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Fui Poseído por el espíritu de un PERRO | Relatos Siniestros De THERIANS

92 min
Feb 24, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Episode explores the phenomenon of 'Therians' — people who identify as animals — through spiritual and paranormal lenses, examining historical connections to Nahualism, possession, and documented cases of humans exhibiting animal behavior. The hosts discuss multiple accounts ranging from ayahuasca-induced transformations to alleged demonic possession, while cautioning against conflating spiritual experiences with modern identity trends and dangerous criminal behavior.

Insights
  • Therian identity has deep historical and cultural roots in indigenous Mexican spirituality (Nahualism) predating modern internet trends by centuries, suggesting the phenomenon is not purely contemporary
  • Dangerous criminal exploitation occurs when individuals use animal identity frameworks to justify abuse of vulnerable people and animals, requiring clear legal and ethical boundaries
  • Spiritual experiences (ayahuasca, possession rituals) can trigger profound psychological states that blur reality perception, requiring professional mental health intervention alongside spiritual guidance
  • Modern online communities amplify fringe behaviors, making it difficult to distinguish between legitimate spiritual practice, mental illness, and predatory exploitation using identity as cover
  • Cultural and religious contexts (indigenous healing, Christian deliverance) provide alternative frameworks for understanding animal-like behavioral manifestations beyond psychiatric diagnosis
Trends
Therian and furry subcultures gaining mainstream visibility through social media, creating both spiritual exploration and exploitation opportunitiesBlurred boundaries between identity expression, mental health conditions, and criminal behavior in online communities lacking gatekeepingResurgence of indigenous spiritual practices (Nahualism, curanderismo) in Latin America intersecting with modern identity movementsCriminal use of alternative spirituality frameworks to justify abuse and exploitation of vulnerable populationsIncreased reporting of possession-like symptoms in religious/spiritual contexts, challenging psychiatric-only diagnostic approachesRitualistic animal abuse linked to occult practices during specific calendar periods (Día de Muertos) in MexicoOnline radicalization through niche communities enabling escalation from identity exploration to harmful behaviorGenerational transmission of spiritual beliefs and practices within families creating vulnerability to exploitationLack of professional resources combining spiritual counseling with mental health treatment in rural/indigenous communitiesMedia sensationalism of paranormal cases potentially normalizing dangerous behaviors among susceptible audiences
Topics
Therian Identity and Animal SpiritualityNahualism and Indigenous Mexican SpiritualityAyahuasca Ceremonies and Spiritual ExperiencesDemonic Possession and Religious DeliveranceMental Health vs. Spiritual ManifestationCriminal Exploitation Using Identity FrameworksFurry Subculture and Animal Role-PlayRitualistic Animal Abuse and Occult PracticesCuranderismo and Traditional HealingSleep Paralysis and Supernatural EncountersPsychological Trauma and Behavioral RegressionOnline Community RadicalizationChild Development and Animal IdentificationPredatory Behavior Disguised as SpiritualityCultural Appropriation of Indigenous Practices
People
Paco Arias
Host of Extra Anormal podcast, leads discussion on Therian phenomenon and paranormal cases
Oscar Herbert
Guest co-host, paranormal researcher, co-founder of 'Ser Regalan Sustos' project with 500k+ subscribers
Daniel Elizondo
Listener from Jalapa, Veracruz who submitted account of friend Mauricio's transformation after ayahuasca ceremony
Mauricio
Subject of first case study; experienced vision of being a tiger during ayahuasca, subsequently exhibited animal beha...
Nabucodonosor
Biblical king referenced as historical example of human-to-animal transformation as divine punishment
Sinacatzin
Aztec warrior historically documented as fighting with jaguar-like abilities and superhuman strength
Evelyn
Michigan woman convicted of holding 10 people captive, treating them as pets with animal names and collars
José/Pepe
Subject of case study; individual who married deceased dog 'Marla' and engaged in zoophilic practices
Juanito
First-grade student exhibiting animal behavior; allegedly cured by grandmother's indigenous healing ritual
Don Hugo
Neighbor falsely accused of animal sacrifice; victim of community scapegoating in ritualistic killing case
Don Guillén
Neighbor revealed to be conducting animal sacrifice rituals during Día de Muertos celebrations
Quotes
"There is something profoundly perturbatory in human beings, and it is when they stop to behave like this. I don't talk about madness, I talk about moments when something breaks, when a human being starts to lose humanity and starts acting like a beast."
Paco AriasOpening
"Ayahuasca doesn't tell you what you want to know. It tells you what you need to know."
Paco AriasFirst story discussion
"I feel so impotent, I have taken something, and he said, I have taken something... I feel like I was a animal in another life. And just mentioned this of what I've talked about. He says that we all have a spiritual connection with an animal."
Mauricio (recounted)First case narrative
"I know that my cousin doesn't lie. I know that my cousin does see things, because it's impossible. How do you explain to us that he, being alone, got those bites that weren't the size of his mouth but the size of a larger animal?"
JulioSecond case conclusion
"I already couldn't be so aware because they told me to go to work in Senada, Baja California. And just a day happened. So, this happened like a year."
Daniel ElizondoFirst case resolution
"The woman who dehumanized humans and converted them into her own pets, into dogs."
Iván (recounting newspaper description)Michigan case
Full Transcript
There is something profoundly perturbatory in human beings, and it is when they stop to behave like this. I don't talk about madness, I talk about moments when something breaks, when a human being starts to lose humanity and starts acting like a beast. No speaks, his eyes change, and even becomes savage. A pesar de que hoy se dan a conocer estos casos de Terians, realmente el origen es mucho más antiguo. Recordemos momentos donde el ser humano se ha conectado con un animal. ¿Te suena algo? Nahualismo, licantropía, incluso posesión. Esta noche vamos a hablar de todos estos casos donde estas personas pierden esa humanidad para volverse bestias. And that in most cases, everything ended well. Welcome. that's how family how family sean welcome to a episode of a podcast extra normal my name is Paco Arias and I'm happy to be again in a episode for all of you family this night we brought a very interesting topic aside from a trend all this movement about people that identify as animals There is a very interesting antecedent, something even spiritual, that has been present not now, but since many years. It comes a little to the issue of Nahualism, men, people who, for some strange reason, they feel that their origin is not human, that even in other life, they were animals. But also within this break we find other cases that are linked to other phenomena that today are still being a taboo. And this night we are going to be telling these stories sinister stories of humans that act as animals. For this topic, I am a special person, favorite of the house and that I am very happy to have him today. Oscar, how are you, brother? Bien, bien. Muy contento de estar aquí contigo. Gracias por la invitación. Oye, yo sé que mucha gente, digo, ya evidentemente saben que casi casi llevas tatuado ahí el nombre en la piel. Pero para la gente que te está conociendo por primera vez, hermano, redes sociales, proyectos y todo. Estamos jugando acá en casa. Me pueden encontrar en todos lados como Oscar Herbert en Facebook, en TikTok, en Instagram. Ahí en mi página de Facebook. Acabo de abrir. I'm watching news, things a little different from the paranormal. I'm talking with all the flots and obviously I'm in the project with you, with Daphne, of Ser Regalan Sustos. We are growing thanks to the extra normal family that has been on this. I know that many people already know, but Ser Regalan Sustos is the primogenit of the Extra Normal Podcast. It was the first project we opened and that we were going to be able to use. And by the way, we are reaching to half a million subscribers for that people support that content, because it's a very fresh, the cult of many things, that, of course, we also have the cult of the Terians, that for many people who cause a lot of rage, there's, as I said, there's a origin and there's a lot of weird cases of life. So if you'd like to see it, please, make sure to make it a little, because I'm very sure that it's going to impact. And now, Oscar, what do you think about this topic? I'll repeat it again. For many people it's a trend, it's a trend, it's a new trend, but it has a fairly old origin. It's interesting. It came out a lot ago, in theory. If I'm not errando in the information, it was in Argentina, which again emerged. But just as you mentioned, se supone que en los 90's ya habían estos grupos de personas de esto lo platicamos en Se Regalan Sustos pero ya buscando ahí información y creo que no es como para pensarle mucho, incluso nuestra propia cultura ya tiene nexos con esta gente que tiene esta conexión con los animales hoy por hoy se ha tomado como un chiste como un señalamiento como lo que sucede en diferentes tribes urbanized that have emerged also during a long time and it is interesting to see that as a culture mexa we also have these connections, at the end our antepasados also had this connection and you put on the history books, how even they were