reptile brain would start beeping red alert alert alert alert. That's really reckless because I can't control what happens next. There are too many nuclear weapons in this country. They have massive military industrial power. They make a lot of weapons. They make a lot of steel. They have a lot of cheap energy. There's a real place. And it's got a huge Muslim population, 20% and they're kind of peaceful now. Will they be? These are the kind of things an adult would ask himself before calling to knock off a head of state. You could destroy the world, but they haven't asked themselves those things because they don't care. And above all, they are unfit for leadership of the West. And that includes our foreign policy establishment and it includes virtually head every single head of state in Europe. And for that, they are on the cusp of being eliminated literally. And I'll just speak for myself and say, I really hope that doesn't happen. Yes, Kierstarmer is a joke, of course. He's an insult to our ancestors. If you're English, he's an insult to our ancestors and to that nation. Of course, McCrone is ridiculous. Germany. But do you want to see them destroyed? And according to Sergei Karnaugov, they're very close to being. So with that, watch this interview and ask yourself, why is this not on the front page of every paper? Why is this not on the lips of every European and every American because it's entirely real? Here's the interview. Mr. Kargonoff, thank you very much for joining us. How do you believe this war will end? This war could and should be ended not only when Russia achieves a total defeat of Europe, hopefully, without eliminating Europe. We are fighting not Ukraine, not Zedelskin, the like. We are fighting again, Europe, which has been the source of all, all sources of evil in the history of humanity, of two world wars. Europe has been several times invading us. Last time it was an opening for 1941, when 95%, 95% of European countries came here under the banner of Hitler. Now, unbelievable after all the defeats, they haven't learned the question. The last two are pushing for a big war. The reason is obviously that it's a total failure of what European elites do. But when we talk about the end of this war, it's not about doing the way that we're in Ukraine with the source of this war. And that is the evil Europe, which by the way sucked, you might have said, several times into war. And which have been the source of the worst things in the history of humanity, including of course, world wars, including racism, colonism, and many other bad things, including now, they have been the main source of the post-human values of the Jewish. They have been exporting, I mean, they partly polluted, you know, let's say so now we are fighting that. They tried to pollute them. But I'm not speaking about all Europe. I mean, there are many distant people and even countries there. But the question is that Europe is returning back to where it used to be during the last 500 years. And that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity. So what does it look like to defeat Europe? The war can't end until Russia defeats Europe, you said. What does it mean? For the time being, we are thinking about a piece of deal about the Nazis, which has been offered by President Trump in the North Faith War. Again, until the will of your people elites is not to continue confrontation for the sake of saving themselves from the old covering up for the old mistakes they have not. That war will not stop. So I am quite skeptical as to the should time possibilities of a piece of deal. However, of course, if we achieve something, along the road and people will stop to be killed, well, the opportunities should be used. But I'm pretty sure that there are problems as much as it is. And it is not Ukraine, it is not the lightest game in whomever. It is that Europe is again returning to its worst. And that is the social or evil in the history of ferment. Why do you think, from an American perspective, it is very obvious that European leaders are focused on Russia in the big countries, Germany, France, Great Britain. The leadership of all three countries is focused on Russia as the threat. Why do you think that is? No, it is very simple. I mean, I am a founder of the University of Europe, and I used to be a Eurofile 40 years ago. And then I learned them better and I became highly skeptical. They are complete failures on all kind of counts. I mean, moral, political, economic, etc. Europe is going down. Also, they are unable now to exploit the world and to suck the rent from the world which you have been getting due to the military preponderance over the last five hundred years. That was stopped in the six and seventies, but they got into a deep crisis already. But at that time, I mean, for all kind of reasons, so to say collapsed. And they believed that their golden age was continued. But now, they understand that golden age is finished. And they are desperate. They understand that they could not leave on others' money. They also start to understand that they could not leave on the cushion of US protection. Because US is tired of them and they don't need it anymore. So there is a total desperation of this, a layer of globalists, quote unquote, liberal. European elites also, they are by the way, a process of anti-maritalcy. I mean, never in history of Europe have we had such a low level of intellectual capacities in the leadership of most European countries, not all, but almost. So Europe is basically out of gas. It's out of energy. It's dying. And so you're arguing that their leadership sees a defeat of Russia as the only way back. A continuation of the first they thought of a possibility of a defeat of Russia, which was a kind of a fantastic illusion. But still some people, because of their intellectual quote unquote, incapacity, there is talking about that. But what is defeat of Russia? If Russia comes ever close to a defeat, that would mean that Russia would use no close weapons and the Europe will be finished physically. So I mean, it's simply