Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I will be your host, Emily Simpson with. Shane. And today we are doing a little special episode to keep you updated on the Nancy Guthrie situation, which is the 84 year old mother of Savannah Guthrie who has been, we believe, I don't know. I mean, we're not exactly sure, but abducted, kidnapped, something. And a lot of information has come out. So we are giving you the information as we know it up to this moment. So. And the latest is? Well, the latest thing I heard right before we started recording was that there was another ransom type of note that went to TMZ. But your understanding is it's not that person doesn't have her. They claim to have information. They know who the person is. And they want an exchange for one Bitcoin. They will release that information. And what is Bitcoin at currently? You know, how much is one Bitcoin? This morning was $66,000. $66,000. I actually don't know. If they asked for it about a month ago, it would have been $120,000. Was it a month ago? Yeah. I need to look at my, yeah, remember you were bragging about how like, I don't even know what it is, but I made some money. I did. Well, you're back down to zero. No, it's not zero. Well, it went back down to what you probably bought it at. Probably. So the latest information is a person of interest was detained last night and released early this morning in this case. So the Pima County Sheriff's Department said deputies detained a subject during a traffic stop south of Tucson. And this was last night. This morning Carlos Palozuelos told Telemundo in Spanish that his home where authorities conducted a search the previous evening was entered under a warrant. He said both the front and back doors were damaged during the process. He said he was searched by investigators and briefly detained and questioned in connection with the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, but has since been released. Carlos said that investigators told him he resembled the individual captured insecurity footage from Guthrie's home and that the FBI had recently made public. Did you see those photos and videos of the suspect photos? No, but just the one video, I mean of the porch. Yeah. Well, in our last episode, what we talked about this, we talked about how someone had removed the, um, the ring camera. And you said, because I said, well, obviously, then if someone removed it, there would be video footage of them walking up to it and removing it. Right. But then we were saying she didn't have the subscription. Right. So it wasn't preserved. Right. But apparently it was put somewhere in some cloud somewhere and someone is able to tap into it and extract it. So even though she didn't have a subscription where it was being saved somewhere, it was still being saved somewhere. Right. Like when you delete something on computer, it's not really deleted. Yeah. It's kind of set aside and accessible as far as when you look at your computer, you don't see it. Right. But when you have someone tech savvy who's doing a, uh, it's sort of like you, you throw something away and it's out in the bin, but it's not really gone. Gone. It's just out in the side yard in the bin. So when you look at those, when you look, watch it, when you look at the video surveillance, I mean, it's creepy. It is creepy. It is covered head to toe. Yeah. All you can see are the eyes and is gun. Yeah. And it has a backpack. And his gun is oddly placed like in front, like right above his crotch. Like if he wants it seen or something. And then didn't he grab flowers and try to like cover it up with flowers? Is that what, is that what sent his hand? It looks like. Yeah. Like some plants or something like he was trying to figure out like, can I, can I stick these flowers up here and cover it? And I don't know. I'm just going to rip the whole thing off. Probably. But it, it shows you, I mean, he didn't stage this. It shows you that maybe he didn't plan that part. You mean you're saying because it was so haphazard and he's trying to cover it with plants that he walked up, didn't realize there would be ring footage and then thought now I've got to do something. Right. So then it may not be someone that knows there's a ring camera there like a family member or a vendor or someone. Yeah. That's a good point. That's a, that's a good thought. So the FBI shared Nest Doorbell camera footage captured outside of Nancy Guthrie's home on the night she vanished. The video appears to show a mass individual carrying a weapon. And as you said, he's carrying it, crotch height. And claim the person seemed to have tampered with the camera. They're not crotch height, waist height above the crotch. Oh, okay. Above the crotch. And plane height. CNN correspondent and former FBI agent Josh Campbell said the video is helpful in the investigative process highlighting techniques like pulling up foliage from the yard to cover the camera as an interesting tactic used alongside the full body clothing and mask. You know, that is interesting. What you said though, that's a good takeaway that maybe he had no idea there was ring any. He just kind of panicked and didn't know what to do. So he's like grabbing foliage out of the yard and trying to cover it and stick it on there. And it doesn't stay. It was improvising. Right. This major development was made possible in part by technical assistance from Google according to a source familiar with the case because Google owns Nest. The company helped retrieve information from the Nest doorbell camera at Gotteries home. Very cool. The data recovery reportedly took several days and involved a highly complex process and investigators were initially unsure whether it would work. Google has not issued a public response. This is Google saying, see you all need to subscribe to her Nest camera. It's a look what it provided. And it was very difficult for us without a subscription. We will not be doing this again. Yeah. So subscribe, push subscribe here. What's Luke always say? Subscribe below. Smash that subscribe button. Right. Shortly after the footage was made public, Savannah got three shared a renewed statement from the family stating we believe she is still alive. Let me do you think that she's still alive at this point? 