even with the animals to face enemies and that is fascinating of the fact of putting the skin of the animal on the top and that even comes dentro de un tema mismo del nahualismo, de estas personas indígenas que tenían la creencia que podían optar las habilidades y todo lo positivo del animal, desde el olfato, la vista del halcón, la rapidez y agilidad, a lo mejor de un perro, ¿no? Entonces todo esto tiene un origen y sobre todo también existen esas anécdotas porque revisando el correo electrónico encontramos este tipo de historias. Y si me da chance yo te quiero contar la primera historia de esta noche. Nosotros la hemos titulado El Camino del Tigre. Nos las comparte Daniel Elizondo, oriundo de Jalapa, Veracruz. Un saludo, hermano. Gracias por compartir nuestra historia. Él nos dice que hace unos años, muchos años, mejor dicho, conoció a Mauricio. Mauricio es ese amigo que conoces en la escuela, en la preparatoria, sobre todo. Tienen muchas cosas en común. They start to be afines to other events and become great friends. They, great friends from the preparatory, end up and the two enter to the University of Veracruz. They are in Jalapa, Veracruz, where they start to study together. They were these people who were inseparables. All the time the people were seen together. They had many things in common. and, above all, a two liked the mystical theme, the paranormal theme, especially because in the part of the country, we talk about many stories. They, after finishing their studies, said that the father of Mauricio gave a house where they said that it was his prize for to get to that level. It was a pretty beautiful gift, a very big gift. A Daniel, what they gave their parents is a trip. They say, choose the place you want to go to the Republic to go, to enjoy with someone. And then he brings his best friend to Mauricio. They chose a zone, a zone not far away. A zone where there is a mystical environment. And no, no is Catemaco. Aparte, there are other places. Especially one in Oaxaca. ellos deciden ir y empezar a experimentar conocen diferentes culturas donde no precisamente se alaba al dios que toda la gente cree sino tienen también a sus propios dioses prehispánicos y así es como ellos llegan a diferentes ceremonias sobre todo a una ceremonia muy conocida por mucha gente la ceremonia de ayahuasca es un evento y a ver quiero decir algo Ayahuasca is something for what not all are ready. Personally, I consider that alter your body and your mind under this substance that for many people, and I say it with respect, is something sacred. It is not for everyone. You even need to have a type of diet before you eat everything. Suppose that Ayahuasca doesn't tell you what you want to know. It tells you what you need to know. Mucha gente cuando entra en estos trances ingiriendo estas cosas, estas plantas, estas hierbas que te generan alucinaciones y como dicen por ahí un viaje muy espiritual, hay gente que queda en el limbo, hay gente que queda mal. Daniel tells us that his journey was very intense. He saw things of his childhood, he saw many things of his past, of his parents even. He says that under this ceremony, he remembered his parents when he was in his mother's body. O sea, algo impresionante. Él se recuperó, pero su amigo Mauricio, Mau, terminó muy mal. Menciona que el chamán que estaba con ellos empezó a hablarle directamente porque él no salía y no salía de este trance. Él estaba en estado fetal en el piso, estaba llorando, no dejaba de llorar y no dejaba de llorar. Dice que la ceremonia termina y él poco a poco se fue reincorporando, but he didn't stop crying, he had a feeling very strong. After they came to their hotel and they talked about how was your experience, Mauricio tells Daniel that it was a very strong experience. He mentions that he had a vision. In this vision he says that he was not human, he mentions that he was a tiger. He mentions that he had abilities very different to the actual. He had a force, he had a force, and he remembered to go on a pradery, full of other fels, and he felt this feeling of freedom, of power, of authority. He said that he humanly didn't exist. And he cried because he said that when he finished this journey, this vision, he was losing that power, the power that is in the path of the tiger. And this feeling, he mentions it a lot like a child who has taken something to do, and he wants to have something and he wants to have. And he says, I feel so impotent, I have taken something, and he said, I have taken something, I have taken something, I have taken something, even after the ceremony, the next day, he stayed but in that feeling, or in that feeling, Daniel said that he ended his trip and he was a little bit strange and worried about his friend he had left with that feeling. He said that he lived alone, he didn't live with his parents, his friend Mauricio, so Daniel did not live with his parents. He said that he was already in home, he started to put in contact with his friend, oye un mensajito no de whatsapp como estás ya te sientes mejor ya estás más tranquilo pero empezó a notar que mauricio pues no le contestaba los mensajes le dejó algunos mensajes también por messenger o en otras aplicaciones no contestaba la última conexión era de cuando ellos estaban en el viaje entonces era todo muy raro como que se desconectó de todas sus redes sociales y sobre todo había un tema también pendiente dice porque, y lo quiero leer, dice antes de irnos de viaje, recuerdo que Mau estaba saliendo con una chica, Melisa y de pronto Melisa me empieza a escribir preguntándome por él porque tampoco sabe nada, entonces pues como que dejó todo en stand by como que desapareció, dice yo fui a su casa, lo encontré dice estaba en su cuarto, estaba encerrado pero estaba muy callado y muy distinto y siempre repetía lo mismo, necesito regresar al camino del tigre, necesitó regresar a mi origen y repetía mucho esto. Le decía, amigo, yo creo que necesitas ir a terapia, o sea, nosotros vivimos una experiencia espiritual muy fuerte, pero ya terminó, hay que seguir, la vida sigue. Y él decía, no, es que tengo que recuperar eso que me fue arrebatado, tengo que recuperar mi origen, tengo que recuperar mi identidad. Y dice que Mauricio se exaltaba y hasta cierto punto se molestaba. he said okay, I'm going to your room, I'll talk tomorrow, I'll see how you're going. And he said he went. He said he went. He said he even the mother of Mauricio spoke to him and said, hey, you know, if my son is okay, we've been looking for, we've invited to family food, all this, the mother of Mauricio. He said he didn't respond, he didn't want to know anything about us. He said he said he's in drugs or something. Dice, no señora, nosotros fuimos, estuvimos en una ceremonia ayahuasca, pasó esto y pues también conmigo se ha portado de esa manera. Yo creo que lo conveniente es que le demos su espacio. Él tiene que poner los pies en la tierra y tiene que poner todas estas cosas mentales en orden. Entonces como que la familia también le dio su espacio, todo esto, pero a ellos les llama la atención porque pasan los días. and says Daniel that Mao gave his social media. All the social media you search, he at the beginning thought that he had blocked but no, he realized that he gave his everything, even his phone had the phone apagated. So, literally he disconnected from everything. At this point, he had been about about a month and the family, the friends, the girl with the who was coming, everyone asked what happened with Mao, why that is acting in that way. And here comes a very strong part, because he said, I have to go, I'm going to talk to him, he's my best friend, and if he needs help, help, help psicological, I'm going to take it, because I can't let him stay there. And he said that he decided, one day, to go to his house. He said that he came, the door was closed, he goes through the window, everything was dark, everything was closed, or like everything was very strange. He said, fortunately, as I am his best friend, I knew the trick to open that door because he often had a key to open the door. So there was a trick to open it. He said, we open it using a card. I enter, and for my surprise, when I open the door, the first thing I feel is a smell, like a meat, like something like a puddle. dice las luces de la sala estaban apagadas pero había un desastre dice platos tirados la silla o sea como que pasó un tornado por todo ahí y sobre todo dice un aroma apestoso dice apestaba a mil cosas pero sobre todo como cuando se echa a perder la carne dice yo desde la entrada le grité Mau Mauricio soy Daniel ¿estás? o sea tenía como cierto temor entrar, o sea, y dice, y no sé por qué, o sea, no sé por qué tenía miedo, pero pues después de un rato de ver que nadie respondía, él empezó a escuchar pisos, pisadas, perdón, en el segundo piso, y dice, está arriba, pero no me contesta, no, no responde, él con un poco de, pues, temor, dice que entra, y cuando va entrando se da cuenta que en la sala cerca de un sofá, dice Paco, había what seemed rest of a dog, but that was like someone tried to eat it or something like that. He was there, had pieces of meat, and that was what caused this smell. He said, I was going to get out of the window when I saw all that. I was going to go to the stairs with fear, but at this point, I felt like this presentimiento de que algo estaba pasando llego hasta su cuarto a la puerta, le toco le digo, wow soy yo tu amigo, Dani como estás amigo, vengo a verte todo el mundo está preocupado por ti o sea, no se atrevía a abrir la puerta amigo tenemos que hablar tienes que regresar a tu vida yo sé que estás pasando por algo que tal vez nosotros no comprendemos intentó ser muy comprensivo dice que él gira la manija de la puerta y la abre y se va abriendo poco a poquito la puerta dice todo estaba oscuro las ventanas estaban cerradas y lo vi a él estaba completamente desnudo estaba de espaldas pero estaba con una posición extraña cuando ve que yo abro la puerta voltea y esto