impossible even to think about it, but they have been talking because they need a war to rationalize their state in power, to rationalize their existence. It is not about even defeat of Russia. It is simply keeping on with the failing European Union, with the failing economy, with the fading European positions in the world. Everybody in the world now loves Europe, which used to be, by the way, one of the core centers of power. Now it's a joke. Of course, I'm not speaking of all Europe. We know that there are distant Europeans, that are smart Europeans, though in my class, political class, of European thinkers, and you are foreign policy, and defense, etc., etc., there's only one or two men or persons left. I wouldn't name them because I would jeopardize them in the eyes of the audience, but nobody else. I do not have any interlocutor, almost any interlocutor, you, but any more. When you say everyone knows that the Russian government, if pressed, would use nuclear weapons against Europe. You mean that? Is my question, and do you think that the Europeans understand that? Europeans, because they have been, first of all, intellectually degrading after the 1968, so-called revolution, which killed most of the European education. And because of anti-marital accuracy of a modern European democratic system, they do not understand or are enabled to understand what is happening, fully. And also they are entertaining what I call strategic persistitis, persistitis, or persistitis, I don't know what I would call it, that they believe that we will never come to their territory, they forgot about the war, and that it's terrible, because they have been their source of most wars in the history of humanity, but now they are not afraid, so one of the tasks of Russia, in addition to others, is to bring them to senses, hopefully without using nuclear weapons, only with the threat. Of the use, and I am criticizing my government of being too prudent and too patient with them, but sooner or later, if they continue to support this war, now sacrificing new millions of Ukrainians and others, the Russian and the territory of perseverance will go thin, and we will have to punish them severely, hopefully, in other words. It's interesting that you say their leaders no longer fear nuclear weapons, you would think everyone would fear nuclear weapons given their destructive capacity. Why would any person not fear the threat of a nuclear attack? Well, let's put this, we believe that they are like us, but they are not like us, they have had a total degradation of thinking class, and of the ruling class. I mean, when Chancellor Putin, who is of Germany, is talking about, I mean, recreating him, who is fairer to be the strongest army, in what does that mean? That means that he adduns his country for elimination. I have been talking with the Europeans through all most of my adult life. I stopped doing that in 1930, and there was a meeting of European leaders, which happened as I said, that if you continue into this system, there will be a big war, and millions of Ukrainians will die, and nobody dared to look into my eyes. There were 70-80 people, most of them, you know, they have degraded to the level that they are dangerous, idiots, or more radius. Yes, not all of them, but mostly them. You are quoted in one place saying, they no longer fear God, therefore they no longer fear war. How are those two related? Absolutely. They lost, well, not all, again, we were normal people. Europe has lost its core, moral, political, spiritual core. Now, as you know, most of them have lost the fear, well, the trust in God. They lost a normal losing amongst the traits of the human. Europe is under this leadership, under this leadership, is becoming under European in terms of historical European and in an anti-human. They have brought the Nazis, which was anti-human, etc. Now they have brought to us, you have been infected with the last extent. Something absolutely anti-human, lots of respect, those family, those love between men and women, those respect for seniors, those bad patriotism, etc. What is then Europe? And of course, to the point, what is left? I mean, it is the moral hope. However, of course, I'm not speaking about all your opinions around, normal people, however, of course, I'm not able to talk to them. I'm not able to talk to them because they are of a magic, they are forbidden to talk to us, if they talk to us, they are then called and summoned to the police or security services. So I have a lot of, still still, probably a lot of friends in Europe, but I do not have any contacts with them because they are bad, because they elites from talking to us, because they elites are preparing them for war, at least morally, though these are the same elites could not comprehend that if war is a real big war, that is unleashed in Europe. And I will assume that later this war in New Great, which we are engaging with the Europeans. As colleagues, a little bit of Europe. Thanks God, we have changed our own doctrine, my recent plan, there is some there, our president said, he was very cautious and very polite, he is a very cautious and very polite man, but he said something very important. He said that if Europe continues and Europe gets into real direct conflict with Europe, there will be nobody in Europe to talk to. But I hope and I beg and I pray the way I pray that he or us wouldn't have to make this decision. But as I have said before, Europe is the source of the most evils and it returns to its worst times. Twice in the past, roughly the past year, the Ukrainians have tried to at least twice, tried to kill your president, president Putin. That is my read of it. Why do you think they did that? What is the thinking there? It is very simple. I mean, they have belligerent, some people believe that he could solve the problem of Russia by killing the president. Our president is, I have one problem with our president, he is cautious. They did not talk to Kursh and he shows too much perseverance. I am criticizing him indirectly, or sometimes even directly as in our