11 days later, you know? No, I mean, I hope I'm wrong. But they kept saying like she needs her meds. She's not going to survive. I've seen pictures of her. She looks really frail. I mean, she's older, obviously. And there was some blood and how long has it been? 11 days. I mean, if they're, I mean, do you think they're really going to be providing for her and caring for her as she needs to be in her age and physical unfitness? I don't know. No, I don't know. But let's go back to the guy they detained last night. They said that that he was detained because he resembled the guy in the footage. But how does anyone resemble the guy in the footage? You have two eyes in a mouth. Yeah. Just like that man in the footage. I mean, there's no way to resemble anything. The guy's covered from head to toe. I did here. I did see when I was, you know, scrolling my main news source Instagram that he might have owned or maybe possibly owned a white van, which had been seen earlier in that neighborhood. There was an unmarked white van that was seen. A pale van? Like a white, weird kidnapping van seen and Nancy got through his neighborhood. And a neighbor had reported it. I believe it was a week or two before. That's another before she was abducted. And I don't think it had any markings. I don't even think I believe that maybe it didn't even have a license plate. So it was very suspicious. Yeah, we're on to 10 days and she needs medication and she's frail and there's blood and there's just random kind of sporadic ransom notes with very, you know, little, I don't know. It's unlikely law enforcement has searched Annie Guthrie's home again. And Annie Guthrie, we know as a sibling, a daughter. So sheriff's deputies are continuing their search efforts and Annie Guthrie's neighborhood going door to door and asking residents for permission to check their properties. Personnel from multiple agencies are on scene, including individuals wearing FBI shirts as well as sheriff's department, vests and caps. Several officials have been observed moving through the area, some carrying notepads. A Pima County Sheriff's Department search and rescue vehicle has also been spotted near the home. Authorities were present at Annie Guthrie's residence over the weekend. Although the home appeared dark with window coverings closed, intermittent bright flashes, possibly from investigative photography were reportedly visible inside. Nancy Guthrie has had been visiting Annie's home for dinner the evening before she was reported missing. So that was the sibling that the mother was out to dinner with. And then allegedly was dropped off at home. Yeah, but you know what's weird? I think I mentioned this before how she took an Uber to dinner, but then what's dropped off. I'm not saying the family did anything, but that is like why one way, not the other. Even when they said Uber, I thought, wow, that's like, why wouldn't she go pick up your mother and bring her over for dinner? Yeah, because we know your parents are older early and they have trouble with Uber. Yeah. And I know you. And even then I wouldn't send them an Uber if they're not far away, because that seems more steps to take for them to get over here than for me to just go pick them up. Well maybe she was somewhere else. And then I don't, I don't, and then took an Uber to dinner. Well, there are reasons for it to happen. I'm just saying it's noteworthy. Okay, but my question is if there's the Ring doorbell on the porch and they could find footage of this, the guy with the foilage and you know, the alleged abductor, whoever he is, do they have footage of her coming home? Would she enter through the front? Oh no, she went through the garage. She went through the garage. That's right. She went through the garage because there's the time line of the garage. And you're not seeing anything other than that porch from that camera. But there was blood on the front porch. Like on the gravel, I think, or something. Yeah. So where is the footage of how the blood got there? Oh, yeah, he took the camera. Once he ripped it off, it was not recording. So he'd completely removed it. Yeah. So the video you see is before he ripped it off the wall. Right. So one of the ransom notes deadlines has already passed as a reported, as the reported Monday deadline approach for Nancy Gatherer's family to pay a ransom. Specialist said authorities still appear to be assessing whether the demands are actually coming from the real kidnappers. New, unconfirmed messages sent to news organizations claimed responsibility for abducting the 84-year-old from her Arizona home and set a 5 p.m. cutoff for a Bitcoin payment. While law enforcement has said the communications are being treated seriously, officials have not verified that they are legitimate. You know, it almost seems like it's one reason to think it's not legitimate is don't they keep pushing the goalpost further? Like, okay, now this is the deadline. Okay. Now this is the deadline. Well, there's also multiple notes, which makes it difficult to ascertain is one of them legitimate and another isn't. Are they copycat? Ransom notes. Are they just weirdos out there that somehow know a lot about what's going on? And why are they? Why are ransom notes? As TMZ now, the new ransom note receiver of information, like TMZ is just going to... Well, they are. They are a source and everyone knows them, right? I mean, you know how to contact TMZ. You know, TMZ is going to app or email, but like your local news affiliate, I mean, you're going to research who to send it to and hope it gets received. So I think TMZ is just a very obvious, like, catchy kind of media outlet that you can reach out to easily. You know, I see a lot of... And now it's going to get disseminated. When I'm on Instagram on my main news source, I see a lot of people... You're only news source. My only news source. I see a lot of people because everybody's talking about this case. I mean, everybody's talking about it. And a lot of people do the body language, you know, where they read the body language of like Samantha Guthrie and her siblings when they've made the videos and they analyze that and whether it's legitimate and whether, you know, what their body language says and what their voice says and everything. I just... I don't know. To me, it looks like grieving siblings that don't... Yeah, why are we trying to interpret them? Because