que voy a decir es algo impresionante porque dice en ese momento al verle la cara su cara había cambiado, pero sobre todo sus ojos daban ese reflejo ese reflejo que nosotros vemos en gatos o en algunos felinos, sus ojos eran distintos en ese momento el miedo me empezó a invadir yo sabía que algo estaba pasando con mi mejor amigo yo le volví a hablar y le dije Mau, tienes que salir de aquí cuando enciendo la luz he immediately went on the coups and started to try to agred me, he entered the fingers, tried to mord me and I said, cabrón, what do you happen? reacciona, but he was very aggressive, for this he said he had a force very strong, he said he had a force overhuman, he and I have the same complexion, we have the same age, in some moment we did this, we had the same force, we have the same a force, but it was like if I was fighting with someone who had 3 or 4 times more force than me. I remember that to defend myself I hit my face and it was like I could get up, I was going to go up, I went to the stairs, I went to my vehicle, I was going to go to my mom, I was going to go to his mom and told me, she said, she is, she is, she is like, she is like, le empezó a platicar, dice que él cierra la puerta y se quedó mirando desde la ventana del segundo piso no hablaba pero su mirada ya era otra, decía su mirada de verdad era como de un animal, era como de una bestia pero esa no sé, esa sensación y esos ojos no era mi amigo, dice que la familia estuvo intentando ayudarlo fueron a visitarlo pero él no recibía a nadie con la única persona que lograba a little bit, because he didn't talk anything, was with his mom. And that's because his mom literally cried and said, you have to go back to your life. You are a professional, you have a university, you have a future ahead. And he didn't. He was like if his mind, like if his essence was going to be dead and instead of that, was the animal. He said that they were passing weeks and he went away from him. He said, no because he was a bad friend, but because I was going to get him, he tried to attack me. I was talking a lot with his sister and his sister was the one who kept me in the same way. He said that there were even pastors, Christians, Christians, priests, to try to see him. because they thought that it was a different topic. They said, I already couldn't be so aware because they told me to go to work in Senada, Baja California. And just a day happened. So, this happened like a year. He mentions that when he comes back to know of Mauricio, it was by a Facebook post-in-law of his sister, where she invited friends, friends and acquaintances for the memorial of Mauricio. He quickly talks and tells you what happened. And it's where he said, he just went to his house and found him in his apartment. He was dead. He saw many injuries in his arm, right, right. He found him in a horrible situation. He was like a bit of a disease. He had stopped eating. He had diseases in his apartment. He told him that everything was very ugly. but unfortunately they couldn't help him. This is the story of Mauricio and we share it with Daniel. Thank you, Daniel, for giving us this episode. What do you think? It's very strong the issue of the Terians, which is what we're talking about, the teriantropia. Ahorita you said several things. There's a point very important. This person has a mental state like the of an animal, like the of a beast. And I say, those who are here is because we love the spiritual issue, the angels, the demons, the spirits, and where we were at. And I was reminded, just a story that appears in the Bible of the king Nabucodonosor. You remember that, just a little bit of a kind of maldiction for not recognizing the power of God. And it's a great phrase, so great, that I love, que dice esta es la gran Babilonia que yo he edificado y a partir de ahí él comienza a comer como animal su cabello se hace muy largo dice la Biblia que sus uñas se le hacen como garras, el cabello parecía que traía plumas y él se queda comiendo prácticamente como una bestia que es el significado de los Teriens mencionaste eso, mencionaste el camino de los felinos que eso también es muy fuerte sobre todo con nuestra cultura porque la otra vez está platicando con a friend and told him to do a clean clean, because he felt that something was happening both in the life of him as in the life of his family And he said that he was with a person with a woman from here And he said that when he was working he was cleaning he said that he started having a kind of a journey. And he called a lot of attention because he said that he felt like a prisoner. And suddenly he saw in a kind of a forest forest and he said that the old Wow. Wow. si fuera un jaguar. Y esto, cuando te pones a ver la historia de nosotros, estaba por ahí leyendo y hay un personaje histórico se llamaba Sinacanzi. Sinacatzin, perdón. Y este era un guerrero. Era un guerrero mexica. Y me gusta la historia porque tanto los escritores mexas como los europeos lo mencionan como un guerrero que era temido por todos. Y la primera vez que llegan los españoles, ellos decían que le tenían... Querían atravesarse con todos, menos con él. Porque enfrentarse en una batalla de cuerpo a cuerpo era garantía de que no iban a sobrevivir. Y me fascina porque nosotros como mexicanos tenemos mucho esta conexión con estos animales, sobre todo con los felinos. Los jaguares, los tigrillos, que hay muchos por esta zona. Y cuando ves los dibujos o las recreaciones de este soldado, is disguised as a jaguar. Yes. And is fighting against the Europeans. And we know how the story is. Yes. It is mentioned that it had a force, even overhuman force, a force quite strange. Very similar to other characters of the mythology or at least of the scriptures. You say how is connected one thing with the other. And the issue of the felons is very interesting because we know a lot of stories where they end up these animals, or at least those that we have in casa, which are the cats. Yes. And I'm going to mention it because I'm going to talk about a story of this. A ver, adelante. This story is anonymous. We're going to put the names of the characters. We're going to put Yafet and Julio. Yafet and Julio were primos. And practically, they were neighbors. It mentions Julio, that lived in a few houses of separation. and that his cousin had the opportunity, or better than a bad fortune, of living with his grandmother. Why? Because the parents had been gone. The grandmother was one of these people who at some point they did their own property and the house where they were was very large. The lady had several quarters of rent and had several dogs, several cats. So, it says Julio that with Yafet all the time they were like my best friends and almost always were cotorreando, they were together together. But I know that his brother had a pretty strange attitude and he calls it normal. And I understand that a lot of people love the animals, the birds, whatever they want. But he said that his brother said that he had a connection with animals, that even he could understand them in his own language. And he said that he was very bizarre. He said, yes, I like the dogs, but you're going to put them on their hands or that you hear that you hear it's quite a bit of your part. He says, no, I hear you. He says that this happened since they had about 8 years. When he was passing the time, he says that his primum more and more was put in this topic. And he said, I feel like I was a animal in another life. And just mentioned this of what I've talked about. He says that we all have a spiritual connection with an animal, ya sea terrestre, ya sea un ave o acuático. Y es que nadie me entiende. Y los que me entienden son ellos, ustedes no. Y eres como, no, espérate, estás exagerando. Hubo un momento donde Jafet menciona que alguien le había contado acerca del mito de las lagañas de los perros. Uy, no. Ajá, y él decía, es que yo sé que si me llevo a poner una de las lagañas, voy a ver algo. me fascina el tema espiritual y yo sé que aquí en la casa suceden cosas y su primo no, te vas a enfermar, eso te puede traer infecciones, problemas y mi abuelita pues si tiene su dinero pero pues no le está yendo tan bien con las rentas y le vas a generar un problema más que otra cosa y dice no, no me va a pasar nada y dice que pues como en la casa de la abuela había demasiados perros andaba constantemente atrás de ellos y hubo un momento donde a uno de estos perritos le logra limpiar los ojos and put these things in his mind. It's supposed to be that this myth says that at midnight, the animals or the people who put the lagañas start to see something. The spiritual world. And it says that Julio is doing that. He told that he put it in the window and waited. And that it didn't happen. He started to poke his eyes and of the time, more later, he said, here are things that you have seen. And he starts to laugh and he says, you only want to be scared. He says, really? I have seen things after I put this in the eyes. He says, what have you seen? He says, I have seen that here there are people who are not in the squad, who are not in the colony. He says, what do you have to do? They are visitors. He says, no, really, I see them. And then he says that they were talking about it And that of a sudden he says There is a spirit And in that instant, the baby of Julio He begins to come out In the outside And he says, this is coincidence, I can't believe it He says, no one has no one And it happens And then he says And then he says, the death of Julio And he says, the death of Julio And he says, the death of Julio Alguien is going to die Because I already saw him And in a few minutes, leave a my other neighbor, a man who behind. And that is where Julia says, I think I thought, he's a little bit, but he seems like it's real. He's multiplying. He turns out. And says She, heמ�esto one day, he came to friend and grandma and believes that his uncle all around and grow instead with7 Texo, andольз notamment