conversation with you. But they simply want, of course they could not kill. It is simply noble hatred of people who have lost their minds. Well, the question of course of doing away with the desert foreign conferences is an American question. But they are pumping up hatred towards Russia like Mad. I am partly historic. I must say that even Hitler is Germany. The level of anti-version propaganda or sofobia was maybe a week or at least equal to what is happening in Europe. What would happen if your president were to be assassinated by the Ukrainians or Europe or the United States? What would be the next? Let's hope that it would not happen. But then of course, that would mean that we will punish, hopefully not in the United States. But Europe will be taken away from the map of humanity. It should be pushed away from the geopolitical and the judicial-cheeked map because it is a nuisance. I hope it would not be punished in the physical way. Although I am starting to say that these idiots are not anything but physical pain. That's who no later. I would have to go up to the other escalation and if they did not stop this senseless war and still in Iran, Ukraine, we would have to start to attack Europe with the conventional weapons. Then next step will be a wave of nuclear weapons. I hope reached that point because using nuclear weapons, any weapons is a sin. But using nuclear weapons is a double and I don't want to be Russia to be that big a sin that we have all seen. But if needed, we have to eliminate the European threat to combat. How far are we from Russia using nuclear weapons against Europe? Two years. If I need to do one year, first of all, I have been calling on my government to escalate earlier. But President Putin is very legitimate. He is cautious. We have been climbing up the ladder of escalation and changing our nuclear doctrine and lowering the threshold building about nuclear potential in Europe and else. But in the hope that we could stop them before crossing the threshold, as I have said, I think that Putin believes that using nuclear weapons, and I believe, by the way, might be a necessary sin in order to save humanity. That's why I have been calling for the limited nuclear use of nuclear weapons against Europe. Otherwise, the world that would drift into a third world war towards which Europeans are pushing all of us. I mean, they have already done that twice in history. Sucking in the United States, you have a couple of times saved them. You Americans. Now we want to suffer, but then save them again. But now they're back. And with the old game, we have to either to punish them or to help them to change their minds. And it is not I'm not calling for regime change, but if Europeans do not change these elites for more national oriented for more responsible, they are doomed. And I hate the idea because culturally I am a European. Of course, we are moving towards Siberia, because we're saying and sincerely that we are becoming a Eurasian nation, or turning back to where it would be long to become the Eurasian nation. But the loss of Europe would be a bit. Before I ask you about what you think Russia should do relative to the rest of the world, become Eurasian rather than European, which it seems to be doing. If there were nuclear strikes from Russia into Europe in the next year or two, as you said there may be, what countries would that include? Well, we are online. So I've written that several times that it was strike in Bosnian Americans would never respond. Americans would never respond anyway. But if we, but then I hope the polls are becoming by the way most sensible. They understand that they are playing with fire and they are trying to retreat from the front lines of this conflict. But my choice would be Britain and Germany. You take out Britain and Germany with nuclear weapons? I beg our almighty that would be a Germany would be should be the first because Germany is the source of the worst and the worst in the European history. But I hope again I have many German friends. You I think just came back from Beijing certainly the ties between Russia and China are much much deeper than they were four years ago. From an American perspective, the idea of a permanent Russia-China alliance is a threat to our future it would seem. Is that alliance permanent? Well for the time being for the for civil future, it is a source of great strength in both Russia and to China and our Chinese friends understand that. But what will happen in 10 to 15 years we would not know so I'm putting in four kind of futures. But our best solution is to reach a world where four great powers will be working together now for defining I mean the rules of behavior in the future world. These four powers are China, Russia, it says in India. And that kind of configuration also means that we will and that we should and we will of course balance the overall proponents of China with the Russia. But in this juncture China is fantastic as it is not a threat. But just in case we should create this at least four kind of system. Plus we are building what we call greater erasure. And that is a system of relationship where China will be balanced by major powers within a relationship. Including India, Russia, Turkey, and Russia and others. So I will let you but that you need and I mean we talked with them sincerely about necessity to balance them. There it is hard for them to solve that but they're starting to understand that it is there in just to create a balanced system of an issue within your issue. But worldwide United States should be a key player because without the United States we will not succeed in dealing with the unbelievable problems we are facing in the coming years. Yes. Does Russia jeopardize its soul by leaving the West given that it's a orthodox country, its cultural legacy is? No, owns Western. We are saving our soul. I mean of course some of my competitors would not agree with me but let us remind you and me and others that our soul came from the East and from the South to push and from Palestine. And who my author of shows