everybody always looks at the family first. I mean, everyone... I mean, we know the... The Sun and Law has been under speculation. There's been alleged rumors out there that he had something to do with it and, you know, they're searching the sisters, a home and, you know, they always look at family first. Yeah. So... Alright, Samantha Guthrie's speech... A lot of people have said this that her speech mirrored the silence of the Lamb's quote. And I thought this was interesting because... No, no, no, a little background. Silence of the Lamb. Yes. Is it a horror movie? A horror movie. A horror movie. A horror movie. An abductor and murder. And then one of the... There's a victim in the movie that's abducted. A young girl. And then have a political figure, like a local congresswoman or something. And so she goes on the media and pleases for her daughter's return. Right. Okay, there. And I have to tell you, this is a 90s movie. My sister loves silence of the Lamb's, which is odd, maybe. I don't know. But she loves silence of the Lamb's. We had it on VHS tape. And she played it all the time. So I have seen silence of the Lamb's. I couldn't even tell you how many times I've seen silence of the Lamb's. Yeah. So you didn't put it together that their plea for their mother was the same as silence of the Lamb's? No, I didn't recognize the speech. But when I saw the side by side, I was like, oh, that's interesting. Oh, it was the side by side show. So on February 4, Savannah, Gathery appeared in a recorded appeal alongside her siblings, Annie and Cameron, addressing the individuals believed to have taken their mother. In the video, Savannah made an emotional plea aimed at appealing to the captor's compassion. She says, Nancy is full of kindness and knowledge, talk to her, and you'll see, and her voice was shaking. However, some viewers observed that Savannah's wording echoed a moment from the 1991 film, The Silence of the Lamb's, and which a Senator publicly pleads for her kidnapped daughter. In that scene, Senator Ruth Martin tells the cameras, Catherine is very gentle and kind, talk to her, and you'll see using similar language to humanize her child. Well, first of all, when I saw people doing the side by side and then saying it was weird or it's like something out of a movie or there's something suspicious or nefarious about this, my takeaway was, there's nothing nefarious about it. It's because Silence of the Lamb's was accurate and actually had probably an FBI consultant who they used, who gave them the proper language that you use when you are appealing to someone who has been kidnapped or abducted, because I would assume that the FBI has done their research and do diligence and psychological testing to know what type of language to use in a situation like that. You don't want to offend the person, you don't want to make them escalate things or make them do. You don't want to anger them. You also want to humanize the person that they've abducted. Talk to her and you'll see. Give her a name so she says Nancy, just like in the movie, she says Catherine. So, to me, it wasn't nefarious or weird. I thought, well, in the movie, they were accurate. They consulted an FBI agent because Sterling, Sterling or Sterling, Sterling was an FBI agent. So, you know, they're going to use the correct language when they're appealing to a kidnapper. And so, obviously, that hasn't changed since 1991. It's still the same. You'd update the playbook. Yeah. I mean, I guess it doesn't need updated. It's still the same psychological appeal, the same language in order to humanize the person. So, also, I just wanted to ask your opinion, I love a good conspiracy theory. And I see a lot online about how possibly this doesn't have anything to do with just an abduction that has to do with money or Bitcoin, but has to do with maybe Savannah Gut III interviewing Epstein victims. And then maybe it has something to do with that. I don't think so. You don't think so. That's a stretch. Yeah. That's just your takeaway. You don't think so. No, that's my opinion. Yeah. I don't think so. That's a stretch. Also. I don't think you should think so. Do you think so? I, you know what? I'll tell you, I find myself sometimes going down a rabbit hole on this, all the Epstein files that had been released. And it becomes so just... I don't think what word is. I mean, I'm not downplaying any of the Epstein stuff, but I don't think it has to do with it. That's too far-fetched. But I mean... Because then why would they give the... So now what? They return the mother, get the money, and then how does that change anything of the supposed theory that it has to do with Epstein files? I don't know. I'm just saying maybe she was targeted because she entered into the... Yeah, but the ransom know what it said. I don't know. Don't interview the victims, or they would have kidnapped her and killed her. Or I mean, it doesn't make any sense that it's like, I have your mother, and I'm going to return her for money. And hopefully that'll get you to stop talking about the Epstein file. I mean, I don't know. I don't know either. All right. That was just a theory. You just want a theory. You just want some. I said I love a good conspiracy theory. I don't know. Maybe there's a connection. I don't know. Or I think more likely, although not likely, but more likely than this supposed theory is, whoever dropped her off like the sunlocks, maybe there's something there. But then why would she go inside the house, then be hit or hurt or injured and then taking out the front door? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe... Okay. Oh no. We think she was abducted at two in the morning, right? When the pacemaker stopped connecting to her phone or watch. Okay. Because I was thinking maybe she got dropped off and there was some connection where they knew the abductors, like the sun and law dropped her off and then kind of coordinated. But too many hours have passed to really keep it like it was a joint venture. Eleven days and we hope that there's a happy ending to this and we will continue to follow it. So thank you for listening. As always, you can find legally brunette wherever you listen to podcasts. And send Emily into your conspiracy theories and she'll entertain them. Oh, please. 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