with his dogs. Andrique, she appears to speak and signals to the animals. He says, Hey, you what are you doing? He says, no nothing, here he will take care of animals. And he says that se había generado una conexión bastante extraña. Obviamente desde muy pequeño se había llevado bien con los animales, pero parecía que sí tenían ya una comunicación de adeberas en ese momento. Entonces dice Julio que empieza a tener él, comienza a tener pesadillas. Y él se molesta porque dice, esto es culpa de mi primo, me está metiendo un montón de ideas en la cabeza y esto es lo que me está haciendo soñar cosas. Julio dice Que de pronto Llegaba a su casa Un perro O mejor dicho Un ser con cuerpo humano Y cabeza de perro Y dice que de pronto le pegaba así en la ventana Y le gruñía Y él se tapaba y le decía Vete, vete Y este animal se le quedaba viendo como con odio Y le seguía golpeando Y ya él se despertaba así todo espantado Y es como, yafet, por su culpa estoy soñando estas tonterías No dijo nada Se quedó con eso Es una pesadilla más Mientras tanto, yafet se ve con su historia Y dice que vuelve a soñar Pero esta vez el animal Ya estaba adentro Estaba en su cuarto Dice que él en su sueño se despierta Como cuando tienes una parálisis del sueño Y comienza a sentir El aliento fétido De este animal Y empieza a escuchar un gruñido and he opens his eyes and says that he feels like the baby of the animal starts to fall in the face. And he's like a hit and he's waking up and he's waking up. He's like no one sees anyone. He begins to have this concern. He says his mom, he's like I've been having a lot of pain. He says, well, yes, you're all the time watching movies of terror. You're talking about the things with that son. And obviously, that's why he's so so many things. He says, what the most caught my attention of this is that I, sin decirle a mi primo lo que yo estaba soñando, llega con un gatito, de la abuela también eran de él y le dice, ten primo dice, ¿y esto qué? dice, no, pues si es de la abuela, a mí que me lo das te va a cuidar en tus pesadillas y dice ¿de qué pesadillas estás hablando? dice, yo sé que algo te está atormentando porque mis amigos me lo dijeron y él te va a proteger quédatelo, luego me lo regreses. Y ella dice que agarró el gatito, lo dejó ahí en la casa y su mamá, ¿qué hace con eso si es de mi mamá? No, me lo prestó un rato. Dice que se quedó el gatito ahí en su cuarto y que dejó de tener estas pesadillas. Y cada vez que él tenía estos recuerdos, dice que el gatito se acercaba y le daba vueltas así en los pies, en las piernas, y de pronto como que se erizaba. Y ya se le iba el miedo. Entonces esto le He starts to worry about Julio. I think my cousin has right in everything that he is saying. Well, they end the pesadillas. He returns the cat to his cousin. And they pass another day more. And when he comes to visit his grandmother, he turns out that the cat had been revived. He says, and it's impressive because the animal was totally dry. Y Yafed tenía culpa, dice, es que yo te lo di porque es de protección, pero no pensé que iba a pasar esto. Y ya, pues entierran al gatito y pasa toda esta situación. Y poco tiempo después, dice que Yafed empezó a tener estas pesadillas, pero a él sí lo atacaban. Dice que en un momento la abuela habla por teléfono a su casa y le pide ayuda a sus papás. vengan a ayudarme con mi nieto porque está muy malo está gritando y dice que hay algo que se lo quiere llevar y pues Yafet estaba totalmente alterado, gritaba y decía no, no quiero, no quiero estar solo pero tampoco quiero que estén ustedes conmigo porque les va a pasar algo y ya su tío, no te va a pasar nada es que ustedes no me pueden cuidar de lo que yo sé de lo que he visto y se quedaron unos días ahí con él y en una madrugada Yafet se despierta Aterrorizado Gritaba, dice es que está allá afuera Está allá afuera y mis amigos ya no me pueden Proteger Yafet era el mismo que se había puesto las lagañas del perro Y le dice no es que no hay nadie Aquí no hay nadie, dice si es que yo lo estoy viendo Y ustedes no lo pueden ver, ustedes no lo entienden No entienden porque no pueden ver lo que yo veo Este está loco Entonces esa misma En ese mismo día, esa misma noche Se queda dormido Yafet Se quedan ahí sus tíos su primo y pues la abuelita ahí al pendiente del cuarto que le había dado a su nieto y dice que Yafed empieza a gritar Yafed estaba solo en su cuarto y comienza a gritar entra el tío, el papá el papá de Julio, entra al cuarto y le dice ¿qué tienes? y cuando ¿qué tienes? se presiona su brazo estaba totalmente ensangrentado le dice ¿qué te estás haciendo? dice no, yo no me estoy haciendo nada y vuelve a gritar y dice es que me está atacando Julio dice que su primo tenía una mordida en el brazo, pero una mordida no como si él se la hubiera hecho, como si algo hubiese entrado a la habitación y le hubiera arrancado prácticamente un pedazo. Y dice que las marcas eran como de un animal. Y dice Julio que la descripción de su primo era como el espíritu que llegaba a atormentarlo a él en sus sueños. In his dreams. And he said, he's going to take it. It's impossible that you can take it. They took the doctor, they did an analysis, even they had to put the injection of the rabies because it seemed like it was a animal. No man. Well, to not make this more long, this tragedy, at some point, Yafet came out with more brands. They ended up taking it with other doctors. It was very strange. algunos mencionaban que él mismo se hacía estas heridas, pero no tenía sentido porque incluso hasta en su espalda tenían estas marcas. Se lo terminan llevando, lo meten a un estudio y se va a un hospital psiquiátrico. Y ahí se quedó. Dice Julio, yo sé que mi primo no está loco. Yo sé que mi primo sí ve cosas, porque es imposible. ¿Cómo nos explicas a nosotros que él estando solo le salieron esas mordidas que no eran del tamaño de su boca eran del tamaño de un animal más grande y la descripción que da es justamente del espíritu que yo estaba viendo me atormentaba y sé que es la misma cosa que se terminó llevando al gatito que me estaba protegiendo en mis sueños esto sucedió en el estado de Guerrero y me pidió que fuera de manera anónima por respeto a la familia obviamente los nombres fueron cambiados fueron de otras personas but this story happened for about 6 years no manches, it's not so much time that difficult, look at that that's the issue of the lagañas of the dogs, I'll give you a spoiler because I'm going to grab a episode with the doc that he gave us a ritual, or he gave us a story of a person that wanted to see what the animal sees and then, there is this myth this myth, that putting you the lagañas of the dogs here you will know, you will know resulta que sí existe un ritual y no es tan sencillo como se piensa no es como que va el perro, le quito las lagañas y me las pongo yo o sea, hay un procedimiento, es un ritual realmente complejo y como que la parte más fuerte es hacer eso o sea, es como lo que más se conoce del ritual la gente lo da a conocer solamente por ese acto pero no conocen el ritual completo y también en esa historia que espera en la más adelante a person ends up wrong because they were not ready to see what the animals can see. That's strong. There's a practice in England where they don't put the slagas. They get a heart of a cormor. And there's another procedure. And you end up putting this heart underneath your arm. This is supposed to do to have the gift of the prophecy. Oh, no manches, no lo sabía. Qué fuerte. Con prácticas de que lado del mundo. A la vida, sí, están cañonas. Mira, yo te voy a contar esta segunda historia que hemos nosotros titulado La Señora de los Perros. Esto nos lo comparte Iván, que actualmente vive en Ecatepec, Estado de México. Un saludo, hermano. Gracias por compartirnos tu historia. Él nos dice que su papá se fue a Estados Unidos a trabajar cerca de 15 años. He said he went to work exactly the year in which I was born, 1995. After being 15, about 16 years working in the United States, exactly in the state of Michigan, he returned to Mexico because he was sending my mom this money to build the house. Actualmente, there in Ecatepec, they have a neighborhood where his mom bought the land más o menos por el año más o menos 2003-2004 y su papá le estaba enviando pues el dinero para construir pues estos departamentos, entonces la verdad el señor se fue fue a trabajar muy bien, regresó y pues ahí está con él después de este viaje ya es un señor ya muy grande de edad dice que ya oscila los 70 y tantos años le cuenta tantas cosas que vivió en Estados Unidos, en Michigan and he says that he lived a little bit of things, strange, because I have to make a parenthesis, there are people with, and I tell you that you are listening to this, there are people with you, there are people with you, Platicas, incluso, incluso puede haber gente con la que tú vives, que de día puede ser una persona lo más normal, pero hay momentos donde estas personas pueden cambiar y pueden ser distintas, pueden ser monstruos. He says that in the first months he came to Michigan, he was working as a repartitor of food. He says that at that time he was in a motorcycle, reparting, well, casa by casa, not all the orders. He says that when he had more than 15-20 days of having entered a job, he began to arrive at night, big orders. first were five pizzas then eight then ten and he said it was a house that had a black door that didn't let you see anything inside and when I arrived a woman of 60 or 70 years already of the pelo canoso there was a window of his door there was a food Y ella me pagaba y dice la verdad yo no la voy a olvidar porque esa señora me dejaba propinas muy generosas. Dice la verdad a veces me dejaba lo del valor de un solo alimento. Entonces a él se le hizo costumbre ir a dejar pedidos a esta señora. Dice lo extraño es que esta señora tenía quién sabe cuántos perros. Dice desde que yo llegaba a su domicilio que escuchaba en la motocicleta, los animales empezaban a azotar contra