you the true push and because Catholics left the beginning of the previous millennium we were positive with them but still we were of course we were Christians and we were brothers. We are very much an Islamic country 20% of our population. We also take it from the South then we have some Buddhist population. We also take it from the Southeast and the Judaism is also here in Akmala, Georgia. And the political system which we have built over years we have in Heracles from the Greatest Empire of the Mole from Cheng the Greatest Han Empire. But of course in many Russia would disagree now with me but it is simple truth. We are the Shedden Empire with a very strong European cultural influence which we love and adore. We will never pass but we are not a European thing with God and we are now starting to acknowledge that because our European journey has been to which Peter the Great Southern for because of certain reasons because we have a backward technological terms is over. It should have been over 150 years ago. He took a say that for many troubles including things like war, communism etc. Now but now we have we are butting but hopefully keeping the the trace of European cultural heritage we share with you in our hearts and our minds. What effect from your perspective have Western sanctions had on Russia? Do you believe sanctions in the first Russia? Yes. We invited I have been calling for a confrontation with the rest long before we stopped stopping the expansion of NATO etc. Long before we decided. Of course I mean economically wise they heard but the strategic wise political wise cultural wise they have been the blessing. We have we have invited fire on friendly fire on our own. We have done a way the comprodoer elites. We have thrown away without any repressions the fifth column. We are returning back our Russian culture, our Russian soul. We are becoming Russians. The only problem with this sanctions and with this war is that we have to pay for it with the lives of our best men. But other men that it has been they have been a blessing and I do not want them to be lifted. Of course someone should be so in a relationship with someone additional money but Russia which is threatened is again a war fighting nation. We are a nation of wars and when we started to be attacked even indirectly now directly then we returned to our best and that is why the factory is an unbelievable release. Not all the problems that are losing the best men and that should be stopped. And that leads to my last question, Mr. Kharaganov which is you described this as a war a civilizational war between Russia and Europe. What role does the United States our administration, our president play in ending it? What can President Trump do to end the war? I mean America is very crucial in studying this war because the whole problem started in where in 2000s when American administration started to pedal to pop up the European issue because they were afraid of the possibility of building a continental lives of the Russian and Germany. So in the way Americans are also the source have been a source of the problem. As to their termed administration offer, I didn't like their offer which Mr. Trump offered because it doesn't solve the real problem and the real problem is my European hostility, European ambition. But for the time being we should use this opportunity if possible. And then of course we all know that President Trump is curtailed, he's in internal affairs. And also now we see that his offer is delusited by all kinds of efforts from within the by his cause and allies. But if we but you could try for a while with his offer maybe eventually we would end up with the solution of the problem and that is solution of the problem is of course as I've said is Europe. However I do not foresee that unfortunately that possibility. So even if we stop this war we should be prepared when the war zooms out of nowhere with the source of this. And that is hostility of European elites and their willingness to fuel warfare on the European subcontinent. But let's give Trump a chance. Although I am not sure here we could succeed under circumstances you know the international situation as it says better and also by the way we could not rely we will respect your president. Oh him he has a country behind him which is deeply divided. He is a huge opposition. And then he's also playing full games. And so I don't think I hope we could arrange something. But we are wishing very carefully the fact that presidential administration has abducted the leader of a big country. We are wishing very carefully that American Marines acting like pirates on high seas, seas in tankers wearing Russian flags, Russian bedmars. If that continues we will have to go back to rough New Jersey but we would like to have if not cold gel but we would relationship with the United States and with other two great countries in the world. But we will see whether he could deliver. I think he wants to deliver but whether he is able is a big question. So we keep our fingers crossed. And let's give us maybe perhaps a show. We hope that he is sincere but we did not trust American policies and to a certain extent his proposals look like a honey tramp. Because nothing happens. Continue the war. I'm not talking about peace peace peace. I mean referring to those who will be the next year or other piglies in Europe who are blocking it. It seems that this war is continuing and maybe the United States in the end do not want to finish this war. So then we will have to come back to the solution which I have mentioned several times. Man that is of starting to punish a European enemies with understanding hopefully that the United States would be knowing that they would refer or refrain from participating in the war here. I think it's important for American policymakers and the American citizenry the country to understand the Russian perspective and I'm grateful that you gave it to us Mr. Karaganov thank you very much for your time. Thank you for me too. Thanks very much for watching. We will see you next Wednesday.