el portón. and he said, but really? That, of course, that was super-reforced, because I don't know if they were Rottweilers, or who knows what race was, because they were azotados and began to grunir, like a buff, and he said that he knew that as he arrived, these animals began to azotarse, and then he heard how he said, quítate tú, hasta que llegaba, pagaba, and then all that. He said that he was interested in the attention and in some moment asked for this lady and he gave a name. The lady called Evelyn. They said that supposedly this lady took the dogs from the street and that in her house, as it was supposed to be a young man who inherited her husband a great fortune, there in her own house has a refuge of animals. Los vecinos decían que era una muy buena persona Que incluso ella promovía estos movimientos de protección animal Estas campañas hacia los perritos, hacia los gatitos La esterilización y todo esto Entonces muchos vecinos a esta señora le llevaban alimentos, croquetas y todo esto A él lo que se le hacía extraño es que dice Por lo menos a la semana, unas tres veces, ordenaba comida Pero en volumen la gente decía que era porque llegaban sus hijos que eran de fuera o eran como que voluntarios que trabajaban con ella porque también decían que rentaba cuartos en su casa porque era una casa muy grande y que tenía ahí como a estudiantes y cosas así entonces este señor, el papá de Iván mientras estuvo trabajando esos meses en Michigan como repartidor dice que constantemente iba y dejaba estos pedidos ahí hubo un tiempo donde la señora dejó of making the orders and he refused to go to work to work in another place, to work in a ranch. Here the interesting thing is that as all this happened in Michigan, in those years, 1900 and something, he said that he started in the newspapers, in the newspapers, things very turbias about the house where he gave the pizzas. resulta y resalta esto está fuertísimo por eso te decía cuidado con la gente normal la gente empezó los vecinos empezaron a reportar malos olores malos olores y algunos empezaban a reportar ruidos extraños no eran ladridos de perro eran gritos de personas entonces los vecinos empezaron como a ask what was happening because these grits were not the day. They began from the 2am, 3am, 4am. And the neighbors were worried because they knew that in that house only lived Doña Evelyn, a young man. So they generated, beyond the suspect, a doubt of if the lady was fine. So they gave avis to the authorities that they were listening to the noise and golpes y cosas extrañas en la casa de una señora viuda que tiene el refugio. Resulta que la policía va al domicilio y lo que encuentran no eran animales, eran humanos. Eran 10 personas, 7 hombres y 3 mujeres. Todos desnudos, desnutridos. unos tenían correa como si fueran perros otros tenían como trajes igual como disfraces como de animal una de las mujeres estaba embarazada tenía cerca de unos 6, 7 meses y la mayoría tenían estos collares que son como de caninos y tenían nombres tipo firulais tipo spike o sea, nombres de animal the police would take a look at the entrance and realize that there was this people started to talk and they started to act like animals they were not aware of they were not aware of they started to take different medical exams and they found in these people high quality no estaban conscientes se las llevan les empiezan a hacer diferentes ex m y encuentran en esas personas altas cantidades de sustancias que alteraban pues la mente las personas cuando salen después de este efecto todas las 10 personas estaban en shock todas y todas tenían reportes of discovery the You were 13 people La large majority, the women were domestic employees of the men, they had a car and others were dealers ambulances of the path suppose that this人 nothing that just gave a testimony is that this woman would say that she was only that looked out and that she'd have some things touched They prized out at their homes Ella les ofrecía de beber y ya ellos ya no recordaban nada, se supone que les daba una bebida adulterada y desde entonces la palabra que usaron en este diario y Iván me lo platica porque su padre también le cuenta pues todo esto, es la mujer que deshumanizaba a los humanos y los convertía en sus propias mascotas, en perros. lo aterrador de esta historia que es real, este caso ocurrió en Michigan y que el papá de Iván iba a dejar comida a este domicilio dice que detienen a la señora la detienen y llamó tanto la atención porque se supone que en las audiencias en los interrogatorios le decían ¿por qué lo hizo? ¿por qué tenía a hombres y mujeres como perros, como mascotas? And she said, what people? No, I have my dogs. And how are my dogs? I was fighting. The lady, the lady, or what seemed, was not good in the head. And she all the time refused to have people. She said, no, my mascotas are my dogs. And she asked, how are my dogs? She, in some moment, because she said that she had a personality disorder, Llegó a decir que el mundo exterior era muy cruel para sus mascotas. Y ella estaba creando un lugar perfecto para que ellos ahí vivieran. O sea, algo súper enfermo. A esta señora la meten a prisión, le dan por ahí una condena que no cumple, porque a los dos años de haber entrado a prisión, esa señora muere por causas naturales. But this case was very known in the newspapers in Michigan in the years 1900, at the end of the 2000s, it was super known because the lady was being able to have people as mascotas. And that was, I will show you an image. We built this image with artificial intelligence to see because it was the image of when they took these people from the house. Only they saw the police and a camilla. It's the only image that was put in the newspaper. At that time, we reconstructed this with images with artificial intelligence because it was super boring. But no manches, man. Where did people get sick? I remember a little bit, and I know this is a lot of the reality. There is a creepypasta for those who like it. I found it by there, about John Bonachon and Garfield. Ah, of course. And it's very, very turbia, because it's supposed to be that in all this story we know about Garfield, you know that John Bonachon was a good guy. He had constant visits, and he left Garfield and Odie. y pues bueno, esta creepypasta resulta que tanto Odie como Garfield eran humanos. A Garfield lo trataba justamente como un mishi y le daba de comer y a Odie lo tenía por ahí encerrado. Y aparte tenía justamente a unas personas, las tenía en cautiverio. En su sótano, ¿no? Sí, a las citas con las que salía. Oye, es que lo vuelvo a repetir lo mismo que dije hace rato. O sea, son casos que inspiran a la ficción porque yo creo que de ahí nacen these stories that are written in guines, in theater, in cinema, I mean, the cinema serialized States, or, there is one, I don't remember exactly the name, that had like a fetish. This person came with women, but he was a cazador. Or, his father was a cazador, and he was instructed to come to school to come to caz. and this person, for that they see the sick, this one can look, it exists, he captured these women and he carried them to where their center was and said to them, I'm going to give a chance to live, but you have to go or he was like a liar, or he was like a liar, or he was like a liar, or he was like a liar, like a liar, you have to go out of the cazador, and he said I'm going to give 10 seconds to go, and all his victims started to go, and he was like a game of roles, and he was like a casar y esa satisfacción de empecé o sea, de verdad a él lo detienen porque una persona, una mujer, logró escapar en ese tiempo y fue y lo denunció y fue que se dio a conocer, de verdad, búsquenlo para que vean o sea, estos casos que traemos suenan loquísimos, pero la mente de la gente de verdad está enferma. Hablando de eso hablando de los roles, hay un tema por ahí, el pop y play or the game of mascotas. There are people who like to feel just from the topic that we're talking about. Yes. And while they're feeling like a dog, a dog or an animal, they work like a lot of people. There are some cases where they're going to get some susts. And they're going to the street and start to pase it, supposedly. And there are other practices. The furries. Have you heard about the furries? And within this concept There is another A more obscure That has to do with the intimate Of these people That they like to disfrazarse And just to say A friend of the Darian Tell us to have relationships Like animals Yes, just And they are of these events Where many people participate And well This story is called Marla and the characters they call Josh and we call Josh and we call Josh Pepe well, it's a lot of people well, it's a lot of people Josh begins to have this inquietude it's called the attention to go to the street to be very different to the theme of the Teniers he begins to have this group of friends he begins to frequent and all this happens because of a publication on Facebook this happens in the city of Mexico Ok And he said that he was going to go to these places Everything was cool, everything was fine Everything was fine, everything was fine And they left it here Until he knew Pepe And Pepe had a fascination By the canines, by the wolves By the perros And they had their jobs They were working people They had their roles And at the end they did this as a pass time The detail is that when he met Pepe And he began to give attention well Pepe brought things to another extreme they started to get out of the way you know, you know, the chat that you go to a cafe, that you go to a bar and Pepe spoke about these practices, the shift they call these practices and to see what they're talking about no, it's the act of having relationships disfrazados okay, maybe, maybe I'm interested in it but he said that to her, he liked this guy and he said that they started to get more and the relationship begins to escalate then they come to the house of Pepe and he tells me I have to confess that I had a relationship but she didn't accept me with this I didn't accept how I am and she left but it was all fine I don't have any compromises y me gustaría tener una relación como más formal contigo y pues a ellas como que pues sí está chido, órale y comienzan a tener esta relación dice que pues ya cuando iban dependiendo a casa de Pepe o a casa de ellos pues tenían estos encuentros íntimos, disfrazados pero dice que había algo que le llamaba mucho la atención de una manera un tanto negativa dice que Pepe era como que muy extremo con estas cosas even the day he was scared because he acted like a beast and not only in the physical act. He said that one morning he woke up, he was in the house of Pepe and he heard that they were in the kitchen, that they were eating. And of course he came from the room and he was asom and Pepe practically was eating and eating from a dog, in the kitchen. No manches. And he said, what are you doing? What are you doing, Jose? And he said, today I'm not going to be Jose. And he said, what do you want to eat? And he said that this guy he brings the plate like if he was a dog. And he said, no, no manches, I'm not in the plan of this. I'm not in the plan. No, no, no, no, how do you think? And he said that he's going to be back to the room and that when he's in the room, he comes this man, but he walks, like a gatekeeper, practically. And he starts to grunt and then he goes to the bed and he starts to lamer. And he says, wait, this is already me. He goes to that day and says that a night later, he was sleeping. And suddenly he heard, what we hear at home when we have dogs, he heard that he heard the cats of a dog. and he called the attention because in all the time he had been out with Jose he said that he never had mentioned he had not even had indications of having a mascot and he said that he had a mascot and he said, hey hey what do you want? it's like a animal here you have a mascot and he said, no let's do it and he said that he had a mascot and he said that he had a mascot and he said that it's what we do when a perro and she goes by the house and she doesn't hear that there is something inside, or a dog, and then she returns and she's back, and then she says that when they had intimated, she says that Jose, again in a savage way, even grunía and the bite, but she says that this thing was not so passionate, she says that it was a bizarre thing, that it was a with the final of lastimating her practically. Okay. And she says that while she was in the act, she suddenly felt a look at the door. And she says that she turns to the door. And just what you mentioned in the first story, in the dark dark, she sees two eyes that are shining. And she says, what is that? She takes it and says, what is that? No, there is no one here. And she realizes that she goes and goes walking strong. Real hoping And if she helps to speak Dis teammate That's not an equation Yeah ask you He said no a much I am not doing it Talking man He said no is nothing He said yeah he fell She's a lies Fantastic She wants to sell He said but he's a mouse That's a mouse A night that died everything on the nowadays to death, tell Phillip that they were asleep at lot of Qs... and that suddenly she has the machine laying downつimir and said that they feel like a bit of arel top. The seconds he and he laughing the hand. When they said to you he, they went to the back and said that atrás, dice ella que de una perrita, de una perra así como gris con manchas blancas y se va corriendo y ella se levanta así de sopetón y se va detrás de la perrita y la perrita da la vuelta y se mete como en una bodega o eso fue lo que ella pensó cuando llega a la bodega le empieza, lo quiere abrir y no puede, dice que tenía candado y ya toca así y empieza a hacer y dice que escucha the other side of the door that they start to rasize like a little bit of a little bit and she sigilosamente because José was dormant she begins to look at the keys and begins to look at each other and she says that the last one turns and when she opens the door she says that she's afraid she's going to be the light and she says that when she starts to open the door she says that she starts to see many pictures y le llama mucho la atención e incluso empieza a llorar. Resulta que en ese cuarto había fotos de una perrita, justamente como la que ella había visto, gris con manchas blancas. Dice que esta perrita tenía un ojo azul y el otro lo tenía de un color oscuro. and says that what he saw in that room he gave a lot of sadness and a lot of ass he saw a picture where he was with a girl, with this girl and she was abrazing the girl had a vest there was another picture where it was practically like a wedding and in the next picture estaba José teniendo relaciones con una perra. No, macho. El nombre de la perra era Marla. Nunca estuvo casado con una mujer. Él se casó con el animalito que tenía disecado en ese cuarto. No, macho. O sea, la tenía ahí. Sí. Y dice ella que gritó, salió de la casa. Dijo, eres un pinche enfermo. ¿Por qué estás haciendo esto? te voy a denunciar, esto es un delito. Y él, no, espérate, te lo tengo que explicar. Es que yo me identifico como un canino. Ella era mi esposa, pero pues tampoco me hace... No, manches. Dice ella que cuando se acuerda que le dice que su esposa o su expareja no lo aceptaba como era, tenía mucho sentido, porque era un humano. Obviamente la perrita no quería estar de esa manera con este enfermo. Y dice que se sale, evidentemente, hace una denuncia, pero que cuando va la policía a buscarlo, ya no estaba. Y no se supo a dónde se fue este enfermo. Pero esa era la relación que tenía José con su ex. Ves, hermano. No, manches, qué giro tan extraordinariamente enfermo, aterrador. Digo, pues respetamos, ¿no? La decisión de mucha gente siempre y cuando no te metas and affectes a the most weak men, women, children and animals because at that point you are violenting a part important so evidently there no one accepts that type of practices I mean, poor animal how much has suffered from this sick imagine how sad how cruel what you mentioned you have to give a sust is respectable everything you want you want to identify and if otra vez, a veces es un tema donde incluso comienza un señalamiento o una burla y mientras tanto tú no afectes a terceras personas a otras especies todo está bien este tema es muy delicado porque pienso que es una línea justamente muy muy finita donde alguien o cierto sector de estos grupos pueden sobrepasar y sucede en todos lados sucede en el tema de donde las personas People identify themselves as children. The trans-edad. Yes, like with these topics. I have 40 years, but I'm going to identify with one of five. With the intention of being close to them. What a enfermary is, brother. Yes, here is where it is already a lot of delicate. Everything is very good with what you want to connect, identify. But when you reach these points of disfraging one thing with another, it is already a lot of turban. I think it is the moment where people, que tiene este tipo de pensamientos tan oscuros, aprovechen estos movimientos para poder generar placeres hacia ellos, estos fetiches, estas cosas que probablemente muchas son ilegales, lo puedan hacer bajo la bandera de algo de lo que está siendo tendencia. Yo creo que eso es muy triste, es muy delicado. Mucho ojo a toda la gente que escucha esto, mucho cuidado. Ahí se los encargo. I want to tell you a story, to finish this, a third story that is really quite strange. We have titled The Niño Perro. This one has shared a person from Mexico, she is maestra maestra de primaria en una escuela rural y nos comparte algo que pasó, justamente no tiene tanto tiempo, tendrá unos 5 años aproximadamente, más o menos indicios del 2020. Ella nos dice que lleva cerca de 16 años trabajando como maestra de primaria y casi siempre da primero, segundo, tercer grado. No, ella tiene esta facultad, dice, yo he hecho que muchos niños pues aprendieran a leer, a escribir, ha estado en escuelas indígenas, una persona con de verdad una trayectoria bastante importante. Le ha tocado, al igual que a mi madre, estar en escuelas rurales bastante alejadas de la civilización, que incluso en una de ellas dice, tenías que pasar en lancha para poder llegar a la escuela junto con varios niños. And he says, as a teacher, as a teacher, also a teacher bilingual, he says, I've been with many things with different students. He says, but I never, never will forget the case of one in special. A child that came to first grade, we have changed, if I do the name complete, we are going to change, we are going to put a name like Juan, Juanito. Juanito came to first grade. like context, Juanito era el hermano menor, tenía su hermano mayor, que ella dice que también le dio clases cuando Juanito entra a primer grado, su hermano mayor ya estaba pasando a quinto dice, yo recuerdo mucho a su hermano mayor vamos a ponerle Ismael es un niño muy tranquilo, muy noble no se metía en problemas muy inteligente de hecho salía en los cuadros de honor entonces dice, mi error a lo mejor de maestra fue pensar que Juan iba a ser igual que Ismael, típico su hermano. Dice, pero no, me topé con un niño bastante imperativo, bastante inquieto, bastante distraído. Había un momento donde ella pensó que este niño tenía algún tipo de trastorno como retraso, porque el niño no hablaba bien. Decía que para primer grado, digo, yo no soy profesional en esto, no lo sé, pero ella dice que este niño no hablaba bien, por lo cual se le complicó mucho to learn and write. So, it was a little difficult to take ahead this little child. But there was something strange in this child. This child began to bite everything. It's really, it's impressive. The pockets, the pillow, the scissors, everything was bite. The strength that had this child in his jaw was impressive. He said, He began to perseguir his companions and the children played to him. His children were playing, but his behavior was very different from his brother-in-law. And he was talking to his brother, his brother told me something. My brother said, he said, he said something very similar to what you told me. He said that he understood animals, dogs. And he, since he was very young, when he was about 3 or 4 years old, he was the one who started to talk very quickly. As I'll repeat myself, he was not talking about the first time, but he understood what had a mother. And he drew a picture. A this mother, but he didn't draw a picture like a human woman. a dog, a dog, a color coffee with a little bit of a and said that it was her mother. So that was a lot of attention because, a ver taking the topic of people past lives it supposed to are people who believe that we can reincarnate in dogs in animals Well, it seems, I mean, I said, it seems, that this child gave a sense that in our lives he was a dog, and that his mother, evidently, also was a dog, a cat, with a manchita in the eye. And he said, Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom. and he had sounds like a dog. So he said, my brother has always been very strange, maestro, very strange. He said, my parents, all this is what he told his brother Ismael, to the maestro, he said, they were not going to leave him in school for a year more. He said, because he was killed his friends in the kindergarten. He was killed. And he said, and he said, he was not going to be a long time, because in first grade he continued to bite his companions. I'll repeat, he played with them. The game was that Juan had to persevere them, running like animals, and the children were laughing, playing the game of the lobo. The lobo is there, and he came running, he said, at four feet, behind the children, and all laughing, thinking that it was a game. But for Juan it was something different, it was something more real, it was something more profound. So this teacher started to have more attention and more attention to this little kid that constantly started acting strange. In a time, he said that he calls her because there was a child that was shouting desperately. The teacher came to him and saw that Juan was on him and he was mording. In that moment, they take him to the direction, he said, I talked to him and he said, I said, Juan, why did you bite your friend? And he said that he didn't talk, but he had a lot of this movement. He said that he had a lot of movement. to buffaba mucho no entonces mandan hablarle a su mamá dice llega su mamá con su abuela que por cierto dice yo no sabía su abuela era conocida en el pueblo por ser curandera entonces llega su mamá y llega su abuela les explico lo que pasó y dice yo solamente escucho cuando su abuela le dice a su mamá ya ves te dije pero tú no me dejas curarlo tú no me dejas y dice que la maestra estaba escuchando y dice, ¿curarlo de qué? No maestra, usted no lo va a entender. Pero ya le dije a esta mujer que me deje curarlo. Eso es una maldición. Dice que la señora le decía todo eso. Dice que se llevan al niño, lo suspenden por dos días, pero pasaron los dos días, pasaron tres días, cuatro días, cinco días, y Juan no regresaba. No regresaba a la escuela y la maestra pues dice que está pasando. Ella verifica si su hermano de quinto grado, Ismael estaba, él seguía yendo a la escuela y habla y dice, oye, tu hermano cómo está, porque no ha venido a la escuela, ya pasaron los días que le dimos, por qué no viene y dice que él no quería hablar y estaba como callado, dijo maestra, es que no, no sé si pueda hablar de esto, no, pues dime, porque me preocupa o voy a tu casa, hablo con tu mamá y dice, le voy a decir maestro dice mi abuela intentó curar a mi hermano y este niño de quinto grado empezó a contarle dice yo vi dice maestra como mi hermano empezó a ladrar y mi abuela le empezaba lo empezaba a curar con hierbas y todo esto y dice que su hermano empezó a vomitar dice como bolas como de pelo como de like a cat, and the child still was still laughing, grunting and putting on his four extremities, until the grandmother managed, I don't know if it was called it, but he managed to liberate it. She said, but my grandmother was wrong because he was hurt the arm. The lady, I said, she was lastimated after all this, and my brother is recovering. She says that she is recovering. He said that next week This child is back to me And this teacher Me said, Paco, this is something That I have been able to do with my years I have been able to understand I don't know what they did with him But this child is being Another Completely He learned to read, he ended up studying Sabiendo reading, he was able to read He was able to speak He was able to speak He was able to speak, he was able to speak ya no era un niño que medio hablaba pronunciaba bien sus palabras ese niño tenía algo no me no me quise enterar más la familia no me contó nada más yo me quedé con lo único que mi alumno me había dicho que la abuela hizo algo ya no volvía a saber más ella piensa en todo esto que es un tema pues de posesión no sé Oscar si tú en algún momento, eso se ve mucho en algunas iglesias gente que cuando los están liberando actúan como animales, me ha tocado, a mí me tocó ver gente que hacía como serpientes me tocó precisamente en una misa de sanación, una misa católica de personas que cuando van acercando la Santa Eucaristía estas personas empiezan a sacar la lengua y empiezan a asisear como si fueran serpientes y cuando el sacerdote o el pastor los está liberando empiezan ellos a hacer movimientos animales. Me ha tocado a mí lo que me ha tocado ver serpientes, o sea, personas que hacen como serpientes y personas que hacen como toros, hacen como el... O sea, como que se llenan de ira. O sea, no sé si este caso vaya en relación a este caso que acabo de contar, pero se me hace muy interesante. La primera vez que yo vi algo de esto, de este indicio, yo tenía como unos 10 años tal vez, 8 años. For those who don't know, I grew up in a Christian home. I'm not sure. Unfortunately. No, in serious. I lived a long time in the church. And this thing I saw, I really impressed. I remember how I was dressed the girl who acted this way. Well, no, it was the manifestation that was happening. and it was this topic, this climax where people were very emotional by what they were experiencing. Some call it administration, others call it the presence of God, etc. And at that moment I was in the area where they had all the children, I was in the school. And I was not sure why I was going to church, to the temple, and the people were crying, they were in this kind of trance, let's call it so. And of course I saw a corner and saw a girl crying, but was in a state of much friction, I don't know how to describe it at that moment. She had her mouth open and in that moment her tongue came out and she was like, like a serpent. So she came to the bottom of the barbilla. And I'm looking at that. There's a guy who takes a girl and grabs me and says, what's up here? Salte. And I said, but she said, no, no make you case. And she said, she spoke to one of the teachers in the school. And she said, hey, why don't you let that child? We're in another very strong topic. So, I said, I said, I remember that I saw this girl like this. She said, yes, she was acting like that. She said, she's like, just like you said. is that if I have to go to see you or me took to see you just because it changes, or I can say they transform because it is a lie, but but their factions and abilities with their physical physical change, for example this ability to make the language more large than normal what the talking about Daniel with his friend Mau, how the eyes take this characteristic felina, or these things se hacen presentes en el cuerpo humano cuando están siendo liberadas de estos tipos de espíritus y es un tema fuertísimo hermano yo voy a contar una historia que se llama en dirección opuesta así le puse y esta historia la manda Adrián Adrián menciona que habían estado buscando la manera de salir de la casa donde vivían antes porque pues ya les quedaba muy pequeña eran tres hermanos They had a mascot, a rottweiler named Tyson. And then, the father decided to change the house. They were finishing changing. He said he lived in the house next to the corner. When he arrived, the man was in the corner of the front. The house of the corner, the neighbors of them were empty. And he said that this man was a man that was barriendo the banquet. Que se presentó como Don Guillén. Y ya, bienvenidos muchachos. Dice que era un señor como de unos 55, 60 años aproximadamente. Y ya terminaron de bajar las cosas. Metieron a Tyson al portón, ya sabes. Y dice que Tyson era muy brusco. Aparte el momento de adaptarse a un nuevo vecindario. Dice que el perro tenía mucha energía. Y ocurría lo que ocurre demasiadas veces aquí en México. Que pasas afuera de la casa del perro. y se te avienta con el portón y lo sacude. Y pues dice Adrián que Tyson hacía regularmente esto con la gente del bar a pesar de que él no era agresivo. Y bueno, dice que la segunda impresión que tuvieron fue un tanto extraña. Porque justamente al lado de la casa de Funky Jen vivía un señor. Un señor llamado Hugo. and it says that it was a house totally opposed to the of Don Guillén. It says that the house of Don Guillén had a bar, it was painted, it was painted in black. And on the other side, in the house of Don Hugo, it didn't even have a port. It says that everything was pulled, that there was a lot of dirt, the hierby was high. And the Lord says that it had a little different aspect. It says that it had long hair, so kind, and that seemed to be very careful, like it seemed to be bathed practically. And that many neighbors tried to avoid a Don Hugo. Apart from the Lord, he said that he was very, very reserved, like he also avoided all the neighbors. He said, Adrian, that they changed in summer, because everything was going on. And of course, his mom said, this is the man, my mom, is the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, the man, The father said, he's just judging people, you don't know them. No, he's really, he's just a little strange with him. And then he goes, he says, Adrian, that he, in a moment, heard a maullido. But he said that he was not an animal, he was trying to imitate a cat. And he said, he said, his room was above, he was just in the street. He says, no, no there is nothing. But what is it? What is happening? And he tells a one of his brothers. He says, no, you have noticed that someone later mayhem in the night. And he says to his brother, the one who follows him. He says, yes, he comes from there from the corner. From there from the house of the old loco. No, I'm not sure. He says, it's strange. And he says that when they started these maudits, maudits, they said that Tyson was going crazy. He goes, months and says that like September more or less there was a kind of a bunch of without wanting to leave us for here and says that in that bunch there was no Don Hugo and someone said take care of your pets because it's coming October and they start desaparecing, especially the cats and says Adrian that his dad came and told him, listen no tenemos gatitos, pero nos contaron esto, esto, esto. Y si por qué será, y ya dice que su mamá, es que pues a veces hacen rituales con algunos animalitos y varios vecinos de la calle pues tienen sus gatitos, entonces quieren evitar alguna tragedia, porque con anterioridad ya había sucedido este tema. De pronto las personas de la otra calle empezaban a reportar que sus animales habían desaparecido y ya no volvían a casa. Dice que una vez le llamó mucho la atención Que de las pocas veces que salió Don Hugo a la calle Dice que Tyson estaba ladre y ladre Y se aventaba hacia el portón Dice Adrián que él estaba en la puerta Justamente en la entrada de su casa Y que estaba Don Hugo como tratando de limpiar su patio Y dice que le llamaba mucho la atención Porque el señor serio Se cruza la calle and he just arrived at the port where Tyson was. But he says that Tyson he starts to show his teeth. And he's like, yeah, Tyson, calm down. And he says that the Lord started to cry. And I imagine that it's like a laugh, because he says that it's a laugh quite strange. I imagine that it's like the laugh of Josué. He says that he starts to cry. And he's like, he's like, he's like, and he says, tranquilo, gordito, no va a pasar nada. y dice que el perro bajó las orejas y de pronto empezó a mover la culita. Y él se quedó impresionado porque de por sí estos perros, estas razas son muy imponentes. Y luego que te empiezan a enseñar los dientes y ya lo acaricia y le dice, muchacho, cuida mucho a tu perro. Este perro es muy valioso. Y a él le dio miedo. Ya dice que se regresa a Don Hugo y ya le cuenta a sus papás. Y dice, oye, este señor metió la mano acá y este, o sea, si es amigable con los que conoce, pero es muy extraño que un perro con esta alteración de pronto se ponga sumiso e incluso juguetón. Claro. Y ya pasó, dice que en una noche volvió a escuchar otra vez estos maullidos y le dice a uno de sus hermanos, oye, ahí está, otra vez. Y dice que su hermano, el de en medio igual, ahí de chismosos, abre la cortina y dice que entre la barda, prácticamente, in the bar where they were the house of Don Hugo in front and the house of Don Guillén they said that they saw a person a person of age of age they saw a man and they said that they were sitting like in four patties like the gats practically when they were in the bar and they said that they had a kind of mask like if they were a gator and they said, what is that? I think it was the guy who was crazy the guy who was in the car the guy who was in the car and he says, his father he says, hey, there's a man there outside that's in the bar of these two men and he's got mauling and the man is levant and he says, no there's no one, they're crazy they're crazy, they're crazy and they're crazy he says, that the other day the police arrived he says, they woke up because the neighbors had reported just that they had seen a person disguised as a gator this happened in mid-end October and the people were all altered and they were saying no, the man is that the man is that the man is taking the animals again and then the man said that he was in his house and the people said let's go and he said no, I'm going to go because they're accusing me of something that I don't do and it's that you've been since the year last year have been killed practically the animals and he started to be a rei they said they didn't idea de lo que estoy haciendo. Y ya pues la policía como no tenía una orden, tampoco podía entrar. Bueno, pasan estos días y justamente en la calle donde vivía Adrián, dice que se perdieron dos gatos. Y no los encontraba y empezaban los vecinos a poner sus estampas, porque para esto no había todavía las redes sociales como existen hoy en día. Y dice que los vecinos estaban muy molestos y fueron a tocarle a la casa de este señor, de Don Hugo, y danos a nuestro gato. Dice, es que yo no tengo nada. Dice, ustedes me están acusando todo el tiempo y yo no hago estas cosas. A ver, ¿por qué no revisan la casa de al lado? Y dice que los vecinos empezaron a reír. Ahí estaban los papás de Adrián y Adrián. Y le dice, señor, revisa aquí al lado, porque todo el tiempo me estás diciendo a mí. Y dicen que los vecinos mencionaron, pero si en la casa de al lado no hay nadie. Y dice Adrián que su papá le dice, ¿cómo que no hay nadie? and when we arrived there was Don Guillén. And that's the neighbor's neighbor. He says, Don Guillén? He says, yes, we arrived. A guy, a black, a cicado, we showed him, he said, he said, Don Guillén, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, but he's been gone for a long time, and we still have to go with us. Well, to not make it more long, the story, the time begins to pass and comes back to this part of the smell of feo. terminan entrando a la casa de Don Guillén y resulta que había un montón de gatitos desvividos. Esto lo encuentran el 1 de noviembre. Dice que había un montón de gatos y ahí estaban los dos gatos de los vecinos que se habían perdido y había otros tantos más. Resulta que en la casa de Don Guillén llegaban unas personas. no se sabe si eran de la familia de Don Guillén pero que ahí hacían rituales terminaban de sacrificar a los animalitos en estas fechas y los vecinos pensaban que era Don Hugo Don Hugo era una persona que estaba ahí que simplemente no tenía nada que ver con esto y que a él le terminaban gustando los animales pero que no se le acercaban o no lo dejaban los vecinos porque pensaban que él era el que terminaba desviviendo a todas estas criaturas inocentes No manches. Y al final, pues, no dieron con quién o quiénes eran los que estaban haciendo estos rituales, porque al final también es un tema ilegal estar desviviendo a estos hijos. Siempre lo hablamos cuando se acercan a esas fechas, ¿no? Cuiden mucho a sus gatos, sobre todo a sus perritos en estas fechas, porque hay gente, pues, malita aquí que aprovecha esas fechas para hacer estos, pues, sacrificios, ¿no? ¿Qué episodio? La verdad, ¿qué episodio? Estoy seguro de algo. Mucha gente no se esperaba lo que íbamos a hablar porque algunos se dejaron guiar por el título. De verdad. O sea, nosotros vemos este tema que hoy por hoy es tendencia como un tema que lo mencioné en un principio, que no es de ahorita. Es un tema de antaño, es un tema de hace muchos años, incluso hasta bíblicos. Y es un tema que siempre ha estado presente en el mundo espiritual con las personas que sienten que está su contraparte animal. su animal espiritual todo este tema que está en místico, hoy por hoy muchos desgraciadamente lo están conociendo de una mala manera porque les causa risa porque hay memes porque ven tutoriales de cómo ladrar o sea digo, es la verdad pero es un tema que ha existido desde hace mucho tiempo y que ha estado presente en religiones, en culturas, creencias en todo esto y que es fascinante porque hoy por hoy son temas que siguen ocurriendo y que nosotros vamos a estar aquí para tener todas esas historias. ¿Cómo te la pasaste, Óscar? Muy bien, siempre es grato estar aquí platicando contigo de las historias de la familia X. Qué buen episodio. Familia, por favor, antes de irte, no olvides, te lo pido encarecidamente, hoy por hoy ya llegamos a los 2 millones. Ayúdanos a llegar a los próximos números, no sé, tal vez la meta sean los 10 millones. Imagínate, ¿no? Qué increíble sería llegar a ese número, por favor no te vayas sin antes dejar tu like, suscribirte. Oscar, antes de irnos, redes sociales. Oscar Herbert en todos lados, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Reds, Twitter, que tengo Twitter, y obviamente en las plataformas de ese regalan sustos, ahí estamos. No se pierdan, porque hablamos del lado oculto de los Terians, que debe salir mañana, martes, entonces no se lo pierdan, porque va a estar buenísimo, los casos que tenemos están impresionantes, y recuerda que Oscar ha conservado una historia prohibida, that no will be here if you want to listen to it and it has to do with a very strong topic I'll see you in our website www.podcastextranormal.com.mx All right, I'll see you. If you're not here, I'll see you. My name is Paco Arias and we'll see you later. See you later. Ciao. And she says that in some moment this chavo of a sudden he says, oye, you know, you would like to experiment a and she says, well, I mean, it's not a bad thing. And she says, yes, but it's not going to be with a person. It's going to be with a . You realize what's happening? A animal is suffering, crying pain, and it's when you realize that this bastard is abusating of the Xochitl. He said that he was so upset and he said that he was too much. The detail of this is that the animal instinctively didn't say no. He gave no only to that he was a bitch, but he also ate the meat. They ate the meat. They ate the meat and ate the meat. because they just said this that you mentioned earlier. The blood of these boys and the terniculus said that it was vital for them.